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Heading back to Canada

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 23, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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After taking five of seven at home, the Yankees are back on the road this week, making their first trip to Canada since the first weekend of June.

That was back when Toronto was still one of the surprisingly good teams in baseball. Alex Rodriguez was hurt on that trip, Chad Gaudin allowed a walk-off single and the Yankees lost two of three.

At this point, the Blue Jays have fallen off, but their pitching can still cause problems. The Yankees have to face Brett Cecil and Brandon Morrow on this trip. Those two combined for 15 IP, 9 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB and 13 K the last time the Yankees were in Toronto.

Some things to keep in mind.

• The Yankees beat up on Morrow the past two times they faced him in New York, but they got only one win out of it.

• Cecil has pitched very well against the Yankees twice this year, but this team has gotten much better against lefties. Austin Kearns is making a big difference, and when Cecil last pitched at Yankee Stadium, it was while Marcus Thames was on the disabled list.

• Ivan Nova could give the Yankees some rotation options for the final month of the season, and he might give them something to think about for next year. When I’ve seen him, Nova’s been at his best when he’s keeping the ball on the ground. That would certainly be true against a home run hitting team like the Blue Jays.

• Just a guess, but there’s a chance you’ll see both Ramiro Pena and Eduardo Nunez in the same lineup this series. Might be good to give Derek Jeter at least a DH day on that turf.

Associated Press photo of Nick Swisher

 
 

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158 Responses to “Heading back to Canada”

  1. Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Actually, I think the Jays are 20-13 since the ASB, so they haven’t fallen off. They’re still a dangerous team………and they play the Yankees awfully tough.

  2. Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Great picture of Swish. :)

    I’m looking forward to seeing Nova tonight. And I’m very excited that I actually get the YES feed.

  3. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Hopefully the luck of never seeing a pitcher before affects the Blue Jays.

  4. Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 am

    KPB, good morning!

    I think Phil’s blog was pretty unusual because he really conversed with his fans and, frankly, came off as a normal 21-22 year old. He really appreciates his fans and you can tell that from reading his blog; he’s easy to root for.

  5. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Betsy

    Good morning. Thanks for the link last night. I spent about an hour looking over it so far. I find it fascinating to hear about the players and what they do outside of baseball from their own mouth.

  6. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Betsy

    sorry for the re post. You were too quick for me.

  7. upstate kate August 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    I loved Phil’s blog, actually that is what lead me here. Its too bad some so called fans made so many nasty comments when he was struggling.

  8. upstate kate August 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    and hopefully the Jays are tired today, as they had to wait out the rain delay at fenway

  9. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Morning Kate. Don’t spoil it for me I haven’t gotten that far yet. lol. Also, sorry you saw a bad game. It sounds like we need to send Betsy, she brought good luck.

  10. blake August 23rd, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Kate,

    From the last thread. Yea I think he probably had the opt out clause put in there just in case things went terribly wrong in NY and either he or his family didn’t like it. Its a smart move really.

  11. Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Kate, I do remember some of those comments – most of the fans were great, but those that killed the kid on his own blog, while he was trying to do something nice for them, were seriously pathetic. He started that particular blog in 2008 – too bad that year turned into a lost year for him.

  12. Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Brian Heyman killed Mosely in his article, lol – what did he expect from him? He’s been fine.

  13. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    I see the mellow morning crowd is here. Greetings.

    Hoping SuperNova burns as bright as a thousand Suns tonite.

  14. Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Ok, later!

  15. upstate kate August 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 am

    we had a good time at the game despite the loss. We got to see a great pitcher, too bad he was pitching for Seattle. We took my mother in law to her first game, and she had a great time, altho she wanted AJ taken out in the first inning :)

  16. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Betsy -

    I don’t want them to bring Montero up at all, except to sit around and take it in, maybe.

    But if Collins covers Trenton, and Montero hasn’t been in Trenton all year, do you really trust him to be up to date on all things Montero? I’d rather talk to the guy who’s been covering SWB. :)

    I used to visit Phil’s blog all the time. I guess he learned quickly it’s not healthy to put yourself out there, open to all the nut-jobs of the world. It’s too bad – he’s a good kid and he was having fun with it. Some people are just plain old mean.

  17. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Betsy

    Do you know of any other players blog? One that i like is Morgan Ensberg’s . He tells stories of his playing days and other things going on in baseball. It’s pretty amusing at times as well.

    http://morganensberg.wordpress.com/

  18. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Morning MTU, here are the non hike pics I promised you, enjoy!!!

    http://picasaweb.google.com/10.....tOmz-f4WQ#

  19. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    upstate kate -

    Glad you had a good time at the game. I don’t think your MIL was the only one with that sentiment about AJ. :)

  20. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Doreen

    I know I’m late on this, but welcome back. Glad you had a good time and made it back safely.

  21. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 8:51 am

    KPB -

    Thanks!

    I’m still editing photographs. I took over 800. A lot of them were just shots out of the car window along the PCH, and I took a lot of the gardens at the Hearst Castle.

    I can’t believe we’re back now as long as we were away this month. :lol:

  22. SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Donnie Collins is the Scranton beat writer.

    Mike Ashmore is the Trenton beat writer.

  23. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 am

    SJ44 -

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    In that case, he’s probably got some credibility. ;)

  24. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Doreen

    Don’t forget to post some of them when your through editing. And remember to always be cautious with the digital co pilot. :lol: This is my first time trying to do an emoticon, if it doesn’t work it’s supposed to be a laughing face.

  25. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    JCPD-

    The photos are spectacular. Been some of those places but not the Russian stuff. Great architecture and natural beauty. A million thnaks for sharing.

    Here’s my paltry contribution for today.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....Hd146l5wE#

    :)

  26. Howe Farr August 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    SJ, did you see deadspin this morning, they leaked the financial statements of various teams, including the Pirates 2007-2008.

    http://deadspin.com/5615096/ml.....see-part-1

    Someone is going to lose thier job over this…

  27. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    MTU, you’re contributions are never paltry. I wish digital existed when I was in Bangkok. But that was back in 92 for my brothers wedding.

  28. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    MTU

    Where were pictures 10 and 11 taken? That’s the kind of water i was talking about earlier. Being since I only have brown water around me ( bayous and gulf of mexico ), I find blue and other light color water fascinating.

  29. SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 am

    I did see that.

    As I have been saying for years on here, these small market teams are pocketing a ton of money and not sufficiently re-investing into their teams.

    Its why when owners like Mark Attanesio of the Brewers cry about the Yankees spending, they should be ignored.

    Its also why the Yankees aren’t going to have a 240 million dollar payroll, even though they can afford it.

    At some point, there is no reason to further fund your competitors through excessive luxury tax payments. Let them fend for themselves.

  30. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 am

    JCPD-

    I completely understand how you feel. I am still trying to digitize shots of some of the places we’ve been.

    KPB-

    At the entrance to “james bond” island off the coast of Thailand, and other spots.

    One of those photos depicts the location for DiCaprio’s early movie
    “The Beach”.

  31. Tom in N.J. August 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 am

    The Pirates had a net income of over 14 million in ’08 an 15 million in ’07?

    How much in revenue sharing did they get in those years?

  32. Howe Farr August 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 am

    “Its also why the Yankees aren?t going to have a 240 million dollar payroll, even though they can afford it.

    At some point, there is no reason to further fund your competitors through excessive luxury tax payments. Let them fend for themselves.”

    Great point, i never thought of it that way. The yankee budget limit is not dictated by the amount of resource they have, but by the amount of resource they have to give away to small market teams.

  33. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 am

    KPB-

    Since I know you’re curious.

    It is called “James Bond” island because it was also one of the locations for the movie “The Man with the Golden Gun”. :)

  34. Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 9:15 am

    MTU-beautiful pictures! :)

  35. Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Morning Yankee people,

    I can’t remember the last time I was so excited to see a AAA guy start a game.. maybe back when Phil was coming up? I really want to see how Nova does tonight, I don’t expect Cy Young, but it’d be nice to see the kid hold his own out there.

    Anyone know what his best pitches are? I’m a little behind on the scouting reports lol

  36. CountryClub August 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Glad to see Nova getting a chance. Just wish his first game wasn’t against the Jays. Hopefully he surprises tonight.

  37. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am

    MTU

    I didn’t give you permission to read my mind. :smile: But, I was wondering.

  38. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Erin-

    Thanks. My pleasure. Not a bad place to hang out, huh ? :)

  39. Tom in N.J. August 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 am

    From the AP:

    the Pirates got $39,046,312 from Revenue sharing in 2008 and $30,302,652 in ’07….

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5484947

  40. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 am

    CC-

    I’m with you. Wish he started off with an easier opponent but them’s the breaks.

  41. Howe Farr August 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 am

    sad, sad, sad:

    “If they won and were forced to increase their payroll from $34 million to $75 million or $80 million … how profitable would they be?” Berri said. “There’s a ceiling in terms of gate revenues.”

    Economist Roger Noll, a Stanford University economist, said: “Probably the Pirates would be less profitable if they tried to improve the team substantially.”

  42. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 am

    KPB-

    I just happened to have my DMR turned on.;)

  43. CountryClub August 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 am

    MTU,

    Like Chad said, he’s a groundball pitcher. So hopefully he keeps the ball out of the air.

  44. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 9:22 am

    KPB -

    You got the laughing face – but what is a digital co-pilot? Sorry for my ignorance. :?

  45. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 am

    CC-

    Let’s hope so. :)

  46. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Wait a second MTU, the whining around here was that Bucholz could only beat the Orioles and Jays…. so it really shouldn’t be a problem that his first start is the Jays. :-)

  47. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 am

    MTU

    Since you were forgiving about the DMs last night, I’ll still bring crawfish instead of voodoo.

  48. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Howe Farr -

    Hah! Basically, that’s the plot of the movie/broadway musical “The Producers.” Make more money by creating a flop. :(

  49. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Doreen

    No problem, I was “eavesdropping” when you were talking about your GPS.

  50. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 am

    JCPD-

    You might just have point there. :)

    KPB-

    That’s the ticket. Crawfish for diner and VooDoo for the Rays and Sux.

  51. Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 am

    ..And that Deadspin article is awful, but I gotta ask – Is this really news?! Who DIDN’T know most owners could care less about producing a winner/loser as long as the profits are the same? Can’t wait to hear sports radio hosts yelling about this..

  52. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 am

    KPB -

    Oh, okay. I get it. :)

  53. KPB August 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    MTU

    It might work on the Rays, but Boston has some powerful stuff of their own. Between Paps pucker and Youks mug it would be a hell of a battle.

  54. Howe Farr August 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Shame,
    I think it’s news when a common assumption is proven, in this case, by financial docs. I can see this changing the face baseball does business…

  55. CountryClub August 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Is it breaking news? no. But it confirms what the fans of the Yankees, Sox, mets, etc… have screaming about for years. Everyone bitches about the payroll of the large market teams, yet they don’t seem to mind when those same large market teams are basically paying the salaries of their teams. The Pirates payroll in 2008 was 51 mil and they got 39 mil! in revenue sharing. That’s just weak.

  56. Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Thats true guys, I never thought about it in terms of there never being actual financial records proving this. You gotta wonder, between the roids and the revenue, how is it that Bud is still in charge? I mean, I guess its always been the players association thats actually been in charge of this runaway train, but geez.. some accountability?

  57. pat August 23rd, 2010 at 9:38 am

    “At some point, there is no reason to further fund your competitors through excessive luxury tax payments. Let them fend for themselves.?

    Luxury tax money is not split with the clubs, it’s the revenue sharing money that is.

    Luxury tax money goes to the MLB central fund to pay for player benefits, MLB sponsored charities and developing baseball in other countries.

  58. Yankee Trader August 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 am

    this article will help explain the luxury tax:

    http://www.bizofbaseball.com/i.....;Itemid=42

  59. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 am

    JCPD Your comment is awaiting moderation. August 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Can anyone tell me what it means by my comment is awaiting moderation?

  60. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 am

    JCPD Your comment is awaiting moderation. August 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Can anyone tell me what it means by my comment is awaiting moderation?

  61. 86w183 August 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Revenue sharing contributions go to other teams, but luxury tax dollars are kept by MLB to fund things like inner city initiates, national and international marketing, start up costs for MLB Network and so forth.

    It’s erroneous to claim the payroll tax goes directly to other teams. Eventually, to some extent probably so, but not such an amount that it would keep the Yanks from doing anything they really felt like doing.

    This reporting on the Pirates’ profitability is going to increase the call for a minimum payroll floor to keep some owners from pocketing everything they can.

  62. CountryClub August 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Cc Sabathia loves wearing the pinstripes.

    After sailing to his 17th win of the season and delivering another superb outing in yesterday’s 10-0 rain-delayed romp over the Mariners, the Yankees ace told The Post that he won’t “even consider” becoming a free agent after 2011, even though that provision exists in his seven-year, $161 million mega-contract.

    “I’m here,” Sabathia said. “Hundred percent.”

    “I think you know I’ve built a house here, right?” he said. “My kids go to school here. We live here year round. So I’m not going anywhere.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0xR7nZ2BN

  63. upstate kate August 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 am

    weird stat of the day…the Yankees are 12-0 when Alex is not in the line up…just proof of how meaningless stats can be…altho Robbie seems to really like hitting clean up!

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Did anyone SERIOUSLY think CC would leave the Yankees? If so, I’d find a new dealer. You have to be smoking some bad dope!!!

    ******************
    This made me sad. Godspeed Sweet Lou. I’m still hoping that you make your way back to the game.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s.....retirement

    :(

  65. CountryClub August 23rd, 2010 at 9:58 am

    trisha,

    It’s bad business on his end not to opt out. It would be the smart thing to do financially. But it would be impressive of him if he lives up to the deal.

  66. SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 9:58 am

    That’s what I meant. I always mistype revenue sharing vs. luxury tax.

    There will never be a floor for salaries for two reasons:

    1. That’s a precursor to a salary cap and the players will never agree to a salary cap.
    2. The small market teams don’t want a salary floor and will vote against it. Why would they agree to something that undercuts profitability.

    Why does Bud keep his job? Simple. He makes the owners a TON of money and they are his bosses.

    When you make your owners a ton of money, you keep your job.

  67. Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 9:58 am

    upstate kate August 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 am
    weird stat of the day?the Yankees are 12-0 when Alex is not in the line up?just proof of how meaningless stats can be?altho Robbie seems to really like hitting clean up!

    ******************************
    So does this mean they’ll be undefeated for the 15 days he’s out? ;)

  68. upstate kate August 23rd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Erin
    lets hope so!

  69. Erica in NY August 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Trisha-

    I don’t think its necessary to phrase things like that regarding CC. Its not fair to judge people who think CC might consider opting out. When it comes to millions of dollars you don’t know what go through a person’s head. You don’t know who CC is getting advice from.

    We see what he is saying today, as much as I don’t want it to- that could change next year,

    We have all followed enough baseball that when it comes to one’s contract- anything is possible

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Also, a stat that I found kind of surprising. 9 teams currently have winning road records this year and 4 more are right on the borderline. Isn’t usually only the Yanks and Angels (I think it’s the Angels) who typically have winning road records? Maybe it means that steroid useage has finally decreased and home cooking doesn’t look as good as it did in the past. I know that overall league offensive stats are down this season.

  71. 108 stitches August 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Let’s hope the Yankee advance scouts have been watching the Jays closely. That team has been an Achilles heel for too long.

  72. pat August 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 am

    “the Yankees are 12-0 when Alex is not in the line up”

    Technically true and fun for the media to run with but somewhat misleading.

    In 3 losses, he pinch hit late in the game in 1, played the field in the 1st inning and was pulled before getting an AB in another and DHed and was pulled after 1 AB in a third.

  73. austinmac August 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 am

    MTU, I sent you some photos last night. I wish I was there right now.

  74. Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Glad to see Joe getting Nunez in there.

    I agree with Chad that likely Jeter will get a day off this series.

    It’s going to be odd not having Lou Pinella in baseball anymore – though I would imagine he’ll be back.

    For those who missed it; the Yankees sent Billy Eppler and Damon Oppenheimer to Japan to check out Yu Darvish who is likely to be posted this year. It’s all but a given that Cliff Lee is going to be Javy Vazquez’s replacement in the rotation next year, but Darvish would be a nice addition as well if Andy were to also leave.

    I know that Japanese pitchers have been very disappointing in America but check out this kid’s stuff if you haven’t seen it yet:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 am

    “trisha,

    It’s bad business on his end not to opt out. It would be the smart thing to do financially. But it would be impressive of him if he lives up to the deal.”

    I don’t know that there’s a way to easily discern the mercenaries from the heart and soul players but I just don’t see CC as a game player. The Yankees are paying him good money and he’s on the best team in the game. I don’t see him going that route.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Erica, that certainly wasn’t to anyone in particular since I don’t get to read 90 percent of the lohud posts.

    I don’t see CC being of that ilk. That’s my point.

  77. Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Sj – I certainly understand when you line peoples pockets you get ahead.. but oh man, this guy has just about destroyed any credibility the league had.

    I know he isnt really responsible, dont get me wrong, he’s just one guy in a long line of guys who disgraced the sport, but good lord!! When you’re in charge, you’re supposed to suffer some consequences. That’s what I was raised to think anyway, with the spotlight comes the heat. The older I get though, the more I’m sure my parents were just naive fools.

    And agreed a cap floor will never be instituted because you know the next part of that conversation is going to be about a cap ceiling…

  78. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 am

    JCPD-

    Several times when I have posted photos I have received that message. It probably means the filters or blogmasters are checking the content. ;)

    Austin-

    I saw them. Fantastic. Thanks much. I can understand with the heat you must be getting. I also e-mailed you. Is it OK to post your photos here on the Blog for all to enjoy ? Would you like me to do that ?

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am

    And Erica my thought wasn’t based on what CC is saying it’s based on the kind of player and person I think he is. I don’t see him as flighty and just racing for the bucks. When someone leaves a so-so team for a lucrative contract once I see that as good baseball business. When someone has a record of team jumping for money I see that as mercenery. I just think CC is a lot more solid than that and that is my point.

    Time will tell.

  80. Erica in NY August 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Trisha-

    I was just offended at the insinuation that anyone who considers the possibility that CC could opt out was a pothead

  81. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 am

    MTU, so I assume that you can’t see the links I’ve posted?

  82. Howe Farr August 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 am

    now the mariners report has leaked….
    http://deadspin.com/5619509/ml.....e-mariners

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Erica it was a figure of speech. I didn’t mean it literally!

    :)

  84. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am

    JCPD-

    Not if you posted some others since the first group.

  85. Nick in SF August 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 am

    “It’s bad business on his end not to opt out. It would be the smart thing to do financially. But it would be impressive of him if he lives up to the deal.”

    This might just be semantics, but if CC opts out, he’s not failing to live up to the deal; the opt out clause is part of the deal. Whether CC’s agent asked for it or Cashman offered it (I’ve read both here), it’s a legitimate clause in his contract that he’s free to exercise.

    I have no prediction about whether he will or won’t and I don’t really care as long as the end results keeps him in pinstripes, but I fear there will be a lot of conversational angst and silliness to accompany the topic next season.

  86. LGY August 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 am

    That is good to hear from CC, so the Yankees don’t have to worry about it at all or factor it into their future plans.

    I was wrong on that end. I thought CC would use the opt out as leverage to get the Yankees to extend his deal another year or two (I guess under that plan he is not technically opting out)

    Guess I have smoked too much dope in my life ;)

  87. LGY August 23rd, 2010 at 10:24 am

    not technically opting out *though*)

  88. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 10:24 am

    MTU, I posted some at 9:35. It was some video links.

  89. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 am

    We see what he is saying today, as much as I don?t want it to- that could change next year,

    “I am not going to opt out” – A-rod

    “I want to stay with the Yankees” – Damon

    “I am a yankee” – Bernie Williams, before extorting the steinbrenners for 20 million dollars more

    When you’re dealing with this much money, what kind of person you are rarely trumps the business decision. Even with CC’s words there I bet he wrangles an extension out of his opt out. Or opts out.

  90. Joe S formerly of Brooklyn August 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am

    I have to admit, I’m thought CCS might opt “out” when the option year came. I apologize for being a fool (I’ve typed that sentence b4).

    My reasons:

    a. Why put the option IN the contract, unless it was something you might want to use? It’s not like a stock option!

    b. It’s not easy to play in NYC. Fans booed A-Rod (and b4 the steroids thing). Yes, fans made a god out of Paul O’Neill, but CC wasn’t here for that.

    c. What if the NYYs spend a bunch of $ on Cliff Lee, say. Why wouldn’t CCS exercise his right to explore the FA market in 2011? It’s about more than money — for him — I think. But it’s ALSO about money, ain’t it?

    I will be VERY happy to be wrong.

  91. LGY August 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Very good point Erica and Jerkface.

    Better keep CC and his advisors away from the dope over the next year so he doesn’t change his mind.

  92. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 am

    There are also more reasons to opt out than just going to a new team. CC could inform Cashman that he is opting out so they can redo his contract without the players association complaining. Maybe he wants different perks, or a restructured money alignment.

    Won’t know until after next year. But my money is on him staying a Yankee, opting out or not.

  93. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 10:28 am

    JCPD-

    Did not appear. I bet that’s it. The fact that they were video rather than pics. You can send the links to my e-mail if you like but I don’t think you’ll be able to post them here. You can e-mail Chad or Jeff to find out for sure.

  94. SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:28 am

    CC has every right to opt out as Nick states.

    Its in his contract. If he decided to do it, that does not make him a “mercenary”.

    It makes him a guy exercising a right that is contained in his agreement.

    Perhaps a fundamental reason is won’t opt out is, in this economy, its probably not realistic for him to get a better deal than what he will be leaving on the table from the Yankees.

    Especially with another CBA to be negotiated which promises to be a bloodbath.

  95. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:29 am

    I mean come on, we love these players, but we put up this narrative about how nice and awesome they are and when you look at the facts they are almost always shrewd business people (or their agent is).

    Tex and CC both talk about how they love coming to NY and how great the team is and they are so happy but both were offered RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY. Its not like they took a discount to be here!

  96. pat August 23rd, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Mercenary- working or acting merely for money or other reward.

    That describes 99% of the people on the Subway heading to work this morning, no?

  97. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 am

    CC opting out could really depend on the type of money Cliff Lee gets.

  98. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 10:32 am

    I with Nick on CC opting out. I really don’t care if does as long as winds up back in the PS.

  99. LGY August 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 am

    “When someone has a record of team jumping for money I see that as mercenery. I just think CC is a lot more solid than that and that is my point.”

    ——————————————–

    Why does it make him more “solid” to not opt out?

    Shouldn’t he do what is best for his family?

    Especially when the fans of the team that he is supposed to be so loyal to will turn on him in a second if he starts to pitch poorly?

  100. CountryClub August 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Won’t know until after next year. But my money is on him staying a Yankee, opting out or not.

    ——————–

    That’s the thing though, I agree that if opts out he’ll end up coming back to NY. But as a fan, I don’t want to see him opt out of a 4 yr deal so he can sign another 7 yr deal at more money. The CC that pitches in 2015 (the last yr of his current deal) will most likely not be the same pitcher we see today. So I definitely don’t want to see the Yanks paying him 20 mil a yr in 2016 and 2017 too.

  101. Nick in SF August 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am

    CC has already opted in — to my heart.

  102. LGY August 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Is CC not “solid” or a “mercenary” if he approaches Cashman with his impeding opt out and gets him to extend his deal?

    Do you only become this unsolid mercenary if you actually opt out?

  103. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 10:35 am

    “As he”. typo. sorry.

  104. SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    The opt out clause was a requirement CC had with all the teams he negotiated with during free agency.

    It was not specifically a “Yankee Clause”. It was going to be contained in any deal he did.

    Why? Flexibility and the fact he could get it in a deal because he was so highly sought.

    Its actually smart on his part.

    What if he and his family didn’t like NY? What if he didn’t like the way the team was run?

    What if he could make a pile of money somewhere else. If the economy didn’t crash, that option was probably more available to him than it is now.

    It was a no lose clause for him. Since its his opt out and not the teams, if he went all Carl Pavano on the Yankees, he was still getting all of his money.

    He had nothing to lose, and everything to gain by putting the clause in his deal.

  105. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    AJ Burnett could become a reverse unsolid mercanary if he opted out to spare the Yankee fans.

  106. pat August 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “CC has already opted in ? to my heart.”

    And yet you offer no tributes to him other than an ocasional trip to Vallejo.

  107. JCPD August 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 am

    MTU, sent them to both your e-mails…… off to work for me

  108. Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Best comment from the Mariners Financial Docs:

    WhatWouldTebowDo? 10:26 AM

    Yeah, that whole “confidential” thing is just a suggestion.

    -Scooter Libby Reply

  109. MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    AJ can be very valuable in helping to recruit Lee. After all, they both speak “hillbilly”.

    AJ could help smooth Cliff’s transition into the Pinstripes by guaranteeing to show CL all the best fishin’ holes in NYS, and by helpin him navigate the streets in his Lhamborgini. Oops. I meant Dodge Charger.

  110. Nat August 23rd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    I love LeBatard and this another one he hits out the park.

    We, the sports media, are now covered in the same judgmental and knee-jerk way we too often cover famous sports stars who step in it. And it is Twitter and blogs – the fan’s voice, in other words – who have forced that justice upon us because the media doesn’t police itself with quite the same zeal with which we police others in sports. The arena we cover is the ultimate meritocracy, but what has befallen Mariotti feels a lot like democracy at work, even as it stings and it sucks.

    Doesn’t feel so good to be judged with the same scorching spotlight with which we judge athletes, does it? I wouldn’t like people celebrating/rejoicing something that brings harm and shame to me, my career and my family. But the marketplace always wins, and the marketplace wishes to gossip about this cruel and dirty stuff. And because we in the sportstainment empire spend so much time trafficking in disgrace, making sport of others being the newest sport, we can’t be too surprised or hurt when the baby we birthed grows up into an unruly and unholy Frankenstein monster who kicks our ass publicly, too. We invented this beast, fed this beast, nurtured this beast, profited off this beast – and now we’re going to notice that the beast’s fangs are too sharp only when it bites us back?

    http://thebiglead.com/index.ph.....more-58450

  111. champ809 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Kudos to the System

    Nice work by Bettances and Banuelos getting promoted to the first place AA Trenton team in time for a heated pennant race and hopefully a AA championship season.
    A rotation of Bettances, Banuelos, Brackman, Noesi and Warren is killer! and shows just how much young talent the Yanks have in the system.

    And a shout out to the recently promoted to Scranton D.J. Mitchell who’s really been dealing the last 6 weeks on a well earned under the radar quick ascension through the system. Hopefully he can stay on the Nova path and help the Scranton squad get back into the title game and be victorious this year. The 1st place Scranton team is in my opinion an arm short but that depends on how long Nova- their staff ace- stays up and the health of Hirsch.

  112. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 am

    pat, you seem to have some kind of retort to so many of the things I say. Isn’t it just easier for you to just put up some kind of standing “I disagree with everything you stand for” post and be done with it?

    ************************
    I want to amend my comment regarding CC. I really meant that I didn’t think he would ever leave the Yankees. So if he uses his opt out and stays with the Yankees that’s certainly a possibility.

    I will guess he won’t do it that way and he doesn’t use the opt out but that’s just a guess.

    My comment about smoking bad dope will stand for anyone who thinks he will use the opt out to leave the Yankees.

    Apologies for my misunderstanding the intent of those who felt he would still be a Yankee – not that I know who you are because I don’t get to read most of the posts here.

    Have a good day all!

  113. Nick in SF August 23rd, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Not true!

    When I found out (here) that CC and my mom share the same birthday, I wrote “Dear Mom and CC” on the card I gave her.

    And I posted a picture of the fild he donated to the NVLL:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....546126400/

  114. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:52 am

    For someone who participates in a comment section of a blog, someone here appears to not read anyones posts. I don’t know who they are because I also do not read their posts.

    The only teams that could afford CC are the Angels, Mets, Cubs, and Red Sox. CC might be able to wrangle 25 mil a year or 27 mil a year if he got in an open bidding war. So basically, is opting out worth 15-25 million more?

  115. RayVT August 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Hello Trisha! No way does CC opt out of the Yankees! They won’t let him!

  116. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 am

    It is folly to equate a player’s “heart” and love of the game with the business side of it.

  117. raymagnetic August 23rd, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Most people do not smoke dope anyway, they inject it!

    Marijuana is not dope.

    Dopamine – Dope – Heroin.

    Carry on!

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 am

    “For someone who participates in a comment section of a blog, someone here appears to not read anyones posts. I don’t know who they are because I also do not read their posts”

    Some of us have real lives away from the forum jerkface. I’m someone who does a lot of drive-bys, where I read a few posts near the bottom of the thread where I am going to comment or I read the lead in. When I spend more time here posting I get to read more of the posts.

    But thanks for playing!

  119. Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am

    I think CC will wait and see what Cliff Lee gets.

    If Lee gets more money per year than CC, I think CC opts out. The logic is simple, if the Yankees have the money to give Cliff Lee 24 mil per year then they can give me a 2 mil a year bump to 25 mil per.

    And the national economy really has nothing to do with baseball contracts. A player can be signed to a 4 year 100 mil contract, it doesn’t mean he gets 25 mil each year; it can be negotiated so that he gets 20 mil in year 1 and 30 mil in year 4….So if the Yankee budget already has CC at 23 mil per year they can keep the actual money there, but bump the AAV up to 25 mil per year by backloading the deal or deferring payments.

  120. Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 am

    I am going to open GTLU early today. I have to run out. I’ll be back before it closes.

    Today’s GTLU is Open for Business

    Lineups will be accepted until 3:15 sharp today. I have to travel to White Plains again. Any lineups submitted after 3:15 will not be accepted.

    Good luck and catch you all later!

    :)

  121. Phil in Columbus August 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Unless CC has a problem with playing for the Yanks or where he is living, why would he opt out of his contract? Can’t see anyone paying him more money than he is making right now. He is already the highest paid pitcher in baseball. You never know, but I don’t see CC playing those kind of games witht he Yanks.

  122. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Trisha doesn’t read anyones posts, but she does read pat’s posts enough to tag him as anti-trisha.

  123. 86w183 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Nice that we are in full apoplexy mode about CC opting out 15 months from now!

    I don’t think any pitcher is topping $ 23 M any time soon. If he uses the clause to try and wrangle an extension so be it, but I don’t think he’ll be shopping himself elsewhere.

    CC will be 31 after next season, so a 5-6 year commitment at that stage wouldn’t be unreasonable if he remains the horse he’s been for his entire 10-year career. I’m sure the Yanks intend to have him remain in pinstripes for the rest of his career.

    Mariotti is a sanctimonious blowhard and deserves whatever scorn and criticism comes his way. Just like a lot of holier than thou politicos who get caught with their pants down. Lebatard’s column should have been more focused on the need for critics to make damn sure their own house is in order.

  124. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Unless CC has a problem with playing for the Yanks or where he is living, why would he opt out of his contract?

    To get more money. To get more years on his contract.

  125. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 am

    I really wish she’d just keep driving. :x

  126. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:04 am

    I don?t think any pitcher is topping $ 23 M any time soon.

    What do you think Cliff Lee is going to get? 20 million? Is he only 2 million better than the likes of John Lackey, Josh Beckett, and AJ Burnett?

  127. RayVT August 23rd, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Leave Trisha alone Jerkface! Pat loves to complain about Trisha’s posts!

  128. Nick in SF August 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am

    A Jerkface three-peat. Rare.

  129. West Coast Yankee Fan August 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am

    A little opining. This should be a challenging road stretch to say the least – on the turf in Toronto against a fair impersonation of murderers row who can also pitch and then the Sox in Chicago. While Tampa and Boston most likely beat up Seattle and the hapless Angels.

    Nova, Moseley, Hughes, Burnett, Vasquez – no one is shaking in their cleats at that rotation are they? I predict our bullpen is going to get their innings in this week to say the least. Good news is that they seems straightened out for the most part and Robertson, Woods, Logan and Joba can give you three to four innings good innings. Gaudin and Mitre are a crap shoot every time out but that’s who we have.

    Will need the bottom of the order to contribute in a big way, Kearns, Granderson, Gardner, Cervelli, Peña and Nuñez. I imagine Nurse Girardi is going to be resting everyone but the ball boy on the turf.

    Good luck boys, you’ll need it and first place is on the line.

  130. Phil in Columbus August 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Jerkface

    I don’t think he gets more than the 20 mil Halliday gets, unless he comes to the Yanks. I could see CC getting an extension from the Yanks, can’t see anyone paying him more though. IMO

  131. RayVT August 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 am

    If CC talks with the Yanks about adding another year or two to his contract he could use the opt out clause as leverage. I don’t think he will use it IMO. Plus, I don’t think he will opt out even if he tried to get an extention & the Yanks said no.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 am

    jerkoff, only those that are posted in response to something I say when I am posting. There may be many more that I don’t know about.

    But thanks for playing!

    Now you have the floor to yourself. I’m sure you’ll come up with something malevolent. Have at!

    **************

    Good day everyone. It’s supposed to be a very rainy week. Good thing Rogers Centre has a roof!

    :)

  133. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Do I really have the floor to myself? Or will you be lurking about as usual despite saying you’ve left because you desperately want to get final words in on everything?

  134. Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I know it was a blowout yesterday but I have a question:

    Why is Jorge Posada an idiot sometimes?

    That play at the plate, the ball was there, Posada was in position, why would he do something dumb like potentially cost the Yankees a run by putting the ball in his opposite hand rather than tagging the runner with it like he’s supposed to?

    If the ump was in position, that’s a cheap run that Jorge gives up for what?

  135. RayVT August 23rd, 2010 at 11:14 am

    I wish Yankee stadium had a retractable roof too! Maybe they will add one! It sure would help during the Winter weather during playoffs & spring.

  136. Erica in NY August 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Chip-

    That was a bang bang play. I don’t think Posada was being dumb, I don’t think there was time to make the transfer. HUGE difference

    I think Posada was actually smart for selling it.

  137. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Ray,

    Halladay took an extremely team friendly contract as a 33 year old to ensure a continuity of employment into his late thirties. He will be 37 when the deal is up. He also had no bidders, and WANTED to sign a deal with a team he was traded to.

    Lee is on the open market, and the main suitor already has a pitcher making more money than Roy Halladay. Lee is younger, just as good as either, and left handed.

    Negotiations start at 23 AAV.

  138. RayVT August 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am

    That is an old trick to prevent the runner from kicking the ball out of the mit. It is much akin to holding by a cornerback in football. The reason they do it is the hand is quicker than the eye and they can get away with it most of the time!

  139. Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Doreen, I agree with the assessment that “love of the game” and wanting to make the most money arent mutually exclusive. I think people usually confuse “love of the game” with “best chance to win.”

    Even the guys that do take less money are usually doing it to be on a winning team, which to some degree is still a self serving move (I’m thinking Martin Brodeur – aka: greatest NHL goalie ever – who has settle for MUCH less than the highest paid goalies/players to remain with his NHL club who are perennial playoff contender). The difference is the Yanks have no cap ceiling the way other clubs do, so guys aren’t gonna take a cut to play with them (see: Johnny Damon) because of the general belief that the Yanks don’t have any monetary constraints.

    I would like to see individual salaries come down (or be capped in some way), but I think the union would rather take fastballs to the face for 100 years straight before letting that happen.

  140. champ809 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 am

    GTLU

    LF-Gardner
    SS-Jeet
    1B-Tex
    2B-MVP
    RF-Swish
    C- Jorge
    CF-Grandyman
    DH-Kearns
    3B-Nunez

    Ivan”SuperNova” Nova….6innings/2runs/ 4ks and a 1st major league W…

  141. 86w183 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 am

    AJ and Lackey are in the $ 16.5 range. Lee will certainly top that, but my guess would be in the four or five year. $ 18-20 M a year range.

    The Sawx are not likely to be involved with their need to revamp the every day lineup, which should keep the $$$ reasonable (relatively speaking).

    If I’m Lee and can make $ 18-20 pitching in NYC without having to be the No. 1 guy I jump at it. If I’m the Yanks, I offer four years and $ 75 M and see if that might get it done.

    Who will the competition be? I can’t imagine him wanting that Texas heat… but it’s really the Rangers, Angels and who? The Mets?

  142. BobbyMurcer August 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Hot Rod Nova!

  143. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Rangers, Angels, Mets, Cubs, Red Sox, A Dark Horse Team Looking To Make a Splash, White Sox.

  144. West Coast Yankee Fan August 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Interesting speculation about CC and his opt out clause. Given his importance to the Yankees rotation, it’s easy to understand why. I think it’s logical to assume CC won’t opt out but it’s fair to say no one knows for sure. I think decisions like that often come down to how the wife and children like the area, etc. and other personal ancillary matters.

    One thing is for sure, this being New York, every single little thing CC says or doesn’t say will be over analyzed until decision day and fans will paralyze themselves with fear.

  145. Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 am

    GTLU:

    LF Gardner
    SS Jeter
    1B Teixeira
    2B Cano
    RF Swisher
    C Posada
    DH Kearns
    CF Granderson
    3B Nunez

    Thanks Doreen :)

  146. Mark-Cant Touch This August 23rd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Ray,

    Halladay took an extremely team friendly contract as a 33 year old to ensure a continuity of employment into his late thirties. He will be 37 when the deal is up. He also had no bidders, and WANTED to sign a deal with a team he was traded to.

    Lee is on the open market, and the main suitor already has a pitcher making more money than Roy Halladay. Lee is younger, just as good as either, and left handed.

    Negotiations start at 23 AAV
    _______

    I don’t think so. Maybe he gets 23 million from the Yankees but no other team will go over 20 for him, when CC got his 23 million the market did not fall off the cliff yet.

  147. Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    The Mets can’t possibly be in it for Lee, can they? Not that they’re always the most reliable but all of the NY writers at least seem to be in agreement that they won’t have the money to go for it..

  148. Phil in Columbus August 23rd, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Hot Rod Nova!

    *****************
    Hopefully its a “Nova SS 396″

    Saw him pitch in his last start here in Columbus. He looked great for his first 6 innings, hitting 93-95 on the gun. He tired in the 7th and walked a couple of guys. Only a couple of balls were even hit hard against him. Looking forward to seeing him pitch tonight.

  149. pat August 23rd, 2010 at 11:27 am

    I already know I’m going to be sorry for going here but I once permed my hair so I know how to live through regret……..

    Trisha

    Easier maybe, but less fun for me. :wink:

    You speak in absolutes often which leaves you open for challenge. You are also sometimes rude in how you say it which makes me want to reply to things I would normally just let go.

    Things in life are often less black and white as you see them. There are all kinds of shades of grey. The grey is usually there if people want to challenge themselves to look for it.

    I believe other peoples opinions are valid and I consider them. I may not agree with them but I don’t dismiss them off hand and call them names because they believe differently than I do.

  150. Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 11:28 am

    New Post: Pitching matchups in Toronto

    :arrow:

  151. RayVT August 23rd, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am

    I agree with Halladay basically, but he knew he was a year away from being a bidding war item! He wanted to be a Philly and pitch in the NL!

    CC seems to have put down deep roots in NY, so opting out doesn’t appear to be a real threat. Things could change of course. I believe CC stays & maybe gets a Thank-You extension from the Yankees for a year or two. Lee will get $20M/yr with the Yanks IMO. No more than $24M. I feel that Lee may get length to his contract before he gets more dollars.

  152. Mark-Cant Touch This August 23rd, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Rangers, Angels, Mets, Cubs, Red Sox, A Dark Horse Team Looking To Make a Splash, White Sox.
    _______

    Red Soxs and Mets are not paying Lee 23 million, Angles didn’t pay CC 23 million when the market was still good. White Soxs no. Maybe Texas because they will feel the must because they traded for him but we have no idea what the new owner ship will be like.

  153. Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:30 am

    I don?t think so. Maybe he gets 23 million from the Yankees but no other team will go over 20 for him, when CC got his 23 million the market did not fall off the cliff yet.

    Uh he signed after the 2008 season, which was definitely in a ‘market is off a cliff’ time period. Everyone was shocked at how much cash the yankees dropped that offseason. Everyone thought A-rod’s contract was going to be the last big deal.

    Between 08 and 09 it was at its lowest point, and has started to regain its strength 09 to 10.

    I think he makes more than 20 AAV. And even if the yankees are the only ones that can pay that, cliff lee’s agent will ensure they DO pay that.

  154. Mark-Cant Touch This August 23rd, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:30 am
    I don?t think so. Maybe he gets 23 million from the Yankees but no other team will go over 20 for him, when CC got his 23 million the market did not fall off the cliff yet.

    Uh he signed after the 2008 season, which was definitely in a ‘market is off a cliff’ time period. Everyone was shocked at how much cash the yankees dropped that offseason. Everyone thought A-rod’s contract was going to be the last big deal.

    Between 08 and 09 it was at its lowest point, and has started to regain its strength 09 to 10.

    I think he makes more than 20 AAV. And even if the yankees are the only ones that can pay that, cliff lee’s agent will ensure they DO pay that.
    ________

    Market fell off right after the Yankees singed the big three. Fell off the cliff. Its coming back though.

  155. austinmac August 23rd, 2010 at 11:36 am

    MTU, you can absolutely post my photos.

  156. Gehrig27 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am

    DESTROY: (verb) what the Yankees do to the Blue Jays tonight.

    The Yankees destroyed the Blue Jays 16-2 in the ball game tonight.

  157. Gehrig27 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Cliff Lee to his agent after the Mets put in the highest offer:

    “Hell no. Put cashman on the phone now.”

  158. Vineyard Yankee August 23rd, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Phil in Columbus = Yankee Phil @ BTB ? ?


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