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Nova on the mound, and a bottom three of:
Eduardo Nunez SS
Ramiro Pena 3B
Francisco Cervelli C
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AT the Blue Jays ?
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Winning this game will show a LOT about the depth of this team !
Eduardo Nunez SS
Ramiro Pena 3B
Francisco Cervelli C
ouch.
I have to admit, this is pretty funny:
Ledger_Yankees I hope you realise that’s the New York Yankees lineup, not Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
Johnny Damon is about as delusional as Teddy/Leonardo in Shutter Island. What a no loyalty freak
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Damon had no part in the waiver process, the Tigers and the Red Sox do all the work there. He also has a no trade to Boston. So what are you talking about?
Ledger_Yankees Not sure why Jeter is out but he was probably due for an off day, especially up here on the turf. We’ll see though.
TheKiid August 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Eduardo Nunez SS
Ramiro Pena 3B
Francisco Cervelli C
ouch.
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kinda like Spahn and Sain , you pray for rain!
OK, as long as Jeter isn’t hurt and it’s just a day off.
I never complain about the line up but Come On Joe???? Really????
People are actually calling him a “traitor” because he was claimed by another team? Wow… that totally makes sense!
Jete was due for a day off. I hope that’s what it is.
nice AAA lineup
This would be a good time for the Angels to remember how to win games.
pat August 23rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
OK, as long as Jeter isn?t hurt and it?s just a day off.
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pat, Girardi has been saying for over a week that Jeter was due for a day off. I’m sure that’s all it is.
wow..six homegrown yanks..when we win this game..be afraid..be very afraid…
Given the way the Boston fans treated Damon once he became a Yankee it would certainly be odd to see him go there.
I wouldn’t count it out, but this seems more like a move to block than to acquire.
Joelsherman1 Keep in mind Damon has played OF just twice since 7/28, mainly now a DH. Redsox have Ortiz, need Damon to accept not ony trade, but OF duty
TylerKepner Feeling pretty good about not getting my son the Johnny Damon Tigers T-shirt he wanted for his birthday today….
LOL
I like what Girardi is doing here.
Resting Jeter against a tough righthander, om the turf in Toronto is a good call imo.
whoa…miscount….seven…homegrown yanks…really wow!
Erin
Probably but ya never know.
1st, I don’t care if Damon goes to Boston. But I have a question for those that are into this kind of thing: Damon has a no trade to Boston, so he’d have to waive it to be traded to them. But what if Detroit just tells Boston to take him (because they claimed him off waivers)? Can Damon block that?
Well Jeet was limping yesterday. I still think having 13 pitchers and 3 bench players (two of which are in the lineup), is not very smart. Having Nova here to ‘push everyone back one day”, makes no sense. In fact, i would still keep cc on his normal rest since he threw something like 70 pitches yesterday. And if they end up skipping Javy (10 days between starts), might as well be 15 and put him on the DL (bring up someone who can add to the bench (Montero Montero Montero)
I wonder what Johnny does here. At least my afternoon just got more interesting…and the Red Sox outfield just got weaker.
Damon cannot be waived to another team if he has a NTC. That defeats the purpose of a NTC.
ed_price Damon can block and told me he’s not inclined to go back to Boston
Boston is 6.5 back. Six game left head to head. A comeback is very unlikely, but I’ll say, remember The Boston Massacre (1978).
whoa…miscount….seven…homegrown yanks…really wow!
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6… you were right the first time.
tex, swish and granderson are not homegrown.
Northy August 23rd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I like what Girardi is doing here.
Resting Jeter against a tough righthander, om the tu
rf in Toronto is a good call imo.
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sox has Lowrie, Hall to back up infield, Rays has Brignac , S. rodriguez. and we have one of the worst ML player in Pena for the entire season. I simply don’t get why Pena is on this team, when any options are better options than Pena.
imo Johnny goes to sox if there is opportunity for playoff push….with the suxs..don’t see it happening untless there is a epic collapse on both the Rays and Yanks part…
Boston is 6.5 back. Six game left head to head. A comeback is very unlikely, but I’ll say, remember The Boston Massacre (1978).
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And a bunch with tampa too, plus the yankees and tampa will beat on each other too. 6.5 is not out of anything.
# Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Damon cannot be waived to another team if he has a NTC. That defeats the purpose of a NTC.
I think I read something about the Tigers releasing Damon if he doesn’t accept.
We already say last offseason that Damon doesn’t care much about playing for a winning team…
Damon cannot be waived to another team if he has a NTC. That defeats the purpose of a NTC.
I think I read something about the Tigers releasing Damon if he doesn’t accept.
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I’m sure that is no matter to him. He gets paid, and can sign with a contender before Sept. 1.
ac1 —-forget to inlcude Super Nova on the mound….
“I think I read something about the Tigers releasing Damon if he doesn?t accept.”
Then he’s free to sign wherever he wants, no?
Boras better be asking the redsox to extend johnny a 2 year $24 million extension for waiving his NTC- just like he tried ripping off the yankees last offseason….
of maybe Boras is a boston flunky in the same class as the criminals, serial killers and terrorists that call boston their home (a tribute to CR9)
Never mind. Just Heyman talking.
You know what they say about karma.. people can bash on Cash all they want about this issue, but this guy could have been playing for us (guaranteed 2 years, none the less!). Instead, he took a whole $1 million more to play for the Tigers..
pat August 23rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
ed_price Damon can block and told me he?s not inclined to go back to Boston
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Whew. Thats my Johnny!
jeter was limping yesterday………
It’s bold play by the Red Sox.
If he waives the NTC and Detroit sticks him there, he costs Boston 1.8 million plus the luxury tax implications since they are already over the payroll threshold.
Spending over 2 million dollars to block the Rays and Yankees from claiming him feels a bit extreme.
Perhaps they knew there’s no way he’d waive the NTC.
Either way, I’d hate to see him back in Boston. God forbid he helped the Red Sox get the wild card Yankee fans would spontaneously combust and want Cash’s head on a platter since they’d make him the target for not closing a deal with Damon even though there was no real deal to close that worked for the Yankees.
jnorris427 So, it sounds like the part I was not rock solid on, may not be rock solid. I’m told it may be Noesi going to the land of the Triple-A.
Berkman says he can play today. Gonna hit on the field. But he has yet to run.
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Except he is on the DL no?
jacksquat August 23rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
We already say last offseason that Damon doesn?t care much about playing for a winning team?
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Actually. Thats BS
The Tigers were projected to be a lot better than they are. They were actually contenders until the end of July
Why no Kearns? He’s been hot lately and would have broken up probably the weakest 7 to 9 an AL team could field.
ac1 —-forget to inlcude Super Nova on the mound….
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Touche
Remember the Boston Massacre?
Where the Yanks destroyed the Red Sox and crushed their hopes?
Okay
If only he becomes super nova out there, yankees can save some money next year and slot him in the 5th starter spot.
jnorris427 So, it sounds like the part I was not rock solid on, may not be rock solid. I’m told it may be Noesi going to the land of the Triple-A
I actually think Boras would encourage Damon to go to the Red Sox since it would increase his brand again before hitting the free agent market again.
Unless there is really bad blood there, and there might be, Damon would be silly to stay in Detroit with a chance to play for a big market team still in the race.
I couldn’t understand why coolstandings gave TB better odds of winning the division, even while the Yanks held a slim lead.
then I looked @their schedule. here’s how the Rays up:
3 @home vs. the M’s
3 @home vs. the O’s
4 @KC
the Yanks, meanwhile, have Boston, the Jays and Boston again.
if Minnesota continues to have better record than the Rangers, though, they’d be the 1st round opponent if the Yanks win the WC.
i guess jeter was bound to get a day off, and this would have happened with nunez and pena in the same lineup, but was hoping that it would be with posada at catcher and a little power at DH.
if Minnesota continues to have better record than the Rangers, though, they’d be the 1st round opponent if the Yanks win the WC.
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Wouldnt really worry if the yankees win the division or the wild card at this point. They have Minny’s number in the playoffs, and dispite what we saw in the last rangers series, they are not ready to compete with the yankees, even with cliff lee.
guess jeter was bound to get a day off, and this would have happened with nunez and pena in the same lineup, but was hoping that it would be with posada at catcher and a little power at DH.
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Girardi is probably applying the logic of “Go all in when I can play all my good players instead of weakening 2 lineups a little bit.”
Ledger_Yankees Berkman should be eligible to come off the DL on Monday.
pat August 23rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Erin
Probably but ya never know.
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pat-that’s true. I guess I should have said I hope that’s all it is.
If the Tigers release him, they are on the hook for all but the prorated minimum (about $150,000+/-). There would be very little luxury tax hit for any team he signed with. My guess is that Tampa would try to sign him for fear that he would choose to come back here, assuming he’d be wanted.
Jeter vs. Morrow:
16 ABs
7 Ks
.188 BA
.250 SLG
good night for a rest (SSS be damned)
Lineup makes NO cents
Why rest all the key guys against their best pitcher? Couldn’t have waited until tomorrow against Rzycipsnki?
I think Brandon Inge has been put on waivers and “might” still be available to claim. Plays 3B now but has experience at catcher.
Certainly would be nice if Yankees make the playoffs with the home field advantage and their starters rested and in line to start lefties CC and Pettitte at home.
My son asks what the line-up is and when I tell him he says, “Girardi tired of answering questions about 12-0 without A-Rod?”
Needs lots of complaining to assure a “W” tonight.
well 2 surprises
I bet no one guessed that line up
I can’t (or don’t want to) imagine Johnny D going back to the sox
NYYs have had a lot of success with pitchers making their MLB starting debuts over the last few years. Kennedy, Desalvo, Clippard, Chase Wright, Karstens.
I think if the Tigers keep him and then loose him to free agency next year, they at least get a draft pick out of all this. Probably the draft pick would be more valuable to them then if they all out let him go and saved just a little bit of money.
This all of course if they can’t work out a trade.
Erica in NY August 23rd, 2010 at 3:55 pm
jacksquat August 23rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
We already say last offseason that Damon doesn?t care much about playing for a winning team?
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Actually. Thats BS
The Tigers were projected to be a lot better than they are. They were actually contenders until the end of July
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No one is as likely to go to the postseason as the Yankees.
Anyway, you’re openly in love with Damon’s cuteness, so your judgement on Damon matters is obviously heavily biased.
If Damon cares about winning he would waive the NTC and go to the Red Sox. If you think he won’t because he was a Yankee you are delusional.
Is this a spring Training game? I thought we were in a pennant race? Stump Girardi is an idiot. The bottom of the lineup is a joke.
I don’t think Scott would tell Johnny to go to Boston.
I don’t see why folks are upset with Damon. He has no say in the waiver process and has a NTC in his deal for Boston.
Unless the Red Sox want to give him a reason (ie: more money) to go to Boston, I bet he doesn’t waive the NTC.
Really, folks need to stop sounding dumb by calling tonight’s lineup a AAA lineup.
Go find me a AAA lineup that has the first six guys in the order the Yankees have in tonight’s lineup.
Sometimes. Yankee fans need to think before posting.
Hi –
If Berkman is ready to come off the DL, then that’s the move that takes place, if Nova pitches well tonight – Vaz to DL with dead arm/something like that, and Berkman gets activated. That’s my thought.
Inge’s knees are shot. He can’t catch anymore.
He had knee surgery on both knees in the off-season and his right knee hasn’t responded post-surgery.
He’s not a catching option.
Yankees vs. Morrow-
5.40 ERA
18.1 innings 24 strikeouts
Yankees play Jays 9 out of their remaining 38 games.
Remember Johnny’s interview earlier this season …. Detroit is where I always wanted to be … we’ll see.
SJ
Stop being logical when we need panic. Line-up panic has been good for wins.
I liked these two back-to-back comments from the previous thread:
Joe S: Is he still a legit outfielder?
Erica in NY: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I see good and bad news in todays line-up- Good News – Plenty of speed on bases and Bad News- bottom 4 cant hit to get on bases
With Inge’s bad knees, I doubt they’ll ever have him catching again. He was also a pretty good center fielder for Detroit a couple of years ago.
Purenyyankee
Is this a spring Training game? I thought we were in a pennant race? Stump Girardi is an idiot. The bottom of the lineup is a joke.
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What exactly is your suggestion? Some people don’t really seem to have a clue how things work. Girardi has three on the bench, and Jeter may be hurt. He has to keep Posada fresh, and there are 1 too many pitchers on the roster right now. It is up to Cashman to DL Javy and bring up a hitter or take Berkman off the DL. Are we sure it is this monday and not next monday? I dont even remember when he was put on the DL.
“if Minnesota continues to have better record than the Rangers, though, they’d be the 1st round opponent if the Yanks win the WC.”
Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago people we’re saying how important it was to win the division so the Yanks didn’t have to dace Lee twice in a 5 game series?
Well, how important is it to win the division now???
My bad – I thought it said Berkman was ready to come off Monday, as in today. When I checked he only went on 8/19. Never mind.
I still think Vaz will be DL’d if Nova pitches well enough tonight. Otherwise the bench is a man short.
Nick in SF August 23rd, 2010 at 4:10 pm
I liked these two back-to-back comments from the previous thread:
Joe S: Is he still a legit outfielder?
Erica in NY: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Undoubtedly next monday. The move was retroactive to the Kansas City game right?
Believe Damon like you would a politician. If in fact he lands with Boston, the 6 remaining games with the Yankees will be silly Boston’s World Series.
The Yankees are all too familiar with Damon. He left the Bronx last week going 2 for 18 with Detroit.
Would Boston hassle with Scott Boras for another year with Boston in 2011 ? Very doubtful.
Detroit just waved a white flag on their season. That should boost attendance in the Motor City.
Well, how important is it to win the division now???
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Its always important. Homefield
Question?
I know if you are put on waivers during this period and your club pulls you back, you cannot be put on waivers during this month again.
If Damon invokes his NTC however, do the rules allow him to be placed on waivers again?
Jeter needs to be DH and Posada needs to catch.
“Well, how important is it to win the division now???
Would be nice to have homefield in the next round
Re: Berkman coming off DL
Ledger_Yankees Next Monday, for clarification.
Is Inge a decent third baseman who could offer more help than Pena, as an insurance option in case A-Rod needs more time off at 3rd in the last 6 weeks of the season?
Jeter needs to be DH and Posada needs to catch.
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And ARod needs to be at 3rd and Nick Johnson needs to be DH and JAvy and Burnett need to pitch much better.
Doesnt always work out. Jeter was limping around yesterday and Posada has to be kept healthy.
Not ideal, but what can we do?
2nd time placed on waivers = irrevocable.
For the record, the pre-season over/under on total Detroit wins was 80.5, which is below .500.
The Tigers are doing about what they were projected to be doing. I hope Johnny stays in Detroit though… I took the over.
I agree, Jerkface, home field advantage trumps all.
I was just pointing out the possible silver lining in “settling” for the WC.
These machinations are what make September baseball so relevant.
“I know if you are put on waivers during this period and your club pulls you back, you cannot be put on waivers during this month again.
If Damon invokes his NTC however, do the rules allow him to be placed on waivers again?”
If you are claimed in Sept, you can’t play in the post season. For some reason i think the yankees did this one with a player but I cant remember who and what the circumstances were….
Pat,
Very true! lol
“Its always important. Homefield
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Eh, overrated in baseball.
I’m fine with EITHER, understand, but if i had a choice between Texas in a 5-game with homefield or the Twins in a 5-gamer on the road, i think I gotta take the twins.
When we went to the LoHud game at Scranton last year, Cervelli caught Nova. So, they’ve probably teamed up a few times, and Cisco knows his stuff. Might be a plus, and might give Nova an additional comfort level.
The Yankees will be able to play 1 to 3 players from Sept in the postseason as injury replacements for Nick Johnson, Aceves, and Marte(maybe).
I?m fine with EITHER, understand, but if i had a choice between Texas in a 5-game with homefield or the Twins in a 5-gamer on the road, i think I gotta take the twins.
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I think the Yankees really handle the Rangers. They are the team I’m least afraid of at the moment. Stupid maybe, but the Yankees will put them out of the postseason again if they meet.
yankees will put texas or minny out, no matter where it is played.
In a 5 game series, CC, Hughes and Pettitte over Cliff Lee and _____
After last year, I’d rather avoid Lee if possible.
DJ Mitchell was already promoted to Scranton so unless they are announcing a second promtotion I think Noesi will stay in Trenton for the forseeable future.
The Yanks will most likely not call up Montero until after the AAA season is over.
He’s not on the 40 man and does not have to be added next season either. They will most likely like to hold that spot for someone like Laird who does need to be protected.
There is sone internal debate about that very issue but as of now they are leaning towards not calling him up Sept. 1.
Albie, Romulo and Miranda will get Sept. 1 call ups
Cashman should really confer with us before making the offseason moves.
The Granderson over the last 11 games is not the same Granderson of the previous 110 games. 11 games, 36 AB, 11 hits, 2 doubles 3 homers, 5 RBI, 5 walks, 6 strikeouts.
Albie, Romulo and Miranda will get Sept. 1 call ups
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Colin Curtis? Huffman? And one more infielder?
The Red Sox playoff odds are down to 10.5%
If you think they are still in this race you have been smoking some bad dope
And does anyone think they are going to hold Aceves until Sept. 1 so they dont have to dump Mitre or Gaudin?
ac1 August 23rd, 2010 at 4:23 pm
yankees will put texas or minny out, no matter where it is played.
In a 5 game series, CC, Hughes and Pettitte over Cliff Lee and _____
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CJ Wilson (3.02 ERA).
If he had last winter the outfield would be Johnny Damon, Austiin Jackson and Nick Swisher.
… and Matt Holliday and David Dejesus.
The Granderson over the last 11 games is not the same Granderson of the previous 110 games. 11 games, 36 AB, 11 hits, 2 doubles 3 homers, 5 RBI, 5 walks, 6 strikeouts.
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But where is the production? Ramiro Pena is batting .190 and has 16 RBIs which is the same pace as Granderson. And Ramiro can play the outfield and run the bases.
/57ryank’d
The Sox could block Manny from the Rays, but then they run the risk of ending up with him, and if Manny doesnt want to be there, he will not try. By his own admission, he has nothing left to prove.
I would rather face TX. How many times can one team beat up on another? Sooner or later the Twinkies might get the Yanks.
“If you think they are still in this race you have been smoking some bad dope
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If you thought they’ve been in it anytime during the last month and a half you’ve been smoking the good stuff.
CJ Wilson (3.02 ERA).
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Will be killed by the Yankees. He tends not to go deep into games anyways.
After the way the fans greeted him when he went back to BOS, why would Damon want to go back there? I hope he invokes his NTC and tells BOS to kiss his hairy butt.
“And does anyone think they are going to hold Aceves until Sept. 1 so they dont have to dump Mitre or Gaudin?”
Considering there is an off-day and the Yanks bullpen has been spectacular for sometime now, I’d say probably, yes.
IS 2NITE THE NITE TO GIVE JETE A REST?
Yahoo’s comments on Johnny Damon
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....ng-content
I don’t know if this is accurate?
By Tim Dierkes [August 23 at 3:09pm CST]
3:09pm: A no-trade clause does not necessarily give a player the right to prevent his team from handing him over on waivers, according to an MLB Players Association official who spoke to MLBTR this afternoon. In many cases, a player has a non-assignment clause that would prevent trades and waiver claims. However, not all players with no-trade clauses can prevent their teams from handing them over on waivers.
In other words, Damon’s ability to prevent the Tigers from handing him to the Red Sox depends on the wording in his contract.
The interesting part of this lineup is that Nunez is at SS and not Pena! This says to me that Pena may be on the way out if they like what they see with Nunez at SS.
belated thanks to all for the congrats – apparently the office didn’t get the “no longer killing myself” memo!
i’ll be better about posting insider nuggets and should have thought to add a LoHud clause
That’s one year to “coast” while I figure out what’s next!
Johnny! Damon! Please refuse Boston, but even if ya don’t, you’re still a good guy!
I find CJ Wilson fascinating.
In a 5-year career, his innings high was 73.2 last year.
He’s at 158 at the moment with what, 6, 7 more starts left?
Nolan Ryan is basically telling Tom Verducci to @#$% his @#$%
Ray,
I think that’s more a case of Pena playing more 3B than Nunez and Nunez being more comfortable, especialy on turf, at SS.
CJ Wilson is 29.
I believe the Verducci Effect is based on pitchers 25 and younger.
Last Friday evening, I saw Girardi in Dolphin’s restaurant in Yonkers. When he passed by, I asked him why he doesn’t utilize speed on the bases more, and he actually said that he still intends to. I always thought that with Gardner, Granderson, Jeter and to a lesser extent Pena and Cervelli, that he’d be playing more hit-and-run, but it hasn’t really happened. Maybe that starts tonight.
“Verducci Effect” – LGY, that’s a good one
IS 2NITE THE NITE TO GIVE JETE A REST?
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Yeah what will we do without Jeter at the top of the lineup grounding out on 1 pitch for one night?
It would be funny if the Sox got Damon back, if only for luxury tax purposes…
If you believe Mike F…. Damon had plans on clearing wavers and being traded to Tampa, Sox got word of this and put a claim on him. Now he doesn’t want to go to Boston because they did that.
No idea where he got that from, or if its true, but it’s interesting
yeah why does jeter love to hit that 1st pitch?
Both are better shortstops than any other position, but, Nunez could easily make Pena expendable this winter. Both Russo and Luis Nunez with Trenton could provide the same versatility and more bat, though L. Nunez needs some AAA time.
This offseason, their choice of Crawford or Werth could signal which is more important to them long term: speed or power. Crawford can steal 50 bases, Gardner 40, Granderson 30 (he really could), and Jeter 20, if they are all given the green light. Such motion on the basepaths would wreak heavok on pitchers and infields, allowing more runs to be scored per game.
Could Damon be dumb enough to really think he would clear waivers? He’s not owed much for the rest of the year, and his production is decent. Plus Fenway LF is small, which helps his lack of range and arm.
of course the bottom 3 appears very crappy, but there’s more than enough hitters there to get it done. if Nova can hold Toronto down anything can happen. i’m happy jeter is getting a day off. he was due for one anyhow, but clearly he is nowhere near 100% healthy. he was having problems even running normally to second base. he has to have some type of leg injury and is just playing through it. i wouldn’t mind if he sat the entire series.
SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Good Point! I suspect though that if Nunez can handle the job that Pena may take a trip to AAA as he has options still. If Pena could hit, well everyone knows this!
Such motion on the basepaths would wreak heavok on pitchers and infields, allowing more runs to be scored per game.
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The player has to reach base to steal, and not have the base ahead blocked. I don’t think it increases runs scored as much as people wish. Especially for a team which often puts multiple guys on base like the Yankees.
If they did happen to sign Crawford I’d be ok with it because he also provides power.
pena won’t be sent down as long as A-Rod is on the DL. if he did, they would be left with no backup infielders.
RedSux claimed Damon to block Yankees, pretty simple, end of story. No deal will be made.
Am I wrong for being excited to watch this game with all the Yankee farmhands in it? Nova pitch too
I’m not wishing this, but if the Yankees fall out of first after the Toronto series and Manny gets placed on waivers, would the Yankees put a claim in to block Tampa?
“CJ Wilson is 29.
I believe the Verducci Effect is based on pitchers 25 and younger.”
This is true, but that said I’d assume it’s fairly common for younger pitchers to get dramatically increased workloads from year to year.
I imagine there is very little precedent for pitchers OVER 25 to have 100+ inning leaps.
That only happens if you’re a reliever for an extended time and them suddenly are turned into an effective starter.
Not unprecedented for sure, but I’d imagine a very small sample size exists.
It is more likely than not that the fans at that rat hole Fenway will still boo Damon. That alone would be enough for me to say No to that deal. He’s gotta be thinking that as well.
Manny Banuelos vs Kyle Draebek
Wish I could watch
Don Vito A. Bellamo August 23rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RedSux claimed Damon to block Yankees, pretty simple, end of story. No deal will be made.
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More likely the Rays imo. I don’t think the Yanks would have claimed him even if they got the chance.
With Nova being an extreme ground ball pitcher, tonight, the infield really needs to be sharp. He can get strikeouts and doesn’t walk many. Should be interesting to see how well pitcher and defense work together. Nunez knows what his tendencies are.
It will be interesting to see how this stuff with Damon plays out. I can’t really see him wanting to go back to Boston, but you never know. I don’t see him as being the difference maker in putting the RS into the playoffs. They have to count on the Rays or Yankees to go into a fall while they are winning. That is still possible, but its a tough hill for them to climb.
DaSaint007, I wonder if Girardi has had his plans on using speed stumped a bit because Gardner seems to have developed the yips when it comes to stealing bases. He hasn’t attempted a lot of steals lately, and when he does go he gets poor jumps. I remember one of the announcers saying Girardi should just force it for a bit, as just giving him the green light hasn’t been working.
I would love to see Gardner and Crawford on the bases for the Yankees. It might help Gardner to learn how to read the pitchers better having Crawford around. I just don’t think Crawford is going to be a Yankee though. I think he is going to the LA Angels of Anaheim of California. He is the type of player that goes with their way of playing and with how they’ve been this year they might cough up a nice fat contract for him to go there.
The Yankee lineup looks like its built more for defense today, though the offense is likely to take a hit. Or should that be the offense will be tough to find a hit?
stuckey,
I agree with you. I think it is something to keep an eye on down the stretch. Was just clarifying what the Verducci thing is in regard to.
SI_JonHeyman damon texted me back as to whether he’ll accept boston: “not sure buddy,” he wrote. very pleasant man.
SI_JonHeyman damon texted me back as to whether he’ll accept boston: “not sure buddy,” he wrote. very pleasant man.
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BloggingBombers Nothing wrong with Jeter … Just a day off after playing 17 straight, according to Girardi.
Rishi-LOL Jinx!!
Haybrain with an alleged scoop on a boras client ? No way!
If Damon wasn’t kicking himself for turning down our deal during the off-season, he most certainly is now.
I think Boston did it to block the Rays…if he says yes and comes then they could use him…if not then the Rays dont get him..no real downside for them.
Excited to see super Nova and the kids tonight.
I highly doubt that the Yanks would have claimed Damon. Kearns and Swisher are both producing well right now, and Gardener and Gardener have both recently turned it around.
Also GB7, how does Nunez rate defensively? I don’t recall.
Girardi – with that lineup – why are you bothering to play the game? If you forfeit, you can rest everyone. Yes I am being absurd to make a point. This incessant babying of professional athletes in their thirties during a pennant race is nuts in my opinion.
“Yes I am being absurd to make a point.”
Not very effectively, you aren’t.
First 3 batters gets on, Cano hits a grand slam.
Can happen. 4 runs might very well be enough to win a game.
The first 6 batters can’t generate 5 or 6 runs?
Really?
Here’s a thought: Didn’t someone say Nova throws ground balls? If so, maybe Girardi is thinking he’d rather have someone else play SS for a game, and make the Left side of his infield impervious to seeing-eye singles.
With Cano and Tex on the RH side, it’s hard to get anything but a hard-hit ball through, ain’t it?
SO: Maybe this is to help Nova. And Jeter.
I know this is heresy, and I’ve not watched every game — so I’m probably talking out of my hat (or some other location) — but Derek’s range seems back to being a bit limited (like 2008)
. . . and even A-Rod (altho not an option tonight) has looked less than fully mobile sometimes at 3B. Hasn’t he?
[Now I'm sure someone will provide the links to statistics that prove I'm wrong.]
buddy?
That’s a little passive agressive.
What young pitchers/players does Boston want Damon to mentor?
Jetes needs the rest….Damon will want some coins from Boston to even consider going there……Yanks interest in Johnny ???/ Unless Berkman is really hurt
“What young pitchers/players does Boston want Damon to mentor?”
Kalish, Ron McDonald, Nava
Francessa said they checked with Yankees. Just a day off for Jeter.
I think Derek’s defense this year has been somewhere between 2008 and 2009. Doesn’t seem like he’s getting to as many balls to his left but he’s making all the routine plays and has really been just fine IMO…
Given how porous the left side of the Yankee infield has been this year (yes, I know Jeter has only 4 errors; so what?) I think this is a good lineup. At least they’ll have a SS who will get to some ground balls.
SI_JonHeyman RT @Tom_Gage Damon: “I have to think long and hard … I hadn’t even thought about playing for that team again. Never crossed my mind.”
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I don’t think Girardi was looking at offense as much as defense when he put this together. Pena and Nunez might not be threats with the bats but they have good gloves. With Nova being a ground ball pitcher it doesn’t seem like a bad idea, especially since Jeter looked like he was limping a little yesterday.
Yeah, because it makes more sense to run mid-30′s players into the ground.
That always makes sense, doesn’t it?
Since Girardi won a WS last year balancing out rest vs. rust with his players, and has the best record in baseball doing the same thing this year, it seems to me, he knows exactly what he’s doing.
Unless of course, you choose to reject the results and just enjoy whining.
so if Johnny D rejects Boston’s offer, what happens next?
Girardi is just going all in with his backups where it makes sense. Give Nova a catcher he is familiar with, at least in passing, and two defenders familiar with him that are better than the regulars (one of whom is hurt anyways). Then you just decide if you want Posada or Kearns against Morrow, and Posada is a switch hitter so there you go.
Then you get the other two games with Kearns/Jeter/Posada ccatching and everything looks a lot better. Instead of 3 games featuring 2 of cervelli/nunez/pena
You don’t have that long, Johnny!
Actually, it’s a pretty awkward situation. Wouldn’t want to be in his shoes right now.
Good call Face
Damon: “I have to think long and hard … I hadn’t even thought about playing for that team again. Never crossed my mind.”
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At least get some extra money of them if you go there…
Kate,
If he turns down the waiver claim, he stays with the Tigers the rest of the year.
Once a player passes thru waivers, he can’t be put back on waivers.
The Tigers could always release him.
However, that’s unlikely since his money is guaranteed.
If the Tigers have to pay him, they might as well play him.
thanks SJ
6 games outta play-off position with 38 games to play is a pretty tall order. 98 outta 100 years their season is effectively over.
Someone close to Damon has to explain to him the actual odds rather than just the presenting the cliched “well, they have 6 more games with the Rays and the Yankees” argument.
SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Kate,
If he turns down the waiver claim, he stays with the Tigers the rest of the year.
Once a player passes thru waivers, he can’t be put back on waivers.
The Tigers could always release him.
However, that’s unlikely since his money is guaranteed.
If the Tigers have to pay him, they might as well play him.
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A player can be put on waivers again, but he can’t be pulled back a second time.
I assume Jeter just needs a rest……….I’m fine with that. This team has played many games without a day off and they’re only human; take care of the body now and it will take care of you later.
Damon back to the Sox? I guess he can grow his hair again……….
My question is, if Detroit decides to just let Boston have him (possible), is that still a “trade” that Damon could block?
Buster thinks Damon should go to Boston…would be a conquering hero…lol..imagine that.
Buster also thought the 2010 Rays were the 1998 Yankees…………….
Country Club, I saw your post earlier about Phil possibly pitching many more innings in the post-season, to add on to his regular season innings. That’s a good point – the Yanks might want to watch out for that next year, although I guess there’s really nothing you can do about it.
I hope Damon goes to Boston just for the sheer entertainment value of it.
This has been a very stressful day (work, Johnny, lingering Froggie mourning)
Going for some additional retail therapy before I make my way home….
I need a Yankee win today
Yes, he could still block the trade.
How is exactly would Johnny be a “conquering hero” going back to Boston?
Has Buster seen Johnny play this year.
The Red Sox are 7 out on the loss side with 38 games remaining. They trail the two best teams in baseball. Two teams clearly better than the Red Sox this year, with or without Johnny Damon.
Then again, Buster is the same guy who compared this Rays team with the ’98 Yankees.
I don’t understad how previously smart people feel the need to take stupid pills to go to work at ESPN.
Damon surprised it was the Red Sox: “I was thinking it was going to be Tampa or New York.”
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The guy’s nickname is Buster – that should tell you all you need to know.
“The only reason why I would be considering it is to help out this team in the future,” Damon said. “I love the Tigers organization and I love the fact that they’re up-front and honest. If somehow they can get a good prospect back, a player that can help this team in the future, it would be beneficial for them. I would like to remain a Tiger, so I think that’s why these next hours are pretty important.”
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There is no way the Tigers are getting a good prospect for him. It will be some single A nobody like all of Boston’s overrated prospects. He should just stay where he is now. If he goes back he won’t have a lot of fans left. Boston fans aren’t thrilled with him but they will put up with him for a month and Yankee fans will hate and boo him now.
“Buster thinks Damon should go to Boston…would be a conquering hero…lol..imagine that”
Johnny Damon to the Red Sox = Don Quixote tilting at windmills
someone needs to clue john hart into the fact that damon is not popular in boston anymore and the fans do NOT love him.
LOL Buster is really inane. Apparently he was on 1050 this morning and mentioned that since Andy has been out, the ERA has risen a full point. And? Mosely is not Andy for one and Javy and AJ have been awful. Andy’s absence affects only the pitcher replacing him, Moseley – it has nothing to do with how the other pitchers pitch. Sheesh.
“Damon surprised it was the Red Sox: ?I was thinking it was going to be Tampa or New York.?”
He clearly hasn’t checked our roster. We sadly don’t have any room [or need] for him.
Olney was previously smart – as a writer. I am a B2B writer (about 185,000 levels lower than Olney on the pay scale).
When you write, you get to REWRITE.
Some of the “game” stories Olney wrote for the NY Times when he was the Yankee beat writer were among the best game stories I have ever read. It’s a long time ago.
He doesn’t do that anymore, I don’t think. And maybe the skills that made him great at that do not transfer to whatever he’s doing now.
Olney is now a TALKER. He didn’t get stupid, he’s just not putting his best foot forward. You remember that old Beatles line — “you may be a lover, but you ain’t no dancer”…..?
“Damon surprised it was the Red Sox”
That’s because they tried to block you from going to one of those teams. Really want to relocate to a team that you left on bad terms for 38 days, just for a hail mary shot at a playoff birth?
Then again, Buster is the same guy who compared this Rays team with the ‘98 Yankees.
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Yep, unless you ignore record, average, power, veteran pitching (98 yanks) v young pitching (10 rays), first place v second place?
would johnny demand that dice -k gives up his number?
Boston only claimed him so he wouldn’t go to Tampa so it’s not like he is really wanted or needed there. He will be in the same situation he is now, out of the play offs, on a bad team just a different city. Damon is obviously very easy to please. Whatever team he is on he claims it’s the greatest place ever.
The Yankees are still third overall in ERA in the AL…….ahead of the “pitching rich” Boston Red Sox.
Funny how that got lost in his analysis.
Damon barely plays the OF anymore and hasn’t had a good year at the plate.
If Buster wants to believe Damon will lead the Sox to the promised land, more power to him.
Both Johnny and Scott screwed up this off-season when they didn’t take the Yankees 2/14 offer.
They have been chasing their tails since.
It’s a shame but, when you make decisions, good and bad, you wear them.
Johnny has had to wear his dumb winter decisions all season.
RadioKev August 23rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm
I highly doubt that the Yanks would have claimed Damon. Kearns and Swisher are both producing well right now, and Gardener and Gardener have both recently turned it around.
Also GB7, how does Nunez rate defensively? I don’t recall.
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His improvement on defense from last year has been dramtic. He always had range, arm and soft hands. His problem was more footworl.
Not that it means a lot in the majors, but, he was rated as the best defensive shortstop with the best arm of all AAA (or International Leauge) shortstops.
David Ortiz, with a smile and a laugh, on Damon possibly returning to #RedSox: “Is it his choice? Oh, it is? Let me call him right now.”
More Ortiz on Damon: “I’m pretty sure he’d be excited to be back. For all those people that did him wrong, he could put that back together.”
Sox schedule from here on out includes the likes of
@ Tampa
vs. White Sox
@ White Sox
@Oakland
@Seattle (not good team, but WC trips are never easy)
vs. Yankees
@ Yankees
vs. Rays
Unless they sweep or go 5-1 vs. TB/NY the rest of the way, how are they making up 6-7 games with that schedule? Even our remaining schedule is easier than that. Tampa’s is obviously a cakewalk outside the key division games.
pat August 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm
David Ortiz, with a smile and a laugh, on Damon possibly returning to #RedSox: “Is it his choice? Oh, it is? Let me call him right now.”
More Ortiz on Damon: “I’m pretty sure he’d be excited to be back. For all those people that did him wrong, he could put that back together.
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Damon sure doesn’t seem that excited about going back.
Maybe Ortiz can prepare some special shakes for Johnny.
“Johnny has had to wear his dumb winter decisions all season.”
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And next year too when he will likely be going through this whole process all over again
So they are going to make this potential Damon-Sox reunion as some kind of feel-good story and transcendent event that will propel the Sox into the playoffs?
lol the only reason he was even claimed was to block Tampa and the Yankees, not because they felt he was the key to their “playoff” run.
NYYs team ERA is nearly a half a run better than Boston’s. Pretty significant at this time of the year. They’ve also passed the Blue Jays, White Sox, Mariners and Texas in the last couple of weeks. Not bad for a decrepit, aging pitching staff.
I assume that if Damon goes to the Sox, he will get a rather different reception when the Sox come to Town than he did when the Tigers did.
I am sure after what happened in the off season Cashman wouldn’t of brought Damon back at the trade deadline/waivers but he would of been a better option than Berkman. He would of cost about $3m less and will probably hit more than Berkman. But after the Boras crap I don’t think he was an option.
Damon isn’t going to make a 6-7 game difference for Boston.
GB-
“Damon isn’t going to make a 6-7 game difference for Boston.”
You just missed a decimal point is all.
Looking at the Red Sox plight mathematically: with ~6 weeks remaining, the Sox are 6 games in the loss column behind Tampa for the wild card. Making up 6 games in 6 weeks is not an insurmountable task. Assuming 7 games per week, Boston could be 5-2 each week and Tampa 4-3 each week, and voila – we have a tie for the wild card. Seems do-able to me.
For all we carry on – I really don’t think Theo and company are dumb. Very likely, they know exactly that Damon can no longer play the OF, which is what they need. They already have a surplus of DH types, so he doens’t make much sense for them.
More likely is that they wanted to block him from going to the Yanks or Tampa, where he would provide a lefty bat.
Boston would probably be pissed if they did wind up with them; they’d have to cut a more productive player, or release him and be responsible for his remaining salary.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi says when ARod returns, he returns to cleanup spot.
Ledger_Yankees Aceves throws again Tuesday in minors, Pettitte throwing a bullpen Friday.
Not even sure he could make up the decimal point, MTU. He’s cooked.
(that should bring out TPMH…..The Pretend Mother Hen.)
The Sox have a shot because they aren’t THAT far behind and they play the Yankees (and the Rays, I think). That’s a big deal……………
Crossing my fingers with Andy – we need him back.
Strasburg on DL again with a strained flexor muscle; he’ll be having another MRI shortly
I think this will be an interesting game. Yes, its a light hitting group but Pena can infied bunt/single. Nunez has hit in the 2 games that he has started. The only thing I worry about is Cervelli behind the plate. I think it would make more sense to start Posada behind the plate because he has the experience with dealing with so many different pitchers over the years that if Nova were to start getting in trouble, he might know the right thing to say to calm him down.
When it comes to hitting, if you look at the boxscore for the past couple of games, Jeter has gone 1-4 or 2-5, Tex the same. Granted some of those hits have come at important times but Nunez did have the go-ahead hit in the game the other day. I think as long as they can back Nova up defensively, then they should do fine. They will have Cano and Tex and Swish to back them up offensively as well. I don’t think this lineup is weak at all really.
As for Banuelos, I hope he does great in his first start for Trenton tonight, I was a bit upset when I heard that he got promoted along with Betances because I have liked watching them in Tampa, im just glad I went to see them pitch at every opportunity.
Hopefully he gets some great run support because I think that was the big reason that he never got a win down here, also the bullpen in Tampa is horridly unreliable outside of Venditte.
Unless the Red Sox are ready to play 28-8 they are not making the playoffs. If the Yankees miss the playoffs it will be because they collapse not because the Soxs make some big push.
Has Sox-o-Phobia reared it’s ugly head because the Nomad might return to the Nation ?
Hurry. Pass out the tranquilizers, or panic might ensue. OMG. What shall we do. What shall we do. This clearly the end of line for the Yankees. This spells doom.
“Assuming 7 games per week, Boston could be 5-2 each week and Tampa 4-3 each week, and voila – we have a tie for the wild card. Seems do-able to me.”
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Aside from the fact that there are not 7 games per week the rest of the season, for a team in the Sox with a .568 WP all season to suddenly play .700 baseball for 6 weeks and at the same time a team in the Rays with a .613 WP all season to suddenly play .571 baseball for 6 weeks is incredibly unlikely.
Lou-in-Vermont August 23rd, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Looking at the Red Sox plight mathematically: with ~6 weeks remaining, the Sox are 6 games in the loss column behind Tampa for the wild card. Making up 6 games in 6 weeks is not an insurmountable task. Assuming 7 games per week, Boston could be 5-2 each week and Tampa 4-3 each week, and voila – we have a tie for the wild card. Seems do-able to me
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You have the Sox playing at 30-12. That’s a torrid pace.
New Post- Pregame notes: Updates on Jeter, Pettitte, A-Rod and the rotation
# LGY August 23rd, 2010 at 6:12 pm
“Assuming 7 games per week, Boston could be 5-2 each week and Tampa 4-3 each week, and voila – we have a tie for the wild card. Seems do-able to me.”
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Aside from the fact that there are not 7 games per week the rest of the season, for a team in the Sox with a .568 WP all season to suddenly play .700 baseball for 6 weeks and at the same time a team in the Rays with a .613 WP all season to suddenly play .571 baseball for 6 weeks is incredibly unlikely.
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This is what I was getting at, except you put it much more eloquently.
They need to shut Strasburg down. No reason for him to pitch anymore this season.
“The Sox have a shot because they aren’t THAT far behind and they play the Yankees (and the Rays, I think). That’s a big deal……………”
Q: How far back do you need to be with 37 games remaining to not have a shot?
Yankees play .500 (they’re 19-14 since Pettitte got injured) the rest of the way, Sox need to go 25-12 just to catch them. 26-11 to pass them.
And I’ll remind you, this is IF the Yankees go .500 in a 38 game stretch for the first time since early 2008.
Yanks go 21-17, and the Sox need to 27-10 to catch them, 28-9 to pass them.
Anyone thinking “it’s possible” aren’t duly considering the premise.
If the Soxs play a little better than .500 for the rest of the year its an accomplishment.
I’m glad the red sox claimed Damon. They blocked tampa from getting him good job by Theo. Boston is not catching the yankees. I rather have Damon on the red sox than on tampa.
Teams have lost 7 game leads before, even this late in the season. The trouble is for the Sox to make up ground they would have to count on those ahead of them to fall off while they continue winning.
And then what? The Sox probably would have a hard time getting out of the first round.
I notice that Tito declined to comment on Damon. That, to me, sounds more like this is planned as a block move over a real desire to acquire him. They don’t need a DH, he doesn’t play the field much, so its like the RS would be getting a high priced bench player.
Damon didn’t get great applause in his return to Boston since joining the Tigers, yet he was hearing a lot of applause and people standing when he went to Yankee Stadium. He gets paid either way, though the RS will probably have to sweeten the deal for him to waive his NTC.
It will be interesting to see what happens, but I am leaning toward Damon staying with the Tigers.
SJ44 August 23rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Ray,
I think that’s more a case of Pena playing more 3B than Nunez and Nunez being more comfortable, especialy on turf, at SS.
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Why would Nunez be more comfortable on turf? He plays all his home games at SWB on the same grass field the Yankees use in NY.
He was doing what Cervelli does after a strikeout. What a bitch.
Did anyone else notice the fist-pumps at home-plate in front of Cervelli?