Pitching matchups in Toronto
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 23, 2010 
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Tonight
RHP Ivan Nova (0-0, 0.00)
vs.
RHP Brandon Morrow (9-6, 4.45)
7:07 p.m., YES Network
Tuesday
RHP Dustin Moseley (3-2, 4.76)
vs.
LHP Mark Rzepczynski (1-1, 4.76)
7:07 p.m., MY9
Wednesday
RHP Phil Hughes (15-5, 3.90)
vs.
LHP Brett Cecil (10-6, 3.90)
7:07 p.m., YES Network
Associated Press photo of Hughes
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:23 am
Rangers, Angels, Mets, Cubs, Red Sox, A Dark Horse Team Looking To Make a Splash, White Sox.
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Red Soxs and Mets are not paying Lee 23 million, Angles didn’t pay CC 23 million when the market was still good. White Soxs no. Maybe Texas because they will feel the must because they traded for him but we have no idea what the new owner ship will be like.
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Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am
I agree with Halladay basically, but he knew he was a year away from being a bidding war item! He wanted to be a Philly and pitch in the NL!
CC seems to have put down deep roots in NY, so opting out doesn?t appear to be a real threat. Things could change of course. I believe CC stays & maybe gets a Thank-You extension from the Yankees for a year or two. Lee will get $20M/yr with the Yanks IMO. No more than $24M. I feel that Lee may get length to his contract before he gets more dollars.
well as long as the yankees have seen those three pitchers or they arent names felix hernandez, they should be ok.
Texas has already claimed they are going to bid up Lee. That puts pressure on the Yankees. I think its gonna be like 6 / 150
or something similiar. CC will get a 2 year extension added onto his deal following 2011.
Kevin_Goldstein #Yankees drop some big coin in Asia, signing 16-year-old SS Tzu-Wei Lin out of Taiwan for $350K; MVP of recent IBAF tourney in Canada.
lee isnt getting more length. i doubt the yankees want more way too long contracts.
at best, lee gets 4/84. More than Halladay but less than CC.
The pesky Jays have given the Yankees all they could handle this year but I like the Yanks chances to take two of three. A lot hinges on how Nova performs tonight. If he can give them 6 decent innings, keeping the ball on the ground, the Yanks will be in business. Situational hitting is not exactly the Jays strong suit, as many others have pointed out.
Hot Rod Nova!
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Hopefully its a “Nova SS 396?
Saw him pitch in his last start here in Columbus. He looked great for his first 6 innings, hitting 93-95 on the gun. He tired in the 7th and walked a couple of guys. Only a couple of balls were even hit hard against him. Looking forward to seeing him pitch tonight.
I bet the highest most teams will be willing to go for with Lee will be 5-6 years at 20 million. If Lee agent thinks the conversation starts at 23 million he needs to put down the crack pipe.
Teams in the fray for Cliff Lee & % chance of signing him IMO.
Yankees (90%)
CWS (1.5%)
Reds (1.5%)
LAD (1%)
LAA (1%)
Mets (1%)
Rangers (1%)
RedSox (1%)
SF (1%)
Twins (1%)
by Ben Badler
Dominican shortstop Christopher Tamarez has agreed to terms with the Yankees for $650,000.
Tamarez, 16, is a 6-foot-1, 175-pound rigthanded hitter who played in the Dominican Prospect League. Tamarez has a wiry frame and was considered one of the better overall athletes in Latin America this year.
Ivan NovaCaine will numb the Toronto hitters and silence their bats.
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 11:33 am
Texas has already claimed they are going to bid up Lee. That puts pressure on the Yankees. I think its gonna be like 6 / 150
or something similiar. CC will get a 2 year extension added onto his deal following 2011.
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Thats an opinion who knows what happens with the CC deal. My point was that the conversation will not start with 23 million dollars for Lee as you claim it will.
Between this yr’s draft and now these 2 IFA signings, the Yanks are attacking the SS position. No shock, obviously.
CC-
Yanks just keep throwing stuff at the wall and hoping eventually someone will stick.
The more guys the better the chances someone emerges eventually.
CountryClub August 23rd, 2010 at 11:38 am
Thanks for the info! While they are drafting/signing SSs, it isn’t a sure thing they will remain as a SS. Most SS are the best talented athelete and not necessarily best suited player or MLB SS. Mantle was a SS & we know how he fared there LOL! As a SS he was a great CF! Posada was a SS & so was Tom Tresh! All changed positions.
My HS friend was a great 2B and an average SS, but the coach played him as a SS because he wouldn’t get a scholarship as a 2B.
MTU is now a poet as well. Good morning.
MTU,
It’s smart. A few years ago they started to stockpile arms and catchers. Now they’ve moved to SS’s and CF’s. They’re already pretty strong at 2nd and obviously have a player in his prime that’s not going anywhere anytime soon. The up the middle positions are the hardest to fill. So you get as much high end talent as you can and you hope a few pan out.
And if you get lucky, and a couple develop at each spot, you can use them as trade chips or you can move them. A SS could move to 2nd or a CFer could easily move to left or right.
Run support tonight for Ivan Nova. Waiting for big innings doesn’t do it. Keep chipping away at Morrow.
Bobby Mercer, also a SS – and yes we all know were that led.
Al-
A poet who didn’t know it. The real poet is BronxBorn.
How are you today Al ?
Did you see this morning’s travelog ?
I don’t think Lee will get a larger deal than CC.
As far as Texas’ ability to bid up the price, that’s mor big talk than reality.
Between taking on more unsecured debt than they originally set out to in their original bid for the team, and to ward off Mark Cuban’s bid, they paid almost 80 million more for the franchise than desired.
That will directly affect their efforts to keep Lee because his contract will will be considered “long term debt” to their lenders.
That affects their debt ratio, which is just about at the max MLB allows for it’s teams.
Publicly, of course they are going to state they are “all in” for Lee.
Realistically though, it’s going to be very tough for them to outbid the Yankees on this one.
I’m glad to see the Yankees try to repair the damage they have caused to their relationship to Taiwan.
Good luck, Tzu-wei!
September call-up in 2016?
No not yet, was is on this thread?
RayVT,
Very true. I echo your opinion in my previous post.
“If Lee agent thinks the conversation starts at 23 million he needs to put down the crack pipe.”
Hahaha, lots of drug talk on the blog this morning. You guys sure you’re all getting your regular fix? Or was it just that kinda weekend?
Talking of Taiwan, any info on how Wang is doing?
CC-
Yes sir. Agree completely. As many have pointed out, it takes many prospects to produce just a few lucky enough, and good enough to make the Parent club.
Most fail for one reason or another. Value in all sorts of ways though.
Nova, Moseley, and Hughes… wow… this is going to be an interesting series to say the least. Potentially good and potentially terrible… which side are you on?
Wang is doing great: making good money while not appearing in public in a Nationals uniform.
“Talking of Taiwan, any info on how Wang is doing?”
Riggelman said about 10 days ago he didn;t expect him to pitch this year and if he could it would be a welcome surprise.
AL-
Previous two. Sorry. JCPD pitched in with some as well. He’s really stepped up his game. Enjoy.
MTU -
Saw the pictures, get as usual. Thanks for sharing.
Nick & Pat – thanks for the info on Wang
Wang isn’t supposed to pitch this yr. Originally they had said mid yr 2010. But now it looks like he won’t make it back until 2011.
great – not get
Al-
My pleasure. You’re welcome.
Wang was one of my favorite players, and one wonders what our rotation would look like with Wang in his prime, minus the injury.
Poor Wang. Always liked him and wish him well, but really doubt he will be able to come back as anywhere near the pitcher he was those two years he was the Yankees de facto ace.
What a shame.
Check it out, in the final two matchups of the series, the starters have the same exact ERAs. Interesting.
I hope the Yankees give some thought to having Darvish pitch with a MLB baseball. There’s a significant difference in size and weight. That could be a reason that so few Japanese pitchers fail to adapt or live up to their promise. That and the fact that they only pitch once a week.
GB-
But whirling Darvish has a Gyroball. Can’t miss.
I saw Nova live here against the Mud Hens on Friday the 13th. 7 innings, 1 hit, 1 walk, 8 Ks. Very impressive. Can’t wait to watch tonight.
Also was at NYS Wednesday to see the Yanks beat Detroit. That was an awesome trip.
I loved Wang so much.. I heard that Yanks let him go because privately they thought his arm was totally shot. Not sure how valid that was, but by the looks of it, after missing almost 2 full seasons, the kid has a tough road ahead of him.
GB-
“That and the fact that they only pitch once a week.”
Isn’t Dice-K still doin’ that ?
Which A.J. Burnett show up for the White Sox series in Chicago ? The thought of 3 more years is unsettling.
5 years/$82.5M (2009-13)
5 years/$82.5M (2009-13)
signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/12/08
09-13:$16.5M annually
limited no-trade clause (Burnett may block deals to 10 clubs each year)
MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
GB-
But whirling Darvish has a Gyroball. Can’t miss.
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I’d rather he had a curve ball and fastball. Doubtful that Gyroball will “balance” out his repertoire.
cowherd said that he heard from a very reliable source that Lee was on the phone with CC trying to get housing in his neighborhood when he found out he was going to Texas…said he doesn’t like the heat in Texas and wants to play in NY…
sunny615 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am
Nova, Moseley, and Hughes? wow? this is going to be an interesting series to say the least. Potentially good and potentially terrible? which side are you on?
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To tell you the truth, I’m just counting down the days ’til they come to Chicago.
Nick in SF August 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am
Wang is doing great: making good money while not appearing in public in a Nationals uniform.
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Why is everyone so concerned about a player’s contract? You’re not footing the bill and it hasn’t stopped the Steinbrenners from signing anybody they really wanted.
There are a couple of homes in CC’s neighborhood in Alpine, NJ that are on the block.
Perhaps CC can extend him a loan to secure one of them now so he doesn’t miss out! lol
Blake-
“said he doesn’t like the heat in Texas and wants to play in NY…”
That and he’ll like all the extra greenery he’ll get while living in NY.
Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Nick in SF August 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am
Wang is doing great: making good money while not appearing in public in a Nationals uniform.
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It could be worse. He could be trying to cash a check from the Mets while wearing their uniform. Now that would be embaras sing.
GB -
I don’t believe that the Yankees (or any other team) are allowed to ask Darvish to do anything – all they can do is watch.
It’s sort of like going to a college game; you know that the kid is using a bat he won’t use in the pros, so you have to skew your evaluations to compensate.
SJ,
I think you said something similar to that months ago…are you the reliable source?
I’d say CC could do that for his buddy.
You knew that the Yankees had some serious reservations about CM Wang long before he got hurt. Wang and Cano came up at the same time and by all measure Wang had the better entry into the majors but the Yankees chose to give Cano the long term deal and let Wang go year by year, despite Brian saying over and over again how important it was to develop pitching.
Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 12:16 pm
GB -
I don’t believe that the Yankees (or any other team) are allowed to ask Darvish to do anything – all they can do is watch.
It’s sort of like going to a college game; you know that the kid is using a bat he won’t use in the pros, so you have to skew your evaluations to compensate.
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There are enough Summer baseball leagues that have the hitters using wooden bats to get an idea of what they can do. If a pitcher can’t get used to an anerican baseball, they’re wasting their time and money. I’d imagine that was part of Igawa’s issue, trying to get used to a larger, heavier baseball.
Lee, imo, will not get a CC deal in neither years or AAV.
The Yanks I think would like to get him for 5yrs tops and AAV 20-22mil.
The list of potential suitors for Lee’s services is smaller than most think as The Mets,Dodgers,RedSox and Angels will not have the $ to spend for various reasons.
The Angels made their move in acquiring Haren @ 12.5 mil per for the next 2years.
The Mets will not increase payroll and will pay a combined 52mil to Beltran, KRod, Castillo and Ollie Perez and will be looking to trim payroll with 4 immovable contracts.
The Dodgers and the “War of the McCourts” will continue although Manny comes off the books the Dodgers need to upgrade their lineup more than the pitching if they can spend some $.
The RedSox have way to many holes in their offense and way too much $ already tied up in their staff to add Lee. They will hope that Beckett and Lackey bounce back and Lester and Laptop keep improving and the Dice K gives them 180+ innings out of the # 5 hole.
There is no way that the WhiteSox or say the Cubs can compete $ wise with the Yanks and so I think Lee is a gimme for Hal and Ca$h.
Blake,
lol. No but, I think I have pretty good sources on this one.
I don’t think it’s a 100% thing.
However, I would be shocked if he didn’t sign with the Yankees this off-season.
It would be a real departure from his desired plans.
Hi, Doreen, reckon I will try GTLU again
[or is it MUTLU again?] hahaha
[1]LF Brett the Jet
[2]SS Jeter the… well, not jet anyway
[3]1B Thunderfoot Tex
[4]2B Erin’s PBF, Cano Donchaknow?
[5]RF Swish, Son of Steve
[6]C ‘Sado
[7]DH Kearnsie
[8]CF Granderson Leatherman [now with improved swing!]
[9]3B “New Guy” Nunez
Hey, Look, Erin: we have the same lineup!! hahahaha
I did not want to hear and Ill-Noise hahaha get it?
“Lee was on the phone with CC trying to get housing in his neighborhood when he found out he was going to Texas?”
The Mrs.’ had already made the calls for the Lee’s to move into Johnny Damon’s house.
GB-
” I’d imagine that was part of Igawa’s issue, trying to get used to a larger, heavier baseball.”
C’mon GB. Give the poor guys a break they don’t much to eat over there other than raw fish and noodles. And they just don’t have enough room to use the bigger balls.
Chuck58 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Hey, Look, Erin: we have the same lineup!! hahahaha
I did not want to hear and Ill-Noise hahaha get it?
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LOL This is good!!
BTW, very nice touch with #4 in your lineup.
Looks as though he has lots of pitches, to go along with his potential.
Yu Darvish is a starting pitcher for the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters who has appeared in the Olympics. At 22 years of age, he is widely heralded as the ace for the Fighters, as well as one of the top hurlers in Japanese baseball. He throws a low-90s (91-93 MPH) fastball (tops out at 97 mph), along with a slider, curveball, sinker (shuuto), cutter and splitter. Though his slider is noted to be of high quality, his command and control have had continued development since his rookie season. His frame also shows potential for further speed on his fastball.
The 2009 Marlins had Major League Players’ compensation of 43 million. Their cut of revenue sharing was 43.97 million. And year before that was a players’ compensation of 29.74 million versus revenue sharing cut of 47.98 mil.
LORIAAAAAAAA
“Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Chuck58 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Hey, Look, Erin: we have the same lineup!! hahahaha
I did not want to hear and Ill-Noise hahaha get it?
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LOL This is good!!
BTW, very nice touch with #4 in your lineup. ”
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Why thank you, kind ma’am and MUTLUPT-M
["Mess Up The Line Up Pretend Team-Mate" ]
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 12:16 pm
GB -
I don’t believe that the Yankees (or any other team) are allowed to ask Darvish to do anything – all they can do is watch.
It’s sort of like going to a college game; you know that the kid is using a bat he won’t use in the pros, so you have to skew your evaluations to compensate.
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There are enough Summer baseball leagues that have the hitters using wooden bats to get an idea of what they can do. If a pitcher can?t get used to an anerican baseball, they?re wasting their time and money. I?d imagine that was part of Igawa?s issue, trying to get used to a larger, heavier baseball.
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Well that and Igawa was a junk ball pitcher.
Darvish on the other hand is a power guy with a nasty slider.
Whether or not he throws an American baseball will depend on what his team wants to do when they post him
The 2009 Marlins had Major League Players’ compensation of 43 million. Their cut of revenue sharing was 43.97 million. And year before that was a players’ compensation of 29.74 million versus revenue sharing cut of 47.98 mil.
LORIAAAAAAAA
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The Mariners were the team that MLB demanded they start spending more money, correct?
Ledger_Yankees Chatting up the customs agent aboot the Jays. Says he wishes they weren’t in the AL East. I said, “cheque a map lately?” He laughed.
I hope we show interest in Yu Darvish, only to drive the bids up for other teams.
Once burned, twice shy, even if Yu DOES have a better arm than Sunglasses.
Chuck58 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Why thank you, kind ma?am and MUTLUPT-M
["Mess Up The Line Up Pretend Team-Mate" ]
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Nice.
Chip-
Are you saying that instead of just whirling, Darvish actually rears back and throws like an American-style pitcher ?
GTLU
Gardner – LF
Jeter – SS
Tex – 1b
Cano – 2b
Swisher – RF
Posada – C
Granderson – CF
Kearns – DH
Nunez – 3b
Who’s writing Darvish’s press releases? His father? Every player that comes out of Japan is the next somebody. Irabu was the “Japanese Nolan Ryan”. The closest he ever got to Nolan Ryan was a catchy nickname and he was over 6 feet tall. Every Japanese pitcher throws at least 7 pitches that have names and at least 6 more pitches that are so secret that they don’t have names. I have no interest in the Yankees signing him until they can figure out if he can adapt to that baseball. Either that or they end up with Hideki Matsuigawa.
Also, Darvish is 6’5″, and growing, while Igawa is 6’1″ and not built to be a power pitcher, his weight is all in his waist line.
GTLU
LF GGBG
SS Jeet
1B Tex
2B Robbie lovin the clean up spot Cano
RF Swish
C Po
DH Kearns
CF Grandy
3B Pena
thanks Doreen
love your line up guesses Chuck, they always make me smile
MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Chip-
Are you saying that instead of just whirling, Darvish actually rears back and throws like an American-style pitcher ?
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That’s correct, I’m saying he’s not a whirling Darvish
Here’s a youtube clip of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g
“The Mariners were the team that MLB demanded they start spending more money, correct?”
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Well, Marlins, but yes, you’re right!
http://www.miamiherald.com/201.....-need.html
GB-
“Either that or they end up with Hideki Matsuigawa.”
Actually, he’s really good because he can hit.
It’s Matsuzakagawa you were really thinkg of.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Who?s writing Darvish?s press releases? His father? Every player that comes out of Japan is the next somebody. Irabu was the ?Japanese Nolan Ryan?. The closest he ever got to Nolan Ryan was a catchy nickname and he was over 6 feet tall. Every Japanese pitcher throws at least 7 pitches that have names and at least 6 more pitches that are so secret that they don?t have names. I have no interest in the Yankees signing him until they can figure out if he can adapt to that baseball. Either that or they end up with Hideki Matsuigawa.
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It’s no different then the hype that surrounds American prospects – Strausburg for example.
Chip-
I was just pullin’ your leg.
Al-
But what about those sunglasses ?
Hideki Matsuigawa – a Japanese pitcher that costs a ton of money, and provides nothing in return. I like that.
Let Darvish go to Boston. They have so much success with Japanese pitchers….at least for one year.
MTU – He wears them all the time, even when indoors in dark places. Perhaps his sensitivity to light is why he can’t throw strikes. This guy has zero personallity, and was always the brunt of jokes in SWB.
Erin August 23rd, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Chuck58 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Why thank you, kind ma?am and MUTLUPT-M
["Mess Up The Line Up Pretend Team-Mate" ]
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Nice.
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Aw, gee :blushes:
Yer pretty nice, too
Yeah, Marlins. I’m not even sure how I typed Mariners by accident.
GB-
Darvish actually could be a Dervish because his father is from the Middle East. In that case, he could be a Dervish Darvish, or something like that.
“upstate kate August 23rd, 2010 at 12:38 pm
GTLU
2B Robbie lovin the clean up spot Cano
love your line up guesses Chuck, they always make me smile”
Thank you, Kate
You got a pretty good one today on Robbie, donchaknow?
I love our chances in Toronto – because Vasquez and AJ aren’t pitching.
Al-
I always thought he had a secret deal going with Ray Ban (Japanese rep).
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Let Darvish go to Boston. They have so much success with Japanese pitchers?.at least for one year.
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That’s a silly sentiment.
It’s like saying you don’t want a top pitching prospect because you’re not sure how his stuff would translate from college to pro ball.
granted there’s more money on the line, but money’s not really a big stumbling block for the Yankees
Chip-
The track record for Japanes pitchers in America is not really very good. Maybe this guy is the exception but wasn’t Dice-K supposed to be also ? Wasn’t he the Japanese version of “sliced bread”.
Chuck58 August 23rd, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Yer pretty nice, too
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Thank you!
Japanese. sorry. another of my world famous typos.
GTLU
Gardner – LF
Jeter – SS
Tex – 1b
Cano – 2b
Swisher – RF
Posada – C
Granderson – CF
Kearns – DH
Nunez – 3b
Doreen,
Here is my line-up:
Gardner LF
Derek SS
Tex 1B
Robbie 2B
Swisher RF
Posada C
Kearns DH
Granderson CF
Pena 3B
Thanks
I think that’s the thing with Darvish…can you sign him for around what a top college pitching prospect would command?..if not then I’m letting someone else take that risk because their history suggests that over time they don’t make the transition to pitching in the big leagues very well. JMO.
Hope Nova does as well tonight against the Toronto line-up as rookie pitchers do to the Yankees
Everything I’ve read about Darvish (and correctly me if I’m wrong) indicates he’ll get more than Matsuzaka got from Boston.
I don’t see him + Lee being a realistic offseason.
What is Andy’s current timetable for a return?
Minor league schedule ends Labor Day weekend. Simulated games if not before then?
Andy and Alex rehab games in the minors would be some gate for one or more of the farm teams.
Blake-
I hear you worked with NovaCaine, and taught him how to numb the Blue Jays. You sly fox you.
With Sabathia, Hughes, Brackman, Banuelos and Betances, the Yankees will be rocking 5 aces by 2013. No need for Darvish…
Right?
Who’s with me?
Anyone?
Blake, maybe so on the contract, but there is also the posting fee paid to the owning club [Nippon Ham]…. in Dicey’s case, the Red Sox had the top bid of $51.1 mil and THEN had to negotiate a contract with him.
Then again, we have some big guns over there checking him out….
MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
GB-
Darvish actually could be a Dervish because his father is from the Middle East. In that case, he could be a Dervish Darvish, or something like that.
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Given the history and previous overblown publicity of these pitchers, perhaps Darvish’s US nickname should be “Scirrocco” (Hot Wind).
“SuperNova”…. “Novacaine”. Good ones!
Hope we see Ivan the Great [and not Ivan the Terrible]
Darvish is way more a bet than Igawa or Matsuzaka. He has better stuff, and he pitches aggressively. Matsuzaka gets to 2 strikes then stays out of the zone trying to get you to chase.
Igawa pitched up in the zone (a large NPB zone) and I dont know why scouts didnt realize that was going to bite him.
sunny615 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am
Nova, Moseley, and Hughes… wow… this is going to be an interesting series to say the least. Potentially good and potentially terrible… which side are you on?
Wouldn’t it make a pleasant change to see a team other than the Yankees struggle against a pitcher they’ve never faced before tonight? I wish Ivan the best of luck but I have a feeling this is going to be a very tough week for the Yanks. They’ve been outplayed by the Jays so far this season and Nova and Moseley can hardly be expected to throw a shut-out. The Jays have such home-run power that they won’t get away wi9th too many mistakes. I seem to recall us losing 3-1 in Chicago last year and right now, the White Sox are desperately trying to hang on to the coat-tails of the Twins in the AL Central. If the Yanks emerge from the week 3-3, it will have been a good road trip. Whatever happens, at least they have a 10-game home stand to look forward to on their return and an opportunity to put some more distance between themselves and the Sox (who, incidentally, are in Tampa this weekend).
MTU August 23rd, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Chip-
The track record for Japanes pitchers in America is not really very good. Maybe this guy is the exception but wasn?t Dice-K supposed to be also ? Wasn?t he the Japanese version of ?sliced bread?.
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MTU –
Nomo and Sasaki were very good
Dice is league average
Igawa and Irabu were busts
I don’t know that it’s all that different an attrition rate than you get with Cuban pitchers or even American prospects.
For every El Duque there’s a Jose Contreras; for every Phil Hughes there’s a Homer Bailey.
GB-
In all seriousness. They sure are putting a lot of eyes on this kid.
Don’t want to see another Igawa-type failure though. that’s for sure.
Darvish needs to eat some food, someone feed him quick.
blake August 23rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I think that?s the thing with Darvish?can you sign him for around what a top college pitching prospect would command?..if not then I?m letting someone else take that risk because their history suggests that over time they don?t make the transition to pitching in the big leagues very well. JMO.
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I think that’s a fine opinion if you’re rooting for the Nationals – but how many players have the Yankees not gotten because of the money they paid Igawa? How many players have the Red Sox shied away from because of what they’re paying Dice?
Chip-
OK. I’m convinced.I give up. Now can we get just back to music. Got any more tunes for me ?
Matsuzaka is looking quite bust like overall, but you never know what would have happened if he came to the Yankees and did not have to deal with the draconian red sox throwing program. And had the instruction of the yankee coaches and the support of guys like Matsui.
And while I think he is lucky as hell and joba-like in his 5 IP 120 Pitch performances, he has shown above average skills at King guys and not giving up hits.
Cliff Lee is amazing, but I don’t want to sign him if only to avoid the stigma of “buying players” that everyone complains about every year.
The baseball season isn’t as fun, in my opinion, if we’re the heavy favorites every year. Having Cliff Lee and CC Sabathia (unlike when the Indians had them) would be an absolute monster rotation with AJ, Phil Hughes and, hopefully, Andy Pettitte.
Yes, Toronto has outplayed the Yankees at every step. They have that massive 5-4 lead in wins. Never mind that the Yanks have outscored then 44-39.
I’m tired of winning and not gaining any ground. The Rays need to start losing.
Darvish? Why? We’ve got CC, possibly Lee, Hughes, AJ. Surely we can fill out the 5th & 6th slots inhouse.
Darvish? Why?
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Can’t ever get enough pitching, and I want a japanese phenom. I like interesting foreign players.
“Mark-Cant Touch This August 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Darvish needs to eat some food, someone feed him quick.”
Um, he’s employed by Nippon Ham….
“Mark-Cant Touch This August 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Darvish needs to eat some food, someone feed him quick.”
Um, he’s employed by Nippon Ham….
MTU,
I like it!
Chip,
I see your point but at the same time the Yankees aren’t in the business of wasting money either…the same argument was made about Chapman a few months ago and the Yankees passed…..
Dang, sorry for the double-header :-p
Additionally Darvish might not even be posted, and won’t be a free agent until he is 28 in 2014.
charlestonchew August 23rd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Cliff Lee is amazing, but I don’t want to sign him if only to avoid the stigma of “buying players” that everyone complains about every year.
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That’s a joke statement – Right?
Chapman was a prospect, the yankees weren’t going to pay 30 mil for a guy they felt had to be in the minors and might have to be a reliever.
Darvish is like Ichiro or Matsui, a guy who can come over and fill in immediately.
Pirates make it rich by losing. (shocker)
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5484947
blurb:
“The numbers indicate why people are suspecting they’re taking money from baseball and keeping it — they don’t spend it on the players,” said David Berri, president of the North American Association of Sports Economists and the author of two books detailing the relationship between finances and winning. “Teams have a choice. They can seek to maximize winning, what the Yankees do, or you can be the Pirates and make as much money as you can in your market. The Pirates aren’t trying to win.”
Because when you say “no need for _______, we’re stuffed with pitching”, you’re not as accurate as when you say “we can never have too much pitching.”
Or they just want to drive up the price.
Blake-
I thought you would. Another advantage is that if Nova goes inside and happens to drill someone they won’t even know it.
Like I said you’re a sly devil.
MTU -
Yes, in Japan the sun glasses will be known as; Kei Ban, and they’ll be all over the place, but never hit home.
“The Rays need to start losing”
Then you better hope Kazmir wants to show his old team a thing or 2 and Matsui and Abreu are willing to help out old friends.
Chuck58 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 pm
“Mark-Cant Touch This August 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Darvish needs to eat some food, someone feed him quick.”
Um, he’s employed by Nippon Ham
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They don’t eat the ham…they only fight with it.
GB-
I think Darvish is maybe more likely to be a huge “fee-nom” than he is just a phenom.
jerkface,
How do you know that?
M
much as I don’t like the Angels (my 2nd least favorite team) I am hoping they win a few against the Rays…I guess I can just cheer for Bobby and Sui
How do you know that?
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Are you talking about Chapman? That is what was reported.
MLB needs to change revenue sharing, by stating all money received via revenue sharing MUST go into player development and salaries to improve the team. These owners are getting rich, while keeping a poor product on the field. This is not fair to the cities that support their team, nor the players having to endure playing on such teams, until they reach FA. IMO.
The Yanks have been burned 3 times on Japanese pitchers. Why make it four?
Agreed with GB on Darvish.
No interest in him whatsoever without knowing how he would adapt to pitching in the bigs.
The comparison of Japanese pitchers to college pitchers is ridiculous. Darvish would make at least 10x times more money than a Top 5 pitcher in the draft and it’s very likely that he would have to be put on the 40-man roster immediately.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Chuck58 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 pm
“Mark-Cant Touch This August 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Darvish needs to eat some food, someone feed him quick.”
Um, he’s employed by Nippon Ham
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They don’t eat the ham…they only fight with it.
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Does that mean they are “Ham-Fisted”? hahahahahaha
no, how do you know Darvish could come over here and immediately have an impact?
I guess the talk about Darvish is because of this?
http://twitter.com/npbtracker/status/21701392361
Yankees send Damon Oppenheimer and scout Billy Eppler to watch Yu Darvish
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He has said in the past that he does not want to play in MLB/USA. But maybe that was just the idealism of his youth talking.
Ok – so you may (or may not) have noticed that I haven’t been around as much lately – lots of work and long hours…turns out it was worth it.
Just got the promotion I’d been killing myself for
Can’t celebrate here or really until I get home this weekend, but just had to share with someone(s)
Al-
Lol. I have to get me an autographed pair before he returns to land of the rising Sun . Strictly for old times sake and display purposes only. Imagine having the only pair of Kei Ban’s in the US. Think of the possibilities.
Yay!! Rishi, congratulations
Congrats, Rishi. I hope you wrote a LoHud clause into your new contract.
Giuseppe Franco August 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Agreed with GB on Darvish.
No interest in him whatsoever without knowing how he would adapt to pitching in the bigs.
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How can you determine this, other than his pitching in international comp, and you can see him up against top MLB hitters. Dice-k pitched against top players, and was great. As with any prospect, it’s a gamble, but, with the post system, much more money is at stake.
Not being prickly. But that’s not what I said, Nick.
I said, that we surely can fill the 5th & 6th slots inhouse.
The implied statement is that we don’t need to spend 10′s of millions to round out the rotation.
Rishi-
Congrats and best of luck.
Rishi!
I did notice and congratulations!
Good job, Rishi! Now you can pay for my Insider account. Because you’ll be too busy working to give up the skinny.
Congrats Rishi
Darvish will be a cheaper buy than Dice K just for the simple fact that teams realize just how much of an over pay Dice K was for the Red Sox.
Even if he is regarded a better prospect NO TEAM will repeat the mistake of bidding $50+ mil just to talk to a player that has never played american pro ball before.
I’ve seen Darvish live in the World Baseball Classic games and he looks legit to me. His fastball was 94-95 and had some movement and he seemed to attack the zone as opposed to nibbling the corners.
I could see the Mariners, Dodgers, Giants and Nats being hot for him.
Congratulations Rishi!!
no, how do you know Darvish could come over here and immediately have an impact?
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Because he will have more than 1000 IP under his belt in a league that inbetween AAA and the majors in terms of difficulty, something which no college or minor league pitcher is going to have?
Are you doubting that he could come to America and throw 200 IP? 150 IP? Ichiro came over and was very good, exactly as advertised, Matsui came over and was useful and then improved. Daisuke came over and had growing pains but overall was a success.
Even Irabu was good for 1 season. Kawakami, Uehara, Kuroda, Okajima, Sasaki, saito, nomo, hasegawa, shingo takatsu.
Plenty of Japanese players have come over and made an impact/been valuable. Its very rare for them to bomb completely.
And Yu Darvish has SICK stuff. Even if you give him a 1.5 run jump in coming over to the majors he will be in the top 25 of pitchers. And he is young.
This isn’t Igawa. Igawa never had premeire stuff, he was supposed to be a #5.
Rishi,
Congratulations on your promotion. Best of luck
If Darvish required the type of financial commitment that Dice K commanded, I pass on him and spend that kind of coin on proven major league free agents who you know can pitch over here.
If you can get him for Igawa money, you take a shot and hope you catch lightning in a bottle.
You can never have enough top tier starting pitching.
While I’m excited for the future of Brackman, Betances, and Banuelos, declaring them 3 future aces right now is silly. A lot can happen between now and then.
The main thing is sign Lee this off season. Lee, CC and Hughes at the top of the rotation is deadly.
“Plenty of Japanese players have come over and made an impact/been valuable. Its very rare for them to bomb completely. ”
While that is true, it how many Japanese pitchers live up to their billing? If DiceK cost 51 million, I wonder what Darvish would cost in a posting fee. I’d rather spread that investment around on a more international signings or a free agent that has a track record in the major leagues.
m, no worries, but I was referring to past statements of yours as per your accountability stance.
Of course they could fill those slots without spending $$$ on Darvish; then again they could fill every slot cheaply if they decided to fill out the rotation with Pirates castoffs instead of doing business the other way around.
So, if there is any legitimate interest in Darvish, about which I have no clue, it’ll come down to a cost/benefit calculation. He’d be worth the gamble up to a certain price and maybe it’s worth it to get some other team to pay a higher price (no clue if that really enters into their thinking but lots of us make comments to that effect here).
The secret bid on Darvish will be upwards of $60 mil and you can bet he won’t take less than that to sign for 6 years. That makes him 29 years old at the end. When has any team paid $120 mil for a college age player or a low minor league free agent? He plays in a league that’s not even rated as high as the Mexican summer leagues.
rishi – congrats. Hope things work out for you.
# BIG AL August 23rd, 2010 at 1:33 pm
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How can you determine this, other than his pitching in international comp, and you can see him up against top MLB hitters. Dice-k pitched against top players, and was great. As with any prospect, it’s a gamble, but, with the post system, much more money is at stake.
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Dice-K was great for one season. But what about now?
He’s their fifth starter and has had quite a few issues staying healthy. He’s just nothing special.
He’s gonna have to pitch more often in the bigs – once every 5 days. Not the “every Sunday” rule he’s had in Japan.
Another advantage with Darvish over Dice_K is age. Darvish is only 22 and could be trained to pitch as the MLB players are, where as others coming here later in their careers have a more set way of pitching, and may not be willing, or open, to change. Dice_K wasn’t.
Rishi-
If I would have known you wanted to work THAT hard I would have gladly given you my old job. The hell with just a promotion. You could have had a whole new career.
He plays in a league that?s not even rated as high as the Mexican summer leagues.
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This is not even close to a true statement.
You can name 3 and a half Japanese players that were were their cost.
GTLU
LF GGBG
SS Captain
1B Tex
2B Cano
RF Swish
C Po
DH Kearns
CF Grandy
3B Pena
thx doreen
jerkface,
I honestly don’t know what he would do and that’s the point. It depends on the price tag. The Yankees don’t need to take big risks on unproven players because they can afford the finished product. What they don’t want to happen is to pay big money for Darvish them have to pay big money again in 3 or 4 years to fill his rotation spot because he either never panned out or eroded to mediocrity after a couple years (every Asian starting pitcher to make the jump has done one or the other).
Cecil and Phil have the same ERAs, lol.
This is going to be a tough series. The Jays are a terrific offensive team with very good pitching – and they always play the Yanks tough.
Brandon Tierney and Jody McDonald were discussing on 1050 earlier who was more valuable, CC or Cano. Boy, that’s tough….. Then Tierney said if you take CC away from the Yanks they are a .500 team. Maybe – but then you’d have to do the same with Price/Rays, Lester/Sox, Lee/Wilson – Rangers, etc……. I understand choosing the everyday player, but even with CC the staff is hanging by a thread. It was a more interesting discussion than that which Joe Benigno had on WFAN with a caller who proposed a Johan/Cano trade. Joe ripped Cano apart, saying he’d be mediocre without a top lineup and a bandbox behind him.
Ichiro, Matsui, Nomo, Shingo, Hasegawa, kawakami, Kuroda, Sasaki, Okajima have all been worth what they were paid.
You could say the same thing for Americans. Was Jaret Wright worth his cost? Pavano?
Igawa will rise again…
Igawa will rise again…
That’s a Hell of a lot closer to the truth than saying he plays in a major league quality league. It’s High AA or low AAA at best. Look at the US washouts like Randy Bass, Tuffy Rhodes, Leon and Leron Lee that have gome over there and made a shambles of their leagues.
The Yankees need Lee – he’ s not a luxury. Therefore, the Rangers will have to print $$$ to outbid the Yankees.
You know, a lot of this stuff wouldnt even be an issue of MLB got a better handle on the drafting/signing systems they have in place regarding international players.
I am leary of this pitcher, Darvish.
Outside of Matsui (Hideki) and Ichiro, the rest have been up and down. Nomo started out ok, but faded over time. Irabu, DiceK, Okajima – up and down, also. While they’ve been serviceable, they’ve been nothing special over the course of their ML careers. I’m not going to get started on Igawa.
For that reason, I’d be leary of throwing big $$$ after this kid. I’d rather invest my money (not that it is) on Cliff Lee, who’s shown what he can do, and guys like Brackman, who you control directly and can project better. It’s not like the Yanks have no other options besides Darvish, after all.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
The Yanks have been burned 3 times on Japanese pitchers. Why make it four?
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Irabu, Igawa…who is 3?
Rish, congratulations!
That?s a Hell of a lot closer to the truth than saying he plays in a major league quality league. It?s High AA or low AAA at best
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I never said he played in a major league quality league but the NPB is consistently rated with a league factor above AAA and below the majors. Its basically AAAA. And sorry, some Americans can go over there and hit HRs, but few ‘make shambles of the league’. If it was easy to dominate the league there would be more wash outs ending up there. Alot of guys go there and smash some dingers but end up hitting for a low average. In 2008 the NPB top 50 hitters had 7 foreigners. And for every guy who goes over to japan with plate discipline and american muscle, there are guys that go there and continue to wash out.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
The Yanks have been burned 3 times on Japanese pitchers. Why make it four?
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Yankees have been burned by American free agent pitchers as well (Pavano, Karsay, Farnsworth, Wright, etc) should they stay away from American free agent pitchers too?
When Igawa returns to Japan, he will do so with shame. In Japan, if you go to the USA to do a job, and do not perform well, you are thought of as a disgrace to the nation. The people in Japan get up in the middle of the night to watch their players compete here.
Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Cecil and Phil have the same ERAs, lol.
This is going to be a tough series. The Jays are a terrific offensive team with very good pitching – and they always play the Yanks tough.
Brandon Tierney and Jody McDonald were discussing on 1050 earlier who was more valuable, CC or Cano. Boy, that’s tough….. Then Tierney said if you take CC away from the Yanks they are a .500 team. Maybe – but then you’d have to do the same with Price/Rays, Lester/Sox, Lee/Wilson – Rangers, etc……. I understand choosing the everyday player, but even with CC the staff is hanging by a thread. It was a more interesting discussion than that which Joe Benigno had on WFAN with a caller who proposed a Johan/Cano trade. Joe ripped Cano apart, saying he’d be mediocre without a top lineup and a bandbox behind him.
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I wonder if that idiot realizes than Cano gets almost no benefit out of playing in Yankee Stadium. He doesn’t hit many home runs down the line there or on the road. Most go from left center to right center. Perhaps he could check the hit charts over his career. Jeter hits more home runs into the short porches than Cano.
Jerkface, The point is that Japanese pitchers have not been over powering when they come to the US. Why take a 60 million dollar risk on a pitcher that has a 0 track record in the major leagues. It’s hard enough to pick pitchers to play in NY WITH a major league record. Other teams can risk it. Wouldn’t it be better to look into the international market and spread that money around?
The problem with japanese players is the gentleman’s agreement not to poach the young japanese prospects. A lot of guys over there have the skill to be good big leaguers, but come up in the NPB where things are all just slightly different.
They advocate swinging aggressively in the zone, which is why you get Americans smashing dingers, because they are laying off pitches they know they can’t drive that japanese players are happy to put into play. And due to the lack of japanese power, pitchers can get away with less stuff overall, but that is not to suggest there aren’t impact players in the NPB.
I’d take 5 players off of every NPB team in the yankee system.
Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 1:51 pm
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
The Yanks have been burned 3 times on Japanese pitchers. Why make it four?
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Irabu, Igawa…who is 3?
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Katsuhiro Maeda (Kats). He of the orange hair.
Noreaster August 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Jerkface, The point is that Japanese pitchers have not been over powering when they come to the US. Why take a 60 million dollar risk on a pitcher that has a 0 track record in the major leagues. It?s hard enough to pick pitchers to play in NY WITH a major league record. Other teams can risk it. Wouldn?t it be better to look into the international market and spread that money around?
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As opposed to only spending money on sure things like AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Steve Karsay, Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Myers?
GB, I generally like Joe, but today I had to turn him off. Either way, I couldn’t believe he actually had a discussion with the caller; that is about the dumbest proposed trade I’ve ever heard.
GB, I generally like Joe, but today I had to turn him off. Either way, I couldn’t believe he actually had a discussion with the caller; that is about the dumbest proposed trade I’ve ever heard.
The point is that Japanese pitchers have not been over powering when they come to the US.
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If another team gambles on Darvish and he pans out it isn’t going to change the NPB. It means the Yankees whiffed on their shot at a legit pitcher out of the NPB. The yankees have to make an informed decision on Darvish if he gets psoted or comes as a free agent, which I think they will. I am not necessarily advocating they bid if he is posted or signed if he is a free agent, I don’t know what the cost is seeing as how he isn’t posted and isn’t a Free Agent right now.
But the yankees can’t be scared to never take chances, they are the one team that can take almost unlimited chances.
I never questioned the Yankees interest in Darvish. Nor should they not do their due diligence in scouting.
Is Darvish better than any of CC, Lee, & Hughes? If not, then I don’t think it’s worth the cost.
And how did we go from the Yankees farm system to Pirates castoffs? Because for the most part, our castoffs are in the Pirates farm system.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Chip August 23rd, 2010 at 1:51 pm
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
The Yanks have been burned 3 times on Japanese pitchers. Why make it four?
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Irabu, Igawa…who is 3?
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Katsuhiro Maeda (Kats). He of the orange hair.
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Didn’t the Yankees trade him (and Ruben Rivera) for the rights to Irabu? From what I recall the kid kept getting hurt, it wasn’t a matter of him stinking – and he wasn’t a high cost guy like Irabu or Igawa.
I think the Yankees are correctly doing their due diligence on Darvish.
That said, if they sign Lee, I doubt they will make the kind of investment (posting fee + ML contract) on Darvish.
CC, Lee, AJ, and Hughes are givens for next year, assuming Lee signs.
I can’t see them paying huge dollars for a #5 pitcher.
Blue jays are a all for nothing lineup stop making them sound like the 1927 Yankees, they are 25th in BA, 24th in hits, and 29th in OBP they certainly can be pitched to.
To be honest the only guy who has been high cost is Daisuke. Every other japanese player has been cheap comparatively. Igawa wasn’t even that expensive.
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....ujpbGK0NSO
. So far the two trades the Yankees made before the July 31 deadline with Cleveland for Kerry Wood and Austin Kearns are working out very well. So, well, in fact that you could imagine the Yanks considering trying to sign both back as free agents after the season.
Wood has run off seven straight scoreless appearances and has deepened Joe Girardi?s pen. The Yanks have also been impressed with what a baseball gym rat Wood is; early to arrive, among the last to leave, clearly loving being in a pennant race.
His injury history is always a worry. But if he is willing to accept not being a closer, not receiving more than a one-year contract and getting just good, but not great money (think $3 million), then I can imagine the Yanks wanting the veteran righty back next year. It gives the team an option to close if anything were to happen to Mariano Rivera while also lessening the dependence on Joba Chamberlain and David Robertson. And the fact that Chamberlain and Robertson are around means the Yanks have the depth when the inevitable DL stint were to come for Wood. However, their bad experience this year with the injury-prone Nick Johnson could keep the Yanks from again dabbling with anyone who is hurt often.
Kearns has given the Yanks a righty hitter whom they trust to put in the outfield ? something they lost faith with on Marcus Thames. Kearns also has been a tough out.
The Yankee outfield next year ? barring trade ? again projects to lean left with Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson and Nick Swisher. So if Kearns were willing to return for, say, $1 million, there would be a job and about 200-250 plate appearances available in 2011.
As opposed to only spending money on sure things like AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Steve Karsay, Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Myers?
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Boy, talk about apples and oranges.
Burned or not, those guys all showed some kind of effectiveness against big league ballplayers.
Darvish has never thrown a single pitch in the bigs and he’ll make a ton more money than any of those guys you named, including Pavano.
LF Brett Gardner
SS Derek Jeter
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Robinson Cano
RF Nick Swisher
C Jorge Posada
DH Austin Kearns
CF Curtis Granderson
3B Eduardo Nunez
Unless Darvish gets posted this year you can forget about him on the yankees unless he becomes a free agent in 2014 when Burnett is off the books. But if he gets posted next year or the year after the yankees will have had nice long looks at the guys that are in AA and AAA right now and will make a decision.
Not a lot of quality pitching come into free agency the next 2 years.
As opposed to only spending money on sure things like AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Steve Karsay, Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Myers?
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Chip,
My point exactly. It’s hard enough to pick players to play in NY who actually play in the majors, vs spending 60 million just for the right to negotiate with a kid playing in a AA/AAA type league.
How long should it take to get MRI results? For some reason, I’ve been waiting since yesterday to hear the results re: Strasburg………
Maeda wasn’t traded. He just stunk up the joint after the first year.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....aeda.shtml
I’m not enthused about Darvish. IF we get Lee, then we have CC, Lee and Phil……..with possibly Andy back and AJ. That’s pretty darn good, assuming Phil doesn’t have one of those tough 2nd years that many pitchers have. If we get Lee and Andy doesn’t come back, then I don’t know, but Darvish is hardly a proven commodity. I wouldn’t trust him to be the strong asset we’d need ini the rotation. With the kids we have in our system, I don’t think the Yankees would seriously want to lock up most of the rotation………Why not just wait and see how a Brackman/Betances/Banuelos would do in a few years? Granted, they could all be busts, but I’m sure at least one of them will get a chance. Actually, with all the long-term contracts in the rotation, I don’t know how more than one of them would get a crack.
Gardner-LF
Jeter-SS
Tex-1B
Cano-2B
Swisher-RF
Posada-DH
Granderson-CF
Cervelli-C
Pena-3B
“If not, then I don’t think it’s worth the cost.”
What is the cost? At some number it is worth it (or worth the gamble) and at some number it is not. The Yanks will decide what that number is.
“And how did we go from the Yankees farm system to Pirates castoffs? Because for the most part, our castoffs are in the Pirates farm system.”
I am sorry I failed to make my point clearly. You said we could fill out the rotation cheaply inhouse. My point is that the entire rotation could be filled out cheaply if that was the goal, maybe super cheaply if they imported Pirates castoffs. But, as you I tried to say and you did say, the Yanks do business the other way around and exports cheap pitchers to the Pirates so they can have pitchers like CC, maybe Lee, Pettitte, AJ (
), etc.
“Given the recent play of theThe Yankees need Lee – he’ s not a luxury. Therefore, the Rangers will have to print $$$ to outbid the Yankees.”
There is a pretty wide chasm between necessity and luxury and I’d put Lee somewhere in-between.
Yanks CAN with/compete without him.
And I’m not as convinced of Pettitte’s retirement (even considering his current circumstances) as others.
Just for reference, Darvish has posted 3 consecutive 200 IP seasons with ERA under 2 and WHIPs under 1 while striking out 9 per 9 and walking less than 2.5 per 9. He throws hard, low in the zone.
I think he will be better than Matsuzaka. Significantly.
is Yu a free agent after this season, or we just speculating ‘if’ he becomes a free agency.
if the dude is going to cost 100 mil or more, i will pass. too big of unknown , i will give that money to Lee.
It’s just speculation right now; it’s not even known if he’ll be posted this year or not.
Do we even know if Darvish is going to br posted?
SJ, I have no issues with the Yankees checking Darvish out. as long as they do a better job than they did on the other three. If the guy has big hands and long fingers, that would go a long way in deciding if he can deal with the baseball. I sure as Hell don’t want to hear about any non-existent mystery pitch though. This is one that they need to make sure of.
Stuckey, I do think the Yankees need him.
CC – great.
AJ – he’s AJ
Andy – if he’s back, fine – but at 39, you can’t say what you’re going to get from him.
Phil – he certainly could be terrific, but many 2nd year pitchers regress – whether it’s because of the prior year’s workload or whatever, but it’s true.
That’s not a great rotation………
Darvish is a free agent after 2014 and can be posted each off-season until 2014.
What are Darvish’s numbers vs. gaijin???????
As opposed to only spending money on sure things like AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Steve Karsay, Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Myers?
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i would add Marte and Javy in there, so far they yanks hasn’t gotten their money worth on either of them.
albeit Marte’s brilliant post season.
would any other GM survived so many bad evaluations on pitching?
2011 wouldn’t be Phil Hughes’s second year in the majors.
Darvish originally stated he did not want to play in the USA, but has since renegged on that.
Thanks, Jerkface.
Are there any scouting reports on Darvish around? I know he pitched in the WBC…
Branyan’s upper decker was measured at 440 feet.
He should get bonus feet for height.
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Darvish is a free agent after 2014 and can be posted each off-season until 2014.
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2014 , dude that’s looking way ahead, i would not bother to expend so much energy on that hypothetical.
He looks pretty impressive in the WS.
Jason, I know – but this would be his 2nd year as a starter (in essence). I’m not saying he will regress, not at all, but if you look at the track records of young starters, they do often regress before they take off again.
2014 , dude that?s looking way ahead, i would not bother to expend so much energy on that hypothetical.
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Well the whole point is that he can be posted before 2014. And NPB teams are always looking for money help.
pat, I hope you saw my reply to your sad charge that I am insufficiently hororous to CC, our Ace pitcher who was unwanted by some LoHudders.
All this talk about next years rotation could be moot, if Nova pitches well, and the Yanks decide to promote him next year. With all the top prospects in our system, we may not need to go outside, other than Lee.
The rumor is, his Japanese team is getting closer to deciding to post him after this season because they need the money to survive.
I’m thinking that could be the case because Jean Afterman has excellent Japanese contacts and Oppenheimer and Eppler didn’t go to Japan on a whim.
That said, I think if he gets posted, and Bobby Valentine gets the Mariners job, I think he ends up in Seattle.
I believe the Mariners may be the team to beat for his services. Especially if the Yankees sign Lee.
Well the whole point is that he can be posted before 2014. And NPB teams are always looking for money help.
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well, we will have plenty time to debate that , when he is actually posted. i understand he makes a good academic argument .
Wikipedia says that Darvish throws a fastball, slider, 2 seamer, curveball, splitter, cutter and changeup. He use to throw a screwball but ditched it after he hurt his shoulder.
Last year, Burnett did exactly what he had done the year before, which was good enough to get at least 2 offers for $80 mil contracts. NYY knew that he could be erratic. He made his money in 3 of 5 post season games. .600 percentage is fine with me. This year, not so much, but, I’ll still take him every day over the alternative of last year, Derek Lowe.
Better than whining about Phil Hughes or something else. I hate old Randy, but he does bring up that sometimes arguing about the merits of a baseball decision is better than a lot of the other stuff that goes on.
A guy I’d really want from Japan is Iwase, a lefty that can hit 94 on the fastball and is currently a closer. He would be like okajima on steroids.
GB, I’m fine with AJ as the #5 or maybe even the #4, but my point was that the Yankees need Lee in part because AJ is inconsistent.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Last year, Burnett did exactly what he had done the year before, which was good enough to get at least 2 offers for $80 mil contracts. NYY knew that he could be erratic. He made his money in 3 of 5 post season games. .600 percentage is fine with me. This year, not so much, but, I’ll still take him every day over the alternative of last year, Derek Lowe.
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I would have taken neither, but I am not the GM of the Yankees.
Let’s be clear, Brackman/Betances/Banuelos are all front-end ceiling guys (with perhaps Ramirez behind them).
And now as of this really positive year for the system’s pitching, they have a plethora of what were once considered back-end guys, some of who has solidified that standing, some of who might have to be re-evaluated as middle of the rotations guys – guys like Warren and Noesi.
Then there’s guys like Nova, Stoneburner and Phelps.
Unlike in the past, when the Yankees had very few true prospects in their system, you could justify a cash and carry deal like cutting a $50m check just have the privelage of talking to him, with Hughes a potential anchor for years, Sabathia in the middle of his prime, cash to burn on proven free agents (like Lee) and unprecedented minor league depth, Yanks would likely have to be CONVINCED Darvish was the real deal (in a way perhaps they were not for Chapman).
This year, not so much, but, I?ll still take him every day over the alternative of last year, Derek Lowe.
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Good point on Burnett. The Yankees were caught between it last offseason. They really wanted to go all in on pitching and after getting CC and not retaining Moose they had to get 1 more guy.
It came down to who do you wanna overpay more? Lowe or Burnett? And Burnett was the obvious good choice there. Younger, with better stuff, and more recent AL East experience.
Couldn’t really predict he’d fall off the back of the truck so hard this season. Up and down as he is, he is really struggling right now.
Hate randy?????? That’s not good.
I agree with m that Darvish would probably not be worth the cost for the role he’d fill with the Yankees, yet someone will be paying it to get him someday (if he’s posted, if he’s changed his mind about coming to the USA, etc.), but with hopes he’ll fill a bigger role for them.
Betsy, Lee has nothing to do with Burnett. I was only stating that NYYs knew exactly what they were getting and he did his job in last year’s post season. This year, he’s not as good over 2 different stretches. What will he do this post season and next year/ I have no clue. He might be Cliff Lee like. Sabathia wasn’t always special in the last PS, either and neither was Pettitte.
Stuckey, yes I agree they would…..personally I would not do it.
I’m not going to bemoan AJ’s contract; he’s still one of my favorite players because he’s such a good guy. I would MUCH rather have him than Derek Lowe………..However, the Yanks have to assume that he’s going to be the same kind of pitcher (back-end of the rotation) next year that he’s been this year – at least, that’s what I would assume. If that’s the case, they really do need another pitcher……and Lee is that man.
“1:00pm: Damon has been claimed by an unknown team, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Tigers now have two days to make a trade with the claiming team, hand the player over with no return, or pull him back.”
You don’t think…?
Even Cliff Lee got hit for 5 runs in philly, just happened that Burnett was worse that day in the world series. The trick is getting enough pitchers with the potential to shut down a team together for the postseason.
Yankees totally have that this season if they get Pettitte back. I miss Andy.
GB, Lee has to do with Burnett – at least in terms of the discussion I was having with Stuckey. IMO, Lee is a need……for all the reasons I described above. I’m not even talking about the post-season.
“1:00pm: Damon has been claimed by an unknown team, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Tigers now have two days to make a trade with the claiming team, hand the player over with no return, or pull him back.”
You don’t think…?
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he can’t hurt, but unless he can backup 3b and play SS, i don’t see a spot on the team for him either.
Probably claimed by the Sox, lol
AJ and Lowe very similar.
Lowe – 11-11 ERA 4.32, IP 154, 74 ER, 14 HR, 99 SO, WHIP 1.39
AJ – 9-11, ERA 4.8, IP 148, 79 ER, 19 HR, 110 SO, WHIP 1.473
Given what AJ has contributed to winning #27, I’d stick with AJ.
AJ always has the potential to be overpowering, and this is what you need in the post season.
Damon Oppenheimer and Billy Eppler should bring along a few dozen major league baseballs and insist Darvish use them in any workouts before them.
Also gather as much info as possible about what he’s like off the field. Take any mystery out of a Japanese visit.
People had better not go to sleep on David Phelps. He has a lot of similarities to Catfish Hunter. He gets every ounce of value out of his talents, which is considerable.
“CC – great.
AJ – he’s AJ
Andy – if he’s back, fine – but at 39, you can’t say what you’re going to get from him.
Phil – he certainly could be terrific, but many 2nd year pitchers regress – whether it’s because of the prior year’s workload or whatever, but it’s true.
That’s not a great rotation………”
That’s not a great rotation is you assume the worst from Hughes and Pettitte.
I always talk about giving credence to what has happened as opposed to worrying about tomorrow, and this is one of those time.
Pettitte has been down for, what, 5 starts now? Burnett’s like a bell curve. Vasquez is again struggling and for about a week, the team stopped hitting. But they’re still doing fine and their “postseason cushion” is exactly what it was before Pettitte got hurt and Vasquez starting struggling again.
This is not luck or coincedence. It’s talent and depth.
I also have some hope for Burnett next year. I think this year is going to make him re-examine his seeming approach of “if I’m on I’m on and if not I’m not”. Almost like it took hitting rock bottom for Granderson to ask for help.
Can the yankees go to an 8 man rotation?
CC, Lee, Hughes, Pettitte, Burnett, Darvish, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos? 9 man rotation? Maybe they can go to a 7 man rotation and let Darvish start NPB style
Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 2:27 pm
GB, Lee has to do with Burnett – at least in terms of the discussion I was having with Stuckey. IMO, Lee is a need……for all the reasons I described above. I’m not even talking about the post-season.
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I didn’t say that Lee wasn’t a need. Burnett was available in the winter of 2008. Lee wasn’t. Burnett was the 2nd best FA option on that year’s pitching market.
Sabathia, Lee, Hughes, Burnett, and someone from within not names Joba…..
“However, the Yanks have to assume that he’s going to be the same kind of pitcher (back-end of the rotation) next year that he’s been this year – at least, that’s what I would assume. If that’s the case, they really do need another pitcher……and Lee is that man.”
Betsy, that’s exactly my point.
Considering how he, and Vasquez have been this year, and Pettitte’s injury, and all the worry we do about the offense, the Yankees have the best record in baseball.
Yanks aren’t on a run of luck. They maintain that position on merit.
interesting to see how the Seibu Lions used Dice-K’s $51,111,111.11 posting fee:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05.....lions.html
“Hey Dice-K, thanks for the toilets.”
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Can the yankees go to an 8 man rotation?
CC, Lee, Hughes, Pettitte, Burnett, Darvish, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos? 9 man rotation? Maybe they can go to a 7 man rotation and let Darvish start NPB style
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how come people always skipping Sam Militello in that same converation, He has so much movements on his pitches , it is Loco, esse.
Stuckey, that’s true. I think there’s a great possibility that Phil makes a leap forward again, but I think if you’re the Yankees you can’t assume that…….and it’s not just with Phil, but with any young pitcher. Same with Andy in terms of age…………If the “worst” happens, and the Yanks don’t have backups, then what? I’m simply saying that Cash needs to have a contingency plan in place……..
I want to make it clear that I am not saying that Phil would definitely struggle or it’s definite that Andy would feel his age……..just that the possibilites exist. Getting Lee sort of makes things easier on the rest of the rotation. If Phil did take that next step – wow, the front 3 would be pretty darn good.
Although AJ is incredibly frustrating, I know he works very hard; we’re upset and frustrated, but how must he be feeling? I’ve no doubt that he would do what he could in the off-season to improve.
GB, I know you didn’t say it – Stuckey said it. LOL I’m getting confused……
Heyman thinks Detroit will just let Damon go to whoever claimed him if they can’t work out a trade. That surprises me.
Sabathia, Lee, Hughes, Burnett, and someone from within not names Joba?..
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The 5th starter next year better have asbestos underwear, their ass is gonna be on the hotseat thanks to the fireballers that are gonna be clogging up the AA and AAA rotations next year.
we just may end up with tooo much pitching
Heyman thinks Detroit will just let Damon go to whoever claimed him if they can?t work out a trade. That surprises me.
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It saves them money and its not like Damon is gonna come back, he is on a 1 year deal. You think the Tigers are gonna offer him arbitration?
“Getting Lee sort of makes things easier on the rest of the rotation. If Phil did take that next step – wow, the front 3 would be pretty darn good.”
Of course, and I believe there is reason to pursue him and a good chance he’ll be gotten.
I’m just not going to write next season off (analytically, not as a fan) of they don’t get him.
I think Lee or no Lee, the Yanks will be in the forefront of the postseason hunt next year.
mmm… I wish we have a DH who can smash lefties as well righties, Yanks could jettison Thames and get Damon.
The Tigers designated righty Enrique Gonzalez for assignment to make room for outfielder Casper Wells, according to the team.
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Casper Well!, wonderful name for a baseball player! or, assassin/gangster.
Sorry, but, there is nothing to indicate that Hughes’ workload will cause a downturn? It won’t be that great over his career high. Every indication that he’ll improve. His win-loss record could stay the same, but, after a year’s worth of experience, his home runs allowed, learning to pitch better with 2 outs (fewer mistakes) will get better. He’s no dummy, and he’s actually a pitcher. He’ll go to the ones that can help him. For one thing, he’ll learn to pitch inside, he’ll polish the change-up and pick up other tricks from the old staff grayheads.
I could have swore that Damon signed a 2 yr deal. If he’s on a 1 yr contract, I agree that he’s a goner.
“The 5th starter next year better have asbestos underwear, their ass is gonna be on the hotseat thanks to the fireballers that are gonna be clogging up the AA and AAA rotations next year.”
I’m not a believer in luck, but aside from Christian Garcia being, well, Christian Garcia, Bleich going down and McAllister struggling before getting a ticket outta town, it’s been an incredibly charmed year for pitching in the system.
Just goes to show how long the baseball season is. In April and May, Brackman was getting hit all over, and we had appendectomies and the system seemed snakebit.
Face, that’s my point….With CC, Lee ,Hughes & AJ, that 5 th spot will be open to whoever is next in line, and could be that way for several years as the club rides out the remainder of AJ’s deal…..
Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
GB, I know you didn’t say it – Stuckey said it. LOL I’m getting confused……
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Not a big deal, Betsy. 90% of this board stays confused.
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mmm… I wish we have a DH who can smash lefties as well righties, Yanks could jettison Thames and get Damon.
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Manny?
I could have swore that Damon signed a 2 yr deal. If he?s on a 1 yr contract, I agree that he?s a goner.
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1 year 8 mil with a no trade.
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Do you think Andy P is going to retire?
AJ could always get dealt. He only can block a trade to 10 teams.
Tom in N.J. August 23rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
“1:00pm: Damon has been claimed by an unknown team, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Tigers now have two days to make a trade with the claiming team, hand the player over with no return, or pull him back.”
You don’t think…?
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No way Damon made it to the Yanks.
“mmm… I wish we have a DH who can smash lefties as well righties, Yanks could jettison Thames and get Damon.
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“Manny?”
I sense the Yanks have already made their chemistry-altering moves. Not sure they’ll go that route again for anyone with huge questions marks, with includes Manny and Damon.
Hughes’ previous career high in innings was set so long ago that I’m not sure anybody knows exactly how he’s going to bounce back next yr. If he starts in the playoffs, he’s going to end up pitching 80+ innings more than last yr and 100+ innings more than in 2008.
Tampa would have gotten to damon before the yankees, if boston didnt claim him first (just to stop him), because i dont see damon and boston getting back together.
Speaking of Cliff Lee – has anyone seen his stats since he was traded to the Rangers? And especially the last 3 games (starting with when he faced the yankees in Texas).
I think he’s like 2-4 with a plus 4 ERA (4.27ish) since the trade and he’s 0-2 with an ERA over 8 (8.43ish) the last 3 games. Must be the Texas heat getting to him?
Of course he’s also had 61k’s and 5 bb’s in 71 innings and has had 4 complete games and has gone at least 7 innings in 7 of his 9 starts (going 6.1 in the other one against the yankees and 5.2 in his last outing vs baltimore).
Whats all this mean? That he probably doesn’t like the Texas heat as much as the NY heat and will hopefully take the NY $$$’s if the offer is remotley close to what Texas offers.
“AJ could always get dealt. He only can block a trade to 10 teams.”
Which of the other 19 teams want a $16m pitcher with a 5 ERA for 3 more seasons?
ac1 August 23rd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
mmm… I wish we have a DH who can smash lefties as well righties, Yanks could jettison Thames and get Damon.
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sure, i will trade Berkman and thames to the Ds for Manny!
Pat M., I’m all for rebuilding the bullpen with these younsters coming up and letting them learn the art of pitching. Put one or two in ling relief and another in the 1 inning slot. The best pitching coach in baseball resides in the Yankee bullpen. Move out the Mitres, Moseleys and Gaudins. At least one at a time. Build your own bullpen and move them into the rotation as the starters begin to leave or become ineffective.
1 year 8 mil with a no trade
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Thanks
I’ve read all of the posts on the Japanese here. I respect all of the knowledge shared! But —
I keep hearing this voice, barely a whisper . . . “fat pussy toad.”
I sense the Yanks have already made their chemistry-altering moves. Not sure they’ll go that route again for anyone with huge questions marks, with includes Manny and Damon
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Dont read too much into chemistry. Damon fit in this lineup and locker room. he wouldnt be a chemistry altering move. manny would, but its an option.
Nick
I apologize. I just went back and saw the pic. I was not aware that your trips to Vallejo included visits to the “House that CC Built”.
sure, i will trade Berkman and thames to the Ds for Manny!
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atlanta?
I hope that all the pitching prospects who are seeming to come on hot and heavy this season don’t all “ripen” at exactly the same time.
But suppose 2 or so did. If AJ is still what he is, do the Yankee eat his contract at some point?
I think I am pre-mature anyway, because AJ only has 3 years left, right??? (Only.
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Joe S formerly of Brooklyn August 23rd, 2010 at 2:51 pm
I’ve read all of the posts on the Japanese here. I respect all of the knowledge shared! But —
I keep hearing this voice, barely a whisper . . . “fat pussy toad.”
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i did not know that Joba is Japanese, thanks Joe. keep it real!
Which of the other 19 teams want a $16m pitcher with a 5 ERA for 3 more seasons?
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Maybe a team could deal with a 16, 12, 12 mil pitcher if the yankees kicked in 8 mil? Its not like his contract is outrageous. he’d have to actually show some improvement next year to be worth much on the trade market I guess. And if he improved the yankees would then probably not trade him. We’re at an impasse!
But I don’t think he is untradeable. Everyone loves big arms.
Put one or two in ***long*** relief and another in the 1 inning slot.
“Dont read too much into chemistry. Damon fit in this lineup and locker room. he wouldnt be a chemistry altering move.”
How much should I read into it exactly?
And let’s be precise, Damon fit into last year’s locker room – which is exactly why fitting into this year’s locker room is a question mark.
And did I miss a memo, it Berkman out for the year?
Are we casting aside a guy who has positively contributed all year (Thames) as well as benching a veteran (Berkman) and NOT calling it a chemistry-altering move?
I can tell ya this for certain, veteran players wouldn’t like Thames being cut-loss in late August.
Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 2:52 pm
I hope that all the pitching prospects who are seeming to come on hot and heavy this season don’t all “ripen” at exactly the same time.
But suppose 2 or so did. If AJ is still what he is, do the Yankee eat his contract at some point?
I think I am pre-mature anyway, because AJ only has 3 years left, right??? (Only. )
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They can always tell Burnett that he’s moving to the bullpen and let him decide that he’ll go there or demand a trade to remain a starter.
I highly highly doubt any ML team bids 50 or 60 mil for the rights to talk yo Darvish…
I think that bid number will be closer to 30-35 mil.
Dice K has been a lesson learned for the teams imo.
But I don’t think he is untradeable. Everyone loves big arms.
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jerk, with AJ getting ‘older’ , and his k/bb in decline. I just think AJ is going to be very ordinary to bad from now on.
AJ now longer dials up to 96-97, I simply don’t see the big arm anymore. I see a pitcher who still thinks he has dominant stuff and just go out there and throw most of the time.
Darvish is a better prospect than Dice-K was coming into the States.
It only takes one team to make a dumb bid. Happens every time someone is posted.
Either way, between the posting fee and the contract you would have to give him, its a 70+ million dollar investment, at minimum.
You pay that for a #2 pitcher. Not for a #5, which he would be in NY.
GB7 -
They could do that, too.
I’m thinking if the pitchers coming up can move into the rotation a la Phil Hughes (meaning over time, possibly transitioning from the bullpen), their cost may be such that what to do about AJ’s money may not be that huge a problem.
GTLU ends at 3:15 today.
GGBG LF
Jeter SS
Tex 1B
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Posada C
Kearns DH
Granderson CF
Nunez 3B
GTLU is so complicated these days- thanks Doreen
Money is ultimate the elixir. Yankees simply operates at such dif level than most of the MLB teams.
any mistakes can be nullify with the next big ticket acquisitions. any imminent talent help outweighs potential future concerns.
it’s the yankees, and it’s why Burnett is getting pay for what he is getting pay and no one is really sweating it.
look Javy, 12 million for a 5th starter who is barely hanging on, how many teams in ML can afford to even have 12 mil pitcher as their no 1 starters.
It was me who claimed Johnny Damon off waivers
Erica in NY August 23rd, 2010 at 3:10 pm
It was me who claimed Johnny Damon off waivers
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just don’t put him in a tank… let him roam free.
Okay, here is a question for the hell of it 4 hours before game-time.
You’re Brian Cashman, Theo Epstein calls up and says you have 15 minutes to say yes or no – AJ Burnett for either Beckett or Lackey straight up.
Yes or no?
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Tex 1B
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Gardner CF
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lackey for Burnett , straight up? i take lackey.
stuckey99 August 23rd, 2010 at 3:11 pm
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NO!
Erica
That would blur the lines of pretend and real.
Cashmoney August 23rd, 2010 at 3:11 pm
just don?t put him in a tank? let him roam free.
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No way!!!!
Not after what happened to my beloved Froggie Saturday night
pat-
When I saw the Tweet that someone claimed him-
Well, I would be lying if I said I haven’t been thinking “Please let it be the Yankees. Please let it be the Yankees” in my head ever since
GGBG
Jeter
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Cano
Jorge
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Garndy man
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Stuckey,
No to both. Beckett is just as likely to suck and can’t stay healthy, same with Lackey, and both are signed longer than Burnett.
No way!!!!
Not after what happened to my beloved Froggie Saturday night
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i am sure you did your best , Erica. sometimes, it’s time to go, it’s time to go.
he is prolly in Froggie heaven ,where you can dine on all the midges you want.
No one in the world wants aj he ain’t going anywhere…he gets paid a lot to throw pies….
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Texiera 1B
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Thames DH
Posada C
Kearns LF
Pena 3B
Okay, here is a question for the hell of it 4 hours before game-time.
You’re Brian Cashman, Theo Epstein calls up and says you have 15 minutes to say yes or no – AJ Burnett for either Beckett or Lackey straight up.
Yes or no?
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NO!!!!!
All three are the same, but no yankees can can get behind beckett or lackey…
Actually I might consider trading Burnett for Beckett, who makes 15.75 per season so I can then flip Beckett for something else. Would have to eat less money.
I would Damon back… Does he fit on the yanks?? I see Brandon Inge as a better fit??
Lackey has been terrible this year. I pass on both.
Too many Yankee fans are overly critical of their own players and excessively praise Red Sox players.
AJ Burnett, warts and all, is a better pitcher than both Lackey and Beckett.
He just doesn’t have the hype Beckett has around him.
Burnett would need an outstanding postseason and spring training before ever again being the No. 2 in the rotation.
Assuming Lee is a Yankee in 2011, and Girardi wanting to have L-R-L-R, Phil Hughes will be No. 2, Cliff Lee No. 3, and Burnett as low as the 5th starter depending on a decision from Andy.
By the time Betances, Banuelos, Warren, Noesi, et al arrive, Burnett will be a back of the bullpen guy unless he sees the handwriting on the wall and asks for or demands a trade, waiving his 10-team option.
Neither Beckett nor Lackey would fit in the Yankees clubhouse. We have AJ, and I’d keep him over those two.
Doreen August 23rd, 2010 at 3:03 pm
GB7 -
They could do that, too.
I’m thinking if the pitchers coming up can move into the rotation a la Phil Hughes (meaning over time, possibly transitioning from the bullpen), their cost may be such that what to do about AJ’s money may not be that huge a problem.
GTLU ends at 3:15 today.
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Depending on what others would offer for a package centered around Nova, either move him into the #5 or long relief for 2011 or trade him. Pettitte being the unknown, but, I think that he returns for one final season and gets to the 250 win level. That would make him 5/7ths as good a pitcher as Clemens (j/k), but, that is a great number to reach for a pitcher that wasn’t always appreciated inside or outside of NY.
after that, at mid season, start moving out the older bullpen arms and bringing in the Phelps types. after that, in 2012 start bringing in the Betances/Banuelos Warren types to work out of the pen or trade a couple for the real needs. Burnett and Pettitte will be gone or moved out and ready for the new wave. Unless they use these kids as bullpenners, they’ll have to trade them off.
main difference between burnett and beckett….. burnett has finally managed to avoid injury. Beckett has a higher ERA AND is injured every year. Lackey is just a douchier looking version of burnett.
i think another question is…. will giardi be lured to the cubbies next year and will pena be the manager?
First off red sox and Yankees will never make any such trade or trades so it is no worth discussing.. We are stuck with aj
Giradi could be a cub manager not impossible
GB should be working as an assistant to Cash, good ideas.
Erica
I’ll root for it to be the Yankees if you promise to have a long talk and tell him to shut up about teammates past and present and to leave his glove at home.
will giardi be lured to the cubbies next year and will pena be the manager?
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Lured by what? Girardi manuevered his entire post playing career to be manager of the yankees.
pat August 23rd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Erica
I?ll root for it to be the Yankees if you promise to have a long talk and tell him to shut up about teammates past and present and to leave his glove at home.
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When did you become such a meanie??????
Why would you trade for basically the same pitcher and pay him the same yearly rate for a longer time? Eather a stupid way to get rid of a pitcher because a few fans don’t like him. NYYs have him for 3 more years after this season. Why pick up somebody for 1 or 2 extra years?
***Rather*** a stupid way to get rid of a pitcher because
Why would Girardi want to leave a first class organization like the Yankees, to take on a team like the Cubs? Just because he has roots there, I don’t think he would consider it. If he even considers it, he’s too dumb to manage any team.
GTLU is now Closed
Catch you later!
“First off red sox and Yankees will never make any such trade or trades so it is no worth discussing.. We are stuck with aj”
That’s interesting, because you could have used 1/6th less words to answer the question than you did to not answer it.
Efficiency is not your strong suit I presume?
GTLU
Gardner LF
Jeter SS
Tex 1b
Cano 2b
Swisher RF
Posada C
Kearns DH
Granderson CF
Pena 3b
Got work to do, catch you later.
Doreen please take mine?? Pretty please
“Why would you trade for basically the same pitcher and pay him the same yearly rate for a longer time? Eather a stupid way to get rid of a pitcher because a few fans don’t like him. NYYs have him for 3 more years after this season. Why pick up somebody for 1 or 2 extra years?”
I wasn’t advocating it. I was genuinely curious how other people who answer it.
Red Sox claim Damon.
SI_JonHeyman #redsox claimed damon
red sox claimed damon
Ledger_Yankees Just settled into Mr. Rogers’s Neighbourhood, aka the Rogers Centre.
LOL
Damon has no trade to boston.
According to Heyman the Red Sox claimed Damon.
SI_JonHeyman #redsox claimed damon
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SI_JonHeyman damon has no-trade to boston. so theres a complication.
Red Sox claimed Damon
SI_JonHeyman damon has no-trade to boston. so theres a complication.
Joelsherman1 #Redsox are desperate for OF help with Cameron/Ellsbury out, and know Damon would be motivated/not scared for big games
Joelsherman1 Last offseason Damon said he wouldn’t consider #Redsox because of how bad it was go from Bos to #Yankees first time. What will he do here?
Are you guys aware Nick Swisher HATES Josh Beckett.
Why youl would want to bring that guy into our clubhouse is beyond me.
Hard to believe that of all people, Lyle Overbay was the first Toronto Blue Jay to have (2) 3 run homers in the same game. Blue Jays have had a lot of big mashers in their 34 years of existence.
“Joelsherman1 Last offseason Damon said he wouldn’t consider #Redsox because of how bad it was go from Bos to #Yankees first time. What will he do here?”
He can stay where he is and not make the postseason or go to Boston and not make the postseason.
Might as well take the option where he doesn’t have to move all his s**t.
New Post- Report: Red Sox claim Johnny Damon
We knew that Erica!!
Are you guys aware Nick Swisher HATES Josh Beckett.
Why youl would want to bring that guy into our clubhouse is beyond me
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Pretty sure I was the only one who said I’d trade AJ for Beckett, and in my scenario they immediately flip Beckett to another team. Kind of a weird reaction you’re having.
If Detroit just lets him go (RS get him), is it a “trade”?
stuckey99 August 23rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
“Why would you trade for basically the same pitcher and pay him the same yearly rate for a longer time? Eather a stupid way to get rid of a pitcher because a few fans don’t like him. NYYs have him for 3 more years after this season. Why pick up somebody for 1 or 2 extra years?”
I wasn’t advocating it. I was genuinely curious how other people who answer it.
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You didn’t but others wanted either Lackey or Beckett.
Damon and Boston. Wonder how the fan base in Beantown feels about that after his comments about preferring playing in NY.