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Nova filling Vazquez’s rotation spot

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just got out of Joe Girardi’s pregame session. There is a change of plans in the rotation.

Ivan Nova will start on Sunday. Javier Vazquez will move to the bullpen. Vazquez will be available in relief beginning tomorrow.

For now, Girardi said the move is for this one turn through the rotation. He hasn’t made a decision about the rotation spot beyond Sunday.

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274 Responses to “Nova filling Vazquez’s rotation spot”

  1. blackaccord August 24th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    First ….. one to be happy about this news.. :)

  2. IIOIIOIIO August 24th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    IIOIIOIIO August 24th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    # Laura – I Bleed Blue August 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    “I mean, the clause is there for a reason, it would be quite unlike the typical athlete not to take advantage of it.”

    CC isn’t going to take advantage of his opt out clause for several reasons. 1 – I think he’s happy here and so is his family. 2- If he did opt out, where is he going to find a better contract than the one he has now? 3 – Cliff Lee will be signing with us during the off season and CC wouldn’t want to leave his buddy hanging.

    ———————

    When I say take advantage of it, I don’t mean just by opting out. I think he’ll use his ability to opt out as leverage for a few more years on his deal. I don’t think for one second that he’s going to leave the Yankees, I believe him wholeheartedly when he says that

  3. silfa718 August 24th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    can’t say we did’t see this coming

  4. mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    It all depends on Nova.
    If he performs he stays in rotation, simple as that.

  5. ET August 24th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Jack Curry
    Some Yankee officials envision a scenario where Nova stays in rotation 4 rest of season. Remember, Hughes has innings limit.

  6. jacksquat August 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    A no-brainer. Nova is obviously throwing better than Javy. Probably several minor leaguers are. I would prefer to totally shut down Javy for a couple weeks though.

  7. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Glad to hear it. Vasquez sucks.

    Damon turns down opportunity to return to the Sox.

    What does that say?

  8. mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Never can have enough pitching…
    Remember Andy comes back soon.

  9. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Those Yankee officials must be pretty dumb – Phil only has to be skipped a start, MAYBE two. What, do they think Phil is going to be removed from the rotation completely?

    I don’t know why Javy is being put in the pen as opposed to DLing him, but I guess now we have another long man.

  10. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    The media is making way too big a deal of the innings limits..

  11. SJ44 August 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    CC knows the Yankees don’t do contract extensions.

    He had the perfect opportunity to play the leverage game on Sunday and chose not to.

    Like I said, until proven otherwise, its probably the wise play to take the guy at his word.

  12. Erica in NY August 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Glad to hear it. Vasquez sucks.

    Damon turns down opportunity to return to the Sox.

    What does that say?

    ************

    He is at least a little smarter than people thought!

  13. mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Betsy, you can never have enough mop-up men.

  14. CB August 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Before people put Nova into the rotation permanently for the entire season – remember that he’s on some kind of innings limit himself just as nearly all of the yankees minor league prospects are.

    He’s unlikely to be able to throw 200 cumulative innings this season.

    What that limit is I don’t know. But he’s already thrown a lot in the minors.

    In the end the yankees could scrap that innings limit to help the team win now. But at this time Nova most likely has a ceiling for how many innings he should throw.

  15. joeman August 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    # mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Never can have enough pitching…
    Remember Andy comes back soon.
    ————————————————————————————-

    better hope so

  16. m August 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    So it’s:
    moseley
    hughes
    (off)
    burnett
    cc

    ?

  17. clar5 August 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Interesting. Very interesting. Whats going to happen when Ace and Marte are eligible? Actually scratch that. Sept callups begin next week (I think).

  18. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Erica,

    I guess so. that’s a statement though, if you ask me.

    I mean, Boston still has a fighting chance to make the playoffs, however unlikely it may seem Detroit, on the other hand, I’m not so sure. I guess maybe they are one and the same.

  19. Jerkface August 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    He had the perfect opportunity to play the leverage game on Sunday and chose not to.

    Doesn’t it make more sense to play it cool until closer to your time to strike? A-rod and JD Drew were all about their teams until it came time to actually exercise the opt out clauses.

    CC doesn’t want to pitch for 1 and 1/3rd more years for a team he just threatened to opt out on.

  20. cs in la August 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Glad to hear it. Vasquez sucks.

    Damon turns down opportunity to return to the Sox.

    What does that say?
    **********************

    Scott Boras must be on vacation.

  21. Jason Voorhees August 24th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I get that Nova pitched well, but I can also think of several Yankee prospects that had solid debuts that didn’t amount to much afterwards…

  22. hardwired7 August 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    $11.5M mop up man

    welcome to the A.L. East

    a.k.a The Grinder

  23. Jerkface August 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Nova is at 153 and his season high is 148. he can probably throw 180-190, so 30-40 more innings for him.

  24. mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    I get that Nova pitched well, but I can also think of several Yankee prospects that had solid debuts that didn’t amount to much afterwards…
    ——————————————-
    which is why they are stringing Javy along…

  25. m August 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Betsy,

    I think that’s until Andy comes back.

    They’re thinking they don’t want to run Hughes into the ground before Andy comes back.

    I truly don’t care who pitches, as long as they keep us in the game.

  26. pat August 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    What does that say?
    **********************

    NY teaches people how to be less of an idiot?

  27. jackamir August 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Javy will spot start to ease the Hughes rules but only against second division teams. I’m sure they won’t come out an officially say that. They would try to ease Javy down showing him some well earned respect. He is a Journeyman and not much more.

  28. ZMAN August 24th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    A-Rod also went on Mike and the Mad Dog live during Spring Training before the 07 season and said (twice) that he was not going to opt out.

    I wouldn’t take anything they say before the fact seriously.

  29. SportsGeek August 24th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Thanks to folks for their responses to my earlier posting. I appreciate that most of the comments were taken in a positive nature, and even the negative ones were fact-based rather than personal.

    Give me a few minutes and I’ll respond to many of your specific comments.

  30. joeman August 24th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    # cs in la August 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Glad to hear it. Vasquez sucks.

    Damon turns down opportunity to return to the Sox.

    What does that say?
    **********************

    Scott Boras must be on vacation.
    —————————————–
    if Yankees claimed him he would have been on the plane last night

  31. pat August 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    benshpigel Vazquez said he was disappointed but not surprised that he’s being skipped Sunday in favor Ivan Nova, whose “toughness” Girardi liked.

  32. Jerkface August 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Give me a few minutes and I?ll respond to many of your specific comments.

    Please respond in the correct thread.

  33. m August 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    CC has every right to change his mind.

    But if Cliff Lee comes into the fold, the Yankees could just move on. That’s the risk CC would be taking.

  34. mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    GI Joe is saying he liked the way Nova threw at Battista and didn’t back down, then denied it in the postgame

  35. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 24th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    sorry for being in the dark here, but why are people talking about CC and opting out?

    seems more or less irrelevant right now…

  36. mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Please respond in the correct thread.
    ==========================
    Was that a hit from the past?

  37. joeman August 24th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    whats all this talk about the Cubs offering Joe huge money

  38. Jerkface August 24th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Was that a hit from the past?

    Time’s cyclical, baby

  39. SJ44 August 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    CC isn’t Arod and CC marches to an entirely different beat.

    Folks are going to believe what they want.

    However, I believe the guy when he says he’s not opting out.

    He’s a different kind of guy than most players in the game.

    Its why he’s so widely respected.

  40. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    M, Phil won’t be run into the ground – they can skip him a start and then, if needed limit his innings in one of his remaining starts. They need to keep him on something of a routine if he’s going to possibly start in the playoffs.

    As to Damon, if he really is staying in Detroit, I can’t figure that one out………….

    As to CC, I believe him 100%

  41. CB August 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    “he can probably throw 180-190, so 30-40 more innings for him.”

    Which is around what Hughes will probably throw. That’s not going to allow Nova to completely replace Javy for the rest of the season.

    They could have Nova stay in the rotation until Andy gets back and then try to use Mosely to take some starts from Vazquez. But then there’s the Hughes issue.

    But it’ll be difficult to take Vazquez completely out of the equations at this point in time.

  42. mick August 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    have to check the archives dude

  43. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 24th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    I wonder if Damon would come to NY.

    I’m not so sure nor am I sure we’d necessarily need to do it no matter how much his “clubhouse presence” matters or how “ideal his bat is for that stadium”.

    I don’t want to say that NYY slighted him, but when they moved on, they moved on.

  44. Erica in NY August 24th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Leaving work. Have plans tonight. I may or may not be back later (most likely not)

    Bye everyone!

  45. Jerkface August 24th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    CC isn?t Arod and CC marches to an entirely different beat.

    The beat of the highest paid pitcher in the game vs the highest paid position player in the game? They both do a ton for charity, are reputedly nice guys (though A-rod a little weird), and had opt outs negotiated into their deals.

    I think CC appears to be a larger than life, funny, personable guy, but he didn’t come to the Yankees on a discount or for the love of the game. We paid him the most.

    I hope he doesn’t opt out, but I will believe it when the deadline has passed.

  46. TheKiid August 24th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    mid-90′s fastball or mid-80′s fastball… easy decision.

  47. Crash August 24th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Damon hates the red sox owners and front office. It is not a surprise he isn’t going back there.

  48. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    If the Yankees were serious in ST that they take into account ease or difficulty of innings pitched, maybe Phil’s limit is more than 175. Early in the season, he had a lot (the majority actually) of easy innings

  49. 108 stitches August 24th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    In effect, Vazquez is in a similar situation as Mitre and Gaudin with Chamberlain moving up the bullpen ladder because of improved recent appearances.
    The No. 5 starter is Nova’s to lose. The return of Aceves and Andy will call for 2 more changes but September helps with the roster expansion.

  50. Jerkface August 24th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    If the Yankees were serious in ST that they take into account ease or difficulty of innings pitched, maybe Phil?s limit is more than 175. Early in the season, he had a lot (the majority actually) of easy innings

    I would trust their innings limit isn’t so much a set number, but certainly they are conscious of the amount of innings he is throwing. Maybe he can get up to 180, 185, 190 depending on how he fares down the stretch.

    If its true that pitchers are designed to throw 15 pitches an inning, I’d count quick innings as half, 15-18 as 1, and 20+ as 2 innings and see where I’m at. 3 pitches or less and I ain’t counting it. :x

  51. Giuseppe Franco August 24th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    # TheKiid August 24th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    mid-90’s fastball or mid-80’s fastball… easy decision.

    ———

    Yes, because fastball velocity is the be all, end all when it comes to pitching.

    Greg Maddux says hello.

  52. Jason22 August 24th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    CB, Nova has thrown 148, and 140 innings the past two years, this year he is already over 150.

    I would guess he has another 30 in him before the want to shut him down.

  53. pat August 24th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    BloggingBombers Vazquez will be available out of the bullpen starting tomorrow night. Don’t be shocked to see him used to shorten Hughes’ start.

  54. Jerkface August 24th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Javy Vazquez is a little ways off Greg Maddux. Maybe he can be Maddux-lite next season, like Moose did once he dealt with his diminished velocity.

  55. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Jerkface, if Phil may start, they also need to keep that in mind as well……………….

    I don’t know how many 15 pitch innings Phil had earlier, but it seemed like he rarely had stressful innings. Obviously that hasn’t been the case recently……..Either way, we need him to make starts down the stretch, so I imagine he’ll be skipped in short order

  56. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Mark Feinsand speculating, lol…………Joe has already said that he won’t remove Phil from games just to cater to an innings limit. The only time I see him doing that is if the Yankees are blowing the other team out.

  57. KPB August 24th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    MTU

    If Erica’s :smile: doesn’t work perhaps this will. If you don’t come back, instead of crawfish I’ll have to break out the voodoo doll …… and I know neither of us wants that. :wink:
    ————————
    GB7

    It took me a bit to figure out it was an impostor. I was wondering why the hell you would be posting all that info. But, what really turned my stomach was the sick son of a b***h brought up the grand kids.

  58. pat August 24th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    “Mark Feinsand speculating”

    Maybe not.

    BloggingBombers Girardi: “We?ll be flexible with Hughes…. It might give us an opportunity to shorten his game a lot one time or even to skip him.”

  59. CR9 August 24th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “He had the perfect opportunity to play the leverage game on Sunday”

    SJ44

    What does that mean, on Sunday? What happened Sunday?

  60. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Pat, thanks. That’s interesting……………Perhaps they want to avoid (if they can) skipping Phil while he’s back to pitching well again (and since he’s had problems pitching after long rest).

  61. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    LOL Also from Feinsand:

    Congrats! “Ridiculous tweet of the day” RT @dofferdahl Hughes should’ve never been made a SP. he needs to be RP for biggest impact to NYY.

  62. Doreen August 24th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    I was getting the feeling lately that Girardi wants to be very flexible with how he uses not just his pitchers but the rest of his team. Anything he says is mainly couched in qualifications.

  63. KPB August 24th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    CB

    Do you think Javey being in the bullpen will give him enough rest for his “dead arm” so he can get back on track later on this season? Or, do you think he needs the whole off season to regain his strength? I always enjoy your posts and look forward to hearing your response.

  64. CB August 24th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    A significant reason for why the Yankees were able to win the Series last year was because they were able to rest their pitchers (and position players) down the stretch. That left them stronger than they otherwise would have been.

    After last year’s heavy work load they have another long season now.

    Last year they were very short on depth but able to rest pitchers due to their big lead. That’s not going to be the case this year as the race is close.

    The only other way to try to provide rest is through depth. Nova is a good example of this.

    I think Girardi will use his depth, whether that’s extra starters or innings from the pen, to rest the staff as much as possible.

  65. G. Love August 24th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Good news for now. Javy is not pitchable in his current state.

    Nova has velocity and a little moxie (as we saw last night). While I think his pitches are too high in the zone, I trust Eiland is going to work with this kid to make him the total package if he can.

    The one thing the Yankee coaches have done this season with players this year has been improve them if they are willing to listen.

    As for innings limits and such, it will work itself out. We have Mitre and Gaudin who can spot start. Once the callups are here in September, you can start one of our long guys with the added depth to the pen.

    Andy will come back.

    It will work itself out.

    And if I were Javy and AJ and I would make the best of my opportunities from here on out although I think Javy’s Yankee career is on life support right now.

    If Nova out pitches them by a large margin somehow, the 4 spot in the post season rotation could be a very interesting decision.

  66. pat August 24th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    BloggingBombers Girardi on Vazquez: “He might pitch out of the bullpen on Wednesday.” – that’s about as much of a hint as you’ll get on the Hughes situation

  67. Doreen August 24th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Oh, no. It’s a MY9 game tonight. :(

  68. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    GLove, are you suggesting that Nova would possibly be the 4th starter in the playoffs? I don’t see that at all.

  69. jackamir August 24th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Do any of you great fans ever listen to or watch Chris Carlin on SNY. He hates the Yankees and is always running them down in his commentaries. What a fat slob this guy is. I remember when he was fired by Imus AND LET GO BY Francesa. He is an idiot who thinks his opinion means something.

  70. m August 24th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Nova won’t start over AJ in the postseason.

    pat,

    I think Harkey will be scoreboard watching that day. If there’s a big enough lead then give Javy some innings on Wednesday.

    It’s a shame, but you can’t depend on Javy right now. Especially when we’re already short Andy.

  71. KPB August 24th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Doreen

    As long as it’s just MY9 and not coupled with a pitcher we’ve never seen before we still have a 50-50 shot, right? :smile:

  72. Betsy August 24th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    So Joe is retracting all of his comments to the effect that he didn’t want to shorten Phil’s starts if he’s pitching well? Hmmm. Well, maybe not. If Phil pitches badly, perhaps Javy will come in….. Of course, the reason Joe has left Phil in in games where he’s struggled is because (I suppose) he trusts him more than Gaudin or Mitre. However, you have to save innings while you can, especially if they are stressful innings.

  73. G. Love August 24th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Betsy,

    I’m not suggesting it will happen. However, if AJ can’t get it together and Javy is in the pen and Nova helps the team win the east, it might make for an interesting decision.

    I tend to think if AJ and Javy are awful the rest of the way, Mosely would get the nod…but Nova has a chance to put himself in the conversation.

  74. blake August 24th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    The one thing I really don’t want to see them do with Hughes is the 4 or 5 inning “short starts” that they did with Joba last year. Either he’s pitching that day or not and if not just skip him all together that turn..JMO

  75. austinmac August 24th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    I am surprised Damon didn’t agree to go to the Sox. He does still have a number of ex-teammates still there, and his return would be newsworthy. The fans would have welcomed him. I’m glad he didn’t.

  76. Erin August 24th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    New Post w/pregame notes

    :arrow:

  77. bardos August 24th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    A-Rod is/was pure greed. CC is the kind of guy who can live on 20 odd million per year and survive. He’s got his big contract. Squeezing another few million out of the Yankees is just not his way.

  78. CB August 24th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    “Do you think Javey being in the bullpen will give him enough rest for his “dead arm” so he can get back on track later on this season? ”

    KPB,

    I really don’t know. Classic dead arm lasts for a certain period of time and then resolves. Usually to “treat it” you have the pitcher keep throwing through it with some rest mixed in as needed. That’s part of why the yankees have tried to keep Javy in the rotation and throwing – that’s usually the “treatment” so to speak.

    But his fastball velocity isn’t coming back like it usually does with dead arm. It doesn’t usually last this long.

    One of the recurring jokes on this board is about Livan Hernandez and about how he throws junk, isn’t very good but “eats innings.”

    People have forgotten what Livan used to be. He used to throw much harder. But then he just lost his fastball – and did so relatively quickly (give or take as his age may be uncertain).

    But with Livan he was always noted as a guy who could throw a lot of innings. Those innings though seem to have taken a toll. His arm wore down and he lost his fastball. He was able to adjust but only enough to be mediocre. He was never really consistently good after he lost his fastball.

    Javy has thrown a ton of innings in his career and he isn’t a big guy. I am concerned that that prior work load may have taken it’s toll.

    All that said, there have been a few seasons where Javy has a very good season and then the following year has a weaker one. I always wondered if that’s because in the good season he tends to throw more innings and wears down. It then takes him a full year to recover with the two winters in between. No idea if that’s the case. Just a thought.

    I watched Javy pitch last season and his stuff was great. It was better than his stuff was when he was on the Expos because his change up was even better.

    I don’t really know what’s happened to him. I do doubt that he’s going to recover enough of his fastball to contribute significant innings at a quality level for the remainder of this season. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was much better next season if he only winds up throwing around 170 innings this season.

  79. KPB August 24th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    blake August 24th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    The one thing I really don’t want to see them do with Hughes is the 4 or 5 inning “short starts” that they did with Joba last year. Either he’s pitching that day or not and if not just skip him all together that turn..JMO
    ————–
    blake

    I agree. I think the short starts was awful with Joba, I like how they are handling Hughes much better. Let him pitch until he starts showing signs of tiring instead of just yanking him in the 4 or 5 inning regardless of how he’s doing.

  80. bardos August 24th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    A significant reason for why the Yankees were able to win the Series last year was because they were able to rest their pitchers (and position players) down the stretch. That left them stronger than they otherwise would have been.

    ————————————————————-

    Totally agreed on that. This year it is going to be a battle downto the wire and both AL East teams will most likely arrive in exhausted mode.

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