Yankees farm update: Pittsburgh edition
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 25, 2010 
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It’s been more than two years since Ross Ohlendorf was a part of the Yankees organization — which is more time than he actually spent in the Yankees organization — but I still find that I click on stories about him and pay attention when his highlights are on television. He’s an interesting, easy-to-like guy who was part of two significant Yankees trades. When his name pops up, you notice.
It looks like Ohlendorf is going to miss the rest of the year because of a strain behind his right shoulder. It some ways, it puts him out of his misery. He has a perfectly respectable 4.04 ERA, but he’s 1-11 as the Pirates ace.
The other guys sent to Pittsburgh in the Nady/Marte trade:
• Dan McCutchen is tonight’s Pirates starter. He has solid Triple-A numbers, but a 6.65 ERA in the big leagues. He’s pitched 16 times — seven starts — and has allowed 11 home runs.
• Jeff Karstens was supposed to be tonight’s starter, but he’s being skipped because of arm fatigue. He has a 4.98 ERA, but twice as many wins as Ohlendorf.
• Jose Tabata is playing well in his first big league season. He’s hitting .310 with three homers. He also hit three homers in Triple-A giving him six for the year. Most he ever hit in a season with the Yankees was five.
The other guys brought to New York in the Randy Johnson trade:
• Steven Jackson made six big league appearances this year but ultimately lost his spot on the Pirates 40-man roster. He has a 4.01 ERA in Triple-A, getting a lot of ground ball outs but not many strikeouts.
• Alberto Gonzalez is hitting .276 as a utility man with the Nationals. He has 123 at-bats and four RBI. Ramiro Pena has 121 at-bats and 16 RBI.
• Luis Vizcaino hasn’t pitched since last year.
Since we’re on the subject of the Pirates and former Yankees:
• Chan Ho Park has pitched seven times for Pittsburgh: 7.2 IP, 11 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 4 K. He’s allowed two homers.
• Randy Winn is hitting .250 with three home runs and four stolen bases as a part-time player in St. Louis.
• Mark Melancon has made three scoreless appearances since joining Triple-A Round Rock in the Astros minor league system. Jimmy Paredes is hitting .290/.313/.409 in Class A with the Astros. It’s almost identical to his .282/.312/.408 pre-trade line with Charleston.
• Zach McAllister was assigned to Triple-A Columbus in the Indians system. In his debut last night he went 6 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 K. All five runs came in the second inning.
There?s nothing low leverage about being placed into a game where your job is on the line.
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But almost everyone in the major leagues is playing for their job / next contract / play time / a better role. Do you believe there is no difference between inserting Joba in the 8th with a 1 run lead and runners on vs 7th inning in a 4 run game with no one on?
Weird point to try and diss sabre types on, considering traditionalists intuitively move towards the same conclusions. Sabre guys just quantified it. What is ?the 8th inning guy?? A guy who is placed into high leverage situations.
RiverAveBlues Teixeira since May 1 (102G): .287/.381/.549, 26 HR, 82 RBI. Since June 8 (67G): .306/.402/.620 20 HR/57RBI. Slow starts are a killer.
And don’t traditionalists naturally understand the difference between high and low leverage during games, “You’re up by 9 runs, throw strikes!” , “its a tie game, can’t let bautista beat you, don’t give him anything good!” , “Its a 1 run lead, you can’t walk this guy here.” , “Why is Gaudin in the game, its bases loaded no outs and we’re only up by 5?” , etc.
Someone’s going to have to hypnotize Teixeira or something!
But he’s been great for them since June, and I hope it continues. Maybe the extra slow month in the beginning means a better October than last season?
(Not complaining)
RiverAveBlues Lee Jenkins says that Damon, by staying in DET, chose NYY over BOS. I think he regrets leaving the Bronx http://bit.ly/blW3as
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I dunno if i understand that tweet. I mean, I can read and have decent comprehension skills, but how exactly did Johnny choose NY over Boston with this move? Do they think he’ll try to get back in pinstripes next season? Is that the implication?
He is choosing his new york legacy.
Sounds like the Yanks have done a good job of trading away the correct players. Too bad about Ohlendorf; I always liked him for some reason too.
I want to be remembered as a guy who went to the yankees, became an integral part of a championship, and while leaving: never compromised what i had built in new york by returning to their biggest rival.
It’d be like if we didn’t re-sign Jeter and he went to KC over Boston, just not as extreme
Another ex-Yankee that got a lot of attention was Ty Clipper. How’s he doing now?
Another ex-Yankee that got a lot of attention was Ty Clipper. How’s he doing now?
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Not too bad. High Strikeout/9 and he might lead baseball in wins as a reliever. He’s kind of a part time closer in Washington now that Capps went to the Twins.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=28694
Had a nice little career going as an effective reliever for the Nats.
No doubt Damon chose his NY legacy over his Boston legacy.
He also is able to leave the door open, even if it’s just a crack, to return next year in some capacity.
Had he gone to Boston, that door would be closed forever.
Be careful with Clippard. A bunch of his wins earlier this yr came in games that he blew the lead. The the Nats scored some runs in the next inning and he got the win.
Shame Spencer
It is pretty simple
Damon if claimed by the yankees would come back in a second,he turned the rs down.
Actually he got bumped from the closer role after blowing several once he took over. He’s back to being a 7th/8th inning guy.
Jerkface – fair point. Didn’t really consider the ‘legacy’ aspect. Maybe one day Johnny will work for YES. Now THATS a broadcast I’d be interested in seeing…
He has 9 blown saves.
Goddamn Seattle management.
The Mariners play Boston in a double header today, and the Red Sox are favored in both games. In the first game, they have a Dave Pauley (THE Dave Pauley)/Josh Beckett matchup. In the second game they have King Fernandez against Jon Lester. If they used King Fernandez in the first game, the Mariners would be favored to win at least one of the games, since Beckett has been floundering. But instead, he is pitching against another ace.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the FO encouraged this matchup to ef with the Yanks. The Mariners are now my second most hated team, especially after the Cliff Lee fiasco.
Yes, 4 of his wins are ‘Blown Wins’. In two of those, he gave up inherited runs. The other two, he blew it himself. He’s 9-6 with a 3.00 ERA.
He had a good start to the season, but struggled when put in the closer role.
*Clippard. Ty ClippARD. Oy.
Looked at stats – TBF = total batters faced?
Lester hasn’t been great shakes lately and Beckett has sucked. Doesn’t it make more sense , if you go by the assumption of “Beckett has a 6 era and sucks” and “Lester is beatable” , that you match up your weakest against the guy who is more likely to suck and your best vs the guy is good but beatable?
while I wouldn’t pretend to know what goes on in Johnny D’s mind, I wonder if fan rxn played into his decision. If he returned to Boston, where he is already booed, and didn’t play well, it would be a bad situation. Currently, when he returns to YS, he can count on cheers from the fans. That would not happen in he played for the sox.
last night the xm guys could not understand why Johnny D would not return to Boston, b/c who would willingly play in Detroit. I was under the impression that the fans and management in Detroit were good people. Maybe he is hoping to return there next year. Maybe he doesn’t want to uproot his family for 2 months. Only Johnny (and maybe Erica)know
SoCalyankfan-
They still have to play the games. Beckett has been known to have a bad game or two. And I’d put my money on Felix in either game.
“It’d be like if we didn’t re-sign Jeter”
In your dreams.
Depends on how you look at what Clippard has done with inherited runners. He’s allowed 15 of 40 inherited runners to score. He got so bad that they quit bringing him in with runners on base. 1 save, 9 blown saves. Starters must have chewed on their arms when he came in. Color me unimpressed.
So basically the yankees gave up all of those scrubs for literally 7 innings of Marte pitching lights out in the playoffs and helping to win a WS. I’ll take it…
Damon may well be realizing that he will have to take another paycut next season, so over a two year period, the 2 year $14m contract the Yankees offered will be greater than or equal to what he will end up earning over that period because Comerica tamps down on his power numbers.
Melancon was never shown sufficient patience in NY. I think he will do well in Houston.
If Damon would accept a part time DH/bench role next year on a one year deal then I could see the Yanks having some interest. The ideal thing would probably be to have Montero DH and catch some but Damon could give them some insurance on that if he struggles or isn’t ready. (this post was not intended to give Erica false hope).
Damon chose to listen to Scott Boras rather than go where his instincts told him. Not only did he turn down Cashman’s offer of 2 years – $14M to get less money from Detroit but he has to do it all over again this winter.
There is no room for him on the 2011 Yankees with the plans the team has going forward. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Austin Kearns back.
What do the Red Sox, Tigers, Angels, Mets, Brewers, and Rockies have in common?
They are all third place teams at least 6 games or more out of a playoff spot on the loss side with less than 35 games remaining after today.
In other words, worrying about these teams us a waste of valuable worry energy.
Is Damon a cautionary tale about booing players past and present?
It may have been all about the front office but he made reference to the fans the past few days more than management in Boston.
Sox weren’t in a position that they NEEDED Damon to come back but what if they were?
The toes you step on today may be connected to the butts you have to kiss tomorrow.
blake August 25th, 2010 at 11:53 am
If Damon would accept a part time DH/bench role next year on a one year deal then I could see the Yanks having some interest.
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I won’t completely rule it out because anything could happen this winter, but I really don’t see Damon on next year’s team. That ship has sailed, IMO. (Sorry Erica).
Just sipping some coffee, and read the NoMaas interview with Mark Newman. Even acknowledging that he’s going to be complementary to the players within the orgnization, it seems like there are some good players down on the farm.
Everything I’ve read about Ross Ohlendorf suggests that he’s a real good guy. Too bad it didn’t work out for him in NY, but, looks like he’s doing about as well as can be expected in Pittsburgh. And, he appears to be someone who’s primed for a life after baseball.
That’s one thing that reading the blog has given to me, over the years – A greater appreciation of some of the players (and not just the stars) as more than just action figures. I like it.
Blake,
I think that’s the role Johnny sees for himself next year in NY.
Don’t know if the Yankees are interested but, I think Johnny would love that role on the team next year if the details could be worked out.
Which team has a better chance at making the post season. Detroit 9 games behind the Twins and Chisox or Boston 6 games behind the Yankees/Rays? Even though Boston is 3 games closer you could argue that both the Twins and White Sox are more likely to fall off than the 2 teams in front of Boston… Boston is closer to the wild card though…
It’s supposed to rain more this afternoon in Boston. They’re better off pitching Felix tonight so they get 7+ innings out of him (performance pending).
Erin, that ship sank when Damon left.
Today’s Guess The Line Up is Now Open for Business.
I will take lineups until an official lineup is posted.
Good luck.
pat August 25th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Is Damon a cautionary tale about booing players past and present?
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Quite possibly.
When Damon played in his first game in Boston as a Yankee in 2006, he was booed very loudly for a very long time.
When Damon played in his first game in NY as a Tiger this season, he got a long standing ovation.
Obviously, there is a huge difference in going from Boston to NY than NY to Detroit butI am sure that was part of the equation
I don’t think Damon passed on the Red Sox because he thought it’d give him a chance to come back to NY.
There will be no DH at bats for him here next year and he’s a horrible idea as a 4-5th OF for this team.
I think he really disliked Boston in the end. He didn’t like how ownership didn’t step up to the plate for him when he gave them his all and he didn’t like how the fans and media turned him into a pariah rather than celebrate what he did for that franchise.
Playing in Yankee Stadium last week let him see first hand what the Yankees and their fans thought of him.
The supposedly tough NY media was wonderful to him. The fans celebrated him and the Yankees played a video highlight of his time with the Yankees on the big screen during the game.
He got not such treatment like that in Boston.
I give him credit for not going there but I don’t think it’s because he thinks the Yankees will resign him.
However, he will have an opportunity to be part of the Yankees in the future in other areas and he’ll always be celebrated at old timer’s day.
SJ,
Should we really be so cruel as to give Erica that sliver of hope? I’d love it if he would accept that role and hed actually probably play a lot more than one might think.
GTLU:
LF Gardner
SS Jeter
1B Teixeira
2B Cano
C Posada
DH Thames
RF Kearns
CF Granderson
3B Pena
Thanks Doreen
Erin August 25th, 2010 at 11:57 am
I won?t completely rule it out because anything could happen this winter, but I really don?t see Damon on next year?s team. That ship has sailed, IMO. (Sorry Erica).
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I really doubt it too.
But it would make a fabulous birthday present for this milestone birthday I have coming up
I think Damon will be in Tampa next season.
Ross Ohlendorf is really a class act.
On the day of my nephew’s PC, Ross and Andrew McCutcheon were the first two guys in the clubhouse to introduce themselves to him and show him around.
He gave him his cell number, as did McCutcheon, and told him if he needed anything to contact him anytime.
When he got hurt, Ross called to offer encouragement and support.
A real class act and I hope he has a speedy recovery.
There is a huge difference between Yankee and Red Sox fan bases. yankee fans are generally loyal to the product on the field. Red sox fans are loyal to the IDEA of the red sox as run by Theo and company. Its why they get so easily manipulated as the front office gears up to send people out.
Matsui , Abreu, Sheffield, Damon, all got nice ovations.
Meanwhile, Boston boo’s nomar, manny, damon, etc.
“There?s nothing low leverage about being placed into a game where your job is on the line”
He had a job. The EIG. He lost it. Of late, with rare exception, he’s been the guy they bring in when the game’s already decided. Granted, he still needs to perform in the role, but it’s a role pitching in low leverage situations by almost everyone’s measure.
Rich in NJ August 25th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
I think Damon will be in Tampa next season
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Hmmm….
WWJDD Part III?
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As far as this: “There is no room for him on the 2011 Yankees with the plans the team has going forward. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Austin Kearns back.”
I couldn’t agree more. If Johnny was looking for us to show any interest even just to spike his salary a little, I don’t think he’ll get it.
Damon could be in Tampa next year.
Or……he and Montero split AB’s at DH next year, with Johnny getting a good chunk of AB’s and a shot at a ring.
No Crawford, Soriano and possibly Pena will make Tampa a much weaker team next year.
It will be interesting to see what Johnny will do.
There was a good article in SI a few months back on Olendorf…really intersting dude.
the 2/14 would have been good for damon. he got 8 this year, but lets see him get 6 next year…
Damon’s next landing spot is likely to be Tampa. Close to home, good team for post season chances, turf to help get the hits to close in on 3,000.
SJ44 August 25th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Damon could be in Tampa next year.
Or??he and Montero split AB?s at DH next year, with Johnny getting a good chunk of AB?s and a shot at a ring.
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Are you expecting a Montero/Posada catching platoon?
I was under the impression most people expect Posada to DH next season which wouldn’t leave much room for Johnny
Re: Tyler C (and from Chad, the bit about Alberto G)
I live in the D.C. area. The Nationals are my 2nd team (Yankees’ fan from 1957, Nationals acquired somewhat later).
The Nationals are horrid. The first major signs of thought by the team came this year, when (in March) they got rid of Elijah Dukes — limited talent in the field, nightmare in the clubhouse. More recently, they got something for Guzman and also for the closer, Matt Capps, who was having a great season (but seems a decent bet to revert back to something other-than-great).
These were good signs. But that’s been it. Watching ‘em on the field can be painful. If Alberto and Tyler had something, they’ve had chances to show it.
It’s a team with a lot of weird parts. There is Adam Dunn, who plays the field precisely like a DH. There is Zimmerman at 3B, who seems to play like a genius at times, but clearly gets tired of carrying the entire team on his back.
Then there are 23 other guys. Tyler and Alberto are 2 of em. The group plays like something between AA + AAA.
Oh, yeah — there was this Strasburg guy. Should have spent a year in the minors building up his arm strength, but the management here seemed to be in a hurry to get him here (and bring in fans). Now — well, who knows?
Also, the color guy on the cable TV broadcasts is Rob Dibble. He actually makes me miss Sterling and that woman Waldman. And I really, really don’t like the two of them at all.
Matsui , Abreu, Sheffield, Damon, all got nice ovations.
Meanwhile, Boston boo’s nomar, manny, damon, etc.
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While this is true Jerkface, it should also be mentioned that the guys for Boston left in VERY different circumstances than any of those Yankees (who we respectfully let fall off our rosters).
Jerkface
Sad to say but I think you overestimate some of the Yankee fan base.
David Wells was booed when he came back in a Red Sox uniform and he had a hand in helping the Yankees win a WS.
“The toes you step on today may be connected to the butts you have to kiss tomorrow.”
You just blew my mind!
pat August 25th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Jerkface
Sad to say but I think you overestimate some of the Yankee fan base.
David Wells was booed when he came back in a Red Sox uniform and he had a hand in helping the Yankees win a WS.
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I forget- was that before or after he wrote the book in which he said he pitched his perfect game drunk?
Johnny Damon as a lefty DH for next year’s Yanks? I don’t know about that.
A few reasons why –
1. He really can’t play the OF well enough.
2. I’m guessing the Yanks would give Colin Curtis a good, long look as the lefty bat off the bench – he’s younger, plays the OF better (all three positions, no?), has decent enough speed, and costs a lot less. His bat has improved since the AFL last year. Joe seems to have liked his ABs when he was up.
Just my $ .02.
Yankees have lost 4 games vs Seattle this year – 3 against Felix Hernandez and 1 against Cliff Lee
Tampa has lost 1 game to Seattle this year (6 games played 3 yet to play) – they have yet to face Felix Hernandez but did face Cliff Lee twice (and won both with 1 game lee pitching a CG giving up 2 runs and losing) – they still have 3 more games remaining
Boston has lost 2 games to Seattle this year and have 5 more left – they didn’t face Cliff Lee or Felix Hernandez yet (until today unless the game is postponed)
I don’t think Posada will be a straight DH next season. If he’s able (hopefully he will) then I’d like to see him catch at least part time.
I don’t remember if Cone was booed when he came back as a Red Sox?
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If any of the fan base is like me, the last impression they had of Wells was one of a guy who boasted of not having to keep in shape and then not being available in the playoffs. Had he left right after the WS he helped win, maybe the reception would have been different.
Anyway, I think he gets applause when he returns to the stadium these days.
When Posada catches that allows two good bats in the lineup instead of one (unless Montero catches in his place).
pat August 25th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
David Wells was booed when he came back in a Red Sox uniform and he had a hand in helping the Yankees win a WS.
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Wells is an idiot-so the booing is perfectly understandable to me.
Does Cone get booed when he goes back to the Irish bar?
The “to boo or not to boo” (Shakespeare’s first version) conversation is always funny to me.
I cheer for players who do something good. I boo players who do something bad. Booing returning players is left to the discretion of the boo-er. The boo-ees have no say in the matter.
I know this isnt the stance most posters on LoHud take, but its what Shame does at baseball games.
Joe S – agreed about Strasburg. I really never understood why the rush to get him to the majors. It’s not like they were going to contend and desperately needed another starter. They should have let him pitch in the minors for the year, and learn how to be a professional pitcher, while regulating his workload in a no stress environment. And I thought that back in the spring, also. There’s a ton of stories of young pitchers with great promise blowing out their arms at a too early stage in their careers.
I wonder how nervous they are in the Nationals FO about this turn of events.
Joe from Long Island August 25th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Joe S ? agreed about Strasburg. I really never understood why the rush to get him to the majors
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Look at the attendance figures for games he started vs. the nights it was anyone else starting
I’m going to the Rays-Angels game this afternoon to root for the Angels, although I don’t have much hope with the way the Angels have been playing. Maybe Dan Haren will get his groove back, and the Angels will have a chance. He did limit the Rangers to 2 runs in a complete game about 3 weeks ago.
Doreen,
I’ll play. Here is my line-up:
LF Gardner
SS Derek
1B Tex
2B Robbie
C Jorge
DH Thames
RF Kearns
CF Granderson
3B Pena
Thanks
Melancon pitched three scoreless innings (3H, 2BB, 3K) for the Astros last night in their 16-inning marathon against the Phillies.
Erica – Yes, but did that really make that big a difference in the cosmic picture? For those few games, and the buzz generated, was it worth it to risk this kid’s future? If he’s hurt, how much will that cost them? I don’t think the risk/benefit was worth it. But, I’m not the Washington Nationals.
Fran-I’m liking this. I have the same lineup as you!!
Joe from Long Island August 25th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Erica – Yes, but did that really make that big a difference in the cosmic picture? For those few games, and the buzz generated, was it worth it to risk this kid’s future? If he’s hurt, how much will that cost them? I don’t think the risk/benefit was worth it. But, I’m not the Washington Nationals.
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Two questions that need to be asked: Did the first injury lead to the second injury(arm) because of a change in his mechanics, and should he have been shut down after the first injury, regardless?
Mike (Grand Rapids)
Hey Jerry. Question about Kerry Wood – in 11.2 innings with the Yanks, he has 15 K’s and a 0.77 ERA. Do you think it’s time Girardi tries out Wood in the key late inning situations in which guys like Joba and Robertson have been inconsistent at best?
Jerry Crasnick (12:26 PM)
Mike, I suspect that Joe Girardi just wanted Wood to get acclimated and get his confidence up after the Yankees acquired him. Wood’s problem in Cleveland was that he never established any consistency, between the injuries and the lack of save opportunities for a losing club. But if he gets on a roll, I have no doubt the Yanks will start throwing him into some more high-pressure situations.
Chris (Washington)
What are King Felix’s chances at the AL Cy Young? He’s been probably the best pitcher in baseball after the all star break.
Jerry Crasnick (12:38 PM)
Chris, Felix’s chances are better than they were back in the day when voters would have automatically discounted a pitcher with a 9-10 record. But his numbers have to be drastically better than CC Sabathia, who’s 17-5, and I don’t see that wide a gap. One thing worth noting: Felix has pitched a whopping 40 more innings than Price this season. The Mariners might want to tailor back on his workload a bit in September. It’s not as if that team has anything to play for.
Erin.
Great minds think alike
Hope we win. It’s been a while.
GTLU
hmmm…another lefty
don’t think I can come up w/ a guess better than Fran and Erin, but I will try
LF GGBG
SS Jeet
!B Tex
2B Robbie
DH Thames
C Po
RF Kearns
CF Granderson
3B Pena
thanks Doreen
No question it was about the money.
And — I know — everything is about money. Even the crappy umpiring is about $.
But you’d hope the Nationals (or any MLB team) would handle a prospective pitcher who might have a decent future with some care. The value of a lot more $$$ in a few games in 2010 might be outweighed by the guy’s future in your uniform.
. . . kinda the way the NYYs have tried to handle Joba and Phil, you know?
Jason (LI, NY)
Do you think that Ivan Nova and Dustin Moseley can keep the ship afloat? It seems the Yanks have a lot of pitching woes (Pettite’s injury, Vazquez and Burnett inconsistency?
Jerry Crasnick (12:53 PM)
Jason, It looks as if the Yankees have enough to get through the regular season. But pretty soon you’re going to have to ask who Joe Girardi runs out there in the postseason. The Yankees need Pettitte to get healthy and Burnett to get his act together, because they don’t want to be leaning too heavily on Ivan Nova and Dustin Moseley in October.
SS Derek Jeter
RF Nick Swisher
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Robinson Cano
DH Marcus Thames
C Jorge Posada
LF Austin Kearns
CF Curtis Granderson
3B Eduardo Nunez
!B is my new favorite position! Thanks kate!!!
upstate kate August 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
I think you may have the best GTLU as I think Swish will probably sit this one out. I still think Joe G will start Nunez over Pena though. Nunez gives the Yanks a chance for a hit over Pena.
# Crawdaddy August 25th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
I don’t remember if Cone was booed when he came back as a Red Sox?
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Standing ovation. I was at the game, wasn’t particularly well-attended, but as soon as he was announced or when he walked in from the bullpen, there was a very warm welcome. Like I said, most folks standing and clapping for a bit.
It was a surreal moment looking back, a few months before 9/11. I believe it was late spring 2001. I was there with my friend from CT, who is a Red Sox fan. The NYT magazine ran a cover story with Clemens and Cone—Roger wearing the pinstripes, and Cone in a Boston uniform. The title, I believe was “A Tale of Two Pitchers.”
thanks Shame…it represents an exciting 1st baseman, like Tex…or maybe using the shift key too early…
Good for Johnny! He recognized class in his time in New York. He got run out the door by Boston, and he chose not to go back to the sewer state!
“You just blew my mind!”
Can’t take credit. That gem was from a former employer on how to treat all people fairly.
I’ve got a great one about wearing a navy blue suit but it would lose something to get it through the filter.
>Also, the color guy on the cable TV broadcasts is Rob Dibble. He actually makes me miss Sterling and that woman Waldman. And I really, really don’t like the two of them at all
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Did anyone else smile the other day when she almost got rammed in the mouth by that foul ball? I did for a second, but then immediately felt bad about it.
GTLU
Jeter 6
Swisher 3
Tex DH
Cano 4
Kearns 9
Posada 2
Granderson 8
Nunez 5
Gardner 7
Really Joe? Putting swish at first a day after foul a ball hard off the knee? I don’t see it, but then again I am majorly lacking in experience with these things.
I guess Johnny D. won’t have to worry about his playing time in Detroit, based on this blunt assessment from Leyland:
“Our cupboard is pretty bare,” Leyland said. “They’re all here. Instead of saying who are you going to call up Sept. 1, I say we’re going to be sending guys down.”
http://detroitnews.com/article.....in-a-Tiger
“I don’t see it, but then again I am majorly lacking in experience with these things.”
Along with any first-hand knowledge of how Swisher’s leg looks and feels this afternoon.
GTLU
Gardner LF
Jeter SS
Teixeira 1B
Cano 2B
Thames DH
Posada C
Kearns RF
Granderson CF
Nunez 3B
Uuuughes SP
Doreen- My GTLU
Jeter SS
Gardner LF
Tex 1B
Cano 2B
Thames DH
Posada C
Kearns RF
Granderson CF
Pena 3B
Cashman says “what we got is what we are going with” when asked about Kuroda.
I believe the Pirates have the unique ability to turn Babe Ruth into Mario Mendoza when given the chance. so some of those stats may being viewed thru jaundiced eyes.
Gtlu
Jete
Gardy
Tex
Cano
Swish dh
Kearns rf
Grandy
Pena 3b
Posada
GGBG
Jeter
Tex
Cano
Posada
Kearns
Ganderson
Thames
Nunez
I believe the Pirates have the unique ability to turn Babe Ruth into Mario Mendoza when given the chance. so some of those stats may being viewed thru jaundiced eyes.
Gtlu
Jete
Gardy
Tex
Cano
Swish dh
Posada
Kearns
Grandy
Pena 3b
Posada
GTLU-
LF Gardy
SS Jeet
1B Texie
2B MVP
C Jorge
DH Thames
RF Kearns
CF Grandy
3B Nunez
Young Master Hughes notches his 16th with 5ip/ 1run/ 7ks
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Marcus Thames DH
Jorge Posada C
Austin Kearns LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Eduardo Nunez 3B
Thanks Doreen!
Wait— no.. I lied…. Please disregard that line up
TBD is pitching for Scranton again tonight.
Man that guy must have a rubber arm.
GGBG CF
Derek Jeter SS
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robbie Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Marcus Thames DH
Jorge Posada C
Austin Kearns LF
Eduardo Nunez 3B
Thanks Doreen….
Jeter-SS
Granderson-CF
Teix-1b
Cano-2b
Thames-lf
Posada-dh
Kearns-rf
Cervelli-c
Nunez-3B
I remember the game when Wells pitched at the stadium for BOS. He took the boos pretty hard. He was very bitter in the post game interview – I think he even said that the fans were dead to him. In fact, didn’t he change his number as well? Wasn’t he wearing #3 in honor of Babe Ruth and changed it after the game?
Doreen, here’s my GTLU, and I need a win!!
[1] LF Gardy
[2] SS Cap’n
[3] 1B Tex the Glove Genius
[4] 2B Robbie Erin’s PBF
[5] C Pee-Pee Hands Posada
[6] DH “Speedy” Thames
[7] RF Kearnsy
[8] CF Grandy
[9] 3B Pesky Pena
Thank you!
Noted: I have utilized Fran and Erin’s lineup since the two of them combined = guaranteed win
Gardner LF
Jeter SS
Teixeira 1B
Cano 2B
Posada C
swisher DH
Granderson CF
Kearns RF
Nunez 3B
Laura – I Bleed Blue August 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
I remember the game when Wells pitched at the stadium for BOS. He took the boos pretty hard. He was very bitter in the post game interview ? I think he even said that the fans were dead to him. In fact, didn?t he change his number as well? Wasn?t he wearing #3 in honor of Babe Ruth and changed it after the game?
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I still think it had a lot to do with the book he wrote in 2003 BEFORE going to Boston
To me, I don’t see how we can put Aceves on the post-season roster. We’d have to carry an extra long man in case his back goes out, a very real possibility. I’m sorry he didn’t have the surgery already because he’s going to need it eventually – we’re going to go through this next year.
As to Andy, he’ll be fresher if he returns, but will he be as sharp? No one knows that……at most he’ll have a few starts in the regular season prior to the post-season. Is that enough to get him to where he wants to be?
Kerry Wood looked phenomenal last night…….
Cash says that Javy is definitely going back to the rotation, so I don’t think we can absolutely say for sure that Phil is going to start in the playoffs.
LOL @ Peter Gammons. He just said that Damon took his departure from the Red Sox the wrong way. The Red Sox “wanted him back” and he misconstrued a letter from Lucchino saying the Sox were pulling their offer off the table.
Also, Damon is “staying in Detroit because he feels he’ll receive a payday in the offseason” of which Gammons “doesn’t think is likely, and it’s more likely that he’ll “receive that payday from the Red Sox”
Poor Peter
“I still think it had a lot to do with the book he wrote in 2003 BEFORE going to Boston”
Didn’t exactly win the hearts of fans when he took himself out of Game 5 of the World Series after an inning.
“I still think it had a lot to do with the book he wrote in 2003 BEFORE going to Boston”
Probably. Has he done an Old Timer’s Game since then? The fans have probably forgiven him by now.
Melancon doing well in Houston wouldn’t mean he’d do well in NY; his comments about hating YS and the fans not having his back were silly.
Blake, as to the Lee/Cohwerd thing, I think Cowherd is despicable for questioning Lee’s integrity.
After statements such as “The Tigers are the team I’ve always wanted to play for.”, I don’t believe anything that comes out of Damon’s mouth. So I don’t believe that BS about the rivalry/legacy. He just didn’t want to play for the Red Sox.
The following people have submitted lineups for today’s GTLU so far. Please let me know if I’ve missed your lineup.
Erin
Fran (the original)
upstate kate
RayVT
Joe S formerly of Brooklyn
Andrew
Yankee Trader
Abe Peterham
Mark – Cant Touch This
champ809
Erica
Tom in NJ
Chuck58
Cashmoney
Here’s a Jack Curry article about Wells on the Sox:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04.....avid_wells
Peter Gammons is a revisionist PIG ! He is a criminal of the highest order. He needs to be checked into a mental hospital.
Ho ! westward Nava’s way here we come. Tell us Peter, will October sun burning brightly in thy Fenway.
CR9′ed
Bill D August 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
?I still think it had a lot to do with the book he wrote in 2003 BEFORE going to Boston?
Didn?t exactly win the hearts of fans when he took himself out of Game 5 of the World Series after an inning.
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I forgot about that
That was the moment I realized we probably weren’t winning that Series
Robertson has been inconsistent? LOL
Betsy,
What Cash says publicly, and what they will do, are often two entirely different things.
“Bubba Crosby is our CF” for example.
Unless Javy has a sudden arm transformation, the chances he is in the post-season rotation is slim.
Fact re: Damon and the Red Sox. He called Lucchino in 2005 and told him they had a higher offer than the Sox offer and Lucchino laughed in his face and made fun of him.
The next day, Johnny took the Yankee offer.
He never forgot that. Yesterday was payback…..again for that.
Peter Gammons has really lost all credibility. Theo could crap on a paper plate and Gammons would say it should be in the Louvre.
“Cash says that Javy is definitely going back to the rotation, so I don’t think we can absolutely say for sure that Phil is going to start in the playoffs.”
Agreed.
I’d say 99.5% sure would cover it.
“After statements such as ?The Tigers are the team I?ve always wanted to play for.?, I don?t believe anything that comes out of Damon?s mouth.”
I hear that comment every time I listen to the ESPN Baseball Podcast. It’s too ridiculous to get upset about. He was saying that to appease the fans. The DET fans know that he was lying and they don’t hold it against him. I’m not going to hold it against him either.
Crasnick seems to be assuming Phil will be in the pen…….he might, but probably not.
Gammons is worse than any criminal occupying prison and jail cells around the world.
/CR9d
David Well and El Duque was more money than anyone during those championship runs. I think of Wells as a yankee for some reason but not Clemens. Wells really want to be a yankees , Clemens was a mercenary very much in the mode of damon, but far less likable.
Melancon threw 3 scoreless (with 5 base runners ) last night but he had a 5 ERA with the Astros going into it.
SJ, that’s true. If Phil keeps pitching well, you can’t not start him.
Lucchino laughed in Damon’s face? Seriously?
Laura – I Bleed Blue August 25th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
?After statements such as ?The Tigers are the team I?ve always wanted to play for.?, I don?t believe anything that comes out of Damon?s mouth.?
I hear that comment every time I listen to the ESPN Baseball Podcast. It?s too ridiculous to get upset about. He was saying that to appease the fans. The DET fans know that he was lying and they don?t hold it against him. I?m not going to hold it against him either.
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Please.
Was Johnny supposed to get on the podium and say “Well, I really wanted to be a Yankee but I messed everything up, so here I am in Detroit”…..
SJ44
How the heck do you know about that phone call?
If you know, then I would guess Petey Gammons knows about it too, but looks the other way and continues licking the Sox organization!
“Fact re: Damon and the Red Sox. He called Lucchino in 2005 and told him they had a higher offer than the Sox offer and Lucchino laughed in his face and made fun of him.”
Don’t even think he waited til the next day, did he? Thought he agreed that night. Friends of mine in Boston were incensed at the team about the way the Damon thing went down. Bottom line is that Lucchino and Co. did not believe Damon when he told them he had the offer. Guess they really believed Bubba Crosby was going to the be the Yankees CF in 2006.
Has there ever been a free agent who has said:
” I don’t really want to be here, but, what are you gonna do… “
Please.
Was Johnny supposed to get on the podium and say “Well, I really wanted to be a Yankee but I messed everything up, so here I am in Detroit”…..
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very true, you have to be political in that situation. I don’t really begrudge Johnny for anything. he is a mercenary . Johnny will whisper sweetness in thy ears then stab you in the heart whilst you sleep. he is cold like that.
I see on other boards that there is a push to limit Phil to 80 pitches or 5 innings instead of skipping him. Ouch – I hate to skip him, but I think that would be worse……..Javy might be his caddy tonight, but I think that’s just if he’s struggling.
“Please.
Was Johnny supposed to get on the podium and say “Well, I really wanted to be a Yankee but I messed everything up, so here I am in Detroit”…..”
I honestly don’t care either way, but…
“A professional baseball player’s career is often unpredictable and once the Tigers made contact I immediately saw it as an opportunity to join a first class organization and be in the middle of a pennant race again. While I might not have predicted this a few weeks, now that I’m here I’m very glad I am”…
… would have done quite nicely.
“The reception I got tonight obviously wasn’t good,” Wells said. “It’s funny how a season changes. You got a Padre uniform, you get cheered. You got a Boston, you get booed.”
Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?
I am just asking, not trying to start trouble or anything:
Did Damon say the Tigers are “A” team I’ve always wanted to play for or “THE” team I’ve always wanted to play for?
“Was Johnny supposed to get on the podium and say ?Well, I really wanted to be a Yankee but I messed everything up, so here I am in Detroit??..”
Now, that would have been one hell of a press conference. LOL!
SJ, that Lucchino story sounds very much like the Teixeira one. Does Lucchino hate Boras clients?
LOL! So Gammons just blatantly lied to put the Red Sox in a positive light – for “not running Damon out the door” as they “still wanted him back and great respect for everything he did with them”
“How the heck do you know about that phone call? If you know, then I would guess Petey Gammons knows about it too, but looks the other way and continues licking the Sox organization!”
That call is pretty much common knowledge. Lucchino didn’t believe Damon when Damon told him he had the offer. Red Sox kind of half owned up to that after the fact. They had their offer at 4 years and $40M and nobody else was coming near him. How they could believe that the Yankees weren’t going to get involved given their CF situation at the time is rather mindboggling.
Gammons has an artice on mlb.com today calling Hinske Mr October b/c of all of his post season appearances…something noted on this board long ago.
perhaps the first part of Johnny D’s statement was “since I wont be playing for the Yankees” …the Tigers are the team I always wanted to play for…
“I am just asking, not trying to start trouble or anything:
Did Damon say the Tigers are ?A? team I?ve always wanted to play for or ?THE? team I?ve always wanted to play for?”
Actually, he said something like “This is where I wanted to be since Day One”. I giggle every time I hear that.
stuckey99
Damon should hire you.
I think at this point even if Vazquez returns to the rotation and pitches well for the rest of the year post-skipping his turn, he isn’t in line to start a postseason game unless injuries ruin the teams’ best laid plans. Hughes has outperformed him all year long and his stuff translates so much better to the playoffs (he can throw his fastball by people, Vazquez can most certainly not). I think the only way Vazquez starts a playoff game is if Pettitte can’t come back or if another starter comes up with an injury before the season ends.
stuckey99 August 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I honestly don?t care either way, but?
?A professional baseball player?s career is often unpredictable and once the Tigers made contact I immediately saw it as an opportunity to join a first class organization and be in the middle of a pennant race again. While I might not have predicted this a few weeks, now that I?m here I?m very glad I am??
? would have done quite nicely.
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Have you ever seen Johnny give a statement?
He’s not that well-spoken. He would have needed to read that off an index card and it then it wouldn’t have looked that sincere
Bill D
I didnt know that, or that it was a well-known fact.
I do remember – IIRC – that the Red Sox offer was for 3 years and 42 million. And the deal breaker was that Damon wanted the 4th year and extra 14 million for job security.
However, when he got the extra year from us, Peter and the rest of the media said he bolted for the money, when in actuality, he was receiving the same annual $$$ from the Yankees as the Red Sox.
It was the 4th year and job security that Damon wanted.
Lucchino hates Boras and doesn’t hide it.
Its why Theo put on the gorilla suit and quit a few years ago. Lucchino kept inserting himself in deals and was driving Theo nuts.
Even though Theo got contractual protection from that when he came back, Lucchino still blew the Teixeira with his frontal assault on Boras in that meeting in Dallas.
He’s a great marketer and understands how to maximize business opportunities for a franchise.
Other than that, he’s a bad guy. Not “misunderstood” as Gammons likes to say but, just a bad guy.
He makes Randy Levine likeable. That’s how bad a guy he is.
At least Randy is an honest guy. Can’t say the same for Lucchino.
At this point, there’s no way Hughes doesn’t start in the postseason. He’s been way too valuable in that role to switch him now.
At worse, he’s the third best starter when Pettitte returns.
i am kinda in agreement with Damon, Detriot is such wonderful city . I long to visit this Mecca of civiliization, except my GM cars keep on breaking down on my way there and gets stolen when I got close. oh well… next year.
“SJ, that Lucchino story sounds very much like the Teixeira one. Does Lucchino hate Boras clients?”
Aside from Lucchino’s involvement, not a lot of similarities exist. Damon would have stayed in Boston if the Red Sox bumped up their offer (Cashman knew this, which is why he exceeded Boston’s offer by 30%) while I don’t think Teixeira ever really had any real intention of playing for them. Boston’s role in that process ended up being little more than setting the baseline for what the Yankees would have to pay him.
Andrew, good points.
Phil and Joba are up for arb this year. I thought earlier in the season that Cash would try to lock Phil up, but I don’t think so right now……..perhaps if he has a good year next year. Thoughts?
CR9:
I believe Boston’s offer was $40M over 4 years, which is the same deal they had just given Varitek the year before. They thought that was the market. If not for the Yankees, they were probably right, but they simply misread the landscape so far as the Yankees went, IMO.
Kevin Goldstein:
Dellin Betances, RHP, Yakees (Double-A Tenton): 4.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 8 K
On a limited pitch count in his Double-A debut, the 22-year-old righty continued his explosive return from numerous arm problems, striking out eight of the 17 batters he faced while sitting at 95 and touching 97 mph. The Yankees aren’t really going to unleash him until next spring, but he could be a only a brief time away from the big leagues when that happens.
Maybe ‘Day One’ is the day the new contract is signed.
Betsy,
I doubt you ever see the Yanks (under Cashman) lock up an arb eligible pitcher. Their health is too unpredictable. Part of the advantage of being the Yanks is that they can go yr to yr with pitchers through that process. Wang is a perfect example.
Laura -
I guess it’s a matter of when Damon started counting days.
Country Club, Wang was older and he had a history of inijuries. If Phil has a good year next year, I’d be surprised if the Yankees don’t try to lock him up. He’s a good kid, not prone to getting into trouble and would have proven himself by then.
So Goldstein thinks the Yankees are going to rush that kid? I don’t think so.
I just found this quote from someone from 2005, while searching for something else.
12. Zavo
unpopster,
I pretty much agree with everything you said. I would rather see the Yanks make small “boring” moves that actually might help the team, than “flashy” moves that we all know aren’t going to pan out.
I’m just really hoping there is no Damon signing. I am fine with Bubba to start the season if that means no Damon.
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LOLOL!!
Orsillo and Remy both expressing disappointment that Damon said no to Boston.
“He could have been a big help.”
2005-12-19 14:46:03
Bronx Banter site
LOL! That’s 2 strike three’s in the other batter’s box for Beckett today already. Figgins and Kotchman.
I’ve hated Lucino since the day he came to Boston, just hearing his voice makes my skin crawl.
SJ, I’m curious when you said “he made fun of him”, do you know exactly how he did this?
My take on this thing is that JD was personally offended by both fans and front office in Boston and felt that he would give them all the finger by exercising his no trade. If the fans couldn’t accept the fact that he would have left 12 million off the table by signing with the sox then what else is there to say? Why do you think the sox were on his list of 10 teams that he could refuse a trade to. It has nothing to do with how much he likes his teammates the city or anything. The fact they he said they’re still in it being 10 games back is just ludicrous and everyone knows that.
Bill D
Thanks. You are indeed correct. 4 yrs/40 million
Betsy August 25th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Country Club, Wang was older and he had a history of inijuries. If Phil has a good year next year, I’d be surprised if the Yankees don’t try to lock him up. He’s a good kid, not prone to getting into trouble and would have proven himself by then.
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Proving himself has nothing to do with it. They don’t want to give someone 25 or 30 mil guaranteed just so he can blow his arm out the next yr. They’d rather overpay in the long run and go yr by yr until they HAVE to give them a long term deal. I’m not saying your points don’t make sense, they do. But Cashman doesn’t believe in taking the risk.
I was told by one of the principles on the phone call.
Damon’s explanation was total BS
Country Club, then he’s an odd duck in a period where teams want to lock up their good young starters.
come to think of it , 4-40 sounds like extreme fair offer to Jeter.
Gardner LF
Jeter SS
Teixeira 1B
Cano 2B
Thames DH
Posada C
Granderson CF
Kearns RF
Pena 3B
Doreen, he couldn’t afford me…
Betsy,
Teams do that because they’re willing to roll the dice that the player stays healthy so that they get him cheaper (by buying out arb years) in the long run. The Yanks would rather not take that gamble, even if it costs them some extra money by going yr to yr. You dismissed this earlier, but look at Wang. What if they locked him up after his 2nd 19 win season? They would have signed him to a 4 or 5 yr deal. That’d be 5 – 7 mil wasted this yr…and probably next yr too.
Stuckey99
CountryClub August 25th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Betsy,
Teams do that because they’re willing to roll the dice that the player stays healthy so that they get him cheaper (by buying out arb years) in the long run. The Yanks would rather not take that gamble, even if it costs them some extra money by going yr to yr. You dismissed this earlier, but look at Wang. What if they locked him up after his 2nd 19 win season? They would have signed him to a 4 or 5 yr deal. That’d be 5 – 7 mil wasted this yr…and probably next yr too.
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that strategy has also cost the Yankees hundreds of millions in positional players.
the two most notable ones are Bernie and Jeter. Yanks could have locked those two up with a fraction of cost.
pitcher, on the other hand , I believe the Yanks has the right idea in going year to year, they are simply fragile creatures.
CountryClub probably has the best reasoning for why what Cash does with our young pitchers makes sense. I don’t know that I have a problem with Cashman forcing our young guns to prove themselves for a couple years before grossly overpaying them.
Yankees didnt do the wait until he is a free agent game with Cano and that saved them millions!
Hitters and pitchers a different. Yankees will probably go year to year with Hughes.
if it’s possible , I will go year to year will Mo henceforth, there has been words that he is receptive to that idea.
anybody know if the Yanks play tonite?
Yes, mick, there are people who know.
will it be a ballgame to remember?
So, would it be possible at all that Damon could sign with the Yankees this year?
hope there will be no hyper-vent-elation
It may be memorable in some respect, but records will be kept just in case memories fade.
that strategy has also cost the Yankees hundreds of millions in positional players.
the two most notable ones are Bernie and Jeter. Yanks could have locked those two up with a fraction of cost.
pitcher, on the other hand , I believe the Yanks has the right idea in going year to year, they are simply fragile creatures.
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And Posada & Mo & Pettitte. Like Mark said above, it appears they’ve changed their tune when it comes to the right position player. It’ll be interesting to see if they try to lock Gardner up. My guess is no, since his lack of power will keep his arb figure down.
no more room for johnny on this dynasty
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Cano 2B
Thames DH
Posada C
Kearns LF
Granderson CF
Nunez 3B
we could take pictures or even dvr for posterity
I see David Pauley is throwing a shutout after 6 in Boston. A DH in late August, with King Felix in the nightcap – just what the doctor ordered for the Red Sox. Would that we could arrange one for Tampa.
I’ll give this another go –
brett lf
jeter ss
tex 1b
cano 2b
thames dh
posada c
granderson cf
kearns rf
nunez 3b
phil p
i dvr every game in case something memorable happens
i have erased every game
what does that say about me and/or the yankees?
nick?
those jerry dolls go up or down in value?
I still have WS Game Six on my DVR.
Godzilla!
CountryClub August 25th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
that strategy has also cost the Yankees hundreds of millions in positional players.
the two most notable ones are Bernie and Jeter. Yanks could have locked those two up with a fraction of cost.
pitcher, on the other hand , I believe the Yanks has the right idea in going year to year, they are simply fragile creatures.
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And Posada & Mo & Pettitte. Like Mark said above, it appears they’ve changed their tune when it comes to the right position player. It’ll be interesting to see if they try to lock Gardner up. My guess is no, since his lack of power will keep his arb figure down.
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i see them going year to year with Gardner.
The biggest decisions will be how much and how long to pay for the services of Mo and Jeter.
I would offer Mo top dollars for a year or two.
Jeter for above market value say 4- 40 to 50 million range.
Yankees were bidding against themselves in Arod negotiation , the same case with Jeter.
I haven’t checked the ebay prices on the Jerry bobbleheads… I would love to sell the extra I’m holding for the person who accompanied me to the game and who has no real interest in Jerry or in bobbleheads, but… alas, I can’t. Stupid sentimental value!
Mo won’t get more than 2 yrs. He may even prefer year to year like Pettitte. My guess is that Jeter will get 3 or 4 yrs at 15 mil per. I never would have thought he’d get a paycut, but I also didnt see his performance dropping as far as it has this yr. That being said, he’s still one of the 5 – 7 best SS’s in baseball.
There is no incentive to signing Gardner to a long term contract. As good a season as he’s had, he’s wildly inconsistant in his approach to hitting and base running. That’s something that he needs to fix, or, he’ll be gone.
CountryClub August 25th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Mo won’t get more than 2 yrs. He may even prefer year to year like Pettitte. My guess is that Jeter will get 3 or 4 yrs at 15 mil per. I never would have thought he’d get a paycut, but I also didnt see his performance dropping as far as it has this yr. That being said, he’s still one of the 5 – 7 best SS’s in baseball.
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I say Jeter makes some adjustment, I can see 360+OBP and a .290+ BA I have faith in the captain he has always been hard worker.
I have the following lineups for GTLU so far:
Erin
Fran (the original)
upstate kate
RayVT
Joe S formerly of Brooklyn
Andrew
Yankee Trader
Abe Peterham
Mark – Cant Touch This
champ809
Erica
Tom in NJ
Chuck58
Cashmoney
CT23
justinxdance27
Joe from Long Island
(The only thing everyone agrees on is that Cano will play 2nd and bat 4th.
)
Nick in SF, those Pre-Russian Revolution photos I linked to yesterday are part of a larger Library of Congress exhibit:
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/
CountryClub August 25th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Mo won’t get more than 2 yrs. He may even prefer year to year like Pettitte. My guess is that Jeter will get 3 or 4 yrs at 15 mil per. I never would have thought he’d get a paycut, but I also didnt see his performance dropping as far as it has this yr. That being said, he’s still one of the 5 – 7 best SS’s in baseball.
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he is 36 and possibly on his downside. if Jeter was with any other org, he would not have gotten that 190 millions contract to begin with. A pay cut to me is more than logical.
Jeter needs NY more than vice versa.
Wow-I had totally forgotten about this until I read this tweet. I think I must have blocked them out.
BloggingBombers Thankfully they went away RT @houseruthbuilt What happened to the guys dressed as umpires who followed the Blue Jays last season?
GreenBeret7 August 25th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
There is no incentive to signing Gardner to a long term contract. As good a season as he’s had, he’s wildly inconsistant in his approach to hitting and base running. That’s something that he needs to fix, or, he’ll be gone.
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The incentive would be to have a starting caliber OFer locked up to a cheap contract. And since the game is going back to D and speed, it would also increase his trade value. That being said, i agree with you that they won’t do it.
Ross Ohlendorf is the Ace of the Pirates….gosh the Pirates stink.
GTLU:
Jeter – SS
Swisher – RF
Tex – 1b
Cano – 2b
Posada – C
Thames – DH
Kearns – LF
Granderson – CF
Nunez – 3b
CountryClub August 25th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Mo won’t get more than 2 yrs. He may even prefer year to year like Pettitte. My guess is that Jeter will get 3 or 4 yrs at 15 mil per. I never would have thought he’d get a paycut, but I also didnt see his performance dropping as far as it has this yr. That being said, he’s still one of the 5 – 7 best SS’s in baseball
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I agree that jeter may still be in the top 7 for shortstops – but then he should get the same pay as the other 6 – (i.e. not 15 or 20 million per year)
Thanks, Tom, very interesting stuff.
(except to Jerkface, who apparently only cares about old pictures to look for hotties)
I like Gardner as much as the next guy, but I think he needs to be an everyday player for a couple of seasons before you even think about an extension.
That said, I don’t think the Yanks are going to make an exception for him. He’s not exactly in Cano’s league.
he is 36 and possibly on his downside. if Jeter was with any other org, he would not have gotten that 190 millions contract to begin with. A pay cut to me is more than logical.
Jeter needs NY more than vice versa.
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I’m not saying he shouldnt get a cut. As a matter of fact, in normal circumstance, I agree with your numbers as being fair. But these aren’t normal circumstances. Also, I disagree with him not getting 190 mil from another team (Don’t forget that the Yanks could have had him for much cheaper the yr before…but George backed out at the last second because he didn’t want bad press from the mega deal. Then Arod got his money and Jeter’s price shot up). He may not have gotten exactly 190, but it would have been comparable. Regardless of who needs who, he’s not going anywhere.
CountryClub August 25th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
GreenBeret7 August 25th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
There is no incentive to signing Gardner to a long term contract. As good a season as he’s had, he’s wildly inconsistant in his approach to hitting and base running. That’s something that he needs to fix, or, he’ll be gone.
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The incentive would be to have a starting caliber OFer locked up to a cheap contract. And since the game is going back to D and speed, it would also increase his trade value. That being said, i agree with you that they won?t do it.
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Gardner’s not even arbitration elligible yet. Makes no sesne to lock him up until he starts becoming expensive.
Well Soxs just won the game, I wonder if the M’s front office have finally figured out that you need to score runs to win.
may be late to the game today but did anyone see the latest in umpire crappiness last night in Philly?
What a joke!
It is going to get so bad that players are just going to refuse to let games continue (maybe not but they should), until action is taken against some of these umps.
It is just beyond horrible around the majors this year (not just in NY as someone here would want you to believe).
I was almost hoping Ryan Howard would get his hands on that smug jerk at 3rd base and wipe the smile off his face.
That can’t have a guy that spend three months out of the season afraid to swing the bat or standing glued to first base. a waste of his best asset and he clogs the bases by doing it. he stands there and hitters wait for him to run and he ends up putting the hitters in the hole. They’re constantly 0-1 and 0-2 while waiting for him to get his thumb out of his can.
Would anyone on here trade phil hughes for zach greinke straight up?
To be clear, I never said the Yanks SHOULD sign Gardner long term. I just wondered out loud if they would be willing to do it.
amazing how ny gives up 6 runs in some games against the mariners, but beckett (who has been awful all year when not on the DL) is throwing a 1 hitter.
Chip,
That’s what we were talking about…we were looking down the line.
Doreen,
Everyone agrees that Robbie is playing 2nd and batting 4th- watch Joe give Robbie the day off.
On Gardner…
I know I was dead wrong about him this spring, just remember, Melky looked like an everyday player last year too…
Let’s see him do it on a regular basis before getting out the annointing oils.
I’m still not 100% sure that the Yankees don’t sign Carl Crawford this winter and deal Gardner.
Would anyone on here trade phil hughes for zach greinke straight up?
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nope.
hughes is ny tested. greinke has made comments about now wanting to play in ny, and has anxiety issues (not a knock on him but worrysome with the ny media)
Nick in SF -
Oh! Forgot about those Russian pictures. I looked at those this morning. I had to go back and read where they came from. I was sure someone doctored some new pictures or something. Really unbelievable.
And I read your post about the summer weather. Well, if it was this nice when I was there, maybe I don’t get to the ramen place, so it was meant to be.
Although it would have been nice not to have to pack all that long underwear.
hows that superstar first baseman seattle broke their agreement with the yankees to trade cliff lee for working out? HAHAHAHAHA
I never thought Melky looked like anything more than a 4th OFer. I know this board is 50/50 on that, but I think it’s because too many fans fall in love with homegrown players.
Nick, It is interesting. I stumbled upon them while researching the “Great Game” for a class I’m teaching this year.
about now wanting to play in ny, and has anxiety issues (not a knock on him but worrysome with the ny media)
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I meant about NOT wanting to
Now 4-0 Boston.Laptop Thief Nava with a base knock
Cashman needs to go August 25th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Would anyone on here trade phil hughes for zach greinke straight up?
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I would drive Phil to KC to make that happen.
GTLU
Gardner – 7
Jeter – 6
Teixeira – 3
Cano – 4
Thames – DH
Posada – 2
Kearns – 9
Granderson – 8
Nunez – 5
I never thought Melky looked like anything more than a 4th OFer. I know this board is 50/50 on that, but I think it’s because too many fans fall in love with homegrown players.
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We will all never agree on the Melky/Gardner issue.
Gardner doesnt run as much as we expected, doesnt bunt for hits, essentially doesnt overly use his speed nearly as much as he should. His average is about the same as melky’s, and melky had more homeruns and rbis and a stronger arm in the OF.
That being said, Gardner is not the problem on this team.
Chip August 25th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Cashman needs to go August 25th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Would anyone on here trade phil hughes for zach greinke straight up?
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I would drive Phil to KC to make that happen.
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You’d get run off of the road before you got within a mile of Hughes.
“amazing how ny gives up 6 runs in some games against the mariners, but beckett (who has been awful all year when not on the DL) is throwing a 1 hitter.”
Amazing how NY has six less losses than the Sox and they play all the same teams.
Fran -
My thoughts exactly.
I think either cano or swisher will have a day off today.
Most likely swisher though
“That being said, Gardner is not the problem on this team.”
There’s a problem on this team?
CountryClub August 25th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
he is 36 and possibly on his downside. if Jeter was with any other org, he would not have gotten that 190 millions contract to begin with. A pay cut to me is more than logical.
Jeter needs NY more than vice versa.
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I’m not saying he shouldnt get a cut. As a matter of fact, in normal circumstance, I agree with your numbers as being fair. But these aren’t normal circumstances. Also, I disagree with him not getting 190 mil from another team (Don’t forget that the Yanks could have had him for much cheaper the yr before…but George backed out at the last second because he didn’t want bad press from the mega deal. Then Arod got his money and Jeter’s price shot up). He may not have gotten exactly 190, but it would have been comparable. Regardless of who needs who, he’s not going anywhere.
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that’s the reality , he is not going anywhere.
But at this point, IMO , the Yankees can definitely win without Jeter. He is no longer , offensive or defensive , an irreplaceable cog in this machine. If i was the Yankees , i would exercise due prudence in deciding the length and dollar amount of the contract.Alex’s albatross of contract will factor in here undoubtedly. but two wrongs won’t make a right, if yankees decide to overpaid the guy (who i think has been overpaid in his entire career) because they already have grossly overpaid Arod.
one can argue that giving Jeter another big contract hinders yankees financial flexibility down the road.
Fran the original August 25th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Doreen,
Everyone agrees that Robbie is playing 2nd and batting 4th- watch Joe give Robbie the day off.
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Fran-that is a possibility. He said earlier this week he wants to give him a day off soon. LOL
GTLU
Gardner-LF
Jeter – SS
Tex- 1B
Cano- Dh
Posada- C
Kearns- RF
Granderson- CF
Pena- 2b
Nunez-3B
amazing how ny gives up 6 runs in some games against the mariners, but beckett (who has been awful all year when not on the DL) is throwing a 1 hitter.”
Amazing how NY has six less losses than the Sox and they play all the same teams.
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Yes i know we are better than the sux, i was just in amazement that Beckett is shutting them down. It was more about Beckett sucking than us.
Erin,
Is the weather supposed to be good this weekend for the games?
mariners score 3 in the 7th
Cashmoney…
You dont think the Yankees and Jeter will work out a deal more in line with what Rivers got his last time, 3/45? Some have said $20-$25 Mil for 4 years.
I dont see that happening and i honestly think Jeter is above that.
6 1/3 innings, 3 earned runs against the mariners for beckett.
Granderson’s OPS is up to .766….
now this is the beckett we know and loathe.
BTW, did Girardi give any specific reason a couple of days ago for why he pulled Nova when he did?
Was it because of the Bautista nonsense?
ac1,
Take a look at their stats this yr. You might be be surprised to see that Gardner beats him in every offensive category (including slugging). The only thing he does worse than Melky is K. He has like 24 more than Melky in the same number of AB’s. Add to that the fact that Gardner plays in the AL east and I think it’s safe to say they made the right choice. I looked at Melky’s stats last yr too…and they were no different than this yr, although he had 13 hr’s (compared to 4 this yr) and that brought up his slugging. All his other numbers were the same.
“one can argue that giving Jeter another big contract hinders yankees financial flexibility down the road.”
One could certainly argue that.. if they believe that the financial flexibility of the Yankees is capable of being hindered.
His average is about the same as melky?s, and melky had more homeruns and rbis and a stronger arm in the OF.
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Melky’s best season[first full season]: .280/.360/.391 7 HR 75 R 50 RBI 12 SB 12 assists
Melky last season: .274/.336/.416 13 HR 66 R 68 RBI 10 SB 3 assists
Brett Gardner 2009: .270/.345/.379 3 HR 48 R 23 RBI 26 SB 5 Assists
Brett Gardner 2010: .280/.378/.377 5 HR 76 R 39 RBI 35 SB 10 Assists
(Melky this year: 7 assists, .260/.320/.369 4 HR 41 R 36 RBI 7 SB)
Considering the offenses that melky played on (consensus best in the league ), and the positions he ended up batting in. And given Gardner’s considerablely stronger fielding and base running, along with his superior on base skills and comparable batting skills, I think it is safe to say Gardner is a better player.
Melky was far more inconsistent at the plate than Gardner. Yankees were smart to cut bait when they did.
Melky might have had a good strong arm, but he was really wild and inaccurate in 09 and 08. Gardner might not have the best arm, but he gets the ball out quick and its accurate.
Country , I also think there is really little comparison btw Jeter and Alex as SS. Alex is the greater athlete and player by a big stretch.
jeter has only slugged over 500 once in his career and broke the 900 OPS twice in his entire illustrious career. Jeter has never won a MVP. he has been a consistent good player and a clutch performer over his tenure
Alex’s numbers has been nothing short of brilliant @ SS
Fran the original August 25th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Erin,
Is the weather supposed to be good this weekend for the games?
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Fran- last I checked, it’s suppose to be pretty nice all weekend.
Granderson may end with an ok year afterall… Hoped for more power, but the swings do look better and he doesnt seem lost at the plate anymore.
thats huge, because they cannot depend just on cano and tex everyday.
Manny has finally hit the waiver wire. The good news is that even if the W Sox get him, he shouldn’t play in the series this weekend.
ac1 August 25th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
amazing how ny gives up 6 runs in some games against the mariners, but beckett (who has been awful all year when not on the DL) is throwing a 1 hitter.
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Hard to believe just how often you are right. Must make you proud.
Perhaps jumping the gun isn’t a smart move for you.
edit-*supposed*
Ledger_Yankees Dude singing the anthem tonight sounds like he’s gunning for a spot on this season’s Canadian Idol.
Tabbert -
You ruined my one perfect column!!!
with all the gardner hate, you’d think the yanks would be in the market for a LF this winter
Hard to believe just how often you are right. Must make you proud.
Perhaps jumping the gun isn’t a smart move for you.
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I prefer to think of it as i jinxed him. And i wasnt complaining, i was saying that i am amazed beckett came out and kept them to one hit until i made that comment.
Didnt say i wish we had beckett or yankees suck and sox are great. I didnt say any of that.
ac1 August 25th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Cashmoney…
You dont think the Yankees and Jeter will work out a deal more in line with what Rivers got his last time, 3/45? Some have said $20-$25 Mil for 4 years.
I dont see that happening and i honestly think Jeter is above that.
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sure, Yanks overpays all the time. but I don’t understand the notion that Yanks owe Jeter anything. His service rendered was paid with top dollars.
if anything, how about Jeter taking a hometown discount at this point his career.
Cashmoney August 25th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Country , I also think there is really little comparison btw Jeter and Alex as SS. Alex is the greater athlete and player by a big stretch.
jeter has only slugged over 500 once in his career and broke the 900 OPS twice in his entire illustrious career. Jeter has never won a MVP. he has been a consistent good player and a clutch performer over his tenure
Alex’s numbers has been nothing short of brilliant @ SS
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Alex was the better player, no doubt. But Jeter is one of the 3 or 4 best SS’s of ALL time in his own right. Don’t diminish that fact. Arod got 250 mil…Jeter got 190. That’s a 60 mil difference. That’s a lot of money. And, if you believe in those sites that tell you what a player is worth, Jeter has basically earned the 190 mil over the life of the contract (I think they have his value a tad under 190 over that span).
“one can argue that giving Jeter another big contract hinders yankees financial flexibility down the road.”
One can also argue the Yankees have seen this question/issue coming down the pike for years, and will maintain a flexible budget that won’t necessarily require portions of Jeter’s eventual salary to be borrowed from other areas.
Considering his place with the team, it’s entirely conceivable they’ll do what they have to do and make it overall budget neutral.
I find it somewhat illogical they will pay Jeter reluctantly to maintain/enhance his legacy but knowingly compromise his chances of competing for a title in his final years, which of course are completely at odds with one another.
Once they start negotiations, the Yankees and Jeter will get a deal done quickly. It won’t be public and it won’t be ugly. Although, the NY media will write a ton of garbage from “sources”.
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Alex was the better player, no doubt. But Jeter is one of the 3 or 4 best SS’s of ALL time in his own right. Don’t diminish that fact. Arod got 250 mil…Jeter got 190. That’s a 60 mil difference. That’s a lot of money. And, if you believe in those sites that tell you what a player is worth, Jeter has basically earned the 190 mil over the life of the contract (I think they have his value a tad under 190 over that span).
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no i don’t believe those player is worth, the market determines what a player is worth.
I am diminishing Jeter by saying Alex is great.
Jeter can very well be the 3 or 4 top SS of all time, Alex will be in the convo of 3 or 4 greatest player of all time period. if he had continue play SS for the yanks, you can made a claim he is the greatest player period this side of babe herman ruth.
Gardner has once again been reduced to a platoon role.
Depending on whether they keep Kearns, next year could see Crawford or Werth, for what it’s worth.
I dunno exactly how it works in MLB, but would Jeter’s contract even need to be paid over the years he plays exactly? That sounds strange, I know, but I also heard that Ichiro was very smart about his last contract with the Mariners and asked that half of the money not be paid to him until after he retires. Now, again, I dunno how that counts against payroll exactly, but maybe it could be a feasible way to lessen the yearly cost of a player like Jeter. He still gets the big pay day but by stretching the time period you’re reducing your costs annually.