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Back to Middle America

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It was only two weeks ago that the Yankees kicked off a four-game series in Kansas City. Today they’re back in Middle America, taking a day off before opening a three-game set in Chicago.

This is the Yankees first off day since August 5, a streak of 20 straight games. They won 11 of them. In that time, they dropped from a half-game lead in the American League East to a tie with the Rays. They sent Alex Rodriguez and Lance Berkman to the disabled list, and watched Andy Pettitte suffer a setback.

The Yankees also saw immediate results from Curtis Granderson’s altered mechanics. Their bullpen become the most reliable part of the roster, Ivan Nova made an encouraging first major league start and CC Sabathia won four straight.

This would be a good time for the Yankees to start winning consistently again. In the past 20 days, the White Sox have gone 6-12. They’ve fallen 3.5 games behind the Twins in the AL Central. After this, the Yankees next three series are against non-contenders.

The last three weeks of the schedule are brutal, but right now is a chance to build some momentum.

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119 Responses to “Back to Middle America”

  1. Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    so the sky ISN’T falling?

    Have fun in chicago, best city in America!

  2. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    I always get excited when I’m in the same time zone as the Yankees. :)

    Have a fun day off in Chicago Chad!

  3. Patrick August 26th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    so the sky ISN’T falling?

    Have fun in chicago, best city in America!

    Excuse me?

  4. Erica in NY August 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Erin-

    I hope you have a wonderful tiem at the game Saturday!

  5. BIG AL August 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    I don’t quite understand the folks that think Phil Hughes is not now, or will not in the future be s stud.

    This is Phil’s first full year, so let’s compare him to another young pitcher, that most will agree is a stud, David Price.

    Price: 2009 – 10-7, ERA 4.42, WHIP 1.35, BAA .241
    So far 2010 – 15-5, ERA 2.97, WHIP 1.26, BAA .229

    Hughes – So far 2010 – 15-6, ERA 4.12, WHIP 1.254, BAA .251

    So, when you compare Phil’s first full year to Price’s you can clearly see Phil is on track to be a front of the rotation “Stud”.

  6. JS August 26th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    SJ-

    Love the analysis of Hughes.

    I don’t get why some people complain about him losing “stuff”, or him no longer having a plus CB.

    If you watched some of Hughes minor league starts, the CB isn’t very different. The main difference is that he is now throwing it to MAJOR league hitters not MINOR league. He was able to get hitters out in the minors that couldn’t hit offspeed pitches.

    He’ll just have to adjust, and I have no doubt that he will.

  7. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Seems to me that being able to “tread water” so to speak, during this grueling stretch, missing some key players, isn’t such a bad thing. And during this up-and-down, 500-play period, the Tampa Bay Rays were not able to gain more than 1/2 game.

  8. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Erin
    and a wonderful time as well :)

    2 of the white sox relievers are on the DL

  9. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Erica in NY August 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am
    Erin-

    I hope you have a wonderful tiem at the game Saturday!

    ********************************
    Thanks Erica!! I can’t wait :)

    Is this weekend your Atlantic City trip?

  10. Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    ONE of the best cities in America….better?

  11. LGY August 26th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    First year starting:

    CC Sabathia: 4.39 ERA/1.35 WHIP

    Felix Hernandez: 4.52 ERA/1.34 WHIP

    David Price: 4.42 ERA/1.35 WHIP

    Cliff Lee: 5.43 ERA/1.50 WHIP

    Zack Greinke: 3.97 ERA/1.17 WHIP

    Trevor Cahill since he has been mentioned on this board a lot: 4.63 ERA/1.44 WHIP

    Jered Weaver: 3.91 ERA/1.39 WHIP

    Ubaldo Jimenez: 3.99 ERA/1.43 WHIP

    Matt Cain: 4.15 ERA/1.28 WHIP

    Yovani Gallardo: 3.73 ERA/1.31 WHIP

    Tim Hudson: 4.14 ERA/1.24 WHIP

  12. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:04 am
    Erin
    and a wonderful time as well

    2 of the white sox relievers are on the DL

    **************************
    Thanks kate! I just saw that about the WS relievers this morning.

  13. JM August 26th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Kenny Singleton was saying the other night how glad he was the Yankees off day was in Chicago. :)

  14. Erica in NY August 26th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Thanks Erica!! I can?t wait

    Is this weekend your Atlantic City trip?
    *********************

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The countdown is on!!!!!
    I hit the road as soon as I am allowed to leave work (hopefully 1pm, probably 3)

  15. Mike_Boston August 26th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Chicago is called “2nd city” for a reason Howe. Don’t get me wrong it’s a great city, but there are 3 other cities in the States that are better, IMO, NYC, S.F. and Boston, then Chicago.

  16. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    sounds like a fun weekend for the E&E twins, enjoy :)
    meanwhile, I will be (sniff, sniff) bringing my boy back to college :(

  17. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Our 2 years in Chicagoland was fantastic! We loved the city.

  18. SJ44 August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Chad,

    If you haven’t figured it out already, a players best off day of the year on a roadtrip is to have an offday in Chicago.

    I think that also goes for the beat writers.

    You won’t miss much in here today.

    It looks to be another, “Why is Phil Hughes turning into Matt DeSalvo before our very eyes and who is to blame” Day on the blog.

    JS,

    Thanks. I just get sick of the whole, overblown, over the top criticism of Hughes.

    If he was AJ ages and had AJ’s service time, and never grew as a pitcher, like AJ, I could understand it.

    However, if in March, I said that on August 26, Hughes would have 15 wins, an all star berth, and has been their second best starter all year, folks would have said I’m being too much of a homer.

    The guy is doing his job and doing it very well this season.

    He, like every other pitcher who has ever played the game, is entitled to a bad night and not be graded on this ridiculously high curve no pitcher, or player for that matter, can reach.

  19. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Erica in NY August 26th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The countdown is on!!!!!
    I hit the road as soon as I am allowed to leave work (hopefully 1pm, probably 3)

    ****************************
    Awesome-have a great time!

  20. BIG AL August 26th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    SJ44 -

    I totally agree, well said.

  21. Erica in NY August 26th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 am
    sounds like a fun weekend for the E&E twins, enjoy
    meanwhile, I will be (sniff, sniff) bringing my boy back to college
    *********

    Awww… hang in there Kate. But at least you are a seasoned expert at it now

    I CAN’T WAIT!!!!!!!

  22. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    JM August 26th, 2010 at 9:07 am
    Kenny Singleton was saying the other night how glad he was the Yankees off day was in Chicago.

    ****************************
    That’s right-he was disappointed they’re a week too early for the jazz fest. lol

  23. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    looks like some great match ups for the rays/sox series…first Price/Lester, then Garza/Bucky

  24. MaineYankee August 26th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Kate

    Too bad the Yankees don’t have stud pitchers like that.

  25. Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    actually 2nd city comes from the chicago fire…

  26. JM August 26th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Lived in Chicago for two years. Love the city. The quintessential American city, carved out of the prairie for one reason, to make money! LOL. It is a great place. Not sure if I agree about Boston being better. Different, yes, and appealing in its own way, but not necessarily better. Same with San Fran and of course, the Big Apple. All have their own unique charms.

    And I’d have to throw New Orleans in there in my list of favorite U.S. cities; love the music and the food!

  27. Fran the original August 26th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Erin,
    Hope you bring the Yankees a lot of good luck this weekend. Have fun Saturday :)

    Erica,
    Hope you have a lot of good luck in Atlantic City this weekend. Have fun :)

    Kate,
    Hope everything goes well bringing your son back to college. My brother is taking my nephew to Univ of Maryland this weekend for his 1st semester of college. My nephew can’t wait. My brother is a basket case!

  28. Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I lived in Chicago for 4 years. The only problem with Chicago is that there is nothing around Chicago besides suburbs and then miles and miles and miles of farm land. But the city is awesome. I loved my time there.

  29. ron August 26th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    New orleans is very unique.

    Old traditions die hard.

    A lot of bad luch there lately but they hang in there.Still not back to normal & that is a shame in america.A friend of mine wen’t there after kartina to help build houses & the stories he told & pics were heartbreaking.

    Go yankees.

  30. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    thanks Fran
    He is excited to return, so that helps. It is his 2nd year, and he is sharing an 8 person suite w/ good friends, so that sure beats the freshman dorm!

  31. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Thanks Fran! :)

  32. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    True, Hughsie would be more appreciated if he were on a losing Yankee team or another team.
    Go figure.

  33. ron August 26th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/

    Is this a knuckle curve grip by hughes??

  34. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Isn’t Chicago called the 2nd city cause it nearly burned down from the fire?

  35. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    oh Maine Yankee you are a trouble maker :)

  36. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Erin would know.

  37. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    It would have been nice to see these wonderful “results’ from Curtis The Bum Granderson last night in the 9th inning. No such luck. It’s one thing to get three hits and a homer in a blow-out game the night before. A Bum shows his true colors when it’s crunch time. No surprise to me. The worst trade of the year in baseball.

  38. Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    mick, see my previous post:

    Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 9:22 am
    actually 2nd city comes from the chicago fire?

  39. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Erin would know.

    ************************
    mick, yes it is. :)

  40. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    # Betsy August 26th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Well hey, have a nice morning……………..I’m going to despite the fact that I’ll apparently be sitting shivah for Phil
    =======================
    For those that don’t understand Betsy or Yiddish, translation: Did Phil die? No, just had a bad game.

  41. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    some people actually think its called 2nd city as a derogatory slap, 2nd to NYC, of course, those arrogant New Yorkers.

  42. SJ44 August 26th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Granderson had three hits the night before, including a HR, and you were nowhere to be found after that game.

    He’s hitting over .300, with a nearly .900 OPS since his swing changes took place in KC.

    You come on today to criticize Granderson?

    You are a moron. Go away.

    You aren’t even good at trolling.

    Failing trolling is not something to be proud of.

  43. ron August 26th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Sorry but i just don’t see how ajax’s 2 hr/29 rbi would help us.

    CG has 14 hr/41 rbi in 131 less ab.

    CG is not the problem.

  44. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    He is a Bbbbbum–Capatalized forever. A loser. A failure. A .250 hitter, who stinks in the clutch. He is the one who should go away, along with the Bozos who somehow have a delusion that this BUM will do anything positive for this team this year, next year, and any year this BUM is here.

  45. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Bum Knee -

    His 3 hits and homer in the previous night’s game WAS THE REASON IT WAS A BLOWOUT!

    Stop it with your hate.

  46. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    He was no bum when they beat us in the playoffs.

  47. ron August 26th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    If ajax ever batted .270 wich is not out of the question his numbers would be as ugly as they come.

    It is about driving in runs & getting on base for others to do so & ajax is not that great in either & not in the same league as granderson.

  48. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    The point about Ajax—and the trade. It’s what they got for the three players. They could have done much better. They were collectively a ton of chips. They chose to pic k up a BUM.
    So for all of your narrowmindedness—it’s as much who you get, when you discuss who you gave away.

  49. SJ44 August 26th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    I’m sorry Mr. Jackson, despite your nonense, the Yankees still don’t regret trading your son.

    This moron is just looking for attention. Best to ignore him.

  50. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I lived in Chicago for a weekend and loved it.

    Of course, the Yanks were playing the Sox and the Cubs were in town.

    That helped.

  51. ron August 26th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    CG is not the same player he was before the mechanical adjustments,swisher the same.

    Cg plays a great defense & is coming on strong lately.

    Judge this trade after next year & you might feel differently.

  52. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    mick -

    You are mischaracterizing that statement by Betsy, and that’s not fair. She was being sarcastic, and you know it.

    There really is enough contentiousness and post-space on that subject already, and it doesn’t need to be added to.

  53. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    They had four other homers besides the one the BUM got. Be honest. He has an anemic–OBP–an anemic RISP—he strikes out more than Mighty Casey–and he is a failure in the clutch. Stop thinking and comparing him to Jackson, who is the likely ROY. They could have done much better rather than this BUM.

  54. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    # mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    He was no bum when they beat us in the playoffs.
    ==================================
    No response to that one?

  55. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Sorry Doreen, thought I was helping the non-Yiddish speaking crowd.

  56. mick August 26th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    You are mischaracterizing that statement by Betsy, and that’s not fair. She was being sarcastic, and you know it.

    There really is enough contentiousness and post-space on that subject already, and it doesn’t need to be added to.
    ========================================
    And I can’t be sarcastic?
    Sorry I went over the limit, didn’t get that memo.

  57. ron August 26th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Ajax is a nice lille player,nothing more & far from an elite one.

    Outside of his .306 ba his numbers are terrible.

  58. jacksquat August 26th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    ron August 26th, 2010 at 9:34 am
    http://riveraveblues.com/

    Is this a knuckle curve grip by hughes??

    yes

  59. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Granderson is going on 30 years old. He is who he is. These mechanical adjustments are a load of tripe. In the course of time, he will strike-out at the same rate, hit lefties at the anemic same rate, misjudge fly balls in center at the same rate, tap his bat twice on the inside corner and once on the outside corner at the same rate, and continue to be a BUM at the same rate.

  60. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    mick -

    Sorry. I’m just getting so tired of the whole thing, you know?

  61. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    One more time–it’s not about Austin Jackson, or Phil Coke (who has had a great year) or Ian Kennedy ( a former first round draft pick and 2007 Minor League Pitcher of the year)—it’s the BUM they decided to pick up for all of these bargaining chips.

  62. mick August 26th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    No problem Doreen.
    Been to the Ga. Pig yet?

  63. Joe from Long Island August 26th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Good morning, all –

    I lived in Chicago for 9 years. It is a very interesting city, you just have to take the weather into account. Lots to do, great places to eat.

    I used to go to Comiskey Park all the time. In those days, Bill Veeck owned the team, and we got to see Rent- A – Stars Richie Zisk and Oscar Gamble; Haray Caray and Jimmy Piersall doing the games (now that was a hoot! They combined rooting for the team, calling out players on both teams, and off-color jokes.), and the infamous Disco Demolition Night. Cheap seats, cheap beer, and free parking, lol!

  64. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    mick–as far as Granderson’s great post season play–here’s my response–go take a gander at his work in his only World Series. I’ll save the suspense for you.

  65. mick August 26th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Jackson would still be in AAA, Logan replaced Coke and is better, Ian Kennedy? sure he fits right in…

    Why don’t you respond to Curtis’ performance against us in the ALDS?

  66. pat August 26th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Nick in SF

    A chili dog w/Margie is a photo tribute screaming to be taken advantage of on your next trip to Vallejo.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._dogs.html

  67. mick August 26th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    ok the ALDS doesn’t count…only the bad things count…take a pill

  68. MaineYankee August 26th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    BumKnee

    As a RS fan how did you choose which injury to use as your handle?

  69. mick August 26th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    I think Curtis is a sensitive soul who will adjust to NYC.

  70. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    World Series versus ALDS?–no there’s a wonderful way to analyze a ballplayer.
    What’s wrong with having both Logan and Coke? You guys are so clueless.

  71. MaineYankee August 26th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 9:35 am
    oh Maine Yankee you are a trouble maker

    ———————————————————————

    I’ve been known to be. :lol:

  72. mick August 26th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    And when he does he will be revered by Yankee fans.
    All it takes is one good post- series to cement himself here.
    And a ring would do wonders.

  73. mick August 26th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Coke was a loser who is thriving under the lack of pressure in Det.
    He blew up last year in the post.

  74. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    MaineYankee—you conclude who I root for the same way that you decide for yourself who is a positive and productive player and who is a BUM. You’re consuming way too much shellfish.

  75. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    mick–Coke blew up in the postseason? And Granderson had a great World Series. You’ll be fine very soon.

  76. sunny615 August 26th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    A nice win streak would be handy right about now. Splitting in KC was not a plus. This is the soft part of the schedule and they need to take advantage. So far, they haven’t done that well. Even with the injuries, this team should have enough to beat teams like KC, Seattle et al. (with the exception of King Felix of course). This time off will hopefully give the Yankees a chance to catch their breaths and start beating on teams that they’re supposed to be beating on.

  77. mick August 26th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    you obviously don’t follow the Yankees and if you do you’re the one missing something.

  78. champ809 August 26th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Ron

    Sometimes its best to think before you type when it comes to blogging.

    ex. Austin Jackson has a higher obp then Granderson so he is in fact better at getting on base the Granderson.

    As far as the rbi’s AJax hits in the #1 spot for a team that gets little to no production from the bottom of its lineup meaning the rbi opportunities are few and far between for him.

    Grandy on the other hand primarily has hit in the #7 hole for us behind 6 guys who have a combined obp of about .370+ meaning he’s getting plenty of chances to drive in runs. His 41 rbis are actually a terrible # for him and we all know that he’s sucked with the bat until recently making changes to his swing( kudos to him for taking the step towards recovery).

    I’d venture to guess that if AJax were on the Yanks he’s have a lot more than 29 rbis and probably more than 40 right about now.

    As much as many on here hate to accept it AJax is on pace to finish his rookie year with this slash line;

    .300+ avg/.360+obp/ 105runs/ 192hits/40 2bs/9-10 3Bs/ 4 HRs/ 33 sbs/ 170ks

    That would be an excellent 1st yr to a career for him and if he improves his game he has a chance to be a impact type leadoff hitter for years to come.

    Doesn’t change the fact that @ the time the trade logic made perfect sense from Ca$h’s standpoint.

  79. Shame Spencer August 26th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Am I the only person that thinks Boston is nothing more than a glorified town?

  80. MaineYankee August 26th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    BumKnee

    I guess your knowledge of Maine is about the same as baseball.

    Not much.

  81. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Curtis the Sensitive Soul. Wow, that says it all about a clueless poster. Let’s delve further—He is a graduate of the University of Chicago, is literate, and doesn’t chew tobacco.

  82. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    There is no way the Yankees would have had a starting outfield of Gardner, AJax and Swish, so all this talk of AJax is a moot (and mute I wish) point.

  83. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    I’m waiting patiently for this report on Curtis Granderson’s one World Series numbers. I’m concluding that no one wants to comment on them because of what they are. Specifically–worse tthan a BUM would do. Comically, let’s talk about Jackson, Coke, and Kennedy and their shortcomings.

  84. Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    For the record, Granderson went to University of Illinois in Chicago, not University of Chicago. Big Difference.

    Not that it matters one iota.

  85. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    upstatekate–try to think outside the box. I know it’s hard for you, and some others–it’s not about trading the players they did (that’s fine under many circumstances) It’s what they got in VALUE for what they gave up. Can you wrap your arms around that concept?

  86. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    I am having an impossible time trying to get it through my daughter’s head that she will not e able to get tickets to the Yankees/Boston game on a Saturday in September. I already went to the Yankees site and showed her (a) you could not get 2 or more seats together at an affordable price – only single seats; and (b) she’s not spending $375.00 per seat. She just went to stubhub and there was a $25 seat, but it was a lone seat. I am doing a slow burn, because she’s being incredibly stubborn on this.

    Thanks for letting me vent. It’s either that or kill her. :)

  87. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Howie Farr—thanks for correcting me. How about correcting the other smart posters here regarding Curtis’ stellar World Series? Can you report on that with equal zeal?

  88. Howe Farr August 26th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    BumKnee, I could care less about that. I do agree with you that the trade was a bad trade. But whatever, there are reasons why the trade was made and It might look bad now, but i’m willing to wait it out to see how everything falls into place.

  89. ron August 26th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    champ809

    Sorry but i am just not impressed by a player with 2 hr in almost 500 ab.

    Ajax is a nice player but against rh pitchers wich is about 70 % of the time ajax is not in grandersons league.

  90. MaineYankee August 26th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Doreen

    It’s easy for her to spend $375 on a ticket when it’s your money. :lol:

  91. Shame Spencer August 26th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Doreen, if you wait it out you might end up finding more reasonably priced seats. Sometimes, although its not ideal, I wait till the morning of a game to get them because the prices drop immensely. The reason the prices are so high now is because people are assuming the game will matter, but if as it gets closer it looks like it won’t be as big of a deal, they may drop off.

  92. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Howie Farr—allow me to gaze into my Crystal Ball for you. Granderson is soon to be a platoon player. Thames and Kearns will see to that. Into the post season, Granderson will continue to fail with men on base and against the majority of pitchers who throw more than 88 mph (unlike his barrage on Tuesday night) He will be booed to death, and the replays you will see of him will be those with his head down, as he returns to the dugout after another important at-bat where he took the big K.

  93. ron August 26th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    champ809

    I also am not saying we are much better with cg but i seriously doubt we are worse off.

    Now if ajax developes some power i will change my mind but he strikes out a ton & if his ba dips his slash lines are ugly.

    Granderson is terrible against lefties,i’ll give you that but by all means we did not get robbed with this trade.I wouldn’t be too upset if we kept ajax either,i just don’t think the trade hurts us too the point where it’s worth debating.

    Let’s see what cg does the rest of this year & next.

    As of late his production has been fine.

  94. BumKnee August 26th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Production mattered with the bases loaded and two outs in the 9th inning last night. It matters less in a game when there are 4 other guys hitting homers.

  95. pat August 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    “allow me to gaze into my Crystal Ball for you.”

    Crystal balls that don’t give you winning lottery numbers are paperweights. :sad:

  96. champ809 August 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Ron

    HRs are just 1 aspect of the game and AJax is a young player….his power will come.

    Bernie Williams hit 5 HRs his 1st full season in the majors but he settled in and kept developing and so will AJax i suspect.

    However right now he has performed exceedingly well in the job that the tigers have asked of him; Play good D, get on base and create and score runs….. he’s played GG defense is top10 in the league in runs scored for a bad offensive team and has proven to be a astute on the bases.

    Granderson has for the most part failed in the job that the Yanks have asked him to do which was to provide power in the middle of the lineup. He may be waking up now after his work with K Long and if he plays well down the stretch and in the playoffs then it’s all good.

    But really at this point imo looking for ways to knock what AJax has done so far in his rookie campaign looks silly and just can’t see why we can’t just give credit where it’s due. many on this board thought his avg would be down in the .250′s by now and yet he’s hitting .310….

    If he finishes the season with 40 2bs and 10 3bs the tigers I’m sure will feel certain that some of those drives in the future will find the seats. He looks to be a very, very good player and imo is making the Yanks player development program look very very good!

    Along with Coke and IPK and Tabata and a few other former Yanks kids scattered around baseball currently.

  97. 86w183 August 26th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Doreen —

    Don’t kill her… just do what I did with my girls… let them check stub hub and the Yankees site themselves. They become more manageable when they fail on their own rather than viewing you/me as failing them.

    bumknee…

    We get your point.. you can’t stand Granderson and hate the trade. Now can you please move on from your one and only topic?

    3/4 of a season is no way to evaluate any individual trade. Bring it up again after the World Series and see how the season turned out. Not that one full year is the complete picture, but it will put things in a better context. Ignoring the shortcomings of the traded guys while exaggerating the weaknesses and ignoring the strengths of Granderson is no way to make a point unless you’re on a middle school playground

  98. Jerkface August 26th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Bernie didnt set the strike out record for a player with less than 5 HRs when he came up, and he much better plate discipline.

  99. Jerkface August 26th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Not to mention he hit 5 HRs in 62 games. Not 162.

  100. 86w183 August 26th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    champ 809 —

    Gold Glove defense? AJax can go catch it, but he has five errors. Granderson has one.

  101. 108 stitches August 26th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Painful as it is to say, it would be of more benefit to the Yankees if Boston took 2 of 3 from the Rays over the weekend while business is taken care of in the Windy City from a Yankee sweep of the White Sox.

  102. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    108 stitches
    my head agrees w/ you, but my heart wants the sox to lose!

  103. Chuck58 August 26th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    “upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 10:18 am
    There is no way the Yankees would have had a starting outfield of Gardner, AJax and Swish, so all this talk of AJax is a moot (and mute I wish) point.”

    Good one, Kate, especially in light of how so many people use “mute point” :-)

  104. sunny615 August 26th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    I should go get my cheese out of the fridge. There’s a whole lot of whine here today.

  105. champ809 August 26th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Jerky

    The point is not comparing AJax to Bernie just that power usually comes later in young players particularly guys who are not power hitters.

    and you can cite error totals all you want AJax is a much better defensive CF’er than Grandy playing in one of the biggest parks in the game.

    I was reading some scouting reports about a month ago and about 5 advance scouts in the AL were of the opinion that Guti and AJax were the 2 best OF’ERS in the AL and 1 thought that AJax had played slightly better than Guti up til that point in the season.

    And again for as much as I hated seeing AJax go I was and am a supporter of the trade at the time and hope that Grandy can get on track as I believe he’s a better player than what he’s shown so far.

    I’m just that yanks fan that also will root for AJax and Tabata to do well also as I was rooting for them when they represented pieces of our future.

  106. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Maine Yankee -

    Believe me, it wouldn’t be my money!!! :lol:

    Shame Spencer -

    I could tell her that, I guess – to wait for the day of the game and see if there are any reasonably priced tickets. One of the problems is that 4 of them want to go. I’m okay if they’re sitting 2 and 2, but no way am I going to be okay with her sitting by herself at YS. No flippin’ way.

  107. upstate kate August 26th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    why thank you Chuck, happy it amused someone :)

  108. pat August 26th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    108

    Problem is there is no guarantee of a Yankee sweep so I have to root for the 2 horse race rather than the possibility of it becoming a 3 horse race.

  109. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    86w183 -

    Good idea.

    Thanks.

  110. LGY August 26th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    “HRs are just 1 aspect of the game and AJax is a young player….his power will come.

    Bernie Williams hit 5 HRs his 1st full season in the majors but he settled in and kept developing and so will AJax i suspect.”

    ———————————-

    Bernie actually hit 12 HRs in his first full season and still that was only in 139 games. The 5 HRs came in 62 games the prior year. Not close to a full season.

    Nothing in Austin Jackson’s track record suggests he will develop power. It is fine to discuss what may make him a good ballplayer, but claiming he will develop power is simply unrealistic at this point.

  111. Joe from Long Island August 26th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Doreen – Don’t kill her, the paperwork and hassle afterwards is a drag ;)

    Seriously, as a parent (step-parent, so I guess that counts a bit) myself, I feel your pain. Unless you can get a total stranger to come in and independently validate your point (the man in the closet phenomenon), you’ll have to let her figure it out on her own. It’s part of the growing up/seeking independence process. In the grand scheme of things, it’s only money (I know, I know) and if it helps build maturity it’s a worthwhile investment.

    Just do me a favor. When I’m in your predicament with my own stepson, please give me the same pep talk.

  112. munson15 August 26th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Bumknee. Move on. You got boring 15 minutes ago.

  113. MaineYankee August 26th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    champ809

    I don’t think the Yankees viewed Granderson as a middle of the order hitter. That wasn’t a need to be filled. Possibly as a #2 hitter or more pop lower in the order.

  114. sunny615 August 26th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Hey Chad – can you initiate a Facebook like comment section… the feature I’m most interested in is the “HIDE” feature. It’d be nice to be able to ignore some posters completely and not even see their posts.

  115. LGY August 26th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    No one has claimed that AJax’s season has not been good results wise. The problem with Jackson is projecting him going forward.

    His still sky high .426 BABip and tons of Ks are not a recipe for success going forward. The problem is that no one knows when exactly that will catch up to him. It probably won’t even happen this season at this point.

  116. LGY August 26th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Jackson’s splits this year are strange also.

    In the minors he hit LHP at a .290 average (.282 vs RHP) and .810 OPS (.736 OPS vs RHP).

    Now this year he is hitting RHP at .328 and .821 OPS but LHP at only .244 and .610 OPS.

    As a RHB to continue to have that split after his track record in the minors is strange.

  117. Erin August 26th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    New Post: Looking ahead to September

    :arrow:

  118. 86w183 August 26th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I agree that errors alone don’t tell the whole story, especially low error totals but five errors for an outfielder is too many in any park. Granderson, Gardner and Swisher combined have five errors.

    I don’t know about the scouting reports you’ve seen, but any scout who thinks AJax (who I agree is a very good CF) is better than Gutierrez needs to find a new line of work.

    I liked the trade when it happened and still do, but it would have been nice to hold on to Coke — lefty arms like that are pretty valuable.

  119. Doreen August 26th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Joe from Long Island -

    Yes!! The man in the closet phenomenon. ANYONE’S opinion has more validity than mine; and if I give her one, she has to check it out with as many people as she can. Sigh. I promise I’ll give the same pep talk if you need it. I KNOW what’s going on, but it’s not any easier to go through it.

    What cracks me up here is when I tell her she can make plans for next season and have a better shot at it, she looks at me like “why would I do that when I want to go now?”

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