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Postgame notes: Nova stepping in and stepping up

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees White Sox BaseballHard to believe the difference between the first game of this series and the last. On Friday, the Yankees were in trouble. The team had lost three out of four, Joe Girardi was talking about shaking up the rotation and the road trip had the potential to be the Yankees worst of the season.

This afternoon, the mood was light and upbeat. Andy Pettitte had come through a strong bullpen, Lance Berkman was heading for a rehab assignment and a 23-year-old kid had the game ball sitting in his locker, having just pitched his way to a one-run win that was his first in the big leagues.

“We’re asking a young man to step up and that’s exactly what he’s doing,” Girardi said.

Ivan Nova said he felt no nerves, “just emotions” when he went to the mound today. It was 92 degrees at first pitch, the stadium was packed for Frank Thomas Day and the Yankees were in the thick of a pennant race. Nova had exactly one big league start under his belt, but he struck out seven, walked one and allowed just one extra-base hit.

“Maybe you guys never had an opportunity to see him in the minor leagues, but he’s always been the same way,” Francisco Cervelli said. “That’s what we try to do. It’s nothing different. Just a couple thousand more fans.”

Two starts into his career, it’s Nova’s poise that stands out. He’s been comfortable mixing all four pitches, and the curveball he promised would be better this time, was in fact better. Girardi waited only seconds into his postgame interview to announce that Nova would be making a third start.

“I’m ready, of course,” Nova said. “All the time.”

Here’s Girardi’s postgame. All the bangs and clangs you hear in the background is the truck being loaded with all of the Yankees bags and equipment.

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Yankees White Sox Baseball• Big game for Cervelli. He came into the game with three hits this month, then went 4-for-4 for the first time he can remember, but he and Girardi each said Cervelli’s biggest moment was throwing out Brent Lillibridge trying to steal in the eighth inning. “I think every manager watches numbers, the percent of my throws,” Cervelli said. “It’s low, so they’re going to do it. I was ready and I had a good throw. That’s it.”

• Asked to remember his last four-hit game, Cervelli thought for a moment: “I think… never.” he said. Then he tried again to come up with a four-hit game he might have had in the minor leagues somewhere, but he again came up blank. “No chance,” he said. “Just three, that’s it.”

• I would imagine there are now a lot of Marcus Thames fans out there. He has a hit in 13 of his past 14 starts, and now has a home run in four straight starts. Five of his nine homers this season have come off righties.

• The scouting report on Thames is that he hits fastballs. At this point, he said, he’s used to getting nothing but breaking balls when he comes to the plate. “I’m just trying to get a good pitch to hit,” Thames said. “If they hang something, I get it.”

Yankees White Sox Baseball• Nick Swisher went 5-for-13 this series and is hitting .385 against the White Sox this year. Think he likes playing his old team?

• Brett Gardner hit .333 this road trip, including an RBI single that stood as the decisive blow today.

• One night after the bullpen was a little shaky, Boone Logan, Kerry Wood, Joba Chamberlain and Mariano Rivera combined for 3.1 scoreless. Wood has a 0.71 ERA over his past 11 appearances.

• Girardi pulled Nova after 88 pitches because he thought Nova was starting to get up in the zone. “I decided it was time to make a change,” Girardi said.

• Mark Teixeira is day-to-day and wasn’t able to do much this afternoon. He said his bone bruise did not feel significantly better, but he’s hopeful a day of treatment will do him some good. “It didn’t feel good so I figured best to give it a rest and hope for the best tomorrow,” he said.

• Lance Berkman said he has still not been officially told he’s going to Trenton tomorrow, but he’s heard that “through the grapevine.” Girardi confirmed it during his pregame session, so you can count on Berkman being there tomorrow for a short two-game stint.

• A glimpse into Berkman’s personality: When the group of reporters asked him how quickly he thought he could be back, Berkman immediately went to his brand of self-deprecating humor. “I’m sure fans can’t wait for me to resume my pursuit of the Mendoza line,” he said.

Associated Press photos of Cervelli, Jeter and Thames

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402 Responses to “Postgame notes: Nova stepping in and stepping up”

  1. Crawdaddy August 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Berkman is somebody I’ll be rooting for so that some Yankee fans can get off his case.

  2. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    LOL Berkman…………..I love the guy and I think he’s going to be a very valuable contribtor ( much as Kearns and Wood have been).

    I’ve been a fan of Thames since the beginning…………I thought it was ridiculous how people gave up on him in ST.

    Tex’s injury doesn’t sound so promising; I’d be surprised if he plays tomorrow.

  3. Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Doreen August 29th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    Hi Erica -

    How’d you do? Have fun???
    ************

    I had a GREAT time!!!!!!!

    I shopped, I explored, I hit the spa, I ate, I drank, I saw Stevie Nicks, I saw Aerosmith…..

    Unfortunately…. I also lost :-(

  4. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    I was always a Timzie guy. Funny how the guy people wanted to keep instead of him got popped for steroids lol.

  5. Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    GB….I meant frequent flier miles….

  6. Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    I listened to today’s game on the radio….

    I wish someone gave me $1 everytime John Sterling said “poise” regarding Nova

  7. m August 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Kinda breaking news. The White Sox will take on Manny’s remaining $4.3M in a straight claim.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-.....id=5510704

  8. Doreen August 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Erica -

    Too bad about the “lost” part, but the rest of the weekend sounds like a real winner!!

    :)

  9. Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Erica, when you see Ms. Stevie Nicks, that’s a win……Money is replacable, seeing her is not……How good was my shower singing fantasy girl ????

  10. Doreen August 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Manny in Chicago. Okay. Guess they’ll be taking down the Mannywood sign out in LA.

  11. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Can’t say enough about how big Moseley and Nova have been for the Yankees.

    Small sample size or not, those guys have really come through so far in a crucial part of the season.

    That’s the great thing about baseball. You never know who will step up and contribute to the cause.

  12. m August 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Doreen,

    Ozzie & Manny: Two Loco Dudes.

  13. Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    Erica, when you see Ms. Stevie Nicks, that’s a win……Money is replacable, seeing her is not……How good was my shower singing fantasy girl ????
    ***********

    She was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    She did a solid 2 hour show.. no opening act. No fancy intro. Just straight up Stevie.

    I wasn’t really sure what to expect from a small casino show, but the place was filled to the max and I was shocked by how into it the fans were. (I wasn’t sure how many people there would be real fans vs comped tickets). It seemed like everyone in the arena was wearing some sort of Stevie gear… and everyone sang along on almost every song.

    I really liked her set list too. She seems to get more and more into some songs with age. “Gold Dust Woman” was a real highlight.

  14. pat August 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    It would be kind of fun to see Manny use his no trade to see how many heads would explode.

  15. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    I went to this pizzeria for dinner with my family and the guy who owns the place said he was a 16 year old prospect who the Mets wanted to give a try out to for their high A-team. His father said no because he wanted him to keep working due to the family not having $$$. I asked him if he ever wondered “what if” and he said all the time. I felt really bad for him….to have to wonder all the time?

    He asked how big of a Yankee fan I was, I told him and then he started asking me questions. I said “no problem, keep going” because I love baseball history and I know a few things. First question he asked me was who played 1B for the 1961 Yankees – of course it was Skowron. I had to shush my father up on that one – that was easy for him to know (well it was easy for me). Then he asked me a few other Babe Ruth questions – very interesting dinner, lol

  16. Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    The White Sox have 7 games left against Boston…

    That will be fun to see :-)

  17. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    When Andy comes back, I guess Moseley will go back to being the long man………..good man. I wonder if he’ll make the post-season roster.

  18. Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Doreen August 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    Erica -

    Too bad about the “lost” part, but the rest of the weekend sounds like a real winner!!
    **********

    Its only money…. :-)

    I had a really great weekend

  19. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Manny and Ozzy could probably spin this next month into a reality show.

    Sterling was saying how it would be bad news for the Red Sox as they have 7 games remaining against Chicago and Manny could be inspired to showcase his A game.

  20. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
    GB….I meant frequent flier miles….

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If you’re referring to Nurse Karloff, that would be “Frequent Flies”.

  21. Doreen August 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    m -

    I was thinking that, too. Ozzie & Manny. The new Odd Couple. :)

  22. PittsburghYankeeFan August 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Ivan Nova–who’da thought?

    These guys are going to really start hitting their stride in September, once ARod returns. Too many guys below career numbers at once. Pettitte is back in time for TB, let’s hope.

    So the rotation is CC, Pettitte, Nova, Hughes, AJ/Moseley with Javy for mopup unless his dead arm reawakens.

    The Yankees haven’t had a long run of 9-10 wins all season…maybe they can do it now and have a 4-5 game lead going into the away TB series in two weeks. That would mean going 1-2 only gives up a game, and hopefully they’re up by 3 leaving TB.

    The season looks like it’s coming down to the YS homestand with TB x 3 and Boston x 4. Maybe, just maybe they clinch a playoff spot the last game of the homestand….

  23. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Nova the 3rd starter?

  24. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    “Sterling was saying how it would be bad news for the Red Sox as they have 7 games remaining against Chicago and Manny could be inspired to showcase his A game.”

    I was thinking the same thing.

  25. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    That doesn’t make any sense – if Manny is shot, he’s shot. Is he going to be more motivated against the Sox than he was against the rest of the NL, when the Dodgers needed him?

  26. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Watching this game right now…..I have to keep reminding myself I want the Sox to win.

    It’s like Shields strikes someone out and I think “Cool!” then I say “Wait! That’s not cool at all!”

    go sox?

  27. jackamir August 29th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Tampa/ ST. Pete is a joke. Red Sox vs. Rays and the Trop is half full. Or in Tampa half empty.

  28. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Manny’s not shot. His power may be shot, but he can still be a very good hitter.

  29. Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    Manny and Ozzy could probably spin this next month into a reality show.

    Sterling was saying how it would be bad news for the Red Sox as they have 7 games remaining against Chicago and Manny could be inspired to showcase his A game.
    **********

    I said that right before you! LOL

  30. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Will Ortiz shoot up his old pal Manny when they see each other – considering they will be opponents?

    Or vice versa?

  31. Doreen August 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Bronx Jeers -

    That’s funny. :) (and so true)

  32. Patrick August 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Haha Lance Berkman owns

  33. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Sir Lancelot is handling this in stride, which bodes well for his stay in NY. He’s already been declared a bust, which makes me root for him all the more

  34. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    # Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    **********

    I said that right before you! LOL

    ————————————————

    I’m just channeling Erin.

  35. Melk Man August 29th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    “Will Ortiz shoot up his old pal Manny when they see each other – considering they will be opponents?

    No… Ortiz only shoots up those on his own team (a la Danny Nava and Ronald McDonald)

  36. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Melk

    Ronald shoots up himself quite well. He’s been suspended in the minors for it!

    And Im not sure Nava would want to put steroids into his body – he needs a functioning “you know what” if he ever wants to tag Erin Andrews – with whom he has an infatuation.

  37. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    GB7

    So I guess randy tried to make sure new posters passed muster.

    He and I had our moments at first.

    I don’t know what he’s talking about in regards to Livan.

    I thought we all thought randy new all so we believed everything he said.

  38. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    I have a quick question for those rooting for the Rays tonight.

    Many have said you are rooting for the Rays so the Sox will be buried.

    If the Rays win tonight will you consider the Red Sox buried?

  39. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    No, LGY – I just can’t bring myself to root for the Sox, I just can’t.

  40. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    I would say their chances don’t look very good, though

  41. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Maine, him and I had our issues. I thought he was a jerk and he thought the sun rose and set with me, so that’s the only thing we agreed on.

    actually, I think that the Hernandez stuff started just after I come on here. I assumed that he was senile…LMAO. He really is a lot of fun just to break up some of the crap that goes on here, just bantering back and forth. I can’t imagine there being some more enjoable BS sessions in a bar than with Randy, SJ, CB, Pat M., you and MTU. Not so sure that the bar would be pleased to see such a motley, scruffy bunch, though.

  42. Tom in N.J. August 29th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Here’s what this blog would read like if the Swedish Chef wrote it:

    http://tinyurl.com/29f5ouy

  43. Nick in SF August 29th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    So what’s the deal here?

    Folks that are in denial about their lingering Sox fear are rooting for the Rays and folks who wants what’s best for the Yankees are rooting for the Sox?

  44. CB August 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    With his two home runs today Montero got finally got his slugging percentage above .500 – which I believe is the first time he’s done that all season.

    What a hitter. Hard to speak to how good he is and what he’s accomplished by the age of 20.

    In many ways – this year he’s had in AAA was ideal.

    Finally experiencing true struggle at the plate and then going through the process of learning to make adjustments and get out of those difficulties is going to do him a world of good for the rest of his career.

    It’s far better that he struggled so much the first half and then went on to utterly crush the league than if he crushed the league from the start.

    He learned an important lesson about what it means to be a professional.

    Two months into the season he had a sub .700 OPS. By the all star break that was up to .743.

    He finished the season with a .863 OPS. That is just remarkable.

    He put up an OPS of close to 1.100 the second half of the season as a 20 year old in AAA.

    He can flat out rake.

  45. Eroc August 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    “Folks that are in denial about their lingering Sox fear are rooting for the Rays and folks who wants what’s best for the Yankees are rooting for the Sox?”

    Pretty much.

  46. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Um, are you saying that those who don’t want the Sox to win are not Yankee fans?

  47. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Thanks for the insight on Montero. So is it possible for him to action in the majors next season – if he progresses a bit behind the plate?

  48. SAS August 29th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Just got back from dinner, and I am thinking maybe I should root for Sox tonight. I can’t do that so I am watching as though I don’t give a hoot who wins.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Erica,

    Glad you had such a good weekend sans the money part.

  49. Nick in SF August 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Of course not.

    Just that they’re confused about what’s best for our Yankees.

  50. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    GB7

    I think randy forgot he wasn’t a black bear from Maine, just a teddy bear from the cushy region. :lol:

  51. kd August 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    cb,

    that’s very encouraging.

    if he can dh 40 games next year, can he possible catch 40?

  52. SAS August 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Manny to the White Sox….does he have a contract for next year too, or is he simply and expensive rent=a-player.

  53. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    lol could Jon Miller sound any more excited over an rbi hit and a bad hop rbi base hit. Is this game 1 of the world series, Jon Miller?

  54. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    GB7

    I think randy forgot he wasn’t a black bear from Maine, just a teddy bear from the cushy region.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There were times that I thought that he was more badger than bear.

  55. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    I want the Sox to win. That puts the Yankees alone in first.

    You also have three more games knocked off the schedule where the Sox don’t pick up any ground on the Yankees.

    The ultimate win-win weekend from the Yankees perspective.

    Then again, I don’t have the paranoia some have for the Red Sox because I don’t believe they are catching the Yankees nor will make the playoffs.

  56. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Tom in NJ,

    That’s awesome.

    Here’s Erica’s review of the Stevie Nicks concert in “Jive” dialect

    She wuz AMAZING! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Preach it loud, bruddah!! Right on!

    She dun did some solid 2 hour show, so cut me some slack, Jack.. no openin’ act. Man! No fancy intro. ‘S coo’, bro. Just straight down Stevie.

    I wuzn’t real sho’ man whut t”spect fum some small casino show, but da damn place wuz filled t’de max and ah’ wuz shocked by how into it da damn fans wuz. (I wuzn’t sho’ man how many sucka’s dere would be real fans vs comped tickets). It seemed likes everyone in de arena wuz wearin’ some radical Stevie gear… and everyone sang along on mos’ every beat.

    I real likesd ha’ set list too. ‘S coo’, bro. She seems t’get mo’e and mo’e into some beats wid age. “Gold Dust Mama” wuz some real highlight. Man!

  57. Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    CB….Montero’s #’s are just sick…..A stick like that the organization might want to protect from the rigors of catching especially since there’s some concerns if he’ll actually be a catcher 5 years from now…….

  58. CB August 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Montero can hit major league pitching. He’s ready.

    That said, I don’t think he’s going to start the season in the bigs. They’ll likely leave him in AAA and make him force their hand and call him up by continuing to do what he’s doing.

    It’s always hard to balance what to do when a kids bat is so much more advanced than his glove.

    But Montero is going to force their hand relatively early next season. He’s going to wind up DH’ing a lot and then catching as well against slower teams.

    It’s hard to know with his position. What is clear now is that barring a trade he has the chance to be for the next generation of yankee teams what Alex Rodriguez has been for this generation of yankee teams – the foundation around which the line up is built.

    Montero may be the best young hitter the yankees have had in their minor league system since the amateur draft started.

    That’s no guarantee in any way of major league success. But that’s how good Montero has been so far.

  59. NYY fan in NH August 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Manny’s just in time for the Sox series this weekend in Fenway. If that series doesn’t motivate him, then I don’t know what will.. I hope he buries the Sox further back in the standings. Yanks got to take care of their own business first though.

  60. Erica in NY August 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    Tom in NJ,

    That’s awesome.

    Here’s Erica’s review of the Stevie Nicks concert in “Jive” dialect
    *************

    LOL… sounds exactly like me

  61. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    GB7

    I thought a veteran catcher for the Yankees for next year. I’m real surprised you didn’t think of it.

    They can get A.J. to catch A. J. :lol:

  62. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    The Sox are currently in the lead…….I am so excited….I am so excited……I am about to lose control and I think I like it…..

  63. Tom in N.J. August 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Oddly enough I found that site while looking for an English to Jive dictionary

  64. CB August 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    SAS-

    Manny’s contract is done at the end of this season. The Dodgers are sick of his act and are just looking to dump the remaining money owed to him.

  65. Zach S August 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    What about Joba the past couple days? He’s been throwing some gas.

  66. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Bronx

    I caught myself doing what you was talking about.

    When the RS went ahead I was disappointed.

    I’m so used to rooting against them.

  67. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    GB7

    I thought a veteran catcher for the Yankees for next year. I’m real surprised you didn’t think of it.

    They can get A.J. to catch A. J.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Watching those two going to Fist City on the mound would be wirth it for entertainment value. Neither one would know who the fans are cheering for.

  68. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    ****worth***

  69. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Pat M

    Will the Angels deal with the RS for Napoli?

  70. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    According to the PitchFX data Nova’s average fastball today was 94 and he maxed out at 97.

  71. Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Manny’s act got real old real quick….Just about when he was popped for peds, the romance was over…….In Hollywood, you’re as good as your last film and it’s all about what have you done lately…….He can still hit though, and he has been banged up…Slot him in theDH role and he’ll come alive again

  72. Nick in SF August 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    This game just isn’t big enough for BGJ.

  73. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    It is amazing how many arms the Yankees now have between AAA and AA.

    There are so many quality guys that promotions could actually get tricky with a full rotation at AAA.

    Who does everyone think Scranton’s starting 5 will be at the start of next season?

  74. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Alex took all the grief for steroids; Manny and Ortiz got a lifetime pass

  75. Tabbert August 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    If we finish the season 15-17.. We will win 95 games. That is pretty damn comforting.

  76. Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    MaineYankee, no way do the Angels move Naps to Boston….He’s far more valuable come this winter than what they’d get from Boston…..Many times clubs do this to test the market when the Hot Stove season starts…..Boston would love to have Naps, move V-Mar to 1st and move Youk back to 3rd…….Could be the ground work for Ellsbury departure from Beantown….Ellsburry, Crawford & Hunter in the Halos outfield looks good

  77. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Alex took all the grief for steroids; Manny and Ortiz got a lifetime pass
    ———————————————————————————-

    That’s a point I tried to make to Pete Abe when he was here but he wouldn’t allow himself to be objective.

    We had several e-mails on this subject but his bias was obvious.

    GB7

    If you want to really get randy riled up tell him he’s biased. I did that and away we went. :lol:

  78. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Maine, talking to Pete about Alex was like trying to convince the sun to revolve around the earth – scientifically impossible.

  79. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Pat M

    Is he good enough catcher for the RS to trade Ellsbury for?

  80. m August 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    I probably could come up with 10 reasons why Alex got grief without even trying:

    1. He’s a Yankee
    2. He’s Alex Rodriguez
    3. He told American sweetheart Katie Couric a year before that he never took steroids.
    4. He falsely accused Selena Roberts of trying to get into his house
    5. He was well on his way to being the Clean Homerun King
    6. He’s the highest paid player in baseball
    7. The writers don’t like him very much
    8. He plays in New York
    9. He’s not Derek Jeter
    10.He’s a Yankee

    Boy, Lackey falling apart here.

  81. Rob B August 29th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    All tied up now. Last night I wanted a 15+ inning game and didn’t get it. Can tonight be the night? Please? I really want these two teams to wear each other out.

  82. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Pat M

    It seems as though the Angels made the right choice on Lackey.

  83. Tar August 29th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    7 games against the Rays, 6 against the Sox (including 6 times in the last 9 days of the season).

    The Rays are without a doubt more of a concern. If the Yankees win a majority of the those 7 games I like their chance for the division.

    But 6 games in the last 9 days is a lot of baseball for the best rivalry in sports.

    Am I worried, of course not. I would just like those last 6 games to be meaningless.

    Whatever combination of whoever wins or losses, that gives the Yankees and Joe the best chance to rest, set up rotations and give certain players a chance to win roster spots is ideal.

    IMO a two team race gives the Yankees the best chance to set up for the post season.

  84. Eroc August 29th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Lackey has to be the ugliest baseball player ever

    C’mon… get it together!

  85. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Napoli isn’t going anywhere. The Sox simply claimed him to block the Yankees and Rays who could use a little power, especially at catcher. The deadline is Monday, and I would be shocked if a deal got done. It’s much more likely that the move was pure strategy.

  86. Rob B August 29th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    “Lackey has to be the ugliest baseball player ever”

    Maybe the ugliest *active* player. I don’t know if anybody beats Yuckylisp.

  87. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Lackey gets the most slack(ey) for a pitcher having a bad year……….

  88. jesusmonterofordh August 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    ahhhhh tb keep running outs. mcdonald has a good arm

  89. SAS August 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    CB,

    Thanks.

  90. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    # Rob B August 29th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    “Lackey has to be the ugliest baseball player ever”

    Maybe the ugliest *active* player. I don’t know if anybody beats Yuckylisp.

    ——————-

    Youkilis becomes infinitely more attractive because he’s, you know, good at his job.

  91. Yank 97 August 29th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Hope what happened to Lackey doesn’t happen with us and Lee next year (though Lee is a much better pitcher than Lackey even at his best)… Hard not to feel a little snake bit after Vazquez and year 2 of Burnett. I guess thats what happens when you hit your mid 30s like all these guys did. Though Lee isin’t reliant on velocity like those guys.

  92. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Yank-

    Lee is in another universe than the guys you’ve listed. I wouldn’t be concerned one bit about signing him.

  93. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    IIOO, yes he is, but Cash has the worst luck with pitchers. Watch – Lee will start his regression the same year or the year after signing with us.

  94. JobaTipsHisCap August 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    7 outs away Sux goes down to the hell

  95. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    http://twitter.com/FrankiePiliere

    Montero talk

  96. JobaTipsHisCap August 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    ok, 6 oouts away

  97. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Betsy-

    To be fair, Burnett hasn’t had any regression, he’s been this pitcher for his career, Cashman’s mistake in that regard was signing him to this deal to begin with. Javy was signed for 1 season, and has been struggling, in large part, due to injury. Of course nothing is a sure thing, but I think you’d be pretty hard pressed to find anyone concerned with a few years of Cliff Lee’s services.

  98. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I’m really trying to get behind this Sox team but it’s difficult.

    They just suck so much….

    But as bad as Lackey’s been this season he’s still been better than AJ.

    AJ’s ERA+ is 77.

  99. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    GB7

    If you want to really get randy riled up tell him he’s biased. I did that and away we went.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You’re terrible, Maine. You just like to stir things up and keep it going. Just like Randy and me. Fun ain’t it.

    It’s only fun because it’s all said in jest. It’s a contest as for who can joke around without the cruelty and crudeness of a couple of others on here. It’s all give and get.

  100. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    just had to be the 100th post

  101. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    IIOO,

    I don’t even know if I think AJ was a bad sign simply because the Yankees needed him. AJ has regresse, I think; he’s always been a good pitcher- not great, and yes, inconsistent, but good. This year? Putrid. As to Javy, there was no way to forsee that he would completely lose his stuff……….bad luck there. Bad luck with Pavano. Pavano is a very good pitcher, but did he do squate while he was here? Nope. I’m not saying it’s realistic that Lee will struggle, and I think we very badly need him, but with Cash’s luck……..he’ll be bad.

  102. Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    YankeeMaine….I think the floks from Old Town are going to run Ells out of Beantown as the media is painting him the bad guy…..Napoli would fit in very well in Fenway and in their lineup…..

  103. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Actually, I don’t think AJ was a bad sign – I sure didn’t want Lowe; this was a risk he took and it looks like we crapped out (in a sense) because AJ is awful in the 2nd year, not the 5th.

  104. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    IIOIIOIIO

    I’m not sure Cashman had much choice about signing A.J.

    They needed pitching and he was limited to what was available.

    He needed a bridge to when some of their own were ready.

  105. JM August 29th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Guess we can’t rely on the Sox to do us any favors.

  106. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Betsy,

    Well there’s no denying he’s having a terrible year, but other then the one season before he signed here, he’s never been all that “good” either. He’s career ERA+ is 107, pretty average all things considered. I think that both the fans and Cashman were mesmerized by his “great stuff” and didn’t pay much attention to the fact that he has always been an average pitcher with above average stuff. Had he learned how to control his pitches, maybe it would be a different story.

  107. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    3. He told American sweetheart Katie Couric a year before that he never took steroids.

    She’s media. She lied enough in her job and went after the sensational gossip stories. She shouldn’t have any complaints. She’s not this American’s Sweetheart.

    4. He falsely accused Selena Roberts of trying to get into his house

    That female is a stalking pig. Is she still alive or just on life support? Did I mention that she’s an unscrupulous pig with the social morals of an alley cat?

  108. JobaTipsHisCap August 29th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Katie Couric is American sweetheart???? LOL LOL

    besides, who’s still watching nightly news anyway?

  109. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    The lady did stalk him. The hell does she need to go to his house for to confirm her story? Who the hell does that?

    Happy her lame book flopped and A-Rod won a title.

  110. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Pat M

    I agree about Ellsbury. It seems as though the damage is beyond repair.

    I’m not convinced he is as good an OF as the RS originally thought.

    If Gardner continues to build on what he’s done this season he’ll be better.

  111. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    I don’t disagree that Burnett might have been the best of what was out there, but, even at the time, many saw the money he received as outrageous. I don’t know if it’s a great idea to fill a need at an inordinate price. He has an average year last year, and this year has imploded. So how exactly did Cashman have no choice? Burnett was obviously a major factor in our playoff run, but all in all, AJ Burnett has done more harm than good, plus we have him for 3 more seasons. Sometimes it’s better to stay pat than overpay for overvalued talent.

    Clearly, this is a standard case of Monday morning quarterbacking, but I was wary of the length and cost of the deal when it was signed. Did I ever imagine he would be this bad, of course not. Like I’ve said before, other than A-Rod’s contract, AJ’s is the one I would most like to be rid off.

  112. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWWz5VesyM

    David Ortiz lying about roids.

  113. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    CC Sabathia has been a bad signing hasn’t he?

    How about guys like Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon? Those signings helped the Yankees greatly for that season.

    How can anyone predict Cliff Lee would be a bad signing? That’s not even logical.

    Signing pitching is always risky.

    Every GM has hits and misses when it comes to signing pitchers.

    Cashman is no different in that regard.

  114. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    Manny lying about roids.

  115. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    How can anyone predict Cliff Lee would be a bad signing?
    ==========================
    I know someone who would :)

  116. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    IIOO, I’m not sure I agree. AJ’s been a good pitcher – just not an ace. Cash took a chance because he thought the guy was going to be a new and improved pitcher -a late developer as it were. As it turns out, he’s not, but last year he was fine (though aggravatingly bad for two months) and won the biggest game of the year. I don’t think he lacks guts or heart and lord knows he cares. In any case, I thought it was a good signing for the risk, but if he’s the same pitcher next year that he is this (I don’t mean that he doesn’t have a change, just that he’s awful), then the rotation has got a dead weight in it.

  117. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    SJ, I love Cash – love him, so I am not criticizing his GM ability; I dont know where you got that from. I’m just saying he’s been the victim of bad luck with some of his signings. Come on – obviously CC has been great. I’m NOT predicting that Lee will be bad – I never said that.

  118. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    What if Burnett bounces back next year?

    He played a big role in helping the Yankees win last year.

    No AJ, no WS last year.

    He’s had a terrible year this year.

    It doesn’t mean he’s doomed to have a worst year next year.

    Believe it or not, players can bounce back and have better years after having a bad year.

    It happens quite a bit.

  119. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Betsy-

    Again, my problem is not so much with the signing, but the length and the cost of it. I don’t mind taking a chance on an arm like Burnett’s after he’s had a career year, I just don’t think you want to bet the farm on it. Pitching is undoubtedly hit and miss, so putting such a large investment in someone who is not Sabathia or Lee or Halladay is always a risky prospect IMO.

  120. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    You guys are missing the point. It’s not that she’s not America’s sweetheart. It’s that he lied.

    Believe what you want, but part of the reason he got roasted was because he lied to one of their own.

    As for Selena? If Alex didn’t do anything wrong, then he shouldn’t have apologized for getting the facts about the incident at his house wrong.

    Alex did steroids and he lied. That’s why he got roasted.

    I hope Ortiz is outed one day. Then he and his Weiner lawyer rep can get roasted, too.

  121. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    the rotation has dead weight it in right now !

  122. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Lee will start his regression the same year or the year after signing with us.

  123. EA August 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    People said Burnett would be in a lot of trouble once his velocity started to go… and guess what? His velocity has declined each of the last 2 years. He is 33… right about the age velocity goes. Considering he is a 2 pitch pitcher to begin with, with shaky control and even shakier mechanics… he is only going to get worse as he loses more velocity. Where does he go from here? He isin’t going to suddenly become Mussina and start throwing 5 pitches.

    Lee is a magician when it comes to spotting his pitches and mixing them in. He can afford to lose something off his FB and still survive. Burnett can’t.

    I didn’t think Cash thought he would lose 1 MPH each of the 1st 2 years of the deal. But Lee is a completely different (and far superior) pitcher than Burnett and doesn’t have near the same amount of risk associated to him.

  124. BumKnee August 29th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Green Beret–you don’t know her. What she reported was truthful and that’s plenty more than you can say about a lot of reporters. Arod was living a lie, and if you listen closely to what he says now, he’s happy to have this burden lifted.

  125. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Ty Cobb was a bad ass. Did you know he once hit 3 home runs in one game to prove how easy it was to hit them?

    He hit 2 again the next day.

    Beast.

  126. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    NYYs most likely don’t win the 2009 WS and possibly don’t make the post season if you substitute the only other starter on the FA last year, and the being Derek Lowe. He barely survived the NL.

  127. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Imagine if he hadn’t lied to Couric. We could’ve won it that year, too.

    I kid, I kid. :)

  128. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    SJ44-

    Whether or not Burnett has a bounce back year and returns to his career averages, he is nonetheless overpaid. That’s my only point. And if he continues this shocking inconsistency we are left with no choice but to eat the last 3 years of a massive contract. The guy will be 34 by the time next season begins, unless he’s a REALLY late bloomer, I’d be surprised at any great improvement.

  129. Tar August 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    AJ is 22-21 as a Yankee. The jury is still out on how good or bad a signing he was.

    Up to this point, I think he is pitching to his career numbers. A .500 pitcher with great stuff. Very frustrating, but it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

  130. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    # mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Lee will start his regression the same year or the year after signing with us.
    ==================================================
    BTW these were not my words…

  131. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    You just said in a post, “with Cash’s luck, he’ll (Lee) be bad”.

    That’s predicting Lee will be bad or am I missing something?

  132. Melk Man August 29th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    “Believe it or not, players can bounce back and have better years after having a bad year. ”

    Unless he changes how he pitches, it’s unlikely. He is a two-pitch pitcher with declining velocity.

    Not smart to count on him as anything more than a #5 next year.

  133. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    No, she didn’t say that, SJ. haha.

    Anyway, Cash is part of the Irish Baseball HOF. His luck will turn. ;)

  134. Rob B August 29th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    I think it’s funny that the S*x keep walking Peña. I know he’s got power, but he’s hitting .213 for the season. And it’s not like he’s all that hot right now. Hitting .220 for the month of August.

  135. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Are we forgetting that Burnett followed each of his solid starts in both the ALCS and WS with atrocious starts? Even then, he was inconsistent.

  136. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Never did understand Roberts target audience for that book.

    If you were an Arod fan you were obviously not going to buy it.

    If you were an Arod hater would you really drop 25 bucks on a book about him?

    I know Harper Collins printed 150,000 copies. I doubt it sold 25,000.

  137. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    m

    Arod wasn’t the only one that lied but is taking the abuse for all the ones the ones that did.

    I’m not defending Arod but think he shouldn’t be taking all the abuse for the rest.

    I have no respect for the ones that have stood back and let him be the one taking all the crap about this.

  138. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Mel, that pig told have truths and innuendo ….about Rodriguez telling opposing hitters what pitches were coming. She has yet to tell the truth about anything…Rodriguez’ rental properties, Duke Lacrosse. She’s a newsprint zero anymore.

  139. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    # SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    You just said in a post, “with Cash’s luck, he’ll (Lee) be bad”.

    That’s predicting Lee will be bad or am I missing something?
    ======================================# Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
    Watch – Lee will start his regression the same year or the year after signing with us.

  140. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    He was overpaid because the Yankees needed him and none of their young pitchers were at the point in their development to take that slot in the rotation.

    That’s the cost of doing business.

    Bottom line, he helped them win a ring so, last years salary was well earned.

    This year? Not so much to date.

    The next 3 years? TBA.

  141. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Mel, that pig has ***only told half truths*** and innuendo

  142. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    SJ, come on – you really think that’s a prediction? That’s a facetious comment and you know it….

  143. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    my,

    No, my secondary point, is it’s not Couric and Roberts’ fault that Alex gets grief.

    Others should get more grief, but the others are cuddly (shudder) and likeable and other crap like that.

    Alex got a raw deal from being outed. But it’s his fault he was on the list. I hope people don’t lose sight of that.

  144. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    # GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Mel, that pig told have truths and innuendo ….about Rodriguez telling opposing hitters what pitches were coming. She has yet to tell the truth about anything…Rodriguez’ rental properties, Duke Lacrosse. She’s a newsprint zero anymore.

    Yep. Then NY-times proved it wrong.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05.....score.html

  145. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

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  146. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    M, no I didn’t and if he doesn’t know that, then he’s just trying to pick a fight

  147. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    m

    I guess Manny isn’t as bad even though he failed a test because he didn’t lie to Katie.

  148. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    so we shouldn’t take you seriously?

  149. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    This is going to be an interesting off-season for AJ.

    He is in the tail end of the worst season of his career.

    He can throw a two seamer and changeup.

    Will he use this off-season to incorporate them into his arsenal?

    If he does, he has more weapons and could bounceback and have a better year next year.

    If he’s smart, he will do just that. It will make him a better pitcher in the long run.

  150. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    # m August 29th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    my,

    No, my secondary point, is it’s not Couric and Roberts’ fault that Alex gets grief.

    Others should get more grief, but the others are cuddly (shudder) and likeable and other crap like that.

    Alex got a raw deal from being outed. But it’s his fault he was on the list. I hope people don’t lose sight of that.

    Forgive me but I look at almost all athletes the same. I don’t look at anyone as cuddly. Except big CC!

  151. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    I think the thing with manny & ortiz is that no one was really surprised.

    I was shocked, SHOCKED, that Alex wasn’t clean. I think a lot of people were simply disappointed because they truly believed he was clean.

    I wonder if the media heard or knew anything. They treated Alex almost the way they treated Bonds.

  152. Chambliss August 29th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    While Tampa is the more immediate threat, getting the sox out of contention makes the path to #28 easier for the Yankees because it will take a lot of pressure off the Yankees. A three team race would mean every game down the stretch is important. This would potentially burn out the team and the pen. While home field is important, making it a two team race means the yankees are in the post season and they can play out the string accordingly. Guys like Jeter who need time off can take it, the rotation can get lined up, etc. this does not mean that they won’t try to win the division, but it means they won’t pull out all the stops to do so.

  153. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    m August 29th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
    my,

    No, my secondary point, is it’s not Couric and Roberts’ fault that Alex gets grief.

    Others should get more grief, but the others are cuddly (shudder) and likeable and other crap like that.

    Alex got a raw deal from being outed. But it’s his fault he was on the list. I hope people don’t lose sight of that.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t lose sight of that. He was totally wrong for doing it. But he was not alone using PED’s but is standing alone now.

    The real failure is with the union and MLB for reaping profits during that time and then throwing them to the wolves when it started coming out.

  154. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    m August 29th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
    my,

    No, my secondary point, is it’s not Couric and Roberts’ fault that Alex gets grief.

    Others should get more grief, but the others are cuddly (shudder) and likeable and other crap like that.

    Alex got a raw deal from being outed. But it’s his fault he was on the list. I hope people don’t lose sight of that.

    Now, I’m done with this conversation.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Nobody on that list has told the truth. say what you will about Rodriguez, but, he’s the only one to cop to more years than they had him for. Everyone else that’s been outed has lied about it.

    I seriously doubt that anybody is losing sight of anything. If two pigs ever deserved to wallow in the same sty, it’s PA and Roberts.

  155. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Loving this Red Stripe commercial.

  156. KPB August 29th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Mel, that pig told have truths and innuendo ….about Rodriguez telling opposing hitters what pitches were coming. She has yet to tell the truth about anything…Rodriguez’ rental properties, Duke Lacrosse. She’s a newsprint zero anymore.
    ————————–
    GB7

    I really think you shouldn’t keep your feelings bottled up, it’s not healthy. So, please tell how you really feel so your “nurse” doesn’t have to make a house call. :smile:

  157. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Who cares that he lied????????????

    David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez lied.

    Bill Belichick lied and continues to lie , and shows up whomever he feels like, and is praised and glorified in the media.

    Im proud of Alex for lying, and Im proud of Alex for coming clean.

    Alex was always hated for being the highest paid player in MLB, but the hate reached all-time heights when he suited up for the Yankees. You better believe if that deal had gone through for him to become a Red Sox, Selena Roberts never would have gone after him and he never would have been outed as a user – and if for some reason he was outed, he never would have admitted it.

    That’s what the presence of leadership such as Jeter and Pettiitte provided to Alex. The leadership of Theo and Lucchino would have urged Alex to lie because none of the Boston media would ever have cared.

    P.S. Selena Roberts is a bigger criminal than ANY Red Sox player – and that’s hard to believe.

  158. G. Love August 29th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I refuse to write the rest of AJ Burnett’s season off this year. He’s been horrible, but that can change. Granderson turned it around with a little adjustment. AJ can do the same if they figure out how to fix what’s not working.

    I said it the other day and I meant it; It’s the players you think won’t do a darn thing in the post season who end up coming through for you somehow.

    The game is funny that way.

  159. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Of course the media knew what was going on – in the 1990s they knew what was going on.

    The media chose to ignore it because the HRs and the popularity of baseball helped better their careers.

    Now, the media thinks it’s incumbent upon them to find answers – except in the case of Manny and Ortiz.

    The only answer the media deserves is that they played a large role in the rampant use of steroids.

  160. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Carl,

    I’m not calling you naive, but…. ;)

    Actually, public perception of a lot of athletes is molded by the media & the writers. Ortiz & manny were these jovial good-guys. Alex was painted as almost the opposite. I’m convinced that’s why they got passes.

    Now the question is, is the sensationalism over now? Was Alex the big one? I think the only other player that will move the needle if he’s exposed is Pujols. And he should fry, too. more so because he’s condemned players who have been outed.

  161. SAS August 29th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Does anyone think the Yankees might go after Soriano???

  162. Tar August 29th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    “I said it the other day and I meant it; It’s the players you think won’t do a darn thing in the post season who end up coming through for you somehow.
    The game is funny that way.”

    Yeah I believe that too.

    I know it’s not that easy, but I sometimes wish AJ would talk to Jeter and Alex.

    Ask them what made his stuff so nasty against the Yankees.

    Whats different now?

  163. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Someone or something has to light a fire under AJ.
    Sounds funny, this late in his career.
    Funny how he had his best year in a contract year. That was the something.
    Maybe the something this year will be a someone.
    A someone named Ivan Nova.

  164. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    How naive do you have to be to not know that Manny and Ortiz received passes because of the uniform they wore??

  165. murphydog August 29th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    The amount of manufactured rage at A-Rod for “lying” is just too much. Why won’t somebody go lynch Selig for willful blindness while the turnstiles sang; or to put it another way, for fiddling while baseball burned. For my money, there’s too much hypocrisy in the steroids controversy to find moral outrage for “lying A-Rod.”

    And don’t get me started on the fake Clemens-rage. I’m getting sleepy and I need my warm milk before I go to bed ;)

  166. murphydog August 29th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    mick:

    “Someone or something has to light a fire under AJ.”

    Let’s try burning some of that money he’s trying to “Pavano” the Yankees out of.

  167. ZMAN August 29th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    I’ll be happy if AJ reverts back to his “inconsistent” self next year with a 4 ERA.

    As CB pointed out yesterday… he has actually pitched WORSE than his numbers indicate. In his last 20 starts, he has a 6.34 ERA and has given up 6+ runs in half of those starts. He hasn’t just been bad, he hasn’t even given us a chance in half of his past 20 starts.

    All up to AJ… if he continues to try and be a two-pitch pitcher with diminishing velocity, he’s probably going to be the same if not worse. If he starts to incorporate his other pitches in and learns how to “pitch”, he could come back strong next year. He’s hit rock bottom this year. Up to him to see how he is going to respond this winter.

  168. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Let’s try burning some of that money he’s trying to “Pavano” the Yankees out of.
    =====================================================
    Murph, that would work but is it legal?

  169. Yogi Mantle August 29th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    more so because he’s condemned players who have been outed.

    ______________

    Ortiz did that as well, and we are still waiting for him to “get back to us” about his test results.

  170. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Even if AJ turns it around, he’s not someone you can have a lot of faith in. Let’s say he rolls off a few good games………..he could be cruising in the next, and then all of a sudden, Kaboom.

  171. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    SAS, I can’t imagine Soriano signing anywhere that he can’t close, unless possibly if Rivera stayes that next year is his last. One that I wouldn’t mind seeing the Yanks go after is Benoit.

  172. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....expos.html

    Read this post about A-Rod from Mark Feinsand. It’s from the night he hit 3 home runs. Pete use to make articles like this all the time.

  173. blake August 29th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    It is too early to give up on AJ both for this season and beyond but I do think that if he’s going to be successful for the life of his contract then he is going to have to evolve somewhat at some point.

    He’s probably going to have to modify his delivery so that he can be more consistent and better with his location and he’s going to have to rely more on secondary pitches to get hitters off his fastball. He still has good stuff but the fastball doesn’t appear to be good enough to dominate on its own anymore. (at least it hasn’t been this season)..especially since he has never had plus command with it .

    He can do it, he’s just going to have to choose to do it.

  174. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Haha, I don’t need test results. Fat-tease as much as admitted it when he gave the bogus Dominican milk shake story years ago.

  175. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    If Burnett “turns it around”, why wouldn’t you have faith in him?

  176. Chambliss August 29th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Arod is a once in a lifetime talent, but he came across as packaged and insincere long before the ped revelations came out.

  177. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    murphydog

    Don’t give the union a pass in this. They also played a big role.

  178. mick August 29th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Is it so far fetched to say they all used?
    Then aren’t they all liars?
    Clemens is lying about his lying.
    That makes him a double liar, the worst of all liars.

  179. m August 29th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I didn’t read anything like that from Alex’s comments. Feinsand definitely ripping off his old BFF’s style there.

  180. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    GB, because turning it around for AJ is always going to be on a game by game basis………….he could have 5 or 6 good starts in a row, then boome – in the middle of a good one he’ll explode and that will be that. With most pitchers, if they are pitching well, you can assume (until they prove otherwise) that their next start will be good. With AJ, even when he’s pitching well, you don’t know what you’re going to get from him.

    I think he has to start a post-season game, so although I probably would have skipped him a turn, at this point we need him, so I can see why Joe didn’t.

  181. ET August 29th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    “I refuse to write the rest of AJ Burnett’s season off this year. He’s been horrible, but that can change. Granderson turned it around with a little adjustment. AJ can do the same if they figure out how to fix what’s not working. ”

    Granderson wants to learn and actually implements his advice. Long tells him to shorten his swing, he did it.

    Burnett is stubborn, Eliand said as much, and he wants to be a 2-pitch pitcher. Pitching coaches have tried for YEARS to get him to throw his change-up and he never has. It’s all in his head. He thinks he can be a 2-pitch pitcher. He gives the same postgame cliches every time about how he has to get better, yet every start is more of the same.

    It is up to him now to realize it’s not working. He cannot be so helpless when he doesn’t have his curve or good FB. He has to get over his stubbornness.

  182. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    m

    You’re doing the same thing Pete did. You show dislike for Arod for lying and then excuse the others. I wouldn’t like a jury like that.

  183. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Why do we need AJ in the playoffs?
    If Nova and Moseley continue to pitch well, don’t they rate above him?
    If Andy is fine with Hughes and CC, AJ is NOT needed.

  184. Carl August 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Soriano makes me sick bowing like that.

  185. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    What a good job the Rays finally did in getting a solid bullpen. And I love to finally hear crowd noise in the Trop going for the Rays!

    I know I’ve said it before but one of their best signings ever has been Rafael Soriano.

  186. murphydog August 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    “Murph, that would work but is it legal?”

    Hey, mick. When did you get queasy about what’s legal?

    MaineYankee:

    Oh, they’re not getting a pass. I’m just getting tired and forgetful.

  187. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    AJ worked on his change all off-season and during ST (this is why I think his curve never has worked for him this season or, at least, is part of the reason). Then………he didn’t bother using it at all during the regular season, not really. I thought he was using the 2-seamer more during his hot streak at the beginning……………

  188. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Bernard Pollard :)

    Take that, Red Sox! Go home tonight, pop Fever Pitch in the BD player, eat your New England Clam Chowder, listen to your Neil Diamond, enjoy some of your non comedy Dane Cook, and read some of your Peter Gammons.

    7 Games !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Smooooooch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  189. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    AJ will only get one start anyway, if at all. One or two more bad starts and he is done.
    I trust Moseley more than him and what do you think Nova is trying out for?

  190. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    The problem with Burnett is that there is nothing in his pure performance this year that suggests he will turn it around. If anything it could actually suggest that he will continue to decline along with his velocity.

    So banking on AJ rebounding is essentially banking on him seeing this season as a wake up call and really making some serious changes.

    Or I guess another scenario is that for some reason he is going to have better command next year on a regular basis and he has just been really screwed up mechanically this season.

    Both possible but I am not really sure how likely. Then the next problem is that even if AJ makes some changes, how long will it take for him to revert back to old habits? That revelation AJ had watching Felix throw his changeup was certainly short lived.

    The article on rlyb CB linked the other day really was eye opening. This quote was interesting:

    “Alot of analysts thought the Burnett signing was a mistake, and I was not one of them. The general consensus was that Burnett would pitch pretty well most of the time but would continue to have problems staying healthy which would cut into his value.

    However, what’s happening now is actually a far worse scenario. For all the crap Carl Pavano got for his seeming inability to stay healthy as a Yankee, as long as he was not pitching, he was only costing the Yankees money. What Burnett’s doing now is costing them both money AND wins.”

  191. SAS August 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Rays win 5-3

  192. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    :)

    That’s the way, uh huh, uh huh
    I like it, uh huh, uh huh.

  193. murphydog August 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    “That makes him a double liar, the worst of all liars.”

    That makes him a “lying liar.” See: Al Franken.

  194. blake August 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    I think I hear something coming from Boston….Sounds like a Fat Lady starting to tune up her voice…not singing just yet, but could be pretty soon.

    32 games left. If the Yanks played .500 ball and went 16-16 the rest of the way then Boston would need to go roughly 23-9. If the Yanks played at the pace they have all year and went 20-12 the rest of the way then the Sox would need to go around 27-5 to catch them.

    Not likely.

  195. Eroc August 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    How can you ever trust Burnett?

    Even if he rattles off a few good games in a row, what has he done in his career to indicate he is trustworthy? Even last year in the postseason, he had 3 good starts, 2 bad ones. You just never know which one you are going to get.

    He is certainly capable of tossing a gem, but no one can ever go into a game confidently thinking that he will. Until he puts together a season of consistency or does something mid-season to change (a la changes his mechanics or something where there is tangible evidence that he has changed), he’s rightfully never going to be trusted.

    He’ll have his shot next month though… a good postseason will go a long way towards erasing what happened this year.

  196. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Hopefully this will shut up EEI and the rest of RSN.

  197. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    murph you are right my friend , go burn that money, I approve this message.

  198. pat August 29th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    “Now the question is, is the sensationalism over now?”

    Too much money and notoriety to be had for that ever to be the case.

  199. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Betsy, if it’s game to game, then he hasn’t turned it around. If he’s turned it around, then, it can’t be game to game now.

  200. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    He’ll have his shot next month though… a good postseason will go a long way towards erasing what happened this year.
    ==================
    Don’t be so sure of that.

  201. raymagnetic August 29th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    A true Yankee fan happy that the Rays finally have a good bullpen :???: wtf :???:

  202. m August 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    my,

    Like I said, I was shocked. I totally bought into the whole he could be the best player in baseball history.

    I personally don’t excuse the others, I don’t root for them or give them a pass. I was giving reasons why other players get a pass, when Alex didn’t.

    But if you really want to pin me to the wall about it, I’m not too happy that Alex negotiated his second contract with the Yankees in bad faith. In fact, he should’ve given us a discount knowing he was on the list. J/K :P

  203. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    All those afraid of the RS can now sleep peacefully.

  204. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    The chances Ivan Nova or Dustin Moseley start a playoff game over a healthy AJ Burnett is nil.

    Inconsistent or not, AJ Burnett has pitched big games in October. Nova and Moseley have not.

    It does make a difference.

    Even if he is a Game 4 starter, he won’t be passed over by Moseley or Nova.

  205. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    This season aint over yet SJ.

  206. Yank 97 August 29th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    LGY -

    Excellent post, as usual.

    There is nothing to suggest that he will turn it around this year, or next year, other than wishful thinking. If he hasn’t his pitching style by now, why would he? He said he spent all winter working on his change-up…. and has yet to do anything with it this year, even though it would help him tremendously.

    Can’t take anything he says seriously. We can hope he will come back strong next year, but there is nothing to suggest that he will and it would be a mistake for the Yankees to assume that either.

  207. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    GB, then I guess I would go with AJ not ever really being able to turn it around. The best we can hope for, for this year anyway, is that he at least puts up competitive performances.

    LGY, I don’t agree with that comment from that blog CB quoted from because we had to replace Pavano with a cast of characters that ended up costing us wins anyway.

  208. murphydog August 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    AJ is the baseball equivalent of the girl with a curl:

    There was a little girl who had a little curl
    Right in the middle of her forehead;
    When she was good, she was very, very good,
    And when she was bad she was horrid.

    Or he’s the equivalent of that bi-polar cheerleader I used to date in high school. Frustrating to say the least: I never knew what I was going to get out of her ;)

  209. Rob B August 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    “Take that, Red Sox! Go home tonight, pop Fever Pitch in the BD player…”

    I thought “Fever Pitch” was a movie about Soccer? ;)

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119114/

  210. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    SJ
    We might have 2 or 3 big games in October before the playoffs.
    Moseley or Nova could be involved.
    They are Oct 1-3 in Boston.

  211. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    “All those afraid of the RS can now sleep peacefully.”

    :lol:

  212. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    LGY,that said I agree with your post. That’s why if Andy retires, it’s hard to put a rookie in the rotation (even with Lee) because until AJ proves otherwise, he’d also be a #5.

  213. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Mick,

    Not gonna happen.

    If it’s not AJ, it will be Vazquez.

    More than likely, it will be AJ.

  214. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    You know, maybe we can take the ALDS in 3 games.
    Problem over.

  215. Eroc August 29th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    mick

    Hey, I hope I’m wrong. I would much rather have Nova, off 2 starts, in the playoffs over Burnett. I just don’t think Girardi/Cash have the stomach to remove Vazquez AND Burnett from their playoff rotation, in favor of a kid. Burnett would have to suck really bad for it to happen.

  216. MaineYankee August 29th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    m

    I hear ya.

    I just don’t like the double standard that has been used here and I get a bit stirred up on the subject at times. Not at you but in general.

  217. blake August 29th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Yanks schedule is very favorable over the next week and a half or so. Need to take advantage and win as many on this home stand as possible because the last 3 weeks are rough schedule wise.

  218. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Not if Javy doesn’t pitch in September SJ.

  219. KPB August 29th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    m

    I’m with you on being shocked at learning he used. I grew up in Texas and followed everything he did on the field and was in awe of his abilities. When I found out it felt like someone kicked me in the gut. He’s still one of my favorites, but the amazement has worn off a little.

  220. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I have a feeling those 10/1-10/3 games in Boston will be meaningless.

    Except of course to see Andrew Brackman or Hector Noesi’s first ML start. lol

  221. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Girardi/Cash have the stomach to remove Vazquez AND Burnett from their playoff rotation, in favor of a kid. Burnett would have to suck really bad for it to happen.
    ==================
    eroc
    we can only hope and pray. we still have the month of Sept. ahead of us. Strange things can happen.

  222. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    I have a feeling those 10/1-10/3 games in Boston will be meaningless.
    ==============================================
    So TB will be the WC by then?

  223. Jerkface August 29th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Except of course to see Andrew Brackman or Hector Noesi’s first ML start. lol

    Do you really think the yankees, if they had everything locked up, would start Noesi or Brackman? That would be sick.

  224. UnKnown August 29th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    I know CR9 catches some grief from time to time, but that last post has me ROFLMAO.

  225. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    “A true Yankee fan happy that the Rays finally have a good bullpen wtf ”

    :)

    I never mind a fair fight. And as the official adopter of any underdog team, I was long the foster mother of the Rays. I cannot help remembering the pain of watching good SP and a good offense be blown apart by a shaky bullpen year after year. In fact I remember one season the Rays leading the league in blown saves after leading in the 8th inning.

  226. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    This start on Wed. is a make or break start for AJ.
    Believe it or not, I think he will step up.

  227. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Mother T-reesha.

  228. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Both are on the 40 man roster.

    If the games are meaningless, and they aren’t up against their innings limits, why not?

    Can’t hurt them.

  229. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Or is that Mother T-risha.

  230. Melk Man August 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    If you are going to start Burnett in a game 4, he HAS to be on a very short leash. He gives up a couple of runs in the 1st, get him out of there. Have Vazquez and Gaudin/Mitre/Mosely stretched out prior to the game, and ready to throw 75 pitches or so.

    Do not give him any opportunity to settle down. First sign of trouble… pull him. In the ALDS, we have an off-day the next day. ALCS/WS, we’ll have Sabathia going in game 5 followed by an off-day. So we can burn the pen. Do not keep him in there to settle down.

  231. KPB August 29th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    SJ44

    I don’t follow the minors except what is posted here. In comparison with Nova, how do Brackman and Noesi stack up?

  232. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    There are more than a few good and great pitchers that took years to finally put things together. Randy Johnson was 31 when he finally won his 100th game. Burnett was 32. Their problem was wildness and inconsistency. Those two have a lot in common.

  233. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    No, it’s Mother T-Rays-sha

  234. mick August 29th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    I’m out.
    Sj ,Can I leave you alone with Betsy?

  235. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Noesi is similar to Nova.

    Brackman’s ceiling is as a front of the rotation starter.

    95-96 MPH fastball, a big hammer CB, andvan emerging changeup.

    He’s also 6-10, 250.

    When he throws a pitch, it’s as if he’s right on top of the hitter. Making AB’s against him very uncomfortable.

    It would be cool if they gave him a start at the end of the year if the games are meaningless.

  236. KPB August 29th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    GB7

    Having said that, do you think AJ will have a comparable career as Randy? Or do you think his mechanics are to off to be close?

  237. KPB August 29th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    SJ44

    Thanks. Sounds like Brackman is the one to really keep an eye on. With Noesi being like Nova and Brackman seeming to be a beast, I too hope they both come up so I can see them.

  238. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Randy johnson didn’t have the smoothest mechanics in the world until he spent a few days with Nolan Ryan, who also was in his early to mid 30s before getting it all together. Do I think that Burnett can have a Randy Johnson career? No? Johnson maintained that upper 90s fastball for a long time, much like Ryan.

    I think that Burnett can be an annual 16-18 win pitcher with a mid to upper 3 ERA, though over the next 4-5 years. He just needs to get smarter about how he pitches. May a winter session with Ryan would benefit him. Ryan is like rivera. He loves to talk and teach pitching and it doesn’t matter what team they are on.

  239. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    “Mother T-reesha.”

    :lol:

  240. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    In the end, I think that Noesi will be a better pitcher than Nova.

  241. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    What is Noesi’s fastball clocked at?

  242. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    “No, it’s Mother T-Rays-sha”

    Hysterical!

    :lol:

  243. KPB August 29th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    GB7

    Thanks for the response. By the way how you feeling, still progressing? Even though I enjoy your posts and insight, I’m not above sending in the nurse for a house call if your not.

  244. stuckey99 August 29th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    I think the AJ bounce back theory goes something like this.

    In the past, when his curve was on and he had decent command that night, Burnett could dominate a line-up. On any given night he has no-hit stuff. So Burnett’s mindset has always just been to stubbornly be satisfied rolling the dice each start knowing it was 50/50 or so the stuff would be there.

    The last few months should (one would hope) teach him he just can’t go out there and hope it’s there and be satisfied at the end of the year it would have been there more than it wasn’t.

    Now, finally, he’ll really be forced to expand the arsenal and put more emphasis on approach and command.

    Let’s be clear. He still has ENOUGH stuff to be a VERY good pitcher. He just doesn’t have enough to be the same pitcher he’s been.

  245. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Whoa, did someone just compare AJ Burnett to a HOFer? No offense, GB, but that’s pretty insane. Burnett has one 18 games ONCE, his previous high was 13. Randy Johnson’s career ERA + is 136 (!!) and Burnett’s is 107. Your argument about the relationship between the two demonstrates nothing else other than wins are a relatively meaningless stat for pitchers. I generally respect your comments and find you quite entertaining, but I am seriously floored by this.

  246. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    and my misuse of then/than is quite unfortunate.

  247. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    # LGY August 29th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    What is Noesi’s fastball clocked at?

    —————

    About 92-94

  248. KPB August 29th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Whoa, did someone just compare AJ Burnett to a HOFer? No offense, GB, but that’s pretty insane. Burnett has one 18 games ONCE, his previous high was 13. Randy Johnson’s career ERA + is 136 (!!) and Burnett’s is 107. Your argument about the relationship between the two demonstrates nothing else other than wins are a relatively meaningless stat for pitchers. I generally respect your comments and find you quite entertaining, but I am seriously floored by this.
    ———————————————————
    I can’t speak for GB, but I think he was referring to how wild they were at a certain age. I came out and asked him if he thought AJ would have a similar career and GB said no.

  249. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    KPB August 29th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
    GB7

    Thanks for the response. By the way how you feeling, still progressing? Even though I enjoy your posts and insight, I’m not above sending in the nurse for a house call if your not.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Not a problem, Bud. Keep in mind that’s only my opinion and my observations. As you can see on here, very few believe that burnett will be better.

    I’m doing great, KPB. Thanks for asking. all med reports are clean so far. hope all is well with you.

  250. IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    KPB-

    If that’s the case, I apologize to GB. I didn’t read all the way back in comments, I was just taken aback by the comparison from someone I believe to be pretty reasonable and rational. I still think that his claim that Burnett will be a 16-18 win pitcher for the next 4 or so years is off base, however.

  251. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    IIOIIOIIO August 29th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
    Whoa, did someone just compare AJ Burnett to a HOFer? No offense, GB, but that’s pretty insane. Burnett has one 18 games ONCE, his previous high was 13. Randy Johnson’s career ERA + is 136 (!!) and Burnett’s is 107. Your argument about the relationship between the two demonstrates nothing else other than wins are a relatively meaningless stat for pitchers. I generally respect your comments and find you quite entertaining, but I am seriously floored by this.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You’d best go back and read what i said and the ages that I used before declaring me insane.

  252. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    GB-

    I already apologized if I had taken what you said out of context, and I think there is a distinct difference between calling a person and a particular comparison insane. My point is that it’s quite optimistic to declare that Burnett can win 16-18 games a year with an ERA in the upper 3′s based on a comparison to two hall of fame pitchers. Johnson began his reign of dominance at age 30, AJ is nearly 4 years beyond that point. I guess I am just confused by your optimism.

  253. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    when fireballers like Johnson and Ryan feel that they lost some of their smoke, they have a survival instinct that kicks in and turns thenm into pitchers instead of throwers. Bob Feller learned that after losing his fastball in the late 40s when he tore back muscles and never regained the strength. The strikeouts decreased, but his effectiveness didn’t. It’s up to Burnett to find that survival instinct. He’s lost a mile or two in last two years, and that could make all of the difference in the results. Now, he has to reinvent himself or drown.

  254. ChokeXOnXFailure August 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I have a feeling those 10/1-10/3 games in Boston will be meaningless.
    —————————————–

    Pretty much spot on. I’d even go so far as to say they pretty much already are.

    There’s 30 games left for the Yankees and Tampa Bay, 29 left for Boston. Boston is 7 out on the loss side.

    For if either/both of the Yankees and Tampa went as little as 15-15 for those 30 games, Boston would have to go 22-7 to make the playoffs. That’s simply not going to happen.

  255. KPB August 30th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    ll0ll0ll0

    I was to that’s why I asked. Agreed on him be reasoning and rational.

    GB7

    Glad to hear it and hope you continue to get better. I’m doing fine, thanks.

    Got to go. True Blood is on then going to bed. Have a goodnight everybody.

  256. ET August 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    “Let’s be clear. He still has ENOUGH stuff to be a VERY good pitcher. He just doesn’t have enough to be the same pitcher he’s been.”

    But how did you come to this conclusion? He is a career 107+ ERA pitcher, just a tick above league average. If he doesn’t have the stuff to be that guy (who is slightly above average), how does he have enough stuff to be a “very good” pitcher? Are you implying that a 107+ ERA is “very good”? If so, you are saying he doesn’t have enough to even be that guy anymore.

  257. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    I’ll be at the 10/3 game in Boston, my best case scenario is that we have the division locked up and somehow the Sox are still playing for the wild card. Nothing would be more satisfying than watching a Yankee team with nothing to play for eliminating the Sox.

  258. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    # ET August 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    “Let’s be clear. He still has ENOUGH stuff to be a VERY good pitcher. He just doesn’t have enough to be the same pitcher he’s been.”

    But how did you come to this conclusion? He is a career 107+ ERA pitcher, just a tick above league average. If he doesn’t have the stuff to be that guy (who is slightly above average), how does he have enough stuff to be a “very good” pitcher? Are you implying that a 107+ ERA is “very good”? If so, you are saying he doesn’t have enough to even be that guy anymore.

    ——————-

    I’ve been making the argument all night long.

  259. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    “But how did you come to this conclusion? He is a career 107+ ERA pitcher, just a tick above league average. If he doesn’t have the stuff to be that guy (who is slightly above average), how does he have enough stuff to be a “very good” pitcher? Are you implying that a 107+ ERA is “very good”? If so, you are saying he doesn’t have enough to even be that guy anymore.”

    I’m saying ERA+ is a measurement of results, not stuff.

    Burnett has ALWAYS been a guy whose pitching acumen betrayed his raw ability. There are VERY good pitchers in MLB who would kill to have Burnett’s stuff.

    His fastball, while down a couple ticks this year, is still above average. Pettitte has been making due with less for years now. Hughes doesn’t have his fastball.

    If Burnett had the motivation and ability to truly become a pitcher, he could make due with what he currently has quite nicely.

    Will he ever transform himself into a “VERY” good pitcher? Highly unlikely.

    Can he still be a 4-ish ERA, inning-eating back-half guy who can throw up a dominant start every now and again? I believe so. That’s the bounce-back you hope for. He just needs to have truly hit rock bottom and genuinely commit to change.

  260. CB August 30th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    In certain ways AJ Burnett’s mean statistical performance is misleading because he’s a pitcher with bi-modal distributions of performance. Statistical descriptions of his skill set and performance really require estimates of variance to make sense of.

    There’s always the hope with AJ that he’d eventually eliminate that bi-modal performance and become a true front line guy.

    But consistency and the ability to repeat mechanics are skills which he does’t have an abundance of so it’s likely he’ll remain a bi-modal mess that makes you want to pull your hair out.

  261. Yank 97 August 30th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    stuckey99 -

    The problem is, we go through this every year with AJ. He supposedly “learns” how to pitch in the winter and will finally live up to his talents. He himself said he spent all winter working on his change-up. Yet, for yet another season, he has yet to implement it in his arsenal. If he isin’t going to implement it now, when he has a 5+ ERA and about to be pulled from the rotation, when is he going to do it? He needs a season of sucktitude before he does it? He can’t make those adjustments from start to start? Clearly, what he has been doing isin’t working. He has a 6.34 ERA in his last 20 starts. After his hot start, he has been one of the worst pitchers in baseball.

    He himself said he was a .500 pitcher and isin’t content with his career. He has said he doesn’t want to be one of those guys who never lives up fully to his talent. Hell, he said just last week that he watched King Felix throw his change and it showed him how good of a pitch it can be for (Burnett). He’s talked a big game in the past too, but has never acted on it.

    Like others have said, there is no evidence to indicate that AJ will come back strong next year, other than wishful thinking that his stubbornness, that has carried him throughout his career, and even throughout this miserable season, will subside. And like LGY said, even if he tries something new, how long before he goes back to his bad habits?

    The argument is that he was content with being mediocre in his career and needed a “wake up call” season for him to act on the changes he has been talking about for years. Nice theory, but not one that anyone can put much stock into until it happens.

    I do agree with you that he has the stuff/talent to go through a transformation and be a solid pitcher again,…. I’m just skeptical that this is the wake-up call that he needs for him to go through with it. His complicated mechanics also make things difficult in that regard.

  262. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    “But consistency and the ability to repeat mechanics are skills which he does’t have an abundance of so it’s likely he’ll remain a bi-modal mess that makes you want to pull your hair out.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m in deep trouble then, because I have none to pull out. It’s not like there’s a substitute, either. Society frowns on the one other thing that a guy can pull out.

  263. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    There’s nothing worse than a pitcher throwing a pitch that he’s not comfortable with.

  264. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    CB-

    You’re absolutely right in that AJ’s bimodal performance makes it difficult to effectively utilize the mean, as a 2 inning 8 run outing will do more to effect the final (year end) statistics than a 6 inning 0 run outing. On the other hand, he is so bimodal in his statistical performance that it is, as you suggest, not misleading to suggest that his inconsistency is not the result of a bad year, but a function of who he is. Simply because he shows no signs of consistency, there’s so justifiable reason to suggest that he will improve in the future, especially when he’s going to be 34 years old come spring of 2011.

  265. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    I thought Phil’s FB was considered one of the best in the game, Stuckey?

  266. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    I don’t know about that with AJ – his FB, regardless of velocity, doesn’t appear to be so hot anymore.

  267. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    And CB, I apologize for my overwhelming use of the word “suggest.” Hope you can make sense of it.

  268. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    What is bi-modal?

  269. CB August 30th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    GB7-

    Lol. And yes society does have a way of frowning on some things. Thankfully.

  270. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    I thought AJ had watched CC last year and then decided he could really use the change. Either way, he spent all off-season and most of ST working on it and then put it away for the season, like Phil.

  271. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    “If he isin’t going to implement it now, when he has a 5+ ERA and about to be pulled from the rotation, when is he going to do it? He needs a season of sucktitude before he does it? He can’t make those adjustments from start to start?”

    Some pitchers don’t/can’t/won’t.

    “The argument is that he was content with being mediocre in his career and needed a “wake up call” season for him to act on the changes he has been talking about for years. Nice theory, but not one that anyone can put much stock into until it happens.”

    I didn’t suggest otherwise. In fact, my post began: “I think the AJ bounce back theory goes something like this.”

    I’m not making predicions or placing bets .. simply articulating a premise.

  272. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    GB, I agree with that…………but how else do you become comfortable with it aside from throwing it?

  273. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    AJ can’t survive with 2 pitches – that’s obvious. Maybe not the change then – maybe a cutter? I don’t know, I’m reaching- but no pitcher can survive with 2 pitches, esp. one with little command.

  274. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    # Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    What is bi-modal?

    ————–

    CB is saying the because AJ is either so good or so bad, utilizing stats like the mean (his era or ERA+) is misleading because he does not pitch to this stat, but rather to either side of it. Bimodal distribution says that two answers appear most frequently and with equal frequency. In this case, it illuminates Burnett’s shocking inconsistency.

  275. CB August 30th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    I haven’t liked what I’ve seen out of Burnett this year. And by that I’m referring to his stuff.

    For the first time I can remember, I haven’t been impressed with AJ’s stuff. It’s been down for most of the season.

    That’s a real concern. Outside of the usual inconsistency his stuff isn’t as good as it was. And it’s nowhere close to what it was back in 2008.

    Don’t know why. It may just be that his mechanics have been particularly lousy. But it’s hard to definitively rule out that his stuff may have dropped a tick.

    And he’s a guy with no margin for error.

  276. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    IIOO, ah – I’ve got it.

    In essence, if you wanted a #5 starter, wouldn’t you want a pitcher who is ordinarily just mediocre on average rather than a guy like AJ? The mediocre/average guy is actually reliable for what he’s expected to give – sort of like Moseley.

  277. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    CB-

    May I ask, were you/are you in the statistics field? I was impressed with your knowledge of statistics (in the scientific sense) during our previous discussion on the usage of batting average vs. sabermetrical analysis. I have always considered those proponents of batting average to be rather naive, I guess making myself naive, but your arguments, while doing nothing to change my mind, opened my mind to the another perspective. I have a working knowledge of the subject because I’ve left graduate school not too long ago, so I’m curious as to whether this is a hobby or a profession in your case.

  278. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    What exactly does “stuff” consist of?

    Velocity? Movement? Command? Control (I still don’t know the difference between the 2 C’s) ?

    Does it consist of having several pitches?

  279. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    # Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    IIOO, ah – I’ve got it.

    In essence, if you wanted a #5 starter, wouldn’t you want a pitcher who is ordinarily just mediocre on average rather than a guy like AJ? The mediocre/average guy is actually reliable for what he’s expected to give – sort of like Moseley.

    ————–

    Yeah, this would be my opinion. I’m not sure if this is what CB was trying to get at when he brought up the idea of bimodal distribution, but yours is certainly a valid interpretation.

  280. Eroc August 30th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    CB,

    That is true. His stuff hasn’t been nearly as good this year as it has in the past. He is living off his reputation in that regard.

    A guy with that good stuff won’t pitch to a 6+ ERA over a 20+ start span. He would not suddenly be getting rocked for 6+ runs in 10 of his last 20 starts. He went from a slightly above avg, pitcher to one of the worst in baseball… that wouldn’t happen if he had his normal “nasty” stuff.

    Considering he is a 2-pitch pitcher, I guess that 1 MPH he lost off his FB has hurt him tremendously.

  281. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Baseball players, almost a a breed, are creatures of habit. The good ones are repeating routines and have developed mindsets that literally originate when they were kids.

    This mindset I know of from very close secondhand to somewhat firsthand. There isn’t a guy with plus stuff at whatever level they’re that doesn’t think he’s one pitch away from getting an OUT at ALL times.

    In fact, often rallies against pitchers like that come about through bouts of seductive but faulty logic.

    Pitchers with good stuff get to thinking hitters that have gotten on got somewhat lucky and after a few hits are strung together, that the odds are back in the pitchers favor if they stick with their best stuff. They’re aren’t going to get THREE hits in a row off MY fastball. And before you know it 3 has turned into 5.

    I’ve never met the man but I’m reasonably certain AJ Burnett is the posterboy for this mindset. He shows ALL the signs.

  282. CB August 30th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    It’s professional.

  283. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Betsy,

    “Stuff” generally means velocity, movement and break – the product of superior PHYSICAL tools.

  284. Jerkface August 30th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Command? Control?

    Command , the ability to throw the ball into the strike zone

    Control, the ability to throw quality strikes

  285. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    CB-

    Well, in that case, I hope you will forgive any potential misunderstandings that may result from my limited knowledge of the subject should it come up again.

  286. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    I agree Burnett has lost some “stuff” this season. But let’s be clear – Burnett’s raw stuff was always up there as some of the best in the game. He just never got them most out of it.

    There are VERY good pitchers in MLB making due with less raw ability than Burnett has right now.

  287. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Betsy, there’s a huge difference in throwing change-ups in practice/bullpen sessions and throwing one in a game. Burnett throws most of his change-ups in games where he has a sizable lead, because he has the room and the confidence to throw that pitch when he can afford to miss with it and to experiment with it. He’s not going to do that in a close game. Those big leads have been few and far between this year.

  288. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Stuckey, based on the FB? So you can have good/great stuff and be a one or two pitch pitcher?

    Jerkface, so if you have command, but not control, you’re not going to be a very good pitcher because your pitches will get the fat part of the plate?

  289. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    GB, that’s true……..well, that complicates matters for those wanting he and/or Phil to develop a change. I think AJ needs it more than Phil does at this time, but I think the thing is this and I’ve said it about Phil: AJ should have used his change more at the beginning of the year when he had some success in ST with it. Phil had more success in ST than AJ did actually….and so I thought he needed to build on that by using it early. Then when he didn’t (same would apply to AJ), the “fear” of throwing it just built up………

  290. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Unless you’re a knuckleballer, no starter is getting by on one pitch. even Wilbur Wood, The Niekros, Charley Hough threw fastballs, curves and sliders on occas sion.

  291. RSM August 30th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    “I haven?t liked what I?ve seen out of Burnett this year. And by that I?m referring to his stuff.
    For the first time I can remember, I haven?t been impressed with AJ?s stuff. It?s been down for most of the season.
    That?s a real concern. Outside of the usual inconsistency his stuff isn?t as good as it was. And it?s nowhere close to what it was back in 2008.
    Don?t know why. It may just be that his mechanics have been particularly lousy. But it?s hard to definitively rule out that his stuff may have dropped a tick.
    And he?s a guy with no margin for error.”

    I’d like to agree based on my casual observation. However, there have been quite a few games this season where he’s still just dominant. That goes against a dropoff in his overall “stuff”. Doesn’t it?

  292. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    It’s not fear of throwing it. it’s common sense. If you don’t think it’s good enough yet, you’re not going to get beat throwing your 3rd or 4th best pitch…at least you shouldn’t.

  293. CB August 30th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    There’s no reason to apologize. It’s just baseball and it’s all in good fun.

    Most things are grey. But on the internet they tend to become very black and white or reduced to this kind of faux- relativism where everything is simply a function of subjective opinion where one “opinion” is just as good as any other.

    Many of the discussions on the use of statistics in baseball mirror conversations that were happening in other fields 100 years ago, when different areas in society all wanted to become “sciences” and evolved in those directions.

    And by that I mean on both sides both the “pro” and “anti” stats sides. It’s more informal but in many ways similar to those debates inside of disciplines.

    Many of the “pro-stat” arguments could be pulled directly out of early 20th century Vienna. They’re very reductive.

    But on the whole those kinds of issues aren’t really worth getting into on the internet.

  294. Jerkface August 30th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Jerkface, so if you have command, but not control, you’re not going to be a very good pitcher because your pitches will get the fat part of the plate?

    Generally thats true, guys without command are likely not going to be in the majors at all unless they have absolutely filthy stuff.

    Guys without control can make it depending on pitch type.

  295. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    GB, then how do you go about feeling confident in a pitch? I don’t disagree with you, but at some point you have to let it fly…………..You’re never going to know unless you test that pitch against major league hitters in game situations.

    Jerkface, I think I’m confused. If control means throwing quality strikes, then isn’t it control more important? I mean if you have command and no control, doesn’t that mean you are throwing strikes..but bad ones (middle of the plate stuff)?

  296. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    CB-

    I think the fact that it’s baseball and all in good fun that people are more apt to paint things in those “black and white” terms. I think that I am more apt to view OBP or VORP in these terms than I would be to accept the statistical analysis of say a presidential election or global warming. What I enjoyed most about debating advanced statistics with you was the fact that I was able to see both sides of the argument and we were no longer debating in the “black and white” realm, but simply arguing which portion of the gray area we preferred.

    I guess the difference between these discussion and those 100 years ago is that we can all afford to be wrong. That’s what makes baseball, and other sports, a means of escape rather than a more serious matter.

  297. Jerkface August 30th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    If you can’t throw strikes, you won’t make the majors. You can throw strikes, but not good ones, and make the majors.

    Control is more important to being a good pitcher, command is more important to making the majors.

  298. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    CB…..Thing is that he came out of the blocks so damn on fire…..I’ve always been captivated with his arm and the unreal stuff that comes with his arm……I was convinced that he was about to make the leap after his 08 season ….Coming to NYC after that season I was optimistic that he would be a 17 / 18 game winner in Pinstripes…..Baffling to say the least, but he was the 2nd best pitcher available after CC and on that alone he was a necessary addition…..Atlanta was all over him as well…He’s more than capable of stringing together 5-6 good to outstanding starts before losing air in a tire

  299. CB August 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Command is really the ability to locate the ball where you want to with precision. Most often it’s the ability to locate the ball in specific regions inside of the strike zone. Command can also extend to outside of the strike zone, particularly when pitchers look to expand off the plate.

    Control is just the ability to throw strikes or at least to avoid walks.

    A pitcher with control can have poor command when he throws poor quality strikes and gets hammered. For example, when a pitcher is behind in the count 3-1 and just tries to throw a get me over pitch he’s prioritizing control over command.

    AJ Burnett has always been a very striking example of this. AJ throughout his career even when he’s on and is throwing strikes often has good control but poor command. It’s astonishing to watch him pitch and get guys out and miss his location so frequently even when he’s on.

    Before he could do well with good control and ok command.

    For the first time in his career this year that relationship has been broken. Relatively good control with ok command is no longer sufficient. And that’s the big concern with AJ this season.

    AJ’s walking far fewer hitters this season compared to last yet he’s been much worse than last season. And that’s because the hitters are exploiting the flaws in his command even though his control has been mediocre to ok (or at least OK given AJ past careeer performances)

  300. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    I’ve always that command was the ability to locate a pitch, strike or otherwise. While control was simply the ability to throw strikes, whether or not they are located in the best place possible. So, in theory, a pitcher could have great control, as in he throws strikes, but gets hammered because the strikes are of a low quality. On the other hand, a pitcher with command can locate the pitch where he wants whether inside or outside the strike zone. Not sure if I’m off base here, it’s just my understanding of the two terms.

  301. CB August 30th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    “I think that I am more apt to view OBP or VORP in these terms than I would be to accept the statistical analysis of say a presidential election or global warming.”

    This is probably where we part ways. I don’t make exceptions for baseball. Analysis is either done in a valid fashion or it’s not (owning that valid here is a range rather than a binary).

    The use “scientific” comes up frequently in sabermetric circles for example. I cringe when I hear this.

    It’s this general issue that people somehow equate quantitative with scientific and that’s not even remotely a valid proposition.

    But on the whole that’s not a conversation people want to have.

  302. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Betsy,

    AJ Burnett is 33 year’s old.

    He’s generally be able to better hitters with his fastball and curve for 25, 26 years. That’s not as easy to change as it might seem.

    I’m sure as a big fan you’ve heard the expression “don’t get beat by anything but your best pitch”.

    That’s religion to some pitchers. They just want to throw their best stuff to keep runners off-base and then when runners get on they want to stick to their best stuff to keep them from scoring.

    It’s a seductive mindset. If you talk to them any time they aren’t throwing they’ll look you in the eye and tell you the importance of variety and mixing their pitches, and very genuinely mean it. But get them on the mound in a game situation and it’s a whole different … well … ballgame.

  303. Jerkface August 30th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    I could have mixed them up. It happens all the time! Either way just reverse them in my post if I mixed them up, the name isnt important its the idea!

  304. CB August 30th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    “Thing is that he came out of the blocks so damn on fire…..I’ve always been captivated with his arm and the unreal stuff that comes with his arm……”

    Pat M.-

    I watched him pitch quite a bit down the stretch in 2008 and he was simply lights out. It was probably the best he’d thrown his entire career.

    If you listened to what he said about growing up and changing and watched his performance as he entered free agency he was an easy guy to dream on.

    But he’s taken major steps back since then after joining the yanks.

    His stuff hasn’t been there this year at the same level. He may need to evolve and he’s shown very limited capacity to do that. Maybe when pushed he’ll be forced to but until we see it out on the field I don’t think you can believe it (despite what he’s going to say come next spring… canned comments you can unwind from many springs in the past – including when he was on the Jays).

    Ultimately the yanees were desperate for pitching and when you’re desperate in a hot market you are going to make a deal that is either very expensive, very risky or both. And the market for pitching was that winter was very hot like it is every winter regardless of the economy – just look at the deals CC, AJ, Derek Low and even Ollie Perez got that winter…

  305. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    CB-

    I think you misunderstood me. I didn’t mean that viewing statistics of any kind in that way was a valid means of analysis, only that it’s a easy trap to fall into when talking about something meant for entertainment. My ultimate point was that I preferred debating the subject with you, as opposed to those who are “black and white” on one side or another (sabermetrical vs. traditional) because you can accept the short comings when it comes to true statistical analysis on each side. Like I said, I have a working knowledge of the subject, but as you alluded to, no one is going to be too interested in bimodal distribution as it applies to Burnett’s career statistics (at least for the most part). I find myself, for the sake of good debate, taking the side I find most persuasive are arguing it as if there are no gray areas. That does not make it correct, but is simply a luxury afforded to us by hobby rather than profession, politic, national security, education, or the like.

  306. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    When did AJ start his downward spiral this season ??? Sometime in late May ??

  307. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    I’ve been hinting at this question for a few days now, but no one has taken the bait. One contract you could remove from the Yankees without penalty, who would it be?

  308. CB August 30th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    “I find myself, for the sake of good debate, taking the side I find most persuasive are arguing it as if there are no gray areas. That does not make it correct, but is simply a luxury afforded to us by hobby rather than profession, politic, national security, education, or the like.”

    Ok. Got it.

    On the whole it’s kind of a thorny area where a lot of absolutism has taken root (see Dave Cameron for example – no statistician I’ve ever worked with would ever draw conclusions or the way he does… but then he has no real expertise in statistics that I can discern outside of a limited set of methods he’s grown accustomed to… much like bill james did a generation ago…) And much of the value of quantitative analysis is to make issue more explicit so they can be debated and understood in a richer, more complex fashion not to reduce them to binary right and wrong.

  309. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Well, here’s an oddly encouraging fact.

    As bad as Burnett has been in August, he was WORSE (really) in June.

    June: 5 starts, 11.35 ERA, 23 IP, 35H, 29 runs, 17BB, 19K, .357 avg against

    August: 5 starts, 7.80 ERA, 30IP, 38H, 27 runs, 13BB, 21k, .311 avg against

    The oddly encouraging part.

    He was very good in July.

    September can’t come soon enough.

  310. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    “I’ve been hinting at this question for a few days now, but no one has taken the bait. One contract you could remove from the Yankees without penalty, who would it be?”

    Rodriquez. Not even a question.

    Burnett is second but a distant second.

  311. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    CB-

    As a biological science major, I know that the whole point of science is to allow for debate and further understanding. There’s a reason that theories of gravity and evolution, although virtually undeniable are still classified as such. There is no end to the influx of information, and as such, there can be no facts, only well established “theories.” I find that the word theory is among the most misunderstood outside of the world of science.

    An interesting story (I hope) that proves your point about a lack of “binary right and wrong[s]” came in my second year of grad school. I was attending a conference in Minnesota with my genetics professor who had spent 30 years of his life devoted to one particular portion of the science. At the conference, one scientist took the podium and proceeded to debunk everything he had spent his life on. I remember feeling flush and completely embarrassed for my mentor, but he simply got out of his seat, walked to the front of the auditorium and shook the other scientist’s hand. It was then I realized that the point of science was not to be right or wrong, but simply get to the heart of the matter. Being proven wrong doesn’t mean anything as long as the field has been advanced. It was also then that I fell madly in love with science.

  312. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Yeah!!! Lets unload that 35-40 homer, 120-140 RBI, .300 hitting, 20 steal, defensively solid 3rd baseman. There’s so many more jusy like him.

  313. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    “I’ve been hinting at this question for a few days now, but no one has taken the bait. One contract you could remove from the Yankees without penalty, who would it be?”

    Rodriquez. Not even a question.

    Burnett is second but a distant second

    ————–

    Boy, that was easy. I agree completely. I thought I was some kind of trailblazer for thinking that A-Rod’s was by far the worst on the team. Haha, you proved me wrong.

  314. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    GB-

    There are very few like him in the history of the game and I think he’ll continue to be great for us, but he has 7 years and 174 million left on his contract, not including bonuses for reaching milestones. That’s an oppressive deal. The fact that he’s the best player I’ve seen in Yankee uniform doesn’t change the fact that his contract is terrible.

  315. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    “Yeah!!! Lets unload that 35-40 homer, 120-140 RBI, .300 hitting, 20 steal, defensively solid 3rd baseman. There’s so many more jusy like him.”

    Got nothing to do with not liking him as a player. The contract was a mistake the second it was signed.

    He’s making $174m 2011-2017, including $31m next year and there’s no guarantee his health issues the last 2 years will be isolated over the next 7 years he’s signed through.

    I think he’ll be big in the postseason, and think he’ll be very productive the next few years, but if I can get out from under that contract, I do it without a 2nd thought.

  316. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Alex’s contract is a heavy stone for certain….However I’m not inclined at all to just say goodbye….Once he becomes more of a DH which should help slow down the aging process somewhat, the contract hopefully won’t seem so stifling……Winfield, Molitor were very good at that role as they hit their late 30′s early 40′s

  317. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    If AJ does well in his next start it could be a double-edged sword because it may allow him to stay in the rotation even if his next three starts are awful.

    I’m glad to have been wrong about Cervelli, if only for one day.

  318. Carl August 30th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    I may be rude, but I don’t like it when Yankee fans bring up money. A-Rod didn’t stop us from spending half a billion last year.

  319. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Rodriguez’ contract hasn’t been anymore painful than Jeter’s $21 mil a year contract over the last few years….or what Teixeira’s could be.

  320. CB August 30th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    That’s a nice story about your mentor. Only if paradigm shifts always went that smoothly and graciously…

    In light of that next time you think about batting average consider a few questions:

    What is the underlying theory providing the foundation for what constitutes a “good” baseball player. How has that theory been validated?

    In turn how was that theory translated into a conceptual model? How was that model mapped to constructs? How were those related constructs about what a “good player” does then operationalized as variables? How were these mappings validated?

    Finally, consider how was domain level expertise integrated at all steps in the above procedures?

  321. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Carl-

    Why can’t we bring up money? Just because we have the most to spend doesn’t mean we should do so unwisely. No one is blaming A-Rod for his huge contract, he’s a great player, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s harmful in the long run.

  322. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Rodriguez’ contract hasn’t been anymore painful than Jeter’s $21 mil a year contract over the last few years….or what Teixeira’s could be

    —————–

    Yeah, that’s true. I think even worse is going to be the deal Jeter gets after this season. I’m thinking 60 mil for 3 years. That’s going to be scary.

  323. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    GB…What in the hell is CB talking about ??? Can you translate for me ???

  324. Carl August 30th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    # IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Carl-

    Why can’t we bring up money? Just because we have the most to spend doesn’t mean we should do so unwisely. No one is blaming A-Rod for his huge contract, he’s a great player, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s harmful in the long run.

    What was unwise about it? He was the best player in the league, who was going to break the all time home run record. They didn’t know he was on the juice at one point. The contract was going to pay for itself.

  325. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 1:55 am
    GB…What in the hell is CB talking about ??? Can you translate for me ???

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, it’s code for “he can whip you and Randy on the golf course with one hand tied behind him, but he’s deathly afraid of my prowess on the links”.

    Pat, he talking statistics and that’s way out of my league. I was a collector of numbers in my job. I let others make statistics lie to suit their needs.

  326. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:04 am

    CB-

    The questions you ask are obviously rather dense to answer at this hour of the night, but I would say that, at first glance, there have been “theories” for what constitutes a good baseball player, but, up to this point, none have been validated.

    In regards to conceptual models and the like, I cannot think of any convincing examples. I would argue that very few theories move beyond that point. That is, they are simply theories. You’re the professional, but, to me, baseball is an especially difficult sport to work with due to the nearly endless amount of variables.

    As far as domain expertise, I have not generally heard that term outside of software development, but I assume you are asking me to what extent have those who have developed these theories and conceptual models have knowledge of the sport they are seeking to define.

    May I ask whether or not you are a software developer? No need to answer if you don’t want to, but I’m enjoying the attempts at pinning you down through vocabulary alone. Obviously this is ridiculous considering we are only speaking on the internet, but it’s fun nonetheless.

  327. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 2:07 am

    The most fruitful time to assess A-Rod’s contract is not in year 3 of 10 year deal.

  328. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Rich-

    I agree completely, I posed the question earlier as a mere hypothetical, not an absolute. I just thought it would be an interesting point of discussion as to which Yankee contract we view as the worst in the long run. Tagging A-Rod has little to do with this ability as a baseball player, and is solely based on our vision for the future.

  329. CB August 30th, 2010 at 2:10 am

    I’m not a golfer, by choice. I remember when I first played a bit – some friends got me to go.

    And by the end of the afternoon this was the only thing I could think about:

    To actually get good at this crazy game you’d have to devote your life to it.

    It was like staring into madness.

    I’ve declined further offers to hit the links and my sanity thanks me for it.

    A good walk spoiled. Lots of wisdom there.

  330. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 2:15 am

    GB…He fears for his life

  331. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:16 am

    Golf is the most difficult game on the planet. I still go with my father and family from time to time and it always begins as a enjoyable experience, a “good walk” as CB put it, but, by the 6th hole everyone is miserable. I take a certain sort of pleasure from the misery, but I can understand anyone who could do without it.

    There are very few things that have challenged me as intensely as golf, and I’m still terrible. I play quite a few times a year, and always look forward to it, but find myself walking off the 18th green with my 102 wondering just how anyone becomes a professional. It truly is “staring into madness,” but what a wonderful madness it is.

    The cost of playing and the elitism, on the other hand, I could do without.

  332. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 2:17 am

    CB August 30th, 2010 at 2:10 am
    I’m not a golfer, by choice. I remember when I first played a bit – some friends got me to go.

    And by the end of the afternoon this was the only thing I could think about:

    To actually get good at this crazy game you’d have to devote your life to it.

    It was like staring into madness.

    I’ve declined further offers to hit the links and my sanity thanks me for it.

    A good walk spoiled. Lots of wisdom there.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I have ruined golf for a lot of people, CB.

    My golf has even caused one person to send me to Vietnam and then the coward quit the Army after 16 years. True that he decided that with me out of the way and not picking up my bad habits, he could make it as a pro golfer, but, that’s beside the point. Big deal…he won the US Open in 1969.

  333. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:19 am

    GB-

    Is that true? I mean I have no way of verifying this, but are you saying that you not only knew Orville Moody, but he was the reason that you went to Vietnam? This is an amazing story.

  334. CB August 30th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    GB7-

    Maybe if you could swing the clubs more like Orville Moody Nurse Karloff would have been a little kinder, maybe even a little more gentle with you?

  335. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    Orville Moody was the golf pro at Ft. Hood, Texas and gave me my first lessons.

    I’m sure that he regretted ever doing that. I only suspect that he had me shipped off to Vietnam for the protection of innocent golfers.

  336. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 2:24 am

    Cody Ransom is still available.

  337. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 2:26 am

    CB August 30th, 2010 at 2:22 am
    GB7-

    Maybe if you could swing the clubs more like Orville Moody Nurse Karloff would have been a little kinder, maybe even a little more gentle with you?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    In that case, being the world’s worst golfer was a blessing. Besides, I’ve shipped her out in a freight car to Rhode Island. The railroads were the only ones that would haul her. My gift to Randy…that lucky stiff.

  338. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    GB-

    Wow, my grandfather knew Orville Moody, and couldn’t stand him. My grandfather was in the Navy and always said that no self respecting Army man would fancy himself a golfing solider and be so pompous about it. You say he “shipped” you “off to Vietnam for the protection of innocent golfers,” I hope I’m not overstepping my bounds but I can’t help but ask, can you be more specific? My grandfather is 86 years old and would absolutely love any information you could provide. Either way, I’ll be calling him first thing tomorrow, he’ll get such a kick out of someone, anyone, justifying all the stories he’s told me over the years. This is really a thrill for me.

  339. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:30 am

    GB-

    I know you have quite the sense of humor, so forgive me if I’m missing your sarcasm, it’s just that the mention of Orville Moody, someone I have heard so much about from my grandfather has dulled my senses for the moment.

  340. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 2:33 am

    No, it’s just a joke on here about my golf game. I did go on my first tour of Vietnam a few months after my first lesson, though. He actually advised my to find a new hobby. We laughed about it over a couple of beers. He was a nice guy. The rest of it is for laughs and you;re the first person to ever take it seriously. He could send anybody anywhere. He was only a sergeant.

  341. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 2:34 am

    He ***couldn’t*** send anybody

  342. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:38 am

    Haha, I figured you were kidding once I read you’re post again. That’s why I backed off not long after. It’s a good joke though, especially for those of us who are much too young to know anything about the man. I knew that you were in Vietnam, and that he was an “Army golfer,” so I was overly excited. I had no idea what rank he was, only that my grandfather couldn’t stand him. He always called him the most pompous military man he’s ever met. My grandpa is also a terrible golfer, so maybe there’s something there.

    But I appreciate the excitement your comment provided, that was a fun few minutes to be sure. I think I’m the first person to take it seriously because I’m the first guy in his 20′s to not only know who Moody was, but have a grandfather who did nothing but complain about him for the last 6 years.

    I’m still laughing about your golf game though. ;)

  343. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:40 am

    Once i read **your** post again.

  344. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 2:41 am

    IIOIIOIIO, you slipped up again, now we know you’re a guy in his 20′s and can trace you further based on your earlier stories.

    Does it feel like the walls are closing in yet?

    It should.

  345. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:44 am

    Nick-

    What earlier stories are those?

  346. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 2:45 am

    Everybody laughed about my golf game…laughter mixed with fear. Orville just cried. I was sad when I heard that he had died, though. he really was a nice guy. He worked for the US army special Services Section, as did other types of entertainers like Elvis Presley when he was stationed there, though he was also a tanker.

  347. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:46 am

    GB-

    Did Orville ever seen action? Is there any truth to my grandfather’s stories that he was simply a military golfer?

  348. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 2:47 am

    Biological science… Minnesota conference…. genetics professor… 30 years… the handshake at the podium….

  349. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:50 am

    Nick-

    you misunderstood my story. I am a recent grad school graduate. The professor I shook hands with had 30 years of experience. Read it again, CB had no problem understanding. The man with 30 years of experience was my mentor, he was proven wrong by the speaker after 30 years of work and walked up to shake his hand. I was only in the audience. I don’t even work in the biological science field anymore. I was a biological science/english double major. I teach now. Please don’t judge me before you understand.

  350. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 2:52 am

    I didn’t misunderstand. All details.

    I’ll never be able to take your comments about AJ the same way again.

  351. Jerkface August 30th, 2010 at 2:53 am

    A classic gambit by Nick, confusing the subject into revealing even more details. He has you now.

  352. m August 30th, 2010 at 2:55 am

    HOHOHO,

    Don’t bother fighting it. It’s been proven again and again that Nick knows each of us better than we know ourselves.

    :lol:

  353. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:55 am

    Nick-

    I can’t tell if you’re kidding or not. I told a story that had quite an effect on me in graduate school, you misunderstood, and accused me of making up some internet persona. I hope, based on your AJ comment, that you have reread my story and understood that I am not trying to mislead anyone. Tonight was the first night I’ve divulged anything about my personal life, and attacks like yours are the reason why I’ve hesitated to do so previously.

    On the other hand, if you just misread my comment earlier, then no hard feelings. I do like your photos, especially the frequent In and Out burger trips.

    If you are still insisting I am lying, I hate your stupid photos.

  354. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Now we know more.

  355. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Is Nick going to show up at my apartment in the near future insisting I don’t live here?

  356. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 2:57 am

    IIOIIOIIO….Special code or formula ????

  357. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:59 am

    pat-

    From my 45 years of experience in the chemistry field, I can assure you it’s a formula.

  358. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 3:02 am

    I know I should stop it, but it’s too funny.

    Yes, code man, I was kidding. I didn’t misunderstand any part of your story. I wasn’t accusing you of anything. I will not be predudiced when you comment about AJ.

    But if Phil doesn’t win another game this season, I will blame your jinxing ways.

  359. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Prejudiced. For a second I was spelling like an undercover refugee biologist.

  360. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 3:03 am

    IOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 2:46 am
    GB-

    Did Orville ever seen action? Is there any truth to my grandfather’s stories that he was simply a military golfer?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m not sure if he did or not. He was in Korea in the early 50s at the tail end of the Korean War or just after. He spent a lot of years in maintenace and was a maintenace supervisor on all types of vehicles. I never asked what he did in Korea. Was none of my business, but, besides vehicle maintenace, I assume that he also played in The US Military Far East Golf Tournaments.

  361. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:04 am

    I prefer Mr. Code.

  362. m August 30th, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Just for fun, try typing in IIOIIOIIO into a firefox address bar.

  363. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:09 am

    GB-

    The fact that you said it was “none or your business” demonstrates why I could never be a military man. The way you guys handle yourself is so far and above my comprehension, and typifies exactly why those in the military deserve our utmost respect.

    My grandfather has Alzheimer’s, which is part of the reason I got so excited when I thought you were reinforcing stories he told me for the past 6 years or so. It becomes tough to believe a lot of what you’re told when a loved when gets to a certain point. Of course, part of that has to do with my naivety, but either way, your stories are interesting enough on their own.

    Full disclosure: I am fib a little bit when telling my grandpa the story of our conversation tonight. ;)

  364. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:10 am

    I ***may*** fib

  365. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:11 am

    m-

    I didn’t get much except for some strange Spanish song with pictures of what seems to be a 12 year old girl.

    I don’t know how this band got pictures of me…

  366. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 3:11 am

    My father was an ink chemist,…..Did all the ink work for the Corning ware division of Corning

  367. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:14 am

    Pat-

    Just in the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I am not a chemist and am only in my 20′s. After what happened with Nick earlier, I don’t wish to be declared a liar anymore in the near future.

    That said, the job of an ink chemist seems rather complex, did he go to school for chemistry before hand? Ink chemistry is such a large part of the technology we utilize, especially in today’s world.

  368. m August 30th, 2010 at 3:17 am

    Sounded Arabic to me. It was pretty loud, so I closed it. Thought maybe you’re CIA or something. ;) At any rate, you’ve given Nick quite enough material to build a thick dossier.

    Watch out for that one. He’s the only one who’s figured out how many children I have.

  369. Jerkface August 30th, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Watch out for that one. He’s the only one who’s figured out how many children I have.

    Which is a feat because neither of her husbands know the truth either.

  370. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:19 am

    m-

    As long you as you don’t tell Nick, I’ll tell you that I planted that video as an act of counter-terrorism. I am picturing him pouring over his files of everyone on the blog right now–glasses on, coffee on the desk, pencil in his ear.

  371. m August 30th, 2010 at 3:24 am

    I don’t know what happened in a course of a half a day, but after the Rays win, their chances of winning the division went up to 57.6%, and the Yankees dropped to 41.9%. We were only 1% apart this afternoon.

  372. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:26 am

    m-

    I haven’t checked out those statistics, but could that be related to strength of schedule down the stretch?

  373. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 3:27 am

    I didn’t figure it out for sure until she disowned Cervelli. :(

  374. m August 30th, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Scratch that, I must’ve been looking at something else this afternoon. Those numbers are a lot different from what I saw earlier.

  375. m August 30th, 2010 at 3:28 am

    IIOOIIOO,

    That’s gotta be a factor.

  376. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 3:28 am

    IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:09 am
    GB-

    The fact that you said it was “none or your business” demonstrates why I could never be a military man. The way you guys handle yourself is so far and above my comprehension, and typifies exactly why those in the military deserve our utmost respect.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There are a lot of people, men and women that enjoyed the military lifestyle. Good education, travel were some of the benefits. The drawbacks are low pay, a certain lack of freedom, long absences from home/family, the possibilities of war….you just take the good and the bad. I was lucky that I was able to do what I enjoyed for 35 years. It wasn’t a shoot ‘em up war…even in Vietnam, Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Africa. We built power stations, dug wells, built homes, schools, hospitals and clinics and trained civians to do emergency medical procedures.

    All SF personnel are medics among other specialty skills. It’s a kick to go back a couple of years later and see what they are doing for themselves. Contrary to popular belief, that is much of the military’s job now….assistance and instruction.

  377. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:34 am

    GB-

    My grandfather was also in WWII, stationed in Hawaii. He was in charge of guarding prisoners and has nothing but glowing stories to tell. But like you said, for all those glowing stories, there are thousands upon thousands who lose their lives.

    I am intrigued by the fact that you say you “enjoyed” it for 35 years, this is something that many of us in the younger generation can’t fathom. My grandfather signed himself up when he was underage, I forget what the limit was at that time, but I believe he was 17 and needed a guardian to co-sign. It just seems a different point in American history, where young men and women thought were actually anxious to join.

    So you’ve actually gone back to the places where you’ve served? That must have been a wonderful experience. I don’t know much about being a soldier, but to see the place where you were expected to do such an intense job as a civilian must have been an amazing thing.

  378. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 3:49 am

    Yes, we would make return trips for our tours of duty. We’d train and then go do something useful. Some of the training was a little strange. One was in Thailand where he had to know what to do when faced with a cobra. The trick is to slowly move your hand around behind the head and grab it before it would strike. It took a bit of doing, but, I figured it out. There was this one unnamed idiot that tried it and the cobra tried to strike. he instinctively did something stupid. He slapped the cobra. Needless to say, that’s not recommended. A test failure that day. Oh, yeah….and a lot of beer afterwards to calm down.

  379. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 3:59 am

    Haha, oh my god, a cobra! Jeez, GB, you’ve got stories that I will never have as long as I live. Not only did you serve your country, you seem to have had great experiences. I’m not trying to diminish your service by saying you had great experiences, but you should be proud of the way you lived. I truly look forward to hearing more of your stories in the future, but I have to be up in 4 hours and should probably get some sleep.

    Have a goodnight, I enjoyed every bit of our conversation.

  380. IIOIIOIIO August 30th, 2010 at 4:00 am

    Oh, and I will be asking you what happened to cobra scientist in the future, so don’t forget.

  381. 86w183 August 30th, 2010 at 7:11 am

    Handling a cobra is a lot like handling a spouse one week a month apparently.

  382. Doreen August 30th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    86w183 -

    Did you think you’d get away with that??? :lol:

  383. 86w183 August 30th, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Not really

  384. Chuck58 August 30th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    hahaha :-)

  385. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Jerkface, aha – thanks! So control (at least in the majors) is more important – that’s what I thought. I guess all good pitchers have both, some to a different and better degree than others? Being able to throw to all quadrants of the plate would be control?

  386. MTU August 30th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    These are the only cobra’s I ever hope to get near or handle.

    http://www.stangbangers.com/06.....lpaper.jpg

  387. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    CB, thanks! It’s a very interesting subject to me…………Is this where AJ’s velocity comes in ? Who knows? If he had better command, then maybe his velocity wouldn’t matter? Maybe his FB isn’t moving as much as it did in the past?

  388. pat August 30th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    m

    I’d like to retract my answer about sensationalism from last night and use this quote from this mornings newspaper to answer it better than I did.

    “Should Clemens carry his not guilty stance forward and demand a trial, the government would almost certainly summon injured Yankee starter Andy Pettitte to testify against his former friend, and Clemens’ attorneys would need to attack him.

    Other witnesses could include a range of steroid dealers, Yankee players past and present, and any number of people whom the FBI might have identified as knowledgeable about what went on in major league clubhouses and gyms at the peak of the Steroid Era.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z0y5bE4YXe

    A bunch of guys who have said for years they saw nothing and knew nothing when they weren’t under oath, now under oath. Sensational.

    Andy Pettitte under oath talking about anything PEDs related he saw, heard or knew from being in a Yankee clubhouse over the years. Sensational.

    Derek Jeter, witness for the prosecution or character witness for the defense? Sensational. (Maybe someone will finally ask him if he’s hurt so we can get a straight answer?)

  389. upstate kate August 30th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    good morning all

    great game for Nova, love his composure. We had to listen to the White sox broadcasters until we arrived home, what a bunch of whiners. They were complaining about the ref giving all the strike calls to the Yankees. I can’t imagine a rookie pitcher getting calls, but I didn’t see it.

    Betsy
    The other morning when I made a comment about not being worried about Phil’s bad game, that was in no way responding to anything you said earlier. In the morning, I just scroll down to the bottom of the page, I don’t bother w/ the overnight comments.

  390. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Kate, not to worry, but thanks!

    Stuckey, I understand what you are saying about AJ and that’s one of the concerns I have about Phil – with his change and his curve. Of course he’s only 24 years old and not 33 like AJ, but still and all…………….

  391. MTU August 30th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Kate-

    Morning.

    You mean you don’t read the game threads ?

    That’s usually when all the blog luminaries come out, and the lovefests really begin.

    You don’t know what you’re missing.

  392. ac1 August 30th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Buster_ESPN Manny’s ejection on Sunday has to rank among the 10 most unprofessional moments I’ve witnessed.
    ___

    If this is regarding Manny’s reaction, i don’t blame him. The strike was a terrible call. If these umps don’t want players and managers in their face, start doing a better job of calling games and plays at the bases.

  393. Doreen August 30th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    pat -

    Derek Jeter give a straight answer about being hurt? Ha! Even under oath, I can imagine the answer – “that depends on what your definition of ‘hurt’ is.”

    But seriously, I can’t imagine anything worse than a Clemens trial in terms of sensationalism and with regard to disrupting a baseball season for the Yankees.

    It would also add to the mis-perception that it’s mostly Yankees or ex-Yankees who participated in the steroid era, because every witness will have a connection to the Yankees, because, unfortunately, this is where this particular story starts.

  394. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Thanks a lot, Rog…………….I’m very conflicted about him as I was a big fan when he was on the team and my nickname on another board is in his honor, lol

  395. blake August 30th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Good conversations over night.

    Still pumped about yesterdays game…it was an exciting one with a lot of drama.

    MTU..what’s up. Have you returned from the wilderness unscathed.

  396. blake August 30th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    The white Sox are the perfect place for Manny and his foolishness. He better hit the rest of the season because if not this may be his last month in the big leagues…
    Can’t imagine a whole lot of teams lining up to deal with his act unless he makes it clear that he’s still an impact hitter.

    Predictably…Buster says that if its about the money then Girardi will be the cubs manager next season and sounded like he really wanted to predict that on the radio this AM….oh buster.

  397. MTU August 30th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    No cobras out West (Except the Ford variety) so no real danger.

    Just getting caught up.

    What do you think. Is Nova for real ?

    Do you agree with Girarardi’s decision to stick with AJ ?

  398. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Later !

  399. blake August 30th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    MTU,
    His stuff is for real..he’s not getting lucky out there. Mid 90′s with a little sink and cut at times, good curveball, and change and good mound presence. He seems unafraid. He seems to have a tensancy to get the secondary stuff up in the zone at times when he tires but if he stays down in the zone then he could be really good. Curveball was night and day better yesterday than his first outing.

    Just two starts but not much to dislike so far.

    Re AJ:. I would have skipped him a start but I understand them not doing it. Girardi is very loyal and knows how important AJ is…what better opportunity to get back on track than the A’s at home. At some point AJ is going to have to evolve though as he’s just not getting away witn the location misses that he used to anymore.

  400. MTU August 30th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Blake-

    Nova may be just the lightning in a bottle the Yanks need right now.

    Thanks for your impressions.

    I agree on AJ. My take is he should get skipped at least one start.

    He is the most talented consistent inconsistent pitcher you’re ever likely to see.

  401. 108 stitches August 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Burnett is his own worst enemy with his stubborness and disinterest in using another pitch in his arsenal. Hitters sit on his fastball and realize when his curveball isn’t working it bounces in front of the plate allowing runners to move up or score.
    The difference with him and Nova is that Nova trusts his stuff and Burnett doesn’t. At the age of 23, Ivan Nova realizes he needs multiple pitches to give hitters things to think about. Burnett hasn’t or won’t realize that.

  402. JCPD August 30th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Hey MTU, I’ll match your YMH tributes with a superNova tribute. No particular hike here, just instances that I’ve been fortunate enough to have my camera with me

    http://picasaweb.google.com/10.....qkka_14QE#

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