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Pregame notes: Two weeks “realistic” for Pettitte

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Aug 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees White Sox BaseballAndy Pettitte doesn’t know when exactly he’ll throw his next bullpen. He doesn’t know when he’ll finally face hitters, and he’s not sure how well his arm will bounce back from today’s bullpen session. Taking an absolute guess, Pettitte said he could be back in two weeks at the earliest.

“That would be real quick,” he said.

Joe Girardi thought that guess was a good one.

“That sounds about right,” Girardi said. “As long as we don’t have any setbacks, that’s realistic.”

Assuming he feels good tomorrow, Pettitte’s next bullpen will come either Tuesday or Wednesday. It was obvious from Pettitte’s tone this morning that he feels much better than he did on Friday, and Girardi seemed similarly encouraged.

As for how long Pettitte rehabs, Girardi said he might not get fully stretched out in the minor leagues.

“It might be a situation where we’re not asking you to go 100 pitches your first start back with us,” Girardi said. “Give us 75 or 80, and we’ll see where we are. We’re probably going to have to build him up here a little bit. There might come a point where it’s hard to find games for him to pitch in except up here.”

Here’s Pettitte speaking before the game.

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Yankees White Sox Baseball• Without Mark Teixeira in the lineup, Nick Swisher will make his first start of the year in the No. 3 spot.

• Lance Berkman just ran the bases a little bit. Assuming that went well and his ankle felt strong, he’ll begin a rehab assignment with Trenton tomorrow. “We’ll watch carefully to see if he’s favoring it or if he feels OK,” Girardi said. “And then how it feels tomorrow.”

• As long as he’s healthy, Berkman won’t need many minor league at-bats. “I don’t anticipate he’ll need a ton, but you just have to see how it goes,” Girardi said.

• Girardi said he’d have to check with Javier Vazquez to make sure he’s available tonight. Asked who his long man would be, Girardi’s first response was Chad Gaudin. At least, I assume that’s who he meant. “Chad’s available to do that,” Girardi said. Obviously, I was flattered.

• The Yankees seem excited about Ivan Nova’s potential. They liked what they saw last time, and think his breaking ball can be better. “I think we all remember what it’s like to start our first game, and the feelings you have and the emotions you have,” Girardi said. “We saw his curveball get better as the game went on. Could that be because he was too hyped up? Maybe. We think he can be better.”

• Looking ahead two weeks to the Andy Pettitte best-case scenario: The Yankees will be wrapping up a series in Texas and about to begin a series in Tampa Bay. Those would seem to be tough games for a 75-pitch starter who hasn’t pitched in the big leagues in two months. In two and a half weeks, the Yankees are in Baltimore. Would that make more sense? I don’t know. Maybe.

• Frank Thomas is having his number retired before today’s game. “Extremely selective hitter that was very productive,” Girardi said. “Dangerous. Dangerous. Dangerous. Batting champ. Drove in a ton of runs. He was a great player.”

Associated Press photos of Pettitte and Teixeira

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265 Responses to “Pregame notes: Two weeks “realistic” for Pettitte”

  1. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Laura,

    I understand why voters wouldn’t vote for him.

    But I don’t understand why MG would say he doesn’t deserve it. He has been arguably the best pitcher in the AL this year.

  2. Erin August 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I’m off for the day-enjoy the game everyone!

    Go Yankees :)

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    “Pregame notes: Two weeks “realistic” for Pettitte”

    Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday…

    Hats off to LGY, PatM, and all others who believed we’d see Andy back in the lineup and didn’t worry otherwise.

    Lack of worry is such a cool thing Yankee fans!

    Speaking of which, I do believe that if the Rays finish off the Suxers today those of you who were still at al worried about the Sux may be able to rest easy. Im pretty interested in seeing what the Orioles are going to do against the Sux. You may remember that the O’s swept the Sux earlier in the season, and that was before Buck took over the team and they went on a roll!

    Should be fun.

    :)

  4. MG August 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Repost:

    MG August 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    LGY August 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    “Felix Hernandez won’t be winning the Cy Young Award this year, period. Other than relievers, the lowest win total ever by a Cy Young Award winner is 16-he has virtually no chance to get there and, with Bucholz at 15-5 with a 2.21 ERA and CC probably going to win 22-23 games he just has no chance, nor does he deserve it for 2010. He’s a great pitcher, unquestionably, but that’s not enough to win the award this year.”

    ————————

    MG,

    Lincecum won the CY with 15 wins last year.

    Why doesn’t Felix deserve it?
    —————————–
    LGY, I had only looked at AL winners so missed Lincecum’s 15 wins last year but he shouldn’t have won it either-Carpenter and Wainwright both had better numbers but split the 1st place votes.

    Felix is 10-10, he probably has 6-7 starts left. If he were to win each start and finish at 16 or 17-10 with a lower ERA than Bucholz there could be a case made but Seattle is so bad that’s highly unlikely. Bucholz will probably wind up with 18-19 wins and a lower ERA than Felix and CC is going to win 22-23 games, I just don’t see how a mediocre year (in terms of wins and losses) by a great pitcher can overcome the other two guys.

  5. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    m

    It’s a “cake and eat it too” thing.

  6. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 August 29th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    That is a beautiful picture of Andy. ( sorry, it had to be said lol).

  7. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    MG,

    I see. I am extremely skeptical Felix will get the award, but I do think he has a chance. Taking voters out of the equation and speaking purely in terms of who is the best pitcher in the AL this year, Felix IMO has a very strong case.

    This CY Young vote will be very interesting to see how it turns out.

  8. BIG AL August 29th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Angel – All’s good, I may have misread your intension.

  9. MG August 29th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    LGY August 29th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    MG,

    I see. I am extremely skeptical Felix will get the award, but I do think he has a chance. Taking voters out of the equation and speaking purely in terms of who is the best pitcher in the AL this year, Felix IMO has a very strong case.

    This CY Young vote will be very interesting to see how it turns out.
    —————————
    LGY, I think Felix should have won in 2009, he was jobbed by Greinke’s great start and all the publicity. He’s probably going to win the award more than once in his career, he is a great talent, particularly since he’s only 23.

  10. EA August 29th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Yesterday’s no-decision for Buchholz was huge… 1 less win for him. Unfortunately, his ERA went down a ton.

    He’s likely going to win the ERA title unless he collapses and have a respectable win total/WHIP.

    Unless the voters hold IP totals against him, he will get plenty of votes. Hope CC can win 22/23 and lower his ERA/WHIP little bit.

  11. Ken Phelps August 29th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Cy young up in the air…cc seems easiest choice,,… Felix needs to get to 15 wins…bucholz needs more innings he is only at 145ish…. No mentioned David price though???

  12. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Looking at some of these posts today….

    We aren’t honestly debating that Clay Buchholz is either the frontrunner or is going to win the Cy Young Award are we?

    Here’s what all of us have to realize…..

    Betsy holds EVERY Yankee player to a standard impossible for anyone to meet.

    She practically adopted Phil Hughes. A few bad starts, she was off the bandwagon.

    Now, he will never reach his potential and can’t be trusted.

    She also holds EVERY Red Sox player in such esteem, the players parents can’t even match it.

    Clay Buchholz being the latest example.

    I used to think she honestly was looking to understand baseball better and this was just harmless stuff.

    I now realize it’s just an attention getter and nothing more.

    On this front, Mick is 100% correct. He was the one who picked up on this before anybody.

    As far as “agreeing to disagree”, if you are going to write an opinion on a blog, especially opinions that go in a 180 degree turnaround from previous opinions, it’s going to be debated. That’s just the way it goes on this blog.

    Clay Buchholz is having a very good year.

    He’s neither the frontrunner for the Cy Young Award, nor will win it for reasons numerous posters have pointed out.

    That’s not even the point.

    The point is this ridiculous standard of perfection held to Yankee players that isn’t held to other players and teams.

    It’s hard to understand why that is.

    Especially since, despite the ups and downs, the Yankees are still in first place.

  13. BIG AL August 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    If King Felix was pitching for one of the top 4 teams in the AL, he’d be even better than he is now. But, since he’s not, and chose to sign long term with a team that’s going no where, he’ll most likely realize his full potential, nor the rewards of winning a championship. That’s what happens when you think about just a short term future, and need that security up front.

  14. LGY August 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Has anyone ever won the award with as few as 180 innings?

  15. m August 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    CR9,

    I beat you to the “punch” in the last thread. And it is poasible to have both.

    I’m a big personal awards should go to contenders. But baseball has its own standards.

    As for the Cy Young 20 is the magic number.

    Cano probably won’t get much consideration because of the Yankees are loaded logic. So it comes down to Miggy v Hamilton, if Miggy’s numbers aren’t significantly better, Hamilton will get it because they’re going to the postseason.

  16. Tom in N.J. August 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Boom goes the dynamite….

  17. Yank1 August 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Can somebody please score 6 runs against Buchholz one of these day

    He has only allowed 4 earned runs or more only 3 times all season (and one of those games was his first off the DL).

    He has only allowed 8 HRs.. that probably contributes to why he doesn’t get rocked.

  18. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    I’m so glad you realize that, SJ……..You don’t know me, so how dare you try to psychoanalyze me. YOU can’t handle anyone having a different opinion than you – period, end of story. If YOU say Phil is a future ace, NO ONE else can say different.

  19. stuart a August 29th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    thank g-d cervelli is in there today. since he is a defensive wiz….

    jeez.

    sabathia should win the cy young. 18 wins, 2nd in innings pitched, very good ERA.. He is a monster stud. CC or King Felix that’s the AL cy young end of story.

    bucholt very good year, not enough innings pitched etc…….

  20. Tar August 29th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    m

    No problem and good luck today. Today Lohud goes Hawaiian! :D

  21. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    SJ, excuse me, you gutless coward. Angel wanted me to continue a discussion about what a poor poster I am and YOU agree that that is a discussion that should have been continued? Let’s discuss what an arrogant creep you are.

  22. ZMAN August 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    “Has anyone ever won the award with as few as 180 innings?”

    That’s a good point. I don’t know how they can justify giving it to him with such a low IP total. He’ll get some votes, but that alone should keep him from winning it.

  23. MG August 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Betsy, it’s impossible to discuss Phil Hughes with you, I gave up a couple of months ago. I enjoy watching him pitch and think he will be a solid starter for the Yankees for many years and will only get better. I’m not hung up on #’s, whether it be ERA or which spot in the rotation he is.

    You can believe whatever you want (and it changes drastically from day to day) it doesn’t matter to me one bit but you leave yourself wide open to criticism by the continual change in your opinion.

  24. Occasional Poster August 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Good grief. “Sux”? Really? How about Sox, Red Sox, Boston or RS? The same way I’d like my team to be referred to as the Yankees, New York, NYY, etc?

    So very juvenile and boring.

  25. m August 29th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Oh boy. This is really getting out of hand.

    To be fair, Buccholz is having a great year. Hopefully, more of those balls put into play will drop in fir base hits.

  26. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    MG, what does Phil have to do with this conversation? SJ has no right to pretend he knows who I am……….who exactly is SJ? Does he run this place?

    Forget Phil – we disagree, so what? SJ can’t handle that, the hypocrite. He talks all the time about this place or any blog being a place for disagreements and then he yells at me because I see Phil as a solid pitcher, nothing more. Holy cow – and he gets on me for being an attention getter? He? Who throws the fact that he “apparently” knows all these scouts? LOL I don’t think so.

  27. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    All great points Betsy,

    The bottom line is, the act has gotten OLD.

    From the tearing down of Hughes to the excessive praise of anything Boston Red Sox.

    The issue isn’t having a different opinion.

    The issue is, holding Yankee players to impossibly high standards and regardless of being shown how unrealistic that is, it never stops.

    For the record, its pretty tough to be a “gutless coward” when I’m addressing you DIRECTLY.

    Even patient posters, certainly more patient than I, like CB and Pat M have tried to explain this stuff to you and how unrealistic it is.

    Bottom line, I don’t care what you post here. You can post whatever opinion you desire.

    However, when you do, don’t get upset when folks disagree or grow frustated with all of the doom and gloom.

    It just gets OLD after awhile.

  28. JobaTipsHisCap August 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    the next question is, how effective will Andy be when he comes back.

  29. RSM August 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    “YOU can?t handle anyone having a different opinion than you ? period, end of story”

    Pot, meet Kettle :)

  30. Trevor August 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    # m August 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    CR9,

    I beat you to the “punch” in the last thread. And it is poasible to have both.

    I’m a big personal awards should go to contenders. But baseball has its own standards.

    As for the Cy Young 20 is the magic number.

    Cano probably won’t get much consideration because of the Yankees are loaded logic. So it comes down to Miggy v Hamilton, if Miggy’s numbers aren’t significantly better, Hamilton will get it because they’re going to the postseason.
    _____________________________________

    I think it’s going to be really close. Between Hamilton and Cano. Texas has a loaded lineup too. The argument with Cano you can make is that most of the Yankees are having off years and he’s stood out. I don’t see Cabrera winning it if the Tigers miss the playoffs.

  31. Melk Man August 29th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    mick is a very smart figure

    he can see things before other people

  32. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I called you a coward because (1) you have no right to pretend you know who I am and to try and psychoanalyze me and (2) you directed your post to everyone here and said that Mick was right, Mick – who has spent half his time on this board insulting me.

    I love Pat M – so I disagree with him about Phil, so what? He can’t be wrong? I’m not even saying he will, but to suggest I’ve just abandoned Phil after a few bad starts is wrong and it’s unfair. You guys are absolutely entitled to your opinion about Phil, but that doesn’t make you right. There are plenty of folks out there who are uncertain about his potential, for various reasons; does that make them attention hogs? Does it make them wrong?

  33. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    What, does Mick see dead people now?

  34. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    RSM, that’s ridiculous. I don’t yell and scream at people because they think Phil is some future stud…………….but I think he’s a number 3 or a mid-rotation guy and people freak out.. In a few years, people on this board will be calling Phil the worst out of all these young pitchers we have, lol.

  35. m August 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Sharapova’s amazing journey is on ABC now.

  36. MG August 29th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    For me, CC is the Cy Young award winner this year (assuming he continues to pitch well through the end of the season). Since June 1, he 14-2 in 17 starts, has averaged over 7 innings each time out with an ERA of 2.54 (unless I made a mistake adding up the innings and runs). You can’t pitch much better than that, period.

  37. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Your turning on Phil Hughes is a joke because it makes no logical sense. It really doesn’t.

    The guy has been the second best pitcher on this staff to date and has exceeded everyone’s expectations who understand how difficult it is to be a ML starting pitcher.

    Who are “uncertain” about his potential? Bloggers? Fans?

    Certainly not his peers or baseball people.

    His peers voted him to the AS Team and baseball people see nothing but a bright future for him

    Like I said, post whatever you want. However, when it gets challenged, deal with it just as we all do here.

  38. Angel August 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    What? I NEVER said you were a poor poster at all! :shock: You put those words in my mouth, I never said that at all.

  39. m August 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Why is Phil’s potential to be an ace so important?

    Besides, he exhibits the qualities if an ace, even if the numbers don’t. He’s a stopper. I believe he’s still undefeated after a Yankee loss. He doesn’t melt down. Gives his team a chance. Battles when he doesn’t have his ‘A’ stuff.

    He’s going to be very good.

  40. Crawdaddy August 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    “I called you a coward because (1) you have no right to pretend you know who I am and to try and psychoanalyze me and (2) you directed your post to everyone here and said that Mick was right, Mick – who has spent half his time on this board insulting me.”

    How is that being a coward?

  41. MG August 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Betsy, the 23 year old version of Phil Hughes is a mid-rotation starter, how can you possibly determine that he will not get better as he gets more experience when virtually every major league starter does exactly that as they learn how to pitch?

    Buchholz had a 4+ ERA last year and 6+ the prior year, would you have said last year that he could not be a much better pitcher this year?

  42. Angel August 29th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    I’m going out. I’ve had more than enough of this. JMJ!

  43. Stoneburner August 29th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Betsy wrote:

    “In a few years, people on this board will be calling Phil the worst out of all these young pitchers we have, lol.”

    It is half sarcastic/half earnest and short sighted predictions like this that make you look silly sometimes. Other times – it is your unrealistic expectations of Yankees players vs. your fascination and high praise of all that is Red Sox. Can you see why you are having problems on Yankees board now?

    How about you go to SOSH and debate by supposed super stud prospect Casey Kelly only pitched 95 innings this year w/ a 5ish ERA.

  44. BumKnee August 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    An update for all you Curtis The Bum Granderson lovers—Here’s the latest on the Kevin Long “fix”—The Bum is 4 for his last 25, and that is a resounding .160 Batting Average.
    So glad to see we have Curtis right where he needs to be for the stretch run. What a Bum. What a ridiculously poor trade.

  45. Yank 97 August 29th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    “It is half sarcastic/half earnest and short sighted predictions like this that make you look silly sometimes. Other times – it is your unrealistic expectations of Yankees players vs. your fascination and high praise of all that is Red Sox. Can you see why you are having problems on Yankees board now?

    How about you go to SOSH and debate by supposed super stud prospect Casey Kelly only pitched 95 innings this year w/ a 5ish ERA.”

    lmao

  46. rconn23 August 29th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Felix Hernandez is the best pitcher in the American League.

    The fact that he’s pitched behind an historically bad offense is the reason he won’t win the Cy Young award this year. No other reason.

    Measuring pitching wins as an inidicator of individual performance is folly.

  47. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    m

    Of course it’s possible to have both – and one thing has nothing to do with the other.

    I used to care about personal achievements, and want ASG MVPs for our players, but as time has passed, Ive realized that the only thing that matters is championships.

    And that every time I wanted personal achievements for the players, it bit me in the ass and the Yankees didnt win anything.

  48. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    SJ, turning on Phil ? Because I changed my mind – at least temporarily? I don’t care if people want to debate the topic – that’s fine. What I mind is being attacked for having a different opinion. Pat M has never once attacked me over this issue and that is why I have had conversations with him about it that didn’t devolve into this kind of argument. A few nights ago a bunch of us had a very good conversation – and then the next day you saw the posts and freaked out.

    You make it sound like I think Phil is going to be bad pitcher when that is not the case at all. Of course he has a bright future – I just think right now it’s not as some future top of the rotation starter. To say it’s a joke, well – that doesn’t invite conversation; it invites shouting matches like this.

  49. Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Time to place BumKnee on the DL…….

  50. Stoneburner August 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    post editing: “. . .problems on a Yankees board now?”

    AND

    “go to SOSH and debate why supposed. . .”

  51. RhapsodyInBlue August 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Let’s talk about Pedroia’s club foot.

  52. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Craw, if you don’t think it’s cowardly to pretend to know me personally, to try and psychoanalyze me and then tell everyone on this board that he thinks (in essence) I am a disturbed person -and that he agrees with some guy who’s spent half his time here attacking me – well, now we really agree to disagree.

  53. MG August 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Pat M. August 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Time to place BumKnee on the DL…….
    ——————————————
    except the cause of the DL trip isn’t the knee…

  54. BumKnee August 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Curtis the Bum is who he is. Regardless of my views, which happen to be spot on. Go ahead and love him, you dopes. Pat M–your brain is on the DL.

  55. Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Angel, you wanted me to continue a discussion about how I was defensive or how I have some different standards for Yankees/Sox players. When I tried to cut the conversation off (because really, what was there to discuss? I had no desire to talk about my personal posting habits), you said in essence that you didn’t understand why I just ended the conversation there.

  56. BJK August 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    All this ripping on each other is really detrimental, because it distracts us from focusing on the real problem we face as fans.

    Which is, of course, how and why is John Sterling still employed?

  57. BumKnee August 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    MG—your car was one of the least reliable in motoring history. Similar to your baseball insight.

  58. RhapsodyInBlue August 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Mr. Happy face is back.

  59. mick August 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Betsy August 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    I’m so glad you realize that, SJ……..You don’t know me, so how dare you try to psychoanalyze me.
    ==================================================
    “You don’t know me.”???!!!???
    You put yourself out here 24/7, people know you.
    Why don’t you look in the mirror and get to know yourself.
    People don’t know me, what a laugh.
    You are a real positive and just a joy to be around, I bet.

  60. CR9 August 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    “Does mick see dead people?”

    LOLOL! LMAO! That was toooo funny! :lol:

  61. BumKnee August 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    I want to hear more about how Kevin Long fixed Curtis Granderson. I want to hear about what a wonderful trade it was and how great of an addition he has been. I want people to lie.

  62. mick August 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    some guy who’s spent half his time here attacking me
    ====================================
    If that person is me, well, I think I have added plenty to this board and maybe 1/10 of 1% reacting to your incessant drivel.

    If you call that “attacking” then I call you “defensive.”

  63. rconn23 August 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    I’ curious to know the team that claimed Napoli. he’s be a perfect fir for the Yankees.

  64. mick August 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    3-2-1
    Watch Betsy disappear or should I say run and hide.

  65. mick August 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Betsy has left the building.

  66. mick August 29th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    That’s what I call a “Coward.”

  67. Stoneburner August 29th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    mick – if Bestey does disappear then that would be the definition of being a coward – a word that she does not completely comprehend i guess.

  68. Stoneburner August 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    meant Betsy not Bestey

  69. SJ44 August 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    That’s the whole point though…..

    What has Phil Hughes done this season to diminish himself? Answer: NOTHING.

    Instead of being happy his PEERS voted him to the ASG, something he deserved based on his first half performance, you are STILL saying he “didn’t deserve it”.

    Its one thing having a different POV. Nobody cares about that. Different POV’s are what makes blogs interesting.

    Its the illogical stuff that is ridiculous.

    Whether you like it or not, the way you have “changed your mind” on Phil Hughes based on his season to date is both ridiculous and illogical and I dare say, I’m not the only person who thinks so.

  70. Stoneburner August 29th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Now Betsy – is it fair to say Phil has had trouble putting away batters when ahead – yes I think that is fair – but he is still just 24 – it is his first full year starting in the majors – the fastball velo has returned entirely from his 2007 and 2008 injuries (it was probably back last year but no real way of knowing as he was pitching out of the pen most of last year) – he has more confidence – he pitches aggressively. These are all positive signs – to make a prediction that he will not be a future top flight starter is short sighted.

  71. RhapsodyInBlue August 29th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    BumKnee

    Why not go over to sawxheads or BDC to bond with your brethren in these dark times of turmoil.

  72. Occasional Poster August 29th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Not the only one, SJ44. Not at all.

    And the repetitive whining by certain Posters of Perpetual Grievance is ridiculous.

    One whine? I’ll give the poster a pass.

    But repeating a position or a grievance again and again and again? What a waste of pixels. And an irritating waste of time to try to scroll around. It’s a pathological need to attention that’s also a form of bullying.

  73. RhapsodyInBlue August 29th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Great grab by Drew last night btw.

  74. RhapsodyInBlue August 29th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Waste of pixels?

    Good Grief.

  75. BIG AL August 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    This is just not worth reading – Later.

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