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Yankees offense helps carry the day

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Facing an unlikely Cy Young contender, the Yankees offense went to work early and often tonight, beating the Athletics 11-5 to kick start a home stand that could provide an opportunity to finally break a tie atop the American League East. Trevor Cahill, second in the AL in ERA, allowed eight earned runs in four innings. Mark Teixeira and Robinson Cano each had three hits off him — including back-to-back home runs — and it was Marcus Thames who went deep off the A’s bullpen for his sixth home run in as many games.

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125 Responses to “Yankees offense helps carry the day”

  1. mick August 30th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Javy is back!

  2. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    I’m pretty encouraged by the offense, but tomorrow they may just go down quietly; it’s hard to know what to expect from them.

  3. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    The A’s can get a look at a real Cy Young contender on Thursday.

  4. CB August 30th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Oakland isn’t particularly good offensively but Vazquez was throwing significantly harder than his recent starts when he was getting pounded. And tonight he wasn’t getting under the ball nearly as often as the recently was.

    In his recent starts he was just “pushing” the ball up to the plate. That’s why both his velocity and location were terrible.

    Tonight he was better about staying on top. In turn his velocity and command were better.

    Tonight he looked like he did during that nice stretch he had around the all star break.

  5. Nick in SF August 30th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    You can probably expect them to continue to score the most runs in baseball and be at or close to the best record in baseball.

  6. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Doreen, not sure if you heard Vazquez’ post game interview, but he said the he and Eiland changed the arm angle.

  7. Yogi Mantle August 30th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    CB, could it be that Javy just had a mechanical issue? If so, why so long to “fix it”?

    He did look much better. It would be nice to have another reliable arm in the rotation.

  8. Doreen August 30th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    GB7 -

    Yes, I did hear that. Thanks. :)

  9. Pepitone August 30th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Nice come from behind win against a very tough pitcher. But, that Oakland lineup, sheesh.

    Oakland Athletics, how has such a once-proud, and winning, franchise fallen so low?

    It doesn’t even seem like they have a goal anymore; all they seem to be doing is just rotating players year after year.

  10. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Joe, Fenway and Wrigley are both beautiful ballparks, but I wouldn’t want them as my homeparks, lol

  11. Joe from Long Island August 30th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    GB – yeah, I heard that in the interview.

    Well, I’ve had a couple of rough nights over the weekend (no jokes, wiseguys), so I’m turning in. Early start tomorrow.

    Tomorrow’s another game. They play, they win – dassit.

    Good night, all.

  12. CB August 30th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    “ould it be that Javy just had a mechanical issue? If so, why so long to “fix it”?”

    That’s completely possible. He tends to drift a lot when he throws and it’s easy for his front side to rush to the plate leaving his arm behind. That’s why he winds up pushing the ball to the plate sometimes.

    Dead arm can do the same thing as that flaw in his mechanics. So it’s hard to know which it might be.

    Javy said he and Eiland were working on his arm angle and by that I think he was referring to making sure he was staying on top more.

    This has been his recurrent problem all year. From what the team said about his dead arm it seemed like that might be the reason why.

    But it could be purely mechanical as it was to begin the year.

    Hopefully it is mechanical and it’s ironed out. Because if that’s the case he can hopefully get back to what he was doing for that stretch of time when he was the teams second best starter after Andy first went down.

  13. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Of all the people to make an error that cost Toronto a win was Aaron hill’s two out error just before Pena’s 3 run homer. Hill’s one of the best defensive 2nd basemen in baseball.

  14. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Joe, it would be great if Eiland could fix what ails Burnett as easily.

  15. Carl August 30th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    lol @ Tino. Great Seaker!

  16. Eroc August 30th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Please no more Tino

  17. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    I’d like to see both teams play well down the stretch because I think good baseball is good for the game. It’s obviously not a real pennant race, which stinks – but such is the consequences of having the WC. That said, while both teams can win on the road, HFA still means something.

  18. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Doreen, win, lose or draw, Vazquez doesn’t back off on his bad games. He’s a lot more upfront with his ownevaluations than a lot of pitchers. A lot like Pettitte and hughes is picking up on that. Love unsatisfied players.

  19. CB August 30th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    “It doesn’t even seem like they have a goal anymore; all they seem to be doing is just rotating players year after year.”

    Pepi-

    They’ve really gotten locked into this perpetual process of rebuilding where everything is process and time horizon for success is a always at some vauge time in the “future.”

    Billy Beane gets a ton of credit for nearly every move he makes, much of which seems to be built on his past reputation. Beane signs Ben Sheets for 10M and it’s a great move because if the A’s don’t “win” of course he can trade Sheets at the deadline for blue chip prospects, etc.

    They don’t invest much in the draft.

    It seems like that franchise and owner have concluded they don’t have a real chance to win so they are satisfied making a profit thanks to revenue sharing and rearranging the deck chairs so maybe they can win at some point in the “future.”

  20. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    How frustrating to be an A’s fan – you can’t get attached to any young players because the moment they turn into something, they’re traded

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Congrats to any regulars who have the stomach to stick around with the playpen crowd, you know the ones who start to whimper if the Yankees don’t have a 10-0 lead after the first AB of the game?

    What a disgusting display of entitlement and an on-going lack of faith. I guess being tied for first place and co-leading the league in wins is just enough for these snot-nosed brats.

    And no I am not targetting anyone in particular because I left as soon as the wailing started. And I don’t have any desire to read the game posts, especially from those flip-floppers I figure got happy as soon as the daycare provider stuck pacifiers in their mouths, i.e, the Yankees took the lead.

    Woe be unto the Yankees if they lose the lead for a day. The snot-nosed brigade will lead the charge against them so quickly that it will make your head spin.

    I wish the days were back when we actually had the ability to have a calm and rational game thread. Actually, I’m not sure that ever happened. Even when the Yankees took the lead from jump street and kept it, there was always some whining freak who found something to complain about. Why didn’t he bunt? Wah wah wah

    Just sickening.

  22. Pepitone August 30th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    GB7 -

    Well said, I always thought Finley was a nut, but he cared about his team and produced a lot of winning baseball, especially in the early seventies.

    Who can forget the “fightin A’s” of the seventies? Reggie Jackson, Joe Rudi, Campy Campaneris, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Rollie Fingers, Sal Bando, always fighting in the clubhouse, but winners on the field.

    Then came the steriod “bash brothers” of the nineties.

    Seems like a million years ago now.

  23. Doreen August 30th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    GB7 -

    It’s one of the reasons I root hard for Javy to do well.

  24. Pepitone August 30th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    WHOOPS!

    Sorry about that CB. I wasn’t looking close and thought I saw a “GB7″ in there.

  25. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Javy is either taking AJ’s or Moseley’s spot in the rotation very soon.

  26. Pepitone August 30th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Woe be unto the Yankees if they lose the lead for a day. The snot-nosed brigade will lead the charge against them so quickly that it will make your head spin.
    —————————————
    I remember last year when the clarion call was made to trade Robinson Cano, remember?

    “He’s too lazy”

    “He hits into too many double plays”

    “They should trade him now while he still has some value”

    Man am I glad the idiots on this blog aren’t in positions of authority in Yankeedom.

  27. SAS August 30th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Trisha,

    There is a whole generation of people out there in their 20′s and 30′s who are part of the ‘entitled generation.’ It is nauseating in general, not just with baseball.

  28. UnKnown August 30th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    What is the name of the pitcher from the Dodgers that some said the Yankees should get off of waivers. Was it Kuroda who is pitching tonight for them.

  29. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Brett Marshal was outstanding tonight in Charleston. 7 innings, 5 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 5 strikeouts.

    Charleston won it on a 2 run, walkoff homer by heathcott in the 12th inning.

    Taylor Grote had tied the game at 1-1 with a 9th inning homer for Charleston.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Absolutely Pep. Their idiocy is almost criminal, that’s how outrageous the tears and fears have gotten.

  31. blake August 30th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Billy Beane and the A’s have developed the perfect formula for maintaining mediocrity.

  32. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Jorge on Javy: “The guy has been working his ass off.”

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    “Trisha,

    There is a whole generation of people out there in their 20’s and 30’s who are part of the ‘entitled generation.’ It is nauseating in general, not just with baseball”

    SAS, you’re right. Self entitled little twits.

    Can you imagine what this forum would be like if the Yankees had the AUDACITY to have a losing record? Actually it would probably be peaceful because the whining frontrunners would be long gone.

  34. LGY August 30th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    The line of good pitching just keeps moving for the rotation down in Trenton.

    Brackman, Banuelos, Betances, and tonight Warren.

    5.2 IP, 1 ER, 7 H, 0 BB, 7 Ks

  35. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    GB, thanks for the updated; Marshall is a guy I’m very interested in.

  36. Eroc August 30th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    That Matt Holliday trade was so mindless… that was a Kenny Williams type move, not Beane

    He traded 3 cost controlled players, including Carlos Gonzalez who is become a superstar, for 1 yr of Holliday.

    And Gonzalez was the key piece of the Haren deal (though it turned out to be Anderson).

    As could use a guy like Carlos Gonzalez.

  37. Pepitone August 30th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    By the way, GB7, I want to thank you for continuing to update us on the Yankee prospects, and what’s doin’ on the farms.

    After every game, or during sometimes, your updates encourage all of us. The Yankee farm system seems to be doing just fine.

    Thanks again.

  38. blake August 30th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Reds just moved 6 games ahead of the Cards in the central…I think a lot of people (myself included) have been waiting on the Cards to catch them and move ahead in that division but its getting late and it seems to be going the other way.

  39. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Some of these kids are going to be traded – unfortunately (for what, though).Some will, unfortunately for them, be converted to relievers…………that stinks.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    “Jorge on Javy: “The guy has been working his ass off.””

    Not good enough! Sorry! Don’t make me pull out the game thread from the last time that “lazy gutless coward” started a game. Don’t make me do it! The real fans here wanted his head on a platter because he’s just a gutless coward.

    That of course is moron-speak for a Yankee pitcher who is out there doing his best but having a lot of trouble.

  41. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    “Billy Beane and the A’s have developed the perfect formula for maintaining mediocrity.”

    In fairness, the A’s payroll is 27th in MLB, which makes mediocrity somewhat of an accomplishment.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....nt.27.html

    I would still like to see what Beane can do with $100+m.

  42. SJ44 August 30th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    You lose me when you trash Derek Jeter.

    Look, Derek is not having the year offensively we are used to seeing.

    However, he’s been solid defensively and he’s Derek Freaking Jeter.

    Guys like Jeter and Rivera get lifetime passes from me. They have earned them.

    When some idiot comes on here calling him a “nice” player all these years as if he’s Fred Stanley, he’s going to get crushed.

    It’s one thing to get frustrated. It’s another to talk gibberish about a guy who is Yankee Royalty.

    That ain’t gonna fly here.

  43. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    What about all those idiots who call him Captain DP? Those nicknames for Jeter are embarrassing…………..

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    And of course those to whom this pertains, or at least perhaps the majority, are under their blankees fast asleep. They don’t have anything to whine about so there’s no reason for them to be here.

    I’ll be sure to do a repost or two at the beginning of tomorrow’s game, before a pitch is thrown, not that it will make a whit of difference. I guess it will just make me feel better to call the little blitches out. And then leave so I don’t have to hear the bitter complaining if a Yankee players has the nerve to be less than perfect.

    Okay, that’s it. Ciao now.

  45. Tar August 30th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    “Guys like Jeter and Rivera get lifetime passes from me. They have earned them. ”

    Truer words were never spoken.

  46. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    “Guys like Jeter and Rivera get lifetime passes from me. They have earned them.”

    In terms of withholding ugly criticism, I agree. In terms of offering contracts that outstrip production, I don’t.

  47. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Rich, we’re not talking about contracts…………

  48. SAS August 30th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    CB,

    So glad Cincy is 6 games up. My second team as I spent lots of wonderful times there growing up with my grandparents.

    I also have a personal dislike of LaRussa.

  49. Pepitone August 30th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Guys like Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, and Jorge all get passes from me.

    These guys are the Mantle, Richardson, Ford, Howard, and Maris of our time. They are all destined for monuments.

    Matt said it was “blasphemy” to say that Jeter is losing it. Well, maybe it isn’t blasphemy, but it is arrogant and disrespectful. And that is his problem, he has no appreciation for the history, tradition, and nuances of baseball. He also doesn’t know what he’s talking about!

  50. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    But that said, I’m not about to let Jeter walk………….and Mo is not an issue either.

  51. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Captain DP – makes me sick that these spoiled twit fans can even think of Jeter that way. Every player is human and every player eventually gets old(er). If this is the start of Jeter’s decline (and I am not saying it is; I’m not going to judge him on 1 year), then that’s going to be tough to take………….but so be it. What a ride he’s taken us on.

  52. SJ44 August 30th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Here’s the reality rich you are going to have to embrace….

    The Yankees are going to Jeter and Rivera to basically any deal that makes sense for both sides and aren’t going to play hardball.

    It’s also not going to affect how they do business in the future.

    This is something they have known is coming up for years.

    They are going to re-sign both guys, they are going to get a ton of money, and life will go on.

    They aren’t embarrassing either guy with below market offers. Especially Jeter.

  53. blake August 30th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Betsy,

    well said.

  54. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Pepi, it’s my pleasure to do it. During the games, it makes it sort of tough tracking all 5 teams and the big kids. Sometimes it gets too much, but, i still enjoy it. Maybe next year, we can get a couple of people involved and split up tracking them. Nuch easier if they have the radio feeds, which are free.

    Marshall is a kid coming back and is really pitching well. He could be the best of the sleepers. smart kid, has the pitches and the intelligence to use them.

    4 pitches right now. 2 fastballs, slider and curve. still trying to refine his changeup. can hit 95-96 MPH. Still just 20 years old.

  55. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    I’d like to think that Jeter and Mo won’t hold the Yankees’s feet to the fire and squeeze every last penny out of them just because they know they have leverage…………..I really don’t forsee any contractual issues with them. Both have great relationships with the team and both will want to get something done. Jeter and Mo would retire rather than playing out the string of their contract as shells of their former selves.

  56. CB August 30th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    “Brett Marshal was outstanding tonight in Charleston. 7 innings, 5 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 5 strikeouts.”

    There’s been so much good news about the arm in the system that marshall has gotten a bit lost.

    He’s had about as good a season post TJ surgery as one could expect.

    What’s been particularly nice to see is that his control has been pretty good and that’s usually the last thing that comes back.

  57. jacksquat August 30th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Maybe Javy should start next time around instead of Mosely. The Jays woud be a good test for him.

  58. Doreen August 30th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    And SJ44 -

    there’s the difference with Matt and what makes him difficult to totally ignore.

    He is not frustrated. He is cool, calm and collected in his cutting criticism.

    The people who are just frustrated by a particular game, or play or player, pish, all of us have been there, and you can scroll past it. (Not talking about the chronic complainers here.)

  59. Tarheel In NYC August 30th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    I have to say that I absolutely adore Javy Vasquez, whether he’s winning or losing. It’s just so easy for me to root for him. I feel incredibly happy for him, personally and professionally, when he has a night like he had tonight. And he got the win!!

    He works hard, he tries to clean up his own messes, he doesn’t throw tantrums, and he never ever ever gives up. He remains gracious and quiet, even when “fans” are booing, calling him horrible names, and demanding his head on a platter.

    How can you not root for a guy like that?

  60. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Blake, thanks – I just find it disgraceful and I call them on it during game threads. When he retires, these same fools will be here proclaiming his greatness. You know what? They should just keep quiet before they let their hypocrisy slip. I’d be mortified if I were caught referring to Jeter in such a derogatory fashion……or Mo, or Jorge or Andy or any player. The arrogance of youth…………..sad

  61. SAS August 30th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    GB,

    If it weren’t for you and others on here, I would never have heard of Nova, Mosely, Nunez, etc

  62. pat August 30th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I’m not a believer in lifetime passes but I don’t feel the need to call them names either.

    Critiquing real time play should take nothing away from anything any player has done in the past but a great play in 1998 doesn’t erase a bad one in 2010 to me.

  63. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Doreen, I wish everyone would just ignore Matt, though – is it really that hard? Maybe he can have his own separate blog…………or maybe he could have his own show on WFAN (he should have tried out for that promotion where the winning fan gets a 1 year contract on the station). He could have an hour a day devoted to his lunatic rantings about the Yankees. I rant and rave, too, but this guy only conveniently shows up when they are losing. I wonder – I think he must hate the team.

  64. CB August 30th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    “That Matt Holliday trade was so mindless… that was a Kenny Williams type move, not Beane”

    It was. It’s been an utter disaster for them. To lose a player like Carlos Gonzalez for a rent a player is terrible.

    But I do have to disagree that it’s somehow aberrant for Beane. Granted that’s looking like one of the worst trades of the decade so it couldn’t be the standard for any GM at baseline.

    But the genesis of that deal seems to be a complete misevaluation of talent. I doubt Beane thought they could win but I’d guess his own internal evaluation of those players was that they weren’t that good and that he could flip Holliday for better prospects at the deadline.

    Beane hasn’t done a great job in Oakland for a long time. Take the Ben Sheets signing this season.

    And ultimately if Beane wanted to leave for a team with greater resources he could have. But he seems very content spinning the wheels in Oakland and living in the bay area with great job security regardless of the results he’s putting out on the field.

  65. SJ44 August 30th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    This is a big business.

    Derek Jeter pays for himself in many ways.

    The Yankees know it and Derek knows it.

    I think folks believe it’s going to be this difficult negotiation. I don’t.

    I think a deal will get done and life will go on.

    It makes too much sense for both sides. That’s why it will get done.

  66. Doreen August 30th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    I don’t know why it’s so difficult for people to understand that the contracts of Jeter and Mo are something that they have been planning on for a while. I kid about it, but the way I see it is there has been a Jeter “piggy bank” and a Mo “piggy bank.” The Yankees are prepared for this.

  67. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Tarheel, Javy’s a good guy – that’s why I feel for him and why I despise those who think he lacks heart. No, what he lacks is stuff. Now, even with good stuff, I’m not sure I trust him in a big spot – but not for lack of caring, of heart or anything else like that. Who can see what’s inside of someone and who has the right to judge? He was popular the first time around and he’s popular in the clubhouse this time – no surprise.

    Most of the Yankees are good about taking responsibility for their poor performances.

  68. SJ44 August 30th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Billy also has a piece of the team in Oakland.

    That makes it even tougher to leave.

    Especially if they ever get a stadium deal done.

    If they do, the value of the franchise would go up significantly.

  69. Erica in NY August 30th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    There is no way the Yankees are going to let the guy who is on pace to become the first Yankee with 3,000 hits next June walk

  70. pat August 30th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    “I think folks believe it?s going to be this difficult negotiation. I don?t.”

    Difficult to complete the deal, likely not.

    Difficult for some people to be happy with, no doubt.

  71. SAS August 30th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Jeter and Mo pay for themselves and always have. The is about Arod. I don’t imagine there will be problems signing them either.

  72. Doreen August 30th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Betsy -

    I’ve been trying – I work very hard to ignore Matt and the “conversations” he starts here. But then he goes and says something that I just can’t leave alone. Tonight it was the “Jeter is a ‘nice’ player” comment. How can you let that pass???!!!?? :lol:

    So, next game, I have to re-resolve to let it pass. Let it go. He’s like a recurring nightmare.

  73. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    I think Jeter and the Yanks will get it done and it won’t be a lingering thing either. I really don’t think the Yankees are going to give him some crazy deal – just what they think is fair. I expect Jeter to be fine with that.

  74. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    “Some of these kids are going to be traded – unfortunately (for what, though).Some will, unfortunately for them, be converted to relievers…………that stinks.”

    There isn’t a pitcher in the minor leagues who wouldn’t sign a contract right now offering him a major league career in exchange for being a reliever.

    Being of the fraction of players that succeeds in “The Show” is rare privilege which every single one of these guys respect.

    Having a ML career in a bullpen is not the disappointment you often characterize it to be.

    They all consider themselves VERY fortunate.

    Ask the guys whose opinions you respect more than mine (I say that genuinely and without rancor) if you need corroboration.

    I earnestly wish you could get past this idea of a ML bullpen being a sentence rather than realization of a lifelong dream.

  75. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Doreen, no – that you can’t let go……….I wouldn’t either (and I didn’t, though I wasn’t here for the height of the insanity). If he wants to make himself sound like a moron, that’s on him, though. I’d be embarrassed to say something like that.

  76. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Doreen, oink oink…………good points!

  77. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 August 30th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    I’m thinking i’ll be able to score some cheap legends seats for jeter’s 3000th hit next year. Why would anyone want to see that scrub hit his 3000th?? ;)

    Seriously, people hating on jeter makes me sick. Its one thing to criticize, but I’ve seen some NASTY comments written about him, such as “i cant stand derek jeter anymore”. Oh, thats nice. The guy who has been the face of the franchise is having one down year so now you cant stand him? Some yankee fans boggle my mind….

  78. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Here’s something else for the “contract had better ” whiners. If Posada his still productive, NYY may just bring him back for a victory lap in 2012 at what both consider reasonable, assuming Posada wants to return. That should get the snot flying around here.

  79. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Stuckey, obviously they’d do anything to get to the majors, but if they establish themselves, there’s no way (if they were good starters in the minors) that they’d be satisfied spending their whole careers in the pen. They’d want to to see how they could start on this level. I don’t agree with you in this case.

  80. blake August 30th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    The only theme of Matt’s posts is negativity. He’s the direct opposite of the so called “cheerleaders” he speaks of. He’s not objective, yet his ramblings are always done in the name of objectivity as if he has proclaimed it his job to point out all the flaws that everyone else is missing…..his posts are not only miserable but uninformed.

  81. SJ44 August 30th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Pat,

    No question. Whatever he signs for, some folks will complain and predict the demise of the franchise.

    In the end, it’s meaningless. Derek will be back next year.

  82. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Anyway, if they’re good as relievers, they’d end up as FA and leave for greener pastures……that is, they’d sign with teams that would give them a chance to start.

  83. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    SJ

    First, Rivera has earned the contract the old-fashioned way: Producing on the field in a contract year.

    Second, if they want to vastly overpay Jeter based on sentiment, that’s their business, but it would still be ridiculously ill-advised.

    Of course, it would affect their business in the future. If the payroll remains at or near $200m, and any player who makes a lot of money, be it Jeter or AJ or whomever, is vastly underperforming, they are not going to spend another $20m or $16m and bring the payroll to $220m in order to compensate for the misspent money.

    That’s something you have to embrace.

  84. CB August 30th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    “Billy also has a piece of the team in Oakland.

    That makes it even tougher to leave.

    Especially if they ever get a stadium deal done. ”

    That’s right. I forgot about that. The whole franchise is basically in neutral on the hopes that eventually some city will spring for a new stadium.

    Beane would make an absolute fortune were that to happen.

    And until it does revenue sharing will make them a tidy profit.

    It’s really an amazing industry. Guaranteed profits regardless of the quality of the product. And there’s essentially no competition from outside of the cartel.

    One of the best businesses you could possibly own.

    Same for most sports, NFL especially. The Glazers are losing money in everything except their sports franchises. The “hobby” is now the main source of their wealth.

  85. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    GB….I can see Posada hanging out for another season if he keeps hitting like he has in 2010….He’d be a great part time receiver and DH /PH……..No hitter going on at Chavez Ravine

  86. Tar August 30th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    I wouldn’t care if they sign over the whole freakin team to Derek and Mo.

    However, I would care very much if they low-balled either one.

    There are some things in life you just don’t skimp on.

  87. jackamir August 30th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    ” HOME SWEET HOME.” DEREK JETER IS A GOD. He will step it up in September. He is and will always be CLUTCH in my book.

  88. igotid88 August 30th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!

  89. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    I don’t find anything particularly wrong with being negative – I’m a pessimist, and that’s not going to change as it’s encoded in my DNA – and I don’t like the implication that if you worry, you’re less of a fan. That said, Matt isn’t just negative, he’s really ANGRY – he’s got issues.

  90. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    SAS August 30th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    GB,

    If it weren’t for you and others on here, I would never have heard of Nova, Mosely, Nunez, etc

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    SAS, you’re giving me way too much credit for bringing Nova, Mosely and Nunez to life on these boards. Their parents deserve a bit of that credit, too. The etc. kid is mine, though. I take full credit there.

    I thank you very much. I enjoy doing it. I’m no expert on this stuff, but, I know what I like when I see it. It gets harder to report much as the seasons go by and they move past the Charleston and Tampa teams. I follow them on the radio feeds and on MiLB-TV when they’re on. I don’t like offering any “scouting reports” on those that I don’t see. Not much for basing my opinions on somebody elses thought.

  91. kd August 30th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    sj and cb,

    as someone who’s lived in the bay area for a few years now, the love affair with bean is over. in 2001 to 2003, when they were good, you’d go to an a’s/yankees game in oakland and there would be a majority a’s fans there. now, the stadium is 70 to 80% yankees fans. it’s actually kinda sad.

    a’s fnas have essentially given up. and the state of the economy makes it pretty hard to get a stadium deal done. unless of course you’re the 49ers. tat deal really hurt the a’s. they lost a lot of credibility. all they can talk about now if economic disparity.

  92. jackamir August 30th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    He must have been abused as a child and never was loved. I feel sorry for him but he does add color. He like all of us has the right to voice his cloud of doom.

  93. Rich in NJ August 30th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    “I wouldn’t care if they sign over the whole freakin team to Derek and Mo.

    However, I would care very much if they low-balled either one.

    There are some things in life you just don’t skimp on.”

    Maybe I’m misreading your post, but what you seem to be saying is that some players are more important than the team.

    If so, I couldn’t disagree more.

  94. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    “but if they establish themselves, there’s no way (if they were good starters in the minors) that they’d be satisfied spending their whole careers in the pen.”

    Betsy, there is only a handful of guys in the minors that have perennial 30 starts a year, extended career type tags on them. For EVERYONE else a major league career is an uncertainly, a goal, not an expectation.

    I think that last point is something not registering all the way. Again, I can only go by what you post, but it often sounds like you think it’s punishment.

    Chad Gaudin was a accomplished minor league starter once. MOST accomplished minor league starters will ultimately fail, a rare few lucky ones makes crappy 7th man in the bullpen types.

    The players are more than aware of the math and it’s completely and utterly against them.

  95. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
    GB….I can see Posada hanging out for another season if he keeps hitting like he has in 2010….He’d be a great part time receiver and DH /PH……..No hitter going on at Chavez Ravine

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Pat, he’s got all of the money that he and his family will ever need, so if he falls off a cliff next year, he won’t come back. He hates being embarras sed and i don’t think his pride would let him return. Much like O’Neill.

  96. Erica in NY August 30th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Good night Yankee people!

  97. just_another_handle August 30th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    I sometimes post on Washington Post article blogs and there you can only post once every five minutes or so. They don’t let one person just continuously post just because they think they have something relevant to say every five seconds.

    Might be a useful tool here as well???

  98. Sweet Swinging Cano August 30th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Marcus Thames is on another planet right now!

  99. SAS August 30th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Rich in NJ,

    I think Tar meant that more like a figure of speech.

  100. stuart a August 30th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    why is it in bad taste to simply say Jeter is playing real bad. offensively he has been bad and very unclutch also.

  101. Yogi Mantle August 30th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jorge hang it up at the end of this contract. He might give managing/coaching a whirl, rather than getting out of Baseball altogether.

  102. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    How’s this as a compromise on Derek Jeter?

    I don’t think he deserves a black check in terms of compensation and years, but i DO think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt that even 36 year old players can have down years and to get next year to try to have a better one.

    I think fans take a little TOO much satisfaction in being cold-blooded “team” guys and a byproduct of that seems to be hyper-sensitivity to age.

    Seems like a guy turns 32 and some fans are just expecting decline. And math might be in their favor, I get that. But at some point it begins to come off to me as wish fullfillment rather an analysis. Like this is thesis they’re trying to prove.

  103. Tar August 30th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    ‘Maybe I’m misreading your post, but what you seem to be saying is that some players are more important than the team.”

    What I am saying is some players ARE the team. Derek and Mo are more important to me, than the Steinbrenner’s bottom line.

    “If the payroll remains at or near $200m, and any player who makes a lot of money, be it Jeter or AJ or whomever, is vastly under performing, they are not going to spend another $20m or $16m and bring the payroll to $220m in order to compensate for the misspent money.”

    Nor should they. throwing buckets of money at unproven free agents because you have a hole is unwise. It’s also the old way of doing business.

    Rewarding Derek and Mo will never be considered “misspent money” in my book. In fact I would consider It is a very wise business decision. Maybe you need to Quit worrying about the Yankees payroll so much.

  104. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Stuckey, are you saying that guys that profile as solid #3 or #4 types in the majors should just be happy to be relieving in the majors? I’m sorry, I don’t agree……………. I think they’d rather be starting if they have their druthers. I’m not talking about the Gaudins of the world……..

    No matter what Phil said last year about being in the pen (and I believe he enjoyed it and was thrilled just to be up here instead of in the minors), I always believed that he really wanted to start and that that’s where he felt his future lay. Are you saying that he’d be happy to be a career reliever?

  105. blake August 30th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    night everyone. Good win tonight after falling behind early and good to see Javy have another strong outing.

    The +169 run differential is the best the Yankees have had on August 30 since 2002 when it was also +169 on this date…..(+126 on this date last year).

  106. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Stuckey, now that I agree with (about Jeter and some fans taking pride in being “cold-blooded”). One year is not enough for me to suggest he’s in decline in any case.

  107. Giuseppe Franco August 30th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    I’ll never understand how fans of this team can be pessimistic. It just doesn’t make sense.

    This franchise has missed one postseason since 1995. No other franchise is even close.

    They have earned my patience and I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt for that reason.

    Too bad most fans don’t see it that way.

  108. Betsy August 30th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    night Blake!

  109. stuckey99 August 30th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    “why is it in bad taste to simply say Jeter is playing real bad. offensively he has been bad and very unclutch also.”

    Personally, I always have something of an issue with stating the incredibly obvious. I find it perplecing.

    There isn’t a non-coma Yankee fan alive not completely aware Jeter is not having a good year. There seems to be an element of reveling in it exists, almost an “I told you so” quality.

  110. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Kuroda has a thing going through 7 innings

  111. jacksquat August 30th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Hiroki Kuroda no-hitter though 7. Only 83 pitches.

  112. Pat M. August 30th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Vince Scully broadcasting a baseball game is like music to one’s ears…….2 & 2 to Harvey Kuehn……Well you get my drift….Chavez Ravine is where it’s at right now

  113. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    The Yankee image would suffer more by trying to stiff Jeter/Rivera and letting them walk than they ever will by resigning them. That image is all important to the Steinbrenners. They took a huge hit with Bernie Williams and suffered some on the Pettitte deal in 2004.

  114. Bronx Jeers August 30th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    I’m really getting old because I came home late, turned on the game and I thought I saw that they were losing 11-4.

    A nice surprise!

    Then again I may need to see an optometrist. :sad:

  115. BIG AL August 30th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    The way Thames is hitting, he deserves to be the full time DH, always ride the hot hand. Javy, IMO, has shown he deserves another shot at SP. I’d give AJ’s spot to Javy, and let AJ work out of the pen for 1 or 2 turns. This may give him time to work on some pitches he’s not having good control of.

  116. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    And kuroda gets his 1st hit of the year.

  117. GreenBeret7 August 30th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Roy Halladay might be the first pitcher ever to toss a perfect game and have a no-hitter pitched against him in the same season.

  118. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Why even bother discussing Jeter and Rivera’s contract. It really is so pointless; they both will be back with the Yankees next season 100% – barring some completely unforeseen retirement by Mo. You have to be stupid to think otherwise. Even a nutcase like me knows it.

    When someone says Jeter has been a “nice player,” why not just ignore it. It’s clearly meant to get under others’ skin. To even mention Derek Jeter in the same sentence as Nomar (who is that?) is clearly meant as an attention-getter and nothing more or less.

  119. G. Love August 31st, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Rich,

    I tend to agree with you about Jeter’s contract value being an issue. I just don’t see the Yankees taking the payroll to 225 million in the next few years.

    I think the stated goal is to bring it down so the next collective bargaining agreement is all about Yankee excess.

    Jeter is an iconic player. People come to see him play.

    That said, in terms of baseball payroll he’s nowhere near worth the rumored 20 million it will take.

    I think it would put a tremendous bullseye on his back as well. If he is in a steep decline and about to become a .260 hitter with limited power, a 20 million a year salary will become an albatross around his neck.

    Whatever the deal is, I hope Derek and the Yankees realize that he’s been compensated extremely well for his past accomplishments and it’s in the best interest of the team that his deal allows for a modicum of payroll flexibility.

    However, I think the fact that Arod makes what Arod makes will be the goal for Jeter per season and matching and/or surpassing Arod’s ridiculous dollars might be what is expected.

    God help the Yankees if that happens. Arod’s contract dollars are a mistake that should never be repeated.

  120. Tar August 31st, 2010 at 12:04 am

    “They took a huge hit with Bernie Williams and suffered some on the Pettitte deal in 2004.”

    Exactly GB. And they won’t do it again.

    Who believes Derek or Mo is going to be unreasonable. Or that they even will want to play after they lose it. knowing when to bow out is not an easy thing, but I faith both of those guys will do it with class and respect. just like the players they have been their whole careers.

    BTW I have wrote Derek and Mo, but you can include Jorge and Andy in everything I have said as well.

    Good night all.

  121. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 12:07 am

    “Stuckey, are you saying that guys that profile as solid #3 or #4 types in the majors should just be happy to be relieving in the majors?”

    Betsy, a vast majority of guys that profile as #1 to #5 types never make it to or in the major leagues.

    Every organization has dozen of arms that profile that way. Being one that goes onto a extended STARTING career in the majors is RARE.

    Remember the names Alan Horne, Jeffrey Marquez, Christian Garcia to name just a few off the top of my head..?

    Again, you make it sound like guys profiled as #3 or 4′s in the MINORS are expected to have prolonged ML careers.

    They’re NOT expected to have careers, if you actually know odds.

    So yes, I’m saying they should be happy just to be relieving in the majors, because they WILL be among the rare, lucky few.

    “I’m sorry, I don’t agree……………. I think they’d rather be starting if they have their druthers. I’m not talking about the Gaudins of the world……..”

    But we ARE talking about the Gaudins of the world. He had a 2.90 career ERA in the minors in 72 appearances, 53 of them starts and came up as a starter.

    He made 34 starts for OAKLAND in 2007 with a respectable 4.42 ERA.

    “I always believed that he really wanted to start and that that’s where he felt his future lay. Are you saying that he’d be happy to be a career reliever?”

    I don’t deny they given his druthers as you put it, guys like Hughes would prefer to start, but that isn’t the same as again, how you often characterize being in the bullpen.

  122. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Chapman to be called up Tuesday. Hopefully, he has different results than Strasburg – health-wise

  123. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 12:14 am

    I tend to agree with you about Jeter’s contract value being an issue. I just don’t see the Yankees taking the payroll to 225 million in the next few years.

    … in terms of baseball payroll he’s nowhere near worth the rumored 20 million it will take.

    However, I think the fact that Arod makes what Arod makes will be the goal for Jeter per season and matching and/or surpassing Arod’s ridiculous dollars might be what is expected.

    God help the Yankees if that happens. Arod’s contract dollars are a mistake that should never be repeated.”

    Let me try to understand this. You think there is a legitimate possibility the New York Yankees organization will sign Derek Jeter to a huge contract to the detriment of the greater payroll, thereby compromising their ability to complete in his last few years, thereby completely invalidating the reason to bring him back in the first place?

    Doesn’t pass the logic test to me. I don’t think the Yankees are going to knowingly choose setting up Jeter over pursuing championships, but if you’re concerned about his contract being bad for the Yankees that’s the argument you’re advancing.

    I just don’t see it and don’t get how anyone does.

  124. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Stuckey, I think you’re just nitpicking just to nitpick. First of all, I do not think being in the pen is a punishment, but I’m sorry – most pitchers would prefer to start if given the opportunity. If you don’t agree, then fine – let’s just agree to disagree. If these #3-#4 starters in the minors end up as career relievers, it means that they proved that they weren’t good enough to start……..but they presumably got the chance in the first place. Once they can’t make it as starters, they’ll do whatever they have to to stay in the big leagues.

    There is no reason on earth to make a pitcher with Phil’s talent a reliever. If the Yankees had chosen to do that, we’re supposed to think that’s a good thing and that Phil should be grateful? No, IMO, that’s a complete waste of material.

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