The LoHud Yankees Blog

A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News


Brian Cashman’s best offseason signing

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 31, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Athletics Yankees Baseball

In my mind, Andy Pettitte doesn’t factor into this discussion. There’s an obvious difference between the decision to bring back a familiar player and the decision to bring in a new player. Brian Cashman decided this offseason to bring in Nick Johnson, Randy Winn and Chan Ho Park. All three were more or less guaranteed big league jobs in spring training, and all three are well out of the mix down the stretch.

Instead, Cashman’s best signing has been Marcus Thames, one guy who had to settle for a minor league contract and fight for a job in spring training.

“I’m not going out trying to prove somebody wrong,” Thames said. “I just go out and be myself. I’ve known from years past what I’ve done… I haven’t hit for a high average like I am now, but I’ve had productive numbers off the bench. I take pride in it. Any time I’m in there, I’m ready to go.”

At this point, Thames is not a platoon player. He’s the Yankees everyday designated hitter, a job he’s earned since Alex Rodriguez and Lance Berkman went on the disabled list. “He’s one of those guys that really stepped up for us when Alex went down,” Mark Teixeira said. Now that Berkman is a day away, you have to wonder whether Joe Girardi will stick with the hot hand or give Berkman his job back.

“He’s been big for us, there’s no doubt about it,” Girardi said. “The key thing for us is getting people back healthy. That’s really important. I have some decisions to make, but the best thing would be for me to have to make some hard decisions.”

Associated Press photo

 
 

Advertisement

228 Responses to “Brian Cashman’s best offseason signing”

  1. NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2010 at 9:08 am

    The Yankees had to have some familiarity with Thames when he was a Yankee back in 02′. Of course, it was a small sample. Great signing though. Things are looking up as each day passes and the injured start to come back. Andy and Arod are the keys!

  2. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Good morning Doreen.

    “ignore |ig?nôr|
    verb [ trans. ]
    refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally”

    Is that the typical “don’t do as I do, do as I say”. :lol:

    I couldn’t resist.

  3. Robin August 31st, 2010 at 9:16 am

    And we say fair well to August.

    If we win tonight, we can end the month with a decent 16-13 record for a brutal time period, filled with ungodly heat, injuries, bad pitching mechanics, and 20 straight games without a day off.

  4. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Maine-

    Do they hand out money for stirring the pot ?

    If so, you’d be a millionaire. :)

  5. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:21 am

    MTU

    :lol: :lol:

    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  6. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Maine Yankee -

    Oh, don’t remind me.

    I was doing fine, just scrolling along as they say. And then that — person — writes that Derek Jeter has been a ‘nice’ player for the Yankees. Now, I ask you, how can any sane person IGNORE such a statement????

    Anyway, I resolve to find more resolve and follow my own advice from now on. :lol:

  7. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Maine-

    How’d I know you’d come up witht that.

    You’re just as bad as that cobra-grabbing, pizza-eating, beer-guzzlin’
    buddy of yours.;)

  8. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Doreen

    It was just role reversal.

    During the day I couldn’t resist and you did.

    Last night you couldn’t resist and I did. :lol:

    Although I was tempted to join in. I was just to tired.

  9. Nick in SF August 31st, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Sometimes you have to pick which inanities to ignore and which ones to mock.

    It’s a target-rich environment.

  10. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:27 am

    MTU

    Don’t compare me to that old grouch. :lol:

  11. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I am lovin me some Marcus Thames…just keep him off the field!!! DH only! Thames looked so happy when Kim interviewed him last night…how can you not like the guy.

    I know what you mean Doreen, you ignore as much as possible, then you get pushed over the line.

  12. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Nick-

    “It’s a target-rich environment.”

    Sounds very military Nick. :)

  13. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Nick

    At times it’s hard to make a choice.

  14. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:28 am

    pat, couldn’t help myself. I stayed away too much during the game and have a lot of “tough guy” stored up inside. Hope all is well your way.

    Blame this on Randy. If he’d show up more, I could rag on him and rid myself of my inner toughness

  15. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Hey…there’s an easy target. The moose killer.

  16. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:29 am

    And now, a dust mop collector chimes in.

  17. 108 stitches August 31st, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Marcus Thames could be this year’s Ruben Sierra.

  18. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:33 am

    GB7

    You’re right in full attack mode awfully early.

    You need to be carefull you don’t run out so you don’t have anything left for gametime.

  19. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Kate-

    Thames may not have the same level of bling, or the Mohawk but he’s still Mr. T. He’s makin’ suckers out of opposing pitchers.

    Maine-

    Don’t forget that “old grouch”, as you call him, has a memory like an elephant.

  20. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Carried over from last night, I’d still like to hear from those people expressing concern about Jeter’s next contract and how it might adversely affect the Yankees overall budget.

    I’d like an hear an answer to this simple, fair yes or no question:

    Do you believe the New York Yankee organization is going to knowingly compromise the team’s ability to compete for championships over the next 3-5 years in deference to Derek Jeter?

    Y/N?

  21. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:34 am

    MTU

    I should appoligize for starting the dustmop jabs.

    But I can’t!! :lol: :lol:

  22. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Maine-

    GB has unlimited ammo. He’s ex military. ;)

  23. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:36 am

    MTU

    He calls his memory a (rusty)steel trap.

  24. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Maine-

    Why apologize ?

    You should know what goes around comes around. :)

  25. JM August 31st, 2010 at 9:37 am

    No, the organization will not knowingly compromise the team’s ability to compete in deference to Jeter, and I don’t think Jeter would ever want the organization to do so.

    I have to say I think the whole Jeter contract thing is much ado about nothing.

  26. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 9:38 am

    stuckey99 -

    No.

    But when the numbers come out, people will think they know whether or not they have compromised themselves, when they can never know unless they have access to “the books.”

  27. pat August 31st, 2010 at 9:40 am

    GB

    All is fine my way despite it being the last week of summer vacation (yeah!)and I now have a new driver in the house who thinks my car is now his car.

    Having a hard time empathizing with Kate’s empty nest syndrome today. Packing everyone off to college sounds pretty good to me this morning. :wink:

  28. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 9:40 am

    sorry, I don’t know how to link, but there is a very funny article written by Mitch williams on mlb.com. Well, it wasn’t meant to be funny but here is part of it:

    “I believe Boston and Tampa Bay have better bullpens than the Yankees, so here’s my prediction for the AL East:

    The AL Wild Card will come out of this division, and I believe it will be the Red Sox, which means the Yankees or the Rays will be left out of the postseason. I think the Yankees will fall short, because they lack depth in the starting rotation. ”

    even the red sox fans are having trouble believing this one…dream on wild thing!

  29. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 9:41 am

    ha ha Pat, you say that now :)

  30. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:43 am

    kate

    Even his counterparts give him some funny looks about the statements he makes.

    He’s living up to his name off the field as well.

  31. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 9:45 am

    It would be cool if Thames started talking like Mr. T.

    Kim Jones: Marcus, how does it feel to be back with the Yankees?

    Thames: For 7 years Mr. T disappeared. Fools went unpitied and Jibba-Jabba went unchallenged!

  32. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:47 am

    GB-

    Jealousy coming out of every pore in your body because I was able to teach my pups how to fetch beer and pizza while all “killer” did was steal yours, and then spend the whole day laying around like a lazy dog, or something. :)

  33. Jason Voorhees August 31st, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Joe Carter is still lodged in Mitch Williams’ brain.

  34. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Nothing will or has been compromised because of Jeter, Rodriguez, Rivera or Posada because of contract signings. People need to get over that crap. Anything these guys get, they’ve earned, considering it’s baseball salaries. The Steinbrenners aren’t going to jeopardise anything.

    They could easily tie it all together with personal services contracts. It’s been done for years. Show up for special occas sions, wave their hats with the interlocking NY, smile and make the crowds smile. Beyond that, it’s nobody else’s business what the team chooses to pay them. It’s not coming out of your pocket. Prices have been set years ago for tickets, parking, beet, hotdogs and unlike Wal-Mart’s, they ain’t rolling back the prices.

  35. Patrick from CT August 31st, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Thames has been a good hitter off the bench and should see time at DH against all lefties and some righties. Just don’t play him in the OF.
    Berkman has stunk so far as a Yankee but they have a month to see if he can help at DH against righties and backup Tex. Personally I think Colin Curtis is a better option for a lefty bat and Swish the backup 1b.
    It will be interesting who will make the postseason roster, Berkman or another leftie hitter.

    The 2 guys that the Yankees really need back and healthy are Andy and Arod!

  36. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Sounds like Mitch thinks he’s on the other network.

  37. JS August 31st, 2010 at 9:52 am

    GB,

    Have you seen Brett Marshall at all? What are your thoughts on him?

    Scouting reports when he was drafted before TJS described him as a power pitcher, albeit with a smaller frame.

  38. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:52 am

    pat August 31st, 2010 at 9:40 am
    GB

    All is fine my way despite it being the last week of summer vacation (yeah!)and I now have a new driver in the house who thinks my car is now his car.

    Having a hard time empathizing with Kate’s empty nest syndrome today. Packing everyone off to college sounds pretty good to me this morning.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, but with the new driver, just think about all of the running around and doing your errends he can do…go to the store, wash the car. Of course, don’t send him for anything that you need immediately and never send him with anything but correct change. The most you lose is a tank of gas.

  39. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:53 am

    GB7

    Is “beet” something new they have at the concession stand now?

    Is it in juice form?

  40. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Stuckey
    put me down for a NO

  41. RayVT August 31st, 2010 at 9:54 am

    GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Amen GB!

  42. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:54 am

    MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:47 am
    GB-

    Jealousy coming out of every pore in your body because I was able to teach my pups how to fetch beer and pizza while all “killer” did was steal yours, and then spend the whole day laying around like a lazy dog, or something.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    at least “Killer” learned that from the best.

  43. Joe from Long Island August 31st, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Tom from NJ – that was a good one.

    Thames has to stay at DH until he shows otherwise. Sorry, Lance.

  44. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:56 am

    MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:53 am
    GB7

    Is “beet” something new they have at the concession stand now?

    Is it in juice form?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s code. Either that or a typo.

  45. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 9:56 am

    See you all later. Time to prepare the DM’s for combat. Their day begins with chasing crickets, moves on up to field mice, and ends in the grand finale where they teach cobra’s how stupid they are causing them to break their fangs while striking the ground, and coming up empty. :)

  46. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 31st, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Girardi wins the class clown award if he takes Thames out and puts in Berkman. Unfortunately that wouldn’t surprise me, as he has done some pretty stupid things like that before.

  47. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:02 am

    JS August 31st, 2010 at 9:52 am
    GB,

    Have you seen Brett Marshall at all? What are your thoughts on him?

    Scouting reports when he was drafted before TJS described him as a power pitcher, albeit with a smaller frame.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, so him before the surgery and again this year for a couple of starts. He’s still a power type pitcher. Eventually, he’ll be a strikeout/groundball pitcher. He’s only 20, so he’s not going to go beyond 6 foot 1 inch or so, but, hardly small frame. he’ll hit 200-205 pounds. He’s going to be good, either for NYYs or somebody else. He’s got time on his side.

  48. 108 stitches August 31st, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Thames is a streak hitter. Girardi needs to ride the wave until Thames cools down.

  49. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Stuckey,

    That’s what I don’t get.

    I really believe some fans think the Yankees literally woke up a week ago and said, “Hey, Derek Jeter is a free agent next year. What are we going to do”?

    As GB said, Jeter’s deal isn’t going to stop the way the Yankees do business.

    Nor will it keep them from being competitive.

    When its announced, we will have the usual handwring from the usual suspects.

    In the end, life will go on in Yankeeland.

    It truly is much ado about nothing.

    Doreen,

    Don’t feel bad about “chiming in” last night.

    I usually ignore most of matt’s childish ramblings in the game thread.

    Mainly because they only come when the Yankees are losing and he is of the mistaken belief the Yankees have to score in every inning to possess a good offense.

    The trashing of Jeter became enough for me. Especially when its not fact based.

    Derek is having a bad year, for him, with the bat. No question about it.

    This is coming off a year in which he had one of his best years offensively. That tells me he’s not “done” because you don’t lose it that fast.

    That said, I would neither kick him to the curb nor embarrass him because that’s NOT how you handle the situation. He, nor the team doesn’t deserve it.

    You keep grinding and you keep finding a way to get him going.

    That’s all you can do.

  50. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Yeah, ****saw**** him before the surgery and again this year for a couple of starts.

  51. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to rob Peter to pay Jeter, so to speak.

  52. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:15 am

    as far as Jeter’s off year goes, it makes you wonder if he has been playing with a broken bone or something in his hand. Nobody would ever know because he won’t talk. Every so often he’ll hammer a pitch like he did the other night, but, then he has a couple of weak grounders. I can’t believe that it’s just age and not a hidden injury. It would have to be a clubhouse “snitch” to find out. Much like Rivera’s shoulder injury a couple of years ago when nobody knew about it until Cashman let the cat out of the bag after Rivera asked Girardi to keep it a secret.

  53. blake August 31st, 2010 at 10:20 am

    but SJ…he only made the jump throw because he’s lost so much range and arm strength that that was the only way ;) . I usually ignore Matts nonsense as well but it just too much last night.

    Was really good to get the first game in the series last night and to swing the bats the way they did.

  54. ron August 31st, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Sj44:

    You do not ignore matt,ever.

    As soon as i saw matt start ranting i knew you were less than a minute away & right on cue,there you were.

  55. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Matt did prove that he does post when the Yankees are winning.

    So there’s that. :sad:

  56. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 10:23 am

    oh I love the jump throw…Jeet has made 2 in the last week…last night’s even made it on espn’s top 10

  57. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 10:24 am

    GB,

    It just seems to me that he has never gotten his swing right this year.

    It could be an injury since this is the longest I’ve ever seen him go being unable to get any consistency with his swing.

    I don’t think its just age.

  58. blake August 31st, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I’ve never seen Jeter out in front in pitches for this long before. Its what he’s always done when he’s struggled but he’s always corrected it quicker than he has this year. He had some good swings night before last where he let the ball travel and went hard to RF with it but they were right at people. He’s just not been able to so that consistently this year but its too early to know if its because of decline, injury, or just a prolonged slump….I’d still take my chances with him no problem down the stretch.

  59. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Blake, it can only be a good sign that they finally too a series opener. It’s been a while. They’ve won a lot of series after losing the openers. Tough way to do business. Strange how they are usually able to cuff around the best pitchers but have issues with the lesser lights of pitching.

  60. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Remember when Jeyer got a day off vs the Jays?

    Girardi hinted that Jeter had some sort of unidentified leg injury….

  61. JoeyA August 31st, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Here is the part I don’t understand…

    And maybe SJ can enighten me…

    If the Yankees give Jeter money he doesn’t deserve but earned bc of previous play, that’s fine. It will probably be for $15M+ for 3-4 years. Obviously, a 36 yr old SS doesn’t deserve that, but this isn’t a usual case.

    This isn’t my money and I’ll continue to go to games despite tickets prices, and so on…

    And you say a contract like that won’t inhibit the Yankees from doing their business.
    You don’t believe having that contract + Alex’s is a factor in not upgrading other positions, particularly LF.

    Please don’t offer up the “we have GGBG who costs a TON less and puts up comparable numbers” because he’s having an excellent year but we don’t know how long he can continue to perform at this level.

    And the last thing we need is an underperforming Brett Gardner halfway thru next season, causing us to find trade opportunities for a LFer.

    All I’m saying is, in one sentence you can’t say, “Alex’s contract plus what we give Jeter will not prevent the Yankees from doing business” and the next say, “We aren’t going to give out another $100M contract for Crawford (which i don’t think he’ll get anyway, but that’s a discussion for a different time)”

    Obviously the money either already invested or going to be invested affects how business is done moving forward, or what would be the difference having another large contract on the books for a young, athletic, speedy LFer with pop?

    I guess what I’m trying to say is, if Jeter were to agree to say a 3 yr/$39M contract vs. a 4yr/$64M contract, that would give us much flexibility, in both years and dollars, to upgrade other positions.

    Let’s be serious for a second: The Yankees made this guy the highest paid SS in baseball for his entire contract, and deservedly so. He has been huge for the Yankees, which is why we paid him HUGE money. That money was paid to him for the performance of the contract.

    Why does his next contract have to continue to pay him for past performance, and not for future, more realistic performance?

  62. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Oops.. Jeter.

    I’ll now go and sit in the corner…

  63. pat August 31st, 2010 at 10:28 am

    GB

    I’m thinking Jeter has a leg problem. Girardi said he had knee soreness the other day and Jeter wanted no part of the discussion.

    On the YES postgame the next day, Swisher was being interviewed and you could see Jeter walking less than gracefully to his locker in the background.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2010 at 10:29 am

    I’ve recommended that lohud try to come up with two game threads, one for those who cannot help but be negative, worried, or feel the need to be critical about every play in the game, and also for those who worriedly announce the score of the Rays games and I’m sure will continue to do so every flippin game. Maybe these people cannot help themselves, and they could have a thread to themselves. Then there could be a game thread for the rest of us.

    Obviously lohud could do it; all they would have to do is set up two game threads. I don’t know how they would differentiate one from the other though, and I’m sure they wouldn’t want to offend in the titles of the threads…

    I think there is something dramatically wrong however when rational regulars decide to leave the game thread on a regular basis. And don’t suggest scrolling past the posts. As some of you well know, the debbie downers are there in droves. As soon as the Yankees lose the lead, you have to take out your fine tooth comb to find the normal posts!

  65. blake August 31st, 2010 at 10:30 am

    GB,
    I know. They had dropped at least 3 openers in a row before last night. Its one of those weird baseball things the way they have handled good pitchers this year and struggled with the back end guys. That actually bodes well for the post season if you an optimist.

  66. ron August 31st, 2010 at 10:30 am

    With jeter you just don’t know,only in time will we know if he is regressing because of age.
    His next birthday he will be 37 & has been playing for a long time.

    You just can’t keep going out there putting up great numbers as you age,eventually you just can’t do it anymore.

    I hope everybody enjoyed the ride like i did because with jeter,mo,posada,pettitte it was a nice ride.

  67. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 August 31st, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I never understood how people can criticize the jump throw by saying it shows a lack of range. 1) who cares how he makes the play as long as it gets done? and 2) for lack of a better phrase, “its really freaking cool” and many shortstops try to emulate that play now.

  68. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:22 am
    Matt did prove that he does post when the Yankees are winning.

    So there’s that.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s more like he showed up in the first inning when Oakland scored 3 and when NYYs answered, he couldn’t get through the crowd to get out of the door and was stuck here. He figured that he may as well make the worst of the situation during the comeback and just whine to stay in practice. You’d think that he’d have whining down to a fine art by now. Can you imagine what he must have been like to listen to that scratchy little voice when he was growing up? he’s the perfect example of why some animals eat their young.

  69. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 10:31 am

    SJ44 -

    I don’t so much feel bad as disappointed in myself for giving in. And once you make the first return, volley on. :?

    I also think Jeter has an undisclosed injury that is not bad enough to sit him, but is certainly affecting his ability hit. This may be the worst one, but I remember a couple of years ago he was having a really tough year as well and it wasn’t until after the season we found out he was playing through a hand or wrist injury – not bad enough to force him to sit, but bad enough to make him look like he was going downhill.

    I do have to admit that I sometimes waver on how I feel about Derek’s playing through stuff. Perhaps sitting 2-3 days would be better overall. But it’s pointless to think like that because Derek doesn’t do that.

  70. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2010 at 10:33 am

    JoeyA – if there was a LFer worth $100 million that would be a free agent this off season, it wouldnt matter if we paid Derek Jeter 1 billion dollars.. we’d still sign the LFer.

    It all comes down to value.

  71. Crawdaddy August 31st, 2010 at 10:34 am

    “Let?s be serious for a second: The Yankees made this guy the highest paid SS in baseball for his entire contract, and deservedly so. He has been huge for the Yankees, which is why we paid him HUGE money. That money was paid to him for the performance of the contract.

    Why does his next contract have to continue to pay him for past performance, and not for future, more realistic performance?”

    Nobody is sticking a gun to the Yankees head and making them overpay Jeter, if they decide to do so.

  72. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 August 31st, 2010 at 10:35 am

    I think Jeter’s going to sit a few games once alex is back. Hard to play nunez and pena at the same time….

  73. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 10:35 am

    GB7 -

    Aha! I knew there was a catch to Matt being there last night. Thanks for the enlightenment – makes sense now!

  74. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:36 am

    pat August 31st, 2010 at 10:28 am
    GB

    I’m thinking Jeter has a leg problem. Girardi said he had knee soreness the other day and Jeter wanted no part of the discussion.

    On the YES postgame the next day, Swisher was being interviewed and you could see Jeter walking less than gracefully to his locker in the background.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’ve had satellite issues for the last few days and haven’t seen the pre and post games, so didn’t know about the leg issues. I can’t imagine him sitting out for a few games, and, I’m sure that he’d be a pain in Girardi’s rear if he did. He just doesn’t seem like he’d be a “sit there quietly and enjoy the game” type.

  75. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Perhaps the Yankees would rather invest short term (3-4 years) in Jeter than commit 100 million dollars long term to LF.

    Especially since the production they are getting from Gardner, a young, cost controlled player, hasn’t hurt them.

    They don’t need all stars at every position to be a winning team.

    If Jeter’s contract impacted getting Cliff Lee, their #1 off-season target, that’s a different story. It won’t.

    They also aren’t going to give Jeter a 40% paycut off a bad year with the bat.

    He’s going to get his money, deservedly so, and life will go on.

    Will he be “overpaid”? In a baseball sense yes and in a business sense no.

    He is the face of the franchise. He has made the franchise a TON of money and continues to do so.

    You don’t destroy all that off one bad season with the bat.

    Like all negotiations, you work out a deal that works for both sides.

    I believe that will be the case here.

  76. RayVT August 31st, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Hello Trish & Doreen!

    Jeter will be okay! He does appear to be hurting, but he has always played thru things.

    For all those Jeter downers, I have this silly little question. Who is going to take Jeter’s place if he doesn’t play or come back next year? Even in a down year for Jeter he is still performing better than ? the other SS if not more.

  77. blake August 31st, 2010 at 10:38 am

    The jump throw is a thing of beauty. Almost like dance steps the way he times everything out….the result of many repetitions in practice.

  78. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 10:35 am
    GB7 -

    Aha! I knew there was a catch to Matt being there last night. Thanks for the enlightenment – makes sense now!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, I have a real life experience with this type. I have a cousin just like him. The bum is 58 years old and hasn’t changed in those 58 years.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “The key thing for us is getting people back healthy. That’s really important”. Uh-oh Joe say it ain’t so. Let’s hope that the decision to keep starting Thames at DH when Berkman returns is not one of those convoluted Joe Girardi head scratchers that results in a platoon, righty-lefty, black book lineup of a mess. IMO, when someone is as locked in as Thames, you go with him until he hands you a couple of back to back 0-4′s. Baseball is a game of streaks and when you are hot you should play.

    He’s laying off the curve ball out of the zone, challenging pitchers to throw sharp ones for strikes and sitting dead red on the fastball. Right handed pitcher or left – he’s so smoking hot right now it doesn’t matter. It’s not like Berkman could be reasonably expected to do any better.

  80. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:40 am

    GB, some people are never happy. I get that. What I don’t get, however, is how one poster can think he’s some sort of misunderstood Truth-Sayer and everybody else is out to ‘discredit’ him.

  81. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Tom-

    You’re an English professor.

    Surely you’ve heard of anti-heroes ? :)

  82. CountryClub August 31st, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Can’t we wait to worry about Jeter’s next contract in the off season?

  83. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2010 at 10:43 am

    I think I’m the only person on LoHud that actually enjoys Matt’s semi-suicidal-Yankee-fan ranting.

    Going through old game threads that he’s a part of is sorta like watching a Fellini movie…I might not understand it, but at least I’m entertained.

  84. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:43 am

    blake August 31st, 2010 at 10:38 am
    The jump throw is a thing of beauty. Almost like dance steps the way he times everything out….the result of many repetitions in practice.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    For all of those old geezers that populate this board, I’ll repeat what I said last night. Jeter is the best at making those jump passes since the days of HOFer Luis Aparicio in the 50s and 60s. Jeter might even be better.

  85. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 10:44 am

    The loudest song we heard from the Yank front office this past off-season was “budget restrictions”.

    If that was truly so, then how much the Yanks pay Jeter does make a difference. You can take the position that the Yanks’ have long budgeted for Jeter’s new contract, and I’m sure the Yanks have, but if there were actual budget restrictions in 2009, there are actual budget restrictions in 2010, and every dollar saved on Jeter’s new contract means an extra dollar to be used somewhere else.

    Who knows what Jeter’s off-year at the plate means (I think he’s had an off-year in the field too but that’s my personal opinion of course)? It could signal the start of a decline, given his age, or it could just be a random off-year and his age has nothing to do with it.

    But the Yanks would be mistaken not to consider it when handing Jeter a new contract. I’d love to see Jeter go on the Pettitte plan, pay him $20MM for a year and go year to year, but that’s probably not in the cards.

  86. ron August 31st, 2010 at 10:46 am

    With jeter getting 3000 hits next year it is going to be insane.

    Jeter brings a ton of money in .

    3 yrs/60 million is about right.Then he retires at 39 or takes a 1 yr contract.

  87. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Tom, if ever there was one guy that didn’t need somebody to discredit him, it’s Matt. He does a perfect job.

  88. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 10:46 am

    shame,

    I do too! lol

    There is a Fellini-like quality to the posts!

    Good call! lol

  89. blake August 31st, 2010 at 10:46 am

    GB,

    Ill have to take your word for it on that one ;)

  90. Chambliss August 31st, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Thames should be the everyday DH until he cools off. Right, left, underhand, two hands I don’t care how the pitches are being delivered, the guy is on fire right now. Watching him turn around a 97 MPH heater last night was really something. He is seeing the ball really well right now. He will cool off eventually, but until then he needs to play everyday.

  91. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 10:50 am

    No one knows how Jeter’s next contract will be structured. It really is fruitless to spend this much time wringing hands over it.

  92. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:50 am

    There were restrictions because the Yankees actually didn’t need much on the FA market and they fine tuned with a pair of trades. They saved money even with adding Granderson and Vazquez. For the Yankees, that’s restraint.

  93. RayVT August 31st, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Hello Tom! It is called paranoia! LOL! This is what is making our radio talk show hosts rich and our country weak! It sells and it seems like a lot of people have bought the lie! The bad part is they think it is the norm!

  94. pat August 31st, 2010 at 10:51 am

    GB

    Here’s the postgame video. Jeter comes into the background a little bit in. Normal Jeter bow legged gait or something else?

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....d=11338191

  95. 108 stitches August 31st, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Just let the Captain catch fire in the postseason and his regular season will be largely dismissed. The Steinbrenners are well aware of what is value brings in terms of business and public relations.
    Like Mariano, Jeter is a proud man and will not be interested in leaving the game with less than quality games. They won’t hang around past their time.

  96. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Shame -

    So Matt is like Brando ?

    And this one is called “Last Tango in LoHud”.

    A favorite for this year’s Oscar.

  97. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:52 am

    MTU, so true. Most antiheros, however, are sympathetic despite their rejection of virtue.

    I’m reminded of Edmund Spenser’s “Blatant Beast”

    “a thousand tongues of every kind and quality”, which “poured forth abuse, not caring where or when… speaking hateful things of good and bad alike, of high and low, not even sparing kings or kaisers, but either blotting them with infamy or biting them with baneful teeth.”

  98. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 10:50 am
    No one knows how Jeter’s next contract will be structured. It really is fruitless to spend this much time wringing hands over it.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    No but not a bad idea to wring a few necks every time somebody complains about payroll and individual salaries.

  99. RayVT August 31st, 2010 at 10:54 am

    GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Aparicio was smooth, but I think Jeter is better.

  100. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 10:52 am
    MTU, so true. Most antiheros, however, are sympathetic despite their rejection of virtue

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    alright, now. This is a conversation worth pursuing. Who’s virtue are we going to trash? Make it juicy.

  101. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Ray, Aparicio was indeed smooth, or appeared to be because of his small size. Jeter looks like all legs and arm. Aparicio was on the hated White Sox, Orioles and Red sox, so I could only admire his talents secretly. Tough call on the jump pa ss.

  102. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 10:59 am

    GB-

    Well. We all have ours faults. In spite of that, I think you would have to admit that “Killer”, though good with children, is in fact morally bankrupt. :)

  103. JoeyA August 31st, 2010 at 11:00 am

    “Perhaps the Yankees would rather invest short term (3-4 years) in Jeter than commit 100 million dollars long term to LF.”

    See here is where I cannot help but get confused by this logic. Why do these two things have to be mutually exclusive? Giving Jeter 3-4 years shouldn’t mean not getting Crawford.

    The only reason why the Yankees wouldn’t do both is because of money, which is my point. If Jeter’s next contract is going to inhibit the team from making other moves they’d like to make, that’s where my issue with his contract arises.

    “Especially since the production they are getting from Gardner, a young, cost controlled player, hasn’t hurt them.”

    I can certainly see your point with this statement, and you may be right. My line of thinking has always been, you go with the sure thing, especially when you’re the Yankees and the goal is WS or bust.

    GGBG has been great, especially for his salary, no doubt about that. BUT, the last think this org. needs is to rely on him bc of one good year (let’s be honest, he’s not lighting the world on fire. Even with his high OBP, his ability to steal bases is still a work in progress) just to find themselves looking for a LFer a year or two down the road.

    With this whole conversation re: GGBG vs. Crawford, I’ll say this:

    If GGBG can continue to progress and build off this break-out year he’s having, that would be all the Yankees could want and more. But, to be realistic, he wasn’t highly touted prospect.

    And if a guy like Crawford wasn’t available, I’d be all for giving GGBG a shot to repeat what he’s done this year.

    But a talent like Crawford being available, much like Teixeira of 2 years ago, is hard to pass up, no matter how adequate and cheaper your current options are (like Swisher @ 1B prior to signing Tex).

    Please tell me if I’m teetering on the fence of trolling. I don’t mean to. Maybe it’s just my passion for the Yankees. But, i like to dicuss these issues and get insight from guys like SJ, since I live in Philly and these dillusional fans actually think their team is good. :)

  104. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I have to admit I was tempted to check out the game thread to see how many posters were ready to concede the game after the first inning…but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it.

  105. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:02 am

    “No but not a bad idea to wring a few necks every time somebody complains about payroll and individual salaries.”

    GB7, have you always had these issues or did they come with old age, sickness and general decrepitude?

  106. Bronx Jeers August 31st, 2010 at 11:04 am

    I’m still going to the games regardless of who’s penciled in at SS but Yankee Stadium is also very much a tourist destination. They’ve even started selling reduced priced tix in Times Square like the rest of the Broadway shows.

    And tourists aren’t going uptown to see Pena/Nunez play.

    And if you want to see Jeter hit his 3,000th on TV you’re probably going to have to watch it on YES.

    Tom Cruise/Harrison Ford didn’t make 20 mil$ a movie because they were these great thespians.

    The other day I was watching that sports-business show on YES and they had a panel of execs including Levine, Jerry Jones and others. They were talking about new stadiums and Randy Levine said something interesting regarding how the organization views the Yankee brand.

    He said that they view the organization as a sports/entertainment company that happens to revolve around the team.

    So Jeter is going to get paid.

  107. RayVT August 31st, 2010 at 11:05 am

    GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 10:58 am

    During the lean Yankee years I rooted for the O’s in the World Series in 66 against the Dodgers.

  108. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Tom-

    I guess it depends on the anti-hero.

  109. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I only have these feelings towards those that continue harping on asinine subjects like payrolls and individual salaries.

  110. RayVT August 31st, 2010 at 11:07 am

    & Aparicio played SS on that team!

  111. Macfan August 31st, 2010 at 11:07 am

    AT this poinnt of the season you go wiht the guys that are getting it done

    Berkman wasn’t impressing anyone before the DL and isn’t guaranteed anything on the Yankees. This isn’t the Astros where he built his career.

    You ride Thames bat for every last hit you can get. Its the W’s that count and he is helping the team.

  112. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 11:08 am

    “The loudest song we heard from the Yank front office this past off-season was “budget restrictions”.

    If that was truly so, then how much the Yanks pay Jeter does make a difference. ”

    Wave, do you believe the New York Yankee organization is going to knowingly compromise the team’s ability to compete for championships over the next 3-5 years in deference to Derek Jeter?

    Y/N?

  113. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Ray, I’ve always thought of the Dodgers as the Red Sox of the NL. Made to hate.

  114. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:10 am

    As long as the Yanks win, Yankee Stadium will be crowded.

    It doesn’t matter if Jeter is the shortstop or not.

    Now, the Yanks don’t have a replacement for Jeter, so they need him to win, but that’s a different issue.

    But when the hopefully far off day comes that Jeter is a net negative on the field and at bat, his presence alone is not going to put extra fannies in the seats.

  115. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:11 am

    stuckey99-

    I don’t, but I take it from some of the comments that some people do.

  116. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Thanks SJ, its really the only way to characterize the madness.

    MTU – I was thinking more along the lines of “La Dolce Jeter”

    And for the love of god and everything holy: THE NEW YORK YANKEES HAVE NO PAYROLL!!!! NO FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS!! NO SALARY LIMITS!! NONE!!!!!!!! WHO CARES HOW MUCH MORE MONEY THEY DECIDE TO PAY A MILLIONAIRE!?!?!?!?! WORRY ABOUT THE ROTATION AND GIVE IT A REST!!

  117. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:17 am

    People will always show up to see legends…people will always buy things about legends. Jeter is that legend.

  118. mick August 31st, 2010 at 11:18 am

    As long as you let Matt drive the bus, he will.
    If you answer , he will continue.
    Last night he left out of embarrassment, I believe.
    The fake Matt and the ridicule might have helped but ignoring him is the best solution.
    Taking him on is what he wants, I personally don’t have the energy.

  119. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:20 am

    “People will always show up to see legends…people will always buy things about legends. Jeter is that legend.”

    That would apply to the Yanks if they didn’t already sell out Yankee Stadium, or if the capacity of Yankee Stadium were unlimited.

    However, given the approximately 50,000 available seats, as long as the Yanks win they will fill it up. Jeter’s presence alone doesn’t make a difference. If Jeter’s not on the team and Jeter’s fans don’t show up, as long as the Yankees win other fans will show up instead.

  120. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 11:20 am

    “GGBG has been great, especially for his salary, no doubt about that. BUT, the last think this org. needs is to rely on him bc of one good year (let’s be honest, he’s not lighting the world on fire. Even with his high OBP, his ability to steal bases is still a work in progress) just to find themselves looking for a LFer a year or two down the road.”

    You say “one good year”, as if he previously had played many years in the majors, established a mean season statistically, and was having aberrant year.

    He has VERY limited time his first year in the majors. His next year, he got more (but limited time) and approved measurably. This year he was his first full year and he improved measurably and has had a VERY good year under any circumstances, and OFF-THE-CHARTS great year considering his salary.

    This is the career arc you want from EVERY major league player. Consistent improvement with more playing time.

    Some of you are letting the fact that he’s 26 and wasn’t a highly-touted in the minors convince you this all might be a mirage, ignoring the evidence in front of you.

    His defense isn’t going away, his speed isn’t going away significantly anytime soon and it would be highly unusual to see his plate discipline go away.

    There is NO reason to think this isn’t who Brett Gardner is, other than you’ve had a pre-conceived notion what his abilities are and are waiting for him to be what you expected.

    “But a talent like Crawford being available, much like Teixeira of 2 years ago, is hard to pass up, no matter how adequate and cheaper your current options are (like Swisher @ 1B prior to signing Tex).”

    Don’t think it’s hard at all. Crawford will be making a minimum of 20 TIMES what Crawford will be making next year.

    The math seems quite clear to me.

  121. champ809 August 31st, 2010 at 11:23 am

    What most on here need to wrap their heads around regarding Jeet’s next contract is that there is a “legacy” value to both his and Mo’s deal that is just as quantifiable as their on field performance aspect.

    At this point Jeter and the Yankees brand are homongenous and the Yanks can not allow Jeter to align his brand with another organization while he continues to play. That’s just a bad business decision all the way around.

    If you say break it up like this maybe it’s easier to understand the $’s;

    onfield performance 3yrs/15mil per = 45mil

    brand/marketing & business intangibles 5mil per = 15mil

    that gets you to $60 mil…..

    add in a the 4th yr overpay of another 20mil and we get to $80mil….

    if the Yanks put a value on Jeter chasing 3500-3600 hits clean and the marketing possibilities may get him another 10-15mil

  122. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 11:24 am

    I’m not itching for Crawford, and I’ve been generally pleased with Gardner’s season. However, there are aspects to his game – basic aspects – that need work. He needs to try and bunt more for base hits; he needs to be a little less passive on the bases; he needs to stop taking too many strikes.

  123. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 11:26 am

    What’s the Derek Jeter Yankeeography ALONE going to be worth????

    :)

  124. mick August 31st, 2010 at 11:27 am

    I like the fact that Gardy takes a lot of pitches.
    This is something the Yanks have gotten away from, led by Jeter and followed by Swisher.
    Nick Johnson would have done the same.

  125. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Jeter will continue making money for the Yankees long after he retires. Munson, Ruth, Gehrig Mantle still mke money for the team and Jeter, Rivera and even Rodriguez (as much as it pains the haters) will continue making the Yankees money.

  126. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Last night the guys in the booth mentioned how many full counts GGBG has had this year. Sometimes you wish he would swing the bat more, or sooner, but he does his part seeing pitches. He doesn’t seem to be bothered by having 2 strikes on him either.
    What has really surprised me has been GGBG’s outfield assists, I didn’t realize how good an arm he had.
    Now if he would just be less cautious in his steal attempts, I would be totally happy w/ him.

  127. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:30 am

    champ809-

    But you need to factor in lost opportunity cost as well. If the Yanks could (hypothetically) find a better player than Jeter for less money, then Jeter would (again hypothetically) actually be a negative in terms of making the playoffs, and you need to subtract that cost. Plus his presence on the team would mean the absence of another star at Jeter’s price, who would also be marketed by the Yanks, so it is only the difference between Jeter’s market value (as an active player) and that other star’s, which would be less, perhaps much less, than Jeter’s market value alone.

    So it is complicated.

  128. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2010 at 11:31 am

    ..but seriously guys.. he’s Derek f****** Jeter. And yes, I know that’s not his middle name, but I feel like some people need to have this pointed out to them. Because.. seriously.. he’s Derek f****** Jeter.

  129. Bronx Jeers August 31st, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Yanks sold more tickets during the “drought” of the early to mid 2000′s than they ever did during their dynasty years of the late 90′s.

    Go watch a YES Yankee Classic and you may see Tino hit a bomb into an empty upper deck in RF.

  130. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:34 am

    The Yanks aren’t going to get Crawford.

    Crawford is going to be chased hard by the Angels and Boston, he will get an enormous salary, and the Yanks will go after Lee first, with the result being that Crawford won’t be a Yank.

    Which is fine, because despite GGBG’s recent hitting woes he is going to be a very fine player at a very low cost.

  131. pat August 31st, 2010 at 11:35 am

    “That would apply to the Yanks if they didn?t already sell out Yankee Stadium, or if the capacity of Yankee Stadium were unlimited.”

    Yankee ticket revenues are not only made at Yankee Stadium. They partake in road ticket sales as well.

  132. Patrick from CT August 31st, 2010 at 11:36 am

    All this Jeter talk is BS. He is still one of the vary best at his position. Jeter may only hit .270 this year but he going to score over 100 runs without a problem. He’s doing just fine in the field too. Look for him to pick it up in the playoffs just like last year.
    He’s going to get paid 20mil for the next 3-4 years, count on it…

  133. Crawdaddy August 31st, 2010 at 11:36 am

    “Yanks sold more tickets during the ?drought? of the early to mid 2000?s than they ever did during their dynasty years of the late 90?s.”

    It was due to those dynasty years from 96-01 that they were able to sell more tickets during those years along with acquiring Arod.

  134. Crawdaddy August 31st, 2010 at 11:36 am

    “Yanks sold more tickets during the ?drought? of the early to mid 2000?s than they ever did during their dynasty years of the late 90?s.”

    It was due to those dynasty years from 96-01 that they were able to sell more tickets during those years along with acquiring Arod.

  135. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Kate, no issues with gardner taking a few pitches, but pitchers now know that he’s taking first and second pitches and throw batting practice pitches down the middle of the plate. He’d be more useful if he’d take a whack at a few and drive those pitches down the lines or in the gaps. It would make his timidity on the bases less noticable and unimportant. I’d rather have him drive in the runs than try to get a walk and let somebody else plate the runs. It would also end the opposition from getting 2 cheap strikes. He strikes out way too much for a singles hitter.

  136. mick August 31st, 2010 at 11:39 am

    The Yankees had a drought?
    I must have missed that memo.
    Didn’t they miss the playoffs one time during that drought?
    That is entitlement at it’s ugly best.
    Because they didn’t win the WS, there was a drought…

  137. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:42 am

    pat August 31st, 2010 at 11:35 am
    “That would apply to the Yanks if they didn?t already sell out Yankee Stadium, or if the capacity of Yankee Stadium were unlimited.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There are reasons why every team wants maximum amount of games with the Yankees. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, fans pay through the nose to come out to see them. They come to see the legends and cheer or boo respectfully. Teams meet a huge portion of their payrolls by playing them. Look at what they did in arizona and every NL park they play in.

  138. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:45 am

    GB7 and pat-

    I don’t disagree with what you are saying but as long as the Yanks have the winner’s aura, which is a direct result of winning, fans will come out to see them on the road.

    The little kid who wants to see Jeter will soon want to see Cano. Winning makes teams and the right players larger than life.

  139. Bronx Jeers August 31st, 2010 at 11:46 am

    mick,

    Did you happen to notice the word drought in quotation marks? Do you know what that implies?

  140. ron August 31st, 2010 at 11:46 am

    With crawford the value is simply not there when considering the stats,war,rbi,obp compared to gardner.

    I just don’t see the yankees adding lee & crawford & pitching is more important,signing both will hurt them more than keeping gardner in lf.

    When considering war,rbi,obp the value is just not there with crawford & i believe the yankees have already made up their mind on the issue.

    Gardner has 30 less rbi in 100 less ab,better obp.

  141. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:51 am

    It’s the adults that pay the freight and you see as many adults buying jerseys for themselves and wearing them as you do kids. adults love the legends more than anyone. Need proof of that? Look at the Hollywood awards “pre-game” shows and premieres. This is a celebrity-watch driven country.

  142. Yogi Mantle August 31st, 2010 at 11:52 am

    The way Jeter has been hitting this year reminds me of the problems he had for a good deal of the season a couple of years ago. That was when he took a pitch off his hand by Cabrera.

    I wouldn’t be shocked to learn he is playing injured.

  143. jacksquat August 31st, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Jeter is a franchise player and I think most people understand he’s worth $20mil/year or whatever from a business perspective.

    However, obviously the Yankees do have payroll limits or they would have just went out and spent $250 or $300 mil and just trounced the competition.

    And since they have a payroll limit, anyone overpaid is affecting the competitiveness of the overall team on the field.

    However, at least it is better to overpay a player like Jeter than anyone else.

  144. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Wave – while I understand your argument and agree that Yankee stadium will not turn into Citi Field just because Jeter retires/leave, you’re kinda ignoring a big aspect of Jeter’s value. To say, “oh well kids will come and root for Cano instead” shows how out of touch you are. Yes, all Yankee fans really want at the end of the day is a winner, but Jeter is a Yankee Icon. A baseball icon.

    When you say a guys name along with Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, and Yogi, and he’s a guy that’s STILL PLAYING – you keep him. I don’t care if you need to sell him NY Yankee stock – you keep him. I don’t care if he wants the letters “D” and “J” somehow inserted into our team logo – you keep him.

  145. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:54 am

    GB7-

    My point is that winning creates celebrity. If the Yanks don’t have Jeter, the celebrity will be transferred elsewhere on the Yanks.

    The adult who buys a Yank jersey with “2″ on the back isn’t going to wear a polo shirt if Jeter retires.

  146. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 11:56 am

    One sad day in the distant future, Jeter will not only have a plaque in Monument Park, but, a monument, too. That’s the power his type of player has.

  147. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Shame-

    I’m not out of touch at all. I love Jeter. I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1994 and I’m fully aware how fond Yankee fans are of Derek Jeter.

    However, I am perhaps a little older and more cynical than you. I have seen fans transfer their allegiance from one player to another many times when the time comes.

    And I’m not suggesting that the Yanks let Jeter go elsewhere the way they did with… BABE RUTH.

  148. Robin August 31st, 2010 at 11:59 am

    “Yanks sold more tickets during the ?drought? of the early to mid 2000?s than they ever did during their dynasty years of the late 90?s.”

    It was due to those dynasty years from 96-01 that they were able to sell more tickets during those years along with acquiring Arod.
    ———————————————————————————

    baseball has become increasingly popular. And Yankee games, in particular, have gone from simply being a game to an event. And like a Broadway show (The Lion King), people from out of town now come to Yankee Stadium to see what all the fuss is about.

  149. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 11:59 am

    “I’m not itching for Crawford, and I’ve been generally pleased with Gardner’s season. However, there are aspects to his game – basic aspects – that need work.”

    Of course there is.

    He’s had 770 ML ABs.

    Robinson Cano had 2800 coming into this year and he made improvements.

    Again, I think people concerns themselves (needlessly) over Gardner already being at his ceiling because he’s 26.

    The ENCOURAGING thing people should be latching onto is the fact his entire career has detailed a remarkably consistent pattern of improvement.

    There is no reason more Major League experience should not lead to more Major League improvement for Brett Gardner.

    And btw, to the general populace. He’s had a MUCH improved last half of August. Despite hitting .221 in July and now .247 in August, his OBP’s are .375 and .365, both of which are numbers most people would have been entirely pleased with for his career mark before this season started.

    Let me repeat. He hit .221 in July but got on base at a .375 clip. Apparently if you’re Brett Gardner, you CAN steal first base.

    If .365 is going to be his OBP floor, he’s is going to be a very, very valuable player for the Yanks.

  150. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    You can transfer allegiances to other players after a legend leaves…you can’t transfer the love of that player…Mantle, Berra, Munson…those players still sell and always will. Jeter…Rivera will be that type.

  151. David in Cal August 31st, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Jeter’s legendary status reduces the team’s flexibility. E.g., whether his mediocre hitting is due to age or to some unknown injury, he’s hurting the team right now by batting first or second in the lineup. He should be hitting 7th, 8th or 9th. But, that’s not an option, because of who he is.

    Now, assume Jeter signs a 3-year contract for big money, which seems probable. Somewhere in the period 2011 – 2013, Nunez or some other Yank is apt to be a better all-around SS. (maybe Nunez is already better.) But, it will be hard for the team to bench Jeter.

    Now suppose a great young SS becomes available as a free agent in 2012. It would be hard for the Yanks give him a huge contract when they still owe Jeter tens of millions.

    IMHO the Yanks will pay Jeter more than he’s worth as a player. I only wish they could sign him to a one-year contract.

  152. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    “If .365 is going to be his OBP floor, he’s is going to be a very, very valuable player for the Yanks.”

    Yes, but he has to become less reluctant to steal.

  153. Robin August 31st, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    ESPN is reporting the ARod returns to the line-up on Sunday.

  154. 108 stitches August 31st, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    On the subject of salaries, Manny Ramirez couldn’t care less if he gets booed or not in Boston later this week.
    All he knows is that John Henry will owe him deferred money every July 1st from 2011 through 2026 as part of his original contract signed in 2001. Funniest of all, John Henry wasn’t the Socks owner in 2001 but assumed all team debt when he bought the team.

    $31M deferred ($3M in 2001, $4M each 2002-08) (paid out in 16 annual installments of $1.94M, 2011-2026)

  155. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    There is no other team in any sport that markets it’s legends like the Yankees and no other team that has fans that remember. People buy jerseys of players they never saw play. No other team can match that magnitude.

  156. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I disagree about simply going on a spending bombardment. First of all, spending the money doesn’t guarantee there results at all. Second of all, there does come a point when the return on investment doesn’t justify cost. I also believe that the Yankees bottom-line number is not one that anyone else is privy to. They do have a budget. But it’s a working budget, not stagnant.

  157. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    David in Cal August 31st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    Jeter’s legendary status reduces the team’s flexibility. E.g., whether his mediocre hitting is due to age or to some unknown injury, he’s hurting the team right now by batting first or second in the lineup. He should be hitting 7th, 8th or 9th. But, that’s not an option, because of who he is.

    Now, assume Jeter signs a 3-year contract for big money, which seems probable. Somewhere in the period 2011 – 2013, Nunez or some other Yank is apt to be a better all-around SS. (maybe Nunez is already better.) But, it will be hard for the team to bench Jeter.

    Now suppose a great young SS becomes available as a free agent in 2012. It would be hard for the Yanks give him a huge contract when they still owe Jeter tens of millions.

    IMHO the Yanks will pay Jeter more than he’s worth as a player. I only wish they could sign him to a one-year contract.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If the Yankees find just such a player on the FA market they want, they’ll go after him.

    What about that is so hard for some to comprehend?

  158. Bronx Jeers August 31st, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    I can still recall hearing Rizzutto after Jeter made an over the shoulder catch running towards LF.

    “Boy this kid sure doesn’t play like a rookie” and ” I’ll tell you what, I never would have made that play”

  159. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    “If the Yankees find just such a player on the FA market they want, they’ll go after him.

    What about that is so hard for some to comprehend?”

    If Jeter is on a 4 year, $100MM contract when they do find that FA, why is it so hard to imagine they won’t go after him?

  160. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    What a terrible nightmare I had last night. The Celtics were up 3-2 in the NBA finals again and I had to relive the sickness and nervousness that I already once experienced when it actually happened.

  161. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Today’s Guess The Line Up is Now Open for Business

    I will accept lineups until an official lineup is posted.

    Today is the last GTLU of the regular season.

    Good luck.

    :)

    Winners will be announced this evening.

  162. pat August 31st, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Wave

    Watching the Little League WS last week it was interesting hearing kids from all over the US and the world stating who their favorite players were.

    Small sample size but based on the answers, Longoria, Cano and Mauer are developing a non-local fanbase but they aren’t there yet.

    Along those lines, the Astros need to develop or sign a “Marquee” player because too many 10-12 year olds in Houston say Biggio is their favorite player and he’s been retired for 3 years already. No transfer of affection happening there.

  163. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    JoeyA,

    Here is the way you have to look at it…..

    Carl Crawford is a better player than Brett Gardner right now. He may end up being a better player than Brett Gardner over the next 2-3 years.

    That said, he is not 30-40 times better than Brett Gardner.

    Which is how it will breakdown contractually over the next 2-3 years.

    Does Gardner have things to work on? Of course he does.

    What if I told you in 2008, Phil Hughes would have 15 wins on August 31, 2010, an all star berth and be one of the Yankees best starting pitchers? Given his winless, injury filled 2008 season, would you have believed it?

    What if I told you in 2008, Robinson Cano would be in the Top 3 for MVP in 2010 and be a dominant middle of the order hitter AND defensive player? This after Girardi benched him for dogging it. Would you believe it?

    My point is, you have to give young players with promise a chance to build and improve on their seasons.

    It worked with Hughes and Cano. Perhaps it will with Gardner.

    If it doesn’t, they would still have the flexibility to upgrade the position.

    Derek Jeter doesn’t hurt the Yankees…even in an off-season for him.

    If people want to move on from Jeter, you better have a ready made replacement in place and you can forget about fantasy Hanley Ramirez trades since they aren’t happening.

    Absent that, and seeing what the guy still gives you on and off the field, the logical thing to do is re-sign him. Which is what the Yankees will do.

  164. blake August 31st, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    When the discussion goes back to Jeter’s contract then you know the Yanks have won a couple in a row…I guess that’s a good thing.

  165. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Doreen, NYYs over the last few years have substituted on high salary for another at slightly less cost. They did it last year with Damon and Matsui. You’re right…they have pretty much a floating budget and that’s because they are now paying bullpenners and bench player bottom dollar for the most part because they are using a overflowing farm system. If they want a berkman, Wood or Kearns, Cashman has been able to con the other teams into paying part of the freight, and get that expendature back in playoff appearances.

    It must gall some teams to have to pay the Yankees to take their better players.

  166. Joe from Long Island August 31st, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Bronx Jeers, 11:04 –

    Absolutely. The Yankees, under George, was the first baseball franchise to realize that they were more than just a baseball team, they were an entertainment company, and a worldwide brand. That’s why George went for the big names, whether it’s Reggie Jackson, Alex Rodriguez, or Derek Jeter.

    And Derek Jeter is the Yankees, and vice versa. Every time you see Jeter selling Ford cars, you see, subliminally, the NY Yankees. And that makes itself felt thru purchases of Yankee tickets, Yankee merchandise, and YES programming.

  167. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    I don’t know how this fits in with the argument, but there are adults today who still buy Mickey Mantle’s #7 jersey. So, even after Jeter retires, people will be buying and wearing his shirts. And his Yankeeography. :)

  168. pat August 31st, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    “IMHO the Yanks will pay Jeter more than he’s worth as a player.”

    Jeter is being paid for what he contributes to the franchise as well as the team. The quicker people wrap their head around that, the easier it will be to accept whatever they pay him.

  169. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    “When the discussion goes back to Jeter’s contract then you know the Yanks have won a couple in a row…I guess that’s a good thing.”

    lol

    he’s going to make what he’s going to make, and it’s going to be a mutually agreed upon number – something that pays him for his entire time in pinstripes along with his future in pinstripes. same thing with mo. it really is so pointless to discuss it.

    why dont we all discuss how fair the HP umpire was to us last night – and as a result, how many runs we scored. And CB Bucknor was fair with a couple of check swings. CB! CB! CB!

  170. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    The Yankees build their payroll models out three years.

    With that, they have a list of FA’s that go out for the same timeframe.

    Obviously, nothing is set in stone.

    However, its the road map by which they make their decisions.

    Re-signing Derek Jeter is not going to keep the Yankees from being competitive.

    For those that believe differently, nothing will change their minds.

    The same thing was said when Arod signed his deal and that hasn’t affected the Yankees ability to field a championship quality team.

    Neither will the Jeter deal.

  171. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    pat-

    IMO if the Astros were winning the transfer of affection would be much easier to accomplish.

    Are you old enough to remember the way Yankee fans felt about Mattingly?

  172. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    i cant stand any yankees fan that buys a jersey with the name on the back.

    i just CANT STAND it. except for kids, kids like that sort of stuff. adults that buy jerseys with the name on it are …… …. ….. …….. sick!

  173. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    “If the Yankees find just such a player on the FA market they want, they’ll go after him.

    What about that is so hard for some to comprehend?”

    If Jeter is on a 4 year, $100MM contract when they do find that FA, why is it so hard to imagine they won’t go after him?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Because at the present time, the only shortstop that could give Jeter a run for the title of the best is Hanley Ramirez and Loria isn’t trading his adopted son.

  174. Erin August 31st, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    LF Gardner
    SS Jeter
    1B Teixeira
    2B Cano aka MVP
    DH Thames
    RF Swisher
    C Posada
    CF Granderson
    3B Pena

    Doreen-thank you for hosting GTLU this year!! :D

  175. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    “Re-signing Derek Jeter is not going to keep the Yankees from being competitive.”

    Nobody is arguing that point.

    The question is how much, for how long, to what extent will a long-term, high value Jeter deal keep the Yanks from replacing him when the time comes (and all agree that time has not yet arrived).

    No one is claiming they have an answer, we are just having a little fun speculating.

  176. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    “Because at the present time, the only shortstop that could give Jeter a run for the title of the best is Hanley Ramirez and Loria isn’t trading his adopted son.”

    But in two or three years, things may have changed a lot.

  177. 108 stitches August 31st, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    There is no other team in any sport that markets it’s legends like the Yankees and no other team that has fans that remember. People buy jerseys of players they never saw play. No other team can match that magnitude.
    ………………………………………………………………..

    Lou Gehrig died in 1941. Babe Ruth died in 1948. Mickey Mantle died in 1995. Their shirts are seen at Yankee Stadium and other venues and will continue to be seen. The same applies to Yogi and will apply to Jeter and Rivera as time moves along.

  178. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    At the beginning of the season many here said Gardner was a 4th OF.

    Then some said if he hit 260 and got on base that was enough.

    He’s done better than both of those statements.

    Now that he has improved on those things it’s not enough.

    He needs to do this or he needs to do that in order to be good enough.

    How many of you were a finished product in your profession at the stage he’s at?

    GB7

    When the Yankees beat the WS 2-1 I read people praising Thames for his HR and the pitchers for their game.

    The one thing noticably missing was any credit to Gardner for driving in the winning run.

    I agree he needs to be more agressive at times but no matter how good he does it’s never enough to some.

  179. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    SJ44 – For those that believe differently, nothing will change their minds.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    For those that understand this, no explaination is necessary.

    For those that don’t understand this, no explaination is possible.

  180. Rishi August 31st, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Bill (Lubbock, TX)

    Has Feliz solidified himself as the AL ROY?

    Rob Neyer (12:20 PM)

    Considering he’s going to set the rookie saves record, I think he’s the odds-on favorite. But there’s something to be said for Austin Jackson.

  181. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    “i cant stand any yankees fan that buys a jersey with the name on the back.”

    I can’t stand Yankees fans that advocate violence against fellow human beings.

  182. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Stuckey99

    I knew after I posted what I did about Gardner that it would probably come out sounding negative. I would be very satisfied if the Yankees kept Gardner next year. Acknowledging some needs improvement isn’t the same as bashing them and it isn’t the same as saying those improvements cannot be made.

  183. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    “I can’t stand Yankees fans that advocate violence against fellow human beings.”

    LOL! LMAO!

    What is a human being? I dont consider Bostonians human beings! :lol:

  184. blake August 31st, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Jeter is probably going to win another Gold glove this year and still has time to turn his season around and have a strong post season. Wherever you stand on his contract, the Yankees aren’t discussing it until the season is over and they have all information to evaluate the situation..shouldn’t we do the same? Its something to talk about I guess but as others have said, this isn’t something that the Yankees are just realizing and I’m sure they have planned accordingly for it.

  185. pat August 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Wave

    Unfortunately, I’m old enough to remember when they felt that way about Munson and Murcer. :wink:

  186. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    or referees/umpires, or league commissioners!!! :lol:

  187. BronxBorn August 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I realize that Jeter has been having an off year. I also realize he is Derek Freakin Jeter. And even in an off year he is one of the top shortstops in baseball. Would someone please tell me what is wrong with that? I don’t understand the Jeter disrespect at all. He is pursuing 3000 hits, something no Yankee has ever accomplished. Do you really think folks are not excited at the prospect and will buy even more jerseys, etc. Heck probably in jersey sales alone he will pay for himself. But that is not the point. Jeter leads this team, still plays headsup baseball – I find it really sad that this is not enough for some folks.

    I idolized Mickey Mantle for his skills, his determination and guts. I don’t idolize Jeter like that, but I respect the heck out of him. I guess I just do not understand.

    Sorry about venting like this.

  188. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    “Because at the present time, the only shortstop that could give Jeter a run for the title of the best is Hanley Ramirez and Loria isn’t trading his adopted son.”

    But in two or three years, things may have changed a lot.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    and in 2 more years, according to the Mayan calendar, it won’t matter anyway.

    I’ll worry about the present today. I’ll worry about tomorrow…next year.

  189. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    People are arguing that point. Read the posts. Some fans are concerned re-signing Jeter will limit the Yankees from signing other players.

    In terms of replacing him, that always seems to work itself out.

    If Derek Jeter can no longer play the SS position at a high level, something he is still doing, do you see him staying out there just for the sake of staying out there?

    A guy with the pride he has, and the way he has conducted himself, is unlikely to hold anybody hostage playing SS if he can no longer play at a high level.

    We have seen no evidence to date he would be that way and I don’t see the guy changing now.

    I think its more likely he has a bounceback season next year than it is him stubbornly hanging on past his ability to play SS effectively at the ML level.

  190. Yogi Mantle August 31st, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    # GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    You can transfer allegiances to other players after a legend leaves…you can’t transfer the love of that player…Mantle, Berra, Munson…those players still sell and always will. Jeter…Rivera will be that type.
    ____________

    I think my “name” will attest to that!

    Mantle will always be my favorite Yankee. Yogi is right up there.

    Jeter has a slew of fans who grew up watching him, and while he didn’t have the “sexy” numbers of HRs he has the rings and plays that made him into an icon for those fans. Rivera should end up having an award made up with his name on it like Cy Young has. He has been that dominate in the closer role. Far above what Hoffman has done, even though Hoffman has the saves total record.

  191. CR9 August 31st, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    The transfer deadline is in 30 minutes! 30 minutes!

  192. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    “At the beginning of the season many here said Gardner was a 4th OF.

    Then some said if he hit 260 and got on base that was enough.

    He’s done better than both of those statements.

    Now that he has improved on those things it’s not enough.

    He needs to do this or he needs to do that in order to be good enough.”

    Funny you should bring this up Maine. Before the season started I tried hard to get the skeptics to quantify what sort of statistical year Gardner would need to have in order to be regarded as a viable everyday player on this team.

    I don’t think ANYONE was willing to answer, because it isn’t about objective standards, it’s about a “feeling” they have. They don’t “trust” him.

    The goalposts will continue to move for him, partly because some people simply have their hearts set on Carl Crawford and nothing will convince them otherwise.

  193. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    GB7

    When the Yankees beat the WS 2-1 I read people praising Thames for his HR and the pitchers for their game.

    The one thing noticably missing was any credit to Gardner for driving in the winning run.

    I agree he needs to be more agressive at times but no matter how good he does it’s never enough to some.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He can be “infuriating” at times, but, overall, I’ve been impressed with everything about him this year, other than jumping back and forth between aggressive and passive and it’s always sudden. He never chages gradually. I’d like a little warning.

  194. Joe from Long Island August 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Is Carl Crawford a difference maker for the Yankees, along the same lines as Mark Teixeira has been? I don’t think so. Part of the deal with Tex was him not going to Boston, which severely hurt one of the Yanks’ main competitors, for now and the future. I don’t think Crawford is on the same level as Tex, so even if Crawford went to Boston, I don’t think it’s that big a deal.

    Having said that, I guess that Crawford goes to Anaheim. They really need to energize that lineup, as Scioscia witnessed first hand. I think Anaheim’s game is similar to Tampa’s, so it will be a good fit.

    I guess that Boston goes hard for Werth, instead. His being RH fits well with the Monster, and they might envision him in the same vein as Lowell and Bay. However, I don’t see Werth as a difference maker, either.

    Having said all that, I think Brett stays as the LF for the Yanks. His production was exceeded what they hoped for, and while he still needs to improve parts of his game, he’s still close enough, production wise, to Crawford for the Yanks’ needs.

  195. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    GB7-

    What you choose to worry about is of course your prerogative.

    Hopefully the Yanks don’t adopt your attitude.

    I do think that no one, Yanks included, expected Jeter to have the year he is having, so speculating on how it may change the Yanks’ approach to the next Jeter contract seems like a perfectly fair subject of conversation.

    If you don’t want to participate, I won’t be upset. Stuckey99 wanted to talk about Gardner, perhaps that’s more to your taste.

    Or you could start a new and interesting topic. You do that from time to time, when you find time away from being gratuitously insulting.

  196. JoeyA August 31st, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    SJ-
    Ya know what, you’re absolutely right.

    For what Crawford will command $$-wise, we might as well give Gardy a shot to meet, if not exceed, this year’s performance in future years.

    I guess my dilemma with this logic is him not being a touted-prospect, thus believing he won’t continue to improve like he has in lower-levels.

    But, he, at the very least, deserves a shot. I see that now.

    I just hope, for the Yankees sake, and for the health of some on this board, Gardy fulfills those expectations.

    I guess July and early August scared me to think Gardy may not be the player he was in the first half.

    So, in effect, I will say this is my last post re: Gardy vs. Crawford, since I’ve written so many in the past and many of you have given me clear, logical arguements against my belief.

  197. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    In 3 years, Hanley Ramirez may be a CF.

    Or, if he has another year like this one, he will be the guy people say, “Whatever happened to Hanley Ramirez”.

    Or, some “hotshot” prospect named Cito Culver may be getting close and Derek Jeter is going to mentor him.

    Or, Jeter may get lost in that 40,000 sq ft. house he’s building on Davis Island, not be able to make it to ST, retire, and have a bunch of kids with Minka Kelly.

    No matter what, if any of these unlikely scenarios ever take place, it still won’t stop the basic premise some of us are making……….

    Derek Jeter’s contract is not going to stop the Yankees from doing business.

  198. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    stuckey

    I’ve liked the potential Gardner showed and felt if he improved could be a real asset.

    His skills are something that the Yankees have been lacking.

    I did discuss it with some when he first came up but it got too tedious.

    One other reason I pull for Gardner is because that’s my wifes maiden name. :lol:

  199. Andrew August 31st, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Hey right around the time that Jeter’s career will probably be wrapping up, Troy Tulowitzki will be a free agent. He did idolize Derek as a kid, wears #2 (although he also loved Nomar, bummer). Wouldn’t mind seeing him in pinstripes, he’ll still be in his prime when he hits the market

  200. blake August 31st, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    gardner has been a very good player for the Yankees this year. He’s not a superstar but he’s gotten on base , played plus defense in LF, and has effectively shutdown the automatic green light other teams took on the bases last year when the ball was hit to LF. He’s done everything you could have realistically expected him to do in his first year as an everyday player.

  201. Robin August 31st, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Does anyone else wish Cash had signed Chapman?

    I know people say $5 million per year for what would be a set-up man on the yankee staff is too much, but jeez l03 mph!

  202. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    He can be “infuriating” at times, but, overall, I’ve been impressed with everything about him this year, other than jumping back and forth between aggressive and passive and it’s always sudden. He never chages gradually. I’d like a little warning.

    ———————————————————————————-

    I guess he didn’t get your memo. :lol:

  203. RayVT August 31st, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I agree SJ! I still like the idea of Crawford in pinstripes, but I see your point!

  204. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    GB7-

    What you choose to worry about is of course your prerogative.

    Hopefully the Yanks don’t adopt your attitude.

    I do think that no one, Yanks included, expected Jeter to have the year he is having, so speculating on how it may change the Yanks’ approach to the next Jeter contract seems like a perfectly fair subject

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Of course this doesn’t and hasn’t been beaten to death since June? Why continue it? You’re not going to change anybodys mind. This is as old and bad as the Yankees should have dumped Rodriguez in 2007 or they need to unload that lazy bum at 2nd base for somebody good like Kemp.

  205. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    blake

    How Gardner has performed shows that maybe the Yankees have a bettter idea how they see these players than the fans do.

  206. Patrick August 31st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    In 3 years, Hanley Ramirez may be a CF.

    Or, if he has another year like this one, he will be the guy people say, “Whatever happened to Hanley Ramirez”.

    CF, yeah maybe. But come on, it’s not like he’s having a terrible year.

    .299/.375/.476 with 19 HR and 27 steals is pretty damn good. Not what we expect from Hanley but good all the same. His fielding is pretty poor though.. I could definitely see him moving to CF.

  207. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Not everybody who is a highly touted prospect makes it.

    Ruben Rivera was much more highly touted than Robinson Cano.

    Marty Jansen was much more highly touted than Andy Pettitte

    Things happen along the way on the road to the majors.

    As I see it, Gardner has 3 weaknesses:

    1. Bunting.
    2. Lack of aggressiveness stealing bases.
    3. Taking too many pitches. Yes, you can take too many pitches. Especially 3-1 cookie fastballs in the middle of the plate.

    The question one has to ask is, can these weaknesses be improved upon?

    I believe the answer to all three is, “yes”.

    If he gets better in those areas, he could be one of the biggest offensive bargains in baseball next year.

  208. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t know what some of you are looking for. Many of us who were “iffy” about Gardner have said – often – how much Gardner proved us wrong. Many of us have also said there doesn’t seem to be the same pressing need to get the other CC.

    What do you want?

  209. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    He can be “infuriating” at times, but, overall, I’ve been impressed with everything about him this year, other than jumping back and forth between aggressive and passive and it’s always sudden. He never chages gradually. I’d like a little warning.

    ———————————————————————————-

    I guess he didn’t get your memo.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s that slow US Postal Service. The only organization that thinks that overnight express gives them plenty of time….if you live about the Arctic Circle in the winter time.

  210. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    “How Gardner has performed shows that maybe the Yankees have a bettter idea how they see these players than the fans do.”

    It’s even worse than that. Anyone’s who can read a simple bar or line graph should have been able to predict improvement over last season was a distinct possibility.

    His trend line is consistently UP when he repeats a level.

    This wasn’t even a baseball issue. This was a failure of our educational system. :-)

  211. Patrick August 31st, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Agreed wrt Gardner’s weaknesses. The other thing about Gardner is, I think he gets a bad zone from umpires. Maybe it’s just my Yankee bias but it seems to me that a lot of borderline strikes get called on him that aren’t called against other hitters.

  212. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    “What do you want?”

    Light housework would do nicely.

  213. Patrick from CT August 31st, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Lots of talk about next year. How about a good debate over the starting rotation instead?

    Jeter will get paid BIG $$ to remain a Yankee in 2011, no question about that.
    Brett Gardner has made Carl Crawford a LA Angel for 2011.
    Cliff Lee will be the #1 FA target for the Yankees after they sign Jeter and Mo.
    Will GI Joe be back is a bigger question then the other 3…

  214. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Doreen

    I wasn’t thinking of you when I went on my rant.

    There were others that felt absoutley that Gardner had no place on this team.

  215. JoeyA August 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    If only Marty Jansen panned out….

    Speaking of highly touted, is CMW gonna pitch this season?

  216. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    About the Arctic Circle or above it…same thing.

  217. disco stu August 31st, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    One aspect about Jeter that I have been wondering about, especially with him being as offensively anemic as he has been since the All-Star Break, is how/when the Yankees will approach him about dropping him down in the lineup.

    I doubt it will be any point this year, even if his struggles extend into the post season.

    However, it will be interesting to see how that plays out and how Jeter deals with being dropped from the top of the lineup for the first time since he was a rookie.

    Will he consider it an afront or will he be accepting of the fact that he no longer can be counted on day in/day out to be the table-setter he has been for his whole career?

  218. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    MY -

    I wasn’t ranting at you either. :)

  219. Chuck58 August 31st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    :arrow:

  220. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    GB7-

    Everything has been beaten to death 100 times since June, but that doesn’t stop you from commenting.

    IMO, what the Yanks will do about Jeter is interesting speculation and far from entirely clear, but as I say you are welcome to sit on the sidelines on the topic as far as I am concerned.

  221. blake August 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    The Yankees should have a good chance at a title this year but if certain dominoes fall into place the 2011 team COULD be very very special.

  222. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Hanley is hitting .200 with RISP and his attitude is really rubbing guys the wrong way in the clubhouse.

    Lacking a veteran leader on the Marlins has hurt Hanley’s development, IMO.

  223. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    MY -

    I wasn’t ranting at you either.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Oh, please…let’s not get syrupy here. What kind of board would this be without rants directed at anybody and everybody?

    Besides boring old peace, I mean.

  224. Patrick from CT August 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    SJ44, He is one of the biggest offensive bargains in baseball now.
    The kid is getting on at better than .380.
    I don’t care about the bunting but he needs to start running on the first darn pitch.
    Don’t know what Joe’s gonig to do when Arod comes back, but how do you put Gardner back at the #9 hole when he is clearly the best leadoff option at this point.
    I guess he can bat Swish 6th and Posada 7th…

  225. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    GB7-

    Everything has been beaten to death 100 times since June, but that doesn’t stop you from commenting.

    IMO, what the Yanks will do about Jeter is interesting speculation and far from entirely clear, but as I say you are welcome to sit on the sidelines on the topic as far as I am concerned.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    No, I’ll just continue reading your insipid whinings and remark on those…boring as they are.

  226. Patrick August 31st, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    SJ44 I’ll respond in the next thread.

  227. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    SJ44

    I see some comparison between Hanley and B.J. Upton.

    I’ve been hearing for the past couple of years about him needing to move to CF.

  228. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Pointless interjection: As much as I love Munson, Mercer, Mattingly… none of them hold a candle to what Derek Jeter means to the New York Yankees/Major League Baseball.


Sponsored by:
 

Search

    Advertisement

    Follow

    Mobile

    Read The LoHud Yankees Blog on the go by navigating to the blog on your smartphone or mobile device's browser. No apps or downloads are required.

Advertisement

Place an ad

Call (914) 694-3581