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Postgame notes: Vazquez making his pitch for the rotation

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It’s been just seven days since Javier Vazquez was knocked out of the Yankees rotation. He’s already making a case that he should be back in it. This was a two-run slugfest when Vazquez came into tonight’s game. He shutdown the Oakland lineup while the Yankees lineup kept hitting. That’s why this thing became a lopsided blowout.

In two relief appearances since being banished, Vazquez has pitched nine innings, allowing two runs on four hits. He’s struck out eight.

“When the decision was made I was disappointed,” Vazquez said. “I’ve always been a starter. I would love to be in the rotation, but if they feel like I can help the team in the bullpen, that’s fine by me.”

As Joe Girardi said during his postgame press conference, he had “just walked in the door” when he was asked whether Vazquez had put himself into contention to rejoin the rotation. Girardi couldn’t have decided anything in those few minutes, but he seemed to know the question was coming.

“This is a continued evaluation process,” he siad. “But right now we’re on rotation.”

There is a slight mechanical adjustment that seems to be helping Vazquez’s fastball. When he lifts his left leg in his delivery, Vazquez is bringing the leg farther back. It’s not more of a twist, he said, and the leg’s not coming up any higher, it’s just coming a little farther back toward second base.

“The arm angle also has to play a part of it, but (pitching coach Dave Eiland) feels like that’s going to give me better momentum, and it has,” Vazquez said. “The ball was true to where I wanted it to be.”

The ball has been true ever since the Yankees pushed Vazquez out of the rotation, and given the uncertain nature of every Yankees starter except CC Sabathia, it’s hard to rule out another Vazquez move before the end of the season.

Here’s Javy talking after the game.

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APTOPIX Athletics Yankees Baseball• Alex Rodriguez came through his pregame workout just fine. “We’ll just continue to try to increase it a little bit every day,” Girardi said. “I’m not sure if he’ll do anything on the field tomorrow as far as hitting, but he came through today ok.”

• Same for Mark Teixeira and his bruised right hand. “Bone bruises just get slowly better,” Teixeira said. “It’s a little sore now and maybe in the next couple of days it will get a little bit better. We play with a little soreness all the time… I woke up this morning feeling really good and called Kevin Long right away.”

• Jorge Posada’s take on Vazquez: “He belongs in the rotation. He understands that, and today was another step.”

• Girardi’s take on Dustin Moseley: “Mose was just kind of struggling a little bit today. I didn’t think his stuff was quite as sharp. He was in long counts all night and so I decided to make the change.”

• Teixeira and Robinson Cano tonight: 6-for-7 with six runs, one double, two home runs and four RBI. Cano’s 26th homer of the season gave him a career-high this year. Cano has homered in five of his past seven home games. He’s seven RBI shy of a career high.

• Not much more to say about Marcus Thames. The guy has been a beast with a home run in each of his past five starts. Tonight’s was a real blast into the second deck. “I saw a little bit of it,” he said. “I got it good. I’m just trying not to miss my pitch.”

• Ramiro Pena has a hit in seven of his past 10 starts. He also has five RBI in those 10 starts.

• Vazquez has 11 straight 10-win seasons.

• Lance Berkman was 2-for-5 with a run scored in his first rehab game with Double-A Trenton. He was the designated hitter.

• Alfredo Aceves allowed one run on two hits through an inning and a third for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He threw 33 pitches, 21 for strikes. That’s a better outing than his previous two.

• Joba Chamberlain was not available tonight, and the Yankees were trying to avoid using Boone Logan and Kerry Wood.

• The championship belt was in Vazquez’s locker.

Associated Press photos of Vazquez and Swisher

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112 Responses to “Postgame notes: Vazquez making his pitch for the rotation”

  1. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 12:19 am

    I would not put him back in the rotation just based on these 2 relief outings.

  2. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Javy is not replacing Phil, so as to the uncertainty of the rotation, we’re talking basically AJ and Moseley.

  3. PittsburghYankeeFan August 31st, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Interesting discussion last thread about Mo and Jeter.

    Mo gets what he wants. Probably $15 million on consecutive 1 year contracts. That is, if he doesn’t retire? Could he retire?

    Jeter is far more interesting. He’s clearly had an off year, hitting 40 points below his career numbers. He’s 36. ARod’s deal has clearly screwed everything up. He also will be paid whatever he asks for, but ask yourself this…if offered arbitration, how much would he really get after this year, if his name was not Derek Jeter? $8 million? Very interesting, since they have to sign Cashman before any of this gets done…

  4. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 12:36 am

    “There is no reason on earth to make a pitcher with Phil’s talent a reliever. If the Yankees had chosen to do that, we’re supposed to think that’s a good thing and that Phil should be grateful?”

    Since when are we talking about Phil Hughes?

    You expressed the idea that it would be “unfortunate” of the arms currently at AAA and AA had to relieve at the big-league level for the Yankees. THIS is what I responded to.

    ANY and EVERY one of them – from Brackman to Warren and everyone in-between will be fortunate to ever APPEAR in the majors, much less has an extended career in the majors, much less as a starter.

    Until you come to terms with that reality, thereis something missing in this conversation.

    “There is no reason on earth to make a pitcher with Phil’s talent a reliever. If the Yankees had chosen to do that, we’re supposed to think that’s a good thing and that Phil should be grateful? No, IMO, that’s a complete waste of material.”

    Again, read what I actually responded to.

    IF the Yankees choose to use some of those highly-regarded arms in AA and AAA in the bullpen in the coming years, it will be for 1 of 2 reasons.

    1.) They feel they will be more effective and healthier there.

    2.) The Yankees rotation will be SO solid and depth so great, that they’ll have that option, which is a good thing.

  5. PittsburghYankeeFan August 31st, 2010 at 12:37 am

    And I know Jeter can’t get less than 10% of his 2010 salary in arb…what I’m trying to determine is his value as a player right now, not as an icon, captain, etc…

  6. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Betsy-

    I’m curious why do you consider Moseley to be a better option in the starting rotation than Javy? It can’t be based on the past few performances, are you attributing Javy’s recent success to pitching out of the bullpen and worried that moving him again might screw that up? I know the A’s are a horrible team offensively, but Moseley struggled mightily while Javy was nearly perfect. It would seem to me that after Burnett’s start Wednesday, either Moseley or AJ will be sent to the bullpen in order to ride Javy’s hot hand, as short a streak as it may be.

  7. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Stuckey, you said that any pitcher in the minors would basically be grateful for any time spent in the majors and he wouldn’t care if he started or not. I disagree….I think most pitchers would clearly prefer to start and that’s what I’m saying. I used Phil as an example because he is a perfect example – a starter who was put into the pen (for whatever reason). Who else did you want me to make an example of? I already told you that I think minor leaguers just want to make the majors……regardless of how they do it. After they’ve had some success, and esp. if they’ve previously been starters, yes, I think they would prefer to start.

    I don’t know what else there is to say on the subject……….but we’re not getting anywhere.

  8. G. Love August 31st, 2010 at 12:44 am

    stuckey,

    In response to the last thread, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Jeter thinks on a per year basis he’s worth dollar for dollar what Arod is being paid per year.

    Jeter is just as much of a gate attraction here in NY and his pursuit of 3000 hits as a clean player will be celebrated throughout baseball.

    That said, he’s not worth 27-30 million a year. Neither is Arod unless he’s playing the field hitting 40-50 HR’s a season and leading the league in RBI’s.

    Do I think Jeter would want the contract length that Arod has? I hope not. Expecting a contract till age 42 after this season would be downright ludicrous.

    Do I think he would think he’s worth the same money for each year he continues to play? I do.

    If Derek Jeter gets 20 million plus per season out of the Yankees it’s a bad deal. It will effect other signings just as Arod’s money, AJ’s money, etc. will effect future signings. The only difference with their money is it’s already guaranteed.

  9. SAS August 31st, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Jeter makes and has made so much money for the Yankees and himself that I am pretty sure they will come up with a fair contract for Jeter and for Mo. These men both know they nearing the end of their productive years…sob. sob. They know the whole team has to be paid. I truly don’t think it will be a problem.

    Jeter could get an incentive laden contract. Not so for Mo. I think his contract will be one year at a time.

  10. Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Javy is about 2 more stints away from being back in the rotation picture……

  11. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 12:47 am

    IIIOO, believe me, it’s not because I think Moseley is great – though he’s done a good job for what we asked of him. I am skeptical of Javy – 2 starts and he’s all the way back? I don’t buy it and I still don’t have confidence in him starting. Do I have confidence in Moseley? No more than I’d have in any #5 or # 6 starter. However, if I’m the Yanks I want to be sure of Javy before I put him back in the rotation, otherwise they’d just have to yank him out of it again.

  12. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 12:48 am

    SAS-

    I believe Mo has already said that he would prefer to go one year at a time, that would lead me to believe that he has no desire to stick around any longer than he’s effective. Maybe he even foresees a situation where he is still effective but would rather hang em up. Of all the aging Yankees, I am most interested to see how the last few years of Mo’s career play out.

  13. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Pat M, that’s fine. If Javy is good out of the pen for another 2 or so outings, then no problem – put him back.

  14. Crash August 31st, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Mosely hopefully will not be in the rotation in a couple of weeks because Pettitte returns. Javy was pitching awful as a starter. Keep him in the bullpen atleast he is pitching well from there.

  15. lil m August 31st, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Very late to the party on this, but

    “Jeter has been a nice player for the Yankees”

    FAIL.

    Sheesh . . .

  16. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Betsy-

    That’s fair reasoning. It would be pretty unfortunate to put him back in the rotation only to see him fail. But because he’s only on a one year contract, I think the Yankees are liable to make every attempt possible to play the hot hand with little regard for how Javy’s potential failures affect him in the long run. If he’s unsuccessful in a return to the rotation, he’ll be yanked and he and the Yankees will part ways in the off season.

    I think that you’re logic is absolutely sound for someone who has to be part of the long term success of the team (think Burnett), but I’m not sure if it applies here. Should Burnett be sent to the bullpen, I would think the team would want to be absolutely sure he’s going to turn it around before putting him back for exactly the reasons you state. Because of the reasoning you laid out, I think Moseley would be the one to get the hook and Burnett will get a huge leash because he’s here for next 3 years.

  17. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 12:54 am

    I think that ***your*** logic is absolutely sound

  18. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 12:59 am

    IIOO, I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t think waiting another go round would hurt. I don’t trust Javy against teams really good teams – I just don’t – but if he’s going to pitch well, then I’d rather see him than against the Rays/Jays/Rangers than Moseley (after Oakland, we face the O’s – then those teams). Let him get another good relief outing or two under his belt and then send him out there.

  19. SAS August 31st, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Good night all

  20. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Betsy-

    Fair, enough. I don’t want to see it happen, but I would be interested to see what Girardi does should Burnett have another terrible start on Wednesday. I just can’t see them taking Burnett out of the rotation, no matter how much he does to deserve it.

  21. Rich in NJ August 31st, 2010 at 1:02 am

    “What I am saying is some players ARE the team. Derek and Mo are more important to me, than the Steinbrenner’s bottom line.”

    If two players ARE the team, then they are bigger than the team.

    That’s a prescription for disaster.

    “Nor should they. throwing buckets of money at unproven free agents because you have a hole is unwise. It’s also the old way of doing business.”

    Were CC and Teix unproven? Obviously not. That’s the kind of free agent that they need to have the funds to target.

    “Rewarding Derek and Mo will never be considered “misspent money” in my book. In fact I would consider It is a very wise business decision. Maybe you need to Quit worrying about the Yankees payroll so much.”

    I think you’re the one who is worrying because you care more about sentiment that on the field production.

    There is no indication that the payroll limit will be significantly greater than $200m.

    If you over spend on players that can’t produce at a level that is commensurate with their contracts, it will likely affect the team’s ability to win on the field because the apparent payroll limit will preclude the acquisition of other stars that are in their prime, both in terms of performance and the size of their contracts.

    Again, Jeter and Rivera should be viewed as separate cases because Rivera has given no indication that he can’t produce at a very high level. That is not true of Jeter.

  22. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Very difficult for me not to agree with everything Rich said there. There are two extremes, those who bash Jeter for everything he does, not realizing that shortstop is a very unproductive position in the majors, and those who love him so unconditionally that they can’t understand giving the guy 20 million a year would be a terrible decision for the franchise in the long run. I fancy myself in the middle, I understand Jeter can still be a productive shortstop in comparison to the rest of the MLB, but I simply cannot endorse giving him a blank check because of his past performance.

  23. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Mo, on the other hand, should he be willing to go year by year, should get as much as he wants.

  24. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 1:10 am

    “If Derek Jeter gets 20 million plus per season out of the Yankees it’s a bad deal. It will effect other signings just as Arod’s money, AJ’s money, etc. will effect future signings. The only difference with their money is it’s already guaranteed.”

    So then your premise is the Yankees MIGHT very well knowingly compromise the team’s ability to compete for titles in favor of appeasing Derek Jeter.

    yes or no?

  25. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 1:21 am

    “Who else did you want me to make an example of? I already told you that I think minor leaguers just want to make the majors……regardless of how they do it. After they’ve had some success, and esp. if they’ve previously been starters, yes, I think they would prefer to start.”

    After they’ve had success is only relevant when they’re made the majors and and had success there, which is not what you originally said. Yuu said:

    “Some of these kids are going to be traded – unfortunately (for what, though).Some will, unfortunately for them, be converted to relievers…………that stinks.”

    “Unfortunately for them … that stinks”. I’m not putting words in your mouth.

    They’ll be converted to relievers only if it’s in their best interest OR the Yankees depth is so great they won’t have a chance to crack the rotation. In which case, being converted to a reliever will be their ticket to the majors,which is GREAT for them. It would not stink.

  26. tyanksfan36 August 31st, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Technically, vasquez could take moseleys spot in the rotation since they both pitched tonight. Girardi could give the start to javy and if things go sour early, he could put moseley out there. Just a thought.

    On the Mo/Jeter subject; I think that Mo will take a yearly contract, they probably give him what he wants. Jeter is difficult. He has had a down year but that doesn’t mean he will perform poorly next season. He is also the face of the franchise. I just don’t see them letting him go when he obviously wants to keep playing and has never wanted to play for another team. Without Steinbrenner who was his biggest supporter, I don’t know if the emotional attachment is still there with his sons, but it is there with NY fans. Honestly if you turned all the fans around on an average day in Yankee Stadium, probably 70% would be wearing a Jeter shirt or jersey. That’s just my take.

  27. Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Isn’t Derek the highest paid SS in the game ???? I think he’ll remain the highest as a result of a 2 year 40 mil with an option for the 3rd……..Just as Mo will remain the tops in his field….Modest pay raises for both players

  28. stuart a August 31st, 2010 at 1:44 am

    jeters year is more then down. he is not very good right now and at 36 who can say this is not the beginning of the end.

    Mariano is still great….

    Jeter is over 45 points below his career avg., with less power, more GIDP…He makes all the plays to him defensively but range is also a issue…

    hughes, cc, and pettitte are starting in the playoffs who the 4th starter is up for debate end the story………..

  29. stuart a August 31st, 2010 at 1:45 am

    pat m.. modest pay raises for guys who results are diminishing. mo is still very good but if you have not noticed they use him a lot less then they use to……

    good idea, you should run a business…………………the business would go bankrupt……

  30. Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 2:02 am

    Stuart a…….The Yanks would take a major PR hit if they play the extensions incorrectly…….Yanks paid Mantle, Joe D., Berra, Mattingly the same dough as they started to decline ever so slowly….I think Jeter is banged up…Watch him run as it appears as though he’s dragging his left leg…..Anything more than 2 years for either guy would be an issue in my mind……Besides, Mariano is still one of the best in the game …….Believe it or not, thousands come out just to see Jeter play and that translates into some serious coin…..Besides, is there a better option at SS right now or in the near future ????? By the way, I do run a business, and trust me I’m not in the bankruptcy mode……

  31. BJK August 31st, 2010 at 2:03 am

    stuart a August 31st, 2010 at 1:45 am
    pat m.. modest pay raises for guys who results are diminishing. mo is still very good but if you have not noticed they use him a lot less then they use to……

    good idea, you should run a business…………………the business would go bankrupt……

    ——————————————————————————————————————

    Mo is having one of the best years of his career. Even if they’re “using him a lot less”, which they’re really not, he’s still the best closer in baseball.

    Regardless, you may want to re-evaluate your business model becayse both Jeter and Mo are worth much more to the Yankees than their on-field production.

  32. tyanksfan36 August 31st, 2010 at 2:19 am

    BJK. You hit the nail on the head. Jeter is worth more than his on field production.(Or lack thereof) the Yankees still put up the best record in baseball even though jeter isn’t batting to his career average. Like I said. You turn everyone around in Yankee stadium and you will see more 2 jerseys than you can count.
    And with Mo, they are still using him but how many close games have they played? Not that many. They have scored the most runs in all of baseball and with that has come many lopsided games. If I recall…Mo was used twice this weekend, to close out a game that no one else could handle and to save a 1 run lead. No one else in the bullpen can be trusted like he can. Mo said after interleague play when he was used for two 2 inning saves, that he wasn’t going to pitch more than necessary. Joe may use him less lately because the bullpen has become more effective but he always goes in when it gets choppy.

  33. Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 2:21 am

    BJK….Be careful because according to stuart a that philosophy will fast track you to bankruptcy…..I agree with you though

  34. m August 31st, 2010 at 2:25 am

    The Yankees organization is not a normal business. Nor are they run like one.

  35. Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 2:41 am

    m…..These are 2 guys who will be HOF, numbers retired, placqes in Monument Park ……Decades from now, Derek Jeter will have a monument out there as will Yogi……

  36. Nick in SF August 31st, 2010 at 3:01 am

    I agree with the sentiment that these HOF Yankee legend contracts are a far bigger ‘issue’ on the LoHud blog than they will be in the real world of Yankee baseball.

    In other news, I had my first ever rye gibson this evening. I think the bourbon gibson was better, so a lesson was learned.

    hey, the Mosely vs. Cy Cahill matchup was the least likely Yankee win (pending baaaaaad AJ) of the series, maybe a little happiness is in order. Another day has been crossed off the calendar and the Yanks are one win closer to meaningful October baseball.

  37. BJK August 31st, 2010 at 3:02 am

    It’s amazing how some fans really can’t appreciate what they’re witnessing right now.

    Mariano Rivera is not only the greatest closer of all time, he’s arguably the greatest pitcher of all time.

    His adjusted ERA+ is 206. Second on the list is Pedro Martinez with 154. Cy Young is 138. How sick is that? It’s not even close.

    So you take one of the greatest (if not the greatest) pitchers of all time. He’s 40 years old. And currently, his ERA is 1.13. That’s the best of his career.

    Or his WHIP, which is 0.76. That’s the second best of his career, 2008 being the best at 0.67.

    He’s inhuman. He’s at the top of his game. “Mo is still very good” is the understatement of the century.

    And he’s on pace for 61 games this year, which is a mere 4 games less than his average of the past 4 years.

    Give the man whatever he wants, and add a “0″.

  38. Nick in SF August 31st, 2010 at 3:09 am

    No way, he had a chance to get his ERA below 1.00 a couple outings ago and he choked and gave up a run.

    Don’t reward failure, even to these so-called ‘legends’!

    Teach ‘em a lesson.

    Don’t pay Mo too much now, it’ll only encourage the next guy (if he happens to be the new greatest of all time) to want a lot too.

  39. BJK August 31st, 2010 at 3:21 am

    Oh yeah… forgot about that choke job. How embarrassing.

    Disregard all that other irrelevant stuff I posted.

  40. Nick in SF August 31st, 2010 at 3:49 am

    BJK, I think the point you made earlier — “It’s amazing how some fans really can’t appreciate what they’re witnessing right now” — is appropriate not just in regards to Mo but in a more general sense to the season we’re seeing unfold.

    It’s the nature of the medium, I suppose, but we are seeing a very good baseball team have a very good season. Maybe even a great season as they roll towards 94 or 98 or 103 wins.

    Most of the regulars on this blog are among the hyper-obsessed of Yankee fans… we watch every game, or as many games as we can…. little things like an unfortunate GIDP tend to take on greater meaning than they should. Yet the team rolls on to October.

    Um, did I mention the bourbon gibson?

  41. jacksquat August 31st, 2010 at 4:56 am

    BJK August 31st, 2010 at 3:02 am
    It’s amazing how some fans really can’t appreciate what they’re witnessing right now.

    Mariano Rivera is not only the greatest closer of all time, he’s arguably the greatest pitcher of all time.

    His adjusted ERA+ is 206. Second on the list is Pedro Martinez with 154. Cy Young is 138. How sick is that? It’s not even close.

    So you take one of the greatest (if not the greatest) pitchers of all time. He’s 40 years old. And currently, his ERA is 1.13. That’s the best of his career.

    Or his WHIP, which is 0.76. That’s the second best of his career, 2008 being the best at 0.67.

    He’s inhuman. He’s at the top of his game. “Mo is still very good” is the understatement of the century.

    And he’s on pace for 61 games this year, which is a mere 4 games less than his average of the past 4 years.

    Give the man whatever he wants, and add a “0?.

    Can’t compare relievers to starters. It’s obviously easier to pitch 1-2 innings at a time. However, Mo is still awesome.

    It’s going to be tough losing that almost sure thing when he retires.

  42. MJR August 31st, 2010 at 6:43 am

    September is here….can AJ be fixed? or will Mosely or Nova be inserted? I’d rather AJ come back to some decent form.

    Pettite?

  43. Fran the original August 31st, 2010 at 7:24 am

    With Javy tweaking his mechanics and pitching well, it does give Girardi another option for the starting rotation. I could see Javy taking Moseley’s next start.

  44. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Good morning Fran

    I was so happy for Javy. You could tell by the reaction of the team they were happy as well. And Thames has turned into a monster!

  45. Fran the original August 31st, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Hi Kate,

    I was happy for Javy too. He got the championship belt.

    Everything work out with getting your son back to school?

  46. blake August 31st, 2010 at 7:35 am

    Jeter is the most marketable player in baseball, is the face of baseball, and makes the Yanks a lot of money. In addition to that he’s still one of the top 5 players in baseball at his position. For all the times people ask “what would he command if his name wasn’t Derek Jeter”…that’s irrelevent because he is Derek Jeter and I wouldn’t be shocked to see him have a strong finish and post season and better year next season.

    The Yanks have been planning for this offseason for awhile I would imagine.

  47. Fran the original August 31st, 2010 at 7:38 am

    Blake,

    Well stated. I am sure that the Yankees will do right by Derek, Mo and Joe Girardi.

  48. blake August 31st, 2010 at 7:42 am

    I was happy for Javy as well.

    When he has kept his left shoulder on the target and his arm up and on top of the ball then he’s been pretty good this season. When he hasn’t he’s been really bad…hopefully he can hold on to what he’s done these last two outings and carry that over the rest of the way.

  49. upstate kate August 31st, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Fran
    yes, everything went fine. His summer job had ended earlier in the week and he was ready to return. I thought it would be easier for me the 2nd year, but it really isn’t! I miss him and the friends hanging out.

    Conveniently, on the way back, we had a wedding to attend. The groom’s family are all big Yankee fans. It was cute at the reception, when they introduced the wedding party. They came in to “New York, New York” They were all wearing Yankee hats. Some of the guys had on eye black. Some of them did Yankee poses, like the classic Jeter at the bat. To close it out, the bride and groom came in to “Enter Sandman”. It was fun, the DJ gave occasional updates of the score.

  50. pat August 31st, 2010 at 8:18 am

    There are many star players in the league but fewer marquis players.

    Star players contracts are based on what the contibute to the team.

    Marquis players contracts are based on what they contribute to the franchise.

    There was a breakdown this weekend on what the $$ cost to the Nationals would be for Strasburg to be out. Most people would initially think ticket sales or jersey purchases but it goes far beyond that- Concession sales, parking revenue, premium ad rates on the franchises TV and radio networks as well as corporate sponsorships.

    Seperating the business of baseball from the game played on the field might be the best way for some to be able to wrap their heads around the $$ in some players contracts.

  51. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 8:21 am

    I would not put Javy back in the rotation yet, but I’m glad he’s pitching a bit better. We need as many option as possible pitching well because, aside from CC and Andy, not one starter is guaranteed to start in the post-season.

  52. Fran the original August 31st, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Kate,

    That wedding sounds like it was a lot of fun :)

  53. MTU August 31st, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    I hope Girardi keeps AJ on a very short leash when he starts the next time.

  54. HipHipHorHay August 31st, 2010 at 8:27 am

    “He shutdown the Oakland lineup while the Yankees lineup kept hitting.”

    My Christmas wish for Chad – since he is a professional writer – is that he learn that “shutdown” is not a word, but two words. Similarly, “shutout” is a noun, while “shut out” is a verb. Not interchangeable. Oh well. Grammar nerd strikes again.

  55. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 8:30 am

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....36676.html

    Interesting stuff on innings limits vs. pitch count limits. It does seem ridiculous to count Phil’s last start as only 3 innings when he threw enough to have been a 7 inning start

  56. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 8:45 am

    pat -

    Good post.

    And good differentiation between “star player” and “marquis player.”

  57. Yankee Trader August 31st, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Good morning-

    There was a lot of “chatter” last night about Jeter-is he done, is he hurt, yada, yada, yada.

    He does look tired. Attached is todays NY Times article that ya”ll might find interesting on Jeter’s “slump.”

  58. Bx is Burning August 31st, 2010 at 8:47 am

    While class is in session, HorHay, I’ll remind Pat that Jeter is a ‘marquee’ player.

    A ‘marquis player’ is the kind of scam artist that you meet on the Cote d’Azur.

  59. PittsburghYankeeFan August 31st, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Of course Derek Jeter will get paid basically whatever he wants. That was never the question.

    The interesting question is: is Jeter in decline? And if he is, what is he worth as a player?

    Maybe he’s hurt? Maybe he has a year at 37 that Posada had? How does his signing affect other contracts? Interesting speculation, for the internet.

    Maybe they give him some sort of personal service contract to make everything whole?

  60. PittsburghYankeeFan August 31st, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Of course Derek Jeter will get paid basically whatever he wants. That was never the question.

    The interesting question is: is Jeter in decline? And if he is, what is he worth as a player?

    Maybe he’s hurt? Maybe he has a year at 37 that Posada had? How does his signing affect other contracts? Interesting speculation, for the internet.

    Maybe they give him some sort of personal service contract to make everything whole?

  61. 86w183 August 31st, 2010 at 8:53 am

    It seems like pretty odd logic to say Javy’s last two relief outings — nine innings and two runs — do not justify returning him to the rotation. Yet somehow Mosely’s last four starts — 19 2/3 innings and 14 runs (6.41 ERA) justifies keeping him in the rotation.

    Innings limits/pitch counts are ballpark figures and should never be hard and fast guidelines.

  62. Yankee Trader August 31st, 2010 at 8:54 am

    I guess it would help if I actually attached the NY Times article on Jeter.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08.....f=baseball

  63. 108 stitches August 31st, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Javy Vazquez will listen and make every attempt to correct his flaws as suggested by Dave Eiland. Burnett just continues to “yes” Eiland to death. Shudder to think what Wednesday will bring.

  64. HipHipHorHay August 31st, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Bx is Burning – maybe Pat just thinks Jeter is comparable to Marquis Grissom.

  65. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 8:59 am

    pat is correct, you fools. Jeter is baseball royalty

  66. HipHipHorHay August 31st, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Calm down Beret. We’re just teasing him/her about spelling, not his/her substantive point.

  67. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:08 am

    I doubt your help is needed. Perhaps you two “educators” could go open a newspaper and make all of the corrections that your heart desires. People like you are a pain in the ass.

  68. Jason Voorhees August 31st, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Jesus Christ, maybe The BumKnees actually had a decent point about ‘Bloviators”.

  69. HipHipHorHay August 31st, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Beret – Okay, Tough Guy.

  70. pat August 31st, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Bx is burning-

    Noted. Marquis Jet on the brain.

    GB

    Thanks for the assist but it’s too early to get riled by i dotters and t crossers. Someone will write something today more worthy of your passion and you need to pace yourself. :wink:

  71. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Doesn’t make me a ‘tough guy”. Just someone who’s sick of clowns who think that their purpose in life is to correct everyone else.

  72. MaineYankee August 31st, 2010 at 9:20 am

    pat August 31st, 2010 at 9:16 am
    Bx is burning-

    Noted. Marquis Jet on the brain.

    GB

    Thanks for the assist but it’s too early to get riled by i dotters and t crossers. Someone will write something today more worthy of your passion and you need to pace yourself.

    —————————————————————–

    It’s nice of you to look out for the infirm. :lol:

  73. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:21 am

    pat, couldn’t help myself. I stayed away too much during the game and have a lot of “tough guy” stored up inside. Hope all is well your way.

    Blame this on Randy. If he’d show up more, I could rag on him and rid myself of my inner toughness

  74. Bx is Burning August 31st, 2010 at 9:22 am

    It’s all good, Pat.
    Thought it was pretty clear that I was just kidding around, but some folks mix up a strong batch of coffee in the morning.

  75. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Hey…there’s an easy target. The moose killer.

  76. pat August 31st, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Bx is Burning-

    :wink: :smile: and :lol: helps to show kidding around here.

    Hard to “hear” the inflection (inflexion?) in your voice otherwise. :wink:

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