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Pregame notes: Waiting for September

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 31, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Diamondbacks Yankees BaseballSeptember 1 is less than seven hours away, but Joe Girardi said this afternoon that he and Brian Cashman have yet to discuss September call-ups.

“We could possibly add a few, (but) we haven’t etched anything in stone right now,” Girardi said. “We could also add zero. It’s something we need to talk about tonight.”

The Yankees are already carrying an extra pitcher, two versatile utility-type infielder, a pretty good defensive fourth outfielder and a designated hitter who can play the field in an absolute pinch. There’s no one spot the Yankees absolutely need for the final month.

“I think we’ll look at an extra outfielder, maybe an extra infielder,” Girardi said. “The situation last night, maybe you can get another infielder off the field for a few innings if you get a bigger lead. We’ll look at those things.”

An extra infielder would seem to indicate Kevin Russo. An extra outfielder could mean lefty Colin Curtis, righty Chad Huffman or speedy Greg Golson (of course, Russo can play the outfield corners as well). One thing the Yankees don’t have on the 40-man is a third catcher. Bringing up Chad Moeller or Jesus Montero would mean booting someone from the 40-man, but a third catcher seems to make sense given Jorge Posada’s nagging injuries and Francisco Cervelli’s lagging offense. Just speculating, but given Reegie Corona’s injury, he could be a candidate for DFA.

“That’s something I’ll have to talk to Cash about,” Girardi said. “If there’s room, what can we do if we possibly want to bring up another catcher.”

Athletics Yankees Baseball• So far, now plans to put Javier Vazquez back in the rotation. “We haven’t made any changes,” Girardi said. “Right now we’re on schedule.”

• Alex Rodriguez will throw today. Otherwise, he’ll do more or less the same stuff he did yesterday. “Probably a little bit more intense tee and toss work in the cage,” Girardi said.

• Andy Pettitte’s bullpen tomorrow might be a little different than Sunday’s. “Geno discussed something with me maybe a little bit different,” Girardi said. “But until he gets a chance to discuss it with everyone, I won’t give it. It will be a bullpen, though.” Maybe he’ll throw 20 pitches, rest, then throw 20 more? Maybe he’ll throw off a mound and a half? I really don’t know.

• Damaso Marte isn’t getting much closer to returning from the DL. “He’s still doing a lot of strengthening work,” Girardi said. “He’s actually in the training room doing it as I walked in. I don’t have a time table for when he’ll throw again.”

• Alfredo Aceves wouldn’t be able to pitch tomorrow anyway. Sounds like he’s not likely to be activated right away. “We’ll have to decide if he’s ready,” Girardi said.

• All signs point to Lance Berkman being activated tomorrow, but Girardi didn’t come right out and say it. “We’ll just have to see how he’s doing,” Girardi said. “(Check on) how he feels and how he’s doing, then we’ll make that decision.”

• Girardi’s hopes for Hughes tonight: “You’d like to see him throw the ball well. He struggled a little bit in Toronto the other day. I thought he got in long counts and they fouled pitches off and he eventually made some mistakes. Get some quick outs (and) use all his pitches tonight. Compete at a high level.”

UPDATE, 6:08 p.m.: Pettitte just said he’s hoping to pitch, sit and pitch again tomorrow. Basically, he’ll simulate an inning without actually facing hitters. “I feel like I ought to progress every time,” he said.

Here’s the A’s lineup
Coco Crisp CF
Daric Barton 1B
Kurt Suzuki C
Jack Cust DH
Kevin Kouzmanoff 3B
Mark Ellis 2B
Jeff Larish LF
Rajai Davis RF
Cliff Pennington SS

Associated Press photos of Curtis and Vazquez

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148 Responses to “Pregame notes: Waiting for September”

  1. mick August 31st, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Hurricane Earl coming this Friday, watch out Yanks.

  2. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Not holding my breath on Marte; looks like we’ll only have 1 lefty in the pen for the playoffs. Boy, I know we won a WS in large part because of Marte, but that trade was pretty bad.

  3. Dylan August 31st, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Personally, I want to see Colin Curtis. I can’t see the Yankees bringing up Montero right now. With Thames hitting like he is, Berkman coming back tomorrow, and hopefully A-Rod coming back soon, the Yankees don’t really need another bat. Montero is still a project behind the plate, so its probably best for his development if he continues to catch every day in triple A. I’m all for bringing up a 5th outfielder, and I thought Curtis played really well in his short stint. I don’t think the Yankees need another infielder. Nunez and Pena have done a great job.

  4. howienewville August 31st, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    I think Wilkin De La Rosa is a more likely DFA than Reegie Corona.

  5. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    The GTLU final report with complete final standings is available on the GTLU page. Thanks, everyone.

  6. mick August 31st, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    How can you not add a 3rd catcher?

  7. champ809 August 31st, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    repost

    champ809 August 31st, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    I would think the Yanks would be more inclined to trade Grandy in a package for Kemp than Gardner from a payroll standpoint.

    To me a package of Grandy- to replace Kemp in CF- an arm like Nova and Romine a local kid that fills a need @ C for the Dodgers may get it done for Kemp coming off of a down year and a contentious relationship with management.

    An outfield of Kemp in LF, Gardner in CF and Swish in RF with Curtis as the 4th OF’er next season would be the best in the game potentially.

  8. mick August 31st, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Wow!
    So many with 0 wins.
    If I would have known I would have lost every time I played.
    Wait till next year.

  9. pat August 31st, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Atlanta Braves September Call-up…………..Scott Proctor!

  10. Ruby Tuesday August 31st, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Oh boy, Hughes is pitching tonight. Against this mighty Oakland offense, it could get very ugly very fast.

  11. Jason Voorhees August 31st, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Exactly! Just like last night!

  12. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Compete at a high level? What is that supposed to mean? Is Joe suggesting Phil has not been competing? Is he trying to scold the kid in public?

    However, re: the pitches – clearly he’s trying to send a message.

  13. JoeyA August 31st, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Maybe someone with more intimate baseball knowledge can shed light on this….

    What is the deal with Hughes and not finishing guys off?

    Is it me or is he constantly in 0-2 and 1-2 counts, but can never put the guy away? We all know he has swing and miss stuff, so why is he having so much trouble in this department?

    Is it something mechanically or phychological? Does he try a little too hard with 2 strikes? Bueller?

  14. champ809 August 31st, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Marte has somehow become the new “El Duque” where the Yanks seem content to let him throw a few innings early in the season, spend the bulk of the summer on the DL and rehabbing and then show up in Sept. in shape and ready to go for October baseball!

    If he throws in this postseason as well as he threw in last years I don’t think the Yanks will regret that trade one bit…..although I’d like to see what Tabata would’ve been playing with ARod and Jeter and Robbie and Tex and Jorge and Jesus and so on and so on and so on….

  15. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    What was bad was signing Marte to a 3 yr/$12MM contract.

  16. Fran the original August 31st, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Mick, I agree. The Yanks definitely need to bring up a 3rd catcher.

    Pat, I didn’t know Proctor was still around. Hope he does well for Atlanta.

  17. Jason Voorhees August 31st, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Are those rhetorical questions or are you looking for someone to say “You’re reading too much into it.”?

  18. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Why would the yankees offer the Dodgers 3 high quality players for somebody the player’s own team trashed all year long as lazy, out of shape, bad work ethics, bad attitude and indifferent?

  19. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Betsy -

    Girardi rarely, if ever, says anything publicly that he hasn’t already said privately to the individual. I’m willing to bet they’ve discussed many things with Hughes, including trying to use all his pitches more. He had a tough night in Toronto and they need him to do a little better is all. My take, purely :)

  20. LGY August 31st, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    # stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Dear lord, this Kemp thing is going to take root and we’re not going to stop hearing about it until next April.

    ——————————————————

    The same thing happened last year with Granderson and he ended up in Pinstripes.

  21. Joe from Long Island August 31st, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    1. De La Rosa is a pitcher. They’ll hold onto him, just based on principle. (Watch, I’ll be wrong.)

    2. I never ceased to be amazed by CB. I’m not the smartest guy in the world, but I don’t think I’m too dumb. This guy just amazes me. Knowledge of statistics, and tremendous insight into baseball. And, can write well enough to communicate. A renaissance man/woman! Seriously, I’m impressed, CB.

  22. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    GB-

    Because many assume the Dodger franchise is in shambles and don’t take much of what they say seriously. I don’t know about the trade that was proposed on here, but I think you’d be hard-pressed to find fans who don’t think Matt Kemp is a wonderful player. That said, I hope you were referring to Kemp, otherwise disregard everything I said.

  23. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    LOL Jason, WRONG on all accounts……………….If I knew what Joe meant, I wouldn’t have asked it. Thanks for playing the game, however – good try.

  24. Carl August 31st, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    # Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    What was bad was signing Marte to a 3 yr/$12MM contract.

    helped us win The Series.

  25. champ809 August 31st, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    I think the issue with Hughes not putting guys away is that he’s primarily 4 seamer/ cutter and that is mainly 90-94mph and on the same plane…it makes him easier to defend hence the million fouled off pitches..

    He needs to do a better job off mixing in his other pitches to change speeds and eye levels off the hitters to put them away more easily.

  26. Giuseppe Franco August 31st, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    # Ruby Tuesday August 31st, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Oh boy, Hughes is pitching tonight. Against this mighty Oakland offense, it could get very ugly very fast.

    ———-

    This kind of stupidity always makes me laugh.

  27. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “The same thing happened last year with Granderson and he ended up in Pinstripes.”

    I hope you’re not implying a causal effect? :-)

  28. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Doreen, I understand the pitches comment – though Joe can also talk to Jorge about it. I have no idea what he means by compete on a high level – go out and pitch a great game? That’s every pitcher’s goal every time he takes the mound………… It just sounds like Joe is suggesting that Phil is not competing.

  29. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    “helped us win The Series.”

    Then perhaps he should have gotten 3 yrs/$24MM…

  30. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    I’m sure as Hell not offering up Granderson, Nova and Romine for Kemp. Perhaps if the added Broxton or Billingham to their end.

  31. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    “It just sounds like Joe is suggesting that Phil is not competing.”

    Yes, I believe you are right.

  32. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    GB-

    That is quite a haul. Not sure I would be on board with that either.

  33. EA August 31st, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    “It just sounds like Joe is suggesting that Phil is not competing.”

    Yes, I believe you are right.

    lol

  34. Dassit August 31st, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    He is not competing like an ace, but more like a #3 lately.

  35. Joe from Long Island August 31st, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    GB – they would obviously need to do a bit of detective work to check things out. One thing I think Cash is sold on, I think, is the importance of getting quality people. He put a lot of effort in changing the character of the clubhouse, and I doubt he would do anything to jeopardize his work in this respect.

  36. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Giuseppe Franco August 31st, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    # Ruby Tuesday August 31st, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Oh boy, Hughes is pitching tonight. Against this mighty Oakland offense, it could get very ugly very fast.

    ———-

    This kind of stupidity always makes me laugh.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Me too. Then i cry just thinking about having to leave the fate of civilization in the hands of a mind like that.

  37. LGY August 31st, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    stuckey,

    haha no.

    But, just saying that rumor talk can end up being reality sometimes and it is fun to propose our own trades and then discuss them before anything really goes down.

  38. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Stuckey, great contribution……….If he’s not suggesting that, then he’s saying he wants Phil to go out and throw a great game? Then why doesn’t he say that every time he’s asked what he hopes to get from a pitcher. This board has no patience………or tolerance.

  39. 108 stitches August 31st, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    DFA Reegie Corona and Wilkin De La Rosa. Add Royce Ring in case Marte insn’t progressing in rehab. Add either Chad Moeller or Rene Rivera as another catcher in September.

  40. JoeyA August 31st, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Champ809-

    That’s a good point. Correct me if I’m wrong, but earlier in the season he used his curveball more and even the change-up every now and again. I don’t think he has been as adament about using them in the 2nd half.

    That being said, if folks like you and I can come to that conclusion, why hasn’t Eiland and Hughes done anything to fix it?

    I know I make it sound very easy, but it’s just disheartening when an 0-2 3 pitch AB turns into a 10-pitch BB.

  41. champ809 August 31st, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    GB

    They would offer that trade because they’ve loved Kemp from afar for 3yrs now and when they inquired about him 2 yrs ago the price was Cano. Now Kemp may be on sale.

    and while that package that I’ve offered for him is quality- it will take quality to get a 26yr old middle of the diamond with “elite skills”- Kemp if he gets right has the potential to be a top 5 OF’er and top 20 talent in the game.

    He flashes 30-40HR/100run/100rbi/40 steals above average to excellent defense as he is entering his prime.

    As far is his immaturity I think if you stick him in our clubhouse he “gets it” right away. Look at how much Robbie has matured in the last 2 yrs.

    listening to his post game interviews sometimes seems like listening to Jeter conduct interviews in a funny fake spanish accent.

  42. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Joe, as you’ve noticed, if the don’t have character, regardless of talent, Cashman and the Steinbrenners aren’t going for the trade or signing. Talent AND character are musts.

  43. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    “Stuckey, great contribution……….If he’s not suggesting that, then he’s saying he wants Phil to go out and throw a great game? Then why doesn’t he say that every time he’s asked what he hopes to get from a pitcher. This board has no patience………or tolerance.”

    I don’t understand. I agree with you. I think your take on Girardi singling out Hughes and sending him a message through the media is accurate and an astute observation on your part.

  44. Nick in SF August 31st, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    It’s more of a casual effect.

  45. Carl August 31st, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Grats Pat!

  46. Gehrig27 August 31st, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Shawn Kemp and Ted Danson for Marte and Reegie…straight up.
    I should be a GM.

    - Elite Poster

  47. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    I thought you were being sarcastic, Stuckey – I apologize.

    Wow, if that’s true, then that is a serious indictment of Phil…… pretty shocking.

  48. Carl August 31st, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Pat Venditte that is.

  49. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    “It’s more of a casual effect.”

    Good to know…

    Who want to co-sponsor the “Felix Hernandez for Ivan Nova and Brandon Laird” movement with me?

    Can’t hurt, right?

  50. Nick in SF August 31st, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Good news!

    Two inspirational Johnny Damon comments are available on the waiver wire.

  51. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Sorry, Champ, but you and Chip have too much in common as to the idea of good trades. Not good company to be in.

  52. mick August 31st, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Gehrig

    Martin and Reggie…on the rocks.

  53. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    “Wow, if that’s true, then that is a serious indictment of Phil…… pretty shocking.”

    Don’t you think he deserves it?

  54. Yank1 August 31st, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Everyone needs a little knick in the groin every once in a while… non-story….

  55. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I think you guys are reading way too much into Girardi’s comments regarding Hughes.

  56. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Stuckey, why would you ask that?

    I may be down on Phil, but when did I ever suggest he wasn’t trying? If that’s what Joe is suggesting……….ouch

  57. Doreen August 31st, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Betsy -

    Nah. I doubt that’s what he meant.

  58. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Wave, perhaps, but the word “compete” raises a red flag………….and I’d like to know why Joe doesn’t tell the media before every game that he’d like his SP to go out there and compete at a high level. Does he mean throw a great game? If so, his expectations are sort of out of whack………..

  59. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Girardi says “compete at a high level” all the time. Its manager-speak for him.

    He says it about every pitcher in almost every interview he gives.

    Nothing more than that.

  60. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Betsy, I believe Joe meant that Phil should get out of his comfort zone and use his entire arsenal of pitches, even if he lacks full confidence in some of them.

    That’s a criticism, but hardly an indictment.

  61. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “I think you guys are reading way too much into Girardi’s comments regarding Hughes.”

    But Hughes really has regressed since his hot start. I mean he doesn’t have elite velocity to begin with and he seemingly refuses to use his curve and change.

    His ceiling as anything more an a #3-4 starter type is in serious question now, especially when you compare his season to a contemporary like Clay Buchholz, who’s a Cy Young candidate.

  62. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    If you ever listen to any of Sterling’s pre-game shows with Girardi, he uses that phrase all the time.

    He’s not “sending a message” to Hughes. Nor is there anything to be down with Hughes on for his season to date.

  63. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    stuckey-

    Phil was bound to fall off from his early pace. He’s basically a rookie, give him time to develop. I wouldn’t hang any starting slot labels on him yet.

  64. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Betsy, not every thing said to the media by Girardi or any other player needs to be taken literally. Also, Stucky’s playing games with you for his own kicks.

    Stucky = mick

  65. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Wow, Stuckey………it’s getting so that I can’t even ask a question. Well, looks like I was wrong in apologizing.

    Wave, the “competing” part was what bothered me. I agree with Joe about the pitches…………although I get the idea that it’s less of a big deal here than it is to Joe. Jorge has something to do with this as well.

  66. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Man you are paranoid GB.

  67. Yank1 August 31st, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    mick is bumknee AND stuckey?

    what’s next… is he going to be CR9?

  68. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    # Yank1 August 31st, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    mick is bumknee AND stuckey?

    what’s next… is he going to be CR9?
    =========================
    That’s what the resident expert says, must be fact.

  69. Gehrig27 August 31st, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Clay is one pee test away from a suspension an a laptop away from jail.

  70. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I didn’t say mick and stucky were the same person. Only the same type. They like to get crap started and run it as long as they can

  71. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    wait a minute, I thought mick was CR9, which would mean CR9 was stuckey99…

    Perhaps everyone on here, other than me, is the same person. Or maybe I have some kind of mental disability and everybody on here is me, and I just forget…

    Seems unlikely. No way I could be GB7…

  72. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    LOL WYH

  73. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    GB, I think you’re right – they are two peas in a pod. I fell for his crap again.

  74. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Those 2 are not who I would choose to be.

  75. Nick in SF August 31st, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Brutal mind games!

    You, stuckey99, are worse than Mengele.

  76. CB August 31st, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Yankee fans have almost no experience watching young starting pitchers develop because of how little the farm system have been used. The few successful, internally developed pitchers the franchise has had – like Pettite, Gator and Wang – were more less fully formed by the time they go into the rotation.

    And that leads to tremendous over analysis of how the current crop of young pitchers the yankees have are doing.

    Trevor Cahill got wracked around last night. In Oakland that’s just part of the process. Were that to happen to hughes that would be evidence for him being a back end starter at his peak.

    If yankees fans had watched Zack Grienke throw 2-3 years ago they would have dismissed him a nothing special.

  77. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    They like to get crap started and run it as long as they can
    =======================================
    Not like you know who…

  78. Jerkface August 31st, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    God forbid Betsy have to suffer through watching Greinke struggle as a starter and pitch for a period in relief, no ace in that kids future :x

  79. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    I never listen to pre-game shows, on YES or the radio, so Joe’s “coach-speak” went over my head.

  80. ron August 31st, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Girardi would like too see hughes stat line a little better tonight,we all would.

    He also said “use all his pitches tonight”

  81. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Jerkface, ok, so my opinion makes you mad – sorry about that. That comment was unnecessary

  82. EA August 31st, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Mick is entertaining. He brings levity to a blog that can often become contentious.

  83. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Phil Hughes was indicted?

  84. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    I levitate? Wait a minute..

  85. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    CB, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how Phil turns out, won’t we? I don’t think that jibe was necessary. Everyone is entitled to their opinion..or are they?

    I only brought his name up tonight because I didn’t understand Joe’s comments; heaven forbid I seek clarifcation. I get it – the idea is not to ask any questions that might set certain people off because I have to be afraid of their reactions.

  86. ZMAN August 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Betances, Brackman, Banulous better not go through growing pains when they get up here, or else they may lost their title as potential ace and might only become a #3. They also better throw 4 pitches, with command, and outperform a Boston youngster.

    I will not except anything less.

  87. blackaccord August 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    CB,

    value ur opinions greatly… What do u think of Ivan Nova? Do you see him in the yankees rotation regularly in 2011 or 2012? or is he a trade bait during the offseason?

  88. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    OK, I’m back on the ground…thanks EA.

  89. ZMAN August 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    *accept

  90. Gehrig27 August 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Someone bring an extra box of “K’s” for Phil tonight.

    He will dominate. Period.

    -Elite Poster

  91. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    CB, I’m sorry if I snapped, but I’m just a little annoyed by the idea that I can’t even ask a simple question …….

  92. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    I get it – the idea is not to ask any questions that might set certain people off because I have to be afraid of their reactions.
    =====================
    Now you’re catching on..

  93. blackaccord August 31st, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    wow.. just read that the sox traded their fav. reliever MDC to the rockies.. that ship is sinking fast..

  94. YankFanCA August 31st, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    I am building a bubble around the city of Trenton. Lance Berkman must not be allowed to escape. If seen fleeing, Berkman should be bludgeoned with posters of Marcus “Big Fly” Thames.

  95. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Well too bad, Mick, because I’m going to ask questions even if you get annoyed. You don’t run this place, clown.

  96. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    # ZMAN August 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Betances, Brackman, Banulous better not go through growing pains when they get up here, or else they may lost their title as potential ace and might only become a #3. They also better throw 4 pitches, with command, and outperform a Boston youngster.

    I will not except anything less.
    =====================
    Who are you channeling ZMAN?

  97. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    ah the rebellion of youth…

  98. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Mick’s a levitating clown!?

  99. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    GB,

    Our arguments over sabremetrics happened in Feb. You really need to let that go.

    Of the two of us, there isn’t a single person here that would not readily agree it is you who wastes more bandwidth engaging in snideness and personal attacks. I have a snarky streak for sure, but I tend to keep it focused on actual baseball.

    As it were, yes, I wasn’t being serious, but I wasn’t “having” fun. I was trying to make a point.

    This same dynamic repeats itself on a multi-daily basis here (with no help required from me) and I was hoping to take a different tack to illustrate something.

    I think when someone’s sentiments are echoed to them and they aren’t expecting it, it makes them take a 2nd look at them.

    A whole group of people telling the person they are wrong and are being silly, despite how accurate, often just results in defensiveness.

    If you don’t recognize that as being a daily occurrence with no end in sight, then I question your observation skills.

    Again. You really need to simply move on with this personal grudge.

    But I suppose if you let that happen you’d betray this crotchety old uncle persona you clearly try to propagate and I can only imagine you regard as charming.

  100. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    nice catch stuckey

  101. YankFanCA August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Mick — be careful. Betsy is liable to strangle you with her worry beads.

  102. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Patrick Teale is picking the next big three pitchers to go a long way in the Bronx. It’s Bauelos, Betances and Brackman in order and Warren is the sleeper with 4 quality MLB pitches. From YES pre-game. Take it at your own risk.

  103. Jerkface August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Betsy, my point was you’d be as worried over Greinke as you are about Hughes and look what Greinke became.

    he did MUCH worse than Hughes in relief and 2 years after pitching in relief he broke out as a starter.

  104. pat August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    FrankiePiliere,

    the #Yankees members of the Phoenix Desert Dogs are: Craig Heyer, George Kontos, C. Joseph, Laird and Austin Romine

    Pat Venditte to Trenton tomorrow.

  105. Tank August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Damn… this place is feisty tonight… I love it!

  106. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    looks like gb has left the building…

  107. Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    There are no teachable moments on the internets.

  108. CB August 31st, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    “we’ll just have to wait and see how Phil turns out, won’t we? I don’t think that jibe was necessary. Everyone is entitled to their opinion..or are they?”

    Betsy-

    I mean this in all sincerity. My comment was particularly focused towards you in any way. I was making a general comment.

  109. pat August 31st, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    jnorris427 So, to reiterate, The Trentonian has it confirmed that Pat Venditte is coming to Trenton. One other, probably Jonathan Ortiz, will join.

  110. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Jerkface, I’m not worried about Phil…………why would I spend my time worrying about any player?

  111. LGY August 31st, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    CB,

    Following up on your statistics discussion in the last thread.

    If these problems are so present in baseball statistics, why hasn’t someone with a real statistical background spoke out against some of the theories, processes, results, etc.

    There have been tons of traditionalist vs sabremetric debates in the media, but from what you are saying the traditionalists are not even the best people suited to challenge these ideas.

  112. stuckey99 August 31st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Romine in the fall leagues?

    After his 2nd half swoon was attributed to exhaustion?

    Off, unless the Yankees will only send an a DH and occasional catcher and hope to get his bat righted..?

  113. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    # Tom in N.J. August 31st, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Mick’s a levitating clown!?
    ==================
    Yes I am and I’m looking down and laughing at some of you…not all…some are just pathetic.

  114. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    CB, I know – and I felt bad after I typed that. I was all riled up because I asked a question that I honestly didn’t know the answer to and I got grilled for it. I agree with your point, also. Andy really was a finished product when he got to the big leagues – plus, without the internet, you couldn’t follow his career so you couldn’t get to hyped up about him (or any prospect)

  115. Jerkface August 31st, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Jerkface, I’m not worried about Phil…………why would I spend my time worrying about any player?

    Come onnnnnn. Fine, then I’d hate to see what you’d think Greinke’s ceiling would have been in 2007, as he was put in the bullpen and didn’t do great.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Granted I am not as up on all of the posters as a lot of you here, but I would love to see a kumbaya effect right now if only because the closer it gets to 7, the more the buzzards will be circling, hoping to be able to pick the flesh off:

    Phil Hughes He’s not finishing off hitters. He’s garbage!

    Brett Gardner He should have bunted there. He’s garbage!

    Derek Jeter He can’t hit, he can’t field, he’s an overpaid bum. He’s garbage!

    Robby Cano He hasn’t had a hit in the last minute. He’s garbage!

    Nick Swisher He should have caught that ball. He’s garbage!

    Jorge Posada He should have thrown that runner out. He’s garbage!

    Marcus Thames Runners on base and he doesn’t hit them in. I told you it was a fluke. He’s garbage!

    Curtis Granderson He’s garbage irregardless! (they would say “irregardless”, guaranteed…)

    Ramiro Pena He shouldn’t even be in the game. He hasn’t had a hit or made a great throw in a day. He’s garbage!

    You know it’s coming so this should be the time to circle the wagons and at least celebrate that (I think) the majority here now are of the more rational type and likely wouldn’t use the word “garbage” to describe a Yankee player.

    KUMBAYA, GANG! All for one and one for all. Batten down the hatches. Hurricane Crybaby is making it’s way toward the lohud forum.

    :)

    The wah wah wambulance is broken down tonight. Too much activity from this forum, so I heard. They have to replace the engine. Protect your keyboard from cyberwailing and aggression!

  117. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Look what SJ started.

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Oh yeah, Manny Del Carmen to the Rockies.

  119. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Feel better now Trish?

  120. Unnamedsource August 31st, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    At 5:50 p.m. on 8/31/2010, Mike Ashmore, whose Trenton Thunder blog is linked on this page, posted that Newman had confirmed to him that Pat Venditte was being promoted from Tampa to Trenton and that Kontos and Van Benschoten were going from Trenton to Scranton. So I guess that means that at least two players currently at Scranton will be leaving. My guess is that one of Kontos or Van Benschoten will be a replacement for Albaladejo, whether Girardi has spoken with Cashman about Albaladejo coming to New York or not. Sounds like Cashman has spoken with Newman.

    If the Yankees want to bring back Moeller to the 40 man roster in a September callup, but aren’t ready to jettison either De La Rosa or Corona from the 40 man, an easy temporary fix would be to move Marte from the 15 day disabled list to the 60 day disabled list. Marte last pitched on 7/7/2010. The 60 day disabled list for Marte would be cost-free from a player availability standpoint since he would still be eligible to come off the 60 day list as early as 9/6/2010. It is my understanding that Marte is not going to be ready until after 9/6/2010 anyway. If both Aceves and Marte are subsequently ready to return to action, De La Rosa and Corona might be the most likely candidates to leave the 40 man roster.

  121. CB August 31st, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    “What do u think of Ivan Nova? Do you see him in the yankees rotation regularly in 2011 or 2012? or is he a trade bait during the offseason?”

    He’s going to get traded.

  122. ron August 31st, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    I would like too see hughes pitch well enough too give us a chance too win.With this team it is about winning first so if we can afford too let hughes develope while winning we will do so,if he get’s bombed because he is not developing properly he will be removed from the rotation.

    Right now he gives us a chance almost every time he pitches,if he didn’t he would not be pitching for us,simple as that.

    You have to perform too the point where there are no better options & right now there is not & hughes is doing fine.

  123. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    trisha, I’d prefer to hear Joan Baez sing “Farewell, Angelina” and “Lilly, Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts” to “Kumbaya”.

  124. Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Is anyone else having a difficult time accepting the fact that tomorrow is September 1st ????. Man it doesn’t seem all that long ago we were talking about March 17th as the time Spring Training games start to take on some importance for players…..Too fast this season went by….

  125. Yogi Mantle August 31st, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    But Gammons said Delcarmen was so incredible as a pitcher. This can’t be that the Saux traded him to the Rockies for a Single A player. Can’t be….

  126. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Pat M..
    We still have Happy New Year on the blackboard.

  127. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Nobody is taking Corona for their 40 man roster until he’s healthy enough to play and that will be next year.

  128. Yogi Mantle August 31st, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Too fast this season went by…

    Pat M., as we get older the years start passing like days. This whole year has gone in a flash. :(

  129. Betsy August 31st, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Jerkface, I obviously would have been wrong; that fact shouldn’t stop me or anyone else from having opinions.

  130. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Mick,

    LOL. All my fault! lol

    Pat M,

    Amazing isn’t it?

    Can’t believe I’m in Seattle next week to start my season.

    I feel like my off-season just started.

    Stuckey,

    My nephew is playing in Mesa in the AFL.

    It will be fun to check out he and Austin this Fall.

  131. Bx is Burning August 31st, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    “Too fast this season went by…”

    Yoda Mantle

  132. Tank August 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    “Can’t believe I’m in Seattle next week to start my season.

    Seahawks/Niners?

  133. mick August 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    # SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Girardi says “compete at a high level” all the time. Its manager-speak for him.

    He says it about every pitcher in almost every interview he gives.

    Nothing more than that.
    ====================
    SJ-You should know better than to take the bait.

  134. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    trisha, I’d prefer to hear Joan Baez sing “Farewell, Angelina” and “Lilly, Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts” to “Kumbaya”

    —————–

    Baez can sing “Farewell, Angelina,” but there’s no version of “Lily, Rosemary, and The Jack of Hearts” better than the original! Apparently there were several attempts to make the song into a film, one screenplay by a professional screenwriter, and one by Dylan himself. Once I found that out, I always have a good time trying to fit all the pieces of the song together in cinematic fashion as I listen.

  135. SAS August 31st, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Pat M.,

    It is our age….lol

  136. SJ44 August 31st, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Tank,

    Yes.

  137. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Romine’s bat isn’t as advanced as some people assume. he’s still got an outstanding bat, but, he needs time and about 2 more years will be about right. He didn’t wear down. He’s just doing what he always does. He drops off as he advances, but, he;s learning. One of the best things that he’s learned is to not interfere with the hitters swings. 12 interference calls last 2 years and 3 this year.

  138. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Baez’ version of Lili is exceptional, as are all of her Dylan covers.

  139. champ809 August 31st, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    GB

    I’d guarantee you that Ca$h would personally deliver those 3 players to the Dodgers for Kemp if given the chance.

    Kemp has the potential to be an elite player in the league along the Cano, ARod, Texiera line whereas no body from the triumvirate of Granderson/Nova/Romine would be considered to profile as elite.

    I happen to like all 3 players but they’d be wearing Dodger blue in a NY minute if they could get Kemp in ‘stripes!

    And please don’t confuse me with Chip or Kemp with the David DeJesus’ and Brad Hawpes’ of the baseball world.

  140. IIOIIOIIO August 31st, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    GB-

    Maybe it’s just a matter of taste, but the way she sings “Lily” takes away a lot of the mysterious, sinister feeling that made the original so enjoyable. Not to mention she slows it down considerably. But if we need to pick a song for a board-wide “Kumbaya,” maybe Baez version is more appropriate.

  141. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    A movie about Lily, Rosemary and The Jack Of Hearts would be along the same lines as Willie Nelson’s movie “Red Headed Stranger”.

  142. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    The best movie ever made that used Dylan’s music as soundtracks was “Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid”. Both music and movie were exceptional.

  143. Gehrig27 August 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Can you hear that?

    That is the sound the A’s bats make in fear of Phil’s pitching.

  144. Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Also, isn’t the 1 year anniversary coming up for Chad & The Lads since taking over the LoHud ????

  145. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Pat M. August 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
    Also, isn’t the 1 year anniversary coming up for Chad & The Lads since taking over the LoHud ????

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It was more like “Escape From The Planet Of The Ape”.

  146. tyanksfan36 August 31st, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Phil Hughes He’s not finishing off hitters. He’s garbage!

    Brett Gardner He should have bunted there. He’s garbage!

    Derek Jeter He can’t hit, he can’t field, he’s an overpaid bum. He’s garbage!

    Robby Cano He hasn’t had a hit in the last minute. He’s garbage!

    Nick Swisher He should have caught that ball. He’s garbage!

    Jorge Posada He should have thrown that runner out. He’s garbage!

    Marcus Thames Runners on base and he doesn’t hit them in. I told you it was a fluke. He’s garbage!

    Curtis Granderson He’s garbage irregardless! (they would say “irregardless”, guaranteed…)

    Ramiro Pena He shouldn’t even be in the game. He hasn’t had a hit or made a great throw in a day. He’s garbage!


    Haha Trish. I love it. That’s exactly how the board gets at game time.

  147. jesusmonterofordh August 31st, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    d@mm robbie smoked that ball

  148. jesusmonterofordh August 31st, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    tex is awesome.

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