Vazquez staying in the Yankees rotation
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Sep 04, 2010 
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After several weeks of back-and-forth with the rotation, Joe Girardi said he plans to stick with his starting five for now. That means, according to the current plan, Javier Vazquez will make his next scheduled start.
“My plan is for him to stay in the rotation,” Girardi said. “I can’t tell you exactly what’s going to happen. There are no guarantees in this game. When you start making guarantees as a manager, that’s when you get into trouble, but my plan is for him to pitch for us.”
Clearly frustrated, Vazquez didn’t seem so certain.
“Hopefully,” he said.
Vazquez said he couldn’t remember his reaction to being pulled in the fifth inning, but he said he was “very disappointed” to see Girardi coming out of the dugout. Almost immediately Vazquez threw his hands in the air, clearly upset at the inevitable decision.
“I really don’t remember what I did,” he said. “But if I did, I guess I was just surprised… Sometimes as a player you don’t agree with the decision that your manager makes, but he’s still the manager and you have to respect him.”
Girardi said more or less the same. He said he expected Vazquez to want to stay in the game, but he wanted a “fresh arm” in that situation.
“I don’t mind guys being competitors and wanting to stay in games,” Girardi said. “I would have a problem if Javy was calling me out to take him out. That I would have an issue with.”
Here’s Vazquez postgame.
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The great Pavano has been staked to a 9-0 lead.
Guess this’ll break his 3-game losing streak.
Can’t wait to see him in the post-season.
The Yankees had hopes that Javy Vazquez would win 12 games and eat innings. Lost in everything is that Boone Logan came in the same deal with Atlanta and he’s now the go to lefthander in the bullpen.
If Javy has been less than expected, then so has Melky Cabrera for the Braves.
Logan alone is worth losing Melky.
Kerry Wood and Boone Logan are reminders of the days of Jeff Nelson and Mike Stanton.
And therein lies the beauty of Girardi as a manager. Girardi believes in his players and he believes in giving them chances. The fact that he took Javy out when he did was not an indication that Javy wouldn’t see another start.
I think Girardi is a great (man)ager and a real humanist. He gets my vote all the way.
108 stitches, I have always believed that the beginning of the unraveling of the Yankees came when Torre made sure that Jeff Nelson was jettisoned from the team because he didn’t like that Nellie blitched to the press about relievers not being invited to the ASG. They were never able to duplicate the Stanon/Nelson to Mo setup, through they tried mightily.
Great night all!
Girardi only believes in vaz so much,it’s not unconditional with vaz & a few more.
So much so that vaz probably does not pitch in a playoff game,at least starting one.
Trisha :
Both Jeff Nelson and Mike Stanton made return trips to the Yankees later in their careers but by then, Joe Torre was in a full bullpen burnout mode.
The only one he dared not attempt to overuse was Mariano.
Girardi basically needs someone to eat innings. Javy almost got out of that 5th inning unscathed. A few mm to the left, and he might have only given up one run. Javy wasn’t good, could’ve gotten out of the 5th, but it’s obvious that Girardi needs to keep push for as many wins as he can until we get some separation.
As for the short Moseley outing, is Hughes going tomorrow? If he is, then he’s probably available to spell Hughes.
“Cliff Lee was hoping to throw a bullpen session Saturday, but it didn’t happen. He was able to throw off flat ground, but evidently his back is not feeling well enough for him to throw from the bump.”
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Poor Lee. Get as much rest as you need and get ready for next year.
Ouch! For the Rangers.
The thought of Vazquez as he #4 starter in the playoffs keeps me up at night.
I have concerns about Javy, but seriously, losing sleep over it? I have way more important things in my life than worrying about the 4th starter in the playoffs.
Well, perhaps the Yankees dodged a bullet by having teh Cliff Lee deal fall through. But what about next year? Bad backs don’t really go away. Is he going to be worth a blank check? Or is he a mistake waiting to happen?
Doreen, I believe that Lee’s problem was tissue related and not structural. They said he he had a knot in the lower back muscle.
OK, maybe I don’t lose sleep, but can the Yanks go with only 3 starters again like last year? Didn’t they change the rule about all those off days?
Nothing wrong with Vaz getting mad.
If I’m not mistaken, the Yankees have decided to do what other teams have been doing over the years and using 5 starters instead of 3. Seems to be working pretty well.
Why 3 starters? Can’t we choose 4 from Pettitte, CC, AJ, Phranchise, Nova and Vaz? 4 of those 6 will step up.
Also, doesn’t G. Lloyd get an honorable mention in there with stanton/nelson?
GB7
How you doing today?
I saw CB talking about Granderson needing to help cover RF today with Thames out there.
It reminded me of a LF for the Phillies tha played with his back to the CF.
Was it Luzinski(sp). I remember the guy could hit.
Vaz can’t honestly be too upset. He has not gained near enough trust to be left out there in the 5th. I mean CMON Javy. Your lucky to even still be given the ball in any capacity.
Yes, that’s correct they don’t have extra off days (it was stupid anyway – MLB bending over for the networks the way they did). But if #4 is the team’s only major concern, I think the Yankees are in pretty darn good shape.
So you wanted Vaz to smile and say oh well?
Thanks, GB7.
I guess that makes a difference, long-term? It’s not a disc?
Doreen
Be carefull.
GB7 proably just followed Dr. Hardy on the soaps so he thinks he knows something?
Looks like the Red Sox have the Yanks right where they want them.
Some of us said a couple of months ago that the Sox were out of this thing. It was obvious a long time ago.
Yet, people still chose to fear the Red Sox.
Nah I’m glad he is upset. But with that said pulling him was the right move for today
GB7, I was talking about 3 starters in the post season, like last year. I guess (unless Nova really has an outstanding Sept), we’ll just have to use Javy and hope for the best. And Girardi will have to have him on a short leash.
And if Javy was concerned with not getting the W today, well, he did get a win in relief. So he’s even now. : )
you people that worry about relief pitchers being burned out do realize that relief pitchers often make decisions that will give them effectiveness in the short run even though they know it will increase the odds that their career will be shorter.
for instance, pitchers who are getting hammered because their fastball is straight can get movement in either direction simply by having their landing foot be to the right or left of straight at the plate. i knew a relief pitcher who made it to the majors by throwing across his body knowing he’d get movement like a cutter and also knowing his arm would pay the price.
had he not done it , he’d probably have not had a major league career.
you could blame his managers and his pitching coaches because they knew what he was doing and they let him, but ultimately it was his decision.
if you ask a relief pitcher if he wants to be over used or to not be used at all , i think they’d opt out for the paycheck.
if anyone thinks these guys don’t make choices for themselves you are insulting their intelligence.
MaineYankee September 4th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
GB7
How you doing today?
I saw CB talking about Granderson needing to help cover RF today with Thames out there.
It reminded me of a LF for the Phillies tha played with his back to the CF.
Was it Luzinski(sp). I remember the guy could hit.
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Yeah, Greg Luzinski. He had legs like tree trunks. He was born to DH.
The Yanks have Sabathia, Hughes, Pettitte, Burnett, Vazquez and Nova. They also have Mitre, Moseley and Gaudin. They aren’t limited to 3 or 4.
MaineYankee September 4th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Doreen
Be carefull.
GB7 proably just followed Dr. Hardy on the soaps so he thinks he knows something?
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I also stayed at the Cloud Nine Motel. I’m not that good of a doctor.
oh boy,
Javy is scheduled to start two games versus the Rays, 9/15 and 9/21.
Hopefully, Andy can take his spot for the 9/21 game.
Doreen September 4th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Thanks, GB7.
I guess that makes a difference, long-term? It’s not a disc?
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Makes you wonder if it might not have been heat related. That weather is a killer, especially this year. We had a lot of heat casualties in the deserts, even keeping hydrated. a lot of muscle related injuries. These guys are almost well conditioned and have their traveling medical staff, but, that sort of thing sneaks up on you fast.
UnKnown September 4th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Vaz can’t honestly be too upset. He has not gained near enough trust to be left out there in the 5th. I mean CMON Javy. Your lucky to even still be given the ball in any capacity.
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Exactly its his own fault. The manager wouldn’t have a short leash on him if he was actually pitching well.
Afternoon, Randy. Texas had a good young pitcher a few years ago that threw across his body. The problem was, as you said, it wrecked him in about 3 year…..Roger Pavlik. As good as that made John smoltz, it cost his some injury filled years.
# Crash September 4th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
UnKnown September 4th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Vaz can’t honestly be too upset. He has not gained near enough trust to be left out there in the 5th. I mean CMON Javy. Your lucky to even still be given the ball in any capacity.
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Exactly its his own fault. The manager wouldn’t have a short leash on him if he was actually pitching well.
If he was pitching well he wouldn’t be mad. He’s mad because he isn’t pitching well. Understand?
How in Hell wants to have a player that’s happy about leaving a game early…for whatever reason. I want a guy that thinks he can get anyone out or hit anyone. I surely don’t want one that begs out because things get tight. I’m sure that Girardi and his team mates or any manager would feel the same way. Of course, that does ruin the “gutless coward” idea, doesn’t it?
“Who”
Jack Z under fire over the Lee trade.
Seems like he trade Lee for a rapist.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....eke02.html
I think Lee will be ok….but I’m glad the deal didn’t go down in hindsight more because the Yankees kept Montero than anything else.
I just texted my Red Sox fan buddy and asked him if they are planning a memorial in New England for the 2010 Sox….he replied. “Who are they”…lol.
That’s just a sad story all around, Robin.
One very minor thing that stands out is Jack Z’s ineptitude and/or naivety. You mean to say that no one in your office Googled or did any kind of background check on this prospect? I find that very difficult to believe.
# GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
How in Hell wants to have a player that’s happy about leaving a game early…for whatever reason. I want a guy that thinks he can get anyone out or hit anyone. I surely don’t want one that begs out because things get tight. I’m sure that Girardi and his team mates or any manager would feel the same way. Of course, that does ruin the “gutless coward” idea, doesn’t it?
Thank you.
I strongly disapprove of giving Vazquez starts at the expense of Nova.
blake
I’ve been having some pt on my shoulder and the guy doing it is a RS fan.
My first visit I had my Yankee hat on so I was concerned he’d hurt me rather than help me.
He really has been good natured about it but I try hard not to give him to hard a time.
My last visit I did ask him where the headstone was.
Another guy there asked him the difference between Fenway and Yankee Stadium in October.
They still sell hotdogs in Yankee Stadium.
Isn’t it a little too early to put Nova on a pedestal?
Fact is, he was no better than Vazquez was today.
Both guys struggled and, if Andy comes back healthy, neither guy is starting in the post-season.
Right now though, neither guy distinguished himself this weekend.