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Burnett and his shutdown innings

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A.J. Burnett talked this afternoon about giving up the lead. He seemed to believe the Yankees had given him a lead more than once, and that he had coughed it up each time. Truth is, that never happened. Burnett let the Orioles take the lead three times, but the Yankees were never in front.

Non-existent lost leads seemed be just another way in which Burnett was far less impressed by his start than either his manager or his teammates.

Joe Girardi: “I thought it was a good step forward. I thought his stuff was very good today. He didn’t really have his changeup today, but his curveball and his fastball were very good. He got in some situations that he wiggled his way out of; a first and second with nobody out and didn’t give up a run. He pitched pretty well.”

Burnett: “I was what, 0-for-3 on shutdown innings? Two or three. It was a good start, I appreciate that statement (from Girardi), but we should have been in that game.”

Derek Jeter: “I really thought he threw the ball well. He had a good breaking ball. They scrapped for a couple of runs off him, but like Girardi said, it was a step in the right direction. There were a lot of positives that came out of today.”

Burnett: “I’ll look at the positive tomorrow. I’m a little too upset about everything else. I wish I could tell you guys more, but to come out and start a game like that and get the lead and then blow it three times, that’s the story of the day.”

Alex Rodriguez: “A.J. looked good. He was one pitch away from having a really, really good start. (Brian) Roberts is a tough hitter and (in the seventh) he got a huge two-out hit – he got two of them today – and today that was the big difference.”

Burnett: “It’s not about my seventh. It’s my whole day in general. I take pride in shutdowns. I’ve said it six times already, sorry I keep repeating it, but nothing else happened today. I wasn’t able to shut them down when we scored.”

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140 Responses to “Burnett and his shutdown innings”

  1. Crawdaddy September 6th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    I call BS on what Girardi and the rest of AJ’s teammates said about his performance today. He should have been pulled after the 6th inning.

  2. ET September 6th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    “I think Joe was expecting his lineup to score more runs.”

    That was probably part of his thinking too. That we could scratch out 1 run at least in 3 innings against their pen.

  3. Carl September 6th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Another thing. A-God is the best player on the team. Not Tex or Cano. Thanks.

  4. SJ44 September 6th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Good focus AJ. Not even knowing the game situations.

    This is the guy Girardi treated like CC today in the way he kept him in the game.

    The sooner he handles him the way Torre handled Kenny Rogers starts, the better chance he will give his team to win the games he starts.

    He shouldn’t be given any more rope than Nova or Vazquez. He hasn’t earned it this year.

    The Yankees have never had a starting pitcher endure a 3-11 stretch, AJ’s current stretch, on any Yankee team that has been 30 games or more over .500.

    He’s been historically bad.

    Worse than Kenny Rogers. Worse than Hideki Irabu and worse than Jose Contreras.

    The sooner Joe realizes this, the faster he can manage his outings in a way that gives his team the best chance to win in his starts.

    Today was not one one of those days.

  5. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Does he know that Cervelli was catching?

  6. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    If they had hit any at all, they would have won. They had a chance to win and the offense fell asleep at the switch.

  7. Tex September 6th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    it’s games like this that turned Billy Martin into an alcoholic.

    I mean, I need a stiff drink, right now.

  8. jackamir September 6th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    I think Girardi was trying to be Dr. Freud today. Giving AJ every opportunity to come out with something possitive. He is not consistent with his support. He pulled Javy & Nova early and rightfully so but he let AJ hang himself. Maybe he left AJ in one inning too much.

  9. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Instead of recognizing his players shortcomings, Girardi managed today based on what his player “should” theoretically be able to do.

    If Gardner is a terrible bunter, then don’t pretend he can bunt, especially when he gets on base at such a high clip.

    If AJ can’t hold a lead, don’t keep sending him out there to lose it.

    The sooner Girardi adjusts to what his players can do, instead of should be able to do, especially when it comes to AJ, the team will be much better off in the postseason.

  10. 108 stitches September 6th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    If the ALDS started tomorrow, C.C. is obviously the Game 1 starter. Burnett would clearly not be the Game 2 starter unless Girardi is satisfied being 1-1 with a day of travel to either Minnesota or Texas.

  11. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Gardner wasn’t any better swing the bat today (or in most cases, looking at 3rd strikes down the middle). He’s a singles hitter. You can’t even call him a singles and doubles hitter, because he doesn’t do that either. He’s going to strike out over 100 times this year in barely 500 at bats. That’s unacceptable in any league.

  12. Tyler September 6th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I think the playoff rotation will go CC, Hughes ( I think they give Hughes the home start), Pettite, and at this point I would still go with AJ. I like that AJ at least has the potential to give a dominant outing (even if that potential gets rarer and rarer as the days pass). Javy has been garbage in the rotation recently but has looked good in long relief so I would employ him as a long reliever and he would be a nice contrast if AJ gets knocked out early. just my opinion though…

  13. Carl September 6th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    # Tyler September 6th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I think the playoff rotation will go CC, Hughes ( I think they give Hughes the home start), Pettite, and at this point I would still go with AJ. I like that AJ at least has the potential to give a dominant outing (even if that potential gets rarer and rarer as the days pass). Javy has been garbage in the rotation recently but has looked good in long relief so I would employ him as a long reliever and he would be a nice contrast if AJ gets knocked out early. just my opinion though…

    Hughes has given up 17 home runs at home. Not smart at all to give Hughes a home start.

  14. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    He’s going to strike out over 100 times this year in barely 500 at bats. That’s unacceptable in any league.

    He is only at 85 K’s. Mark Teixeira and Nick Swisher are both closer to 100 in 500 ABs. So I guess they are unacceptable? Gardner is second on the team in walks. He has walked 20 times more than Derek Jeter in 200 less plate appearances. Derek Jeter is pretty unacceptable. Jeter has also struck out more.

  15. Pepitone September 6th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    That was for public consumption.

    What they say to the press, and what they say in the clubhouse, is two different things.

    I agree with SJ, enough with this guy already! He’s been given more than enough chances to get himself straightened out and he fails, not once or twice, but every time he goes out there.

    I would prefer Moseley, or Mitre over this guy. Maybe next season he can get back on track, but this season it ain’t happening, so move on Joe.

  16. blake September 6th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    I take it there will be no cheers for the Rays tonight because Boston just isn’t far enough out of it? ;).

    Let’s have a big collective Go Red Sox! They can play spoiler like the Jays and Orioles this year.

  17. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    He’s going to strike out over 100 times this year in barely 500 at bats. That’s unacceptable in any league.

    He is only at 85 K’s. Mark Teixeira and Nick Swisher are both closer to 100 in 500 ABs. So I guess they are unacceptable? Gardner is second on the team in walks. He has walked 20 times more than Derek Jeter in 200 less plate appearances. Derek Jeter is pretty unacceptable. Jeter has also struck out more

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    They also provide more power and run production. A lot more.

  18. Carl September 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    http://nymag.com/news/sports/games/67967/

    CC Sabathia in NYMAG

  19. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    “He’s going to strike out over 100 times this year in barely 500 at bats. That’s unacceptable in any league.”

    —————————

    Why is it unacceptable?

    It is not like he is on pace to strike out 150 times. He is on pace for 101 Ks.

  20. Carl September 6th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    # Carl September 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    http://nymag.com/news/sports/games/67967/

    CC Sabathia in NYMAG

    Scratch that. It’s just a picture of CC…

  21. Carl September 6th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    # Carl September 6th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    # Carl September 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    http://nymag.com/news/sports/games/67967/

    CC Sabathia in NYMAG

    Scratch that. It’s just a picture of CC…

    Don’t read this. Don’t!

  22. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    The past 2 weeks Gardner has a .353 BA, .531 OBP, and .471 SLG.

  23. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    They also provide more power and run production. A lot more.

    Gardner has 40 steals. Give him 40 extra bases. Who is scoring the runs that Swisher and Tex are driving in? Oh yea, Gardner. He also provides better and more important defense than Swisher and Tex.

    Also he see’s the most pitches on the team and makes the least amount of outs, thereby giving players like Tex and Swish more plate appearances in which to use THEIR skills.

    Really the deadest weight on this team is Derek Jeter.

  24. Tyler September 6th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    I didn’t realize so many of Hughes homers have come at home. I was thinking more in terms of Pettite handling what will be a very hostile road crowd at either Texas or Minnesota but Hughes has shown mental toughness in the past. The rotation is scary (in a bad way right now) but there is still plenty of time for it to right itself out. It does help to have an ace like CC though to get you started and build momentum

  25. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Only 6 players in all of baseball have a higher BB% than Gardner.

    His BB/K ratio is 0.84. 13th in MLB.

  26. 108 stitches September 6th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Boston is doing their level best to help the Yankees. Yeah, sure …………………..

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....tra_bases/

  27. m September 6th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    But none of that matters because he’s not even a singles hitter. :roll:

    So I guess we lost today because Gardner couldn’t lay down a bunt?

  28. tyanksfan36 September 6th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I think the bottom line is the Yankees should have scored more than 3 runs. Yes AJ blew it it but if he hadn’t, the game would still have gone into extra innings since the Os pitched 3 scoreless innings in relief and they way the yankees were not hitting, I think its safe to say the Orioles probably would have won after all.

  29. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    I think we lost today because they squandered Jeter’s leadoff double.

    You can’t leave the Captain hanging like that. It sets a poor tone.

  30. Tar September 6th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Who is the 4th starter this post season?

    If you Answer AJ, then you understand why Joe stuck with him today.

    If not than I understand your frustration.

    I think the Yankees think AJ is the 4th starter (maybe 3rd if Andy has a setback) so It doesn’t bother me so much. Getting him right before the post season is more important than today’s game. I also wonder if there was any pre-game meetings about how long to stick with AJ, possibly with Cash involved?

    But, I still don’t understand why Logan couldn’t face Roberts in the 7th.

  31. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Unfortunate as it may be, AJ has “seniority” that Nova and Javy do not have. Javy is likely not here next season; Nova is an unknown, really. AJ has a contract and will be here. It means the way he is treated and the “leash” he is given is different by necessity.

    My husband and I were talking about AJ at dinner. He says all you need to do is look in his eyes and you see something is missing. He said even Joba doesn’t look like that. AJ acts as if he doesn’t really understand how he got to be an ML pitcher.

    I like the guy. But, and I don’t say things like this lightly, he’s not in the right profession. For people who have said in the past that AJ should be in the bullpen — how in the world can you think that?

    The offense didn’t do well – Gardner needs to do something about bunting. I know he worked over the winter on it. But he doesn’t believe in it. If you don’t believe in something you won’t be able to do it. He may feel it will pigeon-hole him; someone needs to show him how it enhances his game, not limits it. He needs to be able to bunt well enough to (a) put the idea in opposite team’s heads and (b) be able to bunt a freakin’ runner over in a small ball situation.

    Pitchers in the NL can all bunt for a sacrifice. What’s the big freakin’ deal?????? I think it’s ego.

  32. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    They’ve lost games because of what he doesn’t do, not because of what he does. How many times has he botched a bunt….stood at the plate and watched 3 strikes down the middle…stood at first base instead of running, and that doesn’t count that he’s stood there after being put in as a pinch runner and never moved. He strikes out 21% of his official at bats. If you find that acceptable for the type of hitter he is, you’re dead wrong.

  33. longtimefan September 6th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    It is hard to listen to Girardi’s postgames. More spin on AJ. As Susan Waldman said on the radio, going into the post season with CC and 4 ?’s is not good. Gardner lets too many good pitches go by without swinging and then usually strikes out, what good is going to full counts if ultimately you make an out. With the small number of games left, every game is important.

  34. m September 6th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Doreen,

    I don’t think it’s ego with Brett. He was out early working bunts in the cage before a game this week.

  35. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    m -

    I didn’t see your post till after I posted my last “say,” but I don’t think they lost because Gardner can’t bunt. That would help, but Matusz was good, the closer was good, I think the offense presses more when AJ is on the mound.

    Frankly, I figured they’d lose this game anyway; I figured Matusz was going to pitch well and AJ would be AJ. I figured the next two games are more winnable.

  36. JT September 6th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    AJ was better today. Not great, but better.

    Gardner doesn’t get a bunt down and Wieters makes a picture-perfect to get Golson.

    Sometimes its just not your day.

  37. tyanksfan36 September 6th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    There has to be something mental with why the team does so well without Arod in the lineup. Like they know someone has to step it up without him but when he is there they rely on him to win the game? I’m a big believer in coincidence but those numbers are too drastic to be by chance.

  38. Robin September 6th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Boston is starting 4 rookies tonight.

    Oh brother.

    I understand that they’re trying to beef up the rookies’ stats so they can deal them this winter, but how much ya wanna bet, they don’t play any rookies when the Yankees come to town.

  39. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    I’ve always been a Gardner fan. I like his game and I like what he does for this team.

    The thing about Gardner is that he’s not exactly a gifted baseball player. He doesn’t have great baseball instincts and he’ll probably never be a potent hitter.

    His ticket has always been his speed and the rest of his game is still a little rough around the edges, so he’s still learning how to play this game.

    But that doesn’t mean he can’t be an extremely useful and productive major leaguer. He has tremendous value to this team and he’s the reason they won’t be interested in Crawford this offseason.

    Gardner is getting better but he’s going to have games where he looks like he has no idea what he’s doing out there.

  40. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Doreen,

    I just don’t think it is fair for fans to expect Gardner to have perfected every part of his game already. He is still a young player and in his first full year starting.

    He spent all winter reworking his swing with Long and has had a great season. With this year under his belt, he should be able to add the extra little things to his game to make him even better.

  41. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    m -

    What is it then? At some level he must not want to bunt. He is a small guy. Stereotypically, small guys bunt. I know I am treading where I shouldn’t, but maybe on some level, he doesn’t want to be seen as “that kind” of player – the small guy who can only bunt. On some level. Or maybe because he had to work harder at every level to prove he belonged and could do it and hit .300.

    I don’t know.

    I like Gardner. I am impressed with so much of his game. The idea that he can’t bunt absolutely boggles my mind though. With his speed, man –

    I don’t know. I probably mispoke a bit about “ego,” I am in a weird place emotion-wise and that probably has a lot to do with that.

  42. m September 6th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    And Brett hit the go ahead run in a 1 run game this week.

    Brett sure gets a lot of grief. Goodness gracious.

  43. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    I’m not blaming Gardner for the loss, but… out early working on bunts in September?

    Great, what took so long?

  44. Carl September 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    # Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    I’m not blaming Gardner for the loss, but… out early working on bunts in September?

    Great, what took so long?

    haha

  45. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    They’ve won more games because of Gardner than lost due to whatever imaginary problems you’re imagining in his game.

    With such sterling analysis as that, can we also say that most of the games the yankees have lost could be blamed on Jeter? he doesnt take pitches, strikes out as much as Gardner, doesn’t move runners, swings wildly, doesn’t hit, doesn’t hit for power, doesn’t get on base.

    Aren’t you supposed to be one of the reasonable people?

    Gardner has made the least amount of outs for the Yankees this season. Somehow that adds up to losing games?

    And couldn’t the same thinking apply to every Yankee? We’ve certainly lost games because Posada cannot run fast, and can be impatient. We’ve lost games because Thames inability to play D. We’ve lost games because Pena and Cervelli can’t hit and at times have trouble fielding. We’ve lost games because Alex and Cano can press. We’ve lost games because Tex has trouble with offspeed stuff and isn’t fast.

    The Yankees have not lost games due to 1 players failings. IF Gardner stole a base you thought he should have stolen, there is no telling what happens after. If he struck out, so what? its 1 out, and he has made less of them than most Yankees on the team.

    Its silly logic. Gardner has been an extremely valuable asset, just like most of the Yankees on the team, and losses can’t be placed at the feet of any 1 position player because they work as a team to defend and score runs.

    If Gardner was a pitcher and blowing games open, sure, whatever, but he isn’t.

  46. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    LGY -

    I thought it was Swisher who reworked his swing with Long. I hadn’t heard about Gardner reworking his swing over the winter with Long. I did read that he worked a lot on bunting. But he still can’t do it when he needs to. How hard can it be? Pitchers have been doing it for years. Sacrifice bunts should be easy. And for a guy who has the speed Brett Gardner has – he has to take bunting skills more seriously. It makes no sense to me.

  47. Carl September 6th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Wish Montero would get the call :( I don’t want to wait until next year :(

  48. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    43% of Gardner’s strike outs are looking. And he has the worst strike zone of any yankee statistically with more than 140 balls called strikes against him. Yet he still makes the least number of outs and gets on base the most of out any Yankee.

  49. m September 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Doreen,

    I have no issues with what you’re saying. But others make like Brett shouldn’t even be in the majors. He’s top 15 in WAR. Near top 10 in OBP. But no, he’s a 4th OF.

    If anything his eye is too good. Some of those called strike 3′s are actually balls. ;)

  50. torrey September 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Don’t underestimate the importance of having Thames in the outfield. He has no speed and his arm is inaccurate. He wasn’t even close to the cutoff man on those throws to the plate. It is not as if they don’t have anyone else to play o.f.

  51. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I thought it was Swisher who reworked his swing with Long. I hadn’t heard about Gardner reworking his swing over the winter with Long.

    On XM radio this winter he said he had a hitting program worked out with Kevin Long to refine his swing. He wasn’t sacrificing this game. He setup after the pitcher was delivering the ball, so it was more a half attempt to bunt for a hit.

  52. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Why won’t Gardner cork his bat?

    Ego?

  53. PittsburghYankeeFan September 6th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Man

    You would have thunk the Yankees were eliminated today, from the comments.

    Boston officially has given up tonight.

    The next three weeks are about planning the postseason, and how to handle a shaky staff.

    I personally think we’re going to get a fairly fresh, August-like Andy Pettitte. You know, the 6-0 kind? So there’s your number 2.

    With the BP they have, just getting 4-5 innings out of either Hughes or AJ should be enough. I’m not sure which one is better. Javy goes to the BP–if he’s even on the PS roster.

    They’re the best team in the league–by far. Anything can happen in the post-season, but I’d be surprised if they don’t go far.

  54. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Doreen,

    Gardner changed his swing with Long as well.

    Why does he have to take bunting so seriously? It is not like he is struggling with his current skillset. He has been one of the best players on the Yankees this season.

    I am much happier he has spent his time improving the other aspects of his game. Being able to bunt is only going to make him marginally better, if better at all, because that is taking away at bats from him and he has been great at getting on base.

  55. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    But I want to repeat – I don’t think they lost this game because Gardner couldn’t bunt. The game was lost before that.

    And I agree with Nick in SF – whether or not he had tongue firmly implanted in cheek – once they stranded Jeter’s Jeterian double in the first, I did not have good vibes on this game.

  56. tyanksfan36 September 6th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    I like Gardner, he is probably one of my favorite batters to watch especially when he fouls pitches off. Some days he simply looks lost at the plate and he strikes out looking which is my biggest pet peeve of all batters. I say go out swinging cause at least you’re putting forth effort. I think they said he has fouled off over 170 2 strike pitches, tops in the league.
    I honestly think he has been very valuable to the team this year he has a good outfield arm and speed and he steals bases(though not so often)
    I’d hate to see the Yankees get rid of him, I think he still has a lot more development in his future and will only get better.

  57. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    I think even if Gardner got the bunt down the Yankees still would have been in trouble. It was stupid to take away 2 of Gardner’s strikes with a bunt attempt. After him was Jeter, and we saw the result there.

    Why put 1 out on the board with Jeter coming up to bat?

  58. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    They’ve lost games because of what he doesn’t do, not because of what he does. How many times has he botched a bunt….stood at the plate and watched 3 strikes down the middle…stood at first base instead of running, and that doesn’t count that he’s stood there after being put in as a pinch runner and never moved. He strikes out 21% of his official at bats. If you find that acceptable for the type of hitter he is, you’re dead wrong.

    —————————————

    What kind of analysis is this?

    You can say that about any player in MLB, because every single one of them has weaknesses.

    Why is it not acceptable? Saying you are dead wrong doesn’t prove anything.

  59. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    At least the Giants won. Just now!

  60. Joe from Long Island September 6th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    GF – you’re right. Brett does not appear to be a natural baseball player, a la Jeter or Alex. And I’m not talking talent. He’s gotten this far by shear hard work, and using his speed. He has to work at it, every play. That’s why he takes a while before stealing, he’s really trying to sort it out.

    We’ll find out in the off season what the Yankees really think of Brett, if he’s a keeper long term. Carl Crawford and Matt Kemp becken.

    Time to get to the grill. Lamb chops. Later.

  61. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Gardner has one major baseball skill. He’s extremely fast. Take away half of those 28 infield hits and he’s hitting .250. Even Juan Pierre does a better job with his one skill than Gardner. Pierre spends at least 20 mintues a day, working on bunts of both types…sacs and bunt hits. Is that beneath Gardner to do that?

    Nobody’s laying all of the blame on Burnett, but, his job is to move runners, steal bases and advance on the bases to score runs. His job is to do a better job of bunting the ball. He’s borderline pathetic at it.

  62. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Jerkface/LGY -

    I genuinely did not know about Gardner working with Long this past winter.

    But I know that there was a write-up about him working hours and hours on his bunting skills. If I had not read that, I would not have had the expectations I have about his being able to bunt, even thoughI think it is foolish for a player with his speed to not be able to bunt for a base hit.

    As far as bunting to sacrifice, I think every major league player should be able to lay down a successful sac bunt a majority of times they are called upon to do it, no matter what league they play in.

    Gardner has turned out to be a very, very good player for the Yankees. I no longer lust for Carl Crawford in left.

  63. m September 6th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    F

  64. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    I have no issues in keeping Gardner instead of replacing him with a Carl Crawford. Gardner is an athlete playing baseball, and he does pretty well…but, he’s not doing what he should do to maximize his talents. He should be able to add another 25 hits to his totals. His other problem is his pacifity at the plate and on the bases. It’s almost as if he’s afraid to swing the bat or run.

  65. m September 6th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Ok, GB7. You’re entitled to your opinion.

  66. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I wish we could take away half of your posts. Take away half of anyones anything and they are garbage. Take away half of A-rods HRs and he sucks. Jeter is already half a player.

    Gardner has 3 solid baseball skills: Strike zone recognition, ability to foul off pitches, great speed.

  67. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    He has fouled off 285 2 strike pitches this season.

  68. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    “Gardner has one major baseball skill. He’s extremely fast. Take away half of those 28 infield hits and he’s hitting .250. Even Juan Pierre does a better job with his one skill than Gardner. Pierre spends at least 20 mintues a day, working on bunts of both types…sacs and bunt hits. Is that beneath Gardner to do that?

    Nobody’s laying all of the blame on Burnett, but, his job is to move runners, steal bases and advance on the bases to score runs. His job is to do a better job of bunting the ball. He’s borderline pathetic at it.”

    ———————————————-

    Having the 6th highest walk rate in ALL of MLB is not skill?

    Having the highest OBP on a team full of superstars in not a major baseball skill?

    Juan Pierre is terrible. If Pierre couldn’t bunt, he would barely be an MLB player. Gardner is a much better baseball player than Gardner.

    Why exactly does Gardner need to spend all that time bunting like a marginal player like Pierre does?

    Gardner is hitting .285 this year with a .392 OBP.

    How much better is bunting going to make him? Really, is bunting going to make him better at all?

    Is he going to hit for a higher average? Is he going to get on base more? Is he going to strike on less?

  69. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Joe,

    Seems like you’re grilling something good almost every night. And you never thought of inviting your LoHud friends?

    Shame on you.

  70. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Gardner should be able to do at least what Pierre and Scott Posednik does, only better. He’s a better athlete. They use every ounce of talent they have.

  71. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Gardner has also been very good at throwing out baserunners.

  72. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Gardner has swung ‘early’ in the count (0-0,1-0,0-1,2-0,2-1,1-1) 258 times.

    Predictably a lot of these were fouls, because he isn’t a great hitter. If you say he is passive, fine, but I think you’re equating passiveness with ‘not getting a hit’. Gardner swings, but he produces a lot of fouls with his swing. It doesnt mean he isnt aggressive. Or needs to be more aggressive.

    You’re all placing a ceiling on him with how you THINK he should perform, but with no idea if it is within his capabilities.

  73. tyanksfan36 September 6th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Gardner is in his first full season playing regularly. Give him time to develop. The thing with the Yankees historically is that they have not let their players develop(minus the core 4) if they shipped Cano off in 2006 cause he wasn’t doing well, the yankees would be kicking themselves seeing how well he is doing. Sometimes you have to let the player develop on their own.
    Carl Crawford probably didn’t steal as much in his first year either. He has been around 10 yrs so he is very comfortable stealing bases, its also what the Rays are all about. Not a game goes by that at least one of those guys don’t attempts to steal a base. Gardner will figure it out eventually. He has 40 stolen bases, Crawford doesn’t have that many more. I know he doesn’t steal everytime he gets on first.

  74. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Did you really just ask why should he bunt more often? Would it raise his batting average? Get him on base more? Strike out less? This is either a joke or you are a lost cause.

  75. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    If Gardner attempted to bunt for a hit once per game, removing 1 PA from each game with a bunt attempt, what affect would that have on his number of walks and hits??

    You’re removin an opportunity for him to walk or get a hit by employing a method which can only have 2 outcomes. Out or single.

    If Gardner attempts to hit in an at bat, it could conceivably also end in a walk. Same as if he was tryin to walk.

    So Maybe his AVG, somehow, climbs to .300 due to bunt hits, but his OBP decreases by an equal amount because lost opportunities to foul off pitches and walk.

  76. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    What people are forgetting about bunting is that takes away one at bat from what he has done already.

    So, lets say he was a good bunter and had bunted a lot more this year. That is potentially one less single or one less BB. That is less pitches he is taking, because he is going to be bunting early in the count.

    If Gardner bunts more often, it may not even make his numbers any better. You can’t just add his potential bunt hits to his total. You also have to subtract the results of his other at bats that he would be bunting in now.

    It could benefit him to be a better bunter, but his career is not going to turn on that as he has already had a great season without bunting.

  77. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    “Did you really just ask why should he bunt more often? Would it raise his batting average? Get him on base more? Strike out less? This is either a joke or you are a lost cause.”

    —————————–

    If I am a lost cause explain it to me.

    How is him bunting more going to make his numbers better?

  78. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    “You’re removin an opportunity for him to walk or get a hit by employing a method which can only have 2 outcomes. Out or single.”

    Wrong again, Jerkface. Gardner is so bad at bunting that he would bunt the ball foul twice most of those times he tried to bunt for a hit and then he’d work the count and end up with a walk, a hit, or an out.

  79. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Gardner was a lot better bunter in the minors. Does he have to stop bunting so he isn’t insulted? Rizzuto, Cobb, Wills, Reese all bunted for sacrifices and for hits. Richardson, Brian Roberts, Suzuki, Carew? All better players that had no issues with bunting for hits.

  80. m September 6th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    People wanted him to bunt for hits because they wanted him to get more hits and to open up the defense.

    He can hit now without bunting for singles. But I’d like him to work the sac bunts. Which he might beat out for infield singles. Win-win!

  81. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    If Gardner’s only real skill is his speed, then having him on base as often as possible best utilizes that speed, correct?

    Having him standing on first base so he can steal is what we want to see most often from Brett Gardner, right?

    Gardner has a .392 OBP this season meaning that he is standing on 1B a whole lot.

    But you want him to bunt more and therefore take away from his walks, potentially reducing the number of times he gets to 1B?

    Don’t really understand that.

  82. JM September 6th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Just back from the game. Matusz had the hitters off balance all day. Posada in particular looked terrible. Still, they had three innings of the O’s mostly putrid pen and could not score.

    Watching AJ pitch, even he’s not doing that badly, is so frustrating. So many long at-bats, full counts, so many pitches fouled off. Reminds me of Joba in the rotation last year. Overall a very frustrating game. Luckily CC goes tomorrow.

  83. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    And one of the major benefits of hitting for a higher average, which Gardner could do by bunting more, is to drive in runs.

    In a lot of cases we will sacrifice some OBP in order to get a higher average, because that results in more run production. We will take less walks for more hits because of those extra RBIs. Nick Swisher for example.

    How exactly is Brett Gardner going to drive in runs by bunting?

  84. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    If Gardner bunted 81 times over a season, at worst, he’s have an additional 25-30 hits. Even if he would have possibly added 25 hits in those 81 at bats at best when swinging the bat. What would those extra hits add to his runs and those of hitters behind him? Instead of 25 hits, he’s got 50-55 hits in those 81 at bats. His speed would allow that amount of bunt hits, even on only fair bunts.

  85. m September 6th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    You’re acting like he doest want to do it. I think you’re wrong there. It’s a matter of he can’t right now. Not for lack or trying.

    I don’t think the Yankees are as unsatisfied or angry with Gardner as you are. I think they appreciate what he can do and brings to the table. I think they’re willing to be patient and develop him so that he can be a better player.

  86. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    He sure as Hell isn’t going to drive in any runs by popping up bunts or striking out, is he?

  87. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    He sure as Hell isn’t going to drive in any runs by popping up bunts or striking out, is he?

    Which he does at less of a rate than every other Yankee. He has a near .400 OBP, how much more do you think you are going to squeeze out of him???

  88. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Gardner isn’t meant to drive in runs, he is meant to be driven in as a run. He gets on base 40% of the time. He steals 40+ bases.

    There isn’t really much to improve on. Despite this, Gardner is working to improve. Even if the results aren’t there yet.

  89. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Wait a second.

    Are you claiming that by bunting 81 times this season, at worst Gardner would be hitting .345 to .357 (an additional 25-30 hits)?

    We can simply add those 25-30 hits to his numbers without any regard to subtracting some of the other hits he had?

    You are expecting Gardner to be a .350 hitter by bunting?

  90. pat September 6th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Woo Hoo Big Papi :sad:

    I just can’t get into this rooting for the Sox thing.

  91. pat September 6th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Woo Hoo Back to Back :sad:

  92. JM September 6th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Yeah, it sure is strange to root for the Sox. Niemann is melting down for Tampa.

  93. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    LGY,

    You see, it works if you consider that Gardner is so smart (look at the size of his head!) that he would only bunt when he would have made an out.

  94. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    I think Gardner should know how to bunt , sac and for a hit. If only to give him another option at the plate. I don’t think he should be using it willy nilly to the detriment of his more solid skills (getting on base via regular hit and walk).

    But if he is slumping, why not drop down a bunt or two?

  95. Nick in SF September 6th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Woo Hoo Big Beltre!

  96. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    If Gardner knows he is going to make an out on 2 pitches or less, he should probably bunt. The fact he doesn’t do this now is unacceptable.

  97. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    And, unfortunately, for all his stolen bases, and he is up there with the leaders, so let’s not diminish them, he does “stand on first base” a little too much. Getting to first base is great. But if you don’t move beyond it?

    And there’s something screwy here about walks vs. hits. It’s great if you can work a walk. Terrific. But if you can put the ball in play, beat the ball to first and force an overthrow and end up on second, isn’t that better???

    Isn’t what we hear that speed is a dimension of the game that can really mess with defenses? So isn’t it better if you’re putting the ball in play rather than taking the walk, if you can? And Gardner’s speed is such that he should be able to capitalize on this.

    But if you get to first and show that you’re not going to make a move until everything is perfect, the you’re also not making the most of your skill set. Creating havoc is what speed does – if it’s used.

    I do understand that Gardner is still kind of a rookie, and is still learning the pitchers, etc. But he is so fast, he could probably be a little less defensive and be successful a good percentage of the time. You don’t have to be 100%.

  98. tyanksfan36 September 6th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Pat
    I could root for the Red Sox any day they play the Rays. Being from Tampa and having to listen to annoying bandwagon Rays fans antagonize me for being a Yankees fan because I am a tampa native is annoying. Go Sox(for the next 3 days)!

  99. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    Wait a second.

    Are you claiming that by bunting 81 times this season, at worst Gardner would be hitting .345 to .357 (an additional 25-30 hits)?

    We can simply add those 25-30 hits to his numbers without any regard to subtracting some of the other hits he had?

    You are expecting Gardner to be a .350 hitter by bunting?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    In 81 at bats, he’s going to get about 22-23 hits by swinging the bat. Bunting in those other at bats, assuming he learns how to bunt decently, he could add anywhere to 23-30 more hits, figuring that he’ll fail at least 1/3rd of those times. Suzuki does it nearly very year, collecting 45-60 infield hits. Carew did it for years.

  100. Tar September 6th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Personally I am giving Gardner a free pass on bunting because I feel he has made great strides in other areas of his game.

    But he is a speed guy who is a pathetic bunter. Has to be kind of embarassing to him at the least.

    Jerkface

    why do you feel it’s important to disparage Jeter in a majority of your posts.? What is your issue exactly with the all time Yankee hit leader? Or are you just trying to win friends and influence people? Enquiring minds want to know.

  101. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Jerkface -

    That’s what I’m going for – adding the bunt as another dimension to his play. That’s all.

    He’s a really, really good player. I think he can be even better.

  102. tyanksfan36 September 6th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Neimann hasn’t pitched well since his shoulder injury and stint on the DL. If the Yanks only have Pettitte do one rehab start then his next major league start coming off the DL would be against Tampa on Tuesday and ill be at that game. If it doesn’t go well ill just remind everyone around me how well Neimann has done since getting off the DL

  103. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Does Brett Gardner have Ichiro’s bat control? Or Carew?

  104. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Jerkface,

    I agree with that. If he is going through a slump it can’t hurt like Jeter has done at times throughout his career. He should get better at it with more experience and more practice.

  105. m September 6th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Doreen,

    Yes he’s more passive than we’d like. But the pitchers are part of the equation, too. Throwing over to first base endless times.

  106. pat September 6th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    The value of Gradner putting the ball in play rather than walking comes from his speed forcing the defense to make mistakes.

    That being said, someone with his speed should know how to sac bunt and bunt for a hit to truly maximize their game.

  107. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    “In 81 at bats, he’s going to get about 22-23 hits by swinging the bat. Bunting in those other at bats, assuming he learns how to bunt decently, he could add anywhere to 23-30 more hits, figuring that he’ll fail at least 1/3rd of those times. Suzuki does it nearly very year, collecting 45-60 infield hits. Carew did it for years.”

    ———————————-

    So you are saying that we can simply add those bunt totals to his hit totals without taking into account subtracting some of those hits.

    You are saying that the baseline you expect from Gardner is a .350 hitter.

    If that is the case, you are never going to be satisfied.

  108. Tar September 6th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    “But you want him to bunt more and therefore take away from his walks, potentially reducing the number of times he gets to 1B?

    Don’t really understand that”

    LGY

    you have been doing so good, but this is dense.

    He has proved that he can walk, has he proved that he can bunt? What if it’s a control pitcher and the Yanks need a baserunner? Again his game is speed, he has to know how to bunt.

  109. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Boy, Brett Gardner is a real hot button player isn’t he?

    :)

  110. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Tar,

    The level of criticism heaped on other Yankees despite their winning abilities is pathetic in light of the free pass Jeter is getting. Maybe Jeter should be the one bunting for a hit?

    And Jeter’s past seasons have nothing to do with his current performance.

  111. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    “The value of Gradner putting the ball in play rather than walking comes from his speed forcing the defense to make mistakes.”

    ——————————

    How often is the defense going to make mistakes?

    How many times is he going to end up on 2nd because of a wild throw?

    How many less times is he going to be getting to first at all by bunting instead of trying to work a walk?

  112. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    I don’t know how many times Gardner has struck out looking, but, I’m willing to bet that it’s close to half of the total. That’s too many, and, yes, he has damned good bat control or he wouldn’t be able to foul off as many pitches as he does. Bunting takes more practice than it does bat control.

  113. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Vs control pitchers as defined by BB-Ref, Gardner walks 12% of the time. He walks no matter who is throwing, because he knows the strike zone and can foul off pitches in the zone.

  114. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Tar,

    No pitchers have stopped Gardner from walking this year.

    The best way to utilize his speed is getting to 1B.

    Unless bunting gets him to first base more often than he does now, it does not maximize his skillset.

  115. m September 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Doreen,

    He sure gets a lot of attention for a $400K player. :)

    It’s not an exaggeration to say that Gardner’s hot start was a huge plus in the beginning of the season.

  116. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    LGY -

    So you’re putting more value on walks than bunt hits?

    The job is to get on first however you can in whatever the situation, especially if you’re fast and can potentially turn any first base situaion into a second base situation. Neither skill is exclusive of the other. But in some situations a bunt would be helpful. In some situations, taking a walk works just as well.

    But it is true that once you put the ball in play, the chances of a miscue are greater than if you just walk to first, where the ball is not in play at all.

  117. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Gardner strikes out looking 42% of the time, and as I stated, deals with the worst strike zone for any Yankee. COnstantly getting called strikes high and away.

    That is going to happen if you are as disciplined as Gardner. And really, you can’t alter Gardners approach because you don’t know the consequences.

    What if he gets more aggressive and his OBP drops 20 points?

    Striking out isnt a big deal as long as you get on base at a good rate.

  118. Yogi Mantle September 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    It seems the soft tossers are the ones that give the Yankee offense more problems than do the high heater pitcher.

    It just seems odd to me that they can’t beat a pitcher who tops off at 89 MPH like a rug. The guy looks like he’s throwing batting practice yet they can’t hit them.

  119. SJ44 September 6th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Gardner needs to learn how to bunt better.

    That’s not news.

    That’s not what cost them the game.

    Staying too long with a starter who is 3-11 in his last 16 starts is what cost them the game.

    Put it another way,,,,,

    Brett Gardner has won more games for the Yankees this year than AJ Burnett.

    When AJ can help this team win games this year, then you can pass the buck on his foibles.

    Today? It’s all on AJ and Girardi and nobody else.

  120. pat September 6th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    LGY

    5%? 10%? I don;t know and neither do you but all it takes is 1 time if it’s at the right time to really matter.

    Gardner has skills that other players dream of.

    Learning how to best utilize them is the goal. Doesn’t mean he has to overuse them but it should be viable part of his arsenal.

  121. Yogi Mantle September 6th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Gardner strikes out looking 42% of the time, and as I stated, deals with the worst strike zone for any Yankee. COnstantly getting called strikes high and away.

    _________

    And quite a number of those high and away pitches aren’t strikes.

  122. Jerkface September 6th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Doreen -

    LGY’s point is , How often do you expect the defense to make a mistake? How many times have we heard, “They just get the speedy Gardner” vs “And gardner beats it out”!

    I think the idea of speeding it down to 1st is alluring, but in practice, a major league defense is going to be very good at stopping it. Especially considering the third basemen that are occupying our 2 RIVALs rosters. Longoria and BEltre are excellent. And youkilis and pena are very good as well.

  123. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    There ya go, SJ44. Back on track. :)

  124. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Doreen,

    I am not putting more value on walks than bunt hits.

    If he could replace every walk he had with a bunt, then I would take that in a heartbeat.

    What people are missing, by GB claiming that you can just add 25-30 hits to his total is that those at bats could potentially be at bats where he would have gotten a hit or walk otherwise.

    Like Jerkface said, Gardner and no baseball player is smart enough to know when he is going to make an out as he is walking into the box.

  125. Yogi Mantle September 6th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    I just think that Gardner would become a bigger threat if he learned how to bunt (he seems to look to push the ball rather than deaden it), and be a little more aggressive in his stealing bases.

    He doesn’t bother the opposing pitcher as much as he had in the beginning of the season because they all seem to know he waits too long to attempt steals. A few throw overs and he becomes a statue more often than not.

  126. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    I agree that Girardi stuck with Burnett too long. However, the fact of the matter is that they never did score a 4th run in the last 3 innings.

    So, at best, this game would have gone to extra innings and we’ll never know how that would have turned out.

  127. Tar September 6th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    “And Jeter’s past seasons have nothing to do with his current performance”

    This is where we go in opposite directions.

    Using Jeter’s bad year to bolster your arguments of other players is being a spoiled Yankee fan. Sorry that’s the way I feel. It’s not too late to change your evil ways though.

    LGY

    “The best way to utilize his speed is getting to 1B.”

    So what is the best way to get to 1b?

    It is to utilize all his strengths, which for a speed guy, #1 is being able to lay down a bunt. It’s been that way since day one.

    I am not arguing that Gardner is having a bad year. But how can you argue that bunting is not, or should not be, an important part of his game?

  128. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    jerkface -

    As a matter of fact, I was thinking Gardner has lost half a step because he doesn’t seem to beat out as many infield balls as I thought he did earlier in the season. My husband doesn’t agree with me.

    But my point is, if you walk, they are definitely not going to make any defensive mistakes, are they?

    I think we’re all nitpicking. Gardner’s had a really good season. I think if he could lay down some successful bunts it adds a dimension to his game, keeps the pitcher and defense just a little off-balance and does add the possibility of a defensive miscue. And it’s different bunting vs. just beating out a grounder to an infielder. (Which is one of the reasons my husband disagreed with me.)

    I’m not saying everytime he bunts, he’s going to end up on second. That’d be silly. But the occasional bunt can catch defenses unawares.

  129. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    I am also not saying that Gardner should not learn how to bunt. If he can add that tool to the toolshed, then great.

    I am saying that I do not want to see his bunting take away from his other skills. I agree with Jerkface, if he is going through a slump dropping down a few bunts would be great. In situations like today him being able to bunt would be great.

    But, on a regular basis I don’t want to see him bunting when he is so great already at getting on base. This approach he has now is working great and it is hard to imagine him having higher than a .392 OBP.

    Getting on base is how you best utilize speed.

  130. CB September 6th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Let’s look at this game for a moment from Girardi’s perspective.

    Girardi essentially took a risk on losing a game on Labor Day with a 2.5 game lead in order to build AJ’s confidence and get him on track for the post season.

    That’s essentially what Joe decided to do.

    The offense is just about as much to blame as AJ. Though I must say – Matusz is very good and the yankees have struggled against him. This is the kind of game that AJ was brought in here to win. Shutting down a very undisciplined O’s line up should not be a herculean task for AJ. Nonetheless, let’s just say the outcome of the game – that is the loss – is just as much, if not more, on the offense than the pitching.

    Here’s the really concerning thing about today. From the standpoint of how the game was played, Girardi’s stuck with AJ but didn’t even come close to getting the first step in the long term payoff he was looking for.

    Let’s just set aside the result. Just looking at how AJ pitched – the quality of his pitches was poor. There was very little to build on from this game for him. And AJ (and Girardi) know it.

    Brian Roberts should probably be back on the DL. His back is killing him. During the game he was visibly wincing, bending over, and fidgeting because his back was bothering him so much.

    AJ gets beat by an ailing Roberts twice. He gets beat by Cesar Izturis and Josh Bell.

    What’s concerning about this game is that not only did the team lose in the short term, it gained little or even lost on the long term wager as well.

    Not only is AJ’s command particularly bad this season – his stuff is also down a notch.

    It looks to me that he just doesn’t have the stuff to get out major league hitters consistently given how many mistakes he makes. Before he could get away with those mistakes. Now they are getting belted around by light weight hitters and guys who are injured.

  131. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    LGY -

    So we’re not all that far apart in how we see this.

    Except — he needs to attempt to steal more. :lol:

  132. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Doreen, I’m not so sure that Gardner has lost a step because he’s not beating out the grounders as much as the defense plays a liitle closer in and he’s getting a little stronger and hitting the ball a little harder than say last year and maybe earlier this year.

  133. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    CB -

    So, what to do?

    Not being facetious, honestly asking the question. What does one do?

    There’s not much in the way of alternatives.

  134. Tar September 6th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    “I am saying that I do not want to see his bunting take away from his other skills.”

    Why would it? It can only add to his arsenal.

    “But, on a regular basis I don’t want to see him bunting when he is so great already at getting on base. ”

    As he matures as a player, a different aspects of his game will mature. bunting has to be part of his foundation. He has to add this as a skill, as opposed to a embarrassing part of his game.

  135. Doreen September 6th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    GB7 -

    You’re probably right. My husband told me the defense is making good plays as opposed to Gardner not running as hard.

    I’ve said before, I’m not very good at picking up the little details like that. :(

  136. LGY September 6th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    :arrow:

  137. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Jeter’s right about Roberts. He’s always been a pain in the neck. He’s a career .295 hitter against NYYs and of his 80 career homers, 13 are against the Yankees and scored more runs against the yanks. He’s not near that against any other team except Tampa (10).

  138. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Doreen, you’ve picked up a lot of things that others gloss over or don’t see. You’re pretty good at this baseball thing for a girl.

  139. CB September 6th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Doreen-

    I don’t know. I do know this. If AJ pitched the way he did this game against a playoff team I’d give the yankees no more than a 30% chance to win the game. And AJ has been worse this season – far worse – than he even was today. If AJ pitches like he has at other times the yankees will have a 15-20% chance of winning his playoff games.

    What you have to hope for obviously is what Girardi is hoping for. That AJ will turn it around. But that comes at a real cost because they are losing a disproportionate number of games he’s starting.

    This yankee team unfortunately is a much better offensive team at home than on the road. Home field really does matter for them. AJ is actively contributing to decreasing their chances of getting home field advantage.

    So you hope either he or miraculously Javy turn it around.

    But honestly, if he’s going to continue pitching this poorly and Javy does as well I think you have to at least consider giving Nova a start depending on how he pitches the rest of the way.

    I know AJ has the potential to throw a great game and you can always hope for that upside. But the pitcher I’ve watched this season not only lacks the consistency to be good, he lacks the stuff to be good. That’s the concern. For the first time in his career AJ’s stuff is coming into question.

    And if it’s his stuff that’s an issue, then there’ s not going to be an upside to hope for.

  140. MattPat11 September 6th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Burnett’s right. Every time the Yankees clawed back he immediately let them score. We can’t have that.

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