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Postgame notes: “They played better than us”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Sep 12, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Every time the Yankees fly from one city to the next, the players dress in suits and ties. No more t-shirts and sneakers. Today, the Yankees dressed for a showdown against Tampa Bay. They looked the part of a first-place team, even if they hadn’t played the part during a three-game sweep in Texas.

“They played better than us,” Derek Jeter said. “It was a tough three games, but we’re right in the position every team wants to be in. We control what happens. We play the teams that we’re tied with or are behind us, so we’re right where we need to be.”

Jeter, by the way, said a half-game lead is no different to him than a tie.

Dustin Moseley walked fewer batters than Cliff Lee this afternoon, but the Rangers turned each Moseley walk into a run. They advanced on fly balls to the outfield, took extra bases when given the chance and took the lead on Julio Borbon’s perfectly placed two-out bunt in the seventh inning.

“They did a lot of little things right that helped them win the game,” Moseley said.

The Yankees did a lot of little things wrong that cost them this series. Walks hurt the pitching staff and stranded runners killed the offense, but the Yankees managed to escape Arlington with smallest lead possible heading into their pivotal three-game series against Tampa Bay.

“I feel good about this team,” Joe Girardi said. “This team has worked hard to get to this point, where we are in the season. We still have some baseball left. I still believe that we are going to play extremely well down the stretch.”

Here’s Girardi’s postgame.

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Yankees Rangers Baseball• Dustin Moseley pitched exactly one-third of an inning in the 12 days leading up to today’s start. Even so, he retired 11 of the first 12 batters he faced and allowed just one run through his first six innings. His undoing was that he walked two guys, both to leadoff an inning, both leading to runs. “When a guy has that kind of command, I’m sure it’s frustrating,” Girardi said.

• Even with a full bullpen, Girardi said he would have stuck with Moseley into the seventh inning. “I loved the way he was throwing the baseball,” Girardi said.

• Hard to believe Cliff Lee had been struggling and hadn’t pitched since August 31. He allowed two hits, though he did walk three. His leadoff walk to Derek Jeter was Lee’s first leadoff walk since June 24, 2009.

• Speaking of Jeter: The Yankees had five base runners today, three of them were Jeter who walked twice and doubled in the only run. “I thought today was a step in the right direction,” he said.

• Also speaking of Jeter: Before Borbon’s bunt single that scored the go-ahead run, Jeter actually went to the mound to warn Moseley that — even with two outs — Borbon might be bunting. “I had a feeling he might do it,” Jeter said. “But it was perfect. There was nothing anybody could have done in that situation.”

• Jorge Posada said he felt perfectly fine. “No problem,” with his might-be-a-concussion.

• Javier Vazquez was available out of the bullpen today, and Girardi said he’ll be available out of the bullpen again tomorrow.

• Girardi said there are no additional tests planned for Nick Swisher. “We’ll know more tomorrow,” he said.

• In case you missed it, Kevin Russo and Juan Miranda arrived today. They were available off the bench.

Associated Press photos of Curtis Granderson and Moseley

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214 Responses to “Postgame notes: “They played better than us””

  1. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Um, “we’ll know more tomorrow”? How exactly is that? Why would we know more tomorrow about Swisher’s condition than we knew today? or the day before? The guy is not feeling any better – I’m very surprised they aren’t ordering more tests. This doesn’t really look good – Swish is not getting any better, in his own words; that sounds like more than just a sore knee.

  2. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Well, if Joe had a full pen and he still would have stuck with Moseley, then he’s beyond stupid because he should have just been glad to get what he got from Moseley.

  3. ET September 12th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Oh, yeah, and tarred and feathered for having the gaul to use Mariano for 2 innings and then another inning the next day. Mo had a bad game and it’s Girardi’s fault. It’s NEVER that Mo just had a bad day. Never. He hasn’t not be overused or abused this entire season. When I posted a couple of days ago that the bullpen might be overextended I was assured by many that that couldn’t happen because (a) there was a day off and (b) Girardi had his guys perfectly rested and had his plan of usage all mapped out.

    But because the bullpen failed a bit this series, all of sudden Girardi apparently does not know how to manage his pen, should not trust his closer when he tells him he can go (because Mo is the one that calls that shot) and is a blithering idiot.

    The more a bullpen is used for more than 3 innings on consecutive games, it shows. No matter how well planned and rested.

    ———–

    well put

  4. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Betsy,

    I guess what they will know tomorrow is whether Swisher feels better or not after having not played today. If not, then I’d guess they’ll do more tests. If so, I’d guess he’s day-to-day.

  5. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Doreen, that doesn’t make any sense to me. This is not the first time Swisher’s been put in the lineup and then scratched and he’s not getting any better. It’s obvious that something is wrong with his knee that rest isn’t taking care of.

  6. longtimefan September 12th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Love those canned comments–”they played better than us” no shit Dick Tracy-but no one gets paid as well. I agree with a commentor that stated “Girardi is as thick as a brick”–players and manager stunk the place out this weekend, lets hope they do better in Florida. This team is no where as good as last year’s team at this time. Limping into the home stretch is never good!

  7. m September 12th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Swisher needs to take off 1 week, if it’s not considerably better then tough decisions need to be made about how little time they can afford to give him. We need his bat, but Swish’s uncertainty has contributed to the weird lineups people are getting upset about. They thought he could play through it, but it is obvious by his grimaces that it’s easier said than done. Get healthy or come up with a plan B.

  8. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Betsy -

    But he had tests that showed no structural damage. Now, it could be that things got worse, but Swisher himself, after the initial tests showed that, decided he wanted to play and push through the pain. He’s been getting whatever treatment they give for deep bruises. It’s not helping and he obviously can’t play through the pain. It’s not like he didn’t have tests and decided to play through. Girardi was resting him and he had the tests so he could play.

    You know they get da–ed if they do and da–ed if they don’t.

  9. m September 12th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Oh, Doreen. Did you not get my joke? :(

    :)

  10. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Doreen, I’m just suggesting they get another MRI in case the first one missed something. Either way, I think this is a real concern.

  11. BBFan September 12th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Betsy,

    Don’t you think the Yankee trainers know what they are doing with Siwsher.
    We have two of the best trainers in the business.

    I understand your worry but they know better than we do.

  12. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    I did not say they don’t know what they’re doing………..

  13. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Just to be clear – I think he should have been resting all along. But the question was what more will they know. And I got off track. Sorry. I’m really, tired. I should probably shut down.

    m’s right. Swisher needs to just sit and allow the lineup to be more consistent while he gets better.

  14. BBFan September 12th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    We had a winning streak.
    We had similar losing streak, discounting Swisher’s walk off HR.

    The real games start tomorrow :)

    We will take at least two of three as staring pitching will be better.
    Go Yankees.

  15. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Betsy -

    I agree it’s time for more tests. Sometimes initial tests don’t show everything.

  16. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Doreen, yep – that’s all I was saying. A sore knee is fine, but to be hobbling for this long? That doesn’t sound like a sore knee to me.

  17. TheStraw September 12th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    I just want to see Joe manage the next three games differently than he has the last six. No days off except for real injury, efficient bullpen management and reading situations correctly. A dose of small ball would be nice, but I guess that’s unrealistic. It’s crunch time now, Joe.

  18. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    m -

    I did.

    I thought I answered appropriately. I should have added a ” :)

  19. G-C September 12th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Shut Swisher down for the next week, at least.

    It’ll be a tough loss for the time being, but I’d rather him be at 100 percent in October than 80 percent because he limped through all of September.

  20. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Maybe he should have it x-rayed. Someone on another board said Swish’s quote about how his knee isn’t letting him do what he wants when he runs sounds like his (this poster’s) own fractured kneecap.

  21. Betsy September 12th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    I agree about Swish – and get the man an x-ray

  22. m September 12th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Haha. For all the whatevers that’s in people’s craw, bad pitching, extra innings, and a rain delay made it a bad series. Yes they left scores or men on base, but they do that at home, too. Nothing new there. We hit well enough to win the series, just need to move on to the next one.

    I like that the team has a bit of chip on their shoulder. No relaxing in the Tampa sun, er air conditioning?

  23. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    TheStraw -

    The question is what do you consider “real injury?”

    Gardner’s been playing with a sore wrist that now needs to be MRI’d. Is ARod’s hip maintenance days off qualifying for a real injury? Is an almost, maybe/maybe not concussion a real injury? Is Swisher’s knee a real injury? Is Jeter’s knee brace a sign of a real injury? Who else is really getting rested? Granderson sits for very tough lefties. Cano doesn’t sit enough. Tex plays and I know he’s probably playing through hand pain (remember that?). Kearns was hurt too, but he’s playing now.

    This is a banged up team.

  24. Bret The Hitman September 12th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Old friends:

    Johnny Damon

    DH with a .756 OPS

    Hideki Matsui

    DH hitting .268 (19 HR to be fair)

    Bobby Abreu

    RF with .774 OPS

    Now ask yourself, self, would I take Matsui or Damon over Berkman/Thames?

    How about Abreu over Swisher?

  25. TheKiid September 12th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    “Betsy,

    Don’t you think the Yankee trainers know what they are doing with Siwsher.
    We have two of the best trainers in the business.

    I understand your worry but they know better than we do.”

    Betsy seems to know everything… good for her.

  26. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Bret the Hitman =

    I never remember what a good OPS is. For those of us who are statistically challenged, could you (and anyone else who is citing that kind of statistic) tell me what I should compare those numbers to? I don’t know if I should want these guys back or not. I think I’m not supposed to, but I’m not sure. :)

  27. pat September 12th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Was there ever an official diagnosis of what is ailing Swish other than MRI negative?

  28. Jerkface September 12th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    generally you want to be > .800 , >.850 is allstars, >.900 is getting into best player on the team, and >1.000 is getting into best player in the league/Majors

  29. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Thanks, jerkface.

    So the guys above, they’re about average?

  30. Bret The Hitman September 12th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Doreen,

    OPS is on base % plus slugging percentage.

    on base percentage combines batting average and walks. OBS

    slugging measures power.

    OPS is a measure of a hitter’s skill which includes contact, patience and power.

    .800 OPS is often cited as the benchmark of a decent player.

    Pujols has a .995 OPS

    Robinson Cano leads the Yanks with .913.

  31. TheStraw September 12th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Doreen-

    Bret- yes, but there are ample replacements right now.
    Swish- yes, by all means rest him. He’s that important.
    Arod- no. This is just Joe being overprotective of his veterans.
    Posada-no. See above. And his continual time off is the reason his bat is inconsistent. The hot streak last week coincide with more regular playing time, pre concussion.

    Jeter is a special case. I think he is injured, but his refusal to make a big deal about it makes it impossible to give him time off.

    If Po and Arod are given any time off the next three days, it is a managerial mistake.

    Kirk Gibson seemed to play okay while “banged up”.

  32. Bret The Hitman September 12th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    edit: Not OBS, OBP sorry

  33. TheStraw September 12th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Mind you, I’m not blaming it on the players. I believe they all would play if given the choice. I just think that Joe is looking at the forest while the trees are starting to smolder.

  34. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Bret -

    Thanks.

    I do know what OPS is, just not what the “standard” is for what’s a good one and what isn’t. I just can’t seem to remember. Now I will — 800 benchmark. :)

    TheStraw -

    I disagree about ARod, because I believe it’s partially an agreed upon plan, along with his doctors. If it wasn’t for the calf, the only rest he’d have gotten was the once every 15-ish days or so.

    Posada – I guess we have to trust him on this. Concussions are tricky things, but he was cleared. So if he’s cleared to play, he should play, I guess.

    Kirk Gibson – I have to look this up. But did he really play through, or did he just pinch hit?

  35. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    TheStraw -

    I think what’s going on with the Yankees right now is a perfect example of “best laid plans” – you can plan only so much. Stuff is going to happen that you can’t really plan for. And all season long, Girardi managed cautiously, trying to keep his guys healthy & strong throughout the season. It would’ve worked, too, if other teams cooperated by not hitting our guys. Almost every injury can be traced to being hit by a pitch or a foul tip. Except Pettitte. And we worried about Pettitte’s elbow, but it was his groin that betrayed us. Javy came a year too late. He was supposed to give the Yankees innings. He hasn’t.

    This is all horrible timing.

  36. TheStraw September 12th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Earlier in his career, when he played for Detroit, Gibson was famous for being a gamer who could be counted on to put out despite nagging aches and pains which partially resulted from his agressive style of play. Kind of like Johnny Damon, who gave us 125 starts a year consistently.

    Of course, the legendary HR was a pinch hit, but he was so injured at that point he shouldn’t even have been in uniform.

    I think in general players are overhandled these days because of the economics of the game.

  37. Bronx Jeers September 12th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Match the OPS to the player:

    693 Jorge Posada

    877 Nick Swisher

    847 Curtis Granderson

    764 Alex Rodriguez

    832 Derek Jeter

  38. YankFanCA September 12th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    It’s not really a matter of winning the division or not. It is about an old team that is playing very poorly. There’s still a bit of time to right the ship, but not lots of time. The trend is not our friendm

  39. Jerkface September 12th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    693 Jorge Posada 832

    877 Nick Swisher 877

    847 Curtis Granderson 764

    764 Alex Rodriguez 847

    832 Derek Jeter 693

    Might have mixed up Posada and A-rod

  40. TheStraw September 12th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Doreen-

    I agree that bad luck is a part of this. I don’t have a problem resting guys against Baltimore after the win streak, or even Texas to some degree, although Arod should have played today. But if he does this against the team he is tied with with 19 games left in the season, he should be called out for it.

  41. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    TheStraw -

    I can definitely agree with your last sentence.

  42. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 12th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Just guessing……

    Jorge Posada 764
    Nick Swisher 877
    Curtis Granderson 847
    Alex Rodriguez 832
    Derek Jeter 693

  43. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 12th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    I probably have Granderson and Posada mixed up.

  44. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    TheStraw -

    I meant the sentence about the economics of the game having a lot to do with the way players are handled in today’s game.

  45. Bronx Jeers September 12th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    ” Might have mixed up Posada and A-rod”

    Yes.

  46. TheStraw September 12th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Hitting is streaky. One of the reasons players are not often benches during a bad streak is because the game that gets them out of the bad streak often starts a good rhythm which then results in a good streak. But if you sit players whom have been hitting consistently like Arod or to a lesser degree Jorge, or even Granderson during his recent hot streak, it screws with their rhythm and mechanics and kills consistency on occasion.

  47. Bronx Jeers September 12th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    “I probably have Granderson and Posada mixed up.”

    Yes.

    Everybody’s got their mix ups correct though. :wink:

  48. TheStraw September 12th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Or as Crash Davis said in Bull Durham, a player on a streak has to respect the streak because they don’t happen very often.

  49. blake September 12th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Jeter had some of the best AB’s he’s had in awhile today….saw some pitches, looked less jumpy up there, had a great Jeter swing on the double…its just one game but if you’re looking for silver linings…..

  50. jacksquat September 12th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Resting A-Rod, but not planning to rest Swisher, resting Jeter only one game, playing Gardner while hurt (how long did it take us to learn that one?), just doesn’t make sense. The guy that is hitting the best and needed the rest the least (he played a whole two days in a row) got rested.

    Girardi defenders cannot defend the A-rod rest without conceding that it’s odd he continued to play Swisher, etc.

    Now Swisher and and Gardner may miss games in TB because we played them in a meaningless series where we got swept anway.

    As for HFA, it may not make a BIG difference, but any advantage is an advantage, and it would be nice to get it. It is a “game of inches” after all…

  51. tyanksfan36 September 12th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    The Tampa Yankees lost tonight. They still lead the series 2-1. I went to the game but left halfway through when they loaded the bases with one out and couldn’t bring a run in. It felt too much like the baseball I’ve been watching all weekend. I think they’ll win it tomorrow. Yankees and Tampa Yankees.

  52. pat September 12th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    K. Long strikes again?

    From NY Daily News:

    “Jeter, who worked on mechanical adjustments with hitting coach Kevin Long on Saturday, finished the day 1-for-2 with two walks, the only Yankee to take consistently good at-bats against Lee.”

  53. Cashmoney September 12th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Now ask yourself, self, would I take Matsui or Damon over Berkman/Thames?
    ———————————————-
    I will take Matsui over Berkman and Thames, do I get another player?

  54. SAS September 12th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Good evening all,

    I didn’t dare get on here earlier today, but I have to say I am officially worried about the team. If they continue to play as they are, they may not make the playoffs altogether. I haven’t felt like this in 2 yrs. If they make the playoffs, the world series will seem oceans away. With this many semi-injured players, it will be very tough.

    There I said it.

  55. Cashmoney September 12th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Berkman + NJ + Thames < Matsui who has more hrs and RBIs than those three combined with the Yankees . Mat is sport a 800 OPS which one can assume prolly would be better in YS due his pull power. Yeah , I take Matsui. I would also add the intangible of big game experiences and the fact he is a discipline hitter who prolly see P/A than the aggregate average of Berkman and Thames.

  56. Doreen September 12th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    No, because ARod’s hip is a long-term concern.

  57. Cashmoney September 12th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    When Arod start his steep decline (health and age) in about say, 3 years, people are going to spew the same venom as they have for Jeter this year. Except, he will be making a lot more than Jeter and doesn’t have his iconic status with the Yankees. So I think it would be worse once the decline starts.

    And it will start .

  58. sunny615 September 12th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Only Swisher has saved this team from a 6 game losing streak. Girardi tho, is doing nothing to help and if anything, only making things worse. Pathetic and disgust are the words that keep coming to mind here. Just a godawful weekend.

  59. sunny615 September 12th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    “They played better than us.”. Christ. Pawtucket played better than you guys this weekend.

  60. Nat September 12th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    “When Arod start his steep decline (health and age) in about say, 3 years, people are going to spew the same venom as they have for Jeter this year. Except, he will be making a lot more than Jeter and doesn’t have his iconic status with the Yankees. So I think it would be worse once the decline starts.

    And it will start .”

    *shrugs* He’s accustomed to the venom.

  61. Cashmoney September 12th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    *shrugs* He’s accustomed to the venom.
    ————————
    But I am sure such a sensitive soul must cry in the dark about it .

    Half kidding

  62. Nat September 12th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Though if he was as sensitive as some hoped he’d have jumped off a bridge by now.

  63. m September 12th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    How could Long’s words work with Jeter wearing earplugs? He’s too stubborn and all-knowing to take the advice of others. :?

  64. Yogi Mantle September 12th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    “They played better than us.”.
    ———

    Yeah, this isn’t really saying much because the Rangers weren’t playing all that well.

    Far too many opportunities that the Yankees had with little to show for it.

    At least Jeter had decent ABs today. Swisher will probably be out for a few days unless something more serious is detected. This series is looming larger because of how they have played this past week.

    The winning streak seems like so long ago, and they now seem to be stuck in opposite world. Meanwhile the Twinkies are closing the gap on the best record.

  65. Jerkface September 12th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    How could Long’s words work with Jeter wearing earplugs? He’s too stubborn and all-knowing to take the advice of others.

    Prolonged Failure is a humbling experience for anyone >:)

  66. Cashmoney September 12th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Nat September 12th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
    Though if he was as sensitive as some hoped he’d have jumped off a bridge by now.
    ——————————
    Not that sensitive! Or stupid. If you had gazillion dollars and a harem of attractive females, I would venture you would cry in front your Centaur portrait for a few mins. Then, it’s GAME ON !

  67. CR9 September 12th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Whomever said “they played better than us” was absolutely right. The umpires did play better than us.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 12th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Doreen, Mel, and Gayle all reading things the same way. I am in very good company. A marathon, not a sprint. Trusting that the manager actually knows what he’s doing and agreeing that the health of the players is far more important to the postseason than putting them in meaningless games so that the more impulsive faction of the fanbase feels validated.

    Mo was more than okay to pitch two innings Friday and then again on Saturday. He didn’t have a good game Saturday. Stuff happens.

    The Yankees are going to the postseason.

    And if people think that the heat in Texas had no effect whatsoever on the Yankee players think again. The team that plays half of its season there gets used to playing in the heat.

    And learn the difference between an excuse and a reason.

  69. jacksquat September 12th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    trisha – Trusting that the manager actually knows what he’s doing and agreeing that the health of the players is far more important to the postseason than putting them in meaningless games so that the more impulsive faction of the fanbase feels validated.

    Then how do you explain Swisher? It’s not a case of the manager knowing more, everyone could see that he shouldn’t have been playing. And now he’ll probably miss games vs TB when he should have missed them vs Texas.

    Sorry, but inconsistency shows you don’t know what you are doing.

    And don’t point to the team W-L record or standing. Teams with $200mil payrolls stuffed with excellent players can win despite what their manager does.

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 12th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    “Teams with $200mil payrolls stuffed with excellent players can win despite what their manager does.”

    Seriously?

    2001
    2002
    2003
    2004
    2005
    2006
    2007

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 12th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Swisher and everyone else in the world is banged up by September of the baseball season. Arod had surgery last year and has had problems from time to time with that hip. Two very different situations.

  72. Carl September 12th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Yankees didn’t have a 200 million dollar payroll until 2005. Nice try though.

  73. ZachA September 12th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    This offense needs a jumpstart. When he’s healthy and ready to play, bring up Jesus.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    “Yankees didn’t have a 200 million dollar payroll until 2005. Nice try though.”

    I was aware of that but thanks for bringing it out because I see I have to spell out more completely my message back.

    The Yankees had had a very healthy payroll and was stuffed with excellent players all of those years and didn’t manage to win it all despite that. So I would say that a good manager plays a role in all of that, as Girardi did last year and as he continues to do this year.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    And Girardi is still a relative neophyte to managing. In the years 2001-2007 they were managed by a seasoned manager and had healthy payrolls. And ended up with bupkis.

  76. G-C September 13th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    I’m not a complainer, but the way this team has played from top to bottom over the last six games has been borderline humiliating.

    The good thing is that three weeks from now no one will remember or care about what happened over the last six games. But it doesn’t make it any less frustrating to think that way and it certainly hasn’t improved my mood this weekend.

  77. stuart a September 13th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    mosely is a journeyman and that is why he crumbled late in the game. with guys like him, vazquez, or burnett it is just a matter of time until they miss there spot, get rattled, or give up a big fly.

    burnett has a 5 + ERA for a reason. same with Vazquez…..

    the yanks played poorly this weekend, had 1 big hit the whole weekend, the pen or starters when given a lead crumbled and therefore the yanks lost 3 games. not the ned of thw world but would have been better if they won at least 1.

    jeter has played poor for 3 months, that is a long time….tex and cano have done zilch in a week…..cano needs to play big in the big games, he never has done that yet. he needs to be there 2nd or 3rd best player offensively end the story.

    good news is gaudan girardi’s boy is rested for the ray series………….

  78. jacksquat September 13th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 12th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
    “Teams with $200mil payrolls stuffed with excellent players can win despite what their manager does.”

    Seriously?

    2001
    2002
    2003
    2004
    2005
    2006
    2007

    Way to avoid the main point. :roll:

    Are you trying to show Girardi is a good manager?

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    The Yankees did play poorly over the weekend, but it would seem , they were in a position to win two of those games late in the game. Friday night they were winning until the 8th inning. Saturday night they took the lead at lost it in the ninth. Even with all the offensive failures, they could have won 2 of the games. The bullpen that has been lights out had a blip. Did anyone think they’d beat Cliff Lee yesterday? They already beat him last time in Texas, so I figured he’d even it up.

    But my point is two-edged sword, I guess. Maybe the fact that despite the woes they could have won two makes those two losses harder to take. But the reason I bring it up is because I haven’t read that particular point here. I read about how they’re not trying, not working hard enough and all that stuff, but not how, despite the fact they didn’t capitalize on enough of their opportunities, they still scored 5 runs in the first game and were in a position to win, and the next night 6 runs and were in a position to win. They were not totally shut down. And they scored enough to win. The bullpen faltered. It was bound to happen. I do believe in “being due.” They were due to have a blip.

  83. upstate kate September 13th, 2010 at 7:06 am

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    oh well, they need to turn the page and take care of business in Tampa…hoping for #20 for CC tonight

  84. Doreen September 13th, 2010 at 7:08 am

    upstate kate -

    Good morning.

    You’re right – turn the page, hope for the best. CC can get them started. :) My mom’s going to the game in Tampa tomorrow night. Last time she went they lost; I hope she gets to even her record!

  85. blake September 13th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    Doreen,

    Good morning and good post. The pitching matchups weren’t very faborable in any of the games in this series….yet the Yanks were there win a lead in the late innings of each of the first 2 games. They got both Wilson and Hunter out of the games early. This was a battle of the 2 best bullpens in the AL and Texas just came out on top….whether that was due to how the pen was handled is a different discussion but Game 3 was the only game the Yanks weren’t in a position to win late.

  86. upstate kate September 13th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    I hope your Mom brings them luck…all 3 games look like good match ups

  87. Fran the original September 13th, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Good morning.

    I thought the games this weekend were frustrating because the Yankees were in position to win 2 of the games and left so many runners on base. That’s where I believe the games were lost.

    On to Tampa. And certainly CC is the guy you want on the mound to snap a loosing a streak. Hope he gets his 20th tonight.

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    blake -

    Good morning. Yeah. Kind of a lost weekend, right? But it’s just one weekend. And they’ve moved on before. I still like this team. I just wish they weren’t so banged up.

    upstate kate -

    Me, too! And I have my fingers crossed – I never really think about the match-ups so much, but anything that helps, right?

    ****

    We went to Mo’s NY Grill yesterday. Good food. It was dead in there, though. We were the only people (5 of us) for about 45 minutes until the next party of 6 came in. Clearly they were on a skeleton staff, because the service, while very pleasant, was a little slow. But the food was really very good. And if you ever have an opportunity to go, even just for a drink, the pictures on the wall are worth the trip! Erica – there were two great pictures of Johnny Damon right by our table.

  90. Tar September 13th, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Good morning guys,

    I agree Doreen and blake. Also Texas did not see the team they will face in the play-offs.

    But for the next three days the Rays should. All hands on deck for this series.

    No excuses, no resting. They can go back to “post-season prep” on Thursday.

  91. blake September 13th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Win 2 of 3 in Tampa and the Texas series becomes a distant memory. Have to get at least 1 down there.

  92. blake September 13th, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Tar,
    Agreed. They need to go hard in these games this weekend.

  93. Fran the original September 13th, 2010 at 7:33 am

    Doreen,

    Glad you enjoyed dinner. Guess with all of the sporting events going yesterday, people were at the games or home watching.

  94. Doreen September 13th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Fran,

    Also, if I remember correctly the weekend after Labor Day is notoriously slow-paced. A couple of years ago, same weekend in September (my husband’s birthday weekend), we were able to get great tickets to a Broadway show. I didn’t question it at the time, but we also went to dinner that weekend at a popular restaurant in NYC and it was also “dead.” The maitre-d’ there told us that the weekend after Labor Day is always slow. People are just back from vacations, school has started, it’s the first weekend of not-summer.

    My husband and I were very confused yesterday. We thought the Yankees were playing at night (with my daughter’s move, I haven’t been as on top of all things Yankees :? ). At Mo’s the Giants game was on. So when we got home and put on YES, then ESPN, and didn’t see the Yankees game – I logged on here (and got the bad news – first, we missed the game, second, they lost).

  95. pat September 13th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Tonights game is being billed as a Cy Young showdown.

    Perhaps a DH day for Swish? He’s one of the few who have had some success with Price.

    Doreen

    Mo’s has never been really crowded when we went but we usually go early because of the kids. It usually starts to get busier when we are leaving.

    Being the only ones does make checking out the photos without intruding on other diners easier. :smile:

  96. Doreen September 13th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    pat -

    Absolutely. I didn’t mind that it was empty for that reason, and also, it’s a very comfortable feeling place.

    We also adopted the eat early with the kids philosophy – we still do it. I can’t eat a late dinner anymore.

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    Kevin, Swish needs to toughen up a bit? Ouch – I completely disagree with you. I’m sure he’s dying to play, but if he can’t run, he can’t run.

  98. Betsy September 13th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    I don’t know who said the Yankees weren’t trying, but that’s just stupid. Not executing is not the same as not trying. I’m also the furthest thing from humiliated; why would I be? Fans should never be humiliated for what their teams do, but if they should, it would be fans of teams like the Pirates or Royals. There’s nothing “wrong” with going into a slump – it happens. Tampa hasn’t exactly played lights out.

  99. Betsy September 13th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    I wouldn’t play Swish -I’d sit him for a few days. Even if his knee is just sore (which I find hard to believe), the fact is he can’t run on it and it’s bothering him a great deal. Short of having him examined again, the only thing to do is to rest him – it’s of paramount importance that he be as healthy as possible for the post-season. If that means hurting in regular season games, so be it.

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    Betsy
    well put…lack of results does not mean lack of effort
    not that long ago the Yankees has an 8 game winning streak…time to start a new one

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    If we should meet Texas again, this series will mean absolutely nothing. The Yankees can beat anyone and they can lose to anyone………..just like every other team.

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