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Postgame notes: The battle and the war

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Sep 14, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Rays BaseballJoe Girardi elected to play things extremely safe with his bullpen tonight, yet he used Brett Gardner to pinch run on the day he got an MRI on his right wrist, and he used Nick Swisher to pinch hit on the day before he gets a second MRI on his left knee.

“We just felt like we had to stay away from some guys tonight,” Girardi said. “It’s not the first time I’ve done it during the season, but that doesn’t mean we’re not trying to win the game.”

Mariano Rivera was available only in a save situation, but Dave Robertson and Joba Chamberlain were out of the mix. Robertson had pitched back-to-back days two days ago, so that made some sense. Chamberlain, though, seemed curious. Especially considering Girardi said: “He should be available to us tomorrow. We just felt he needed another day today.”

Girardi, Chamberlain and Dave Eiland all said Chamberlain is 100 percent healthy, but Chamberlain said the Yankees had talked to him about the fact he’s approaching 65 games this season. They wanted to give him a break, and Chamberlain said he was OK with taking it. Eiland suggested the decision was primarily about saving bullets.

“This was a big game obviously, you want to win, but it wasn’t do or die,” Eiland said. “With CC going, we felt like he could get us deep into the game. We had Woody well rested, Boone Logan well rested… Sometimes you lose the battle to win the war. We’re going to have all our big guns, so to speak, tomorrow.”

Here’s Girardi speaking after the game.

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Yankees Rays BaseballHyped as a matchup of Cy Young candidates, tonight’s pitching duel between CC Sabathia and David Price did not disappoint. By the fifth inning it became clear the game would be decided by the bullpens. With first place on the line, neither starting pitcher was going to concede the high ground.

“That was a classic,” Eiland said. “That’s going to be talked about for a while.”

Sabathia: “It was just being able to mix it up, (and pitching to) both sides of the plate. And just keeping their speedsters off the bases so you can concentrate on facing the Pena’s and Longoria’s.”

Price: “That was a good game. It was kind of what everybody was expecting, and that’s what they go, so it was a good game… That’s what happens when you face a guy like that.”

• Sergio Mitre had pitched once since September 5. The home run came on a changeup. “When the ball’s given to me, I expect to do the job,” he said. “And I didn’t do it tonight.”

• Eiland said Chad Guadin tried to nibble too much when he walked B.J. Upton to load the bases. On the strikeout against Brad Hawpe, Gaudin got aggressive. For a half inning, it was a huge moment in the game.

Yankees Rays Baseball• Brett Gardner on his blown steal of third base: “I don’t want to go into detail about what I saw or why I did it, but I thought at the time that there was no way he was going to pick. It was a 1-0 count I was trying to get to third, maybe take away the slider and gets Kearnsy a better pitch to hit. I got a good jump and he picked, and I wasn’t expecting it. I got caught, I screwed up, and it was my fault.”

• Nick Swisher said he went to Girardi before the game and told him he could hit whenever Girardi needed him, but it was clear from watching him run to third that Swisher’s knee is a problem. “We took the MRI before and it said that there was nothing, but I found that really, really hard to believe,” Swisher said. “Go in there tomorrow and whatever happens, take it head on.”

• Gardner said his wrist already felt better tonight than it did this morning.

• Javier Vazquez is considered more of an emergency option out of the bullpen. Girardi didn’t want to go to him unless he had to.

• The Rays have first place in the American League East for only the second day since they were there 52 straight days ending on June 13. The Yankees haven’t been in second place since August 3.

Associated Press photos of Mitre, Sabathia and Jeter.

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203 Responses to “Postgame notes: The battle and the war”

  1. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Again, you can’t use a nearly 41 year old Rivera for two IP in a tie game in extreme heat and then use him again the next night and say you are looking at the big picture.

    It’s laughable.

  2. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Right – give Joba a break now, in the middle of a pennant race. Asinine – why not give him a break in the middle of the season? Or two weeks ago?

  3. Tank September 14th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Rich,

    I think it was after the MO appearances when he realized he had to start scaling back on everyone.

  4. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    I agree with Swish – but I hope that next MRI comes up clean. Even so, if he can’t play, a clean MRI isn’t going to help much.

  5. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Joe Girardi always asks Mariano if he is ready to go. Mo said he was fine.

    Girardi has been careful with Mo all year and he does need to test Mo’s limits a bit at this time of year.

    Mo didn’t throw a lot of pitches on Friday night.

    I can see the reasoning.

    I may not agree, but I don’t see it as laughable.

  6. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Tank

    If it took abusing his most valuable asset (or top three anyway) in order to realize that, he needs to go now.

  7. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Doreen

    What player ever says he isn’t ready to go unless he’s virtually incapacitated?

    None. That’s what being a warrior is all about.

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 14th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Girardi doesn’t have the luxury of sitting behind the keyboard of a computer and making decisions based on what the fans think is the best way to go, based on their limited knowledge of what is going on and their desire to take care of only the immediate.

    The guy has to juggle 25 players and do what he feels is best for the team in an overall sense and having further-reaching implications than just winning that night’s game. I don’t envy his position but I certainly can understand some of his decisions, even if they are not popular with the fanbase at large.

  9. m September 14th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    repost:

    CB,

    Again I was only talking about tonight. I was really responding to this post:

    “stuart a September 14th, 2010 at 12:28 am
    logan is better against rights then mitre and gaudian bottom line……………”

    I’ve already said that I was okay with 24 pitches on Friday, but probably would’ve found someone else to close on Saturday (in an actual save situation).

    You can argue that the roster construction is handcuffing Girardi, but the same can also be said of the offense and to a certain extent the failure of the bullpen on Friday and Saturday.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    The fact that Joe & Dave told Joba ahead of time he was getting the day off tells you that it wasn’t an, “ZOmG! We don’t trust Joba here” situation.

    Yes, they could’ve changed their minds, and inserted him ahead of Gaudin. But for whatever reason, they didn’t. But that it was a preconceived plan is an important point, I think.

    And truth be told, Gaudin did his job. Unfortunately Brignac turned on Sergio’s inside pitch.

    I really thought that we’d win after Gaudin pulled his Houdini. Oh well.

  10. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Rich, just so we don’t have to go back and forth………..

    Joba and Phil in this rotation would have been a terrible idea……….

  11. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Cashman has every intention of infusing the team with youth – when it’s ready – but it’s not going to be all youngsters, and that’s fine with me.

  12. LGY September 14th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    “The guy has to juggle 25 players and do what he feels is best for the team in an overall sense and having further-reaching implications than just winning that night’s game. I don’t envy his position but I certainly can understand some of his decisions, even if they are not popular with the fanbase at large.”

    ———————————————–

    In what way has Girardi further enhanced the overall picture of the Yankees the past few days?

  13. Wang IS Taiwan September 14th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Even Chad’s opening paragraph hinted at Girardi’s inconsistency. And Chad is always giving him the benefit of the doubt.

    Must have been a heck of a post-game.

    The Chamberlain stuff is indeed just asinine. We’re gonna “save our bullets” right on out of the playoffs if we keep playing this way.

    A 0-0 game is easier to win in the final innings than a 7-2 game is. You gotta grab the ones you can. Girardi just doesn’t feel the need. It’s gonna be too late before he knows it. This team is just not playing well to be blase about it.

    “It wasn’t a do or die win.” from Eiland said a lot about how how they’ve been playing for quite a stretch.

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 14th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    “In what way has Girardi further enhanced the overall picture of the Yankees the past few days?”

    I guess you’ll have to do one of the things that I do best. Wait and see.

  15. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Betsy

    A terrible idea from a business perspective maybe, but I don’t care if the team wins every year if it takes the long view and executes the plan well.

    Meanwhile, Vazquez may be worse than Joba was.

  16. m September 14th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Who’s more likely to give up a HR, Sergio or Joba?

    Dig deep into your soul and answer. Sinkerballer or the guy who did it on Friday?

  17. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    “Who’s more likely to give up a HR, Sergio or Joba?”

    As often as Mitre, as often as he’s pitched lately. Yet Girardi has felt compelled to give all the work to Gaudin in the last few games.

  18. RSM September 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    I like Girardi, always have. Was absolutely thrilled when he got the job. But, there is really no way you can’t question some of his decisions this last week.
    More importantly, this team is terrible at situational hitting, and have been all year. When no one homers, they can’t win.

  19. LGY September 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    “I guess you’ll have to do one of the things that I do best. Wait and see.”

    ———————————-

    What is there to wait and see?

    Gardner went for an MRI today, Swisher has one tomorrow, he used Mariano for 3 innings in 2 days and got nothing out of it, Sabathia got worked hard again with 120 high stress pitches, the Yankees are unlikely to win the division now, etc.

    Joba is well rested? Great, considering he is so integral to this team’s success.

    What about his moves the past few days could in anyway benefit the long term Yankees? If you can’t identify them, how can you defend them?

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    “The Chamberlain stuff is indeed just asinine. ”

    This forum has one of the biggest love-hate relationships with Joba that I’ve ever seen and nobody’s been thrown in Girardi’s face by the media more than Joba. If he chanced letting Joba go out there and possibly losing that game, nobody would have heard the end of it. He played it the way he felt was best for the possibility of winning the game and also for the games coming up.

    JMO

  21. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Edit: Mitre, as often as he’s pitched lately. Yet Girardi has felt compelled to give all the work to Gaudin in the last few games.

  22. Wang IS Taiwan September 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Sinkerballers who haven’t pitched since Sept 5 don’t have much sink to speak of. Their pitchers are up and then they are out. Not fair to compare when Mitre hasn’t pitched in eons.

    Wang was like that, as well. They’ve gotta get work in or their pitches are up over the plate.

  23. Wang IS Taiwan September 14th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Rich, you said it first. That’s about it with sinkerballers.

    But now we know that it wasn’t about securing the win because it wasn’t a do or die but a “let’s rest them some more”, so I understand Mitre being in. Gosh, it helps so much to hear Girardi’s explanation after all.

  24. Yogi Mantle September 14th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    “Eiland suggested the decision was primarily about saving bullets.”

    _________________

    There comes a point when saving bullets can not only lose the battle, but lose the war. With the way this team has been playing recently, a win tonight would have helped the whole team.

    What are they being saved for? Tomorrow? What if Nova implodes and the game is a blow out? Are those “bullets” going to be more effective eating innings then? This game was winnable. Instead, Maddon gets bragging rights and the Rays gain more confidence.

    Lately, any close game seems like one they are likely to lose. How long till that becomes the accepted norm, and the team plays to that expectation?

    At least they will save “bullets”.

  25. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Rich, the team is taking the long view…………..

    And unless you expect Cash to have ESP and unless you expected him to forsee that Javy would fall apart, then I don’t get the problem. He had CC, AJ, Andy (a rock), Javy – again, as the #4 starter and Phil. Even if you replace Phil with Joba, you still needed another pitcher and there is no way anyone could have predicted his total crash and burn. Joba didn’t earn the starting spot this year, he just didn’t – and he was bad last year. Taking the long view doesn’t mean junking a year.

  26. m September 14th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    That pitch was not up, nor over the plate.

  27. RSM September 14th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Wang, you nailed it.
    I had to contain myself over the weekend when Joe said he expects they will play well down the stretch.
    Isn’t NOW down the stretch?

  28. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Yogi, agreed – good post.

  29. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    I cant believe all the Girardi hate. This guy brought the team together as a family last year and brought us something we hadnt had in 9 years.

  30. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Rich, so you wanted CC, AJ, Andy, Joba and who? Phil? That’s terrible………..

  31. The Other Phil September 14th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    # Wang IS Taiwan September 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Sinkerballers who haven’t pitched since Sept 5 don’t have much sink to speak of. Their pitchers are up and then they are out. Not fair to compare when Mitre hasn’t pitched in eons.

    Wang was like that, as well. They’ve gotta get work in or their pitches are up over the plate.
    ========

    Yet the pitch wasn’t up. It was down and in. Kid just turned on it.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 14th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    “What about his moves the past few days could in anyway benefit the long term Yankees? If you can’t identify them, how can you defend them?”

    I’ve already discussed that in detail. I am not here to debate with you at 1:00 in the morning. I’ve stated my position about his moves and why I believe he did the things he did and how it is an attempt to benefit the team. Whether you agree or disagree is of no moment to me. If you want to know my position, go over my posts. I hardly intend to start enumerating again for your sake. If that answer isn’t sufficient, oh well.

    I talked about all of this in detail at the end of the games in Texas and again tonight. If you were too upset about the losses to read and absorb the stuff, that’s on you. Again, I understand his reasoning. Whether you agree with it or not is on you.

    A good lawyer needs to be able to look at and understand all sides of an issue. Hopefully you’ll get there some day. You do show signs of it from time to time.

    ;)

  33. m September 14th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Anyway, I feel bad for CC. He deserved to get #20 tonight.

  34. RSM September 14th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    CR9,
    What has Joe done for me lately?
    ;)

  35. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    When you say the kid just turned on it, you did mean the kid that will never do anything against the Red Sox just turned on it. Reid Brig knack, who has no desire to perform against a team in red kits!

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 14th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    “This game was winnable”

    Yogi, maybe it was maybe it wasn’t. I didn’t see anything screaming out that the Yankees were on their way to a win. If it was winnable – and we don’t know that – at what cost? 16 innings of burning out our pen and having guys unavailble for the next two games?

    Lots of unknowns and lots of Monday Morning quarterbacking.

    Just some thoughts.

  37. CB September 14th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    The pitch that Mitre threw Brignac was absolute garbage.

    It was awful.

    Posada was set up on the outside part of the plate. Which makes sense because you don’t want to give Brignac anything to pull. Make a mistake over the inside part of the plate and that’s a pitch he could hit for a home run.

    Mitre completely missed his spot unfortunately. In fact he missed his spot by a foot and a half. And what was particularly impressive about the way he missed was that the pitch was a change up. Change ups usually have arm side run and bad. This one had almost none.

    Instead it wound up not on the outside part of the plate where it should have been but on the inside part of the plate. It was an 84 mph pitch with no movement on it and thrown right in the spot where most left hands like the ball and find their power stroke – low and away.

    Brignac has a .700 OPS this season. He hit that home run in large part because Mitre got behind in the count and then made the worst possible mistake in location on the worst possible pitch he could have made a mistake in location on.

    His command was poor that entire at bat. Which wasn’t unexpected because he’d hardly pitched.

  38. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    RSM – LOL! I would consider the 2009 World Series title lately!

  39. RSM September 14th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Down and in to a lefty is the “Happy Zone”.

  40. The Other Phil September 14th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Jeez, CR, give it a rest. There’s no conspiracy against the Yankees.
    And why even bring the Sawx into the conversation? They’re done beyond done.

  41. CB September 14th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Sorry meant to write the spot where most left handed hitters like the ball and find their power strokes – low and in.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 14th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Night all. There’s really nowhere to go from here because we’re all going to believe what we believe. Which is fine. It’s what makes the world go round.

    Hopefully better things are ahead.

    :)

  43. SAS September 14th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Betsy,

    I posted a long comment at the end of the last blog. Would you be angel and repost it for me.

  44. jacksquat September 14th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    We still have Joba Rules? As a reliever? Two days rest not enough? :?:

  45. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    You’re right. There isn’t a conspiracy against the Yankees. There are, however, players that are biased against the Yankees and decide to perform against us. Reid Brig knack being one of them!

    I agree the Red Sox are done, but lost 7 of 8, red sox back within 7, play us 6 more games, beat us in first 8 games last year, anything’s possible, especially when umpires are on your side and against the Yanks

  46. The Other Phil September 14th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    CB, he definitely missed his spot, no doubt. I was specifically addressing the assessment that sinkerballers leave pitches up if they don’t get work.

  47. LGY September 14th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    “A good lawyer needs to be able to look at and understand all sides of an issue.”

    ———————————-

    I have never used the phrase the pot calling the kettle black in my life, but right now it seems very appropriate.

  48. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    SAS, I’ll just copy and paste it since I don’t know how to technically repost!

  49. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    m -

    It’s too late. That became a fact as soon as the ball was hit. It was Mitre meatball and no amount of actual video evidence to the contrary will change it.

    :(

  50. Wang IS Taiwan September 14th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    RMS — Yep, now IS the stretch when your lead is so slim and your’re having real problems scoring. That’s when you need your manager to at least put you in a winning situation, not limit any advantages you may have.

    I just don’t see “settling” in a scoreless game when all you need is someone to hold and one run to be scored.

    Girardi has often taken away some distinct advantages from his team (resting guys) when they’ve played our chief competitors this year: the Sox and the Rays. Interesting. I remember thinking back then that he seemed afraid to truly compete — not going out with your best to win. Of course, back then if I’d posted that thought, I would have gotten — “it’s a long season, we gotta save our guys for the playoffs.”

    Well, we might not even get there at this rate. Our schedule is awful the rest of the way.

  51. SAS September 14th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Thanks so much.

  52. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Betsy

    As I said, I am willing to live with the growing pains.

  53. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Here you go!

    From SAS:

    You know the Yankees have been playing with injuries all season long. Not just one serious injury but a plethora of small injuries (except Nick Johnson). Derek has had an awful year at the plate. Tex couldn’t hit to save his soul for over 2 months. Yet we have been in 1st place almost all summer.

    If the Yankees are the wildcard team and healthy, they can go far. If these relatively little injuries are not healed……………………….

    It is no one player. They have played their hearts out even when they should be on the bench.

    Criticizing Girardi and Cashman get you no where. Mistakes are made by the best of us. Tonight I really think Girardi goofed bringing in Mitre, but maybe one of the other guys would have done the same.

    One could say that Cashman should have gotten a better 2nd string catcher with Posada as hobbled as he is. Maybe we wouldn’t have liked that guy either.

    If it were so easy just to spend a bundle of money for a team, the Yankees would never have lost a year since George took over.

    By the way, I am not interested in the Red Sox problems, and they played quite well considering their circumstances

  54. The Other Phil September 14th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    CR, whatever. Keep thinking that everyone in the league wants to give the Sawx a pass while sticking it to the Yankees. Enjoy the sky in your world.

  55. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Ok Rich, so are the Yankees – to a point. They can not punt a season………….and they shouldn’t; they are the Yankees, not the Royals. It was going to be one of Joba or Phil this year.

  56. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Some people post some fatuous and condescending stuff

  57. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    LOL Phil! And by the way, the umpire guided that Mitre pitch – with his eyes – right to Brig knack’s bat and then off the bat over the RF wall. The umpire used his mind to make that a home run.

  58. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Plus, maybe they didn’t see Joba as a starter- I’ve no idea. I’m not one who believes they “wanted” Phil to win the #5 spot; I believe it was a true competition and Phil pitched better.

  59. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Rich, did you think Phil should be put in the pen last year or left in the rotation? I think he should have been left in the rotation – that is, I thought that last year. Now? I think I still wish he’d done so.

  60. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    How much do we all think that the Yankees should pay the umpiring crew for each series to be fair?

    Ill go with $50k per umpire per series. That’s $200k per series in the regular season.

  61. The Other Phil September 14th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    # Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Some people post some fatuous and condescending stuff
    ===

    Welcome to LHYB.

  62. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Betsy

    That’s why I distinguished between purely baseball and business motivations.

    “………….and they shouldn’t; they are the Yankees, not the Royals”

    If the RS can develop Lester and Bucholz, so can the Yankees.

  63. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    “If the RS can develop Lester and Bucholz, so can the Yankees.”

    No we cant. Because their pitchers get benefited by favorable HP umpires. OUr pitchers get cheated and have to do things on their own.

    It’s easy when the umpires aid you all the time. Just ask Lester and Buch

  64. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Mitre threw a good pitch?

  65. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Rich, Lester is an extraordinary talent……..No, the Yankees can’t just develop another Lester. If they do, they’re awfully luckly.

    Buchholz is 26, Phil is 24…………….That said, Buchholz throws harder and has more pitches. I have no problem with how the Yankees have developed Phil; he’s been unlucky with injuries. If he doesn’t develop into the kind of pitcher Buchholz is, that’s on him. He’ll be given another shot next year – but IMO, it’s a huge year for him. I hope he can unstubborn himself.

    Joba is Joba’s worst enemy.

  66. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Luckly?

    Lucky, lol.

  67. The Other Phil September 14th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    # Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Mitre threw a good pitch?
    ========

    No. But I don’t believe it was a terrible pitch. It should have been low and outside but it was low and inside.

  68. m September 14th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    CB,

    Thanks for that. The reason why I asked the question sinkerballer vs. Joba was this. Was the prospect of throwing Sergio out there worth “unretiring” Joba for the night?

    We had tried everything to that point. Got through Gaudin’s house of matchsticks. So, it was up to Sergio to get it to the offense which had failed up to that point. Unfortunately it didn’t happen.

    But it was preconceived not to use Joba.

  69. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Lester is not an extraordinary talent. He and Buchholz came up and were nothing more than 100 pitch 5 innings pitchers.

    Then, with the help of HP umpires gifting them strike calls and then other teams swinging at their slop balls, they “became” “good”

    If Phil could put a Red Sox jersey over his Yankees jersey, then batters might whiff against him and go down without a fight. Instead of him being a 100 pitch 5 inning pitcher.

  70. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    LOL

    http://twitter.com/#search?q=joe%20girardi

    “Tampa Bay Rays have just signed Joe Girardi to a lifetime contract to manage the New York Yankees.”

  71. SAS September 14th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Thanks again, Bets

  72. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    CB -

    You’re saying it was a meatball, just a different variety? Swedish instead of Italian? :)

  73. m September 14th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Nick,

    How’s your portfolio? Crazy start to the NFL season. 3 upsets off the top of my head. 2 just from tonight.

  74. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    You’re welcome, SAS!

  75. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Betsy

    Phil was rated more highly than Lester and Bucholz by most mL analysts as prospects.

    Who looked better than Joba as a starter in 2008?

    Meanwhile, the rotation is in shambles yet again.

    That the Yankees’ resources enable them to get a pitcher of CC’s caliber is great. When that type of talent comes from, grab him, no matter what.

    But I can do without the AJ and Vazquez types, who rarely can put up good seasons back to back.

  76. stuart a September 14th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    dave eiland with some additional stupidity. they have all the big guys tommorrow.. really is he that stupid. so the moron is counting on a rookie in about his 6th game to basically give them a good 5 or 6 innings. instead of going with the A team today with CC on the mound>>>>>>>>>

    really if that makes sense to you you are a moron……………….

    they are stupid, bottom line stupid idiots…………

  77. tyanksfan36 September 14th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    I have been a Yankee fan since 1999 when I went to my first spring training game when I was 12. I’ve always kept up with the team through the winning and losing seasons. Ill admit that I’ve followed them a bit more recently because they jumped back into my radar after winning the WS last year. Because I’ve followed them so long, I know they can’t win every year. I feel as long as they’ve gone out there all season and have given it there all then that’s all that matters. Winning championships is just a bonus. The thing is lately they’ve been slumping, Joe has made some questionable moves and they haven’t been able to step it up. I know they will snap out of it because they’ve been so good all season but its just so hard to watch and being in Tampa, these series are magnified times a thousand. Sorry for the rant, and with that said. Goodnight. Hopefully we get a win tomorrow and start a new win streak and finish out the season strong.

  78. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    Im 99% confident that Lester is the product of the umpires and the red sox uniform.

    Im 100% confident that Buchholz is the product of the umpires and the red sox uniform.

    Stick those 2 on any other team, and they are nothing but slimy pigs. Just like Nomar Garciaparra or David Ortiz, or Manny Ramirez, or Derek Lowe, or Bill Mueller. Slimy slimy slimy slimy piggies!

  79. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Rich, that was a long time ago; Phil is not going to be able to live off those laurels forever. Lester has become a real stud and Buchholz had a great year and we’ll see how he develops further. I’m not saying Phil can’t be good or very good, but he’s not the same kind of talent as Lester. He doesn’t throw as hard and doesn’t have the variety of pitches – he’s just not as talented. Buchholz has made great strides; we’ll see if Phil can do that

    Joba looked great in 2008, but he looked awful in 2009. Do I think that means he can never start? I admit that I can’t say that……………but the Yankees still weren’t going to have 2 kids in their rotation, both of whom were completely unproven.

    The Yankees are hoping that Phil will put it together next year and that he can be a guy they can build around, so that it will make it easier with the first of the killer B’s comes up.

  80. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    “So, it was up to Sergio to get it to the offense which had failed up to that point. Unfortunately it didn’t happen.”

    It was also up to Girardi to give Mitre to give him regular work. He failed.

  81. stuart a September 14th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    hallelujah joba and others are rested tommorrow to back up nova..

    they used gaudain and mitre tonight when CC pitched..

    CHAD how can you let Girardi feed you this garbage???????????? Eiland with those comments is as educated as a 8th grade shoool boy………

    they gave the game away, literally……………………btw i am still pissed the yused gaudain the other game when it was tied and he gave up 2 runs.. gaudain must have nude photos of girardi or something else girardi may be losing his mind………….

  82. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    I’m getting tired. Too many typos and not proofreading.

  83. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Can someone please acknowledge the umpires??? Pretty please, with red socks on top?

  84. Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Betsy

    We disagree. GN.

  85. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    I don’t think the Yankees want to have to rely on the Javy’s or AJ’s of the world anymore either, but it’s going to take some time before we can start relying on our kids.

  86. UnKnown September 14th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    From what I read here tonight on what is approximately about 1600 posts there seems to be two sides. One side Girardi can’t do anything wrong and the other side is Girardi shouldn’t show up to Tropicana Field tomorrow. I guess for me and what I can’t figure out is that I have been really in favor of Girardi since he took over last year. But seriously even to the Girardi lovers, this past week more to be exact 8 game his decision making has been putrid. I mean you all know it, Girardi has been doing a horrible job. Hence 1 and 7. He just is not putting this team in a position to win games.
    With that being said he is the manager and is a World Championship manager so let’s see what happens the rest of the way. He obviously is going to be the manager till the end of the season for better or for worse. I just know how hard it will be to win the World Series if this team does not have HFA so I would love it if he could take these games more seriously soon.

  87. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    m, I had a plus college and NFL weekend, but I didn’t play too many games.

    Cal Bears + New York Giants + Green Bay Packers = Happy Times.

    Tonight all I had was the Jets +3.5 and +10.5 in a few teasers.

    And Jets parlayed with the Yankees. Girardi! :mad:

  88. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Ok Rich, good night.

  89. CB September 14th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    That pitch Mitre threw was almost literally the worst possible pitch he could have executed in that situation.

    Late in games like that you don’t want to make mistakes over the inside half. Those are the only pitches a light hitting guy like Brignac can drive.

    Mislocated change ups are also the worst pitches to make mistakes on. They have no velocity and if they miss their spot and have no movement they are batting practice fastballs.

    Mitre at baseline isn’t a very good pitcher. He got beat by mis-executing his third “best” pitch.

  90. The Other Phil September 14th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    # Rich in NJ September 14th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Betsy

    Phil was rated more highly than Lester and Bucholz by most mL analysts as prospects.

    Who looked better than Joba as a starter in 2008?

    Meanwhile, the rotation is in shambles yet again.

    That the Yankees’ resources enable them to get a pitcher of CC’s caliber is great. When that type of talent comes from, grab him, no matter what.

    But I can do without the AJ and Vazquez types, who rarely can put up good seasons back to back.
    =========

    I’m not as baffled by AJ as I am by Javy. I really thought he would give good innings and be the quality 4 that he was brought here to be. AJ is AJ. Electric stuff, can’t get out of his own way.

    I do think that Joba has been completely screwed by the ever-changing Joba rules and it’s completely wrecked his development. At this point, what is he? 7th inning guy? 8th? Mop up? Potential closer of the future? Possible 4 or 5? Who knows? Seems like the Yankees don’t know anymore either.

    I almost wish they would trade him to a team that will put him in the rotation, just to see how he’d do with consistent work.

    Look at James McDonald. Never got a shot with the Dodgers. Spot start, long man, mop up… Now pitching with PIT every 5 days and pitching well. Small sample size, sure, but it’s promising. Joba needs to work consistently so he can learn and work out his mistakes.

  91. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    It’s not going to take time. IT’s going to take favorable umpiring and other teams to put up minimal effort for our Hughes or Joba’s to succeed to the fullest.

    It speaks volumes of CC that he can outpitch the max effort of other teams and the umpires. He really does deserve the CY for his performance this year – mainly because of both of those factors.

    I LOVE CC

  92. m September 14th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Yes, he should have. I don’t know why Sergio was the forgotten man. I don’t know why Gaudin has been used more than Sergio. But Joe’s no idiot when it comes to bullpens, so I trust his judgement on bullpen matters.

  93. steve sax arm September 14th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    rich in jerseyland. makes sense now that cashman tried so damnhard to the lee and then haren. i remember somes dudes here, guys with letters for names or names with a letter saying that the yanks needed another starter. betsy the stalker chick went ballastic on those sufer dudes about it. betsy is that glenn close chick who stalks michael douglas, she a wackup, she salks sj44

  94. UnKnown September 14th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    stuart a very very well said.

  95. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho.....-back.html

    Wayne Roooooooooney is back with Coleen! WoooHoooo!

  96. stuart a September 14th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    cb don’t use logic. posada knows very little for a 39 year old catcher.

    allow a weak hitter to speed up his bat by throwing a change on the inside corner… only guys with the aptitude of; jorge, or girardi, or eiland can think they clearly.

    then again eiland said they have all the big guys for the pen tommorrow, but the yanks call up no additional arms for the stretch run like every other team in the league……

    makes me long for torre and his stupidity………

  97. stuart a September 14th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    screw girardi.

    i have never ever been as pissed at my teams coach as i am now.

    he is a disgrace.. i would love to argue with that clown………..what a friggin joke……..

  98. Dill Pickler September 14th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    He throws away a game that’s there for the winning, or at least that you have a chance to win, so he can save his bullets for tomorrow’s game, which may be out of reach in the third inning? Even a child has heard the one about the bird in the hand. Girardi has exposed himself as a clueless, overmanaging moron. Granted, he doesn’t “swing” the $200 million bats that have been choking and flailing so often this season, but that doesn’t excuse his idiocy.

  99. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Unknown -

    I don’t think it’s that black and white. I think some people just don’t want to tar and feather Girardi for making mistakes, and who believe the outcome of the last few games doesn’t fall solely on the manager’s shoulders.

  100. m September 14th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Cal Bears? Big win! We play their opponent this week.

    So, you lost on Jets tonight? Or won? Pluses and minuses confuse me.

  101. Captain Clutch September 14th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    What makes Girardi or Eiland think they will need Robertson or Joba tomorrow with Garza pitching for Tampa? The Yanks usually don’t touch him and they can’t hit anyone right now. I hope they smack Garza and his stupid cocky attitude around but I don’t expect it to happen.

  102. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Tim Red Sox McClelland
    Walt Patriots Anderson
    You have everyone under your spell
    When I come into contact with either of you
    You will no longer be feeling too well

  103. m September 14th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Chad,

    Please. Can you do something about the noise?

  104. Wang IS Taiwan September 14th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    m and The Other Phil,

    You’re right — the pitch was low and inside, but nevertheless, not where it needed to be.

    Doreen — it was a Swedish meatball, I believe. Just not a tasty one for the Yanks.

    Gotta run. Long lunch is officially over. I was so excited about this game. Alas…

    Still don’t like Girardi’s decisions, but what ya gonna do? He’s all we’ve got right now.

  105. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    http://yankees.com/joba-to-start

    Joba is going to start?

  106. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Dill Pickler -

    This game was not a bird in hand. The Yankees had not scored a run. The Yankees only scored one run yesterday, and while they scored plenty of runs on Fri and Sat, they left an army on base which ultimately made the runs the did score insufficient.

    But I think he fully expected Mitre to do the job. You can question whether that was a reasonable expectation or not, but I’m sure he didn’t put Mitre in there to get the game over with.

  107. theREALkevin September 14th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Lol if trisha was a GM or owner you’d have job security for life and be free from any standards. Manager makes a ridiculous decision and she’s asked about it- “but..but he’s the head baseball coach for a major league team!! He’s the manager!!! He played in the major leagues too!!”. Um ma’am answer the question- why did curtis grandersin bunt on a 2-0 count against a fastball pticher who just gave up a bullet to a slumping hitter? With colin curtis coming up? Trisha- “but he’s the manager!! His name is joe girardi! Ahhh!!!”. Its too bad people like u help stain this blog. Some ppl know a decent amount on here but you come here spewing this righteous positivity but really its just ignorant BS. Why would you try to tell other ppl when they’re wrong when you obviously know nothing yourself??

  108. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Rich, one more thing (in case you see this tomorrow):

    I think if Joba had performed even solidly as a starter in 2009, nevermind brilliantly, he would have remained in the rotation and Phil would have been the #5. Unfortunately, he didn’t……….

    Anyway, tomorrow is another day, so the only thing to do is think positive.

  109. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Noise? Would that be the noise of a fairweather Yankees, Lakers, and Patriots “fan” ?? :lol:

  110. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Jets net winner for me, three teaser bets, the other pieces hit over the weekend.

    Lost a couple smaller parlays with Yanks and with Arsenal.

    The pluses were bigger than the minuses.

  111. UnKnown September 14th, 2010 at 1:48 am

    Doreen – Yeah I don’t think it should be black or white. But he has to do better or it is going to become very clear to me which way I am going to lean. Again he is not pitching or hitting but the decisions he has been making lately have been disgusting. Especially when this team has all the potential in the world to repeat and it feels like Girardi is taking that away from them. That’s all. Two more big games in this series. Be nice to win at least one of them.

  112. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    How can someone say they are a Lakers, Yankees, and Patriots fan with a straight face?? :lol:

  113. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    That would be like me saying “Im not crazy” with a straight face :lol: Damn, my straight jacket is getting a little uncomfortable. Guard, a little help here….

  114. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    Don’t click on CR9′s link, that’s how he tracks you down and kills you.

    I’m told.

  115. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    I think if the offense can pull itself together, that would go a long way toward righting the ship. If Nova goes out and pitches as he has, that will be an uplifting thing as well.

  116. Dill Pickler September 14th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Doreen, it was a tie game. That means it was winnable, which tomorrow’s game may very well not be with a rookie starting. What I’m getting at is he is “saving his bullets” for tomorrow’s game when those bullets may be useless tomorrow. Of course he didn’t KNOW Mitre was going to give up a 500-foot homer to Reid Brignac but come on! You (inexplicably) want to give Joba a second day off. OK, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. Then why do you not run Kerry Wood out there for a second inning after he only threw 11 pitches?

    My point is that the game was tied. It was winnable (if only the pathetic slumpo offense could score a run. Against ANYBODY). Tomorrow’s may not be. But hey, if we’re down 10-0 in the second, at least he’ll have the whole bullpen to eat innings!

    And, by the way, when your offense is struggling, here’s a clue for Girardi: when the opposing pitcher can’t throw a strike and falls behind 2-0 and 3-0, maybe take the bunt off for a pitch or two and see if the pitcher walks your pathetic “hitters”? Bunting Granderson 2-0 against a righty to get to september call-up Curtis??????? Explain that one!

  117. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    :lol: Dont worry, I wouldnt waste my life on insignificants like you guys! I’d go for David Ortiz, Tom Brady, or Bill Belichick. If im gonna do something stupid, Im gonna make it count :)

  118. theREALkevin September 14th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Uhhh yeah I second the don’t click on the link

  119. igotid88 September 14th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Why not move Phil up 1 start? And have him pitch tomorrow. He’s undefeated I believe after Yankee losing streaks. 9-0 or 10-0?

  120. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Sorry for the repetitive posts tonight! I am in a terribly angry mood over the referees in the Jets game and the lack of effort by the Yankees hitters! And of course Rafa screwing me out of another $2k by losing a set to loser Djokovic!

  121. CR9 September 14th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    The link was meant to be a fake Yankees url with a picture of Tom Brady on the ground after Bernie Pollard! Darn it, I only went 1 hour without laughing at Mr. Broddy!

  122. SAS September 14th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Good night everyone

  123. igotid88 September 14th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:46 am
    Rich, one more thing (in case you see this tomorrow):

    I think if Joba had performed even solidly as a starter in 2009, nevermind brilliantly, he would have remained in the rotation and Phil would have been the #5. Unfortunately, he didn’t……….

    Anyway, tomorrow is another day, so the only thing to do is think positive.
    ================================

    I wanted Phil to start last year. I felt Wang was not going to come back in winning form. But was glad they kept Phil up in the majors. I was one of the first here to suggest Phil for the bullpen. If he wasn’t going to start.

  124. Eduardo September 14th, 2010 at 1:59 am

    That link leads to Yankees.com

    There is no mention of Joba starting. Joba has been in the bullpen all year. He is not starting now

  125. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Dill Pickler -

    Because no one in the history of baseball ever bunted a runner into scoring position to try and scratch across a run in a scoreless game where it looks like all the pitchers are locked in and one run will win it?

  126. Eduardo September 14th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Grant Balfour just came into the game and gave up a base hit to Kearns and fell behind in the count to Granderson. How is that locked in?

  127. Dill Pickler September 14th, 2010 at 2:05 am

    Doreen, he bunted Cervelli with the count 3-0 in Texas. And Granderson, the count’s 2-0 and you have a rookie on deck. He is giving up outs with a team that is slumping. The least you can do is take the bunt off for a pitch or two and see if the pitcher digs himself a hole.

    I don’t know anyone who has ever played the game who doesn’t find that curious, to say the least.

  128. Dill Pickler September 14th, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Again, a guy with 17 homers, former all-star, against a pitcher who just came into the game and gave up a hit, and you keep the bunt on so your september call-up can drive in the run?

    ?

    Bunting 3-0???

    I understand trying to scratch out a run in a 0-0 game. But what does it hurt to at least take a pitch or two. Or let Granderson swing away with the hole on the right side.

    It’s called “overmanaging.”

  129. theREALkevin September 14th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    Doreen you’re not examining the details. It was a pitcher that just gave up a rocket to a slumping batter. He fell behind 2-0 to granderson, a big disadvantage for any pitcher especially a fastball pitcher like grant balfour. At that point with a great hitters count, giving away an out to a struggling pitcher with a guy who can hit home runs at the plate in a hitters count.. Not smart. On top of that, granderson never hits into double plays, and rookie colin curtis is on deck. And then the struggling jeter. The move made no sense and it seemed pathetically stock-like. That, combined with his inexplicable use of his pitchers tonight make girardis moves lately very hard to defend.

  130. Eduardo September 14th, 2010 at 2:11 am

    “Doreen you’re not examining the details. It was a pitcher that just gave up a rocket to a slumping batter. He fell behind 2-0 to granderson, a big disadvantage for any pitcher especially a fastball pitcher like grant balfour. At that point with a great hitters count, giving away an out to a struggling pitcher with a guy who can hit home runs at the plate in a hitters count.. Not smart. On top of that, granderson never hits into double plays, and rookie colin curtis is on deck. And then the struggling jeter. The move made no sense and it seemed pathetically stock-like. That, combined with his inexplicable use of his pitchers tonight make girardis moves lately very hard to defend.”

    +1

  131. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 2:18 am

    Okay. Granderson could have taken another pitch, I guess. But it’s not like a weird move no manager would ever do.

    Perhaps I’m bending over slightly backwards to give Girardi the boftd, but, I think it’s in response to everyone going overboard the other way.

  132. m September 14th, 2010 at 2:18 am

    You may not like Joe’s moves, but his players are failing. Time and again. And don’t tell me they are turning against him.

    Chad posted that Texas or TB has only 1 position player hitting above .300? Well, guess what. So do we. We only have 1 regular batting above .300.

    And Chad, he was conservative with the bullpen, but used Swish and Gardner. Another team this past week used a player headed for the mri tube. Swisher told Girardi he was available to hit. Gardner himself said he felt a lot better. It was pinch hitting and pinch running for those two.

    Anyway, yes, Girardi’s made some curious moves. But the players need to step it up.

    Tex and Cano have fallen off a cliff.

  133. Dill Pickler September 14th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    I can see bunting Granderson if you have another of your regulars hitting behind him. Not Colin Curtis.

    And yes, M, you are absolutely right. Girardi has been awful lately, but it’s the players who are not producing. Gardner getting caught stealing 3rd with two outs is inexcusable. We have a leadoff hitter with a .319 on-base percentage. The entire lineup has been extremely streaky all season, and they all seem to fall off a cliff together. Over and over and over. How many horrific team-wide slumps can one team have in a season?

  134. theREALkevin September 14th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    M you’re right. When the players are struggling, the manager is way more under the microscope because the margin for error is much thinner. So, girardis very questionable decisions lately are being analyzed more, also in part because a lot of the games have been close. It doesn’t change joes mistakes and it doesn’t change the players underperforming. Its just that I hold a manager even more accountable because frankly, I think his job is a lot easier to execute. But yeah I can’t explain cano. He has disappeared and he seems to be pressing, his improvements this year were in large part thanks to more patience at the plate and taking the walk if they wished to walk him. As a result he was in more hitters counts and drove the ball more. His patience has vanished lately.

  135. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 2:30 am

    m -

    Yup.

  136. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 2:34 am

    How much credit should Girardi get when the players do well?

  137. m September 14th, 2010 at 2:35 am

    There were times last season when the offense, starters, and bullpen, couldn’t get on the same page at the same time. This is similar.

    The losing streak feels longer because of the walkoff. But at least we had the walkoff. We’re still in a good position to win the division, and barring disaster we’re going to the post-season.

    Heads up, everybody. :)

  138. Eduardo September 14th, 2010 at 2:39 am

    Baseball managers can do more bad than good. In the last week, Girardi has over managed the team out of games. Managers lose more games than they win for a team.

  139. m September 14th, 2010 at 2:41 am

    When do you ever hear Girardi get credit?

    It’s always, “CC had a huge game.” “Alex put the team on his back.”

    You’ll never hear, “Girardi outsmarted _____” The players almost always get the credit.

  140. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 2:43 am

    I see. Surely I don’t know why anyone would want a job where you get no credit when things are going well, and all the blame when they’re not.

    Perhaps if his players were performing, he wouldn’t need to “overmanage.” ?

  141. theREALkevin September 14th, 2010 at 2:45 am

    Nick it depends. First off its nearly impossible to measure how much like, emotional impact girardi has or how great a leader he is unless you’re in the yankees organization. Let’s ignore that. If the yankees are a machine and winning consistently and relatively easily, a managers job is honestly pretty easy. When there are close games, extra inning games, or when a team is struggling.. Its on the manager to execute even better. He’s needed more. If the yankees were winning a bunch of close games and the team was playing decent overall but not awesome, I’d be inclined to give a ton of credit to girardi. But they’ve been losing a bunch of close games lately.

  142. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 2:46 am

    I would love to see Girardi outsmart someone — besides Girardi. :(

  143. Eduardo September 14th, 2010 at 2:47 am

    Doreen – If managers just sat back and did less, their teams would benefit more. Have you ever heard the saying “Less is more” or “Less is better”? That saying holds true a lot in baseball with managers. Often times, the less they try to do ends up helping the team more. Why would anyone want the job where you get no credit….? The money, the fame, the status

  144. theREALkevin September 14th, 2010 at 2:47 am

    Agree w/ eduardo totally as well.

  145. m September 14th, 2010 at 2:48 am

    I take that back. Girardi did win GTLU. :lol:

  146. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 2:54 am

    The 7-digit salaries are a big part of the allure of the job.

    And whether there is praise or scorn on Lohud doesn’t matter at all, the results as judged by his superiors are all that matter. If Girardi is riding in a parade in late October, it really won’t matter how many headscratching moves he’s made during the season. Then we can just suffer through another championship run next year. :)

  147. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 2:57 am

    “Perhaps if his players were performing, he wouldn’t need to “overmanage.” ?”

    Sure, but when things are going badly, that’s when the pressure is on. How does Girardi do when the pressure is at its most intense? This is crunch time; is he doing well down the stretch?

    I honestly don’t know and I don’t think anyone really knows. So the jury is out.

  148. Professorg September 14th, 2010 at 3:04 am

    A $200 million dollar payroll and we only have one lefty in the pen and with the game on the line and an important game at that, the best we have is castoff nibbler Chad Gaudin. Damn right I would have gone with Joba. In fact I would have let Logan pitch to a few more batters. What the hell difference does it make if they ended up being right handed hitters. Gaudin ended up facing lefties. Taking the bat out of Granderson’s hands was a bad idea. The guy is much better against righties and it’s not like he was followed by the meat of the order on deck. Isn’t that what we got this guy for to begin with? Swisher and Gardner are busted up, the Captain and Posada are shells of their former selves, ARod is not the same ARod and Cano’s bat has slowed considerably. AJ is a head case, Vasquez looks like the old Vasquez, Hughes is not what he was and I could go on and on. We’re in deep you know what and no anal micromanaging will make it better. We need a damn miracle here. Where would we have been last year if ARod didn’t carry us. He’s our only hope.

  149. theREALkevin September 14th, 2010 at 3:04 am

    Nick so far down the stretch this year anyhow, girardi hasn’t performed. Neither have the players. Do both parties have time to turn it around? Yes. Can the yankees make another postseason run to the world series again this year? Yes. But if the team and joe perform in the playoffs the way they have so far down the stretch here, they won’t go anywhere. I still like their chances cuz honestly I’m not sold on another team. And the yanks are still loaded with talent and experience. The roster and the manager have to step it up, though. Its up to them.

  150. m September 14th, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Okay, lights out, folks.

    Another rough day in rough week. But tomorrow’s another day.

  151. Nick in SF September 14th, 2010 at 3:23 am

    Yes, the sun will come up tomorrow — on our second-place Yankees.

    Hopefully for the last time this season.

  152. Bo knows September 14th, 2010 at 3:23 am

    Boy there are few that aren’t out to hang Joe. Personally I go back to Texas. Struggling pitchers going against good starters ending in Lee. Rationally he’d want to win one game. So in the first game he blew out the BP waiting for the offense to score a run. Next day another teaser, Mo fails, Joe blames himself. The Lee game, still no offense, today nada. So he gave the offense 10 innings to show life and at that point he’s playing the next two games. Because every inning they don’t score Tampa has two innings to his one. He can’t afford to repeat the mistake he made in Texas and blow out the BP again.

    Now I don’t sit and shoot the breeze with Joe but it seems to me that the above would come close to his thinking. Now either the offense comes to life, the middle of the order, and NY wins the next two and he has a BP to preserve those games or they continue to tank and at that point he sets up for the wild card. Tampa has the much easier sched.

    I really have difficulties with all the keyboard warriors screaming slurs as reality checks. Joe and Pena are very bright men, both ex catchers, both winning awards as managers. Somehow I fail to see how they could be as stupid as portrayed. They are dealing with the situations as they develop and are aware of tactics today and strategy for the future.

    However unless Alex and Berk pick up the team and carry it for the next few games and jumpstart the offense I don’t see the Yankees remaining in first place. Too many negatives, from the injuries to age to the starting pitching.

    By the way, bless you ladies for remaining calm and rational, a pleasant change from the hysterics.

  153. joeman September 14th, 2010 at 6:21 am

    it’s very possible that they get swept in this series also, they just aren’t playing well now…the bats are getting beat by good pitching

  154. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 14th, 2010 at 6:33 am

    We are going to see this offseason how much of the “George” fire in the belly lies within in current ownership. NO WAY that George puts up with this p*ss poor managing of 200mil + worth of talent to lose 7 of 8 ( and SHOULD BE 8 Straight, except for a miracle by Swish that Joe had ZERO to do with that win )…We should all expect that Joe doesn’t even see the need to position Andy to come back against Tampa instead of the O’s in the grand “view” of things. Any slug could manage the Yankees right now to the “gift” of the WC. It is going to take a REAL MLB MGR to take these last 22 games of the season and manage them WELL and win the division. So far, he was at the “reigns” of losing 3 out of 4 heading into this admittedly very tough end of the year, and a simply fantastic 0-4 to start the last 22 games. Let’s see if he can get his head out of his butt long enough to get the Yankees the HFA that anyone with HALF A BRAIN can clearly see, for THIS team, is a very big advantage in their quest to get back to the World Series…

  155. tyanksfan36 September 14th, 2010 at 6:55 am

    As much as joe has been treating this past week like the allstar game, something has to be blamed on lack of offense, Tex is what? O-1000 same with Cano. And everyone else. You can’t win a game by only hitting singles and that’s whay they’ve been putting up. Hopefully last nights loss jump started something. The rays needed to work for first place, not get it handed to them which is why we will have it back sooner than they know as soon as the power hitting Yankees wake up.

  156. Abe Peterham September 14th, 2010 at 7:12 am

    Bo, great points.

  157. upstate kate September 14th, 2010 at 7:14 am

    good morning early birds
    great pitchers duel last night, too bad we ended up on the wrong side of it
    there were definitely some missed opportunities as Price went longer into the game
    hopefully the offense comes alive tonight

  158. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Good morning all.

  159. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 14th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Truth be told, the Yankees are more vulnerable because of their lack of offense than Girardi’s strange moves. Even if he makes the right moves pitching wise, there’s no guarantee that anyone is going to get a hit.

    This is a critical time for the team and for the first time this year, I’m really concerned for the team’s future.

  160. upstate kate September 14th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Yes, I agree Laura, the offense has certainly been lacking, altho I can’t blame them against Price.

    Garza struggled his last time out and is a very emotional pitcher…hopefully they can get on base early and get him rattled.

    I couldn’t understand why GGBG tried for third, but listening to him in the post game gave me a better understanding…his thought was to take the slider away, so Kearns would have a better pitch to hit. Still a bad idea, but at least he had a reason.

  161. LathamJoe September 14th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Lots of things to be concerned with on this Yankees Team:

    Moving runners into scoring position is virtually non-existent. No one (except Jeter and Cervelli – when he plays) wants to “give themselves up” with a grounder to the right side to advance a runner – they all want to justify their multi-million dollar salary by hitting the Homerun.

    Hitting with RISP is one of the worst in MLB for the talent in this lineup.

    The Starting pitching is mediocre and inconsistent. After Sabathia and Pettitte, who can you count on for a quality start? At this late stage, its starting to affect the BP arms, not to mention the Playoff chances.

    Girardi is not as smart as he thinks he is. Questionable moves all year long, especially with the BP. How many times has he said “2 innings for Rivera is off limits”. Yet he brings him into a tie game with 100 degree heat, on the Road. Just one of many questionable moves this year.

    The continued presence of the Mitre/Gaudin combination on the Active roster is quite a mystery. Neither are consistently effective. And to keep two of them? :( Royce Ring, a much needed Lefty specialist, has had a terrific season with SWB, yet he languishes in AAA. Why?

  162. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    I stayed up way too late defending Girardi’s honor. The man’s integrity was being brought into question, and whether or not he’s make too few or too many moves, and whether or not the moves he’s making are the best ones, I really object to the suggestion that he is trying to lose games to get the wild card on purpose.

    I think it’s unfair to say that those of us who are trying to see perhaps the thinking behind those quizzical moves from a more positive angle are pom-pom wavers. As I said last night, my main concern is the offense and the fact the there is one starter who can be counted on to go beyond 6 innings right now.

    Anyway, enough rehashing for me.

    Today’s another day. A fresh start.

  163. upstate kate September 14th, 2010 at 7:42 am

    At this point, CC is the only starter you can count on to go deep into games. Phil is on an innings limit, Nova is inexperienced, AJ is unpredictable. Both Mitre/Gaudin can go long. Maybe we see one of them go when Andy returns?

  164. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 7:44 am

    Latham Joe -

    I was wondering if there was a lefty in the system who could maybe come up and help out.

  165. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Actually, Gaudin and Mitre haven’t been perfect, but they have had some very good outings between them. Gaudin made it a little tricky last night, but he did get out of it.

    There are very few middle relief guys who are going to be lights out all the time, and you can’t expect that no one will ever reach base. As long as no one scores, that’s the point.

    Mitre was better before he injured his oblique or whatever it was during interleague and had to go on the DL.

  166. upstate kate September 14th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    IIRC they showed a graphic last night that the Yankees bullpen had the lowest ERA, I think the BP is the least of the Yankees troubles

    and it was great to see Al Leiter again!!! I learn so much listening to him and Kenny call the game.

  167. SJ44 September 14th, 2010 at 8:13 am

    The bottom line is, the team is 1-7 in it’s last 8 games.

    Part of the reason that’s the case are the odd usage patterns of players by the manager.

    Some guys (Arod) get too much rest.

    Others (Cano) get no rest.

    You NEVER, and I mean NEVER have a short bullpen in September with expanded rosters. Yet, the Yankees had one last night.

    Why? It’s the managers job to make that does not happen. Yet, it did and that falls on him.

    Having Granderson bunt last night with a rookie bench player on deck? Questionable strategy at best.

    He’s using the WC as to much of a cushion and it’s thrown his team into it’s worst slump in two years.

    It’s his job to get them out of it.

    If he can’t, he’s the wrong guy for the job.

    Just because he wears a Yankee uniform doesn’t make him right.

    If folks believe he hasn’t done a thing wrong re: strategy or player usage-wise in the last eight days, you either don’t understand that part of the game enough to offer an opinion or you are so blinded by hometown you can’t see it.

    He’s the manager of the team. His job is to put the players in the best position to win every night.

    If you believe that’s been the case the last eight days, we can disagree.

    What won’t fly though is the, “he’s the manager, he knows best”.

    Over what we are seeing right now, that fallback line is carrying little weight.

  168. Yankee Trader September 14th, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Good morning all-

    Very tough loss compounded again by some very questionable moves. The Yankees have one reliable starter, and have to hope that Pettitte will come back to form and provide them with solid innings, as well as getting all players healthy. Just too many question marks to build any confidence that this team can go far in the playoffs.

    Included is John Harper’s article this morning:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....yanks.html

  169. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Phil’s not going deep into games has nothing to do with his innings limit, Kate – he just hasn’t been performing well at all. If he were pitching well, Joe would let him go deeper…………..but he’s not been.

  170. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    I would say the Yankees have been in worse slump before, including last year, but the manager is making it worse. I don’t want this guy managing my team anymore because, IMO, he’s managing tight. He won’t let his players play – I don’t think there was any reason at all to sit Alex in Texas, esp. after Swish had to be withdrawn – and he always has to fiddle around or tinker with something. He makes dumb decisions, like going with Joba over Phil, and continually pinch running for his better hitters. I also do not want my manager managing to win the WC. If that’s where they end up due to their play, so be it, but Joe is making a half-hearted attempt to win the division and that’s inexcusable. I’m not going to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he’s the manager

  171. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Since our SP is so bad, and since for some ridiculous reason Joe decided to play with a short pen, it makes no sense to not let Wood throw another inning or Logan to face a few more batters.

  172. Yankee Trader September 14th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    - Yankees eighth.
    - Posada safe at first on S.Rodriguez’s error.
    - Kearns grounded into a double play, shortstop Bartlett to second baseman S.Rodriguez to first baseman C.Pena, Posada out.
    - Granderson singled to center.
    - Swisher pinch-hitting for Golson.
    - Swisher grounded out, third baseman Longoria to first baseman C.Pena.

    I didn’t hear the explanation for why Kearns didn’t sacrifice the runner to second, who if faster than Posada, would have possibly scored the winning run on Granderson’s single.

  173. SAS September 14th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Good morning all,

    Today is a new day. Last night was a tough one to watch after all the terrific pitching on all sides. I suppose it beats a sloppy game where we gave one away, so I am going to try to be upbeat and forget the end of the game and remember the fine pitching performance of CC et al.

  174. sunny615 September 14th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    He is the manager and I believe he’s an idiot when it comes to situations of a tie or losing by one or two runs and the starter is out of the game. This is where he starts to pull his stunts and gimmicks based solely on that stupid stat book of his. Putting in Thames over Kearns in TX because Thames saw the guy 3 times? This is where his inexperience becomes a glaring problem. He has to rely on that stupid stat book because he doesn’t know what to do. His micromanaging is just awful. And it’s detrimental to winning games.

  175. sunny615 September 14th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    BTW the entire offense owes CC a steak dinner for putting up crap last night.

  176. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 14th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    SJ44 is again spot on. Girardi’s job is to put the team’s best players where they can help the team WIN THAT VERY BALLGAME ! He seems like he is managing for tomorrow and for next month and the fact that he knows his team has virtually NO CHANCE of losing the WC is giving him too much “free reign” to continue to manage his way right into that spot. He got too much credit for last year’s championship and now he is getting ALL THE CRAP HE DESERVES for HIS mistakes helping the team become the Padres of the American League ! :-(

  177. SJ44 September 14th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    The Yankees never had a streak last year where they lost 7 of their last 8 games.

    IIRC, they haven’t had a streak this bad in September since 2000.

    That’s how bad it’s going.

    We now see if he can pull them out of it.

  178. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    SJ44 -

    It’s not ALL on Girardi, though.

    Are these not professionals? A few lineup changes throws them into a tailspin? I am not saying nor would I ever say that every decision Girardi has made has been the correct one. Certainly the players have to look at themselves, as well.

    But that’s not the only thing going on here. They have no pitching right now beyond CC Sabathia. No matter what moves Girardi makes, you can’t cover that up. You can only go so far before the cracks show. And the offense can’t compensate because key guys are limping around.

    I agree Cano hasn’t gotten enough rest. ARod being on the DL didn’t help that. Kearns was hurting (and slumping), so Swisher was allowed to call him own shots about being well enough to play, as was Gardner.

    Lots of stuff is going awry. There are maybe things Girardi could do differently, but it sure seems he’s trying awfully hard to get through to where he’s got Pettitte back, his bullpen gets some pressure eased off them, hopefully, and some guys who are banged up heal enough to be effective again.

    I don’t get how Girardi all of a sudden became a dunce. Seems to me it coincided with the implosion of the pitching staff and the fall-off of the offense. And he can’t hit or pitch.

  179. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    They had a stretch last year where they played lousy ball for a long time – more than one – but the worst was right before Cash flew down to Atlanta. Either way, I can accept the struggling from the team because they are trying; I can’t accept struggling from the manager. I don’t expect Joe to be able to necessarily pull them out of it because he can’t hit for them and he can’t pitch for them, but if he can’t put them in the best position to win (not to finish 2nd), then he doesn’t belong managing them – or any team.

  180. Phil in Columbus September 14th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    I know Joe is getting grilled for his poor management decisions the past week or so. While I think they are deserved, I see a deeper problem. Joe has no personality and shows no emotion. That is how his team is performing on the field. When Gaudin got the last out in the 10th, Tony Pena’s reaction was a fist pump. Joe and Eiland’s reaction was to go look at the damn book and the stats. No matter what line of work your in, you have to have fun at your job. Joe is tight all the time and the team is tight in big situations. Just my opinion, but I think the Yanks win in spite of Joe, not because of him. A leader lends his personality to his team the longer he is around.

  181. CB September 14th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    In September:

    Mark Teixeira

    .209/ .370/ .256

    0 HR/ 5 RBI

    Robinson Cano:

    .213/ .229/.234

    0HR/ 5 RBI

    This is perhaps Cano’s first truly extended slump this season so it’s difficult to get on him. But it’s coming at a horrible time. And a .463 OPS over the 11 games he’s played means he’s literally contributing nothing to the team other than making outs.

    Tex – he can be extremely inconsistent. Most players are streaky to some degree but Tex is particularly streaky. He goes in these 3-4 week cycles alternating between good to great to being of marginal value.

    It’s very difficult to have your 3 hole hitter do that. It’s good to see Tex still getting on base – but passing the baton to the guys behind him isn’t what the team needs right now, especially with Cano slumping, Alex still coming back from injury and not in there everyday, and Swisher hurting a great deal. He’s hitting .209 and that means he’s just not going to be knocking in many runs. On top of that he’s hitting for no power – a .256 slugging pct.

    These are all small samples – but I bring these splits up because this is what these two players have done during this time in which the offense has just stopped functioning. It’s very difficult to score if the #3 and #5 hitters in the offense are producing so little.

    Tex and Cano are the two all star caliber players on this team who are still in their primes. Last year at this time Alex put the team on his back and carried them to the world series. Due to injury and perhaps age he may not be able to to do that know.

    They need Cano and Tex to step up. And it’s Teixeira in particular who needs to do so as he cost them several games in the beginning of the season when he was complete black hole in the line up.

    Tex was brought in here to be the foundation piece as the other veteran players aged. He needs to put this team on his back during this month. Let’s hope another hot streak starts tonight and last for the rest of the season.

  182. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    The thing is, we’ve got Nova and Phil going tomorrow. Should we have any confidence in them? Nova’s a kid and he’s doing quite well, but if he struggles it would be no surprise. Phil ? Well we all know about him. It’s hard to win consistently when your starters are so mediocre or bad.

  183. 108 stitches September 14th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    It might help by changing up the batting practice routine of players in and out of the cage taking long swings. Use a good portion of the time practicing situational hitting …… moving runners along.
    The home run is NOT the be all – end all. Too many times this season the team waits for the long ball as evidenced on this road trip. Even at this late stage of the season, different approaches can be utilized. Stranding runners is getting old and tired.

  184. sunny615 September 14th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    I don’t believe it’s all of a sudden. People have been scrutinizing his odd moves for the past two years. Pitching matchups based on absurdly low sample sizes (I recall one move last year where he swapped out a relief pitcher after throwing one pitch (Robertson I believe) to get an out and then going to get another reliever because a lefty was up – and lost the game because of it and that guy had seen him all of 2 or three times and struck him out once or twice), throwing in pinch hitters/runners left and right. How many times has he put Gardner (or other PR) into a game to take second only to have Gardner (or other PR) just sit there during the entire at bat and be a part of a GIDP? It’s only glaring now because of the expanded rosters and Girardi now has more bullets to play with. He’s ridiculous. The only reason he got a pass last year was because the team was talented and healthy enough last year to overcome him micromanaging. Doesn’t look all that good this year. Especially now that the rosters have expanded and Girardi has gone apparently mad with the options before him now.

  185. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Cano’s slump? I just accept it and hope he bounces back. He carried the team on his shoulders for a long time and now it’s time others do the same. Tex got the big bucks and the long term deal and he really needs to do his part. When Alex has struggled like this in the past, he got lambasted by the fans and the media. Tex has escaped all this………………

    Alex should be playing every day – we’ve got days off. If he has to rest Cano, so be it, but Alex needs to be in the lineup consistently. He’s fine – he’s not going to fall apart.

  186. Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Ok, later!

  187. upstate kate September 14th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    the next 2 games could certainly go either way…I am hoping for the best

    the Rays haven’t seen Nova, so that might work out in the Yankees favor…the Yankees aren’t the only team that struggles w/ pitchers they haven’t seen before. Nova doesn’t get rattled on the mound, or at least he hasn’t yet…this will be a good test, especially if the rays get on base and get the running game going.

    I am looking for Phil to have a bounce back outing. IIRC he pitches better on the road, YS is where he has given up most of his HR

  188. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    And I ask this question. If he goes all out now and plays everyone and they still lose because they can’t swing a bat, what then? If he goes all out now and they win every game from here on out and get the division and HFA, but are so worn out that they’re one-and-done, what then?

    I do think Girardi is worried. And walking a fine line. I don’t think he’s TRYING to get the wild card, but I do believe he sees it as a safety net, and is trying to operate the same way as if he had a big lead in the division – resting guys as much as possible. Even if it’s inconsistent as to who is getting rest and who isn’t – that’s the part that I give the benefit of the doubt, because that’s the part I have no clue what information he has that we don’t about the health and welfare of his team.

    I don’t know why they didn’t call up more pitchers. The more the merrier, even if they don’t end up being used. But since no starter beyond CC can go more than 6, it probably would be a good idea to have a couple more arms. He could have used Albaladejo last night, and Javy was a last resort. Mo was available if they got a lead – which, isn’t that the way most people want Joe to use Mo? I’m not sure Albie does any better than Mitre. I don’t know why Joba wasn’t used, but he could just as easily have hung a slider like the other night.

    When people were questioning keeping AJ in two starts ago because the bullpen was rested and was going to have rest, I said I still thought the bullpen was in danger of being overexposed. You can’t have to use the pen like that every night. 3-plus innings, more likely 4, every night.

    I think he’s using Logan sparingly because he’s the only lefty out there. I think they should bring up another one just to have.

    It’s been a lousy 7 out of 8. Just don’t agree with questioning Girardi’s integrity. His moves? Sure. Not his integrity.

  189. Al in Houston September 14th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    This is really irritating. Everytime we loose a game this month…..its seems to be OK……we are resting players……getting ready for a BIG Oct. Enough of this! Win some games and get some momentum going. How can our bullpen be depleted when we could have called up 3 or more pitchers and didnt because we want Kevin R or Juan M on the bench???
    We are loosing so many battles by the time the big war gets here we will all be rested with no momentum, no best record, and no home-field advantage. Come on guys!

  190. sunny615 September 14th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Wouldn’t it be great if Nova threw a Perfect Game or No hitter tonight?

    Back to reality – I just hope the offense shows up tonight as the airline seemed to have misplaced the Yankee offense when flying in from Texas. Or maybe they left it in NY?

  191. SJ44 September 14th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Doreen,

    I didn’t say its all on Girardi. However, those completely absolving him from blame ain’t watchin’ the games.

    He fills out the lineup card.

    He has to be the guy to sit Swisher if he is hurting. To see Cano is scuffling and give him time off.

    The calendar is there for all to see. This series is an important series and he is “short” in the bullpen?

    If that’s the case, he has nobody to blame but himself. That’s on him.

    Part of Girardi’s problem is the mistaken belief he has that the WC is his “cushion”. Its not.

    Unfortunately though, due to his ineptness, injuries, and the overall malaise with the team, its looking more and more like the WC is where its going to end up with the Yankees.

    Not smart but, its up to Girardi to make it work.

  192. sunny615 September 14th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    I don’t question Girardi’s integrity – just his over active brain.

  193. pat September 14th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Tangential topic…….

    Concert at the Stadium last night appears to have been a HUGE success.

    JayZ and Eminem were joined by Beyonce, Dr. Dre, Chris Martin, Kanye, Drake, 50 Cent and many others on stage and even included Mr. Steinbrenner in a tribute piece.

    Concert lasted from 7:30 until around 1am and the reviews this morning are off the charts good.

  194. SJ44 September 14th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Hopefully, the field is better protected than it was after the fight that was held earlier this year.

  195. Fran the original September 14th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Between the Yankees and the Jets offense last night I don’t know which one depressed me more.

    I do think that Girardi over manages sometimes in terms of stats, but I would never question his integrity.

  196. CB September 14th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    “The home run is NOT the be all – end all. Too many times this season the team waits for the long ball as evidenced on this road trip. ”

    The Yankees have hit 3 home runs over the past 3 series. During that time they’ve just stopped scoring as a team.

    That’s not an accident.

    The last time they won a game was the last game they hit a home run.

    They’ve played plenty of “small ball” during that time. They goal of “manufacturing runs” is to put runners in scoring position by trading outs to advance runners.

    During this slump the yankees have had many players in scoring position.

    Last night they played small ball – they bunted Granderson even when he was ahead in the count and facing a pitcher who has awful control. That’s how committed they were to small ball last night. And it amounted to nothing. Gardner ran them out of another scoring opportunity by trying to manufacture a run. Posada made an out trying to steal a base via surprise, again trying to “manufacture” a run small ball style.

    People love to talk about bunting and small ball. And when it doesn’t work, there’s no commentary on that. Instead, it’s often taken as evidence for even more small ball and bunting, etc.

    This yankee team gets on base at a good rate. They hit for good but not great power – and that’s the issue. Because this team doesn’t generate base hits at the same rate they did last season.

    Playing small ball and advancing guys into scoring position is only valuable if you wrack up a lot of base hits. This team isn’t built that way. Their #3 hitter is not built that way, for example.

    It’s no accident that hitting home runs has been the most reliable way through which they’ve scored runs this season. Without power this team may struggle to score and that’s what we’re seeing now.

  197. Mgumpher September 14th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    One thing we have seen repeated a number of times this year is the offense being either hot or cold. They seem to go into slumps together and out of them together. Cano is looking tired, why hasn’t he gotten a little extra rest. That might get him back to hitting better and help knock the team out of the funk they are in.

    This team has scored a decent number of runs but the batting averages are not very good as a whole. The Rays seem to have some similar problems, where they go into similar slides where their offense shuts down or the pitching falls apart.

    The most frustrating thing right now is this about the worst that this team has played this season. This following a period where they had been playing very well. After going on a 8 game winning streak, they fell off the earth. That just doesn’t make much sense.

  198. Doreen September 14th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    SJ44 -

    I don’t think right now Girardi has the ammunition to make it work. It’s all about starting pitching. And he hasn’t got any. Everything else falls from that. I believe it makes the offense tight (which is not helped by their overall fatigue and banged-up-ness) and it compromises the bullpen (a position of strength for the team without which they’d be in worse shape).

    I don’t know what he can reasonably do beyond saying he needs more pitchers on staff right now. A move here or there to make or not make? We don’t know how the at-bat works out if Granderson doesn’t bunt. We don’t know what happens if Gardner doesn’t stupidly try to steal third with 2 out. We don’t know what if Posada doesn’t try to steal second, what happens next. What if a few hard-hit balls are not right at people. What if, what if, what if. How do you get Teixeira and Cano to hit? How do you get AJ to be a pitcher – go on a hot streak for a change?

  199. Mgumpher September 14th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Using the WC as the safety net is the wrong way to approach the closing out of the season. I think that is one of the biggest downfalls of having the wild card. There is no real penalty from coming in via WC. Other than HFA, and that isn’t that large a factor, even with this particular team.

    Its discouraging to see how things are being handled down the stretch. If the players are that banged up and in need of time off, then I’m all for giving it to them, but then don’t use them at all. Have them ride pine and hope that one of the call ups can cover.

    CB, I don’t think that its exclusively HRs that drive the team, but it isn’t that far away from that mentality. They don’t string a lot of hits together. I think they also seem more prone to pressing this year when they have a bump in the road.

  200. zippy September 14th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    the offense stinks. its been that way since cashman jettisoned damon and matsui. not to mention melky and hinske. forgot, granderson replaces damon and matsui’s bats. he’s so clutch.

  201. SJ44 September 14th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    He has the guns to make it work. He’s just not using them wisely.

    Every team has injuries. Even with the Yankees injuries, he still has a talented enough team to be better than 1-7 in their last 8 games.

    Sometimes, you have to be creative and sometimes you have to deploy players properly.

    If he can only manage a stacked team, that’s ok.

    It makes it easier to move on from him and let him go to Chicago in the off-season because you don’t have to overpay for a manager who can only manage a stacked team.

    Those guys are a dime dozen.

    Bottomline, as with his team, he needs to pick up his game. No excuses. Either get the job done or take the heat.

    That’s the job description and getting ticked off at Kim Jones last night for asking the right questions is misdirected fire on his part.

  202. G. Love September 14th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    I think one of my biggest questions is what is going on with the selection of players with this team over the years that is causing this inability to get base hits?

    This has been happening here for awhile. In the late Torre years we all were frustrated as the team was either walking or waiting for 3 run HR’s.

    Now the team, again, seems incapable of stringing together base hits with any modicum of consistency.

    Is this the trap you fall in when you place high premium on OBP?

    Does high OBP make the team passive?

    I don’t understand the utter inability to hit for any sort of average.

    That said, Jeter, Tex and Arod’s averages are all lower than they should be so that explains some of it.

    But getting hits other than HR’s has been a problem here for awhile.

    It’s why there was a constant hue and cry here for guys who could put the ball in play and do positive things with outs.

  203. SAS September 14th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    When push comes to shove, the players have to make things work regardless of Girardi. All of the players are capable of getting hits when up at the plate even the ones I personally would rather not see on the team.

    Between some of Joe’s questionable moves, and the lack of response on behalf of the players, the team has looked dreadful at times.

    Price is a super pitcher at the moment, and the Yankees sent CC to combat him. CC did his job. I don’t understand the moves not to use the usual pen pitchers, but obviously that decision was made by Girardi and Eiland.

    I don’t think we should make excuses for Nova and Hughes the next couple of days. They both seem capable of pitching well. Time will tell. I hope Girardi doesn’t act in a reactionary way and pull them if someone gets on base. Hopefully, we can pull out 1 or both games and go into Baltimore on a more positive notel

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