Swisher still hurting, still limited
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 14, 2010 
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Nick Swisher has already had one MRI on his left knee, and it showed nothing but inflammation.
“But I found that really, really hard to believe,” Swisher said.
The Yankees are sending Swisher for a second MRI today. Whatever the picture shows, Swisher is clearly hobbled. He hasn’t moved well for about a week now, and last night he had no chance of running out a ground ball to third base. He told Joe Girardi before the game that he was available for anything Girardi needed him to do — and he can still swing the bat — but he’s not built to move right now.
“I felt like I put some good swings on it,” Swisher said. “He came right at me with some fastballs. Situation like that, all you’re trying to do is put something in the gap. Obviously it’s a lot easier said than done. I got out there, gave it a good at-bat, saw eight or nine pitches and then took it to the house.”
Today, he’ll take it to the MRI tube to double check that there’s nothing torn or broken. Whatever the results, Swisher’s pain is obvious on the field, and his frustration is obvious in his voice. Here’s his postgame session last night.
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Trisha, I hear what you are saying and of course, we could be wrong just because we said it in advance. In fact, I said what was Joe doing pitching Gaudin and even though it was an adventure, he pitched a scoreless inning so the outcome was good.
However, I do look at the big picture and I do look at all the permutations and do not look at the one situation in a vacuum. I am a COO of a company and I probably have better reasoning ability than Joe Girardi and while I got injured and never made the majors, I was a Div I catcher and was drafted. Joe has more information at his disposal than I do, but that doesn?t mean I don?t have valid points or I haven?t though through the situation?of course it also doesn?t mean I am right either?Once Matsui and Damon were gone I was in favor of the signing of Nick Johnson
Swisher needs to do more hamstring exercises to compliment quad/glut workouts. There is too much strain on the knees over time when you ignore hamstrings.
More leg curls swish.
Less squats, leg press and leg extensions.
“When all is said is done, the Yankees will either be 28 time World Champions or will not be solely because of the umpires. So bashing Girardi or Jeter, Grandy, Alex, or any Yankee is pointless”
And though that may sound like an over-the-top statement, I definitely agree with you in theory. The same posters who criticize Girardi are willing to give the umpires a bye because “that’s the way it is.”
Umpires are unequivocally the tenth player in the game and that is just not right. I don’t think of it as a wholly anti-Yankee bias. I’ve seen them stink to high heavens in games in which the Yankees are not participants.
If posters care about truth and accuracy in the way things are done, they should darned well be concerned about bad umpiring because those bad calls can and do contribute to teams winning and/or losing games they might not have otherwise won or lost.
It is a HUGE problem, it is the elephant in the room. Apparently some people have an easier time overlooking elephants than others do…
Just take a look at Swish’s body type.
Overdeveloped quads and glutts.
Underdeveloped hammy’s.
Wouldn’t you agree CR9?
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I’d move Granderson over Gardner, even paying a big chunk of Granderson’s salary. I don’t like Granderson’s platoon splits, plus he isn’t cheap and is older.
Rasmus is young and has upside. He didn’t have bad platoon splits in the minors, so I don’t think he is a bad risk platoon-wise going forward.
Matt Kemp would be fine. Ryan Braun, Justin Upton, Carlos Gonzalez. Aim high. If the Yanks were willing to put Hughes and Granderson in a deal, that ought to fetch something.
And, I wouldn’t be afraid to give up more in a deal than we get back, as long as we get back what we need. That’s an advantage in dealing from a position of strength, which the Yanks have.
The way the Yankees are currently performing offensively is a great example of why batting average is still a lot more important than the Sabermetrics crowd like to give it credit for. You have a high OBP/power offense and no guys that can consistently get hits then you end up with a team that strands a lot of baserunners and struggles to score when it doesn’t hit 3 run homers. The good news for the Yankees is that they have some high average guys that just have underperformed this season….if they perform the way they can then the offense will be fine.
I’ll agree that there are statistics out there that are better indicators of a players offensive production but BA is not irrelevant…far from it.
“And though that may sound like an over-the-top statement, I definitely agree with you in theory. The same posters who criticize Girardi are willing to give the umpires a bye because “that’s the way it is.”
Umpires are unequivocally the tenth player in the game and that is just not right. I don’t think of it as a wholly anti-Yankee bias. I’ve seen them stink to high heavens in games in which the Yankees are not participants.
If posters care about truth and accuracy in the way things are done, they should darned well be concerned about bad umpiring because those bad calls can and do contribute to teams winning and/or losing games they might not have otherwise won or lost.
It is a HUGE problem, it is the elephant in the room. Apparently some people have an easier time overlooking elephants than others do…”
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WOW! You always did have a way with words, Trisha. Perfectly stated. Even the ” I don’t think of it as a wholly anti-Yankee bias.” Absolutely perfect.
The people that do criticize the umpires say “Oh, well. They have to deal with it”
That philosophy is just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. These players get paid millions of dollars and are professionals. They depend on timing, routine, etc. It’s not hard to believe that they could fall into slumps because of inconsistencies in strike zones.
It’s like a boss at any company constantly confusing his employees as to what he wants done. One time, the boss wants it done this way. The next time, the boss wants it done a completely different way, but didnt tell you in advance. IT’S INCONSISTENCY and IT HURTS
“And though that may sound like an over-the-top statement, I definitely agree with you in theory.”
It is an over the top statement and agreeing with his theory means agreeing with his ludicrous “the umpires are conspiring against the Yankees” garbage.
The umpiring has not been as good as it needs to be. That’s crystal clear. However the Yankees have been a benificiary of that every bit as often as they’ve been a victim. Every team has.
The umpire conspiracy stuff is beyond stupid and only those with significant mental problems buy into that garbage.
“That said, with Joe G getting testy with the press means he is 2nd guessing himself IMO. When I get testy, it is usually when I’m wrong & have no defense. When I am confident there is no need to get testy. Joe G isn’t a macho guy, he is intelligent and capable. He knows he blew some things ove the last couple of weeks & his hindsight makes him uncomfortable.”
Ray, that’s interesting because the only time I get testy is when I am sure of myself and I still have to keep answering over and over to harping and/or insecure individuals. Or I get testy when I am overtired.
Since Joe G isn’t a macho guy, with that I agree, I don’t see him as someone who gets defensive to protect mistakes. He’s Italian and he’s an emotional Italian (not sure if there are any who are not emotional when it comes right down to it!). Being Italian I understand Italian. I think he is under a ton of pressure as manager of the Yankees and trying to pull together a team that is obviously struggling and answering to a “probing” media day after day would eventually get to anyone – especially if your team hasn’t been winning.
I call it Human Nature 101.
Wave Your Hat September 14th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
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I’d move Granderson over Gardner, even paying a big chunk of Granderson’s salary. I don’t like Granderson’s platoon splits, plus he isn’t cheap and is older.
Rasmus is young and has upside. He didn’t have bad platoon splits in the minors, so I don’t think he is a bad risk platoon-wise going forward.
Matt Kemp would be fine. Ryan Braun, Justin Upton, Carlos Gonzalez. Aim high. If the Yanks were willing to put Hughes and Granderson in a deal, that ought to fetch something.
And, I wouldn’t be afraid to give up more in a deal than we get back, as long as we get back what we need. That’s an advantage in dealing from a position of strength, which the Yanks have.
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Why give up the world for Kemp when you can sign Crawford for money alone?
I also doubt Braun, Upton or Gonzalez especially would ever be made available.
im going to the game tonight and im thinking of making a sign with Girardi’s name on it and flight times from Tampa to Chicago
“I’d move Granderson over Gardner, even paying a big chunk of Granderson’s salary. ”
I would too but for the reasons you mentioned I think the other team would rather have Gardner as well. I think he would bring back more in a trade because he’s cheaper. I don’t see the yankees picking up that much of Granderson’s salary to make up the difference between the players.
But the other team might want a power hitter so that would put Granderson in play. I’d consider moving either of them.
I also agree with you that they need to aim high – the roster spots are too valuable at this point not. They have so many locked in spots that if they find a player with the right skill set in a position of need they should try to get that player.
I wouldn’t trade Hughes as if they do that will leave them very short in pitching again next season. None of the high ceiling guys will be ready next year so you’d have to depend on Nova and Noesi for a good chunk of the season.
We’ll see. It’s very likely that none of these caliber of players will even find it onto the trade market.
“The umpire conspiracy stuff is beyond stupid and only those with significant mental problems buy into that garbage.”
I don’t believe there is umpire conspiracy. Just umpire ineptitude.
LOL Bill D/Stuckey! HAHA! “However the Yankees have been a benificiary of that every bit as often as they’ve been a victim. Every team has.” For that statement to be true, that means that every team in baseball has had to have the same amount of bad calls go against them, and cost them all the same amount of runs – both pitching and batting.
Not possible! Your statement should read “The Yankees have been a beneficiary of bad umpiring as has every other team. However, the Yankees have been a beneficiary far less often than every other team”
Your welcome!
“The umpiring has not been as good as it needs to be. That’s crystal clear. However the Yankees have been a benificiary of that every bit as often as they’ve been a victim. Every team has.”
While that may be the case, the fact that nobody has a scoresheet to tell which teams have been helped or hurt more or which teams have gotten totally screwed (think McClelland, Padres-Rockies) it is a problem that needs resolution. I don’t watch games to have the outcome determined by poor calls and it is at epic proprotion. If others are okay with it, so be it. I’m not.
SJ44 – Keep believing that baseball is fair and that these umpires dont have a bias. One day, you’re eyes will be opened. And I cant wait for that day! It will be Game 7 of the World Series, we’ll score the winning run in walkoff fashion, and the HP umpire will say our guy missed Home Plate. And we’ll end up losing, and either you’ll finally see it, or you will just make up the same excuses for the umpires as always.
I know you’re involved in baseball and well established, and have probably met some umpires and think they are good guys. You have to put aside your personal bias for these umpires and realize they have one job to do, and that’s screw the Yankees.
Ive met some referees in my day – Bob Delaney being one of them. Delaney claims to have grown up a Knicks fan. I treated him with respect to his face, but in the end, he’s just as scummy as Tim McClelland.
I’m scared to read the comments today. I avoided going over most of them over the weekend because I thought it might push me to do something crazy like scream at a child or push an old lady.
…do you guys think its safe for me to read the game thread? Or should I just let it go?
While that may be the case, the fact that nobody has a scoresheet to tell which teams have been “helped or hurt more or which teams have gotten totally screwed (think McClelland, Padres-Rockies) it is a problem that needs resolution”
Absolutely. I’m merely pointing out that umpiring has had no role in where the Yankees, or anyone else, stand at this point in the season. Their record is a very fair reflection of how they’ve performed this year.
Give him some time now, he’ll be needed in the play-offs.
Hell, everyone else has been getting rested, why not the guy that’s hurt…
Blake, I have to disagree strongly about your BA comments. The difference between hitting .300 and .250 is getting an extra 1 hit a week. If you look at OPS it covers the entire spectrum. In the long run, you will score more runs if your players have a higher OPS than players who have a lower OPS and a higher batting average.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 14th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
You are probably right. LOL! Just because I have more patience when I know I’m right doesn’t mean Joe is. I was looking at it from the engineering mentality, as stupid repetitive questions are the norm, since Joe G is an engineer by schooling & his managing is more in line with that training IMO. Engineers tend to look at defensive measures 1st, like the L-R-L-R type batting order. It is a defense he uses 100% of the time versus against something pragmatic. The R-L-R-L didn’t make sense with TB’s ace on the mound (LHP Price) since he wasn’t going to be pulled anytime soon unless the Yanks were in the lead big time.
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‘managers are looking 20 plays down the road’.
That is the most ridiculous statement about baseball I’ve ever read, period. Does that mean you call for a bunt in a tie game with a 2-0 count and a guy capable of hitting one out because you are looking at what could happen in 5 innings?
Baseball is, by its nature, a game based on strategy for a specific situation. It has nothing to do with relief pitchers ‘not being available’, it has everything to do with trying to make the most out of an opportunity to score runs. You make that decision based on the skills of the batter (or available pinch hitters), not on what could happen later in the game.
I’ve never been a big Girardi fan but recognize he’s done a pretty good job with the Yankees. I’ve grown accustomed to his overmanaging the bullpen and his Tony LaRussa imitation. In the last week, though, he has been really inconsistent with his decisions and doesn’t really seem to care about whether the Yankees finish 1st or 2nd in the AL East. I can accept that but would hate to see them get knocked out of the playoffs because they can’t beat the Twinkies in Minnesota in the ALDS.
“…do you guys think its safe for me to read the game thread? Or should I just let it go?”
Shame, definitely let it go. Today’s a new day though you can’t really tell that by some of the posts. You don’t need a rehash of he said-she said-they said.
Our record is a fair reflection…. blah blah blah….. The umpires just stole away 3 games in Texas from us. The umpires and umpires alone won those games. Primarily, the last game, in which all of the last 3 runs should never have scored. As Borbon bunted while standing on HP, and should have been out to end the inning.
Shame
I am never brave enough to read the game threads. I usually just go to the most recent post and scroll to the bottom. Weird stuff happens here at night.
“That is the most ridiculous statement about baseball I’ve ever read, period.”
Well that makes you lucky since everything else you read should be a veritable giggle.
Have a good day!
Bret – I disagree. I think Swish is perfect in every single way. Perfect face, body, smile. Any man or woman would be LUCKY to be with the perfectly sculpted Swish. Lucky Joanna Garcia!
Buster_ESPN
.Alex Rodriguez did not look good running the bases last night,and you have to wonder if NYY will rest him to get him as healthy as possible.
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A Rodriguez grounded out to second.
A Rodriguez flied out to left.
A Rodriguez popped out to second.
A Rodriguez flied out to left.
Running the bases? You mean trotting to first?
Good news for Swish, please.
Repost: why did Posada try to steal a base last night? He also ran into an out.
Genious Maker,
I didn’t say it was the most important stat…only that it does hold value. In the long run a team with a high OPS will score a lot of runs, but if they don’t have some contact guys that can consistently get base hits when they need them then they will be a team that’s prone to extended slumps…especially against good pitching. As CB said, Ideally you want guys that are well rounded hitters.
Hahaha, thanks ladies, I just needed to be reminded not to be a glutton for punishment.
That’s what Buster Olney wants it to be. He’s hoping upon hope that Alex is injured. But he wont just come out and say it like I do about the likes of Brady. He has to continue “hide” his anti-Yankee bias, as if he thinks it’s actually hidden.
“In the long run, you will score more runs if your players have a higher OPS than players who have a lower OPS and a higher batting average.”
But this is a false dichotomy and has limited application to how the yankees should be building their club.
Having a higher OPS does not mean you must have a lower batting average.
Balanced players who can hit for average, get on base and hit for power are the players you want.
That’s the blend that has made the yanekes so successful over the years.
If you don’t get on base a lot you’re a problem. That’s true. But players who derive their OBP from their batting average are being undervalued because so much emphasis is being placed on context independent analysis.
Indepedent of context, base hits don’t have that much value. In context they do, particularly when the team has other high OBP players on it. From the stand point of a team winning games getting those hits is important. It’s part of why the Angels year after year until this season outperformed their context independent projections.
“The umpires just stole away 3 games in Texas from us. The umpires and umpires alone won those games. Primarily, the last game, in which all of the last 3 runs should never have scored. As Borbon bunted while standing on HP, and should have been out to end the inning.”
See people don’t want to deal with the reality of bad calls that lead to games being won or lost. If it weren’t for instant replay on home runs, two games in a row in the last week and a half would have been called improperly and the end result of two games would have changed and been incorrect.
How many times does that happen in a season? No way to tell unless you take the time to count them all up. Can it change a team’s record and a team’s standing? Of course. Can it make a difference in a race such as that in the NL West? Absolutely. Could it make a difference in the end result in the postseason, based on which team get to play which other team in the NLDS? Absolutely.
That’s the elephant in the room but it’s easier for people to tranquilize themselves with statements such as “it all evens out in the end” than to deal with the hard reality.
The uglier reality is that MLB doesn’t seem primed to do anything about it.
“Repost: why did Posada try to steal a base last night? He also ran into an out”
That was odd. Was thinking maybe someone missed a hit and run, but Kearns isn’t the type of guy you’d normally do that with. Someone must of seen something they thought they could take advantage of (element of surprise?). If his slide was a little less goofy, he might have been safe.
“Repost: why did Posada try to steal a base last night? He also ran into an out.”
Surprise attack? Pitcher must not have been paying any attention to him and he tried to take advantage of it.
Posada has a miniscule chance of scoring from first uness all the Rays fall down or the ball hit goes over the fence so him getting to 2nd is a calculated risk with potential upside.
“How many times does that happen in a season? No way to tell unless you take the time to count them all up.”
Honestly, if any of us had half a brain we’d create a website that did just this and make a million dollars (I dunno how the site translates into a million dollars but I bet it would).
I was surprised by Po trying to steal a base as well…altho they did mention he had stolen several already this season…must have been a wild pitch or double steal or something
If anybody really believes they lost games in Texas because of umpires, you need help…….serious help.
Indulging in the fantasies of the mentally ill contributes nothing to baseball conversation here.
SJ44 – We won the first game of the series in Texas 6-4 in 9 innings. Just because we had 16 men LOB doesnt change that FACT. We won that game, and got screwed out of a 6-4 victory. I ask kindly that you do not indulge in your own fantasy that baseball is fair.
“Indulging in the fantasies of the mentally ill contributes nothing to baseball conversation here.”
It is not indulging in the fantasies of the mentally ill to acknowledge that umpires screw up calls on a daily basis.
“It is not indulging in the fantasies of the mentally ill to acknowledge that umpires screw up calls on a daily basis”
In this case, you’re doing both at the same time.
“Honestly, if any of us had half a brain we’d create a website that did just this and make a million dollars (I dunno how the site translates into a million dollars but I bet it would).”
Maybe if we were in a plush economy in the US with no problems with other countries, some people would band together and feel the luxury to do just that. Unfortunately, that probably gets pushed down on the lists of “what I have to do to survive.”
Of course we know better than to think that MLB will ever police itself, so it will remain a problem until someone decides to do something about it.
All of us have taken your ridiculous umpire conspiracy crap long enough.
Really, stop turning the blog into your own psych ward and get yourself some help.
This place isn’t the venue for your crap.
“In this case, you’re doing both at the same time.”
That certainly is not my intent. Bad umpiring it the potential ramifications has been driving me up a wall for some time now.
Managers screw up on a daily basis too.
That’s baseball. Deal with it.
should read “Bad umpiring and the potential”
I don’t think there’s a conspiracy at all.. but the idea of an independent source starting to track umpire errors is interesting.
SJ44 – I agree that I am mentally ill and that I need help. And I am seeking help. However, my views on the umpires are not ridiculous, are not conspiracies, they are FACT! If there’s one thing in life I dont need help on, it’s my views on umpires. I again ask that you please put aside put aside your personal bias for these umpires that you have likely met, and realize that they have one job to do, and that’s screw the Yankees. It’s clear for the whole world to see. It’s up to you to see it, acknowledge it, and not turn the other cheek as you oft do.
That’s the elephant in the room but it’s easier for people to tranquilize themselves with statements such as “it all evens out in the end” than to deal with the hard reality.
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Trisha,
I probably shouldn’t ask this but why are you encouraging this lunacy?
This guy is in here all day polluting this place with his inane drivel.
It’s annoying, boring and childish and unfortunately it’s now beginning to turn good posters away from this board.
I was told last week that the fans were the 10th player.
Now its the umps. I don’t know what to believe now
Jeers
I understand that it is annoying, boring, and childish to you. That is because you view sports as fair, and as a distraction from the difficulties of everyday life that you can enjoy. Unfortunately, it isn’t and I will not continue to allow people to believe in the fallacy of the fairness of sports. If you’re going to like the Yankees, you had better learn to like them on the terms that exist, not the terms that you want to exist.
“Managers screw up on a daily basis too.
That’s baseball. Deal with it.”
What’s interesting is that you are more than willing to impose your judgments on what should happen in a game when there is certainly room for disagreement and take off on that like a bat out of hell, yet you are willing to turn your head to what is unequivocally shown and proven to be bad calls.
Oh well, we’re not all built alike. I have never conveniently or blithely turned my head on something that should be corrected and just accepted the product happily or lazily and I’m not about to start now. I don’t know what I as an individual can do about it, but I am not happy about it and will continue to complain about it as I see fit. What better place to voice it than a baseball forum.
Looks like the tinfoil hat has grown.
Bronx, it just gave me a jumping off point for something in the game that has really bothered me. I don’t buy into conspiracies. I am an equal opportunity lender. I want it to be fair for everyone. I watch enough baseball to know that bad calls behind the plate are part of more games than less, and I am talking with all teams, not just the Yankees.
Okay nothing is going to be solved by going any further with this. Nobody here certainly has the ability to change it. So I’ve aired my feelings about bad umpiring. Time to talk about the Yankees.
Joba to the rotation!!
(CR9 & Trisha, I’ll just say “you’re welcome” in advance.)
Yet Trisha, you decide today to insist on encouraging a mentally ill person to go on with his ridiculous umpire theories that pollute this blog and take away from baseball talk here.
That doesn’t belong on this forum and you contributing to it isn’t helping.
It really is a shame that you “Yankees fans” would rather call a real Yankees fan sick than the umpires sick. It’s a CRying shame. This is what this world has come to.
The funny part about it is, that Red Sox fans actually believe that everything conspires against them. I’ll never understand where they get that idea; it’s probably a need to paint their $170 million payroll team as an underdog.
New York Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long working with Derek Jeter to get captain back on track
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....Yankees%29
sj 44.. the umps blew the kinsler call in texas. he was out at second and then the yscored that run… umps miscalls affect games. no different then last night when sabathia struck out a batter, all the yankee players were moving towards the dugout and the ump called it ball 4. the next guy for tampa got on base and then CC got out of it. THat miscall cost CC an additional 12 pitches or so.. 12 less pitches CC goes out for the 9th…i limit my complaints of balls and strikes since that is a very difficult job and they all make mistakes, but miscalls at bases on obvious play is inexcusable…………..
SJ44 – This is the perfect forum for it. It’s a Yankees blog, a baseball blog. And the umpires cheat the Yankees and by cheating the Yankees, they are cheating the game of baseball. Tell me a better forum for my factual proclamations, and I will go to that forum.
I don’t understand how everyday posters come on here and bash CR9 when the guy is pretty obviously messing around… at least I *thought* it was obvious.
Jeter has swung the bat much better the last two games. Looks much more like himself than he has in awhile….a big test will be tonight though against a tough righy in Garza….that’s what he’s mostly struggled with this year…
thanks Jacksquat…that is what we have been hoping for
Shame – I want to make this perfectly clear for you anyone else that thinks this is one big joke. The only joke is on the Yankees and every other New York team that gets cheated in every game.
I dont know how anybody that watched the Jets game last night could ever think that sports are fair or fun. There was nothing fair or fun about that game. And it’s not even like the referees tried to disguise their plan of action, they just went out there and said “We aint lettin’ you win this game, Jets”
Cr used to drive me nuts but I believe he is messing around.. He actually makes me laugh sometimes
If Shin Soo Choo is the next player in the line of Indians to be made available, the Yankees should target him this winter.
I don’t believe there is an umpire conspiracy. That’s just lunacy run amok. But I do believe that there has been some really out-there umpiring this season. A LOT of missed calls. One cost a no-hitter. Some have cost games directly or indirectly. Umpires don’t seem to have any incentive to “get it right.”
I don’t want to encourage the lunacy part of the discussion, but it is valid subject matter to discuss that bad umpiring has affected games this season – and not just for the Yankees.
However, that being said, all teams are affect and all teams have to deal with it and try to win anyway.
“If Shin Soo Choo is the next player in the line of Indians to be made available, the Yankees should target him this winter.”
Assuming his military service requirement can be satisfied, he would be on my short list.
CB, I’m surprised you qualified your earlier comments about “probably not Hughes” when it came to the idea of trading young pitching. Has this year made you think differently about him? I’m not sure if the Yankees are disappointed in his year or not, but I can not see Cash trading him -and I don’t blame him. That would be showing extreme impatience.
About Posada – I think I am giving all of the players a bye at this point in time because I think they are trying everything and anything to get some runs in, especially in a game like last night where base runners were a premium. I think they are at a point of desperation and so are taking chances they might not ordinarily take.
Anyway, I have to go do my civic duty and vote. I guess RI is one of the few states having primaries today (or is it one of the few NE states?)
I always thought umpiring was just part of the game. But the use of instant replay should be expanded.
“all teams are affect and all teams have to deal with it and try to win anyway”
You guys keep believing that. And then you’ll wonder why we have a $200 million payroll and dont win every year.
SJ44 September 14th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
You can be a good manager and have a bad week.
Just like good players have bad weeks.
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I agree with your entire post. It appears there are 2 bloggers that take up the most time, one that screams like hell over any setback, and the other that appears to have their head in the sand, and can’t see what is happening.
No, the Yankees will not win every game, and yes they are currently playing poor baseball.
To me it makes no sense to rest a well rested A-Rod, while allowing Cano, who appears to desparately need rest, to play every day.
Nor does it make sense to rest the best bullpen pitchers with the game, and 1st place on the line.
It’s not Girardi bashing to question the numerous poor decisions he’s made during this extended losing streak.
Those of you that keep saying you’re willing to wait and see, are not seeing what’s right in front of you day after day. You are the fans out of touch with reality.
Maybe they trade him next year if he has a similar year to this, but then if he does, we wouldn’t get much back for him. I just can’t see Cash doing this and I don’t think we should. Phil deserves at least another year to show if he has top of the line potential. If he shows that he isn’t going to be more than a middle of the rotation guy next year or simply the Yanks don’t have the patience to wait for him, then I guess yeah – trade before his value diminishes – but that could be a big mistake if he finds himself in a couple of years.
Stuart:
Ump definitely missed that strike three call to Zobrist. However, the next batter, Carlos Pena, grounded to first on three pitches.
Doesn’t make the missed strike call right, but it had no impact on whether Sabathia would be going out for the 9th. He was at 102 thru 7 innings instead of 99, and threw 18 pitches in the 8th. He wasn’t going out for the 9th at 117 pitches.
The thing that ticks me off about Joe is that he doesn’t seem to care about winning the division; it makes him look hypocritical for scolding the Yanks in KC. Ticks me off? I’m incensed.
“I’m not sure if the Yankees are disappointed in his year or not, but I can not see Cash trading him -and I don’t blame him. That would be showing extreme impatience.”
It is not a question of impatience. Hughes could turn out to be the 2011 Cy Young Award winner and trading him could still be the right move, if the Yanks got the right player for him.
It’s not really a question of Hughes or Nova or anyone else. It is a question of trading from depth and strength (in this case, starting pitching) for other things the team needs. If you can’t get the right guy without Hughes, Hughes should not be untouchable.
You know how they say teams play a “statement game.” Basically, that’s the perfect way to describe last night’s Jets game.
It was Monday Night Football, nationally televised, first home game for the Jets in their brand new stadium, and the Jets are the primary competition to the Patriots, and referees had a “STATEMENT GAME”
Their statement was that’s not happening. We wont allow it to.
That’s exactly what Game 6 of the 2009 World Series was. Joe West had a statement game. His statement was that he was going to do everything in his power in the final two games of the series to prevent us from winning. As Ive said 100 times, thank you Matsui and Pettitte and Marte and Rivera for bringing us 27.
Wave, I specifically asked CB about this because just a few short weeks ago he said Phil had a Greinke-like ceiling. You don’t trade pitchers like that…….I know you don’t love Phil (you like him), but since CB has been so high on him all year, I was pretty shocked.
I personally would not trade him – I would trade one of the other kids first.
Trisha,
Poor officiating bothers us all and I have no issue with people complaining about it at the time that it occurs.
That’s normal and can even be somewhat entertaining.
But the poster that I’m asking you not to encourage has become nothing short of a cancer on this board. He’s driving good posters away. We don’t need that.
And when he sees a legitimate, regular, long-time etc. poster such as yourself take his side or quote one of his comments, I fear it only incites him to continue his assault on our sensibilities.
To me he’s just a troll in sheep’s clothing.
“I don’t understand how everyday posters come on here and bash CR9 when the guy is pretty obviously messing around… at least I *thought* it was obvious”
Would you go watch the same movie over and over again without it getting stale at some point? Are jokes funnier the 150th time you’ve heard them? Just sayin’……
Also, I disagree. The Yankees put all this time and effort into him and now they’d trade him? If they think he’s going to be good? I think it is showing impatience to trade him when he’s had exactly 1 year in the rotation. I’m not saying he will be a stud because there are a lot of things about him that have disappointed me this year, but he still has that potential at this moment and I just wouldn’t trade him.
posada was safe at 2B last night when he stole 2nd. safe ! that ump deliberately blew the call.
“I personally would not trade him – I would trade one of the other kids first.”
Sure, but remember it takes two to tango. To get a high ceiling young outfielder (something both CB and I would like to see the Yanks get), you have to be willing to part with something very valuable.
If people don’t like having CR9 on here just email Chad to ban him. Then Chad will either ban him or tell him to cut it back or he will be banned if he gets enough emails.
He breaks commenting guidelines on here everyday and is a Red Sox fan anyway.
“To me he’s just a troll in sheep’s clothing.”
That’s kind of funny, because I view most of you as trolls that cant possibly be Yankees fans. Because true Yankees fan would be disgusted at the umpiring in the Texas series.
Sorry, Jeers, but I refuse to allow you the luxury of believing sports are fair. I just wont. I will make others see what I see. Failure is not an option.
If the Yanks were to trade Hughes, it would leave them with yet another hole in the rotation. Joba is not going back to the rotation. Then you have some combo of Nova (yes, he’s been great but he doesn’t have Hughes’ upside), Noesi, etc. and if Andy doesn’t come back, even if you acquire Cliff Lee the rotation is still short.
Can’t see trading Hughes but then again, I was not in favor of trading Montero for Lee, either.
“I would trade one of the other kids first.”
Problem there is that one of the other kids probably won’t bring back in trade what Hughes does. He’s pretty much a proven commodity who should only improve. The other guys aren’t proven commodities at the big league level.
Im done for the day. Until I see another one of my teams get cheated. Like perhaps Manchester United at 2:45 pm. Or the Yankees tonight. Im all worn out from umpire speak. Im gettin’ too old for this.
Wave, then I wouldn’t do it, period. I think at this point trading Phil would be a real mistake.
Betsy September 14th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
The thing that ticks me off about Joe is that he doesn’t seem to care about winning the division; it makes him look hypocritical for scolding the Yanks in KC. Ticks me off? I’m incensed.
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Could it be Joe is scolding the team in KC because he wants to see them play better, to win some games period. Winning has a direct effect on winning the division. If Joe wants prioritize the overall health of team over winning the division , I can understand. He needs to make up his mind and do one or the other. But scolding players in KC should not get you as upset as opposite as say the way he seem to be managing ‘in between’ the last few games.
Bill, then I don’t get wanting to trade Phil…..period. If he’s a young and relatively proven commodity, then you keep him. How do you even know the other kids will even turn out? Maybe Phil will flatline, but maybe he’ll get a lot better and I just wouldn’t trade him.
JM-
In my world the Yanks need to bring Andy back next year and sign Lee instead of Crawford. Then Hughes is in the fifth starter slot and is less crucial to the overall success of the team.
If the Yanks don’t sign both Lee and Andy then I would be much more reluctant to part with Hughes.
Buster_ESPN
.Alex Rodriguez did not look good running the bases last night,and you have to wonder if NYY will rest him to get him as healthy as possible.
Betsy, Cashman was on 1050 last week and used the term” extremely well” in describing how Hughes has pitched this year. PH may not have measured up to fans expectations, after his hot start, but Cashman, Joe and Eiland probably have a more realistic view on how hard it is to pitch in the ML. He just needs to mix his pitches more (more curves and changes, fewer cutters). He, Joe and Eiland all have said this recently. It may be hard to do at this point in the season but I think he’ll try and I know he’ll do it next year. He said he knows he has to do it to get better. Cashman won’t trade him. He is good, improving, young and inexpensive. The future is bright for Phil.
Wave,
What would you do about the offense next year? I don’t think they can bring back this streaky group back again, with the core guys one year older (Jeter, ARod, Posada, etc.)
I can’t imagine Phil getting traded. Despite some troubles lately, he has had a great first full year…well actually it isn’t even a full year. I am looking forward to seeing how he pitches tomorrow.
It would have to be a really special deal for a trade to even be considered.
Betsy, you have been agonizing over Hughes all year. Why in the world would you now promote him to untouchability? I think you just don’t want to let all that agonizing go to waste!
NYYROC, thanks for that info. My only concern is that I’m not sure Phil thinks he needs those pitches; I think his stint in the pen hurt him in a way because he’s fallen way too in love with his FB. I think he has the makings of a decent change, but his curve concerns me. He does have a lot of work to do in the offseason, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he improves a great deal next year.
Wave, just because I think he’s pitched badly most of the year doesn’t mean I want to trade him. I haven’t given up on him at all.
Melk Man-
I’m trying to improve the offense by swapping Granderson and a pitcher (the least best one the Yanks can get away with) for someone like Rasmus, Kemp, Braun, Upton (the young one), Gonzalez (the young one), Choo (if he isn’t in Korea guarding the DMZ). To get one of those guys you’d have to trade a lot.
Then, I’d sign a back-up catcher who can actually hit, and bring up Montero to be the DH/3rd string catcher.
Shin Soo Choo in his career:
BA/OPS
April: .295/.879
May: .279/.814
June: .295/.871
July: .271/.852
August: .303/.868
September: .303/.887
Consistent. Get the Choo Train to the Bronx
LGY, the Indians would ask for Phil – are you trading Phil?
“Alex Rodriguez did not look good running the bases last night,and you have to wonder if NYY will rest him to get him as healthy as possible.”
Unless he was running the bases in the pre game to test whatever ails him, I’m not certain how Olney could make this assessment. Rodriguez never made to first base.
Just noticed that Teixeira made the 3rd out three times last night.
“Then, I’d sign a back-up catcher who can actually hit, and bring up Montero to be the DH/3rd string catcher.”
Right after I find a back up catcher who can hit, I’m going hunting for Unicorns
Catchers who can hit are known as “starters.”
Surprised to see so much conversation about off-season trades and what to do with Gardner/Granderson. The talk should be about NOW.
We’ve lost what, 5 of 6 or so, and our guys are beat up.
Swish’s injury is very significant – a switch-hitter with power and your starting RF? Retroactive 15 day DL for the guy is our only hope of getting him back healthier or October.
Jeter’s struggles at the plate.
Cano fading.
Gardner tweaked.
Arod gimpy, per Buster?
The Yanks have a brutal schedule coming up. To play .500 ball AND rest key guys AND win the division ain’t happening.
“Right after I find a back up catcher who can hit, I’m going hunting for Unicorns
Catchers who can hit are known as “starters.”
Well, I meant hit some.
# Wave Your Hat September 14th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
JM-
In my world the Yanks need to bring Andy back next year and sign Lee instead of Crawford. Then Hughes is in the fifth starter slot and is less crucial to the overall success of the team.
If the Yanks don’t sign both Lee and Andy then I would be much more reluctant to part with Hughes.
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Wave,
Agree 100 percent about Andy. Definitely would like to see him come back for another year. But I wonder about him wanting to return. I guess a lot depends on what happens over the next six weeks or so. But I also wonder about the pressure that will come with a potential Clemens trial and Andy being one of, if not THE, star witness. I guess we will have to wait and see.
“Swish’s injury is very significant – a switch-hitter with power and your starting RF? Retroactive 15 day DL for the guy is our only hope of getting him back healthier or October.”
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Why would you DL him with expanded rosters??
“Retroactive 15 day DL for the guy is our only hope of getting him back healthier or October”
As Swisher served as a pinch hitter last night, they don’t to do it retroactive. If they DL him today, we don’t see him until the 29th.
If the Yankees are dead set on upgrading the outfield next season then why not just sign Crawford and keep Hughes. If the options are signing a free agent and keeping your 24 year old potential frontline starter or trading him for an outfield upgrade….then doesn’t it make sense to do the former given the Yankees financial advantage? I mean that’s what separates them from the other teams….they don’t have to trade their homegrowns off to fill holes. Just can’t see the Yanks doing that…I could be wrong.
Bill D,
If Girardi wasn’t such a bonehead this week and Jeter was hitting, there would be alot more focus on how Tex is disappointing for the third month this season. That “back of the baseball card” stuff is very misleading. Consistently putting up numbers is much more valuable than three months of great numbers and three months of disappearing.
bill d no DL needed.. it is september………
Arod gimpy, per Buster?
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Arod did nothing but make outs last night so I don’t know what baserunning he is talking about. Can’t judge the guy running to 1B at 75% after routine fly and ground balls.
“If the Yankees are dead set on upgrading the outfield next season then why not just sign Crawford and keep Hughes.”
Would you rather have Crawford than Lee? Or do you think the Yanks can afford them both? (I don’t.)
Blake,
I agree.
Sign Crawford.
Keep Hughes.
Use Gardner/Granderson to add a useful arm or aim for a blockbuster trade for a front end pitcher using Gardner + prospects.
“If the Yankees are dead set on upgrading the outfield next season then why not just sign Crawford and keep Hughes. I”
Probably don’t have the payroll to do that without trading a Granderson first. Even then it might not be enough.
Payroll is pretty much going to be at right around $200 million without making any significant moves (re-signing of Rivera, Jeter, Andy, raises in arb. to Hughes/Joba, etc.). If they want Lee, plus re-signing Wood, etc. they are going to have to go to the $220 range.
I think the point is people want to acquire a cheap young hitter rather than give $100 mil to Crawford when it seems pretty unrealistic that they can sign Craw and Lee without making other moves to free up payroll (trading Grandy, maybe not re-signing Andy).
Blake, I don’t think trading Phil is close to being on their radar – for the reasons you stated, plus they just too highly of him. It’s simply not necessary to trade the kid……and frankly, at this time, I don’t look at him as surplus. He’s got issues, but he’s not all that far away from being a good pitcher and he’s still just 24. It really is a shame he lost those 2 years -and even last year, in the pen – but what can you do?
Sorry – too literal.
By “DL” mean sit his butt down and let the guy rest for two weeks.
Despite our lead, I think this month will be Joe’s most challenging.
Buster_ESPN
.Alex Rodriguez did not look good running the bases last night,and you have to wonder if NYY will rest him to get him as healthy as possible.
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Did he even get on base?
Honestly, if he sits one of the next two games then I think it’s fair to say that he’s hurting a lot more then we know.
Personally, I was a bit puzzled by his stint on the DL and i thought it was for more than his calf.
Now I’, a bit concerned about Swish as well.
It’s supposed to be a bone bruise and that hurts like hell and for a long time. At worst they pick up a hairline fracture or something and that might end his season.
SI_JonHeyman
#yankees would be better of winning wild card and playing #twins, a good team that never beats them. yanks must know this.
Video from Jack Cury about Yankee players superstitions and rituals and how they started.
http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....d=12023493
Oh, be quiet Heyman -like they are afraid of Texas. What a dope. He should quit trying to read the Yankees minds and first concentrate on using his own
Jayson Stark
While you ponder trivia, ponder this: #Yankees are now 38-32 on road. So they play like an 88-win team on road but like 107-win team at home
Jayson Stark
The #Rays, on the other hand, are 44-26 home, 43-30 road. So they play like a 102-win team at home & like a 95-win team on the road
So in other words, Jayson thinks the Rays are much better………whatever.
what happened to curtis granderson? the granderson cashman thought he was getting?
You have to be concern about Swisher. The guy can barely walk . I am hoping the MRI will come up rosey. In either case, I think he could use a week off. Not only this in lieu of the ‘big’ picture, it is also common sense.
“#yankees would be better of winning wild card and playing #twins, a good team that never beats them. yanks must know this.
Which is why people shouldn’t freak out about winning the WC
It’s not like we’re going on the road to play the (vintage) Angels or something. There is no great team this year, we can beat any of them, even on the road.
Wave,
I would expand the payroll before I traded Phil Hughes for something I can get via free agency. They will have pitching excess to deal off in the near future but I don’t consider guys with his ceiling excess. JMO
CB and Blake, I don’t agree with your comments, except for if you were building your guy with OPS and your choices were .300/.375/.500 or .250/.375/.500 I would take the first one. But, it is conceivable the guy walking more is seeing more pitches and I am a believer that getting to teams middle relief is a good method of getting victories.
Blake, agree. If the Yankees did this, after he’s had just 1 full year starting, then I can’t say I approve of how they develop pitchers. I admit I’m disappointed with his 5 something ERA in his last 20 starts, but I’m certainly willing to give him more time.
Anyway, later!
IMO, Rangers are much better equipped to win a short series than Minnesota is. Twins are better over 162 though.
That wild card argument is lame, i.e., wanting to play the Twins vs. Texas. Yes, the Yankees have had their way with the Twins in the past, but that is no predictor of what will happen this year.
And you could also look at it this way: the Twins could be due to beat the Yanks.
zippy September 14th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
what happened to curtis granderson? the granderson cashman thought he was getting?
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Cashman DID get the granderson that everyone (but Cashman) thought he was getting. Unfortunately for our lovable GM he was busy readings his own press clippings on what a genius he was with the swisher trade that he thought all he had to do was snap his fingers and get the granderson of pre 2009.
By the way when girardi was “resting” regulars in april, may and june and the yankees were losing those winnable games i didn’t see anyone complain then – those games were, are and will always be just as important as september games….
Not sure why Betsy takes writer’s opinions about the Yankees so personally.
Jason Stark’s point is clear as day. It’s a fact.
It’s not the prospect of them being a wild card team that’s freaking me out.
It’s the “1 swing away” from an eight game losing streak right in the middle of a pennant race that’s doing me in.
Thinking that the Yankees will always beat the Twins is a mistake.
Blake,
Agree.
I would rather expand payroll to get what we need rather than trade Hughes.
Payroll would be stretched only for 1 year in 2011.
However, after 2011, there could be a huge sum of long term money freed:
Mo (15 million provided he returns for 2011 at a comparable salary to 2010 and he retires after 2011)
Pettitte (15 million provided he returns for 2011 at a comparable salary to 2010 and he retires after 2011)
Posada (13 million if he retires)
Marte (4 million)
Igawa (4 million)
+ you have to figure Jeter will take a paycut of 5 million per year long term.
The emergence of Brian Duensing as a starter makes me nervous about the Twins. That means in a 5 game series the Yanks could see 3 games started by tough lefties.
Our offense in Target Field scares me as well
We don’t want anything to do with the Twins. Mainly because we would be starting on the Road. HFA is very very important this year for the Yankees to have a good shot at repeating.
HFA is an advantage but IMO the advantage is being overstated.
Genious Maker,
True…good pitchers in the post season don’t walk guys though. I’d much rather have a high OPS guy where their high OPS is derived from hitting the baseball than drawing mass amounts of walks because that plays better against good competition.
As I said before, BA isn’t the most important stat but having guys that can get base hits frequently is a piece of the puzzle that holds value.
The way the Yankees are playing right now, they will get bounced in the first round.
I do have faith that they’ll come around in time for the play-offs.
If Ivan Nova shuts down the Rays, does he force Joe to start him in the playoffs?
Or, has Joe completely ruled out Nova stealing a postseason start from AJ or Phil?
Hopefully the Carl Pavano MRI machine in Tampa gives us some good news today on Swisher.
I can only imagine the venom spewed towards Carl Crawford on here after watching him struggle vs LHP.
It is bad enough with Granderson, but with a guy making 17+ million a year, Yankee fans are going to turn on him very quick if for some reason the Yankees signed him.
“good pitchers in the post season don’t walk guys though.”
I’m not convinced the theory completely works.
Good pitchers don’t give up many hits, either. Consider two hitters, A and B:
A: .260/.380/.450; and
B: .310/.380/.450.
A gets more walks and hits for more power (A and B have the same SLG, but since B has a higher batting average, to hit for the same SLG A needs more power).
B gets more hits, but walks less and has more power.
Are we so sure B does better against good pitcher X in the post-season? Doesn’t it depend on the skills of good pitcher X?
Bret,
I don’t want to give Mo or Andy an ultimatum because they make continue to be effective for a couple of years, especially Mo.
oops, I meant B walks less and has less power.
ahhhh, “tough lefties” . lets see, there’s JC Romero, Brian Matusz, Lester, the lefty from the White Sox who shut us down whats his name, then theres Brett Cecil, Cliff Lee,
Eventually the Twins will beat the Yanks in a series. Look at the Angels against Boston last year. Boston wasn’t a good team last year so I expected them to lose but to be honest I don’t know how good the Yanks pitching stuff is this year. In a short series can you count on a just off the dl Andy, Hughes and AJ? So to expect the Yanks to always beat the Twins especially this year with the starting pitching so shaky is stupid.
SAS,
Regardless of Pettitte and Mo, you have to subtract Posada, Marte, Igawa and factor in a pay cut of 5 million for Jeter. That’s 13 + 4 +4 +5 or 26 million in long term annual payroll.
Wave,
The original conversation wasn’t about one player…it was about a team. Ideally you need guys on a team that can hit for power and get on base but you also need guys that can get base hits….or better yet a lot of players that can do all of the above. My only point was that BA isn’t an irrelevant stat as some folks like to suggest.
I don’t think that the yanks feel that they need to upgrade the outfield…I think they would be inclined to feel that Granderson next year will be a better player next year than he’s shown this season and that Gardner has established himself as an everyday player a may take another step forward as a player and not hit a rookie wall like he has recently.
I also think that they will install Gardy as the leadoff guy from day one next year and that may bring out his game more as that is his natural place in the order.
I’m sure they are fine with what they get from Swish in RF so they’re set there as well.
The 3 glaring areas of concern for the 2011 team are
1- The Rotation
2- The aging leftside of the infield 3B and SS
3- The age/injury @ C with Posada.
The rotation will be addressed by the signing of Lee and possible return of Pettite. If Andy decides to hang ‘em up then a ro of CC,Lee,Hughes and AJ is still frontline.
The leftside of the infield is a lot harder to address because they are locked in to ARod and will lock into Jeter when the re-up with him. Here they will hope that this season is an outlier and both guys bounce back to the #’s on the backs of their baseball cards.
The C issue is less tricky as they only have Jorge for 1 more year and they have Jesus who may make the opening day roster with Romine not too far behind.
I also doubt that CarGo will be available this offseason. Kemp will be out there and Rasmus is definitely gone but I think he’ll be in Atlanta. He’s fron GA and I’m sure that’s where he wants to play and the Braves have the young pitching(JJurjens,Hanson,Minor) that STL would I’m sure want back in a deal….
Jesus won’t be on the opening day roster…he is 20.
If the Yankees fail to make the postseason, will Girardi be fired?
“If the Yankees fail to make the postseason, will Girardi be fired?”
If there is an earthquake in NYC, will the post-season be postponed?
I have a great idea.
The Yankees should sign every half decent lefty to their payroll.
That way it doesn’t make a difference when our players can’t hit them!
Bret,
I didn’t say anything about your other changes, however, I am not sure I would ask Jeter to take a pay cut. 2 yrs. plus an option, and hope that this year was not the beginning of the end. IMO, I don’t think Jeter will play past the time he considers himself effective. I think he has too much pride a lot like Andy and Mo. I am not sure Posada would be the same.
Bret,
I also thought Igawa was finished with the Yankees this year. Am I mistaken. It seems like forever.
how do the Yankees fail to make the post season? The closest competition is the red sox who are 7 GB in the WC, about where they have been for the past 2 months. With 18 games left to play, they are suddenly going to play better than they have played all year? w/o Youk and the elf?
playing into the umpire ineptitude, the boys at tbs said bourbon was standing on the plate when he drag bunted in texas, should have been called out.
Harold Reynolds at MLB said that Benoit clearly balked when tossing out Gardner going to third, spent five minutes on it.
they (Reynolds and company) totally ripped up the 2-0 bunt call will Curtis on deck.
As I put on my rose-colored glasses, I hope they got this bad streak behind them and get hot now going in the playoffs. With so few games left, and the difference in remaining schedule, the Rays clearly have the advantage for first place.
# Gehrig27 September 14th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Jesus won’t be on the opening day roster…he is 20.
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He’ll be 21 in November.
If I’m the Yankees, I march into next season with an outfield of Gardner-Granderson-Swisher. It’s an awesome outfield. It’s great. I have absolutely no complaints about it and Crawford isn’t worth 16-18million more than Gardner. He’s not even worth 5 million more, in my opinion.
Our infield is incredible. Sure, Jeter lost a little this year (indications are his numbers are a bit worse than his actual performance, babip etc. though LD% is down). A-Rod isn’t hitting homeruns, but is still driving in runs. Teixeira performed a little below expectations and Posada looks headed to be a full-time DH in the near future.
We’re still the best team in the game and, even if we don’t sign Cliff Lee, the Yankees will still be an enjoyable team to watch. And we’ll probably make the playoffs.
I don’t know why you guys keep complaining.
Erica-
Yes the Yankees should sign as many lefty starters who are available, since half the games are played in YS- So. in order of priority-Lee, resign Pettitte and consider Lilly.
I’m hoping, for a variety of reasons that Girardi gets himself thrown out of the game early.
# Gehrig27 September 14th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Unless something wierd happens I believe Montero definately will be on the Yanks starting 2011 roster. He should solidify that in ST.
if this season comes to a crashing halt or ends in some sort of 2004 obamanation, , they should have damon and matsui deliver the pink slip to Cashman.
Curious as to what folks predict for final A.L. East standings. I’ll say the Yankees win 8 of their final 18, finishing 4 behind TB and 3 ahead of Boston. Honestly, at this point, I’d almost be happy with this.
RayVT:
James Bleepin’ Madison????
Yankee Trader September 14th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Erica-
Yes the Yankees should sign as many lefty starters who are available, since half the games are played in YS- So. in order of priority-Lee, resign Pettitte and consider Lilly.
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No. I am thinking much bigger picture.
They should sign ALL of the lefty. If they aren’t available, trade for them! It doesn’t matter if there is room on the active roster, pay them not to pitch. Just sign every lefty!!!!
That way the Yankees only face righties and it doesn’t matter that half the team has bad numbers against lefties
zippy September 14th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
if this season comes to a crashing halt or ends in some sort of 2004 obamanation, , they should have damon and matsui deliver the pink slip to Cashman.
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I’d prefer the players he signed or traded for this year* that made him look like the horrible talent evaluator that he is bring him his pink slip…unfortunately hal didn’t inherited george’s “you’re fired” DNA so i think cashman is safe for at least one more year
* – Nick Johnson, Javy Vazquez, Randy Winn, Chan Ho, and the entire bench should be bringing him the pick slip…
“Curious as to what folks predict for final A.L. East standings. I’ll say the Yankees win 8 of their final 18, finishing 4 behind TB and 3 ahead of Boston. Honestly, at this point, I’d almost be happy with this”
Rays 99-63
Yankees 97-65
Boston 91-71
I just want to note this hilarious typo:
obamanation
abomination.
Obama Nation = abomination?
Do you have a secret political agenda on LoHud?!?!!
=)
charlestonchew – because you’re a mature person.
I agree about your outfield alignment. While Brett still has a lot to learn (witness last night), Crawford ain’t exactly a spring chicken, has had trouble hitting lefties, and will be quite expensive.
I do think they’ll get Cliff Lee, and I do think it’s the right move. Other than that, unless they can get a major talent like Matt Kemp or similar, I keep the OF the same, and transition Jorge to DH, work on the C spot. They have what they need in house.
I know Garza had a bad outing against the Red Sox at Fenway but I watched that game and the strike zone was a joke. The ump refused to call anything slightly low in the strike zone or any balls that caught the inside corner. Garza is a flame throwe and even if Nova pitches half decent tonight, there’s no way I can see us winning this game. I think o0ur only chance is against Shields tomorrow providing we can lay off his breaking ball and Hughes returns to his first-half form.
It takes ONE DANG GAME to win, to start a winning streak and Girardi needs to put up or shut up. Put the best team you can on the field and STOP this stupidity, Jarhead !
Yankees are finishing no worse than 101-61….BOOK IT, DAN-O !
considering injuries, I thought he did put the best team he could on the field last night.
I still think the Yankees win the AL east
Strange Michael Kay wasn’t in the booth last night – its not like him to take off important series like these – in the past he’s more likely to miss the clevelands, detroits and kansas city series…
ed_price #Rangers Ian Kinsler suspended one game for returning to field Friday on 13th inning walkoff HR after being ejected in 10th.
Bill D September 14th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
LOL! Thanks for making my pain better! LOL! Hard to believe!
Positive thought of the afternoon…
If the yankees win tonight their magic number would be 17
I wish they would eliminate Michael Kay all together.
I think bruceb is a goth who likes to think negative all the time. He loves himself some self-inflicting pain. He is one happenin’ dude.
pat September 14th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
They punish something like that, but they let steroids & HGH continue!
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The Yanks do not have the MAJOR LEAGUE READY depth of starting pitching that you think they have that would give them the LUXURY of trading a 24yr old, cheap frontline starter in Hughes for a bat.
The depth is in their minor league system and at least a year away from helping the major league club.
The yanks will go into next spring with CC,AJ,Hughes,Joba,Nova as potential SP under contract…trade Hughes from that mix and you have to go out and buy two starters and the Yanks are trying to move away from that and Lee will be the only arm they buy next year.
“ed_price #Rangers Ian Kinsler suspended one game for returning to field Friday on 13th inning walkoff HR after being ejected in 10th”
Seriously? MLB discipline people are idiots.
SAS September 14th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
I totally agree!
I really enjoyed the Al Leiter/Kenny combo last night…didn’t miss Kay a bit
“Strange Michael Kay wasn’t in the booth last night – its not like him to take off important series like these – in the past he’s more likely to miss the clevelands, detroits and kansas city series”
He was asked to be at the Meadowlands for the Jets opener and do his radio show from there.
so where is our line up?
did you miss me everybody? i take full responsibility for the current 4 game losing streak.
until today, it has been several weeks since i posted here. i’ve had computer issues and a vacation to blame for the inactivity.
now that i have returned, i can GTLU a few more times and be the good luck charm for
the Yankees.
to upstate kate-i think you hit the nail on the head. Leiter is a terrific addition to the booth. same goes for Paulie. those 2 make Kay tolerable.
“so where is our line up?”
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Girardi is busy in his office trying to explain to half his regulars why they need the night off.
I have a premonition a line-up is coming.
“so where is our line up?”
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#2 on the Response List:
Girardi waiting to see who can play two days in a row on Tropicana’s artificial turf. LOL
I think betsy has a lot to say, she very smart and knows what she talking about.