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Jeter: “He said it hit me, so I didn’t argue.”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 15, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Rays BaseballDerek Jeter didn’t play coy after the game. He was asked what that ball hit in the seventh inning, and Jeter answered as simply as possible.

“The bat,” he said.

Jeter showed bunt and tried to spin out of the way when the pitch came inside. The ball made contact, the bat went flying and Jeter grabbed his left arm. Joe Girardi and Gene Monahan came sprinting out of the dugout. Jeter remembered the on-field conversation being pretty simple. Girardi asked Jeter if he was OK, and Jeter said yes. From there, it was all about selling the bit.

“Geno did more acting than I did,” Jeter said.

When Curtis Granderson followed with a two-run home run to put the Yankees in the lead, Jeter’s bit of acting seemed to be the most pivotal moment of the game. It stayed that way until Dan Johnson’s second home run.

“It’s part of the game,” Jeter said. “I’ve been hit before and they said I wasn’t hit. My job is to get on base.”

 
 

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188 Responses to “Jeter: “He said it hit me, so I didn’t argue.””

  1. G. Love September 15th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    So what we’re saying is this team doesn’t have enough to win because Gardner and Swisher are banged up and out?

    I can’t buy into that. We have 3 20 million dollar hitters healthy and in the lineup. We have Berkman, Cano and Granderson healthy and in the lineup. We have Posada healthy and in the lineup.

    If you can’t win with those 7 in your lineup something is very wrong.

    If you think Swisher and Gardner are the main reason we’re losing than you really don’t believe in Jeter, Tex, Arod and Posada at all anymore.

  2. TheStraw September 15th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Joe said he’s pleased with how the Yankees are playing? Huh?

  3. Melk Man September 15th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Wait, how did Hughes have a great outing? He blew a lead in the 7th inning!

    He could have thrown a no-hitter with 12 strikeouts through 6, but he blew a lead that was given to him, at a time when the team was reeling. He has to pick up his team in that spot and get through that inning…. especially not get beat by a scrub for the 2nd time that night.

    They don’t award pitchers for what they did outside of 2 innings. They are judged by their entire body of work.

    No outing where a game-changing lead is given up late can be considered great.

  4. Carl September 15th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    # EA September 15th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    After Baltimore, the Yankees final 13 games are against teams over .500.

    Tampa’s final 13 games, 4 are against teams over .500 (the games against the Yankees)

    Yankees finish with home Boston then a road trip to Toronto/Boston.

    Rays finish with Seattle/Baltimore at home and KC.

    Not even the most optimistic fan can take that bet.

    I don’t know if any contending team wants to play Baltimore right now.

  5. Sigmund September 15th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    For some reason, I don’t like what Jeter did. I think it sends a bad message to kids. I think he should’ve been honest and said he wasn’t hit. When that happened in the game, I thought it was a bad omen for the Yankees. Even after the homer, the Yankees lead felt kind of false to me. In some strange hocus-pocus way, I believe that the Rays deserved to win because Jeter cheated a little bit. Now — that out of the way, I want the Yanks to win every other game and the Rays to fall apart.

  6. blake September 15th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    “So what we’re saying is this team doesn’t have enough to win because Gardner and Swisher are banged up and out?”

    Sure they can, but when you’re playing a team that is nearly as good as you are then being without 2/3 of your outfield makes it more difficult. In this case it may have cost them one or both of the games they lost. Kearns and Curtis just flat out stopped anything they had going offensively on several occasions……especially tonight.

  7. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Igotid, I said that because he’s not capable of being the pitcher people want him to be right now. He can’t step it up because of his weaknesses, weaknesses that are probably due to his age and his personal quirks. Is he a good pitcher? He’s talented, but right now he’s got an ERA of probably close to 5 and a half in his last 20 something starts…………..that’s not good. In short, no – I don’t think he choked because he’s being asked to do something that he’s not capable of at this time.

  8. Bronx Jeers September 15th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    And the Oscar goes to…….

    http://i55.photobucket.com/alb.....-oscar.jpg

  9. clownthrowindown September 15th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Great move by Jeter to get the call and get on base. Probably not a good move to publicly say he played the ump. Take the gift and be quiet. Seems out of character for Jeter.

  10. LGY September 15th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Ghetto, I already explained it. Phil is nothing more than a #5 pitcher – and has been almost all season. He pitched over his head earlier this season and he pitched over his head tonight- I say that because he is something of a mini-AJ right now. He is not capable of stepping up, so asking him to do so is not fair. He doesn’t have enough good pitches, he’s stubborn and he gives up a ridiculous amount of HRs. That’s not someone we can rely on………….It’s his fault and it’s not his fault. Judge him more next year. You can’t ask someone to do more than he’s capable of and expect more than he’s capable of.

    ——————————————-

    Betsy,

    Your perspective of Hughes is so far gone it is hard to believe you were maybe his biggest supporter on here just 6 months ago.

    You keep saying this is who he is and nothing is going to change this season.

    It did change! Hughes was a markedly different pitcher tonight.

    This was a very promising start and he has 3 more weeks to continue to prepare himself for the postseason. He is headed down the right track now.

  11. CR9 September 15th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Look at the digs at Jeter from the dirtpile that used to run this place…

    PeteAbe

    There was a time Jeter would have preferred to stay at the plate and swing the bat. But Cpt. Intangibles knew what to do about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

  12. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Blake, I agree with you…………………not that I’m saying they definitey would have won these games, but it doesn’t help to play short handed against the Rays.

  13. MTU September 15th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Blake-

    This was a loss on several fronts.

    Hughes making two bad pitches to the same hitter under similar circumstances was just inexcusable.

    The first time it’s just a mistake.

    The second time…… :(

  14. LGY September 15th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Tonight is Exhibit A of why quoting Phil’s ERA over the past few months doesn’t tell you who he is or how he has pitched.

  15. G. Love September 15th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    I have to admit, I also was slightly bothered about Jeter lying his way to 1b.

    I said to my wife, that was an Arod move, lol.

  16. Captain Clutch September 15th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Jeter should of just said it hit him or he thought it did since it hit the bat so hard. It’s not smart to say what he said and let the umps hear that. He usually doesn’t say things like that so I am surprised.

  17. LGY September 15th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    If the offense had shown up tonight, people would be much more encouraged and happy about Hughes’ start.

    It is stupid to hold the ineptitude of Kearns and Curtis against Hughes.

  18. Doreen September 15th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    G. Love -

    That’s not what I’m saying. But you have to agree, I’d think, that having those two in the lineup gives a better chance?

    The problem is the other guys can get on, get hits, and then Kearns/C.Curtis come to bat, and that’s that.

    And the difference in these particular games – lots of one run games – who would you rather see up – Swisher or Kearns? C. Curtis or Gardner?

    That’s what I’m saying.

  19. Sigmund September 15th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    I agree G. Love. If Jeter had turned to the ump and said, “Actually, I wasn’t hit,” I would be an even deeper fan of his, even if he then proceeded to strike out. I’m still an enormous fan of Jeter, but now maybe 1% less.

  20. blake September 15th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    LGY,

    Hughes was outstanding for most of his start tonight….its the best I’ve seen him use 4 pitches this season. I was both encouraged and disappointed by his outing…disappointed because I thought he pitched much better than the end result.

  21. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    “If you think Swisher and Gardner are the main reason we’re losing than you really don’t believe in Jeter, Tex, Arod and Posada at all anymore.”

    That’s not the case.

    But, Swisher and Gardner have been among the Yanks’ best offensive players this year. Replacing them with Kearns and Colin Curtis is a huge hit.

    Plus, Jeter hasn’t hit all year. It has been covered up by Cano, Swisher, Posada, Gardner and in the second half Tex.

    You can’t expect to score many runs playing with half of your team. If you play small ball, are you going to score more than 4 runs? By definition, probably not.

    I admit, I had high hopes tonight. I thought the pitching matchup favored us, and this was the best lineup we had all week. So sure, it was a disappointment.

    If we don’t have Swisher, Gardner and Andy in the playoffs it will be an issue. But right now it looks like we will, so there’s no reason to panic.

    Cano and Tex will come out of their slumps. Swisher and Gardner will come back. Andy will pair with CC. One of our other starters will step up.

    It will be OK.

  22. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    LGY, I don’t get what I said that was so wrong?

    He’s pitched like a mediocre #4 or good #5 for most of the season; I do not think he choked tonight like so many are saying because as of now, no – I don’t think he’s capable of stepping it up. He’s simply not equipped to do that, it’s just how I feel. I never said he wasn’t talented, but he’s talented and green. Phil is still one of my favorite players, but I’ve come to realize that my expectations for him were way out of whack. I expect veterans to step it up – an AJ for one……….but how can I expect a kid to step it up?

  23. Doreen September 15th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Sigmund -

    I admire your honesty, but seriously, in baseball, this is small potatoes. The umpire said it hit Jeter; he didn’t argue. You want him to say he wasn’t hit? Okay, how about all the check swings that are called balls and you know you swung? Should you tell the umpire, oh, yeah, I swung? Etc., etc.

  24. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    LGY, the thing is also – Phil is prone to making big mistakes at the wrong time and he gives up way too many HR. That’s stuff he’ll hopefully improve on as he matures, but do I expect him all of a sudden to be able to figure out a way to close the door on a good team? He’s a kid – no, I don’t.

    That said, again, I’m not necessarily blaming him for the loss; this was a total team effort.

  25. Red Lobster September 15th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    # TheStraw September 15th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Joe said he’s pleased with how the Yankees are playing? Huh?

    He is in spin-mode. He is realizing that getting angry/snippy didn’t accomplish anything, so now he is trying to be optimistic.

  26. blake September 15th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    MTU,

    I agree, those pitches were inexcusable. However (and I’m not one to blame umpires) but if you go back and watch those AB’s over then there were a couple pitches that could have gone either way that Phil didn’t get the call on…I thought he struck him out in the first AB and in the second I thought he should have been ahead in the count which would have probably resulted in a different pitch sequence than what happened….again not trying to make excuses for him but things could have unfolded differently. I’m choosing to take the positives from his outing….

  27. Matt September 15th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Repost from the previous thread:

    The Angels last year were definitely a better team than Texas this year. Boston last year was not that much worse a team than Tampa this year other than the fact that the Yankees dominated them down the stretch. If the Yankees didn’t go 9-1 against them in the second half they may have won a similar number of games to what the Rays put up there.

    The only difference is that Minnesota is better than last year’s version of that team. The Rangers may not win 90 games this year in a weak division, they are overrated and the Yankees just made them look good by playing so badly.

    The Yankees were a legitimately dominant team last year, and the competition was really not that much weaker if you think about it. This year there are 7 teams above .500, and last year there were 8. The Angels won 97 games, the Red Sox won 95, and the Yankees won 103. This year’s playoff teams are predicted by coolstandings to win 98, 97, 97, and 92 games, with only 6 teams predicted to finish over .500 in the league.

    So last year’s teams combined for 382 wins with 8 teams over .500, and this year’s teams are predicted to combine for 384 with only 6 teams over .500. The difference is that the Yankees last year took care of their own business. They took 9/10 from Boston and 3/4 from the Angels down the stretch.

    If last year’s team played like this year’s team and went say 5-5 against Boston and 2-2 against the Angels, they would have won only 98 games, Boston would have won 99, and the Angels would have won 98 as well. The only reason it didn’t look so even last year was that the Yankees actually beat these teams.

  28. G. Love September 15th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Wave, & Doreen,

    I hear you both and you’re probably right.

    I just have a hard time accepting that a lineup with Jeter, Granderson, Tex, Arod, Cano, Berkman and Posada can’t generate more runs.

    It just seems outlandish to me on paper that the group I just mentioned is this limited offensively.

    I feel like this team, when it struggles, always looks to whatever and whoever is missing to explain the struggle.

    I’d rather them look in the mirror more than look for what’s not there.

    There’s plenty there to win.

    That said, Gardner and his ability to change the game with his legs is missing.

  29. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Wave, I generally agree with you, but Tex is a big worry for me..

  30. CB September 15th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    The yankees were outscored by the Rays by 1 net run over three games.

    It’s safe to say that having Swisher and Gardner would have made it very likely that the yanks would have taken 2 out of 3.

    These are two very evenly matched teams. To be honest, our focus is naturally on the way the yankees played – but I didn’t like much at all from what I saw out of the ray offense either.

    They are a much lower contact hitting team than the yankees are. Nor are they a particularly disciplined team.

    The Rays are very dependent on hitting home runs. More so than the yankees.

  31. Matt September 15th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Keep in mind that under those matchups it would have been Yankees-Angels and Red Sox-Twins in the first round, since the Yankees won their division pretty much by beating up on Boston in the 2nd half.

    Who knows if the postseason plays out the same if the Yankees have to play the Angels in a short series instead of a 7 gamer, where maybe they could have squeaked by them with home field advantage since the Yankees always have some problems out there.

  32. Doreen September 15th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    The replay clearly showed it hit the bat. Jeter playing coy would just be silly. Though I would have expected him to say something more along the lines of what do you think? Or what does the replay show? But that’s really no better. The truth is what he told. And no one asked him at the plate if it hit him. Umpire made a mistake. Ended up not being costly to the Rays, but could have been. So this is not about Jeter playing it up, it was about the umpire missing it in the first place. It sure sounded like it hit the bat to me.

  33. pat September 15th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    “I feel like this team, when it struggles, always looks to whatever and whoever is missing to explain the struggle.”

    The team doesn’t. The fans of the team do.

  34. Red Lobster September 15th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Hughes’ ERA went up tonight, he gave up 4 HRs, 2 more homeruns, and blew 2 leads in the 5th inning or later.

    You can’t say it’s only 2 bad innings, his 2 bad innings cost us the game and came when he was asked to protect a lead. The first one you can excuse, you can’t expect him to throw a shutout. The 2nd one? When your team steals momentum back, gets a huge clutch hit and on the verge of snapping out of their funk in a huge way, you have to seal the deal. You can’t get beaten by the same hitter twice.

    Hughes may be good in the future, but let’s not spin tonight as some kind of building block. He is going to build on an outing where he blew a late lead and gave up 4 runs to an AAA hitter?

  35. Bronx Jeers September 15th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Great move by Jeter to get the call and get on base. Probably not a good move to publicly say he played the ump. Take the gift and be quiet. Seems out of character for Jeter.

    ———————————————————–

    It’s not like the ump isn’t going to find out he blew the call.

    Jeter’s gotten his share of screwjobs as well. And in the end…it didn’t make a difference.

  36. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Betsy, I believe Tex will be there when the time comes. He is a very, very good ballplayer. When push comes to shove, talent shows.

  37. pat September 15th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Doreen

    I have no problem with what Derek did but he did play it up big time.

    Jeter gets away with it because he’s Jeter.

  38. MTU September 15th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Blake-

    Even for me it would be hard to take positives out of tonite’s game.

    The Starting pitcher didn’t do his job, and the offense didn’t do theirs.

    Things had better change and in a hurry. Right now I think we’re looking at the wild card team not the pennant winner.

    Maybe with everyone finally getting healthy we’ll see something different. We have to hope that does the trick.

  39. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    I just can’t get upset about losing 2 close games to the Rays..it’s not like the Yankees didn’t play hard. Now, they do need to take 2/3 from the Orioles – no doubt – but the Rays are not the 1998 Yankees, despite what Buster said

  40. ET September 15th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    “but I didn’t like much at all from what I saw out of the ray offense either. ”

    They sure looked good rallying from 6 runs down last night and getting a big clutch hit immediately after we got one.

    On paper, we should blow them away with our lineup, even with injuries. Their role players just have a knack for coming up big and outplaying their status. They are 2nd in the league in runs scored and don’t have an impressive lineup at all. They squeeze the most out of their inferior talent.

  41. SAS September 15th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Good night everyone

  42. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Wave, I’m concerned about his toe…………………

  43. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    MTU, wow – you’re usually so positive.

  44. clownthrowindown September 15th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Wave Your Hat,

    I agree there’s no reason to panic but its pretty optimistic to think all their problems are going to simply go away and/or that there won’t be new ones. Who knew last year that Tex would suck in the playoffs? They’re better than they’ve been the last 10 games but I wouldn’t be sizing them for rings yet.

  45. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    A wild card team can still be a pennant winner

  46. Doreen September 15th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    pat -

    I do think that if ARod did it, it would have been viewed as a crime against humanity. :?

  47. theREALkevin September 15th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    cash- don’t know if you closed out the other thread or not so i’ll repost:

    not bad- averaging almost a 100 bb buyin profit a day- that will do quite a bit of damage in the long run. deepstacks bigtime though i’m guessin….. how has it been playing would you say? soft/tough? loose/tight? any notable online or live pros?

  48. Yank 97 September 15th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    “Betsy, I believe Tex will be there when the time comes. He is a very, very good ballplayer. When push comes to shove, talent shows.”

    Like October 2009, when he had the 3rd worst OPS on the team?

    Or A-Rod from 05-07?

    Hitters can’t control when they get hot/go in a slump.

  49. CB September 15th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    “He’s pitched like a mediocre #4 or good #5 for most of the season;”

    This is not accurate. A #5 starter in the AL has an ERA well over 5. An average 4th starter has an ERA close to 5.

    That Hughes is even perceived to be pitching like a “#5″ speaks to the way expectations are completely stilted when it comes to interpreting his season.

    He’s pitched pretty much like a “#3″ starter but one who hasn’t pitched deep into games so I guess you could call him a #3/good #4.

    Finally with a young pitcher his mean statistical performance isn’t the best way to judge his performance.

    Not many #5 starters could walk into Tampa in the middle of a pennant race and only give up 4 runs to that rays team.

    I just don’t get it.

    Few if any baseball fans would describe James Shields as a #5 starter and he has an ERA of 4.86 and has been outpitched by Hughes.

  50. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    “He is going to build on an outing where he blew a late lead and gave up 4 runs to an AAA hitter?”

    But he gave up 0 runs to Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, Ben Zobrist…

    It wasn’t a great outing. But against the second best team in baseball it wasn’t awful either. I don’t blame Phil Hughes tonight.

  51. pat September 15th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Doreen

    Tex took out the catcher in Anaheim and some people were freaking out until Scioscia said it was a clean play.

    Usually how the other side reacts in the postgame is how the pendulum swings.

  52. tyanksfan36 September 15th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    I’m a little disappointed in Jeter. To say that he was pretending about the whole HBP thing is uncharacteristic of everything he stands for and has shown over the years. He is a role model because he is a class act on and off the field and playing that HBP like he did is just not what I like to see from him. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

  53. clownthrowindown September 15th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Its one thing for the ump to realize he blew a call, but its another for the player to talk about how they all faked it. Jeter showed him up. And its not like him to do that.

    And, really, if Pedroia or Reyes did that, he’d be getting crucified on here.

  54. blake September 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    The primary reason the Yankees lost tonight was because each time they had Shields on the ropes early in the game, the bottom 1/3 of the lineup would come up and allow him to escape. It kept him in the game longer than he should have been and kept the Yankees from breaking the game open as they could have.

  55. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    CB, I am not discouting his early starts, but for 20 or so starts he’s got an ERA of close to 5 and a half. I admit I find that difficult to overlook.

    I was trying to absolve him of much of the blame from this game because I don’t think he choked at all – he just did what he’s done for awhile: made a mistake at a wrong time and it went a long way.

    To make it clear, I don’t think he as #5 starter talent; I’m just talking strictly about how he’s pitched over the last few months.

  56. sunny615 September 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    I care less about Hughes and more about the offense and their crappy production.

  57. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Yank 97-

    There are no guarantees in sports. But the Yanks have more ways for things to go right, and fewer ways for things to go wrong, than the other post-season teams.

    If that isn’t good enough for you, then I don’t know what to tell you, other than you expect too much.

  58. Darrin September 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    First the Derek Jeter thing –

    there isn’t one single player in the majors who would say “sorry ump, ball didn’t hit me it hit the bat. Count should be 0-1″. That includes all of Pete Abe’s precious Sawx, and Joe Maddon’s Rays. In fact, if it had been a Rays player and the ump had called it a foul, Maddon would have probably been tossed out arguing the other way.

    How many times has a runner beaten out a bang-bang at first, but the ump calls him out? This is no different. In fact, this is less egregioius because as far as we know Jeter could still have gotten on base even if the umpire had made the correct call.

    Now the more important issue – the current slump. The Yankees just got finished playing 6 consecutive road games against top notch competition. They lost 5 of them, most of them excruciatingly close – in fact, they had a lead in almost all the games.

    Facts:

    2/3 of their starting outfield is either hurt or out
    Their 2nd best pitcher is still out
    They hit .190 with RISP in the 6 games and left 60(!) men on base

    Despite these dismal stats, what would’ve it taken for the Yanks to win 5 of these games instead of 1? An extra hit or three with RISP and Mariano not blowing a save.

    The Yankees are not far off. If this were mid-October instead of mid-September, they would be finished. But, I like the chances of them playing better than this in a few weeks.

  59. MTU September 15th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Betsy-

    Tonite was a very tough loss. I was thrilled to watch Phil thru the first 4. He was oustanding. I had high expectations for him. He was rested and I was hoping he would take control.

    The first homer was a mistake. Bad pitch. It happens.

    It was the 2nd homer to the same batter under crucial circumstances that upset me.

    That, and the fact that the offense left so many men on base.

    Can’t wait for Swisher and GGBG to return. We need to be at full power like yesterday.

    We need a serious reversal of fortune in the coming days.

    I hope we get it.

  60. Yank1 September 15th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Jeter was just trying to win a game, when his team needed a lift. And it worked! Too bad Hughes didn’t cooperate.

    That’s why Jeter is a winner, he took advantage of a blown call by the ump to help his team get a nice win. Gamesmanship goes out the window when you are trying to win games…

  61. Jerkface September 15th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Hughes has been excellent against non Toronto teams.

  62. Bronx Jeers September 15th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    It wasn’t a great outing. But against the second best team in baseball it wasn’t awful either.

    ———————————————————————————————————

    I like your optimism! (Just pointing out that technically, the Yanks are currently the 2nd best team in baseball)

    Then again, they were #1 up until the point Phil gave up the 2nd bomb. It’s all such a fine line. :wink:

    Hopefully they’ll be the best come October 3rd.

  63. Doreen September 15th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    pat -

    Interesting.

    Also, if it happened the other way around, and it was a Rays player that did that, could you imagine the conspiracy cries???

  64. CB September 15th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    AJ Burnett this season has pitched like many teams #4 starter.

    Hughes has been much, much better than that.

    Yankee fans often have little idea of what average baseball players are like and how they play.

  65. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    I don’t get why this Jeter thing is a big deal………

  66. LGY September 15th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    I was happy with what I saw from Hughes tonight. It looks like aside from CB, blake, and a few others I am pissing into the wind here though as Pat M would say.

    Then again I am not nearly as wrapped up in these games as many. I am really just concerned with trying to see how the pieces fall into place for the postseason and don’t really thinks it makes much sense to evaluate this offense without two of its top performers in there.

    A major piece, the Yankees #3 starter for the postseason, looked tonight like he will fit nicely into that hole as long as he continues to commit to mixing his pitches like he did tonight.

    CC looked incredible 2 nights ago, Alex has looked great since coming off the DL, and Jeter looks like he may be coming around.

    Things are really starting to fall into place for a deep run in October.

    Now, AJ has a chance on Friday to continue to try to make the Yankees biggest question mark, their 4th starter, less of a question.

  67. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Bronx Jeers-

    “Technically” be d*mned! The Rays are the second best team! Quit your scoreboard watching!

  68. Tank September 15th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Hughes and AJ have had similar seasons (not results wise, but the formation of their results).

    Both got off to unbelievably hot starts. Hard to believe, but Burnett went 4-0 with a 1.99 ERA through his first 6 starts, it looked like it was finally the year he had put it together. Hughes got off to an equally impressive start.

    Wheels came off for AJ in that Fenway start (though to be fair, he ended the month well, then he really nosedived), for Hughes, that start against the Sox where he almost blew the 6-0 lead, was the turning point for him.

    Both have been below average over their last 20+ starts, though Burnett has been slightly worse. Though to be fair, Hughes has been more mediocre during that timeframe whereas AJ has been abysmal.

  69. CB September 15th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    That second home run was a bad pitch.

    But it’s experiences like that which are going to help Hughes pitch better this post season when it really counts.

    I wish Yankee fans had watched Ubaldo Jimenez and David Price throw more last season. I really do.

    It’s easy to marvel over them this season. Much harder to do only one season ago.

  70. Carl September 15th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Yeah so lying about it is something a real role model does.

    WTF is wrong with some of you people?

  71. Captain Clutch September 15th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Besides Crawford and Longoria the Rays lineup isn’t good at all. But they have a lot of nobodies that contribute and get their share of hits. The “problem” with the Yanks lineup is they have their main guys and no one else. So if the main guys are hitting and playing every day they are fine. But as soon as someone needs a day off or someone is hurt it kills them since they have no depth. Today’s problem wasn’t that they had no one to hit it’s just that their manager choose not to use anyone.

  72. Bronx Jeers September 15th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    MTU,

    Phil’s just trying to keep your legs fresh for the ultimate hike come late October.

  73. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Blake, now that is very true…………..

    MTU, I agree. The offense is worrisome, but then I wonder about other team’s offenses, which probably aren’t as good as ours. That said, other teams may have more capability to win low scoring games………

  74. BIG AL September 15th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    What a group of cry babies!

    If you can’t recognize the fact theYankees played well tonight, and yes, Phil pitched well enough to win, then go root for another team.

    They just got beat by another top team in the division, period.

    All of those that don’t have faith in Phil hughes to be a top of the rotation pitcher, go follow soccer, football, anything except baseball.

    If Phil gave up 1 run, and lost 1-0, you’d say he threw a bad pitch and didn’t have what it takes. In 6.2 innings he gives up 4 runs, 6 hits, and yes 2 of those hits were 2 run HR’s. The offense left how many on base?, Kearns SO how many times with men on base?

    This blog after a loss is getting to the point of sickening – good night Yankees “fans”.

  75. ZMAN September 15th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Carl – Can you imagine the reaction if A-Rod had done that? lol

  76. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 15th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    So even if jeter said to the ump, “oh wait, it didnt hit me” could the ump reverse the call anyway? Also, I dont think jeter is showing up the ump by admitting to faking it. The ump blew the call, it was clear on the replay. Jeter might as well fess us since the umps know he faked it, the rays know it….

  77. Nick in SF September 15th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Jeter lied, innocence died?

  78. tyanksfan36 September 15th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Let me rephrase my earlier comment. I would never expect any baseball player to say to the ump that the ball didn’t hit them when the ump said it did. My thing is that normally Jeter would say something elusive like, “I don’t know, did it hit me?” Or “he said it hit me so it must have” I would never expect him to say how he and everyone else were playing the umps. You just take your base and move on.

  79. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    I think the Yankees are going to make the playoffs – and then it’s a brand new ballgame. Honestly? I’m not that upset about the loss. It sucks the way they did it, but I’m not eating myself up inside. I’m sort of glad they have a day off…..let them catch their breath.

  80. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    I’m proud of Jeter. I hope I would have done the same thing.

  81. Carl September 15th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    # ZMAN September 15th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Carl – Can you imagine the reaction if A-Rod had done that? lol

    You can’t help but laugh.

  82. CB September 15th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    One other thing and I’m calling it a night.

    People aren’t actually even seeing what is by far the biggest problem from this recent poor play.

    It’s not that the yankees will miss the playoffs – the most immediate risk and problem is that the yankees will need to throw CC the last week of the season because they didn’t clinch a playoff spot earlier and won’t be able to set up their playoff rotation they way they want.

    That’s the immediate concern regarding their record. The second lost opportunity is that they may lose an opportunity to skip CC a turn and rest him.

    Both of those are significant problems.

  83. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Maddon laughed about it – he said something to the effect that if his own player had done it, he would have applauded. It’s just crap on Jeter week.

  84. MTU September 15th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Jeers-

    I keep trying to give him his tribute.

    Maybe you’re right and he’s just trying to keep me fresh. :)

  85. Betsy September 15th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    CB, that’s true…………….but unfortunately they only have themselves to blame.

  86. Crash September 15th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    ZMAN September 15th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
    Can you imagine the reaction if A-Rod had done that? lol

    ————

    I was thinking the same thing. If A-Rod did what Jeter did it the ny media would of been going crazy. Talking about how bad a guy A-rod is and that is was classless thing to do.

  87. Cashmoney September 15th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    theREALkevin September 15th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
    cash- don’t know if you closed out the other thread or not so i’ll repost:
    ——————————–
    I answered in the other thread, I don’t want hijack this from ppl talking about baseball.

  88. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    CB-

    The Yanks may not have mathematically clinched, but they’ll be the next thing to it when CC’s last start rolls around.

    The Yanks’ sitting all these regulars shows they are more worried about the postseason than the regular season.

    They’ll arrange it so CC starts game 1. I have absolutely no doubt of that.

  89. MTU September 15th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Good night folks.

    Catch you all tomorrow.

  90. Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Good night as well.

  91. Bronx Jeers September 15th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Bye Bye American Pie?

    Drove my Ford Edge to the levee but the levee was dry?

    With AJ and Joba drinkin whisky and rye?

  92. pat September 15th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    And the Emmy goes to……. :wink:

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/09MM2EygHh5PM?q=Jeter

  93. ZMAN September 15th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Yankees have the largest gap between home/road OPS among all current playoff teams, AL or NL.

    Our home OPS is almost 100 points higher than our road OPS.

  94. tyanksfan36 September 15th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    I think hughes pitched a great game when you compare it to how he had been pitching before. To keep that team to 6 hits is really a step in the right direction. He gave up 2 home runs to the same guy. Not the first pitcher to ever do that. From what I heard, he didn’t strictly use his FB and was able to get swinging strikeouts. Hopefully it carries over to his next start. I have high hopes for him the rest of this season.

  95. ChokeXOnXFailure September 15th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Bottom line is, this was a huge…HUGE series, and they blew it. All three games were winnable, and they won one (after blowing a 6 run lead). There are no two ways about it: This team is ugly right now. 2-8 in their last 10 games, and Tampa Bay finishing out the season with a cake walk schedule.

    There is no nice way to say it. Barring Tampa playing like…well…like the Yankees have the past 2 weeks, the Yankees are the Wild Card team, and that’s IF they don’t fall behind Boston.

    They’re playing with fire right now. We all know what happens when you do that.

  96. UnKnown September 16th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    So lets say that the Yankees win tonight and its the Rays who are 5.5 ahead of the Sox for the Wild Card. Would then the Rays be in danger of losing the Wild Card to the Red Sox. I don’t think anyone would dream of such a thing. Now that it’s the Yankees in that position everyone is acting all crazy. Everything that could’ve went wrong this road trip has. It will level out again.

  97. UnKnown September 16th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Players try to fool umps all the time. Whether it was acting like they are hbp or trying to sell a tag on a player. Part of the game.

  98. ET September 16th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Winning the division may not even guarantee you HFA in the 2nd round… Minnesota is now only 1\2 game back of best record. Minny and Tampa also have far easier schedules than we have.

    Just clinch a playoff spot… winning the division without HFA throughout is pretty pointless. We’ll be banking on Tampa beating Minnesota, if not, then we would play Minny with no HFA.

    The chances of getting the division AND HFA throughout is pretty slim. They need to clinch a playoff spot ASAP, then give CC/MO a nice break and set up the rotation for the playoffs. Chasing the division now is a fruitless exercise, the schedules do not favor them in anyway and the advantage is not nearly worth the risk to chase it because to do so, we’d have to play hard till the end. We can’t just play hard until the TOR-BOS trip, then rest guys. We’d have to play hard throughout.

    Officially clinch, then rest.

  99. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Can someone with skills put Jeter’s face on this?

    http://www.filmforum.org/films/brightonfallen.html

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    I wonder how we would all be feeling if Girardi was tossed from the game for arguing the same thing and we all saw on the replay that the umpire had called it wrong and it didn’t come anywhere near to hitting the Rays player, yet the Rays player was selling it by wincing in pain and then later admitted it didn’t hit him but his job was to get to first base any way he could? Would we havfe a lot of respect for the player? Even moreso, would the umpire have respect for the player mickeying him?

    I don’t know if it’s the Minka Kelly influence or whether I just never knew the real Derek Jeter, but I am really disappointed in what he did. I think he really made him look low rent.

  101. Eroc September 16th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    ZMAN September 15th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Yankees have the largest gap between home/road OPS among all current playoff teams, AL or NL.

    Our home OPS is almost 100 points higher than our road OPS.

    ——————

    Our pitching has to carry us. Especially since we’ll likely be facing the other team’s best pitchers on the road and they won’t surrender many HRs – which is the only way our team can score.

    Then again, CC pitched a brilliant game and we couldn’t even get 1 run for him.

  102. Carl September 16th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    I never forgave Chuck Knoblauch for that phantom tag.

    Why didn’t he tell the ump he missed him?

    So unknoblauch like.

  103. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    CB-

    It is funny that people are so down on Hughes. Great point about Jimenez and Price. I was at the Rockies- Cardinals game last year when Ubaldo went 8 innings and allowed only 2 runs. I think that was the start that things started to click for him. He was a guy who got killed the beginning of his career. Price also wasn’t overly impressive last year. Hughes has 16 wins. Now I know wins aren’t the tell-all stat but 16 wins is still impressive. The guy does enough to win which you can’t teach. It’s not like his ERA is 5.80 with those wins. His ERA is still above league average. The guy is going to be a stud…. I just hope Yanks fans don’t bury him before then…

  104. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    I think using a slur like ‘fag’ makes you look pretty low rent, Trisha. Please don’t do that on this forum.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    “Players try to fool umps all the time. Whether it was acting like they are hbp or trying to sell a tag on a player. Part of the game.”

    Do you think umps are fine with that? Do you think the home plate ump thinks it was cool that Jeter’s actions were phony and helped cause him to make a bad call? What if the game had ended at 3-2? I think Derek definitely injured his reputation tonight. He was always seen as squeaky clean.

    Maybe I just don’t know the game.

  106. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:08 am
    I wonder how we would all be feeling if Girardi was tossed from the game for arguing the same thing and we all saw on the replay that the umpire had called it wrong and it didn’t come anywhere near to hitting the Rays player, yet the Rays player was selling it by wincing in pain and then later admitted it didn’t hit him but his job was to get to first base any way he could? Would we havfe a lot of respect for the player? Even moreso, would the umpire have respect for the player mickeying him?

    I don’t know if it’s the Minka Kelly influence or whether I just never knew the real Derek Jeter, but I am really disappointed in what he did. I think he really made him look low rent.
    —————————–

    All I can say about this post is WOW. The Minka Kelly influence? What is that?

    Have you ever played a sport in your life? You play the game. The ump calls the game. If the ump says you got hit, you go to first…. LOL that bordered comical.

  107. Carl September 16th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    # Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    I think using a slur like ‘fag’ makes you look pretty low rent, Trisha. Please don’t do that on this forum.

    Report her.

  108. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    LOL players have done a lot worse than Jeter did – wow.

  109. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    trisha, Jeter played it right. The right kind of chicanery is OK in baseball. It’s one of the things that makes baseball the great American sport.

  110. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Tyler, agreed……………

  111. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    What Jeter did tonight epitomizes the real Derek Jeter.

    It is all about winning baby.

    He is a gamer and that is what gamers do.

    I can’t believe this is even a point of discussion right now. If you have ever played sports competitively the real winners always do whatever it takes to give their team the best chance of winning. Derek is a real winner.

  112. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Anything to piss on Jeter…………….unbelievable.

  113. tyanksfan36 September 16th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue says:

    September 16, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Sigmund and G. Love – I was so happy to hear both of you say what you did. I had left the forum when it happened and I was grateful not to be there because I was pretty embarrassed by what Jeter did – look at the picture of him wincing in pain – and I had a strong feeling that if I had been on the forum and voiced that, I would have absolutely been run off the place on a rail. I read the comments and didn’t see anyone take exception to what he did. To the contrary they seemed exuberant. To tell you the truth, I was pretty taken aback by who did it. If you would have told me that Jeter was capable of that kind of acting in order to get on base, I would have said you were crazy. Anyone but Jeter. It also makes me think that he has come down in the eyes of the baseball community in general who always saw him as the epitome of class and dignity.

    It was right there on national television for all to see. And I hate to talk about karma, but I think what you put out comes back on you. An umpire squeezing a pitcher and awarding someone a base on balls is far different from a player giving an academy award performance that wasn’t based in truth. I think it’s wrong for any player to do that. I don’t care if it’s part of the game.

    I believe in honesty. If it makes me appear to be a fag and not with it and not worthy of being a fan, then it does

    ——

    I feel the same way. I am not even
    going to look at the highlights or recap
    of the game because to see him fake that HBP would embarrass me. When I heard that he did something like that, I was upset. If the Rays had lost because of that, I’m sure no one would be as nonchalant about it like they are. It just bothers me that Jeter, of all people would do that.

  114. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    The Minka Kelly influence? lol

    Get a grip.

    It’s pro sports and the team is struggling to score runs. He’s going to try and do whatever it takes to get on base.

    It’s much ado about nothing.

    Folks need to stop making it a morality play. It isn’t.

    It’s a competitive jungle and there isn’t a manager in baseball who wouldn’t have LOVED what Jeter did tonight.

    Including his own manager.

  115. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    If Derek had turned around and told the umpire it hit my bat I would have to go to Best Buy tomorrow to buy a new TV.

  116. ChokeXOnXFailure September 16th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    “I don’t know if it’s the Minka Kelly influence or whether I just never knew the real Derek Jeter, but I am really disappointed in what he did. I think he really made him look low rent.”

    Yes, I’m sure Minka freakin’ Kelly is sitting in a giant chair, stroking a white Persian cat, and laughing maniacally, all while proclaiming that she’s finally turned Jeter to the dark side.

    ::rolls eyes right out of my friggin’ skull::

  117. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    LGY, absolutely………..and then to take it to the extreme to make it sound like Jeter is morally bankrupt? Wow.

  118. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    LGY September 16th, 2010 at 12:14 am
    What Jeter did tonight epitomizes the real Derek Jeter.

    It is all about winning baby.

    He is a gamer and that is what gamers do.

    I can’t believe this is even a point of discussion right now. If you have ever played sports competitively the real winners always do whatever it takes to give their team the best chance of winning. Derek is a real winner.
    ————————

    Totally agree. He gets paid and plays to win. He PLAYS the game. The ump calls the game. If the ump makes a mistake it is not Jeter’s job to correct him. In fact, that would show the umpire up more than what he did.

    A player correcting an umpire’s call on the field would imo be the biggest act of showing up an umpire one can do. It absolutely would be an insult to the umpire and the game of baseball itself.

    This is a non issue. Time to move on. I usually don’t tell people what to post but this is an absolute joke… Kind of like this road trip lol./

  119. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Maddon had no problem with it………and Jeter is one of the most respected players in the game. I doubt that’s going to change.

  120. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 16th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    I thinking calling jeter low rent is a little overboard. Again, the ump made the call, not jeter. You dont tell the ump “oh by the way buddy you made the wrong call i didnt actually get hit”. And he did say he got stung by the vibration of the ball hitting the bat. And so he smiled about it a little after the game, he’s a human being showing some emotion, he cant always be stone faced.. He and every other person knows the yankees got a break there, so he owned up to it. No big deal.

  121. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Maybe it’s the Jeffery Maier influence finally rearing its ugly head.

    Jeter was always built on a house of lies. :cry:

  122. Eroc September 16th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Jeter’s “HBP” worked too, didn’t it? Before Hughes pissed it away, of course.

    But Jeter is a gamer and that incident epitomized why. He doesn’t care what people think of him, he wants to win.

  123. UnKnown September 16th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Trisha – As a College Ump myself no I don’t think umps are fine with it at all. However, such is life. In the world of reality that is what goes on. Part of the job of an umpire is to be able to determine what really happened on a play. On previous plays when Jeter has been hit and told the umpire that he was hit, do you think the ump automatically gave him first base. No, he is going to go off of what he thinks happened and rule accordingly.

  124. clownthrowindown September 16th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    What Jeter said after the game is classless. You don’t do that it. And yes Trisha, there ia a double standard. To most on this forum, what’s ok for Jeter to do would never be ok for an opponent to do.

  125. TheStraw September 16th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Yeah, it’s part of the game. As are spitballs, pine tar, making a trap look like a catch, jorge’s phantom tag, the hidden ball deke and many others. This isn’t golf.

  126. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 12:15 am
    The Minka Kelly influence? lol

    Get a grip.

    It’s pro sports and the team is struggling to score runs. He’s going to try and do whatever it takes to get on base.

    It’s much ado about nothing.

    Folks need to stop making it a morality play. It isn’t.

    It’s a competitive jungle and there isn’t a manager in baseball who wouldn’t have LOVED what Jeter did tonight.

    Including his own manager
    ——————————-

    I remember a tie game in Fenway maybe back in ’02 or ’03 where Wakefield was pitching in the 7th inning and hit Soriano with one of his knucklers. Now replays showed it hit the handle of the bat but Soriano jumped around like it had broken one of his fingers. Well guess what? He got first base and the Yanks scored the go ahead run and went on to win a key game. And Soriano became one of my favorite Yanks on the team after that. He took advantage of the situation and won a key game for a struggling team. I’d want every player on my team to do that.

    As Al Davis says, “Just win baby.”

  127. theREALkevin September 16th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    everyone should thank jeter. people will point to plays like this and use them as reason for expanded instant replay. he should take advantage of the system over and over and every player should so they add more replay.

  128. Carl September 16th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    I knew they should have never gave A-Rod a ring. He’s evil. Turning everyone against Jeter.

  129. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Sorry, Trisha, but you’ve used the full derotatory term before on this site.

  130. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Yeah, it really hurt Jeter’s reputation. lol

    I bet Ford will only pay him 2 million a year now instead of 3.

    This did ZERO to hurt his reputation except to the hopelessly naive.

  131. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Trisha,

    You have gone off the deep end with this Minka Kelly stuff lately. You sound like Perez Hilton or something.

  132. Yank 97 September 16th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Discussing Jeter’s HBP? Who cares?

    Discuss the fact that they left double digits on base for the 4th time in 6 games on this trip.

    That is more worthwhile than this Jeter nonsense. He made a good play that had a good result if Hughes could of actually finish the deal. No problem with it.

  133. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Also, forget those other definitions – when people here that word, there’s only one thing they think of. It’s completely inappropriate

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    tyanksfan36, thanks. It’s obvious that not everyone thought it was an okay thing to do. I don’t get my validation in life by the opinion of people on this forum so I don’t particularly care who thinks I’m over the line and who thinks I’m not. On the other hand I do get a sense of who people here really are by their reaction.

  135. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Almost every word has a meaning that is fine. It’s how that word is perceived in society that makes it a word not to use. That slur involving homosexuals is a word that should not be used on any site. Yes, it can mean a bundle of sticks but it just invokes too strong of emotions and has too negative of a connotation imo for it to every be used.

  136. steve sax arm September 16th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    trisha you are right, you don’t know the game. you fight with everyone who does know the game. another wackjob, at least you’re not a stalker like that betsy chick. she’s scary, glenn close fatal attraction scary

  137. Cashmoney September 16th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Jeter is wise, he is not Pollyanna. LOL And , this is baseball ! let’s not start throwing moral indictment on a pragmatic move. This is too funny. Do we even live in the same reality?

    Kev , i left you another reply in the other thread.

  138. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    I love Derek Jeter, but this is not his finest hour. Disappointing.

  139. theREALkevin September 16th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    “Maybe I just don’t know the game.”

    ok, now we’re getting somewhere.

  140. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Jeter is a very competitive player; he’s not a plaster saint – sports are not for saints, anyway. Want to get on a player? Check out the HOF – it’s full of racists, psychos (yes, you Ty Cobb) and other assorted iffy characters.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    “Sorry, Trisha, but you’ve used the full derotatory term before on this site”

    Yeah, and where I come from there are different definitions ascribed to different words. The last time I said something that caused a little stir upstate Kate said her teenage sons used the same word with their friends and meant it the same way I did – and not as a slur. I don’t intend to watch everything I say so it appears to be PC if I am using a word in a way not meant to be offensive. Sorry but that’s the way it is. Now if you don’t like it please take it up with Chad and maybe you can have me banned.

    Good night.

  142. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Tyler,

    The Rays players and Maddon were laughing about it after the game.

    If it doesn’t bother them, why should it bother anybody else?

    And before anybody wants to sell the “role model” line in this issue, Derek Jeter isn’t in charge of raising the children of America.

    He’s a professional baseball player on a slumping team trying to get on base.

    That’s life in the big city folks.

    If you can’t take it, I’m sure there is a little league game in your town if you are looking for purity.

    Except of course when they have 14 year old ringers playing on 12 year old leagues! lol

  143. YankFanCA September 16th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    The only thing more irrelevant than Trisha is arguing with her.

  144. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:24 am
    I love Derek Jeter, but this is not his finest hour. Disappointing.
    ——————————

    Not to be a total jerk, but have you ever played a sport in your life?

  145. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    Trisha it’s cool but don’t insult others intelligence by denying the meaning of that word in this society. It’s very offensive. Period.

  146. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    “I never forgave Chuck Knoblauch for that phantom tag.

    Why didn’t he tell the ump he missed him?

    So unknoblauch like.”

    Good one, Carl. :lol:

    ___

    Who gives a flying flying flying flying rat’s …. … … …… if Jeter faked his way on base. Wow, whoopidee doo. My god, as if some of you have never seen a baseball game before. He tried to help the team, and I’ll take it every time. As did Alex with the slap play. Cant fault them for effort.

    And MOREOVER, who cares about making the umpires look foolish. They make themselves look foolish every time they miss a call in any team’s favor – which is at least 5-10 times a game now.

  147. TheStraw September 16th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    Why should Derek correct an umpire’s mistake? This whole line of conversation is odd.

  148. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    I’m not trying to have anyone banned and if you want to pretend that you weren’t using the term in its most deragotory context, good luck. But people on here aren’t as stupid as you seem to think they are.

  149. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    “I love Derek Jeter, but this is not his finest hour. Disappointing.”

    In what way? In acting like he was hit? In not immediately confessing to the umpire? In failing to suppress a grin? In admitting it afterwards?

    Let’s all get on the same page.

    Personally, I believe Jeter showed us all exactly how to play the game. As he always does.

  150. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    But how does it fit into the umpire conspiracy theory?

  151. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    1 fake in a 15 year stellar career on and off the field, and that will hurt Jeter’s reputation??

    Who cares anyway about reputation, the umpires *ARENT* and shouldnt be making calls on bias/reputation.

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    “What Jeter said after the game is classless. You don’t do that it. And yes Trisha, there ia a double standard. To most on this forum, what’s ok for Jeter to do would never be ok for an opponent to do”

    I think you’re right. I think the player from the other team would be pilloried and people would be demanding that MLB look into it, especially if it ended up meaning the game.

  153. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    The only thing dumber on this blog than the nightly umpire conspiracy theories is someone making moral judgments over an opinion on what Derek Jeter did tonight.

    Seriously Trisha, get a grip.

    Don’t assume things you know nothing about.

    You only make yourself look foolish.

  154. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Uh Tyler, yes as a matter of fact I have. I played baseball in high school and my sophomore year in college. I am clearly not alone in thinking that what Jeter did was somewhat disappointing. I am not going to blow it out of proportion. Taking the base is one thing and saying “the ump said it hit me” is one thing. The excessive acting is another.

    That’s my opinion.

  155. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Winning is what sport is all about.

    This isn’t tee ball or rec league basketball where they don’t keep score. Winning is the only thing that matters and what you and your teammates work your ass off everyday to accomplish.

    The best players, the real winners, are the ones who will do and find ways to do absolutely anything and everything within in the rules to get closer to that W.

    The players that have winning in their DNA like Derek are able to react in a split second and realize if I play this up I get to 1B which is huge for my team. When you are a teammate or coach and see something like that you know why that guy has so many WS rings. You kill to have that guy on your team because he is just wired to win.

    If you have ever played competitive sports or have any semblance of reality in regard to competitive sports you understand this.

    If you don’t, shoots and ladders is probably a better game for you.

  156. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    WYH – How does it fit in? The umpire bought Derek Jeter’s claims of being hit. They took him at his word because of his stellar career on and off the field.

    It doesn’t matter anyhow, Im trying to move away from the umpire conspiracy theory stuff.

    Why?

    Because in the end, the Yankees are going to have to go out and play good baseball to win the World Series.

  157. Tank September 16th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    “1 fake in a 15 year stellar career on and off the field, and that will hurt Jeter’s reputation?? ”

    Yet Ortiz uses steroids and is considered a saint and ambassador of baseball. Go figure.

  158. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    SJ,

    I totally agree on this non-issue. Baseball teaches some great life lessons but you can’t apply every aspect of life to baseball. Baseball is a GAME. Jeter’s job isn’t to patrol the moral justice of it. His job is to get on base and help his ball club in a game. And that he almost did. Of course, Joe Maddon would argue the call. It hurt his team. But if that was Longoria, Maddon would be the first one on the top step high-fiving him after a Matt Joyce home run….

    Some of these people commenting on this just amaze me though. I just think that some of them have never done anything competitive or played a sport in their entire lives… I’d had to see how much they get walked on daily. It must be depressing…

  159. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    http://www.newsday.com/news/da.....-1.2294005

    This Yankees clubhouse, late last night, did not reek of devastation. Not even depression.

    Another loss, 4-3 to the Rays at Tropicana Field – their fifth in six games on this trip and eighth in 10 games overall – failed to create one of those getaway nights so deathly silent that you can hear the zip of suitcases closing, or the rip of checks to tip the clubhouse attendants.

    No, the defending World Series champions – and once again the second-place team in the American League East – departed here knowing that they have a formidable foe on their hands in the young Rays. Not an insurmountable one, though.

    “We could easily have won five of these games,” Joe Girardi said, referring to the Yankees’ four one-run losses on this trip through Texas and Tampa Bay. “Sometimes you get the big hit, sometimes you don’t.”

    Added Alex Rodriguez, who struck out against closer Rafael Soriano to complete the game: “There’s no question about it, we want to win the division. I don’t want to downplay it at all . . . But again, we’re in a situation where the most important thing is to get our team healthy.”

    The Yankees and Rays put on a brilliant, three-game September show, a trio of one-run contests in which Tampa Bay took two to the Yankees’ one. If the Rays can’t sell out this dump, at least the attending fans displayed impressive passion.

    These were not instances of the Yankees “losing” games, if you will. They simply got beat by a terrific team. They also suffered from the injury absences of Brett Gardner (right wrist) and Nick Swisher (left knee) as the corner outfield replacements Austin Kearns and Colin Curtis went 0-for-5 with runners on base.

    As A-Rod acknowledged, it’s a different sensation hitting a funk when you have such a cushion in the standings. Yes, some Red Sox fans have taken note that Boston trails the Yankees by 51/2 games (six in the loss column) with six head-to-head games left. These Yankees, however, aren’t playing like a team that will collapse its way out of the playoffs.

    Instead, they look like a club that is using the calendar to its advantage. Hughes looked decent, and with Andy Pettitte poised to make his return from the disabled list Sunday, you can start to see the makings of a postseason rotation. Gardner and Swisher should be ready to come back shortly.

    By no means will they be able to wake up and roll over these Rays. Yet the cheaper, younger Rays don’t intimidate the Yankees, either.

    “I’m sure we’ll see these guys in a few weeks,” A-Rod said, and if you’re a baseball fan, you’d very much want to see this sort of entertainment in the AL Championship Series. Then, the losers won’t go to second place. They’ll just go home.
    ***********

    Good perspective

  160. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    classless?? Coming from Red Sox fan “clownthrowindown”! LOL

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    “I’m not trying to have anyone banned and if you want to pretend that you weren’t using the term in its most deragotory context, good luck. But people on here aren’t as stupid as you seem to think they are”

    I am not PRETENDING anything Nick. I know how I meant it, and I DID NOT mean it in its most deragatory context. Now back off because you’re really way off base here.

  162. TheStraw September 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    No. There is a big difference between using a corked bat, throwing a spitball and the ump simply blowing a call. MLB should only be looking into why the umpiring is so inconsistent and occasionally inept.

  163. Bret The Hitman September 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    My roommates dog is a total head case. I want to kick her out just on account of her dog being the most antisocial dog I’ve ever met. Her dog stresses out my dog.

    She just got home and her dog starts yapping like mad. It has severe separation anxiety. I really hate it.

  164. theREALkevin September 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    answered you Cash

  165. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Tank – LOL! You knocked me off my seat with that one!

  166. YankFanCA September 16th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    So the ball hit his damned bat. . . That was obvious on replay. It’s not even in the top 5 stories of this awful game. Now let’s see if these overpaid underachievers can avoid shi–ing the bed in Baltimore.

  167. Tyler September 16th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:31 am
    Uh Tyler, yes as a matter of fact I have. I played baseball in high school and my sophomore year in college. I am clearly not alone in thinking that what Jeter did was somewhat disappointing. I am not going to blow it out of proportion. Taking the base is one thing and saying “the ump said it hit me” is one thing. The excessive acting is another.

    That’s my opinion.
    ——————————

    Hey, I respect your opinion. Your original post seemed much more harsh toward DJ. It was somewhat disappointing I guess in a life context but I think when you think of baseball as a game, then it really isn’t that big of a deal. And look they lost anyway. maybe they got bad karma….lol

  168. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    SJ – please can the personal ad hominem attacks because someone doesn’t agree with you. What’s up with that. Give your opinion and move on.

  169. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    There is NO way this is hurting Jeter’s reputation – it just enhances it. The guy burns to win – he doesn’t care about anything else (but he goes about it in a professional, classy way). Younger players grew up idolizing him and they respect him – and like him. He did not go out and run over someone’s dog. Life will go on, believe me, and Jeter is still Jeter – in most fans’ minds and in baseball peoples’

  170. Red Lobster September 16th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    “It doesn’t matter anyhow, Im trying to move away from the umpire conspiracy theory stuff.

    Why?

    Because in the end, the Yankees are going to have to go out and play good baseball to win the World Series.”

    Good first step, CR9.

    The next step to securing greater mental health is to embrace the work of Pete Abe, Bill Simmons, Peter Gammons, and enjoy the commentating of Tommy Heinson and Jerry Remmy. Also, you must have Wes Welker on your fantasy team.

  171. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Trisha, was referring to the earlier usage in which you spelled out the whole word. Maybe you grew up on the moon and don’t know how regular human beings talk. Whatever. Go ahead, keep on using that term, spell it out completely next time. If you don’t think people find it offensive, you’re completely deluded.

  172. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I’ve never played a sport in my life (well horseback riding, but you get the drift), but it never occurred to me that anyone would get upset about this.

  173. steve sax arm September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    didn’t jeter react after the ump yelled out he was hit. then he went into the whole act.

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    “If you have ever played competitive sports or have any semblance of reality in regard to competitive sports you understand this”

    What, that’s it’s okay to cheat?

  175. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Tyler I couldn’t agree with you more and I respect your opinion as well. It is not a big thing and shouldn’t be blown out of proportion. I just was slightly disappointed that’s all.

  176. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Don’t tell me how to post.

    Just go back to Pollyanna school and play editor of the blog. It will fall on deaf ears.

  177. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    In Trisha’s defense, in England, “fags” are cigarettes. Ever heard the line: “Smoke a fag”

    In England, if someone spoke about guys like I do, they might be considered a “poof” :)

  178. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    “Good first step, CR9.

    The next step to securing greater mental health is to embrace the work of Pete Abe, Bill Simmons, Peter Gammons, and enjoy the commentating of Tommy Heinson and Jerry Remmy. Also, you must have Wes Welker on your fantasy team.”

    LMAO!!! That was funny!

  179. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Betsy,

    That’s why I added semblance of reality there ;)

    Clearly, reality is lacking for some which is hard to believe since they watch competitive baseball on a nightly basis.

  180. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Trisha – it’s not cheating. The umpire said he got hit. It’s not logical to think Jeter would turn around and say no I didn’t. That’s not his job. What I objected to was the acting as the photo above demonstrates. And the post-game comment as opposed to just saying, “the umpire said it hit me”.

  181. TheStraw September 16th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Trisha-

    It’s not cheating. The ump blew the call. His word is final.

  182. Bret The Hitman September 16th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    It has separation anxiety so bad that it will sit out on the back step for literally 12 hours and not once venture out into the lawn or roam around on 1/3 acre. Freedom makes it paranoid. It’s really not a dog…more of a gremlin with an annoying bark and even more annoying crying and whining noises. I purposely ignore it and that’s how I treat its disorder.

  183. YankFanCA September 16th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    It’s now clear to me that Jeter feigned being hit by pitch with the clever intent of giving idiots on blogs something to talk about apart from umpires and Girardi’s IQ. Well done, Derek. Unlike many posters, you actually have a life.

  184. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    LGY, this is just not a big deal. This play now is representative of the moral failings of Derek Jeter? You couldn’t script this……..

  185. theREALkevin September 16th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    the HBP is a non-story. players do it all the time, whether it’s what Jeter did, a ball they trapped but they try to sell as an out, etc. these guys are going to whatever they can in their power to win the game. they’re trying for wins, titles, contracts. it’s up the umpires TO DO THEIR JOB and call the game. add replay if you need it. can’t blame a player for doing whatever he can trying TO HELP HIS TEAM WIN. he’s not spiking another player or something. give me a break.

  186. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    SJ – if you attack someone personally I certainly have the right to give my opinion as to how inappropriate I think that is. It’s a sports blog for gods sake grow up. You don’t have to like it or change. It’s my opinion. You’ll just have to deal with it won’t you.

  187. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 16th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Wow. He did not cheat. He reacted from the vibration originally and then the ump made the call and he went with it.

    Maybe this is why jeter always gives the most vanilla answers to questions?… to avoid any potential ridiculous controversy. He is apparently held to such high standards that he should do something that no other player in that situation would have done….

  188. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Girardi is a Jeter enabler in the next thread :arrow:


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