Still no Gardner, Ring listed in bullpen
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 15, 2010 
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Royce Ring is listed as an available lefty in the Yankees bullpen.
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Lance Berkman DH
Jorge Posada C
Austin Kearns LF
Colin Curtis RF
UPDATE, 3:59 p.m.: Word is Chad Huffman has been designated for assignment to open a 40-man spot for Ring.
Lance Berkman DH
Jorge Posada C
Austin Kearns LF
Colin Curtis RF
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I predict this bottom 4 contributes at least 5 of the total Yankees’ hits tonight and we win GOING AWAY !
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By Andrew MarchandThe way the Yankees are organizing things, they want to break in pitchers at the fifth starter spot so next year, the plan likely will be to have Ivan Nova, Delin Betances, Hector Noesi, David Phelps and even Andrew Brackman to fight for the job in the spring. They will likely all be joined by guys like Sergio Mitre and some other veterans.
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The only way this happens is if Pettitte retires.
They are getting Cliff Lee and are stuck with Burnett. So CC, Lee, Burnett, Hughes and Pettitte doesnt leave room for anyone else, though if they can find a way to rid themselves of Burnett, that would open the spot.
Aw, you gotta put Golson in there the game after that play! (yes i know the right/left thing)
I’m glad Gardner isn’t playing.
IMO, both Gardner and Swisher shouldn’t play for the rest of the roadtrip.
Let them rest and heal and re-evaluate them when they get home.
Royce Ring? I say, better late than never.
Should have been here two weeks ago.
No excuse to ever be short of arms in the pen when rosters expand.
I mentioned this earlier today, but it’s worth repeating. Berkman is hitting .444 with a .550 OBP so far in Sept.
and finally brought a second lefty into the pen with royce ring. good idea.
how many pitches out of the zone will kearns swing at tonight
Outfield D is a little light tonight, but the “cannon” Golson will be in there in the late innings and perhaps Gardner too.
Lots of pop at the bottom of the order. Nice.
Let’s hope that Jeter and Cano continue to be successful against Shields.
Taking 2 out of 3 in this series would be fantastic after the way that things went in Texas and in game 1.
WYH – i wouldn’t think that boston has a good shot at resigning all 4 of those guys…
My gut tells me Andy is retiring after this year.
The Yankees may be planning for that by having Lee replace Pettitte and using the fifth slot for another competition for that slot.
Not a major gripe from me but I’m just feeling Golsonish today.
It’s not like he’d be replacing Babe Ruth out there. Kearns was looking like he couldn’t even see the ball last night.
Curtis is a lefty so I guess Joe’s going go with the match-ups that never really work out for him anyway.
Shudder the thought of Boone Logan getting overused as the lone lefty in the bullpen. There’s now a Plan B in Royce Ring.
Ring was one of the final cuts in spring training and went on to have a terrific year at AAA. He wasn’t on the 40-man roster so Cashman must have made a move.
CB,
Good thoughts in the last thread.
I don’t think they’ll go all out, but I do think the Yankees will drive up the price for Crawford.
And you really never know with the Yankees. Sometimes they target on a player years in advance and make the move even when it seems redundant.
That’s why getting Swisher was so magnificent. Of course, there was no guarantee of landing Tex.
But it really ended up being a red herring. And possibly sealed the deal as Henry thought he was the only person with a horse in the race.
Boston needs to do something to keep their fans happy this off season
they sold this year as being a “bridge year” (bridge to what? you might ask)
they can blame not being in the play offs on all their injuries, and are playing better than expected considering they lost Youk and the elf
They have been trash talking Ells, so he may not be back
CountryClub September 15th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
I mentioned this earlier today, but it’s worth repeating. Berkman is hitting .444 with a .550 OBP so far in Sept.
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with zero hr’s, 1 rbi and 3 runs scored…high obp and ops are nice but if it doesn’t result in runs it doesn’t matter – its not a knock on berkman – just how bad the team has been the last 10 days
I think Boston is more likely to go after Werth than Crawford this offseason.
We will lose this game to the Rays.
CB-
I assume that if the Sox get Crawford they’ll convince him to play CF. But I think it’s more likely they will stick with Ellsbury and go for Werth.
Bridge Year in Beantown, Kate?
What it means is, they’re all jumping off that bridge
Yankees recall Royce Ring, designate Chad Huffman for assignment
By Mike Axisa
i thought golson would definitely get an opportunity in RF tonight.
Very good lineup consider the absence of Gardner and Swisher . I am thinking Berkman is due for a big blast in a Yankee uniform.
I assume that if the Sox get Crawford they’ll convince him to play CF. But I think it’s more likely they will stick with Ellsbury and go for Werth.
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The sox dont have endless finances. They have another year odl 10M to mike Cameron too. They would have to put out 13-15 M for Crawford and maybe even more for Werth.
PLus Beltre, Ortiz, V-Mart? a SS?
# Wave Your Hat September 15th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
CB-
I assume that if the Sox get Crawford they’ll convince him to play CF. But I think it’s more likely they will stick with Ellsbury and go for Werth.
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I can see that happening. Ellsbury was the ‘second coming’, wasn’t he? Would seem panicky for them to give up on him now (though I wouldn’t put it past them).
Another guy that Werth reminds me of is Corey Hart. Just something about those guys that just screams “bleh” to me…
I don’t think Boston is signing Martinez.
I think he ends up with the White Sox.
Unless they change their stance, the Sox and Martinez aren’t even close in the talks they have had this season.
I think Varitek and Saltamacchia will be the catchers in Boston next year.
Ortiz will be back.
Beltre? Interesting case. His best two years have come in walk years.
When he signed his long term deal with Seattle, he went completely in the tank.
Coming off this season, Scott Boras (his agent) is definitely not taking a below market deal for him.
Plus, it may not be in the Red Sox best interests to sign Beltre to a long term deal given his history.
That’s probably a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not he’s back in Boston next year.
I would say there is no chance they sign both Crawford and Werth.
I think they would love to trade Papelbon.
However, I don’t know what kind of return they will get for a 10+ million dollar closer, trending downward, in his walk year. That’s a big risk for a team to trade for him under those circumstances.
I have a feeling he will be back in Boston next year.
Cashman needs to go September 15th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
CountryClub September 15th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
I mentioned this earlier today, but it’s worth repeating. Berkman is hitting .444 with a .550 OBP so far in Sept.
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with zero hr’s, 1 rbi and 3 runs scored…high obp and ops are nice but if it doesn’t result in runs it doesn’t matter – its not a knock on berkman – just how bad the team has been the last 10 days
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Correct. But right now he’s one bat we don’t need to worry about. Hopefully a few more guys get hot and suddenly they’re not luck to score 3 or 4 runs a game.
Gammons said the other day that Werth had parted ways with his agent and would be going Boras.
You don’t do that unless you are looking for a big payday.
Cashmoney September 15th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Yankees recall Royce Ring, designate Chad Huffman for assignment
By Mike Axisa
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Chad posted this on top 10 minutes before
West Coast Yankee Fan September 15th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Finances aside (it’s the Yankees – they’re worth $2 billion dollars) the comparison between Crawford and Gardner is absurd. Home runs and RBI’s do mean something.
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Doesn’t make any difference what the Yanks are worth. They still have a budget. It’s not unlimited.
Hal controls the purse strings and he decides what their budget is on a yearly basis.
Who are we to tell Hal how much he has to spend regardless how much their worth?
It’s not our business to tell them what they can afford just like it’s not my business to tell you what you can afford given whatever your yearly salary is.
Carl Crawford can’t be convinced to play CF. He wants no part of it and has made that clear over the years. He’s not changing his mind for the Red Sox.
Another guy that Werth reminds me of is Corey Hart. Just something about those guys that just screams “bleh” to me…
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offensively , they are comparable stats wise this year. But defensively Werth is a far superior OF than Hart.
Jayson Werth is a better player than Hart .
CountryClub September 15th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Cashman needs to go September 15th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
CountryClub September 15th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
I mentioned this earlier today, but it’s worth repeating. Berkman is hitting .444 with a .550 OBP so far in Sept.
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with zero hr’s, 1 rbi and 3 runs scored…high obp and ops are nice but if it doesn’t result in runs it doesn’t matter – its not a knock on berkman – just how bad the team has been the last 10 days
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Correct. But right now he’s one bat we don’t need to worry about. Hopefully a few more guys get hot and suddenly they’re not luck to score 3 or 4 runs a game
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the zero hr’s kind of bother me a little – i know he’s only hit 13 all year but we already have enough of singles hitters on the team (gardner, jeter, cervelli, arod
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i like this line-up
the more i see Berkman getting at bats, the more i know he is going to get clutch hits.
someone earlier stated both Gardner and Swisher should be kept on the bench until the road trip-of course. i could not agree more.
since both received cortisone shots, they are both on the road to recovery.
if Girardi wants to insert Gardner as a defensive replacement, that is fine. just don’t let him swing until Friday at the earliest.
given what they have to work with I like this lineup…hopefully Kearns and Curtis can give them a little better ABs today.
Anybody else seen how bad Manny has looked since joining the ChiSox?…getting beat on a lot of fastballs….his career may be nearing an end.
If Crawford would play CF that completely changes how you valuate him. However if he goes to cf he won’t produce the same individual defensive value he did in lf as the average defensive cf is so much better than the average lf.
That makes pricing him difficult. I also think boston signs werth.
Good to see ring finally called up. Should have been done days ago. Call up noesi as well and put him in the pen as long as he is under his innings limit
# Cashman needs to go September 15th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
the zero hr’s kind of bother me a little – i know he’s only hit 13 all year but we already have enough of singles hitters on the team (gardner, jeter, cervelli, arod
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As long as they hit them in bunches, I’ll take singles all day long!
Curtis seems like a good kid, but I wish we had an alternative. I wish Marcus could play even adequate defense, because his bat — even against righties — is missed.
We all get to be enlightened with the wisdom of Rick Sutcliffe tonight on Wednesday night baseball for the rubber game….wonder if he knows who is playing yet.
“Anybody else seen how bad Manny has looked since joining the ChiSox??”
I heard someone say this morning batting under .200 with no extra basehits and lots of Ks the past 2 weeks.
As long as they hit them in bunches, I’ll take singles all day long!
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worked for the angels all these years….
Blake-
Look for 94-95 mph gas from a rested Phil Hughes tonite.
If he has command it’s gonna be a long night for the Rays.
blake September 15th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
We all get to be enlightened with the wisdom of Rick Sutcliffe tonight on Wednesday night baseball for the rubber game….wonder if he knows who is playing yet.
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I find him pretty annoying…
I didn’t intend to say I thought the Sox would sign both Werth and Crawford. I was speaking in the alternative there.
I think the Sox almost have to try to sign Martinez, unless they can pry Napoli away from the Angels.
The worst was Chris Berman…
MTU,
I feel good about Hughes start and also the Yanks chances against Shields….pitching matchup wise this is probably the only of the 3 games you could argue the Yanks had an advantage…hope it turns out that way.
Kay making some interesting points……..
He is saying Girardi is tigher than he has ever seen him.
Kay and Girardi are close. This isn’t a Kay/Torre situation.
Kay is saying that he and Cashman have a “tremendous relationship” and that pressure isn’t coming from Cashman.
He doesn’t have any idea why he is so tight and he’s never seen him like this.
“He doesn?t have any idea why he is so tight and he?s never seen him like this.”
He’s worried that the Cubs ownership saw how he mismanaged the TEX series. LOL!
# m September 15th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
The worst was Chris Berman…
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I don’t enjoy ESPN at all anymore. All of their announcers and desk jockeys are so full of themselves, trying to be ‘entertaining’ with their catch phrases and ‘cool’ references. They don’t even talk about the highlights most of the time, too busy being ‘hip’.
So glad there’s MLB and NFL Network. I get my highlights and analysis there. No answer for college FB, but the College GameDay guys aren’t that bad. Though Corso really needs to retire. Holtz too…
Blake-
Last time they skipped Phil his command was off but his stuff was high octane.
If he gets thru the first inning or two w/o issues I think he will do us proud.
Would love to see the offense jump on Shields early and give Hughes an immediate cushion. They need to continue to show a pulse.
# SJ44 September 15th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Kay making some interesting points……..
He is saying Girardi is tigher than he has ever seen him.
Kay and Girardi are close. This isn’t a Kay/Torre situation.
Kay is saying that he and Cashman have a “tremendous relationship” and that pressure isn’t coming from Cashman.
He doesn’t have any idea why he is so tight and he’s never seen him like this.
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I hate to speculate about something like this but you wonder if something is going on at home for Girardi to be like that. Maybe his father’s health is failing even more.
Girardi is a guy who likes to keep issues in house. There could be something there he doesn’t want the media to know.
They only want to give Martinez a two year deal and Martinez wants a longer term deal.
Mainly because, IMO, I think he knows he will get a 3-4 year offer from the White Sox.
That means, do the Sox up their offer to Victor or let him go?
Its going to be an interesting off-season in Boston. Lots of tough decisions for them.
I just got home and read Chad’s post with the lineup and the news about Royce Ring.
See? They DO read Lohud!!!
That’s a good development. I wonder if it was a direct reaction to last night – having brought Logan in so early and having no lefty to face Crawford or someone else later in the game, or if it was something they had been working on – I have no idea how long call-ups take.
BTW, SJ.
What are you doing listening to Michael Kay anyways?
Don’t you get enough of his tired act during the broadcast?
Tulo and the Rockies are just hammering the Padres………Giradi is feeling the heat as Kay just mentioned…You can make a case for that being true by some of his recent moves…..Club needs to win tonight and help their skipper out some
GF,
Only thing I noticed is when I saw him last week, it looked like he lost 20 pounds.
That surprised me.
He’s definitely looked more stressed the last 10 days.
Hopefully, it isn’t transferring to the players.
Perhaps last night’s game will lighten him up.
Rocktober or Giantober (sounds weird) , but watching a car wreck in progress is much more of fascinating story than a Cinderella one for me.
I am hoping the collapse will come to fruition .
Girardi is tight by nature. I think he works to keep himself cool, but under pressure the true nature will come out.
At least he’s not scary tight like Showalter.
Giuseppe Franco -
I just read your post above mine speculation about what might be going on with Joe G. Same thing when through my mind. Sometimes it is from off-the-field private issues. We’re all only human.
SJ, are you at the Trop the for these games and are you sensing the club is a little tighter than usual ????
It could very well be a private issue that he wants to keep private.
I can’t imagine he’s getting really stressed out over job security or anything of that nature.
He probably knows he’ll have a job next season regardless how the seasons ends.
Maybe Joe’s wife wants to move back to Chicago, now that the Cub job opened up?
This seemed to start around the time Lou Pinella retired…
I would say the reason is simple why Joe has been looking “tight”. Before last nights game it took a walk off by Swisher to avoid an 8 or 9 game losing streak at the most critical time of the season. Who wouldn’t feel tight in that scenario as skipper. Hopefully the tide has turned and Joe will loosen up a bit. They made 3 championship plays last night in the late innings, could be just what the doctor ordered.
SJ44 -
You’re talking about Joe G, right, looking lke he lost 20 pounds? Because I thought he looked like he’s lost weight, too. Plus, circles under the eyes and just a worn out look. Like he’s not sleeping much. I know it’s tough to manage a team with no pitching, but I’m thinking there’s gotta be more to it than that.
Pat M,
Here tonight.
Haven’t been here the past two nights.
The team has been tight. “Very tight” in the words of one player.
Last nights win lightened the mood considerably.
Even if they lose tonight, it won’t be as tight as it’s been.
Mainly because, realistically, they only needed to win one game here.
“and are you sensing the club is a little tighter than usual ”
Well, you didn’t ask me but I would just say that the club we saw last night on the field looked the opposite of tight to me!
This is the “been there, done that” band, and they are led by someone who totally believes in them and understands better than anyone else the ebb and flow of the game – and the strength of his team.
Now if you ask if the forum is a little tighter than usual…
“Tulo and the Rockies are just hammering the Padres”
Tulo was one of my best pick ups in fantasy baseball. Last week alone he got me 50+ points. That’s almost unheard of! Mama mia, he has 18 already today alone, and the game isn’t over.
The downside is that the pitcher for the Padres is also on my fantasy team. -9.5 points and I’m sure he’ll take the loss, so that’s an additional -7, I believe.
Fantasy giveth, and fantasy taketh.
“I just read your post above mine speculation about what might be going on with Joe G. Same thing when through my mind. Sometimes it is from off-the-field private issues. We’re all only human.”
Then he should take a leave of absence of something. If something isin’t right in his personal life, and it is affecting his managing, he should take some time off – no one will blame him for it. We’re in the playoffs anyway, so it’s not like it is during a “pennant race”.
It’s odd – these games should not be pressurized at all for Girardi or the team. We’re in the playoffs and all he has to do is relax and manage like he always has. In fact, he should be relaxing. Teams like Philly, Atlanta, SD, SF, COL should be the ones who are stressed out because every game has either positive or negative implications for them.
One other point -
IF the players are feeling tight, or some of them, it may not necessarily be as a result of Girardi’s demeanor of late. At least some of them seem to be able to get tight all on their own.
I’d imagine a few games where they couldn’t get the one big hit, wasting opportunities and losing a couple of games in walk-off fashion that they thought they had won would make anyone tight.
On the other hand, if the manager is tight it may be very difficult to alleviate the overall feeling that everyone feels at least a little bit.
You know it seems to me that now woudl be the perfect time for a pool tournament.
Doreen,
Yes.
I saw him last Thursday and I was surprised at how gaunt he looks.
I haven’t seen him yet today or asked anybody about it.
I’ve noticed how tight he’s looked and managed lately and I honestly don’t know why.
He’s a very private guy so, if something is up, I’m sure very few people know about it.
I know the players aren’t aware of anything off the field going on with him.
Hey both SJ and CR9 go to the Rays games. Is there a Paul O’Neill banner anywhere present?
If I were Joe Girardi and had to listen to a yammering press every night and then read the gracious comments about him on the lohud blog (he does read this, doesn’t he?) I’d be pretty gaunt too!
HEY JOE! SOME OF US HAVE YOUR BACK BUDDY!!! IGNORE THE REST.
I am listening to Jerry Manuel being interviewed on Francesa ; he sounds like a beaten man.
When the best thing you can say about your team at this junction of the season is that other teams should be leery of your team’s potentiality of being a spoiler. It is petty sad.
Does anyone here think he will be back next year ?
You lose 7 out of 8 games, you get tight.
I don’t care who you are.
Derek Jeter, the epitome of cool, almost chucked a helmet across the dugout in Texas.
No team is “loose” losing 7 of 8 in a pennant race.
Guys spoke last night as if it was a relief to win.
That’s what happens when you are in bad losing streaks.
It doesn’t matter how long you have been in the game.
Long losing streaks suck when you are used to winning.
It makes everybody cranky.
Granderson seemed pretty loose during his interview with Kay earlier today. Said the most important thing is getting into the playoffs. Said it would be nice to win the division but once you get there, it’s 0-0 and everyone has the same chance, so the division isin’t that crucial and the main thing is to make sure guys are healthy. Basically mimicked with Girardi said.
He was obviously just being politically correct, but still.
You could tell from Jorge’s expression after he hit that monster tater that things are not all happy go lucky in Yankee land.
Usually when someone hits a HR like that the player and the team is visibly happy, like David Price jumping around last night after Aybar’s blast.
Jorge ran around the bases with a look on his face like he has had enough of this crap that has been going on the past week or so.
I, for one, will give Girardi the benefit of the doubt.
Even so, people aren’t perfect. And I agree that the players could be playing tight. But if that’s so, some of them have been playing tight for large stretches of the season.
It was a tough week of 1 run losses. A few breaks here or there, and I suspect we’re not hearing this kind of noise.
I was in the car the other day and I heard Gammons on the radio talking up that there’s a big trade to be made between the Mets and the Red Sox this off season.
I think at one point he was even intimating that the Red Sox would be interested in both Wright and Reyes.
If the Mets ever traded the left side of their infield for Red Sox prospects, I think the Mets fans would kill people. Gammons was suggesting Ellsbury, Iglesias, Dice K maybe Papelbon headlining the package.
Please, let’s not compare the Yankees to David Price.
He’s youthful and exuberant. But he is obnoxious in the dugout when his team scores, but funny things happen when he jumps up and down. They often end up losing. The baseball gods frown on that kind of behavior.
Off to 24 hour fitness. so I can justify having an In-n-Out Double Double with my pal Nick in SF……Go Bombers !!!! Be cool tonight Betsy, no worries
Don’t expect much of anything out of Royce Ring. The only thing that he has going for him is that he’s a warm, left handed corpse. He does well in the minors, with considerably less success in the ML, and is a relief version in Igawa.
If Girardi is “tight”, and we only have talk radio speculation to say he is, it’s probably because he knows better than anyone how the health issues are producing thin lineups and unpredictable pitching. The Yanks have been losing, and Joe’s probably worried that the problems will carry into the post-season. I’m sure there is a lot of pressure to win in the post-season.
I say, don’t contribute to the pressure (unless Joe insists on playing Cervelli instead of Posada or batting Granderson against lefties or some good, Wave-approved reason like that).
Wood or Papelbon would be ideal for the mets. Will they have the equipment to eat K-rod’s money, though?
Giuseppe Franco September 15th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
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Doesn’t make any difference what the Yanks are worth. They still have a budget. It’s not unlimited. Hal controls the purse strings and he decides what their budget is on a yearly basis. Who are we to tell Hal how much he has to spend regardless how much their worth? It’s not our business to tell them what they can afford just like it’s not my business to tell you what you can afford given whatever your yearly salary is.
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How silly Giuseppe. I’m a Yankee fan on a sports blog giving my opinion. I’m not telling Hal to “do” anything. IMO, yes the Yankees have a budget, and yes $210 million is a very healthy one. But, to a franchise worth $2 billion dollars, I do not buy the fact that there is a substantive difference between $210 million and $230 million to the Yankees. The new stadium, the Yes network, the stadium management company with Jerry Jones, foreign rights and merchandising, etc., are why I believe that.
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# G. Love September 15th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
I was in the car the other day and I heard Gammons on the radio talking up that there’s a big trade to be made between the Mets and the Red Sox this off season.
I think at one point he was even intimating that the Red Sox would be interested in both Wright and Reyes.
If the Mets ever traded the left side of their infield for Red Sox prospects, I think the Mets fans would kill people. Gammons was suggesting Ellsbury, Iglesias, Dice K maybe Papelbon headlining the package.
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I never buy anything Gammons says but if that were to come true, dumping the 2 faces of the franchise for a craptastic package like that? Minaya would be dragged through Queens to Times Square and then drawn and quartered!
Is there a possibility that part of the Girardi tightness is pressure from “above?” You almost get the sense that some of the “rest” required for the pen might have been dictated from above, as well as some of the personnel decisions.
I do think there are enough veterans in the clubhouse to offset Girardi’s tension, though the core four were not exactly a loose group.
# Pat M. September 15th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Off to 24 hour fitness. so I can justify having an In-n-Out Double Double with my pal Nick in SF……Go Bombers !!!! Be cool tonight Betsy, no worries
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Animal style, baby!
Why would the Mets want any of those players….they are the Mets though I guess so nothing is really out of the question.
It’s tough being the Yankee skipper. Especially this year.
The rotation of “1″ , injuries up the ying-yang and your biggest competition is in your bosses hometown and they’ve been up your butt for most of the season. And you gotta have the best record in MLB.
Joe’s seems like he’s wrapped pretty tightly on his best day.
We may never know what Joe’s issue is, here. I don’t know that it’s the team, even with the current blahs. Heck, I would have thought he was under some pressure last year, given that they missed the playoffs in 2008 for the first time in forever, and his well documented problems, to boot.
Winning makes everything better. We’ll see if it’s the tonic here.
“Please, let’s not compare the Yankees to David Price.”
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The Yankees celebrate in the dugout over big HRs or hits all the time. Some of them even do mini celebrations on the bases after a big hit.
Usually after HR Tex gets confused about what sport he is watching and gives the “It’s Good!!” sign.
There are lots of factors. Primary is they’re shorthanded. But no contract extension could be a part of it. They say one thing, but people are human. They’re going to want to do well in their contract year.
Anyway, to much Girardi talk this week. The focus should be on the field. Like winning today’s game.
The losing has made them tight… I don’t think they are tight solely because their manager is tight.
Not like they can blame the manager for all of it when they left 32 on base the first 2 games in Texas and did nothing offensively on Sunday-Monday.
If you go back to the Red Sox series last year after they lost the first 8 or during the Washington-Florida-Atlanta slump last year… I’m sure the team reacted the same way.
Once they start winning games (and it is set up for them to do so. Rays starter with the highest ERA tonight, Baltimore, then a 7 game homestand), things will look a lot better.
Actually, there is a big difference because it increases the amount of money the Yankees have to contribute in luxury tax payments by a very fair amount.
You get taxed at 40% for every dollar you are over the luxury tax threshold.
Add another 20 million to the payroll and you can see how that adds up.
All that does is help fund your competitors. A practice the Yankees would like not to do.
You know what really annoys me?
Go compare AJ’s and Carl Pavano’s last two seasons.
# West Coast Yankee Fan September 15th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
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How silly Giuseppe. I’m a Yankee fan on a sports blog giving my opinion. I’m not telling Hal to “do” anything. IMO, yes the Yankees have a budget, and yes $210 million is a very healthy one. But, to a franchise worth $2 billion dollars, I do not buy the fact that there is a substantive difference between $210 million and $230 million to the Yankees. The new stadium, the Yes network, the stadium management company with Jerry Jones, foreign rights and merchandising, etc., are why I believe that.
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I guess we’ll find out how silly that notion is when they decide against adding that much payroll in the offseason.
And it’s NOT just a $20M difference between $210M and $230M. You have to add the 40% luxury tax on top of that.
Jorge ran around the bases with a look on his face like he has had enough of this crap that has been going on the past week or so.
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Yes LGY, that’s what leaders do, they lead with their actions not with their yappers. Jorgie is a true team leader up there with the captain. He’ one of my all time favorites for that very reason. Failing is not part of his makeup. I know that sounds like a cliche but in this case it’s 100% true. I want him the lineup as much as humanly possible.
HFA may not be between the Yanks and Rays. The Twins are only 1 game behind the Yankees in the lost column, and have a fairly easy schedule to end the season. It could be the match-ups between the Yanks and Rays keep either one from getting HFA.
Doreen, these are pros, from the manager on down. They are used to highs and lows in a season, used to turning the page, used to be hammered by at-times blistering press as well as the jibes of ungrateful fans. And it’s late in the season and they’re pretty beat up. I think you’re seeing is the result of a long season with all of that attendant crap. JMO
“I, for one, will give Girardi the benefit of the doubt.
Even so, people aren’t perfect. And I agree that the players could be playing tight. But if that’s so, some of them have been playing tight for large stretches of the season.
It was a tough week of 1 run losses. A few breaks here or there, and I suspect we’re not hearing this kind of noise”
mel, the only noise I’ve heard has come from this forum and things attributed to the team. I’m sure they’ve been happier at points in the season but the team I watched last night was hardly tight.
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I have no idea if anyone from that organization reads lohud, seriously, even though it is kind of funny that things seem to happen after they are mentioned here – but then this isn’t mensa either. I doubt that anyone comes up with things here that haven’t been thought of by the real baseball minds out there in the organization!
That said, I am sincerely hoping that nobody from the Yankees does read this stuff because if they did, they would have to look five times to make sure they weren’t reading SOSH with some of the totally horrid things that are said about both the manager and the team. I’m not talking constructive criticism here.
Does anyone know how the postseason rosters work? If Ring has a good couple of weeks, will he be eligible since he was not on our 40 man on Sept 1? Thanks for any info…
$20MM is a lot of money. But if you believe $20MM isn’t a lot of money, you aren’t going to think $28MM is a lot of money either.
The dugout was PUMPED yesterday… Swisher was screaming at the top of his lungs, A-Rod, Kearns, AJ, Berkman high-fiving eachother.
Jorge didn’t show emotion, but the team did. See how pumped Jeter was after Golson’s throw? He NEVER shows that kind of emotion after wins. A-Rod was also pumped.
Jorge’s non-reaction was isolated, the team was fired up yesterday if you watched the dugout shots after the HR and after the Golson throw.
The Other Phil,
I think Gammons goes on the air and throws out trial balloons for the Red Sox and sees what the reaction is to them.
The most interesting thing I heard in that was that he mentioned Iglesias going in a package which tells me the Red Sox are backing off “future Ozzie Smith” comparisons if they are considering internally dealing for Reyes.
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The dugout was PUMPED yesterday… Swisher was screaming at the top of his lungs, A-Rod, Kearns, AJ, Berkman high-fiving eachother.
Jorge didn’t show emotion, but the team did. See how pumped Jeter was after Golson’s throw? He NEVER shows that kind of emotion after wins. A-Rod was also pumped.
Jorge’s non-reaction was isolated, the team was fired up yesterday if you watched the dugout shots after the HR and after the Golson throw.
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That’s a good point. You know who was pumped who you NEVER see pumped? Mariano Rivera.
He fist-pumped after Golson’s throw, and you NEVER see Rivera show ANY sort of emotion until after a World Series has been won.
Jorge was smiling when he got to the dugout.
Most players don’t show much emotion running the bases after HRs unless they are walk offs or milestones.
I took Jorge’s on field reaction to be all business. Enough was enough. He hit the snot out of that ball. I don’t think he needed to yell like a gladiator to make it more emphatic.
I think the timing and drama of the HR could pay dividends if Phil pitches well tonight.
The good news is they put up 7 runs last night. I’m still a little concerned that all our runs seem to come from HR’s though, but it’s still 7 runs.
“The good news is they put up 7 runs last night. I’m still a little concerned that all our runs seem to come from HR’s though, but it’s still 7 runs.”
Those HRs are good news. We’d been missing those HRs.
The yankees were pumped because they were so tight all their tightness blew out when they won. Jorge’s look was before they had even won the game. His face said it all. “lets go!”
And then once they got that big play, which may have saved their season in terms of the division race (and certainly some sanity), they were all giddy.
I’ve seen the yankees less excited for walk offs than last night.
Giuseppe I am not saying you are not right, I am not a Hal fan at all and he probably will again give Cashman close to $200 and say make it work. That’s why we started the season ith a $2.9 million bench. He is not George that’s for sure.
I do believe that the Yankees are walking towards the edge of the cliff right now, they are not there yet. Jeter, Posada, Mo, A-Rod and Pettitte are not getting younger and that is a whole lot of production and talent to replace. Jesus Montero isn’t going to do it alone and I don’t see anyone else in the Yankees system that will either. That’s why a 29 year old Crawford appeals to me. And that won’t be enough. I’d get what I could for a Joba-Granderson package and go with Crawford in left, Gardner in center and Swish in right.
“That’s a good point. You know who was pumped who you NEVER see pumped? Mariano Rivera.
He fist-pumped after Golson’s throw, and you NEVER see Rivera show ANY sort of emotion until after a World Series has been won”
I think we were seeing a mixture of elation and relief! I don’t think that a team losing 7 (?) straight is necessarily making jokes and dancing a jig, but they played the opposite of tight last night. I mean it isn’t like they were routed the last 7 games. They were probably more frustrated than anything. Every one of those games was winnable – and it didn’t happen.
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I’ll tell you who was loose as a goose today – me! I definitely noticed more spring in my step. Maybe it was the way the game ended as much as anything because I did believe we were going to win it. But that throw from Golson – after watching the catch by Grandy – well what a way to end. And I watched as many replays of that final throw as I could.
Sweet.
well that is as close to a walk off as you can get on the road…loved Mo’s comment on Posada’s HR..too bad it was only one run
Jorge hit that ball so hard last night he nearly tore a hole in the fabric of space which almost affected the the Time-Space continuum
causing a ripple in time.
In other words, he mashed it.
GB,
Sorry to see that you don’t consider Ring a ML pitcher. I was hoping that would give us 2 lefties to count on.
“Those HRs are good news. We’d been missing those HRs”
Agree. We’re a HR-hitting team. It is no coincidence that the 4 games we’ve lost on this trip so far, we’ve not hit a HR in any of them. This offense needs to hit HRs to be productive.
“Jorge hit that ball so hard last night he nearly tore a hole in the fabric of space which almost affected the the Time-Space continuum
causing a ripple in time.
In other words, he mashed it.
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And let’s not overlook something HUGE. Derek Jeter is back! I will tell you he may have made some adjustments, but I think the competitor in Jeter took over. He did NOT like sitting out a game. Jeter? He’s got an edge! When your table setter sets the table, it’s a lot easier to eat!!! (Another reason I think the Sux suffered this season and I set it from the start when Ellsbury was hurt. They definitely missed what he brought to the table.)
“Sorry to see that you don’t consider Ring a ML pitcher.”
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GB has said the same thing about every minor league pitcher called up this season. Negative about tweener pitchers, positive about tweerner position players like Golson for example.
Personally, I love to see small ball in there too. There’s nothing like watching that carousel of players go round the bases.
IMO, the only way the Metsies are taking on big salaries is if, in the deal, they lose at least an equal amount of payroll. If they could convince the Red Sox, or whomever, to take on Carlos Beltran and his knee brace, and his 18M, never mind Papelbon, the Wilpons would do a jig….
Yankee OPS+ rankings, 1-9:
9. Cervelli (79)
8. Jeter (86)
7. Granderson (101)
6. Gardner (105)
5. Rodriguez (117)
4. Posada (123)
3. Teixeira (125)
2. Swisher (130)
1. Cano (142)
when looked at w/a pragmatic eye, that’s pretty damn dead on (proving yet again the validity of OPS+ as a valid offensive player ranking.)
http://www.baseball-reference......2010.shtml
from wiki:
OPS+ is OPS adjusted for the park and the league in which the player played, but not for fielding position. An OPS+ of 100 is defined to be the league average. An OPS+ of 150 or more is excellent and 125 very good, while an OPS+ of 75 or below is poor.
trisha,
I’m with you there. The small ball is what’s missing for me. When the power goes out, this team needs to find other ways to score.
MTU September 15th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Jorge hit that ball so hard last night he nearly tore a hole in the fabric of space which almost affected the the Time-Space continuum
causing a ripple in time.
In other words, he mashed it.
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No doubt that Posada knocked the crap out of it. That baby was purged.
My guess is that it was the farthest he’s ever hit that ball.
# West Coast Yankee Fan September 15th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Giuseppe I am not saying you are not right, I am not a Hal fan at all and he probably will again give Cashman close to $200 and say make it work. That’s why we started the season ith a $2.9 million bench. He is not George that’s for sure.
I do believe that the Yankees are walking towards the edge of the cliff right now, they are not there yet. Jeter, Posada, Mo, A-Rod and Pettitte are not getting younger and that is a whole lot of production and talent to replace. Jesus Montero isn’t going to do it alone and I don’t see anyone else in the Yankees system that will either. That’s why a 29 year old Crawford appeals to me. And that won’t be enough. I’d get what I could for a Joba-Granderson package and go with Crawford in left, Gardner in center and Swish in right.
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Don’t understand your issues with Hal at all. The payroll right now is as high as it’s ever been.
He spends money like his father did. He leaves his GM and manager to do their jobs and he doesn’t make dumb comments to the media to draw attention to himself. He’s the perfect owner for this team.
I like Crawford, too. But as many have pointed out, he’s not a $100M player. He doesn’t fit their needs.
But Cliff Lee does and that’s why they will spend what it takes to sign him in addition to resigning Mo and Jeter plus Pettitte if he decides he wants to return.
“When the power goes out, this team needs to find other ways to score.”
I can’t argue with that, but what I am opposed to is sacrificing power opportunities for small ball play. Such as when Girardi had Granderson bunting Monday night, or pinch runs Pena for ARod.
SAS September 15th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
GB,
Sorry to see that you don’t consider Ring a ML pitcher. I was hoping that would give us 2 lefties to count on.
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As long as he doesn’t face right handed batters or really good to decent left handed hitters.
G. Love, it could be that when the team is struggling everyone tries to win the game and they way they try to win it is with the long ball. But damn these guys are good enough to play good fundamental baseball, bunt guys over, get someone in with a sac fly. Those are the things I miss watching and happening! And you’re not always going to have someone on the mound serving you things right down the middle of the plate. Start small!
ET September 15th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
“Those HRs are good news. We’d been missing those HRs”
Agree. We’re a HR-hitting team. It is no coincidence that the 4 games we’ve lost on this trip so far, we’ve not hit a HR in any of them. This offense needs to hit HRs to be productive.
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Home runs are the great equalizer in any games. This Yankees team are 17th in Avg (260) and yet 9th in slug (426) where home run comes into play, and 8th in OPS when hit with runner in scoring position.
While these numbers are certainly nothing to shame of ; It does illustrate that the Yankees could a better job in those particular area.
with the potential names such as Liriano and Lee in mind, One can not count on Homerun to propel this offense in the post season.
To that end, I would like to see Yankees improve their approach and execution with RISP and runner on 3rd with less than one out situations.
caveat, Boston Red Sox leads the ML with 2outs/RISP with 855 ops , is second in RISP period.
Wave, playing devil’s advocate here, but when you know you have a low or no scoring game, you have to find a way to make things happen. I have no trouble having Pena pinch run for Arod if you are looking at chances to perhaps score the only run in the game. Also, if it’s a case of Alex hurting, then it’s a good thing to do. JMO
GB,
lol
trisha, I agree there are situations where you need to make things happen. My view, given the generally powerful Yank offense, is that those situations crop up toward the end of the game, when 1 or 2 runs could make a big difference in the outcome.
Also, your point is stronger given all the injuries the Yanks have had and the relative thinness of the lineup compared to the Yank usual lineup. Especially the 7-9 batters, some small ball might be appropriate.
But IMO, Girardi has been too willing to take his big bats out of the game for a marginal advantage like a pinch runner. But, it could be because of the injuries and Joe is doing what he feels he has to do, in which case I’d say Joe knows better than I do. But I don’t know which it is.
And the Granderson bunt the other night? No excuse!
Giuseppe – the payroll is high yes, but, the team made some really poor decisions regarding the amount and length of contracts in the recent past. IMO, if they don’t spend more and start to rebuild this team through trades and free agency – they don’t have enough talent in the minors to play at the level we all expect them too.