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Derek Jeter’s (un)tarnished reputation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 16, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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I was surprised to learn today that Derek Jeter, in fact, sold his soul last night. He threw sportsmanship out the window, sullied his good name and became a disgraced member of the Yankees organization when he accepted a bad call, took a base he didn’t deserve and scored a dishonest run.

I was surprised to learn these things, because Jeter was playing a baseball game at the time of his transgression.

In baseball, catchers snag outside pitches, scoot the glove toward the plate and sell ball four as strike three. It’s considered a skill. Hitters take borderline pitches and immediately sprint out of the box as if there should be no question that the pitch was out of the zone. Outfielders make diving attempts on shallow fly balls and immediately hold up the ball. How could that ball have hit the ground if it’s currently wrapped tightly in a glove?

“I’m not going to tell them I’m not going to go to first,” Jeter said. “I’ve been hit before and they said I wasn’t hit. My job is to get on base.”

Baseball is an imperfect game. Umpires make the calls, and players do whatever they can to make those calls go their way. Was Jeter over the top last night? Maybe, but consider the situation:

He squared to bunt. A first-pitch fastball came in so close to his hands that it hit the very bat Jeter was holding. Spinning out of the way and reaching for his left arm wasn’t so much acting as it was reacting. Joe Girardi and Gene Monahan came running out of the Yankees dugout, not as the second act of a well-planned performance, but to make sure their shortstop wasn’t hurt. By the time player, manager and trainer converged, the call was made and it was time for the hard sell.

The alternative is far more laughable than Jeter’s theatrics. Is there any player in baseball who should be expected to correct an umpire who’s on the verge of giving him the benefit of a bad call? Should Girardi, as the manager of a team trailing by one run, have requested a different ruling? Should Monahan have explained that, in his medical opinion, Jeter’s at-bat should continue?

Even Rays manager Joe Maddon admitted he had no problem with the Yankees handling of the situation. Maddon’s problem was with the umpires who should have realized the ball hit the bat, not Jeter’s hand or arm or wrist or whatever body part he was vaguely grabbing. The umps might have realized the truth if not for Jeter’s reaction.

In that moment, Jeter, Girardi and Monahan were all catchers framing pitches. They were hitters taking ball four and fielders making shoestring catches. The play was over. All that remained was the convincing. It’s not about morality or ethics. It’s not even about sportsmanship. It’s about gamesmanship. If the Yankees and Rays were playing in a sandlot with no umpires, calling their own balls and strikes, then maybe there would have been a sportsmanship issue at play, but Jeter was playing in a Major League Baseball game last night. He was at work and he did his job.

I have no way of knowing, of course, but I suspect his soul is both intact and all his own.

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344 Responses to “Derek Jeter’s (un)tarnished reputation”

  1. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    LOL good post………….I swear, only Yankee fans.

    Jeter’s standing around the game is still as high as it’s ever been. Since when is baseball a morality play?

    If a player steals a base, arrest him – that’s theft and morally wrong. If hitter murders the baseball, life in prison for that dude.

    The HOF is littered with racists and psychos…………enough said.

  2. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Good post Chad.

    Lets take it a step further. Players that use steroids are the ultimate competitors. They are breaking laws and putting their bodies at risk all to give their team an edge.

    This is a serious post, I’m not mocking you Chad

  3. G. Love September 16th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Betsy,

    If this is the Tex we’re going to have to expect year in year out, the Yankees overpaid for his services.

    They did it rightly so since they were snatching him from Boston and he was a need here last year that contributed to a championship, but the streaky player he’s been offensively since he put on the pinstripes is not a cornerstone player for your team. We’re paying him 23 million dollars and he’s morphed into bad Giambi offensively.

    His defense can’t be questioned and he gets a lot of credit for that.

    As for Phil’s future, it’s pointless to talk endlessly about what he’s going to project to be as no one knows if he’s going to take the lessons he learned this season and apply them to next season and be a better pitcher.

    That said, I have to believe that he’s going to learn how to turn 2 strike counts into outs better in the future.

    I see SJ and CB telling us all the time that he is improving and I’m taking their word for it even though the results are hard to see sometimes.

    What we’re all pinning our hopes on him is that the struggles he’s had this season in certain types of situations he will learn how to handle differently after having this year to reflect on.

    He’s a good pitcher. He pitched well enough to win last night, but he did cough up the lead. That’s a fact.

    That said, the offense screwed him. He should be able to give up 4 runs in 7 and win with this offense.

  4. kevsmart September 16th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I agree with you 100%. I can’t believe the outcry in the sports media about this today, do they really have nothing better to do than make a special case of things that happen multiple times in every single baseball game? Catchers frame pitches, fielders try to sell a catch when they’ve trapped it, batters take off for first before ball 4 is called. It’s all part of the game. People crying about this really need to get a life and stop whining.

  5. m September 16th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Good post, Chad.

    Jeter DID beat the throw to third, Marty. That’s how he could sleep last night. :)

  6. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    I think LoHud ought to get the soapbox sponsored some will use to attack this post Chad! lol

    As I said earlier, I’ve been on this blog since Day One.

    I have never seen nor participated on a subject so ridiculous as what went on here last night over this stuff.

    From, “it’s Minka Kelly’s fault”, to questioning posters ethics and honesty over liking what Jeter did, to questioning Jeter himself, I’ve never seen anything like it.

    It truly was bizarro world in here last night over this.

  7. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    GLove, fair stuff…………….I don’t want to call Tex Giambi yet, but he doesn’t exactly show up a lot of the times when the team needs him. Alex missed over a month of the season last year and Tex had his worst April ever. This year, he was awful for the first 2 months of the season – those games count – and now he’s bad again.

  8. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    If people are expecting Hughes to “carry some of the load” by pitching shutouts or one run ball games they are likely to be disappointed.

    He isn’t there yet, I don’t know if he will ever be, but he’s not there yet.

    What the Yanks need from Phil is basically what they got last night. He got them through 6 innings giving up 2 runs. That is very good. He ran into trouble in the seventh, gave up the second HR. Unfortunately with a man on base.

    But you simply can’t reasonably expect more than that. Giving up 4 runs is not “unacceptable”. The Rays are the second highest scoring team in the majors. They are going to score runs.

    The offense needs to score.

    If Gardner and Swisher come back, it will.

    If Gardner and Swisher don’t come back, and Jeter doesn’t hit, and Tex and Cano stay in their slumps, the Yanks are going to lose in the post-season. It’s that simple.

    The pitching won’t, and can’t be expected to, win enough games if the lineup features Golson or Colin Curtis or Cervelli or Granderson against lefties, and Tex and Cano don’t hit.

    Sandy Koufax and 2 days of rain aren’t walking through the door.

  9. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Last night was Twilight Zonish………….extremely surreal.

    As I said, Girardi and Andy are religious men. Unless they are stoning Jeter to death as we speak, they are probably turning the other cheek, lol

  10. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Speaking of Minka Kelly, did anyone see the Entourage season finale? She looked GOOD and referred to her “boyfriend” but no mention of Jeter :(

  11. m September 16th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    I stayed off last night to avoid what sounds like went on. Lots of crazy stuff. People questioned Jeter for taking advantage of a ruling?

  12. CountryClub September 16th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Wait, there are actual Yankees fans complaining that Jeter took 1st base last night? It’s bad enough that some of the media seems to have a problem with it, but actual fans of the Yankees? My goodness.

  13. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    It’s unacceptable to make the same mistake twice to the same hitter in the game.

    He doesn’t need to be a 10 year vet to know that.

    Unfortunately, it was the gamewinner because the offense didn’t hit.

    However, let’s not shortchange Hughes.

    He’s plenty good enough already to not make that mistake to Johnson.

    It just didn’t happen last night.

  14. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    “People questioned Jeter for taking advantage of a ruling?”

    Actually, very few people did. But those that did were very adamant about it.

  15. Katie6542 September 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    I think it’s hilarious. Smart thinking by Jeter. The look Jeter gave the umpire after he turned his back, to see if he was “buying” it was hilarious! If another team pulled this off I’d laugh too and tip my hat. Good quick thinking. Baseball is full of surprises, thats what is so great about it!

    Next week when they play tampa again I’m sure he really will be hit though. All part of the game.

  16. CountryClub September 16th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Speaking of Minka Kelly, did anyone see the Entourage season finale? She looked GOOD and referred to her “boyfriend” but no mention of Jeter

    ——-

    She did look good in that episode…and she dropped an F bomb! I’ve never seen her do anything but broadcast TV, so that was funny. She also has a recurring role on Parenthood and popped up in Tuesday’s premier.

  17. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Nice post Chad. Always enjoy when you give your opinion on topics.

    The one benefit of questioning Jeter last night was that it provided some well needed comedic relief. I stopped even really caring about the loss anymore after it. Nick was on top of his game :)

    Going back to read what went on last night might do the same for you! ;)

  18. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    No, it wasn’t Yankee fans trashing Jeter.

    It was Trisha and a few others not only trashing Jeter for doing it but, questioning the honesty, integrity and morality of posters who defended/liked it.

    Like I said, it was bizarro world at it’s best/worst, depending on your view of it.

  19. m September 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Please tell me they weren’t regulars. Wait. Are they the people who rag on Jeter constantly because he’s struggling? Another nail in the cross they bear?

    As for Hughes, I don’t know what the ump was seeing. Lots of pitches right over the plate called wrong. I know they weren’t low because they aren’t the ankle strikes that Shields was getting.

  20. Pat M. September 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Hey, once the plate ump called the ball dead, Jeter just went with it, and did it well….That’s part of the game guys, always has been that way…..Man, just something else to rag on…….

  21. ADam September 16th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Now if someone on the Rays has done this… it would have been learned from the teaching of the all wise Oracle Joe Maddon…. thats the only story you would hear.

    No different than Michael Jordan drawing a foul, or a QB using a hard count to get someone off sides… Gamesmanship is absolutely right here

  22. CB September 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    repost:

    “last nights outing was the best of the season for Hughes with regards to predicting what he may do in tHe future. He showed things that he had yet to show this year. The end result wasnt good and he does still have issues finishing hitters and innings but their were positives from last night if you want to see them.”

    This is a very fair, balanced and accurate evaluation of what we saw and the related positives and disappointments.

    Almost all young pitchers pass through these intermediate states.

    That does not mean that Hughes is guaranteed to be an ace. But I can tell you Felix Hernandez, Ubaldo Jimenez and Josh Johnson had games just like the one Hughes threw last night, the major difference being that they generally didn’t have to do in in the heat of a pennant race.

  23. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Speaking of Minka Kelly, did anyone see the Entourage season finale? She looked GOOD and referred to her ?boyfriend? but no mention of Jeter
    ****************

    I saw it.

    Bad finale. But I like Minka.
    She’s also great on Parenthood

  24. pat September 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    From, ?it?s Minka Kelly?s fault?, to questioning posters ethics and honesty over liking what Jeter did, to questioning Jeter himself, I?ve never seen anything like it.

    Unfortunately, I’ve seen lots of things like it here.

  25. tyanksfan36 September 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    This was a great post by Chad. Yes, Jeter was a bit more theatrical than a pitcher framing a pitch or even all the Posada occurences at the plate this year. Why by the way has no one talked about that? Posada clearly tagged himself and not the runner, no one had a problem with that. And the other week when he tagged the runner with the ball in his other hand. I know Posada doesn’t have to stand up the the standards as Jeter. But they are the same.

  26. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Try to imagine to outrage if Jeter said “No, it would be wrong to go to first base”

    The guy wants to win. We want him to win.
    What is the question?

  27. Katie6542 September 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    LGY I agree with you, I too stopped caring as much about the loss. Needed a good laugh last night and that whole “scene” def cracked me up. At first I was concerned about Jeter getting hurt, which now that I look back on it, he looked as if he was in more pain then when he actually does get hit! lol

    Once I saw the replay I was relieved that he was OK and couldn’t stop laughing.

  28. Captain Clutch September 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Winning teams get contributions from the “kids”.

    The “kids” need to be able to carry some of the load.
    ———

    This is Phil’s 1st year as a starter and he is pitching in the AL East. The 2 out homeruns and 2 out hits have been hard to watch sometimes but he will learn. Too expect him to throw shut out baseball everytime out and not make mistakes as a rookie is not going to happen. Especially a rookie that has been living mostly off his fastball. If the rotation wasn’t just CC and the lineup was preforming “the kids” contributions would be enough.

  29. CB September 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    A real benefit to Jeter’s theatrics -

    The game thread was in it’s full melt down mode about the umpires conspiring against the yankees when Jeter got this call.

    How the home plate umpire or another umpire couldn’t hear the ball hit the bat is just amazing. He called it right away so jeter’s acting didn’t really even need to extend the situation.

  30. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    SJ44-

    I don’t agree Hughes made the same mistake twice. Hughes may have made two separate mistakes, but not the same mistake twice.

    I personally don’t think the first pitch was much of a mistake. Unlike some here (and I am NOT addressing this at you), I am willing to change my opinions when people point out flaws in my thinking.

    At first, I didn’t think there was a mistake at all on the first pitch. But, after watching the video about 20 times, I think Phil’s pitch was not as far in as I thought it was, and was lower than I thought it was. Posada set up about belt high and inside, the pitch came in mid-thigh and caught too much of the plate. The mistake, such as it was, and it was not large, was throwing the ball lower, and more away from Johnson, than Posada wanted. But you have to watch the video a lot to see that. Johnson punished him, but Hughes did not miss the target by too much.

    The second home run pitch was different. Posada set up low and away. He specifically motioned his glove low, several times. Hughes’ pitch instead missed up and in toward Johnson, with the result being a thigh-high pitch basically down the middle of the plate. THAT was a mistake.

    So, the first pitch, a fastball, missed down and away from the target. The second pitch, a cutter, missed up and in from the target. Also, it was a flatter pitch. And, the location caught more of the middle of the plate than the first pitch.

    Two separate mistakes, if you insist. I think it is somewhat severe to call the first pitch a mistake, but the case can be made it was. The second pitch seemed clearly a mistake.

  31. Andy - Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Stupid arrogant Yankee fans. No wonder all the bail outs went to banks and companies in New York. You all cheat your way through life. The only place your golden boy is being called a hero is here. When your team goes down in flames remember your aging super star who had to cheat to get on base.

  32. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    I understand what some of you are saying. Phil should not have given up 2 hr to a light weight hitter…however, overall I thought he had a good outing. I would rather him make 2 bad pitches, then give up a lot of hits or worse, BBs…and if the offense would have come thru, it would be a moot point…some would wish it was a mute point as well

  33. Bill D September 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    My personal favorite from last night:

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2010 at 3:10 am

    Feel free to continue to miss the big picture. This is about Derek Jeter, one of the heroes in the game to many people, not just Yankee fans. People feel let down by what he did tonight. I am one of them.

  34. clownthrowindown September 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Jeter should have taken the ump’s call of course. Bad calls work both ways.

    Jeter should not have spoken about it the way he did.

    Michael Jordan never made a fool of the refs after games by saying how many times he got to the line with their help. You take the call, you don’t make a spectacle of it afterwards. If Jeter had mumbled his usual vanilla answers, no one would be talking about it today, It would have just been a bad call that went NY’s way. Jeter is the one who turned it into a story.

  35. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Joe Maddon wasn’t upset.

    From MLB.com:

    “There’s several thespians throughout baseball,” Maddon said. “I thought Derek did a great job, and I applaud it, because I wish our guys would do the same thing.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb-270070

  36. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    I saw it.

    Bad finale. But I like Minka.
    She’s also great on Parenthood

    *ENTOURAGE SPOILERS* skip my post if you haven’t seen the finale.

    The finale was bad until the last 10 minutes. Eminem punching out Vince and Drama trying to defend his baby bro were awesome. Eric getting pissed at his new father in law and his boss was great too. Honestly though, this season in general was pretty bad. I don’t watch Entourage for the drama which is why Vince’s spiral into drug addiction was dumb IMO. Watching Entourage used to make me happy, it’s pure escapism. This season its like the writers forgot what made the show successful.

  37. Pat M. September 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    One last thought about Derek and the phantom hp last night….Does anyone here really believe that the plate ump actually heard Rivera’s pitch ruffle Jeff Francour’s uni the other night with 45 k people screaming at Arlington ???? What I found incredible was that none of the other blue’s offered up a rebuttal to the plate ump’s call…….It is what it is folks, it’s baseball, the grand old game……

  38. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    “No wonder all the bail outs went to banks and companies in New York. ”

    Ever heard of the Big Dig?

  39. m September 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Phil was good. But two mistakes make people say irrational things. I saw “overrated” and “trash” in the game thread.

    Stupid knows no boundaries.

  40. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Honestly, Joe Maddon is a pretty cool dude. He seems like a very logical guy which I like.

  41. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    I don’t have a problem with placing high expectations on talented players.

    Phil Hughes is a talented player.

    To say, “he’s not ready” to do anything more than “keep the team in the game” right now is ridiculous.

    He’s already more than that and has shown that this year.

    Andy Pettitte was 23 years old in 1996 when he helped the Yankees win a WS by coming up with big pitching performances in the post-season.

    That happened despite being on a pitching staff with veterans such as David Cone, Jimmy Key, and Kenny Rogers.

    Nobody is asking or expecting Hughes to carry the pitching staff.

    It is however not “too much” for him to not repeat mistakes that have plagued him.

    That’s not an unfair expectation because he has the talent right now to do so.

  42. Don September 16th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Someone in the last thread was blaming Cashman for not signing Matsui and Damon. I don’t think that is the reason for any Yankee problems. As SJ said in the previous thread: in the beginning of the year the starting pitching was rolling along, as soon as that fell apart all the problems began. And red sox fans shouldn’t throw stones in glass houses.

  43. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Patrick-

    I agree.
    I thought the show bottomed out in the Medellion season and its aftermath… it just seems to enjoy kicking the characters around.

    And I don’t enjoy Turtle’s sudden business genius for tequila. It doesn’t make sense.

    I do like the Humanization of Ari, but I don’t like the place they brought Vince this season.

  44. CB September 16th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    “I think it is somewhat severe to call the first pitch a mistake, but the case can be made it was. The second pitch seemed clearly a mistake.”

    I think the issue with the first pitch is that it’s an extremely high risk pitch but one with high reward.

    The margin for error for that firs pitch is very small. If you miss you want to miss up because if it’s even a few inches down it’s in that power zone for a LH hitter.

    That said – it’s still a good sign for Hughes to throw that pitch because it shows that he understands pitching.

    People like to talk about how pitchers today aren’t like they used be back in the old days when Bob Gibson owned the inner half. And much of the reason why that’s the case is that hitters are stronger now.

    Now if you make a mistake – even a small one inside it’s going to get crushed even by marginal guys because they are just stronger.

    That’s why so many pitchers now – especially young pitchers don’t throw inside and never establish that part of the plate. The risk is very high. That’s particularly true when you are pitching to a hitter who hits from the opposite side of the plate. Young RH pitchers are often very worried about pitching inside to LH hitters due to risk and never learn how to. That lets LH hitters own the inner half and improve their plate coverage on the outer half.

    It’s one of those learning moments. I was very glad to see Hughes try to establish both halves.

    What he hopefully and likely learned is that if you are going to try to bust a LH hitter in on his hands you better miss up rather than missing down.

    That’s not something you are going to learn in the minors. Hitters just aren’t good enough to make you pay for those small mistakes. Same thing out of the pen.

    That’s first pitch is a good example of how a young pitcher is learning and even improving in some ways even though the result itself was terrible.

  45. Pat M. September 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Wave, great points…I thought on the 1st dinger, Hughes painted the corner, but it dipped into Johnson’s wheelhouse ( knee high strike )….The second dinger, Hughes painted outside and didn’t get the call…SJ was seated behind the plate last night and said it was a 50-50 pitch….The yard shot was just drifted right down the middle of the plate begging to be launched……..Game of inches

  46. bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    What a biased piece of reporting that could only be posted by a Yankees beat writer. Just as we like to believe Derek Jeter is above taking steroids, don’t we also want to believe that he plays to the spirit of the game. The fact of the matter is that he’s so desperate to reach base – and is no longer able to do so the conventional way – that he’s now resorted to cheating. But, of course, as his name is Derek Jeter he gets a free pass. What would all you idiots be saying if was David Ortiz or Kevin Youkilis had done this. You’d be saying it demonstrated a lack of class. The Yankees captain has a new nickname – DEREK CHEATER.

  47. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Next season is the last season of Entourage.

    I think it’s only going to be 6 episodes.

    After that, I believe they are going the Sex in the City route and doing a full length movie.

  48. pat September 16th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Captain Clutch

    My comment wasn’t in regard to Phil in particular. I think he pitched well last night.

    More to the mindset that “kids” shouldn’t be counted on to contribute. At what age do they stop being “kids”? 25? 27? 29? 31? Certain players seem to get very “mothered” here.

    If they are on the 25 man roster, they should be expected to contribute no matter what age they are.

  49. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Erica,

    Turtle’s storyline was kind of silly. Carlos hires him to promote the tequila so he generates tons and tons of hype. Carlos gets mad at Turtle for selling tons of his product and says he needs $5 million to build a new factory to meet the demand Turtle created. Ok here’s Mark Cuban willing to give you $5 million. Carlos gets mad again… what the hell? It makes no sense

    The Ari storyline was equally perplexing. First his employee tapes him which is pretty unethical and threatens to release the tapes. Then oh look turns out she’s actually a nice person. So Amanda Daniels is like “I’m taking you down Ari!!” then oh look turns out she’s actually a nice person and is trying to help him. It’s just sloppy writing trying to make Ari look like the bad guy when he was reacting naturally IMO.

  50. m September 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Blake alluded to this last night. And I totally agree now. In retrospect you have Colin and Austin instead of Swisher and GGBG.

    Also, after a late night of post game traumatic therapeutic cleaning, I dreamt that Girardi got fired. That’s how irrational have been here. Please tone it down, people. You’re worming into my dream state. :mad:

  51. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Next season is the last season of Entourage.

    I think it?s only going to be 6 episodes.

    After that, I believe they are going the Sex in the City route and doing a full length movie.
    ***************

    Next season should be the last season.
    But I didn’t hear that it will only be 6 episodes.

    I think an Entourage movie is a really good idea though

  52. tcash502 September 16th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Well said Chad… If this was on fox or some other network besides ESPN it would hardly be talked about. Instead ESPN has all the evidence so let’s make this the most overblown story of the day and have every talking head we employ comment on it. Almost seems more overblown than the dropped foul tip in the Angels/White Sox playoff game a few years ago…

  53. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    SJ44,

    Yes you’re right that’s exactly the plan..

    One more thing to keep in mind – Avion, the tequila in this season, is an actual product owned by the creator of Entourage’s friend. So basically half the show this season was a big promotion for some dude.

    Sorry, didn’t mean to turn this blog into Entourage chat but it’s more interesting than questioning Derek Jeter’s integrity.

  54. CBean September 16th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    No seriously how is this even an issue. I mean, do we really expect Jeter to say no thanks, I don’t want to get on base. And then how pissed would have people been if he struck out and CGrand hit the homerun. At that point it would have been the difference between winning and tieing. Later it became moot.

    A few days back the umps made a bad call on the Ian Kinsler tag. No one expected him to say, oh no, I was out. This is not different. All this shows is that we need replay and the fact that MLB refuses to see that is stupid.

  55. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    what is the advantage to splitting lefties up? to provide a different look?

  56. CountryClub September 16th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I didn’t love the cliche of Vince becoming a druggie on Entourage this yr, but i applaud them for finally taking the show in a different direction. And i think they actually did a good job with the stroytelling. Of course, this sets up another career comeback. But as SJ said, there’s only a few episodes left, so hopefully next yr starts with him coming out of rehab.

  57. Bill D September 16th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    “Next season is the last season of Entourage”

    They’ve gone 1 too seasons already.

    Generally love HBO programming, but more than a few of the shows jumped the shark somewhere between Season 3-5.

  58. Bill D September 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    one too MANY seasons

  59. Cashman needs to go September 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Does anyone think Jeter’s down year has anything to do with him worrying about his impending baldness? :-)

    Dude has lost lots of hair from last year to now….just saying….

  60. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    m -

    OMG -

    I woke up very early this morning, realizing I had been having some sort of bad dream about the Yankees/Phil Hughes. Don’t remember details, just a feeling. Definitely needs to chill out a bit – at least I guess I do. :)

    **
    The first HR by Johnson last night was also just fair, correct? Game of inches, indeed, Pat M.

  61. clownthrowindown September 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Arod has been criticized forever for trying to maintain an “image”. But everyone believes Jeter is authentic.

  62. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Surprisingly, Billy Walsh was the most interesting character this season aside from Drama. He was criminally underused this year.

  63. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Patrick-

    LOL. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    I would like to see Drama get the girl though. Just once

  64. zippy September 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    maybe, cashman is bald and he’s an idiot

  65. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Also, I missed the post-game interviews and highlights I wanted to see, because I had no desire to watch or listen to the Rays post-game interviews so I switched the channel (and then forgot to switch back in time).

    I know they’ve done it during the playoffs and stuff, usually Francona, but since when is it becoming a regular feature on the YES post-game?????????

    Not liking it.

  66. CountryClub September 16th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Surprisingly, Billy Walsh was the most interesting character this season aside from Drama. He was criminally underused this year

    ———–

    You mean William Walsh.

  67. Andy - Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    You have to cheat to win. And you still can’t win. Yankees are a joke everywhere. Captain Perfect is Captain Pretender. Give him an academy award. Yankees are going down in flames led by Captain Disaster.

  68. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Patrick-

    Did you also notice that in all of the Tequila talk, that Turtle forgot about his chauffer business?

  69. tbone1570 September 16th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Andy – Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Stupid arrogant Yankee fans. No wonder all the bail outs went to banks and companies in New York. You all cheat your way through life. The only place your golden boy is being called a hero is here. When your team goes down in flames remember your aging super star who had to cheat to get on base.

    ———————————————————————-
    Aging Superstar? Cheating? Can you say “Big Papi”?

  70. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    I would like to see Drama get the girl though. Just once

    I hope he gets her too. He’s a pretty gross dude at times but seems like he genuinely likes her.

    I already complained about Ari and Turtle’s storylines – I think both were sloppy writing. But I actually liked Vince, Eric’s and Drama’s storylines. They were interesting although the tone of Vince’s story was totally off. Also the fact that all the storylines are so fragmented kind of ruins the whole concept of the show.

  71. zippy September 16th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    check out “big papi’s” minnesota twins rookie card when he was known as “david arias” in the twins organization. he was skinny like jeter who is still skinny, yet balding.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    This story is all over the media, even news shows on MSNBC, CNN, etc. It’s clearly a legitimate story.

    My problem with what Jeter did last night is this.

    1. There was no reason for the histrionics, faking pain and acting. The umpire said he was hit – take your base.

    2. In the post-game he should have said this IMO. “The umpire said it hit me”. (and that’s all)

  73. Crawdaddy September 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Who really gives a rat’s butt!

  74. Andy - Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Prove it. We got proof about your golden boy last night. He did it for the cameras. Only the gold is gone and he’s down on the ground instead of high in the air. The only Yankee people liked and now that’s over too. Your lucky the games with the Sox aren’t at home. We’d be there to greet your fallen hero. Derek Cheater.

  75. blake September 16th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    thank you for writing this post Chad.

  76. Andy - Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Who give’s a rat butt? Everyone but people who like cheaters.

  77. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Don’t feed the troll :evil:

  78. Crawdaddy September 16th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I don’t classify a troll like yourself as people.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I think Vince’s storyline is superb; that’s real life out here. I’m in the business and it’s no secret that many actors have drug issues. Not all of it makes it to TMZ. I also think E and Drama’s threads are good, they ring true. Turtle on the other hand seems totally contrived, there is no chemistry whatsoever between him and the girl, she’s a poor actress and no “Meadow Soprano”. He’s a support character and should remain that way. They are also overdoing the guest appearances. The Mark Cuban thing is just phony.

  80. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    andy
    don’t you have a bridge to jump off?

  81. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 16th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    In the post-game he should have said this IMO. “The umpire said it hit me”. (and that’s all)
    ________________________________________________________________________
    If he said this, the responses would have been

    a) DJ never gives a straight answer in interviews.
    b) He’s lying, because the replay clearly shows what happened, and everyone knows it. Whats with the sarcastic/snotty replay?

    Props to him for just flat out saying it didnt hit him. He finally says something worth noting in an interview and cracked a smile and everyone is up in arms about it. Its ridiculous!

  82. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Just because it’s on cable tv, doesn’t make it a “legitimate” news story.

    It’s fluff and it’s nothing except to the Red Sox troll who seems to be very upset about this.

    Which is actually a good thing! lol

  83. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    “Phil Hughes is a talented player.

    To say, “he’s not ready” to do anything more than “keep the team in the game” right now is ridiculous.

    He’s already more than that and has shown that this year.

    Andy Pettitte was 23 years old in 1996 when he helped the Yankees win a WS by coming up with big pitching performances in the post-season. ”

    SJ44-

    I agree Hughes is a talented pitcher, and you are welcome to have very high expectations of Hughes. I believe though you are likely to have them disappointed in the near term.

    Hughes has been inconsistent this year. He isn’t, right now, as good a pitcher as Andy was back in 1996. And Andy improved by leaps and bounds toward the end of 1996. I haven’t seen the same kind of improvement in Hughes. He may be as good as Andy someday, but I’d argue that day isn’t here yet.

    So, I’m perfectly happy if Phil just keeps the Yanks in the game. If he must do more than that, then I’d worry about the Yanks’ post-season prospects (well, I do worry of course, any sane fan would, but I mean worry more than I already do).

  84. RayVT September 16th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    SJ

    What’s the deal about Nevin K. Shapiro & the U?

  85. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    This whole season of Entourage comes down to whether or not Dania Ramirez is going to take off her clothes.

    If it doesn’t happen? The season’s a failure. :wink:

  86. Cashman needs to go September 16th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    zippy September 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    maybe, cashman is bald and he’s an idiot

    *****************

    I totally agree (see my sign on name) also look at Jack Z, Seattle’s GM, as bald as they come, and he has shown just how competent he is with all his decisions this year..

    the only thing i can’t understand is Theo Epstien has a full head of hair and he’s dumber than the both cash and jack put together!!

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Of course it’s a story. People are talking about it, even non-baseball people because of Jeter’s iconic stature.

    NYY 626 – Any PR consultant would have told him to say that. “The ump said it hit me”. Conjecture and speculation as to what others responses would have been are not important. Jeter has the power to end the story at that point.

  88. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Well that’s just tears it.

    No “Mother Theresa” Sainthood award for Derek Jeter.

    No Nobel prize.

    No “Medal of Freedom”.

    But he still gets to go to the HOF on the first ballot I reckon. ;)

  89. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Ray,

    He’s a guy who ran a Ponzi scheme, got busted, and is sitting in jail.

    He was a jock sniffer who partied with players and donated money to the U to be able to access with players.

    After he got busted, he reached out to some players and got rebuffed.

    Now he’s writing a supposed “tell all” book to “expose” the U…..and to help pay for his legal costs.

    He’s a worm and a lowlife.

    Typical of many down here who runs scams.

  90. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    The only objection I had to Jeter’s performance is that Granderson’s HR didn’t win the game.

  91. Andy - Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    I’d say see you in the playoffs but your team won’t be there. Mine will. Enjoy Derek Cheater’s last 15 minutes of fame. It’s in every paper and on regular news too. They think he’s a joke and a choke.

  92. RayVT September 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    SJ

    Thanks! I find it hard to believe him, at least since Butch’s years onward. Sorry the U is getting bad press over this.

  93. JM September 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Entourage started out as purely escapist entertainment. When they tried to make it more serious they kinda lost me, I have to admit. Although I did like the ending of this last episode, even if I didn’t think the episode overall was very good.

    Pretty rich that a Red Sox fan would troll a Yankee board to talk about cheating.

  94. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    MTU,

    I see you cleverly omitted Academy Award. Do you think he’s got a shot?

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Why do they allow trolls here? I thought this blog was moderated?

  96. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Anyone that has a problem with what Jeter did last night is one of two things.

    1. A person who is anti-Yankee (ie – a Red Sox fan)

    2. Stupid

  97. RayVT September 16th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Wow! Can you lay off Jeter! I am sure he was scared to death at 1st that the ball had hit his wrist! His actions appeared to be truly reflex at 1st.

    Of course Jeter being Jeter, he was too much of a gentlemant to tell the ump he was wrong, so he had to accept 1st base.

  98. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Jeers-

    He’s a lock. :)

    By the way, When is YMH going to allow me to hike again on his behalf ?

    Any idea ?

  99. SJ44 September 16th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Patrick,

    I don’t think it’s either/or.

    Andy is proof of that.

  100. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 16th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    NYY 626 – Any PR consultant would have told him to say that. “The ump said it hit me”. Conjecture and speculation as to what others responses would have been are not important. Jeter has the power to end the story at that point.
    ________________________________________________________________________
    Honestly, i think he knew he was caught and he just wanted to be honest at that point. He is a human being and got a chuckle out of it. And my point was that he get criticized a lot for always going with the safe/ vanilla/PR appropriate route. Last night he said was he was thinking and now its a story…

    But if this is the worst thing thats jeter’s done in the past 15 years, we’re pretty lucky. :P

  101. bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    Anyone that has a problem with what Jeter did last night is one of two things.

    1. A person who is anti-Yankee (ie – a Red Sox fan)

    2. Stupid

    And you’re quite clearly the latter for failing to recognize there is an alternative point of view.

  102. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    And you’re quite clearly the latter for failing to recognize there is an alternative point of view.

    A point of view that is incorrect and therefore stupid.

  103. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Obviously in 1996, Jeter should have told the umpires that it wasn’t a home run

  104. Asd September 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    This is intresting: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ons/100729 Simmons actually admits that it’s hard to care as much now that the Sox have actually won the WS. I’ve seen the Yankees win it five times in my life, and I still have awoken in sweat due to a nightmare about this years post season/world series going badly.

  105. bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    And you’re quite clearly the latter for failing to recognize there is an alternative point of view.

    A point of view that is incorrect and therefore stupid.

    A point of view cannot be incorrect. That is why it’s a point of view. Don’t further demonstrate your ignorance of the English language.

  106. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    RayVT
    I like your explanation :)

  107. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    Obviously in 1996, Jeter should have told the umpires that it wasn’t a home run
    ________________________________________________________________________
    Erica – clearly he’s been cheating his whole career. Everything i’ve ever believed is a lie :(

  108. RayVT September 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    And Jeter should have told all his fans every time he was injured or when he was dating someone else too.

  109. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    There is only one right and honorable thing for Jeter to do based on last night’s transgression.

    He must immediately and without hestitation throw himself in front of a moving train.

    Nothing else will do.

    Goodbye Derek, and thanks for the memories.

    Just for the record, I would like to say that the “flip toss” might have been one of the greatest plays I have ever been priviledged to witness but no matter snuff yourself.

  110. RayVT September 16th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    LOL! Thanks Kate!!!

  111. Vineyard Yankee September 16th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    September 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Why do they allow trolls here ? I thought this blog was moderated ?

    ====================

    That is Aldo in DRAG ! He’s in the ‘bottle’ again early today.

  112. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    A point of view cannot be incorrect. That is why it?s a point of view. Don?t further demonstrate your ignorance of the English language.
    ************

    If we want to talk about ignorance of the English language, your post at 2:50 proves you don’t know how to properly use a comma. And nothing else.

  113. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Apparently Kevin Kennedy is saying the Jeter’s play last night is evidence that baseball clearly needs a challenge system.

    I think baseball does need one, but I have to wonder, in Kennedy’s case, if he’d say anything if it wasn’t Jeter (or any Yankee, for that matter)?

    This whole t hing seems to bother people more than it should.

    Anything Yankees is overblown and overexposed and overanalyzed.

    Nobody seemed so up in arms the other night (and I don’t mean Yankees fans, but the general public) when Ian Kinsler was called safe at second base even thought Jeter tagged him twice. No one was calling for a challenge system after that play.

    I wonder what the exact thing is that pushes people’s buttons? There is apparently acceptable failure and non-acceptable failure. Missing a tag (or non-tag) play is acceptable (except if it costs a no-hitter/perfect game). Accepting first base when the umpire says you were hit even though you weren’t isn’t?

  114. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Ok well your opinion of this entire situation is stupid. Incorrect was the wrong word, you’re right. But your point of view, opinion, interpretation, whatever, is stupid and that’s it. Jeter did nothing wrong.

  115. Andy - Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    I take it back. Not all New Yorkers are cheaters. Smart New Yorkers didn’t like it. They just don’t hang here. Good bye cheaters. Keep up the losing.

  116. Cashman needs to go September 16th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Speaking of Jeter and him being honest by telling the umpire the truth – wasn’t there a basketball player that played a few years ago or more that was known as being so honest that the ref asked him once if he had stepped out of bounds and he told him yes…

  117. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Doreen-

    Uh oh… you just crossed a very fine line….

  118. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    this is all part of Jeter’s devilish plan to divert questions about the team’s recent losses and give the fans and media something else to talk about

  119. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    this is all part of Jeter?s devilish plan to divert questions about the team?s recent losses and give the fans and media something else to talk about
    ****************

    Wrong.

    This is all Minka Kelly’s plan toward’s World Domination

  120. Jason Voorhees September 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Keep up the losing? You mean 6.5 games out of first?

    Yes, please keep that up.

  121. Chambliss September 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    This thing with Jeter and the phantom HBP is such a non-issue. Anyone watch the World Cup? Every two minutes a player falls to the ground. Often times the player appears to be in agony, but he typically gets up seconds later somehow miraculously healed!! who knew??

    Baseball players fake all sorts of things, sometimes to fool each other and sometimes to fool the umps. Part of the game. And now back to our regularly schedule bridge jumping…

  122. RSM September 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Maybe Jeter is preparing for life after baseball.
    Practicing his acting.

  123. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Erica -

    What did I say?

  124. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    I’ve been considering going to Fenway for a game in the last series.

    I think that moron above just convinced me to do it. Full battle dress (cap and jersey), 200 honey-lemon throat lozenges and a boatload of beer money is all I need.

    By the way, based on secondary market tix prices, Sox fans don’t believe those games will be meaningful.

    MTU,

    Polish up those boots and stock up on granola bars this weekend. Keep the brews to a minimum on Tues night because on Wed you should be hiking. :smile:

  125. 108 stitches September 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    If Yankee envy were a terminal disease, cemeteries north of Waterbury, Conn. would have no more burial plots to sell.

  126. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Vineyard Yankee! Good to see you – there you have a great Yankee fan!

  127. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    This Jeter discussion isn’t that interesting because the oppositionists aren’t here to spice things up.

  128. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Jeers-

    That’s good to know.

    I’m getting a little antsy waiting for CC’s 20th, and Phil’s next win.

    I have spectacular tributes prepared for both events.

    Can’t wait to share them. :)

  129. Pat Mc in CT September 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Great post, Chad. This is the topic du jour in the NY Times “Bats” blog today where Red Sox nation, Rays, and Mets fans wasted no time contributing to this overblown fuss.

  130. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Erica
    was the Minka Kelly talk part of the craziness last night? I just didn’t have the desire to read thru whatever went on, even w/ SJ describing it as the craziest ever.

  131. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    I think jeter was just bored of always being so perfect, its almost like he’s purposely acting out by going through his “teenage rebellion” at 36! ( please file this under: ridiculous jeter conspiracies)

  132. JM September 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    # Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    This Jeter discussion isn’t that interesting because the oppositionists aren’t here to spice things up.
    ___________________________

    Be careful what you wish for. ;)

  133. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Doreen-

    It sounded like a conspiracy

  134. bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    A point of view cannot be incorrect. That is why it?s a point of view. Don?t further demonstrate your ignorance of the English language.
    ************

    If we want to talk about ignorance of the English language, your post at 2:50 proves you don’t know how to properly use a comma. And nothing else.

    It was perfectly punctuated, you brainless, doltish, dumb, puerile, shortsighted, simple, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, witless little woman. Enough commas for you there?

  135. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    Erica
    was the Minka Kelly talk part of the craziness last night? I just didn?t have the desire to read thru whatever went on, even w/ SJ describing it as the craziest ever.

    ********

    Yes. Its been questioned whether she is a terrible influence on him

  136. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    bruceb,

    You are a moron.

  137. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    It was perfectly punctuated, you brainless, doltish, dumb, puerile, shortsighted, simple, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, witless little woman. Enough commas for you there?

    ******************

    Haha. You had plenty of commas, but some improper usage (again).

    Got any other insults for me or have you exhausted your vocabularly?

  138. zippy September 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    players in the NBA and NHL embellish stuff all the time. hopefully that came up on sports talk shows today.

  139. RSM September 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I sure hope this doesn’t kill Jester’s HOF chances.
    ;)

  140. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Erica -

    Oh. No. That’s wasn’t what I was trying to say. I just don’t watch enough games of teams other than the Yankees to use examples from other games, aside from the game where the guy lost a no-hitter on a poor umpiring call.

    No. No. No conspiracy.

    Just wondering what/how bad the transgression has to be, or who has to be involved, or what game situation is in play, in order for someone’s buttons to be pushed to make it the “model play” to get instant replay or challenges.

  141. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    “Yes. Its been questioned whether she is a terrible influence on him”

    I’m not sure the Minka theorists were all that serious…

  142. JM September 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Perhaps the cheater Jeter is a terrible influence on HER. :)

  143. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    my guess is that some of them were

  144. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    Erica
    was the Minka Kelly talk part of the craziness last night? I just didn?t have the desire to read thru whatever went on, even w/ SJ describing it as the craziest ever.

    ********

    Yes. Its been questioned whether she is a terrible influence on him

    *************

    And it’s been said that if more than one person says it, it must be valid in some way. ;)

  145. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    upstate kate -

    Some of them definitely were/are.

  146. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 16th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Jeter dating minka further fuels my “teenage rebellion” theory. ( you know, cause he’s 15 in baseball years). He’s hanging out with the wrong crowd. Im worried about him :(

  147. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    I wonder if those that spend an inordinate amount of time on a sports blog insulting others have any idea of how childish they appear.

  148. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Whever the “Morality Police” come to your town it’s time to head for the hills bringing with you all the alchohol, mind-altering substances, and condoms you can possibly carry.

    And don’t forget your “Mad” magazines for the in-between times. :)

  149. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    What’s wrong with Minka Kelly?

  150. bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    bruceb,

    You are a moron.

    You’re definition of “moron” is clearly someone who has a different viewpoint to your own.

    You and Erica should start your own blog and call it something like “Derek Cheater Is Innocent” or “Don’t You Dare Criticize My Yankees.” Nothing I’ve ever seen posted by either of you is worth reading.

  151. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    I’ll second that. What’s wrong with Minka Kelly. She’s even great with autistic kids, wait, that’s just a TV show. :)

  152. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    That’s “whenever”. sorry. my gillionth typo. a new world’s record.

  153. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    bruceb,

    You are a moron.

    You?re definition of ?moron? is clearly someone who has a different viewpoint to your own.

    You and Erica should start your own blog and call it something like ?Derek Cheater Is Innocent? or ?Don?t You Dare Criticize My Yankees.? Nothing I?ve ever seen posted by either of you is worth reading.
    ***************

    Hmmm… You state nothing I write is worth reading. Yet you read and respond to it.

  154. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    What?s wrong with Minka Kelly?
    *************

    Nothing in my opinion. I think she is adorible

    To see what I am talking about you can go back to last night’s chaos just after midnight

  155. pat September 16th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    SJ inspired me to go back and look at the blogs reaction to Alex’s HA play by saying he had never seen anything like last night. The posts were pretty similiar to last nights. I also noticed a few other things……

    1. Some of us have been posting here a VERY long time

    2. Someone needs to contact Pollyanna Porkchop Plough and make her/him post again

    3. The Yankees were going through a very rough patch at the time and starting pitchers and players were out hurt and taking cortisone shots. It sounded familiar.

  156. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    bruceb,

    Your viewpoint is based on either bias, or incorrect conclusions due to faulty logic. If you let either of these things effect your viewpoint (intentionally or not) then you are a moron. It’s pretty simple.

    Erica and I have been posting on this blog for years and this is the first time I’ve seen your name here. Once again you display bad logic. We haven’t posted anything worthwhile in the last day or so therefore we are bad posters. That makes no sense and is further indictment that you are a complete moron.

  157. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “Apparently Kevin Kennedy is saying the Jeter’s play last night is evidence that baseball clearly needs a challenge system.

    I think baseball does need one, but I have to wonder, in Kennedy’s case, if he’d say anything if it wasn’t Jeter (or any Yankee, for that matter)?

    This whole t hing seems to bother people more than it should.

    Anything Yankees is overblown and overexposed and overanalyzed.

    Nobody seemed so up in arms the other night (and I don’t mean Yankees fans, but the general public) when Ian Kinsler was called safe at second base even thought Jeter tagged him twice. No one was calling for a challenge system after that play.

    I wonder what the exact thing is that pushes people’s buttons?”

    Correct, correct, correct, correct, correct. And to answer your question about what pushes’ people’s buttons and what makes people tick……

    Answer: Everything in sports centers around New York, everything in baseball centers around either a love or hate of the Yankees.

    And Im not saying the umpires, ONLY THE MEDIA, but they are all clearly anti New York. And many of you including SJ44 have noted that.

    For that reason, I didnt even watch the last 2 and a half games against the Rays with any volume. I couldnt hear them for another 6+ hours.

  158. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    pat-

    I still think that night the ball dropped in Toronto was a MAJOR turning point of that season

    (I was not a poster then)

  159. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Nothing in my opinion. I think she is adorible

    ACCORDING TO MY DICTIONARY YOU MISSPELLED “ADORABLE,” YOU PUERILE LITTLE WOMAN!!

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  161. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    pat -

    The more things change, the more they stay the same…

    And yes, some of us have been here far far too long!!!! :lol:

  162. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    bruceb September 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    It was perfectly punctuated, you brainless,……

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    There shouldn’t be a comma between “punctuated” and “you”

    You might have been able to end the sentence after “punctuated” and then started a new sentence but unfortunately there’s no verb in the second part.

    Also, you shouldn’t end your last sentence with a preposition.

    Just sayin’

  163. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

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    Game-ending plays are the prime example of the need for instant replay.

    Kevin Red Sox Kennedy whining about a missed call on a HBP is more laughable than me! That happens all the time in baseball, and the play didnt even hurt them in the end.

  164. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    Nothing in my opinion. I think she is adorible

    ?

    ACCORDING TO MY DICTIONARY YOU MISSPELLED ?ADORABLE,? YOU PUERILE LITTLE WOMAN!!
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    LOL. Someone as brainless, puerile, dumb, unintelligent, etc.. as me should just be grateful I can manage the smarts to put one foot in front of the other daily. You want correct spelling too?

  165. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Erica -

    I’m sorry. I see what I wrought.

  166. Cashman needs to go September 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Speaking of moron….i’m sure you all know that an IQ test actually labels the level of intelligence by name (since, you know, we’re all geniuses on here) so calling someone a moron actually has a spot on the IQ scale…

    in case you weren’t aware here it is:

    140 and over Genius or near genius
    120-140 Very superior intelligence
    110-120 Superior intelligence
    90-110 Normal or average intelligence
    80-90 Dullness/average
    70-80 Borderline deficiency
    50-69 Moron
    20-49 Imbecile
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    so I guess its better to be called a moron that an imbecile or idiot….

  167. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Doreen – You didnt “wrought” anything besides the truth, you piece of …… …. ……. :)

  168. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    so anyway…how about that Golson play…gotta feel happy for the kid!!!

  169. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 16th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

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  170. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

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    “Conjunction Junction” was always my favorite. It’s got some soul to it!

  171. UnKnown September 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Amazing how awesome Jeter has been. Playing in sports largest media market on and off the field somehow (I am not sure how by the way) he has managed to stay squeaky clean. Always doing the right thing and never being in the news for something bad. SI Sportsmen of the year and all. Now this one play and some people who have been salavating for anything just any sort of dirt on Jeter are going to try their hardest to make it stick. To those people I say GET A LIFE!!!!

    Jeter is the Man!
    Go Yanks!!

  172. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

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  173. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    UnKnown September 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Even Yankees fans will go against them. SICK! Instead of being held to a higher standard, he should be given the most rope. I wouldnt even mind if Jeter committed a violent crime, Id say that Jeter was justified.

  174. JCPD September 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

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    bruceb,

    You are a moron.

    You’re definition of “moron” is clearly someone who has a different viewpoint to your own.

    You and Erica should start your own blog and call it something like “Derek Cheater Is Innocent” or “Don’t You Dare Criticize My Yankees.” Nothing I’ve ever seen posted by either of you is worth reading.

    ——————————————-

    OK, I’ll bite and chime in….
    if nothing ever posted by Patrick or Erica is worth reading, then Patrick IS correct…… you are a moron for continuing to read what they post.

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  176. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Even Yankees fans will go against them. SICK! Instead of being held to a higher standard, he should be given the most rope. I wouldnt even mind if Jeter committed a violent crime, Id say that Jeter was justified.

    What if A-rod botched a groundball and Jeter pulls out a handgun on the field and shoots him in the face right then. A conundrum! Side with A-rod or Jeter.

  177. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

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    You keep this place sane. Onward and upward.

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  179. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Patrick – LOL! If Jeter does that same thing you described to a Red Sox, Id say it was self-defense, even if it wasnt. Do you think I care what Lawrence Taylor is accused of? I used to know LT personally, and he is one of my NYG heros. I dont care what he’s accused of, he’s still a great man and a great role model imo!

    Good luck to the Eagles this year. Hope Kolb comes back healthy for you guys.

  180. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Jeers,

    I think you are younger than my sons because that show was on after they would have stopped watching kids shows.

    By the way, you’re OK by me even if you are a mere kid.

  181. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    CR9,

    Thanks, I appreciate it. I’m surprised though that you are so gracious towards the Eagles and their fans. Shouldn’t you hate them as much as Boston fans/players? Especially if you are a Giants fan.

  182. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    What if A-rod botched a groundball and Jeter pulls out a handgun on the field and shoots him in the face right then. A conundrum! Side with A-rod or Jeter.

    ————————————————————————————————-

    Totally depends on who has the higher OPS+ at the time of the shooting.

  183. Vineyard Yankee September 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

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    =================

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  184. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Patrick – I should, as a Giants fan, dislike the Eagles and ‘Boys and ‘Skins. But I only have so much hate in my sick mind to go around, so I limit my hatred towards Boston athletes and fans.

  185. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Bottoms up Vineyard! How about the endless posting of personal insults here? Look familiar? lol

  186. Patrick September 16th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    CR9,

    Fair enough. I can’t fault you for concentrating your dislike on the Hated Red Sox and their fans.

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  188. clownthrowindown September 16th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

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    Stupid arrogant Yankee fans. No wonder all the bail outs went to banks and companies in New York. You all cheat your way through life. The only place your golden boy is being called a hero is here. When your team goes down in flames remember your aging super star who had to cheat to get on base.

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    Can you say “Pettitte”?

  189. Willis September 16th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I must say I am rather surprised at the number of posts today from Red Sox trolls..
    I would think their time would be better spent trying to smuggle papi a Dominican milk shake…..

  190. blackaccord September 16th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

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