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Yankees preliminary 2011 schedule

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The Yankees announced their preliminary 2011 schedule yesterday. Here it is, thanks to a combination of the Yankees PR staff and our friend Jeff the Tech Guy.

2011-NYY-Preliminary-Schedule

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  1. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Nice job Jeff the Tech Guy

    Yankees in Wrigley next year…. sounds good!

  2. hkellogg September 16th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    will the yankees ever end the regular season at home ? they have ended it on the road the past 4 years

  3. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Sorry…I got lost on the way here to this new “thread”. I was looking for “THRAD” and missed the turn in the road.

  4. Jerkface September 16th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    westcoast trip late in the year :( Atleast sandwiched by 2 offdays.

    Also there are some BRUTAL moments next year, but also a lot of nice spots. I’m still mixed. Why can’t the yankees finish at home?

    “How about that acting job by Posada a while back when he tagged the runner w/o even having the ball in his glove.”

    Trisha hates Posada, so this was expected from him.

  5. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Is it too early to complain about next September’s schedule?

  6. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    GB-

    You ought to know what a “Thrad” is.

    You’re from the South. :)

  7. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    Sorry…I got lost on the way here to this new “thread”. I was looking for “THRAD” and missed the turn in the road.
    *****************

    LOL.. wiseguy

  8. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    Is it too early to complain about next September’s schedule?
    **************

    Yes.
    But I admit when I saw it, some select words formed in my head.

    There’s a whole year to worry about before then!

  9. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Good people here tonight.

    One of my pet peeves is teams from the North having long homestands at the very beginning of April.
    =========================
    GB,

    I am catching the typo, spelling bit from you.

  10. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Jeers
    I am not sure the complaining about this year is finished!

  11. blake September 16th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    I don’t know how I can raise children in a world where Derek Jeter deceived an umpire…..

  12. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    So if I read next year’s schedule right It looks like CC pitches the opener against the striped ones, and then there a day off with Cliff Lee pitching the second game.

    Sounds good to me. :)

  13. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    yes I agree SAS…at least the Texas trip is in early May

  14. bobshantz September 16th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    I know I’m in the minority, but I don’t like the unbalanced schedule or inter-league play.

  15. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Blake,

    It will be tough, but somebody has to do it.

  16. blake September 16th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    MTU,

    Yes, but the Sox will miss both CC and Lee in their first series most likely…conspiracy?

  17. Zach S September 16th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Why do they give off days in the middle of series?

  18. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    yes Blake, the words WWJD (what would Jeter do) now have new meaning

  19. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Trenton start time is now set at 7:45 PM.

  20. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    BobShantz,

    You may be in the minority, but it is not a minority of one…I agree.

  21. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    I don’t like either interleague play or the unbalanced schedule…I feel like there is a whole world of baseball players I barely know…and some I am way too familiar with

  22. blake September 16th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Lost in all the Jeter discussion was the fact that it was a crappy pitch by Qualls and should have hit him even if it didn’t.

    They just showed Kenny Rogers from the 2006 playoffs when he had that gob of pine tar on his hand while pitching….awesome.

  23. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    SAS September 16th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    Good people here tonight.

    One of my pet peeves is teams from the North having long homestands at the very beginning of April.
    =========================
    GB,

    I am catching the typo, spelling bit from you.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s a scary time when I become “The Gold Standard” for spelling on the internet.

  24. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Blake-

    Yup. Total conspiracy. At least they have to face one of them.

  25. pat September 16th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    That is the weirdest April schedule ever. 19 at home, 8 away and 4 days off including 2 wrapped around a 2 day Toronto trip.

    19 home games in April might mean the return of Ninja Robbie.

  26. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Jeter made the NBC Nightly News….nothing more important is happening in this country or the world….we should all be grateful for that.

  27. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    SAS-

    In addition to the Jeter story did they have the feature on how the World is running out of toothpicks ?

    They’re usually right on top of things at the Noodle channels.

  28. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Erin would enjoy the return of Ninja Robbie

  29. tyanksfan36 September 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    I think the best Posada dupe was when he tagged himself and not the runner and still got the call. See, he is a good catcher. I am a big Posada fan so I was being serious there. The tag with the ball in the other hand was good too.

  30. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Only one trip to Oakland; I’m complaining.

  31. Drive 4-6 September 16th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    I’m glad the Yankee organization are optimists. I just received an e-mail about the season ticket holders’ pre-sale for playoff tickets. Hanging from my bulletin board near my desk I’m staring at my unused ’09 World Series Game 7 ticket. It would have been fun, but I was never so happy to see a game not happen.

    Here in MA the Sox fans are chirping a bit. They are really enjoying the Derek “scandal”. I’ve had to remind them that a few years ago mlb made the Red Sox take the tv monitors out of their bullpen. Seems the occupants were suspected of relaying signs.

  32. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    The “Jeter cheating play” whining is getting more and more stupid and out of hand.

    All I see is Jeter behaving as he always has…above board. That’s why he has the utmost respect of the umpires….he never argues with the umpires over their calls. They said the ball hit him and he didn’t want to show up the umpires by bringing the missed call to their attention in front of TV audiences and 30,000 fans in the stands.

  33. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    SAS, I just got a couple of magazines. My mother read “The Help”, but I’ve no interest in that. I usually read historical fiction or biographies.

  34. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Yanks at Wrigley is awesome but you know it’s going to be a fortune to get a ticket.

    I’d happily go to Cincinnati though. I’ve heard good things about that field. Supposed to be a great American ball park.

    Not too many of those left right? :wink:

  35. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    CB,

    Are you around?

  36. Eric UWS September 16th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Of course we finish on the road, where else would we finish?

  37. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I hate to complain about the schedule, but that sucks because with mostly home games in April, the rest of the schedule looks to be brutal. Oh well……..I’m not going to bother thinking about it; I have enough worry on my plate now to bother worrying about next year.

  38. blake September 16th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    The Yankees are going to be so good next year that the schedule doesn’t matter…….

  39. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    I’m completely avoiding any articles or blog posts or whatever about Jeter’s play because it’s insanity. If Jayson Starks and his cohorts want to whine, they can have all the cheese in the world to go with that.

  40. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    I generally think that if you’re a good team, you’ll win – no matter the schedule.

  41. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Nick,

    What’s up with the A’s moving to San Jose? Is that really going to happen?

  42. YankFanCA September 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Betsy — you worry?? No, I refuse to believe it.

  43. The Other Phil September 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    That whole schedule is brutal. 17 in a row April into May, 13 in a row before and after the ASB, 2 off days in Aug leading to 15 in a row into Sept.
    And end on the road. AGAIN. Sheesh.

  44. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    I hate to complain about the schedule, but that sucks because with mostly home games in April, the rest of the schedule looks to be brutal. Oh well……..I’m not going to bother thinking about it; I have enough worry on my plate now to bother worrying about next year.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    What’s on your plate, Betsy? A bunch of that nasty, foul-tasting liver and vegetables? Don’t feed it to the dog….you’ll be arrested for cruelty to animals.

  45. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Aww…..

    DAVIDprice14
    .Haha thank you all for the cy young confidence but I think CC is a little more deserving than I…
    2:49 PM Sep 14th via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    I may now love David Price.

  46. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Jeers-

    I heard their a special drawing to win Wrigley seats.

    Their gonna hide two homeplate tickets somewhere in the Ivy. They draw who gets to find them.

    Each person has 1 hour.

    There will be six potential winners.

    If no one finds the tickets they are raffled off and the proceeds go to charity.

  47. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Oh no, GB – I had chicken meatballs in tomato sauce with vegetables in that same sauce with lovely chunks of garlic. Delish!

  48. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Bronx Jeers, what have you heard??? Something recent?

    The last info I’ve had is that San Jose is part of the Giants’ exclusive territory or some such crap. The A’s had a tenative plan/hope to move to Fremont, which is south of Oakland and as close as they could get to San Jose without encroaching on the Giants’ rights, but thus far that hasn’t really gone anywhere.

  49. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Trenton game is rained out…rescheduled for tomorrow.

  50. blake September 16th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    “I may now love David Price.”

    I know…He’s going to look good in pinstripes in a few years…maybe around 2013. He’s a good kid in addition to a great talent….kinda like CC.

  51. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Wrigley is beautiful……………..

  52. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Betsy
    When they interviewed Price for the post game and asked him about the Cy Young, he said CC w/ not a bit of hesitation. I know you don’t like Maddon, but he also had high praise for CC, said his pitchers could learn from him

  53. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Two trips to Seattle AGAIN…

    May Montero hit mighty blasts that land in Issaquaw and Snoqualmie.

  54. pat September 16th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    “I don?t know how I can raise children in a world where Derek Jeter deceived an umpire?..”

    The kids said it was the topic of conversation in their grammar school today and my 8 year old asked me if what he did was right or wrong.

    I went with the sometimes adults are allowed to do things kids aren’t allowed to do angle. I don’t need her taking a flop during a game and having the parents of the other team booing her.

  55. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Kate-

    The only thing I want TB to learn from CC is how it feels to lose. ;)

  56. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Blake, ha ha – I don’t think so.

    He seems like a good kid, but I’ve no idea; I just appreciated his comment about CC

  57. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Kate, I don’t spend any time thinking about Maddon. I thought his walking Tex to get to Alex last year was ridiculous, but it’s not like I’ve thought about that in months. I loved his comment about Jeter – I didn’t hear what he said about CC.

  58. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    MTU,

    Cincinnati is a wonderful city. I have spent tons of time there. Their ball parks are right on the Ohio River. I don’t quite get why they need another new one though. Oakland and Tampa new them…Cincy got it. The Pittsburgh stadium is also beautiful right on the river.

  59. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Next year, Montero and Rodriguez are going to knock homers back to back out of The Safeway Dome all the way to Snohomish County.

  60. blake September 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Betsy,

    I was half kidding but half serious. If he continues the way he’s going then he’s the exact kind of guy the Yankees would go after hard if he were to hit the market and he plays for an organization that at least currently can’t pay him….hard throwing lefty under 30. Long way down the road though……….

  61. CB September 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    LGY-

    What’s up?

  62. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    MTU
    I am looking forward to the CC Price rematch at YS, w/ a W for CC this time…all that work for a ND, its just not right

    Nick
    I heard the San Jose comment earlier today on XM, didn’t really pay attention to any details tho…sorry

  63. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Blake, right now I’m hoping and praying that our kids turn out to be ok. It’s hard watching young pitchers develop……….

  64. SAS September 16th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    pat,

    Jeter didn’t do anything. It was the Ump who awarded him 1st base.

  65. blake September 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    “It’s hard watching young pitchers develop……….”

    Yea, its fun too though in a way.

  66. tyanksfan36 September 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Uspstate Kate

    David Price also made a twitter post that he thought CC was more deserving of the Cy Young. I think, he feels he could get it but that CC has been around longer and deserves it again. I like price and I think he is def Cy Young worthy

  67. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    I’m coming to the conclusion that there will never be a perfect scheduled. “It is what it is.” But I do HATE 4-game series. Have I said that enough??? :lol:

    BUT – they do play Baltimore on two weekends in Baltimore next season; the Cubs is a weekend series, too. I look at the schedule for travel possibilities. :)

  68. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Also my brother lives outside of Cincinnati, so even though it’s during the week, that’s a travel possibility, too. :)

  69. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    SAS-
    Never did anything more than pass thru those places on my way to the West.

    Me, bugs, and humidity just don’t get along at all. I don’t care how good the BP is.

    The sight of Joba and those midges turned me off permanently to those areas. :)

  70. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Appropos of nothing, it stinks when you have a great word in Scrabble, but it doesn’t fit anywhere on the board!!

  71. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    pat September 16th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    “I don?t know how I can raise children in a world where Derek Jeter deceived an umpire?..”

    The kids said it was the topic of conversation in their grammar school today and my 8 year old asked me if what he did was right or wrong.

    I went with the sometimes adults are allowed to do things kids aren’t allowed to do angle. I don’t need her taking a flop during a game and having the parents of the other team booing her.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s like I said earlier, pat. Jeter is not the type to question those people of authority, nor is he the type to bring other folk mistake up infront of others. It’s a great lesson for all kids (and adults) to follow and learn from.

  72. Bronx Jeers September 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    MTU,

    Is that true or is that “Shutter Island” talk? If it’s true that’s pretty cool. How samll do they make weedwackers these days?

    Nick,

    I thought I read there was a deal in the works between all the interested parties. Maybe it died on the vine. I hope it did.

    But doesn’t it make more sense for the Giants to let them move out of Oakland? Is San Jose bigger than Oakland?

    I always think in terms of public transportation so to me San Jose is kaput.

  73. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Kate-

    I would love to see that.

    In fact, I would love to see it multiple times. :)

  74. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    so GB are you saying we shouldn’t mention your spelling mistakes :)

  75. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    tyyanksfan36 -

    I think CC is very deserving of the Cy Young this season, but if David Price got it, how could anyone argue with that?

  76. upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    ok, now besides being cold and raining, it is cold, dark and raining…however my poochie-pie is patiently waiting for her walk

  77. GreenBeret7 September 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    upstate kate September 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    so GB are you saying we shouldn’t mention your spelling mistakes

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Exactly. Be like jeter and call the mistake maker aside in private and explain to them the error of their ways.

  78. tyanksfan36 September 16th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Doreen

    I agree, David Price is an excellent pitcher. He proved himself in the postseason in 2008 that he could pitch under pressure. He put up zeroes against CC. I don’t think anyone could complain that he isn’t deserving.

  79. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    San Jose has a bigger population than San Francisco, probably Oakland too. They would be losing a lot of their East Bay fans — maybe even all three of them! — if they moved down to San Jose.

    I would much rather go to a game in Oakland than trudge all the way down to San Jose, and YES, I know the way to San Jose.

    But I guess pleasing fans who only go to Yankee games isn’t their primary objective. :?

  80. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    CB,

    You were talking about the Baseball Reference WAR adjustment yesterday and from even the “advanced stats” argument, I believe is how you phrased it, that now CC is above Felix.

    I remembered a few weeks ago that you said Felix has been the best pitcher in baseball this year.

    Do you still think that Felix has been the best or did baseball reference adjustment change your mind at all?

  81. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    I dont believe it. The Red Sox will most likely get to face our 3, 4 and 5 next season in the first series, effectively missing CC and perhaps Lee if we get him. Heh heh heh, what a joke.

  82. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Wrigley is full of pigeon poop!

    It is not beautiful. It is historic, iconic, whatever. But it is not beautiful. :)

  83. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    It’s simply stunning. No matter what it is, this league and every sports league will find a way to put my teams at a disadvantage….

    oh well, there is no sense in worrying about next season when we still have 2 months this season to worry about.

    Let’s take care of the Orioles beginning Friday.

  84. Drive 4-6 September 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    To me, there’s nothing that says “summer” like a Saturday at the ballpark. It’s going to be strange only enjoying that feeling 4 times next year between July 4th and Labor Day weekend. I may have to actually get some projects done around that house that I’ve been procrastinating on. I hate this schedule maker! A pox on them them!

  85. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    “It is not beautiful. It is historic, iconic, whatever. But it is not beautiful.” What an absolute ridiculous statement ….. I bet the same person who made this comment thinks that dump Fenway Field is beautiful. What a joke. Absolute joke. Filthy despicable joke.

  86. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Sorry Doreen, I disagree. I thought it was one of the most beautiful parks I’d been in – maybe the most beautiful.

  87. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Disclaimer:

    We went to Wrigley in April and the ivy was not in yet, so it was full of dead branches on brick walls.

    However, the seats were dirty and full of pigeon poop, and the ushers were not friendly, wlhich is odd, since it was known as the ‘friendly confines,” No?

  88. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Um, I said it and I stand by it and I don’t care if you think it’s ridiculous. Yes, I think Fenway is terrific…………….there.

  89. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Good night all. The season gets back on track tomorrow night. The beginning of the charge to number 28.

  90. tyanksfan36 September 16th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    We were talking at work about it and my manager said something about a lady calling in saying her son saw it and said made up some bull, if jeter did it does that mean I can too? I think the whole thing was blown out of proportion because of who did it. The big thing to realize is that its just a game. If you believe he cheated, that’s fine. But who doesn’t cheat when they play games. I know when I don’t want someone to sink my battleship, I move it. Or when I am playing solitaire and I don’t like what I’m getting, ill flip 2 cards instead of 3. Everyone cheats when they play games and if you say you don’t then you’re lying. He didn’t steal from an old lady or cheat on his girlfriend. He just moved his battleship so he wouldn’t get sunk and he got caught. It happens to the best of us.

  91. CR9 September 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Betsy – Did you make this comment ““It is not beautiful. It is historic, iconic, whatever. But it is not beautiful.”???? No, so I wasn’t referring to you.

  92. blake September 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Someone tells you that you can have either David Price or Felix Hernandez for the next 10 years….who you takin?

  93. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    CR, I thought you were referring to my comment about Wrigley…sorry!

  94. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Neither………….I want our rotation to be filled to the brim so that we don’t have to trade for either one! However, if forced to choose, I’d go with Price because he’s doing it in the AL East.

  95. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Jeers-

    Unfortunately, the former.

    Pretty cool fantasy though I thought.

    Could you imagine what the Ivy would look like with crazed fans looking for free tickets.

    Might lead to a lot more head injuries for Cubs OF’ers. They would never allow it. :)

  96. Drive 4-6 September 16th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    blake,

    I vote for David Price here. He’s a lefty and that’s always a good thing in the Stadium.

  97. blake September 16th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Betsy,

    Not necceasarily talking about for the yankees…just in general.

  98. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Ah, got it. I’d still go with Price……………….

  99. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Blake-

    That’s too easy. Always got to go with the Lefty, especially at NYS. ;)

  100. CB September 16th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    “Do you still think that Felix has been the best or did baseball reference adjustment change your mind at all?”

    I do and the main reason why I say that is that CC got off to a bit of a slow start relatively speaking where as Felix has been really good from the start of the season.

    That said – it’s still way too early to make any decisions on post season awards. This is especially true of Cy Young. Pitchers only make 32-35 starts. 4-5 starts is a significant proportion of their season.

    As an example – CC just went out and threw an absolute gem against the rays where as Felix got bombed against the lowly Angels. Things are still in flux and you can’t make decisions yet. If CC keeps pitching the way he did against the Rays then that’s going to go a long way.

    One way in which it has changed my thinking however is that I was under the impression that Baseball Reference had already adjusted the way they were doing park factors. So it was my understanding that the numbers were already updated and adjusted. That was not the case. So that does make me rethink aspects of Felix and CC’s relative performance.

    When you watch Felix he is just amazing. But at the same time it is really true that the ball park he plays in really does depress runs. You can’t really take that into account in a systematic way when you watch the game. You really do need mathematical tools to provide that information. So that has and will make me rethink the subject.

    On the whole though – and I think I wrote this before – while I did think Felix had been the best up to that point in the season, in no way at all did I think CC was a “bad” choice or unreasonable choice in any way.

    Fangraphs WAR is the one where there was a large differential between the two and I’ve never thought that was a valid construct.

    And on the whole the difference in WAR between CC and Felix on BB-Ref even before the park factor readjustment wasn’t big enough to be taken very seriously. These are not numbers whose precision is such that .4 WAR or .6 war definitively makes you better.

    What was really off base on this debate was people saying that Felix had to be the winner this year as if it were a mathematical truth. That was ridiculous.

    Rob Neyer today wrote a piece about the divergence between BB-Ref and Fangraphs WAR and he said something to the effect that it was fine to have disagreement because it “funny the way science works.”

    I just couldn’t believe that statement. The idea that this is science is absurd. If Neyer actually believes that he has no clue what so ever about what real science is. Quantifying something in no way is the same as making it “science.”

  101. Erica in NY September 16th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    Appropos of nothing, it stinks when you have a great word in Scrabble, but it doesn’t fit anywhere on the board!!
    ********************

    I HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:

  102. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Erica-

    That hasn’t put you into a swoon has it ? ;)

  103. CB September 16th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    “Someone tells you that you can have either David Price or Felix Hernandez for the next 10 years….who you takin?”

    Felix is the better pitcher and much more well rounded, multi-dimensional and balanced at this time.

    That said, I think I’d take Price because he’s left handed. Left handers are gold, especially at Yankee stadium. And a left hander with an 80 fastball is something you can wait generations to find.

    The only guys comparable to him that I can think of are Randy Johnson and Brien Taylor (and Taylor probably had a better arm….)

    Price has one of the best left handed fastball’s the game has seen over the past 40 years. It’s just so rare. He has such a fast arm.

    When he develops his secondary pitches some more I really don’t see how he’s going to get hit.

  104. Doreen September 16th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Erica -

    :lol:

    (And you end up having to play a piddly little word for no points!!!)

  105. tyanksfan36 September 16th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

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  106. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    CB,

    Thanks.

    The thing I assume the argument people will make for Felix in the face of that, is while Seattle suppresses runs so much that he still has fantastic numbers on the road.

    Do you think that factors into the debate?

  107. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    I would take Price as well for the various reasons mentioned above.

    Also, I am a bit concerned about the amount of innings Felix has already thrown in his career. When you are talking about 10 years I think that makes him a riskier investment.

  108. blake September 16th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Neyer is clueless about a lot of things.

    As for Price vs Felix.

    I think Felix is the better and more polished pitcher right now and has proven over more than one season that he is an elite workhorse type pitcher… so maybe he would be the safer choice.

    However as good as his stuff is, Price’s is better and is coming from the left side. Felix is essentially already at or near his peak most likely whereas Price still has room to grow into an absolute Monster, he’s dominating the league and still hasn’t refined his breaking pitches yet. He has all-time upside and that would probably lure me to take him.

  109. Nick in SF September 16th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    A pitcher who goes someplace to be with Freddy Garcia is ultimately not the one you want to build your franchise around.

  110. blake September 16th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    “Also, I am a bit concerned about the amount of innings Felix has already thrown in his career. ”

    Yea its pretty clear there were no Felix rules….he’s the same age as Hughes and is already in his 5th full season. He threw 190+ innings as a 20 year old. Clearly its not affecting him now but it remains to be seen if it will when he starts getting closer to 30.

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  113. CB September 16th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    LGY-

    I do think that enters the debate though you do have to be cautious when looking at split statistics like that as you are removing half the games he’s pitched when doing so.

    The Cy Young race this year is very close. Honestly, for most of the season I thought Cliff Lee should win even though he missed the first month with the rib cage injury. He was the best pitcher I’ve seen throw this season and the best for over the most extended period of time.

    But it’s so close that the spell of poor starts Lee had after being traded to the Rangers has largely excluded him.

    It’s very tight. A guy people don’t talk about nearly enough is Francisco Liriano. He’s been fabulous and absolutely should be in the conversation.

    CC, Felix, Liriano and Price – I think any of them would be reasonable choices. But there are still games to be thrown.

  114. CB September 16th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    “A pitcher who goes someplace to be with Freddy Garcia is ultimately not the one you want to build your franchise around.”

    It’s good there was no Lohud around when that happened. I was not a happy camper when the Yanks lost out on Felix.

    I just could not believe that happened.

  115. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    What can you do if someone doesn’t want to pitch here? He didn’t want to come to NY – not everyone can handle that pressure. Well, he’s pitching for absolutely nothing in Seattle and Freddy Garcia isn’t there anymore.

  116. Jerkface September 16th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    I just could not believe that happened.

    The unlikely personal motivations of a player, just can’t be factored into a discussion. They are a real unknown pain in the ass.

    Though did the Mariners offer more money at all? I can scarcely remember anything from that time other than Felix loving Freddy Garcia.

  117. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    That’s probably why it’s best for the Yankees to develop their own players, players who only know the Yankee way and who are too young to be intimidated by NY

  118. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    I really thought Lee was going to go on to win it as well. I thought he should have started the ASG as well.

    He was just throwing an insane amount of innings. I think he was averaging over 8 innings per start until his recent skid.

  119. blake September 16th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    CB,

    Thoughts on Chapman from what you’ve seen this season? Obviously he’s been pretty dominant in his short stay in the big leagues….are there still concerns about whether or not he can start? Watching him pitch is impressive but its hard to believe his arm isn’t going to break at some point….the body just isn’t made to stand up to that kind of arm speed with that violent of a delivery for long. Still a little surprised the Yanks weren’t more aggressive going after him.

  120. CB September 16th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    “Though did the Mariners offer more money at all? I can scarcely remember anything from that time other than Felix loving Freddy Garcia.”

    No they didn’t. It was unclear but it appeared that they actually offered less. That’s partly why it was so surprising. They yankees had the top bid and Felix actually left money on the table as a 16 year old which almost never, ever happens.

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  122. Jerkface September 16th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    They yankees had the top bid and Felix actually left money on the table as a 16 year old which almost never, ever happens.

    Imagine all the Cy Youngs he missed out on choosing the Mariners. He has to have almost a dozen things go in his favor to win an award at this point.

  123. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Speaking of Lee and Liriano. It is hard to pick your poison so to say in regard to facing the Twins or the Rangers.

    I could be wrong about this, but I think most Yankee fans would prefer to face Liriano.

    I am not really sure what I would prefer, but Liriano’s incredibly low HR rate does scare me with this offense.

  124. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Not to mention WS rings……………

  125. CB September 16th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    “Thoughts on Chapman from what you’ve seen this season? ”

    I love the way he throws the ball. I really do. His throwing mechanics are just fantastic. He has such long levers and on top of that he’s so athletic. It’s an amazing combination. He throws the ball better than Strasburg does, IMO, because he does a better job of utilizing his entire body through his kinetic chain. He throws the ball better than any left hander I can remember. He’s just so dynamic, connected, athletic and long.

    And all that translates into very easy heat. He throws the ball with less effort than Strasburg did. He throws with less effort than Joba used to. He reminds me a bit of Verlander in that regard but he’s more athletic.

    Left handers are way too prone to just throwing the ball horribly. They don’t need to work as hard to throw well because they can just get away with being left handed. Chapman is particularly remarkable in that regard.

    His pitching mechanics of course are the question. Not sure how that’s going to go. His command and his secondary pitches are a question.

    That said – there is no way I’d leave him in the bull pen. None. David Price is able to dominate whole line ups with a well commanded fastball from the left side.

    I’d tell chapman to forget the third pitch. Forget the second pitch for the most part. Focus on commanding his fastball and then as a secondary issue throwing his slider so it reaches mediocre and put him in the rotation.

    He’s as talented a pitcher as I’ve every seen. Through the roof raw talent.

  126. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    I don’t bother rooting for or against any team. The Yankees have to beat whoever is in front of them and if they can’t do it, then they aren’t deserving of moving on.

  127. blake September 16th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    CB,

    That’s why it was so curious that the Yankees essentially passed on him….

  128. CB September 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    “Imagine all the Cy Youngs he missed out on choosing the Mariners. He has to have almost a dozen things go in his favor to win an award at this point.”

    At least two Cy Youngs. Perhaps 3.

    Wins may not be the best stat but they are still of historical importance.

    Felix could have won 350 games a yankee. That would not have been impossible. He would have won 300 easy.

    He definitely damaged his historical place in the game in ways that can’t be made up for now.

  129. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Most teams passed on him…………….

  130. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    The Yankees didn’t sign him because he wanted to go to a team that could promise that he’d make the big leagues within a short time…………..I don’t have any regrets.

  131. Tar September 16th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Derek Jeter has some of the best baseball instincts you will ever see in a ball player. That play last night was a perfect example. It was as simple as the Yankees needing a baserunner.
    I wasn’t around last night or earlier today. I figured I put my 2 cents out there.

  132. Yankee Trader September 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    As much as I’d hate to admit it, you’re leaving Clay “laptops” Bucholz out of the running for CY. 2nd lowest ERA and 5 more wins than King Felix.

  133. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Bake-

    At the time of the Chapman signing I thought it was reported that Yankee evaluators did not necessarily see Chapman as a starter. If that was their evaluation there was no way they were going to pay that freight for a reliever, or even for a closer.

    I could be wrong on that but that’s what I recall.

  134. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Liriano gave up half his seasons HR total in one game all the back on May 20th.

    Just 2 HR since May 20th.

  135. MTU September 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

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  136. LGY September 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    This is purely speculation on my part, but I do wonder if passing on Chapman had anything to do with the Yankees wanting to avoid an international draft at all costs.

  137. CB September 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    “That’s why it was so curious that the Yankees essentially passed on him….”

    Blake-

    I don’t know if you were posting here at the time, but when he first defected I wrote one long post after another about how Chapman was a must sign for the yankees.

    The only thing I can think of is that they felt there was inadequate information to feel confident that he could be a starter. If you don’t evaluate him as a starter then he’s not worth the money.

    But if you think there’s a semi-reasonable chance he’s a starter then you have to go all in.

    That said – it was never in Chapman’s financial interest to sign with the yankees. Way too much focus was put on what he’d sign for.

    By far the biggest financial factor for Chapman to consider was how quickly he could get to the big leagues and start his service clock towards free agency.

    If he has to spend 2 years in the minors and could only hit free agency at age 30 or 31 – that’s very different from coming up to the bigs now and hitting free agency at 28.

    And I don’t think the yankees could have guaranteed him that he’d be called up this season. Though as it turned out he would have.

  138. Yankee Trader September 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    “David Price is able to dominate whole line ups with a well commanded fastball from the left side.”

    That’s exactly how he dominated the Yankees with > 80% fastballs pitched in his 8 innings.

  139. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    I don’t recall that evaluation at all. Newman loved Chapman, but they wanted to start him out at A or AA – not AAA. They just couldn’t promise him what he wanted……………….Oddly, it was the Jays, As and Reds that were involved. The big $$ teams took a giant pass.

  140. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Oh well – at least he landed on a team I don’t care about in a league I don’t care about.

  141. CB September 16th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    That’s not something the team is going to state publicly.

  142. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    No, I know that, but I still have no problems with the Yankees bowing out if it was for that reason. Then again, I don’t believe in looking back…………

  143. Yankee Trader September 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Looks like we’ll get to see Chapman next year June 20th thru 22nd. I believe he was signed for 30 million, a figure the Yankees probably weren’t willing to match at the time.

  144. CB September 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    I wish Chapman were on the Yankees. What a weapon he would have been this post season even if it was only as a LOOGY out of the pen.

    What LH hitter is going to hit him in a situation where you can say to him all you have to do for this entire game is to get the next 1-2 guys out? He could probably sit 103 in that situation.

    Plus it would have been very entertaining to watch him. That’s not a regret per se but I’d love to have him in pinstripes.

  145. Andy - Red Sox fan September 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Sorry the bible’s been changed. It’s not enough one Yankee fan showed up with morals on the Sodom and Gomorah forum. West Coast Yankee Fan will be saved. The rest will drown in puke when your Yankees go down in flames. Jeter the Cheater is the joke of the nation. Captain Clean now Dirty Derek. Maybe he can sell his dance video from last night when he pranced for the camera. Jeter the Cheater Dancing With The Stars.

  146. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Ok……………..

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    They will have even more free time after October 3.

  148. blake September 16th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    CB,

    I don’t know if I was around for your original post but have read some of your other ones on the subject…That all makes sense. Thanks for the input. He and Price may hit FA around the same time

  149. Betsy September 16th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Looks like the guy did a drive by – too bad he didn’t stick around, lol

  150. Rob_NY September 16th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    If anything we can say CB isn’t Brian Cashman because he has never wavered from the point that if there’s a decent chance Chapman can be a starter he had once in a generation talent. You can’t pass on talent like that and I remember the myriad of ways CB stated as much. It is too bad he got away. But then again he could have been Michael Ynoa too….

  151. West Coast Yankee Fan September 16th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

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    “Sorry the bible’s been changed. It’s not enough one Yankee fan showed up with morals on the Sodom and Gomorah forum. West Coast Yankee Fan will be saved…”

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    Look you Fenway freak of nature – you better work on your comprehension skills. I never criticized Jeter based on a moral position. I only said it was a legitimate news story that was being covered nationally. I also said that in my opinion it would have been better had Jeter not acted and just took the base – and then low-keyed it in the locker room. He did nothing wrong. Jeter has more class in his pinky then your entire city. Begone troll!

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