No Teixeira, No A-Rod
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OK, so now Alex and no Tex. They still have more than enough in there. If guys, including Andy, perform as they are capable of, they still have a better team than Baltimore, and most anybody else.
Oh come ON, I understand no Tex, but no Alex? This is beyond ridiculous – enough with resting the guy. I believe we have another day off coming up this week – geezus, can Joe let the guy stay in a groove ? He’s healthy – let the man pay. Ugh, my blood is boiling.
Don’t they have someone better than Kearns to play RF and bat 8th?
#Betsy – no days off until September 30.
I bet Girardi knows how to handle Alex. Plus, he wants him for all 4 vs. Tampa. Plus, he has rested him since the DL and he is still on fire.
I bet Girardi knows how to handle Alex. Plus, he wants him for all 4 vs. Tampa. Plus, he has rested him since the DL and he is still on fire.
Play……………..I’m sure Alex is just thrilled. OCD Joe strikes again.
And Tex…. well he must still be in pain….
I doubt Joe WANTS to be resting all of these guys, but he wants to keep them healthy and we will see the benefit in the playoffs.
of course Alex is not thrilled. I would hope he wants to be in there everyday, but that’s when the manager steps in and reminds him that he has been injured. Besides, the team barely ever loses when Alex isnt in the lineup because everyone else picks it up.
There’s no reason to keep resting Alex………………Tex is another thing, although if rest isn’t going to help his injuries, I don’t know what the point is. His broken toe isn’t going to heal………..dont’ know about his thumb.
It’s like a jockey saving his horse for the stretch run. If you go to the whip too early, you just tire the horse out prematurely. The goal is not to become the champion of September, but the champion of October.
He was on the DL and now he’s healthy – there’s no need to keep resting him.
I must have missed the post that Andy was pitching in one more minor league game.
well I guess this is up to Andy today..
Don’t they have someone better than Kearns to play RF and bat 8th?
I can´t stand seeing Kearns! He´s such a bad player! Please release him!
Yanks have one more off day and its the day before the last series of the season at Fenway….counting today that would have been 11 straight days playing for Alex….I’m sure they want him ready for the final push for the division. They had a schedule of rest for him last season and it paid off, looks like the are planning on doing the same this season.
Joe, where did I say he should burn his players out? Like resting Alex every 3 or 4 games is going to guarantee that the Yankees win in October? If he’s so concerned about resting players, why is Jeter playing today? Why is Cano? He rests Alex too much, IMO.
You would think Arod was 75 not 35 the way Joe rest him.
And remember, anabolic steroids are not the only PEDs being clamped down on. Amphetamines are banned also. If it’s not like the good old days when guys went out there everyday, this may be why.
Blake, last year he was coming off of hip surgery. Is this how it’s going to be every year from now on? No matter what, under any circumstances, Alex is to be rested? He’s fine – play him.
Kearns is basically a body that they need. Why? Because our farm system hasn’t produced any major league capable outfielders this year.
This bench/replacement reality has been rearing it’s ugly head all year. It started with Hal giving Cashman $2.9 million in total for the bench.
Maybe Joe should give himself a rest.
Trevor, exactly. I can’t even express how I feel about Joe right now.
apparently there is a reason to rest him. i bet they know more than we do.
FYI- Wallacemathews tweet: alex complaing of sore throat yesterday, but not sure if that’s why he’s out of the lineup.
Well, Betsy, how else is one to interpret what you’re saying? You stated pretty strongly you feel that Alex should play every day. Or am I missing something?
i tink joe decided they have a better chance of beating the orioles without arod than beating tampa. my guess is arod plays all 4 vs tampa.
#blake – you’re just wrong. Arod pinch hit on 9/7; 9/9 was an off day; he didn’t play on 9/12; 9/16 was an off day.
Counting today, he would have played 3 days in a row. I guess that’s just too many for Arod.
Sounded like the other night Alex had no problem with the bigger picture – “we need a full metal jacket” for the playoffs is what he said.
And how does anyone know precisely how healthy Alex is? How do you know his health is not a product of all the “unnecessary” rest?
For instance, everyone was talking about Tex’s toe, but no one recalled about his thumb (finger, hand, whatever).
Joe from Long Island said it best – what good is being the champion of September if in the process you have nothing left for October.
And I have to laugh – last night it was “how can he play Colin Curtis” in right. Today? “how can he play Austin Kearns in right?” Does anyone realize that’s his two alternatives? Thames can’t play the outfield and shouldn’t ever be out there (at least that’s been the song and dance all season) and Golson doesn’t hit.
@ Kearns in RF
I would like players like Golson or Colins much more! Kearns is so bad! It´s a good thing when he strikes out because he didn´t hit into a double play!
Betsy, how can you without any doubt say that Alex is fine? Have you spoken to him? Were you in the clubhouse, or the trainer’s room. On what objective basis do you make that statement? So, why not leave it to someone who does talk to him, to the trainers? Why don’t you trust the people on the scene?
Betsy,
He’s coming off hip problems this season as well. He’s just now starting to look healthy, the last thing they want to do is push him too hard, especially in games that they SHOULD be able to win without him. Of course I’d love to see Arod out there today going for the sweep but sometimes we just have to take it on faith that the people making these decisions know these players and what they need better than we do. If resting him allows him to hit like he did last October then so be it, so be it every season for that matter.
Probably just a scheduled day off for Alex so he can play the Tampa/Boston homestand but……
wallacematthews A-Rod complaining of sore throat yesterday; don’t know if that’s why he’s out. Not here yet.
Girardi meeting media at noon.
Niblick,
count forward…if he played today and then every game until the next off day then that would be 11 straight days and that’s not counting the games prior to today….he wasn’t playing that many days in a row.
I doubt he’ll rest Alex for the next two series and why he gets today off.
Looking at this lineup, $200m doesn’t quite buy what it used to…
A lot of time we jump on Girardi for the line-up and then we find out that there was a good reason for not starting someone.
“I doubt he’ll rest Alex for the next two series and why he gets today off.”
Probably correct, and if that’s the case, correct decision by Girardi.
Hey at least Posada is playing today….
My point was that in the 15 days since he’s come off the DL, he has only started on 10 of them. That’s not exactly heavy lifting. And he doesn’t appear to be hurt or struggling. In fact, he’s one of the few who’s actually hitting.
But Cashman has already pretty much admitted that the Yanks are only going for the Wild Card anyway, so why not rest the whole team? They could bring up the entire Trenton Thunder roster and still beat out the sox for the wild card. But that’s not what fans want to see.
Hey Doreen how are you. Thames is hitting .298 with a .386P, 11 home runs and 31 RBI’s. He has proven he can hit righties and lefties.
I don’t think his “potential” defensive lapses in right will lose a game as much as a Kearns, Curtis and or Golson’s ineptitude at the plate will. That’s just my opinion of course.
“$200m doesn’t quite buy what it used to…” $200 million doesn’t buy what it should when the $200 million is spent by the Yankees – and the Yankees have to pay above top dollar. And that’s another reason why we’re the underdogs!
Berkman batting 3rd again. Oh, boy. When was the last time he drove in a run? And Kearns. Geez. I hope Andy pitches well.
Mornin’ West Coast Yankee Fan -
I wouldn’t object if Thames was in there, WCYH. But none of the options is perfect.
My point was that in the 15 days since he’s come off the DL, he has only started on 10 of them. That’s not exactly heavy lifting. And he doesn’t appear to be hurt or struggling. In fact, he’s one of the few who’s actually hitting.
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And they want him to play the next 7 vs. the division. Maybe ARod is hot now because of the extra resting. It’s not like he is going to be resting in the playoffs and this is the orioles, so relax…
It is pretty clear by now that this is going to be Girardi’s course of action the rest of the year, endorsed by Cashman.
I don’t think Girardi is intentionally giving up on HFA. But, it’s pretty obvious it’s not a priority. That’s a fair statement I think. The schedule is not the Yankees friend these last couple of weeks.
That’s one thing I cant get on board with. Joe is so stuck with his positions in the batting order, that he bat Berkmania 3rd yesterday – probably to stick with right, lefty, righty – instead of just moving Alex to 3rd and Cano to 4th and reconstructing the order accordingly.
I don’t think his “potential” defensive lapses in right will lose a game as much as a Kearns, Curtis and or Golson’s ineptitude at the plate will. That’s just my opinion of course.
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I agree with West Coast. I think Thames has earned a chance, with the second highest average on this team.
“My point was that in the 15 days since he’s come off the DL, he has only started on 10 of them. That’s not exactly heavy lifting.”
That’s right, he’s coming off the DL and has what could be a chronic hip condition in addition to what he was on the DL for. The Yankees aren’t going for the WC, they are going for the division just not at the expense of the ultimate goal, which is winning the World Series. They would love to accomplish both goals of the division and lining everything up for the playoffs but they have made it clear that the 2nd goal comes first and rightfully so because that’s the more important one.
I think Bergman is hitting very well the last 10 days! I like having him !
Go Yankees! Go HOME Kearns!
I don’t think Girardi is intentionally giving up on HFA. But, it’s pretty obvious it’s not a priority. That’s a fair statement I think. The schedule is not the Yankees friend these last couple of weeks.
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this is a fair statement. cashman has already said that health is the #1 priority.
I think Kazmir is going to get his clock cleaned by his old team today.
OK ac1 – you win the most faiir statement comp lol
Re: Arod sitting out again, isnt it obvious that Joe knows what he is doing with Alex. Alex has been on fire since coming off the DL and ditto everything blake said.
since all of the Septmeber call-ups (except injury replacements, like Ring) are not eligible for post season play, it makes sense to try to get Kearns going. These are the players Cash got for Girardi, he needs to use them.
The schedule for Tampa is so soft the rest of the way, trying to hard for the division is impractical.
That said, Arod should be dh, he has his stroke down, why risk messing it up?
Then again, I’m sure he wants to get Swish going, since he has missed time.
“Oh come ON, I understand no Tex, but no Alex? This is beyond ridiculous – enough with resting the guy.”
Enough of this daily complaining at every single lineup decision of Joe……
Some of thesde people do not even know when the next off day is.
I may not agree with this line up, but Joe knows better about every one of his players.
He is making sure that all the cards are on the deck when we meet Rays for four days. That head to head series means much more than today’s game in whether we win the division or not.
CR9 – Girardi is a frustrated NL manager, that’s one of the issues I have with him. He always has to be front and center and effect every game one way or the other. He does too much, he relies too heavily on stats, righty-lefty and match-ups and micro-manages everything. He is as serious as an undertaker out there too. He’s a weird one.
Yes he won last year.
West Coast Yankee Fan says:
September 19, 2010 at 11:24 am
I think Kazmir is going to get his clock cleaned by his old team today
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I think Kazmir has pitched against the Rays 2 times already this season and he hasn’t beat them. I say today will be his day.
If you don’t want to read my posts, BBFAn, than by all means feel free to skip them.
Blake-
The only caveat in what you said is that the Yankees have been a much better home than road team this year.
I agree that the ultimate goal should be the WS but I wouldn’t marginalize the value of HFA especialy this season.
I hope the Yankees can accomplish both goals. Resting their players and winning the division but I’m not certain they can. It would appear that the strategy is in place and bets have been made.
Let’s just hope it’s the right one.
God Betsy, sometimes I have a feeling you are a 10 year old. Girardi is resting A-rod because he had surgery not too long ago, and because hes been on the DL not too long ago as well. Not only will he probably never be the same again because of his hip as you can tell by him changing his batting stance to take pressure off the hip when hes batting and using his arms instead of his hips to generate power, BUT he will also require more rest than before.
Teixeira on the other hand has multiple injures. Would you rather play him today and give him a day off against the Red Sox or Tampa? Do you even need to know baseball to answer that question?
As for Girardi not resting Jeter, last I checked he wasn’t hurt. And you cant say anything otherwise because you are no where near the Yankees. Neither am I in that case, but if Jeter is playing, I guess that just proves my point.
Also since I might as well go all out, Cano is in his prime and hasn’t been on the DL in nearly 3 years and hes also been swinging the bat well as well as only missing 1 game this year i believe so maybe thats a hint to why hes not being rested.
“how can you without any doubt say that Alex is fine? Have you spoken to him? Were you in the clubhouse, or the trainer’s room. On what objective basis do you make that statement? So, why not leave it to someone who does talk to him, to the trainers? Why don’t you trust the people on the scene?”
Joe, you are making too much sense
That does not go well with the worrywarts here
If theres anything else, you know where to find me.
Here’s the thing….given the remaining schedules for the Rays and Yankees, Girardi knows that he’s probably going to need 3 of 4 in the series against Tampa to hang on to the division. Rest Arod and Tex today and try to steal a game against a team that you still should beat and then have them for the entire series with the Rays….that may give them the best shot.
There’s an article in todays Tampa Tribune that talks about how Cashman is looking at the big picture and resting players for the playoffs and not going pedal to the metal in the last few weeks of the season with a lot of the players because he knows how important their health is in the postseason. They talk about how the Rays won’t rest any players and aren’t letting off the gas to rest anyone. I think the big difference between the Rays and Yankees in regard to resting players is age. The Rays are a team made up of a lot of young guys who don’t need rest like some of the older Yankees. I don’t mind resting Alex today as long as he plays through Tampa and Boston.
Too bad you wasted that whole post because I skipped right by it, lol. Too bad others don’t have that ability.
Good morning, peeps.
As soon as I saw that headline, I knew there’d be people crying about Joe resting Alex. The Yankees need Alex for TB, not BAL.
I’m jealous I admit it. I wish we finished the season with ten games against Seattle, Baltimore and Kansas City.
Trust me, if I could block your posts I would of done it a long time ago. It just irritates me when I read your constant whining.
So is this how it’s going to be under Cashman? The division becomes unimportant? Or – is it just because this is an old team. I guess we’ll find out in a few years after Jeter and Posada are gone. Of course, we’ll still have Alex and an aging Tex………….I can’t wait.
I’m not counting on Tex to do anything, whatwith his broken toe and his sore thumb. I’m fine with resting him, except that rest is not going heal his toe………….so he might as well play him.
Look at the numbers of the guy pitching for Balt today. As long as they are patient they should have no problem scoring runs today, even with the C lineup.
MTU,
I’m not totally buying in to the home/road splits this year. Most teams play better at home….Texas is under .500 on the road this season and the Twins have a worse road record that the Yankees do. Either way, they have a better chance to win if healthy wherever they are playing.
Too freaking bad. If you don’t have the ability to skip pasts posts, then you deserve to be irritated. It’s not that hard to ignore people…………….and I will prove that right after this post.
“If you don’t want to read my posts, BBFAn, than by all means feel free to skip them”
Betsy, that is the best you can come up with.
Did it ever occur to you that many people here respond negatively to your posts.
In fact, you receive the most negative reactions from this blog readers.
Just go thru this thread and it will be clear to you.
Also, see who is reacting. Todaqy it is mostly the good citizens of the blog.
Do not get defensive. Just the read the whole thread again and see.
Blake-
It’s rare but you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
BBFAN, I don’t need to be lectured by you, so yes – so yes, that was the best I can come up with. I don’t care if you read my posts or not and I don’t need you to tell me what to do. I also don’t care if I’m in the minority………….the good people of this blog?
I had a chat with a friend from Cambridge last night. Talk in Boston is that the Red Sox are going to be plenty motivated and go all out trying to beat the Yankees those last three in Fenway.Last hurrah for 2010.
We have a key 7 day push that *may* determine the division. Giving ARod, and his hip, a day off today seems like it makes total sense. To MTU’s point, winning the division is critical. Having to play on the road for the entire playoffs is something they should try to avoid. It doesn’t mean that they won’t win the WS without the division, just that it would be a ‘harder’ road.
WCYF – Im not going to knock Girardi, but I wish he would try to back off just a little bit and not try to affect every game. He may have a more positive overall effect if he did that. The weird part is, we all call Joe a by-the-book manager, but the by-the-book move would be moving Alex to 3 and Robi to 4 in a game like yesterday with Tex out. Oh well, Joe marches to the beat of his own drum, and he brought number 27, and is on the way to bringing 28.
Good grief. Has Betsy ever had a positive outlook on ANYTHING?
If I had her attitude early this year, I would have never walked again.
Don’t understand how anyone can live through life spitting on everything.
West Coast Yankee Fan –
I have a feeling that is true, seeing how Boston isn’t getting into the postseason this year they need to go out with a bang that will leave their fans happy and to show the Yankees that they will be back next year with a force.
Blake-
Even if the Yankees take 3 out of 4 from Tampa, with CC going the 23rd against Price, their last 6 games are on the road, and CC pitches again the 28th, and will not likely pitch the last game in Boston when his turn comes up on the 3rd, due to the fact the ALDS starts the 6th.
With their remaining schedule as compared to Tampa’s, who will be facing many AAA players, it’s going to take, IMHO a 10-4 finish, winning today and taking every series that remains to win the division.
Not much has been said of Posada lately.
He is really turning it on at the plate recently.
The long AB 2 nights ago was HUGE for us.
Cervelli/Posada/Montero – C next season
Montero/Alex – DH next season
Is this the train of thought for next season?
Recently, I disagreed a few times with SJ when he was unfairly critical of Girardi.
However, there is one thing he always maintained I agee with.
You write rubbish, you will be called out.
You do not like to read it, skip it – follow your own medicine instead of whining.
You react with non-sense, you get it back.
Gee, GF -you do passive aggressive well. Next time, why don’t you direct your comment to me?
What is your problem anyway? You are not a better fan than I am simply because you are a pollyanna
“Cashman: “We’ve got to realize perspective”
““Over time you get educated,” Cashman said “You want to all be macho and say, ‘American League East at all cost,’ but hey man, I’ve been part of the Yankees now for a long time. I’ve been beaten by a wild-card Red Sox team in ’04. I’ve been beaten by a wild-card Florida Marlins in the World Series in ’03. I’m not saying give me the wild card. I’m just saying we’ve got to realize perspective. We’re in this to try to win a World Series. If we don’t, people remember that we didn’t more than whatever we did’
I will let Cashman’s words respond for me.
Oh please, Franco – you don’t know me so don’t you dare try to pretend you know how I live my life.
“Of course, we’ll still have Alex and an aging Tex………….I can’t wait.”
Than go root for another team and torture their blog.
News Flash: Every player on every team is aging. Best not to worry about it when the player is 29.
You are out of hand today. Is anything this team does good enough? I bet you pointed out all the reasons they can’t repeat right after they won the WS last season.
CR9 – Well articulated. In all fairness, everyone marches to their own beat and results are what matter. Girardi should be and will be judged n when it’s all said and done.
I do think there are legitimate reasons to question Girardi’s decisions, you know, just as a fan that bleeds navy blue. I understand the desire to rest banged up and aging players. Sometimes the timing seems strange, but ok. But I agree with you, the lineups, or more specifically the unwillingness to move some guys around occasionally does mystify me.
BTW
here is the link.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....rspective/
Betsy – The division is not unimportant. It is not the top priority. Our health is. Also, winning the division may pit us against a more difficult opposition – the Rangers.
What exactly did Cashman answer? If the Yankees don’t win the WS and they were the wild card, you will get plenty of fans and the media questioning why they didn’t try to win the division.
No, Joey, I’ll stay here and watch you torture this blog with your inane posts.
JoeyA, I see Montero starting the season at AAA if he isn’t included in another mega-deal (which I think is unlikely). But if continues to improve on his footwork, I don’t see them keeping him (and his bat) down in AAA all year.
Trader,
Agree, I was just saying that they really need 3 of 4 to give themselves the best chance. They win today and take 3 of 4 against the Rays then they are guaranteed at least a 2.5 games cushion with 3 series to go….I think even with the schedules that’s a doable situation.
MTU,
Just to be clear, the division and HFA is important. I’m not saying it isn’t because the Yankees do hit better at the Stadium and honestly I’d rather play Texas in that first round that the Twins…I just think the Twins are a better team.
i love how betsy claims she ignores people post, yet still comments on them.
If you want to argue something, go ahead, but when you are called out on it, dont run away and hide. You can dish it, but you cant take it. You are actually ruining the blog with your childish attitude.
Betsy -
Why do you even follow this team? There is nothing, based on your daily posts, that you like about it. You don’t like the manager. You don’t trust any pitchers except CC and Mo. You’ve already got Tex and ARod on the permanent DL. You don’t like the way the GM and manager are trying to manage the stretch run and have already decided that they don’t care about winning divisions.
It is not just that this team has some old players; it has a lot of injuries to key players that have to be managed. As long as there is a wild card, they have the luxury of working it out this way. They are using the system that is in place – they didn’t invent this. Again, what good winning the division if in the process you fatigue your players so that they’re one and done?
AT least this way, they will have a fighting chance. And, guess what, they are in first place, and unless you have a crystal ball, they still have a chance to win the division anyway.
I’ve disagreed a lot with Girardi the last few weeks.
Today? No problem with the lineup.
They have already won the series and the Red Six losing the last few days gives them some space to rest guys.
Especially with no off days coming up this week.
Tar-
But isn’t Cash stating the exceptions to the rule rather than the rule ?
How many wild card teams have won the WS relative to those who had more favorable positioning.
Can it be done ? Absolutely.
Are there multiple considerations ? Sure.
But no one should say that it is nearly as common, or as likely as it is for the team with the HFA throughout the playoffs.
We all know the playoffs are a crapshoot but you still want to increase yours odds as best you can w/o comprising your other objectives.
IMO this year is a more unique situation. The playoff teams appear more closely matched than ever, and IMO you need every edge you can reasonably obtain.
HFA is one of them.
That’s my take.
I think big picture, the Yankees have a fair shot to win number 28 this year. But I don’t personally think the odds are as good as they were last year. In the playoffs, it will take a healthy team, a good Burnett and Hughes and some timely, really hot hitting.
The obstacles are plentiful. Minnesota is a very good team, Texas has Lee and bats, Tampa is – Tampa, and, Philly is starting to click on all cylinders. Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt will be pretty tough.
But, we have a good shot and that’s all one can ask for.
Stay on nyyfan ~.~
Betsy,
Enough with playing the victim card.
If you are going to insist on writing nothing but disdain and negativity about everything, you are going to get called on it. That’s the way any blog works. You’re entitled to your opinion and others are entitled to challenge you to defend that opinion.
This team is going to the postseason for the 14th time in the last 15 years, including 5 championships and 7 pennants.
You’d think they would have earned some faith by now considering no other organization is on the same planet in regards to success the last decade and a half.
If you’re going to continue to drop a load in the punch bowl everyday, you’re going to continue to get called on it. People are just tired of it.
Unfortunately, there’s no reasoning with the unreasonable. Tis true in politics, tis true amongst sports fans.
I think Montero will be up and breaking things in stadiums by Mid May next season
If he could catch 30-40 games next season then that would be great with Posada and someone else (Cervelli, Molina, whoever catching the rest).
MTU
I didn’t copy this line, but I think it’s the key into looking at management’s mindset.
“This is about trying to line us up and getting our guys in a position to play at full gear if we can get ourselves to October”.
WCYF – Since blake and yourself have called Minnesota a very good team, can you please explain to me why? I am asking seriously; the only thing I know about them is that Carl Poo Poo Pavano is their number 1 and their hitters consist of Mauer and Morneau – who according to Trisha, has the same concussion problem as last year.
Doreen, I don’t need to be lectured by you and I don’t need to explain my fanhood to you. You aren’t a better fan because nothing worries you.
Why don’t you tell me why I should trust AJ or Javy or Phil? Because they’ve been so good this year? You just don’t want anyone to criticize the players……….
I don’t know why everyone is taking the Orioles so lightly. This is a very talented ballclub
Yeah, I’m putting Alex on the permanent DL; where exactly did you get that from?
GF, I don’t care if you call me on it, but you don’t have the right to be questioning how I live my life. You don’t know me, so don’t even pretend to know that you do.
Girardi looking at the big picture. No Tex, ba against Tillman .500, no Alex, ba against Tillman .667.
Tar-
I understand that, and that is certainly an extremely important consideration.
I’m just not sure it’s the ultimate consideration. Winning as a WC is far from easy no matter how healthy your team is. It’s a tough road.
I hope BC is absolutely right and I am dead wrong in my POV.
GF – you just can’t handle any fan being worried or concerned about this team. According do you, we are not allowed to criticize a players performance. If anyone does, then that person is not a fan and you question then. Nice.
Ouch, that lineup is pretty sad. I think the Yanks are better off playing those guys in games they can win and get a playoff spot locked up so they can coast into the playoffs with a lot of rest.
I think the Yankees are better than the Twins but despite all their history of struggles in NY, I do think they present more problems in a potential ALDS than Texas does. Last season the Twins limped into the post season pretty much spent after the play in game….they didn’t have Morneau and more importantly didn’t have Liriano. So while the Yanks swept them, that sereis is misleading. The twins aren’t going to beat themselves and now have a legit #1 to match up against CC.
“Why don?t you tell me why I should trust AJ or Javy or Phil? ”
Because hoping for the best instead of expecting the worst makes for less worry lines when you’re 50.
MTU
Might find this attachment on wild card teams success in postseason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M....._Wild_Card
“If you’re going to continue to drop a load in the punch bowl everyday, you’re going to continue to get called on it. People are just tired of it.”
Count me as one in that group.
I never used to question people’s comments in the past.
Tried my best to skip them or reply back without being critical.
But, lately it has become impossible.
Sick and tired of this non-sense from some of these people who unfortunaley post more entries that others.
What I find is that I am not alone. That is comforting.
Girardi must assume that Andy will pitch well and that even the diminished lineup can get to Tillman. I guess it’s worth a shot, with the understanding that Alex and Tex can pinch hit later in the game and stay in – try to win it without them, and use them if you need them to win it?
PeterBotte Girardi said ARod is simply day-game-after-night maintenance and hopes both he and Teixeira will start all 4 vs Tampa.
Pat, that doesn’t have anything to do with anything. Doreen makes it sound like it’s wrong to not have trust beyond CC (and Andy)……Good for her that she trusts the other starters, but that doesn’t make anyone else who doesn’t a bad fan.
Though Tex and A-Rod are not in the lineup, I have no doubt, they will PH in high leverage situations if needed.
Wow.. the weekends are never a good time to check the blog. People have too much time on their hands..
Then again, “drop a load in the punch bowl” might qualify as a tag line on another LoHud tshirt.
“Girardi said ARod is simply day-game-after-night maintenance and hopes both he and Teixeira will start all 4 vs Tampa.”
Beautiful.
YT-
Unless I misunderstood you made my point for me.
“I’m just not sure it’s the ultimate consideration.”
MTU
If I had to decide between healthy and rested wild card team vs dinged up and tired division winner, I will take the healthy and rested every time.
I will have to defer to BC and Joe to decide how best to balance it out.
Having said all that, I can see your perspective as well.
Betsy,
Again with the victim card. Criticisms and concerns are one thing, but total disdain for this team everyday is something completely different, which is what you display everyday in this forum.
We’ve all earned our reputations on this blog one way or another – good or bad. You’ve certainly earned yours and that’s why people tend to give you a hard time.
You rarely base your opinions on fact and you tend to refuse to listen to any objective reasoning. That’s on you.
It’s not just the trolls and malcontents on this blog who call you out on it – it’s the most reasonable and respected regulars, too.
Who is the common denominator in all of these instances? It’s you.
Your simplest response is for everyone to ignore your posts. Well, not everyone is going to do that. If you are going to spout that stuff everyday, you’re gonna have to learn to defend it.
CR9 – Well, it’s just my opinion. They have one of the best records in all of baseball at 89-59, they are 49-24 in their new ballpark, they have a good rotation with Pavano, Liriano, Baker and Slowey – they keep them in games and Fuentes, Rauch and Capps are a good core to their pen. And they can hit – Mauer, Cuddyer, Young, Valencia is hitting .340 and Hardy.
# blake September 19th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
“Girardi said ARod is simply day-game-after-night maintenance and hopes both he and Teixeira will start all 4 vs Tampa.”
Beautiful.
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What a concept. Playing for the important series. Man, how’d he get to be manager?
Just because you tell me I have disdain for the team doesn’t make it so, GF, but hey – think what you want.
Great – so you don’t think I know baseball and I’m a lousy poster. Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, we can move on because there’s sure not a lot to say after that
The team must be doing well for the topic du jour this morning to be what it has been….
Guys, don’t sweat the small stuff. I’m more interested in Andy’s performance today, and hope/expect a good one from him. As with the rest of the lineup. As I’ve said, they have more than enough talent in there to win. Just got to do it.
And a shout out Hi to GF. Got to run now, just wanted to say hi….
My big concern today is for Andy to pitch well and come out of this game healthy. IMO without a healthy Andy the Yankees will not go far in the playoffs.
Betsy -
Ha!
I have criticized the players and the manager when it is appropriate. But I don’t expect perfection, and I don’t go overboard.
CC pitched a heckuva game last night – he only gave up 3 runs, despite not having his best stuff – which I think is awesome – how he can control a game with almost nothing going for him. But all you’d say was he hasn’t been sharp lately. As if he’s merely lucky. CC makes his own “luck.”
The other night, Phil Hughes was pitching extremely well. But you were nowhere to be seen until he started to sputter.
You say almost all the time, well maybe that was a good game or performance, but you’re not willing to give the benefit of the doubt after that good game, yet have a bad game and you extrapolate that into how horrible and untrustworthy a guy is.
You take simple statements by media, players, managers, and co-bloggers and jump from point a to point z without stopping at any between points. Like, ARod and Tex are rested this year, so you can’t wait to see what’s going to happen in the future.
And it’s the entire tone of your posts.
You talk about other people being passive aggressive, but there is a nastiness in some of your responses.
You don’t see it. You never have and you never will. People who generally like you (like me and m) have mentioned this to you, but you can’t see it, and just dismiss us as having joined those who are “against” you. It’s not you anyone is against. But your perspective is all one way.
And I’m sorry about this, I really, really am.
Betsy
You’re missing the point.
I have questions about players abilities but in reality they mean little and are often proven wrong.
AJ, Javy and Phil are what the Yankees have. They all have the ability to throw a good game on any particular day. We’ve seen them do it.
CC and Andy have the ability to throw a stinker on any particular day. We’ve seen them do that too.
Angst before the first pitch is thrown only takes away from your enjoyment of the game.
Baseball is supposed to be fun. It’s a game. You work yourself (and others) into knots.
If you put your views in a public forum, people might disagree with them. Debating your opinion with others is more fun than accusing them of being insulting for not agreeing with you or telling them to skip your posts if they don’t agree.
The only way for any of us to have a conversation with someone who agrees with us 100% of the time, is to stand in front of a mirror.
MTU-
Should have said wild card “non- success” in division and ALCS except for the 2002 Angels and the 2004 Red Sox. Would rather start lefties CC and a healthy Pettitte at home in YS against the Twins rather than in their open air stadium in October against the likes of lefties Morneau [if healthy], Thome Mauer, Kubel, Span.
YT-
If I read that right there have been on 4 WC teams to win the WS out of 29 potential tries.
Not very good odds.
Any stats on the # who have won with HFA throughout ?
I would think the # would be higher ?
I know exactly what you are referring to specifically when you mention that I don’t listen to reasonable opinions. What a joke. We all have to agree with you, don’t we? Yes, I guess we do. You just want everyone to think the same way. What your saying, in essence, is that if someone holds an opinion that differs from you or from the majority, that person is wrong and knows nothing.
Don’t give me the crap about the victim card; what BS way to avoid the truth. You judged my lifestyle and yes, I’m going to call you on that….
And what’s more Betsy -
You consistently misread people’s posts.
Shouldn’t we be taking about Andy? I’m just sayin’.
Pat, I think I know how a forum and blog work as I ‘ve been on them for years. I dont’ care if people disagree with me, unlike GF (as an example) who can’t handle when others disagree with him and who simply wants everyone to be a pollyanna about the Yankees. What I have a problem with is those who think they are far better fans than the fans that worry. They’re not.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, Doreen.
Edit: “only”. sorry.
YT-
Let’s just hope both goals can be accomplished simultaneously.
guess so
I’m out.
Betsy,
Cut the BS. I didn’t judge your lifestyle. Doreen is exactly right. You do misread/misinterpret what people say to you.
My comment was based on your attitude, which you display in a negative way every single day in this forum.
My view is other than HFA, Yanks will have thier hands full with either Twins or Rangers.
Still, if we have a healthy team, we will come out on top.
Twins should still have that element of doubt if they can win agsint yanks until they do so.
Also, I am not as concerned about facing Lee two/three times. We will counter that with Sabathia who is very good too.
It will come down to how our offense does and that is why resting them now and get them fully ready for playoffs is of paramount importance.
That is one of the reasons why I never undertsood the constant criticism of Girardi. I also felt some of the decisions of Girardi were not right, but he knows what is going in with everyone of the players and hence he gets the benefit of doubt.
LOL I never even came close to implying that CC was lucky, so you should not be talking about people misreading others’ posts.
Yeah, I wasn’t around for Phil because I wasn’t going to be a hypocrite. I’m not about to post how excited I was when he was pitching well when I’ve been criticizing him. There was nothing for me to say – I haven’t changed my mind about him.
Nastiness in my posts? Only to those who attack me………..but I suppose I should sit back and take it. That’s not going to happen.
Since 1998 home teams are 9 and 10 in elimination games.
“If I read that right there have been on 4 WC teams to win the WS out of 29 potential tries.
Not very good odds.”
Disclaimer: math is not my strong suit.
All things being equal WC should have a 1 out of 8 chance. or 12.5%
WC winning percentage is 4 out of 29 or 13.7%
It’s easy for me to filter out other fan’s emotions. For others, they grow disturbed by the panic and negativity. Everyone’s different.
When Betsy worries (and you DO worry more than the average person Betsy) she still makes good points. People should react to her points and debate/converse point by point. It’s reactionary to get carried away with the emotional dressings of her posts and you lose credibility if you can’t argue point for point or if you merely attack the packaging of the message.
Good afternoon LOHUD.
MTU-
The Angels in 2002 and Red Sox in 2004 had HFA due to the AL winning the AS game. The 2003 Marlins won without HFA. The 97 Marlins’ I don’t recall if they had HFA.
I think given Girardi’s clearly established penchant for future health and prosperity – I won’t be surprised to see Gaudin, Mitre, Nova and Moseley in some situations that are not meaningless going down the stretch. IMO he is gong to be as concerned with rested starters and relievers going into the post season, as he is with rested position players. As well he should.
LGY-
How about since the inception of the WC ?
Why limit your sample to begin in 1998 ?
I am surprise to see Jorge is in there since it’s day game after night game. But consider we are with out Arod , the lineup sans Tex and him would truly be anemic. Cervelli is such downgrade from Jorge offensively, it is the single biggest weak spot in this team when Jorge is sat.
The lineup is what it is and not terrible today. I would like to Nunez instead of Pena but I guess Joe is putting D over possible marginal offensive upgrade.
I don’t think it’s about agreeing to disagree…
People just get tired of it, example Phil throwan awesome game and moment he messes up you pop out with remarks.
Im not attacking you just saying, if you don’t got something nice to say you can hold back once in awhile. Instead of saying “Phil is horrible, sabathia has been mediocre”
Stuff like that ticks people off.
Since 1998 number 1 seeds have reached the World Series 8 times in 24 chances
West Coast Yankee Fan September 19th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
“Shouldn’t we be taking about Andy? I’m just sayin’”
Yeah! Enough with these hurt feelings and BS discussion of who said what (I don’t care, I come here to read about the Yankees, and about people’s thoughts on said subject).
I think Andy will start strong and fade after 5 innings Hopefully the bullpen is well rested after CCs game yesterday. But I think he’ll be strong down the stretch, well rested, and a key for the postseason.
Since 2009 the Yankees have won every world series
Betsy,
Please help us enjoy today’s game.
Just leave and come back with a positve mind tomorrow.
Or, do you want us all appeal to Chad to ban you from here temporarily until you get it right.
I am sure Chad would like to see the likes of Doreen, GF to post here rather than walk out.
West Coast Yankee Fan September 19th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
I think given Girardi’s clearly established penchant for future health and prosperity
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Sure, let’s claim the WC before we unleash the collectively AAA squad. I want those heads up red sox games to be as meaningless as possible.
Pettitte will be limited by his pitch count , so in all likelihood if his command is good he’ll be out in the 6th inning.
Well, I see it’s normal around here again with Betsy being the center of the storm.
Betsy
My 2 cents.
Post more about what you like and less about what you don’t.
I like most of your positive posts and dislike almost all of your negative one’s.
I will say you are more knowledgable than most give you credit for.
Pettite is limited to about 95 pitches I heard.
All I can say about Hughes is Yankee fans should drop to their knees in appreciation every day that we have a 24 year old, home grown, mature, poised, number five starter that has won 16 games in the AL East. Geez Louise, what more does anyone want?
YT-
My apologies. I guess I didn’t make my question precise enough.
What I wanted to compare was the odds of winning the WS with the HFA throughout vs. the the odds as the WC team for the entire period of inception of WC to now ?
Actually, due to the rules thought that is simply not possible for the Yankees this year no matter what they do.
Maybe the questioned needs to be refined even further to include HFA throughout the ALDS and ALCS ?
Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
The Wild Card for all purposes started in 1995, since 94 was a strike year.
Betsy
You’re passion for the team is not a question. How you express it is another issue.
I’m out. My mom is going all out Italian for Sunday dinner today so the whole “fam damily” will be cheering on Andy together and mangia-ing.
MTU
I am pulling this from an article but I am on a phone so not sure how to link it. They changed the playoff format in 1998.
LGY-
thanks. Better odds, significantly so I would say.
Mtu
Not necessrily. You have to keep in mind that generally the number 1 seed is going to be the best team.
Not necessrily. You have to keep in mind that generally the 1 seed is the best team
YT/LGY-
No matter what happens let’s just hope the Yankees have what it takes to win it all.
Thanks again for your input. I’m not usually a stat guy per se but I do like increasing our chances if possible.
Enjoy the game.
Next years rotation should be more solid.
CC
Hughes
AJ
if Lee and pettite come to Yanks that’s solid. Hughes will only get better, amazing season for a first year starter.
Girardi has had a rough stretch. He’s made some glaring mistakes and the main reason why is that the team has been trying to balance two competing priorities – winning the division while preparing an older team for the playoffs in terms of health.
What’s complicated the capacity to rest the older players is that, unfortunately, it’s the core of younger players who have sustained injuries – Tex, Swisher, and Gardner.
This has made handling those two competing priorities very, very difficult.
But the most important thing for the team to have is a coherent strategy and stick to it rather than playing it half way as they were during that tough stretch.
Saying that Alex and getting in a tizzy about it is not only incoherent rambling it’s not acknowledging the complexity of what they are trying to balance and prioritize.
They still have 14 regular season games. Is Alex just supposed to play all of them? Because he definitely has to play in all of the post season games. So that would mean he’s potentially playing 30-33 games in a row. That’s ludicrous. Yes they get days off in the post season but fewer than in the past now and it’s cold as well.
It’s not only complaining. It’s incoherent rambling that doesn’t even bother to think through different aspects to the situation.
Not all opinions are equally valid, especially when they’re written in over heated hyperbole.
The good thing is that Pettitte is starting and Vazquez is shadowing him. Joe isn’t expecting Andy to walk on water. A little safety net doesn’t hurt. Last time Javy was up into the low nineties which makes for more separation from the off speed stuff. Vazquez is in transition, he lost 3 to 4 mph on his fastball overnight. You have to admire his style, no whining, no pouting – a true professional.
CC is the x factor. He can win home or on the road. Any team with CC (that means US!) can bend the statistics and win series home and away.
CC is well worth his contract.
He improves the team’s statistical chances of getting a ring more-so than any single Yankee.
LOL You want to have Chad ban me? Good luck with that………….on what grounds?
Enjoy, Pat!
Tar, your advice is well-meant and I’ll leave it at that. Thanks!
“No, Joey, I’ll stay here and watch you torture this blog with your inane posts.”
Sorry. Took a walk down to the shore. Ill still never understand why folks stop going to the beach after Labor Day. IMO, September is the best beach weather.
So I guess I missed Betsy calling my posts inane. You’re kidding me right? I’ve Had nothing but healthy discussion with people on this blog.
Even in disagreement, I’ve always been respectful.
You quite literally have this entire blog posting against you. After awhile, you should figure out the problem isn’t everyone else, it’s you.
That being said, I’m sure Chad loves the traffic, so
keep it up I guess.
I’m curious to see how the Yanks handle calling up Montero next season. Beginning of the year? mid-season? Do they ignore arbitrational effects of calling him up?
We haven’t had a stud position player since Cano! so exciting!
I hope Andy can go six and the bullpen is reasonably well rested for Tampa Bay.
I understand they will be growing pains involved, but I can’t wait to Montero in Yankees uniform in 2011. I for one was glad that the Cliff lee deal did not work out.
I do understand the need to rest players, and have them healthy for the post season A-Rod himself has stated he is healthy, and feels well after his stint on the DL. A good ball player needs to maintain his groove, and he does that by playing most every day. If anyone on this team needed a day off, I’d think that would be Cano. Robbie is playing well, but, at times he does appear to be tired. I believe Girardi is satisfied with having won this series, and is just thinking ahead to the Tampa games. A loss today, and a Tampa win, is the same as a head-to-head loss tomorrow. When you think of the post season, where would you want to open up, at home against Texas, or on the road in MN? Me, I’d rather have the HFA, and if that makes me in the minority, so be it.
Hello Fans!
I’m here now. everyone can relax….
I love Yiddish terminlogy.
kvetch
To complain persistently and whiningly.
n.
1. A chronic, whining complainer.
2. A nagging complaint
You have to wonder if Montero started the year the way he finished, would the Mariner’s GM have been as reluctant to approve that trade proposal.
In a way, we’re lucky Montero struggled mightily early on. He was ice cold, hitting .250 at the trade deadline with huge questions about his defense and Austin Romine breathing down his neck in AA.
MTU
I’m not a statistician, but it looks like the only wild card to make it to the WS without HFA throughout and win it all were the 2003 Marlins against the Yankees, won in 6 games in YS with a 2-0 shutout by Beckett over Pettitte.
I think the Yankees will be the next wild card to win the WS without home field advantage throughout!!
Well, if anyone would know from incoherent rambling…………………
“Me, I’d rather have the HFA, and if that makes me in the minority, so be it.”
There is not one Yankee fan on this blog who doesn’t want HFA.
Bret-
If it’s one thing I learned in life it’s “Never look a gift horse in the mouth”.
Al-
We’re on the same page with respect to HFA. Minority or not.
Good in depth interview before game with Andy Pettitte and Kim Jones. Andy is such a great pro. Paraphrasing, this is what he said.
1. I can’t wait to get out there. I’m paid to pitch, I’m a man, when I don’t I feel worthless.
2. I love competing.
3. I miss being out there with my teammates, I’ve played with these guys so long. I want to contribute.
4. 80 pitches sounds about right. I threw 65 last start.
new post
might be a good time for a new topic of conversation
CB, pearls of wisdom as always.
Thanks.
I will say what I tell my daughter when her brother is irritating her – just ignore her and she’ll stop annoying you – so I suggest we drop this focus on someone here that is acting silly and annoying everyone and just move on – don’t respond to posts, don’t say anything directed towards the annoying people and perhaps they will stop and just join the actual dialogue.
Considering Tampa’s relatively easy schedule and MN’s surge, It looks to me more and more like we will be facing MN in the playoff , W/without HFA. To that note, I would like to see Yankees carry 2 lefty in the bullpen going into it. I would like to see if Ring can get out a marginal lefty to make that proposition worthwhile.
Those of you over looking the O’s today, because Tillman is pitching, could be in for a surprise. Tillman’s overall numbers are poor, based on a horrible June, but, his numbers in September, in 2 games, 12 IP, 7 hits, 4 runs, 3.00 ERA and 1.33 WHIP. He’s been much better of late, and this line-up, does look as though Girardi and Cashman are willing to settle for the WC, IMO.
If the Twins continue to surge, and win HFA, they would face the Rays, if the Rays are the WC, and the Yankees if they get the WC, so winning the division does remain important.
If anyone thinks being the road team throughout the playoffs is not going to be difficult, say so. I feel a Yankees team, playing as they are capable of, can go all the way, but, it sure will be much tougher not having HFA.