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Postgame notes: The Grandy man can

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Sep 21, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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At this point, Curtis Granderson’s slash line is basically the exact same as it was at the end of last season. He hasn’t duplicated his 2007 numbers, but he’s been more or less exactly what the Yankees must have expected when they got him. He’s shown a lot of range in the outfield, flashed some speed on the bases and hit for considerable power for a center fielder.

And he’s been terrific down the stretch. When he reworked his swing in August, Granderson tried to keep himself more compact to help make better contact. Improved power has come with it.

“It’s one of the things that’s been able to happen,” he said. “Compact the swing a little bit makes myself a little quicker, and therefore I get myself out in front of the ball. When we go ahead and keep ourselves compact, we’re out in front the right way.”

Since making those mechanical adjustments, Granderson has hit .273 with 11 home runs and 26 RBI in 37 games. Tonight he went deep twice, once to give the Yankees an early lead, and then to give them the breathing room they ultimately needed.

“It’s been real important,” Joe Girardi said. “Just the way he’s been playing, swinging the bat since he made those adjustments. He bought into it. He’s playing exteremly well. His numbers have been real good for us.”

The Yankees really couldn’t lose on the night George Steinbrenner’s monument was unveiled, and it was Granderson who made sure they didn’t.

“One thing I’ve found out being over here with the Yankees organization is they respect everyone playing hard,” Granderson said. “That’s what the owner would have liked.”

Here’s Granderson’s postgame.

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Rays Yankees Baseball• There is a report out of Ohio that Andrew Brackman has been called up. “If it is, you got he report before I did,” Girardi said. “If it happens, I’ll know tomorrow I guess.” The move wouldn’t come as much of a surprise since Brackman is already on the 40-man. It would be hard to see him playing a huge role, though. UPDATE: Josh Norris talked to Brackman who said it’s not happening.

• According to Elias, the Yankees won on the day every monument was unveiled with one exception: They lost n the day of Mickey Mantle’s dedication in 1999.

• Wouldn’t be a Yankees game in September without asking Girardi about a bullpen decision. Using Chad Gaudin in the sixth? “I liked the matchup,” Girardi said. “I liked his stuff against Upton and Bartlett, and that was the rationale basically.”

• Ivan Nova got through four scoreless innings last time, and he got through five tonight. At this rate, give him a start in the World Series and he’ll pitch a shutout. “That inning I started too slow,” Nova said. “I didn’t attack the hitters that inning. When you don’t attack the hitter, you make mistakes… You feel bad because I was pitching good the first five innings, and then one inning, boom, it’s gone. I have to keep working and try to take that away.”

Rays Yankees Baseball• The obvious question is, do those first few innings of dominance setup Nova for a bullpen role later this season and into the playoffs? “Right now we have him penciled in as a starter,” Girardi said. “Is (moving him to he bullpen) something we might possibly look at? Yes.”

• Girardi said the Yankees absolutely consider Nova a starter long-term.

• Derek Jeter had two more hits and has been a little better at the plate lately. He tied Mantle for third place on the Yankees all-time runs scored list with the 1,677th of his career tonight. Only Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig have scored more.

• Boone Logan didn’t retired any of the lefties he faced. This was his third straight appearance allowing a run after going 25 straight without a run. “He just gave up some hits off the end of the bat,” Girardi said. “It wasn’t like he was hit hard to say, OK, I’m concerned.”

• Joba Chamberlain was not available tonight.

• Francisco Cervelli went 3-for-4 and tied a career-high with three runs. According to the Yankees, this was the first time a Yankees catcher had three hits and three runs in a game since Jose Molina in 2008.

• Mariano Rivera is now 57-for-58 in save opportunities against the Rays.

• We’ll end with Derek Jeter’s take on Steinbrenner’s monument:

“It was big,” Jeter said. “Probably just how The Boss wanted it. The biggest one out there.”

Would Steinbrenner have liked that idea?

“It probably was his idea.”

Associated Press photos of Granderson with Cervelli and Jeter, Brett Gardner and Nova. You can get more pictures from tonight in our online Yankees gallery.

 
 

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99 Responses to “Postgame notes: The Grandy man can”

  1. Betsy September 21st, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Who is Joe kidding? He liked the matchup? Gaudin is not that good – he’s a bad matchup against good hitters, period. Ugh – that’s just ridiculous

    I assume Joba wasn’t available because he may need to pitch a couple of innings tomorrow, maybe pitch the 6th and 7th (hopefully we’ll have a lead).

    Granderson has been terrific, but I’m not surprised; I can see him having a huge impact in the playoffs. So much for the mediots and fans who killed the deal about 5 minutes after it happened.

    I still think there is a good shot that Nova starts in the playoffs…quite a good shot, actually.

  2. 97edwardc September 21st, 2010 at 1:06 am

    The Yankees didn’t “sign” Granderson. They traded for him. We hear enough trash about the Yankees buying their teams without our own beat reporters saying they “signed” guys they traded for.

  3. antisocial scrooge September 21st, 2010 at 1:06 am

    woo the first of the killer b’s is up. i hope.

  4. pat September 21st, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Reports of Brackman’s call-up appear to be untrue.

    jnorris427 Andrew Brackman himself says he has not been promoted, and has not heard that it will be happening.

  5. Jerkface September 21st, 2010 at 1:07 am

    He’s a bad matchup against good hitters, period.

    Upton and Bartlett are not good hitters.

  6. Carl September 21st, 2010 at 1:07 am

    I’ve been riding with the Grandy man all year. Never once wanted to trade this guy away.

    Feels good to be right again.

    The Grandy Man is now hitting .274/.369/.578 with 11 homers in 149 plate appearances since reworking his swing with Kevin Long in Texas last month. Extrapolated out over 162 games, it’s a 49 homerun pace. That’s do. — From RAB

  7. LGY September 21st, 2010 at 1:10 am

    he’s a bad matchup against good hitters

    Fixed for Jerkface.

  8. Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 1:10 am

    re-post:

    Actually, Cervelli will almost certainly be back next year because Cashman likes good citizens.

    Everyone knows he got rid of Molina becausee Jose was always trying to steal strikes with his sneaky pitch-framing. That’s a bad influence on kids who might be watching the games and Cashman pulled the plug on that ugly aspect of Jose’s game.

    Cervelli doesn’t do that, he just moves around a lot like a happy puppy.

    He’ll be back.

  9. LGY September 21st, 2010 at 1:12 am

    repost response ;)

    Everyone knows he got rid of Molina becausee Jose was always trying to steal strikes with his sneaky pitch-framing. That’s a bad influence on kids who might be watching the games and Cashman pulled the plug on that ugly aspect of Jose’s game

    ———————————————-

    Does that mean Jetes won’t be back???

  10. Betsy September 21st, 2010 at 1:17 am

    LGY, that was my comment, lol – but I like your edit.

  11. BJK September 21st, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Gaudin should not have been in a bases loaded, 2 outs, 1-run game situation. I don’t care who the batter is.

    If Robertson is OK to throw the 7th, he’s OK to put out a fire in the 6th. Girardi didn’t have a problem using Robertson there earlier in the season, I don’t see why he had one tonight.

    Gaudin is there to eat innings. He’s a long man. He’s not a situational pitcher, and he proved it tonight.

    I like Girardi, but he’s been atrocious these past couple of weeks.

  12. Betsy September 21st, 2010 at 1:20 am

    BJK, exactly

  13. Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Bad citizen, fallen idol, dream killer Jeter?

    Enjoy getting that 3,000th hit as an Astro, Cappy.

    :(

  14. theREALkevin September 21st, 2010 at 1:20 am

    lol @ jeter- “it probably WAS his idea”

  15. Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Girardi is starting to sound like Bagdad Bob.

  16. Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Or maybe Baghdad Bob.

  17. Crawdaddy September 21st, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Did the Yankees win tonight?

  18. m September 21st, 2010 at 1:30 am

    Depends on your definition of ‘win’.

  19. Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 1:32 am

    It was a moral loss; Girardi! :mad:

  20. Crawdaddy September 21st, 2010 at 1:33 am

    So much unhappiness in the Yankee Universe.

  21. Crash September 21st, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Robertson threw 23 pitches yesterday. With no Joba available Girardi was probably trying to save Robertson for the 7th. I’m sure if Joba was available he would of brought Robertson in that situation. Well its not like Robertson pitched great in the 7th. Nice job by Wood.

  22. BJK September 21st, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Crash September 21st, 2010 at 1:36 am
    Robertson threw 23 pitches yesterday. With no Joba available Girardi was probably trying to save Robertson for the 7th. I’m sure if Joba was available he would of brought Robertson in that situation. Well its not like Robertson pitched great in the 7th. Nice job by Wood.

    ————————————————————————————————————

    That is probably what he was doing. If it was, I disagree with it.

    Robertson for one batter in the 6th to put out the fire.

    Gaudin with bases empty in 7th. Or Albaladejo. Or that guy Vazquez who used to pitch every 5 days or so.

  23. pat September 21st, 2010 at 1:41 am

    And you think Girardi has bullpen issues….

    Maddon thought he was pulling Garza to have Choate face Granderson until Balfour came running in.

    Problem was he had Choate warming up in the 5th inning not the 6th. Balfour was the only pitcher warmed up and as he made his way to the mound, Maddon discovered the mistake.

    4 pitches later, 3 run HR.

  24. Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 1:42 am

    So if the Yankees win, everyone should shut up. Got it.

  25. BJK September 21st, 2010 at 1:44 am

    pat September 21st, 2010 at 1:41 am
    And you think Girardi has bullpen issues….

    Maddon thought he was pulling Garza to have Choate face Granderson until Balfour came running in.

    Problem was he had Choate warming up in the 5th inning not the 6th. Balfour was the only pitcher warmed up and as he made his way to the mound, Maddon discovered the mistake.

    4 pitches later, 3 run HR.

    ——————————————————————————————-

    Wow. Seriously?

    I was actually shocked Maddon didn’t pinch hit Aybar for Johnson when Girardi brought Logan in. You know, like when Girardi made the same mistake last time in eerily deja vu situation.

  26. m September 21st, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Hey! At least Tampa lost.

    If anything, I would’ve kept Gaudin the game and saved Robertson for later in the series. We had a 4 run cushion at the time.

  27. Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 1:46 am

    If anything, I would send Gaudin packing.

  28. Crawdaddy September 21st, 2010 at 1:47 am

    “So if the Yankees win, everyone should shut up. Got it.”

    Are you off your medication again?

  29. Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Maddon was preoccupied with picking out his next awesome travel outfit.

    It’s really gonna loosen ‘em up!

  30. Carl September 21st, 2010 at 1:48 am

    Yeah that’s so smart to do right now with a few games left in the season.

  31. BJK September 21st, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Gaudin pitched a great August. He has a place on this team.

    That place just happens to not be with the bases loaded and 2 outs in a 1-Run game against the team you are in a virtual tie with.

    That’s all I’m saying.

  32. Crash September 21st, 2010 at 1:54 am

    pat September 21st, 2010 at 1:41 am
    And you think Girardi has bullpen issues….

    Maddon thought he was pulling Garza to have Choate face Granderson until Balfour came running in.

    Problem was he had Choate warming up in the 5th inning not the 6th. Balfour was the only pitcher warmed up and as he made his way to the mound, Maddon discovered the mistake.

    4 pitches later, 3 run HR.

    ———————

    LOL thats one of the funniest things I read. Maddon is lucky he manages in a small market. If a ny manager did that fans would be calling for him to get fired.

  33. BJK September 21st, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 1:47 am
    Maddon was preoccupied with picking out his next awesome travel outfit.

    It’s really gonna loosen ‘em up!

    ————————————————————————————————-

    Maddon looks like Max Fischer’s dad.

  34. Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 1:55 am

    “Are you off your medication again.”

    Did I insult you? If not, what are you talking about?

  35. Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 1:56 am

    “Gaudin pitched a great August. He has a place on this team.

    That place just happens to not be with the bases loaded and 2 outs in a 1-Run game against the team you are in a virtual tie with.

    That’s all I’m saying.”

    That’s the point. If Girardi can’t be trusted to use him properly, the temptation to use him improperly needs to be removed.

  36. Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 1:57 am

    m makes a good point: it was fortunate we were able to capitalize on a Rays loss with a win.

  37. m September 21st, 2010 at 2:02 am

    Gaudin didn’t throw a single pitch in the World Series, no? I wouldn’t worry too much about it. He’s not even a lock for the postseason.

  38. Captain Clutch September 21st, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Only Girardi would think bringing in your worst reliever into a bases loaded situation is a receipe for success. Once Gaudin came in I figured that Robertson wasn’t available but obviously he was. He should of brought Robertson into the 6th inning and then he could of used Gaudin to pitch the 7th inning with no one on base. Girardi really scares me with the moves that he is making recently. One inning it’s a spring training game and then another inning it’s use everyone you have to try and pull out a win.

  39. Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 2:12 am

    “Gaudin didn’t throw a single pitch in the World Series, no? I wouldn’t worry too much about it. He’s not even a lock for the postseason.”

    m

    How does that excuse the way Girardi used him tonight, which was the latest in a series of inexplicable moves that he has made in recent weeks?

  40. Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 2:15 am

    Even if Guadin is on the postseason roster, it’s not like he’s the worst player the Yanks have brought to October — last year’s Guadin was worse, for example. :(

  41. BJK September 21st, 2010 at 2:18 am

    Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 2:15 am
    Even if Guadin is on the postseason roster, it’s not like he’s the worst player the Yanks have brought to October — last year’s Guadin was worse, for example.

    ————————————————————————————————

    ::insert witty Gaudin/Guadin typo comment here::

  42. Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Typo? Wait, are you saying this guy Girardi brought in with the bases loaded was Chad Gaudin????

    Yikes.

  43. BJK September 21st, 2010 at 2:29 am

    Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 2:23 am
    Typo? Wait, are you saying this guy Girardi brought in with the bases loaded was Chad Gaudin????

    Yikes.

    ——————————————————————————–

    That’ll do.

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan September 21st, 2010 at 2:59 am

    I’m not a Girardi hater, nor am I a huge fan. I think he is a middle-of-the-pack manager that makes his share of poor decisions. Why? I don’t think he has a great “natural” baseball mind. Like a Bobby Cox, a La Russa or a Jim Leyland does. It’s that simple. Anyone who thinks that Girardi won’t keep making a fair amount of poor, inexplicable decisions, like bringing Chad Gaudin in the sixth tonight, hasn’t been paying attention.

  45. Carl September 21st, 2010 at 3:17 am

    La Russa? Come on La Russa?

  46. Kimo in HI September 21st, 2010 at 5:28 am

    Hi Chad!

    Can we have a magic number count down?

    Thanks!

  47. sunny615 September 21st, 2010 at 6:01 am

    “I liked the matchup,” Girardi said. “I liked his stuff against Upton and Bartlett, and that was the rationale basically.”

    THIS is why Girardi is an idiot.

  48. RhapsodyInBlue September 21st, 2010 at 6:26 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Girardi is a middle-of-the-pack manager?

    Didn’t you bash on Granderson this past Saturday calling him mediocre?

    You are a bit over the top with your assessments.

  49. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 7:14 am

    I don’t get how no one here ever, ever, ever really enjoys a win. Two seconds of yay, we won, and then right back to carping about every little thing that didn’t go the way they think it should have been done. Not ever good enough to win; it must always be a crushing, if not a crushing shut-out.

    Nova got his double play. I think that’s fantastic. I think it helps the kid. He has shown he has a lot of talent but definitely has a hump to get over, whether that’s facing hitters for the third time, or having a difficult time re-establishing his rhythm after a long offensive inning. So the reliever Joe brought in had only to get one out. Logan’s been lights out. Logan failed. The only second guess I see warranted would be Gaudin over Robertson for one out. However, I will never understand the blithering of people saying Girardi brought in Gaudin because he’s managing to lose. Gaudin has been very good; Gaudin has been pretty bad. But I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility for him to come in and get one out, if the match-up was one that has worked in the past.

    Anyway, a handful of people kept their heads about them last night. Unfortunately, they get more and more difficult to find.

    ****

    Nice stories in today’s paper about Cashman/Torre and Torre and Mattingly making the trip in for the unveiling. All’s right in the Yankee Universe. Who knows? Maybe Torre is back next season in an off-field capacity?

  50. jacksquat September 21st, 2010 at 7:19 am

    Nova deserves more credit. He pitched a one-hitter through 5 innings against our #1 competition in mid-September. And he kind of got a raw deal in the 6th.

  51. upstate kate September 21st, 2010 at 7:25 am

    I am happy :)
    YAY Granderson!!!

  52. blake September 21st, 2010 at 7:27 am

    If the Yankees go on to have a deep run in October then that fateful moment where Granderson went to Long for help may be a big reason for it.
    Huge win last night. Really needed to win that first game to have a shot at winning the series. If they can win either today or tomorrow and get the ball to CC with a chance to take the series on Thursday then ill live with the result either way…I think that’s very a very doable situation.

    Still don’t understand how Girardi could have like that matchup with Gaudin….

  53. blake September 21st, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Doreen,

    Good morning. In fairness, that’s exactly how the guy they honored yesterday was….never satisfied, they’d win the WS and immediately hed be on to how do we win it again next year or if they lost, what can we change. It was why they won, but its also conditioned fans to be the same way….we expect sometimes unrealistic results from our team because George set the bar so high and kept it there for so long.

  54. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 7:49 am

    blake -

    But no one here owns the team. He spent his money – lots of it, and he had the right to set the goals and make demands and to behave unreasonably. But he also made a fool of himself many times. He was bombastic. Steinbrenner was a great owner, but he often was embarrassing to many people.

    And I’m sorry, blake, but when people can’t even enjoy a winning season or a winning game or a good play because they’re so focused on what didn’t go right? It’s starting to take a toll on me, for one. It’s not enough to disagree with a move by Girardi – no, it has to be how he’s an idiot, how he’s ruining the team, how he’s the worst manager in baseball, etc., etc. He’s done things that are “inexcusable” and “fireable offenses.” And if anyone suggests differently, they’re “not seeing the whole picture” or “don’t understand baseball” or is a “pollyanna.”

    I find myself in a quandry – I think it’s possible to disagree with a manager’s moves and still remain civil. I think it’s possible for a good manager to make poor decisions. But I also think that sometimes the players simply fail to execute and that always makes a manager look bad.

    I find it laughable that depending on the situation, the comments will change. “Girardi should bunt more, should play small ball more, etc.”, but when he does it’s always the wrong move – “doesn’t he know Gardner can’t bunt?” or “you can’t bunt in this situation.” He’s never going to be right. Ever.

    I don’t want to sound like I think Girardi never makes mistakes or like I think he’s got no room for improvement. But by defending the guy, it comes off as if I think nothing ever goes wrong and that’s not true. I just don’t see the need to rake a guy over the coals. That goes for the manager and for players, as well.

    Baseball is a game of failure and of ultimately succeeding by working through those failures and keeping them to a minimum and failing less than your competition.

    But mostly, I’d just like to enjoy the fact that this team wins. Expecting perfection is dooming yourself to never being able to enjoy a thing.

  55. blake September 21st, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Doreen,

    Can’t disagree with any of that. I wasn’t trying justify the way some people act…just giving an explanantion for why I think they do. I’ve said many times that I like Girardi as a manager, but as you say that doesn’t mean that I can’t disagree with him at times. I’m with you…disagreeing is fine but the manner its done in is a separate issue.

  56. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Blake-

    I kept asking myself why I didn’t feel better than I did after last night’s win and after a while I realized it was for several reasons.

    Their play was sloppy- Cervelli’s interference call, Tex’s 1st base play, etc.

    They should have put up even more runs. Too many missed opportunities.

    Some more bizarre mangerial work- i.e. the Gaudin move.

    That’s the glass half empty view.

    Glass half-full is an offense that was alive, a clutch game by CG, and a great performance by Nova in a pressure situation.

    If they want to take 3 of 4 they are going to have to play crisper ball, and Joe G. is going to have to make better decisions.

  57. sevrox September 21st, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Folks are a bit edgy due to the past two weeks.

    Or they’re just naturally edgy. Not Jeter Ford Edgy – just edgy. Times we live in or something like that.

    Regardless, I’m thinking S W E E P . Gonna ride this good vibe straight into October.

    Optimistic enou’ for ye?

  58. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 8:00 am

    blake –

    Understood.

  59. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Blake-

    And one more item than has irked me all season.

    How does a guy like GGBG, with his speed, ever get out of the minors w/o being able to bunt well ? That’s fundamentally bizarre.

    It’s like telling a Cheetah is OK to be be fast but you can’t use your claws to capture prey only your teeth. :)

  60. upstate kate September 21st, 2010 at 8:02 am

    I understand what you mean Doreen
    I felt the same way after the game the Yankees won thanks to the Golson catch. I was so thrilled for him. The first comments I read that morning were not about his great catch, but what a terrible mananger Girardi is.
    I certainly think Girardi makes some questionable moves, sometimes they work, sometimes not so much. At least he didn’t bring in a righty to face Granderson by mistake like Maddon did!!

  61. SJ44 September 21st, 2010 at 8:06 am

    The difficulty is the inconsistency of all the moves.

    Like it or not, it’s cost the team 4-5 games this month.

    Games that if they were in the win column right now, he could rest everybody.

    If rest and protecting players is the #1 priority (am I’m not saying it’s a bad thing) then, regardless of the game situation, Robertson, Wood or Rivera should not throw a pitch over the next 2 days.

    All three guys looked to be on fumes last night.

    He has an expanded roster, use it.

    The problem some of us are having is the complete inconsistency in his moves this month.

    It’s almost as if he changes his mind (go for it it hold back) game to game.

    You can’t do that.

    If the plan is to rest guys, then rest guys.

    If the plan is to go for it then, go for it.

    Just stop doing it halfway.

    In case folks haven’t noticed yet, by doing it halfway, he’s exhausting his bullpen more (especially with the key guys) than if he just played it straight.

  62. austinmac September 21st, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Doreen,

    I agree completely. Baseball is a game that we presumably watch for our pleasure. Winning a key game is fun. Enjoy it. Enjoy Granderson’s renewal, Wood’s scoreless innings and Jeter starting to hit again. Be glad your team is good. Most fans have it otherwise.

  63. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Thanks, kate.

    Can you imagine? Hey, maybe Girardi thought it was Robertson he was bringing in and not Gaudin? :lol:

    *****
    I’m really starting to feel like I don’t belong here anymore. :(

    My way is to try and see the positive; I do it in life, and I do it here. There’s so much strife and anxiety in the world at large and on a personal level, and my natural response is always to try and make it better, or at least trying to see, yes, the silver lining. I acknowledge the clouds, but I have a difficult time, I guess, understanding how some people ONLY look for the grey clouds.

  64. SJ44 September 21st, 2010 at 8:14 am

    MTU,

    It’s hard to know how to view last nights game.

    I call it the “Weirdness of the Wikd Card”.

    One would think this series would have everything you want in a pennant race.

    Fact is though, it’s not a pennant race. Both teams know they are going to the playoffs.

    Only thing we do know is that the Yankees don’t care what seat they are in for the playoffs, they just want to be in and as healthy as possible.

    On the other hand, Tampa has made it clear they want to win the division.

    Which philosophy is best? Time will tell.

    I just don’t think you can sit on the fence. Either go for it or not and be committed to either stance.

    Either way, because of the WC, I think it takes the luster off this series quite a bit.

  65. upstate kate September 21st, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Oh I agree with what you are saying SJ, I am not a pom pom waver and don’t think Girardi should never be criticized. But I totally agree w/ Doreen, it would be nice to enjoy a win.

  66. blake September 21st, 2010 at 8:16 am

    MTU,
    It was a sloppy game…but I guess sometimes you have to win sloppy.

    Its all technique with Gardner and is definitly something he could and should improve upon this winter. He’s been so good this year but with the type of player he is that has to be incorportated into his skill set.

  67. austinmac September 21st, 2010 at 8:20 am

    I think we will see Vasquez tonight out of the pen with a number or relievers likely out. He will be pitching for a post-season roster spot.

  68. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 8:22 am

    SJ44 -

    I get that. I do. And I realize in the heat of a game, things are said in a more “emotional” tone. And I do realize that some of Girardi’s moves have been quite fair game for first- second- and third- guessing. But perhaps 3 or 4 of those one-run losses were winnable with a well-timed base hit by ANYONE in the lineup, much less guys like Jeter and Tex. As much as Girardi’s moves, just one hit in each of those losses would have saved the bullpen from extra work. Plus, Mo blew two saves, which no one ever expects – and that brought the games into extra innings. And starting pitching being able to go past 5 innings would have helped, too.

    What I’m getting at is it’s not JUST Girardi – it’s a lot of things not clicking on that road trip. I guess I want to spread the “blame” a little. And it’s not the second guessing of the manager I object to – that’s what we do as fans (even if it seems to the world that I do not); it’s the hyperbole, the over-the-topness of it. That and the fact that even if the feeling is relief rather than euphoria, once a game is in the win column, can’t it be at least somewhat relished?

  69. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:22 am

    SJ-

    You and I have been on the same page lately.

    IMO the greater the HFA the Yankees can have the better off they are going to be. The splits are significant this season.

    I liked your 2000 team analogy.

    They have everyone rested as much as could be expected at this point in time.

    It’s time to go b*lls to the wall. That’s my take.

    But you are absolutely correct that it isn’t necessarily the Yankees POV.

    One thing is for sure. The sloppy play, missed opprotunities, and bizarro managerial moves need to stop.

  70. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 8:28 am

    SJ44 -

    I agree – the weirdness of the Wild Card, indeed. This situation with the Rays and Yankees is interesting.

    The Wild Card was supposed to give second place teams hope and drive – a chance for the playoffs even if they couldn’t win the division.

    But this season, we’re definitely seeing the other side to that. Because there’s no real benefit to NOT being the wild card (unless you’re a true believer in baseball HFA, which I am not), a team that knows it can be in the playoffs either as a division winner or a wild card has no real incentive to push for the top spot. And in the case of the Yankees, the Wild Card is a safety net and not a goal – it’s a negative push, rather than a positive one, if you will – a fall back, not a goal. It’s supposed to be a goal.

    I’ll bet dollars to donuts that if the Yankees take the wild card and not the division, and if they manage to go far in the playoffs, get to or win the WS, they will make changes NEXT SEASON to the way the wild card is handled. Just like they changed the schedule this year to make sure it would not necessarily to a team’s advantage to use only 3 starters in the playoffs, due to the griping last year in response to the Yankees successfully maneuvering the post season with 3 starters.

  71. blake September 21st, 2010 at 8:31 am

    I think Tampa can afford to go all out for the division a bit more because they are a younger and less injuried team..

  72. upstate kate September 21st, 2010 at 8:33 am

    last year the wild card situation was similar. The red sox knew they were going to the play offs and didn’t have a chance to win the division, so they played accordingly, resting guys for the post season.

  73. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Doreen-

    The likelihood of a WC team winning the WS is significantly lower than a team which has HFA through most of the playoffs IMO.

    For me, that is factual. Others minimize it’s importance.

    And it is also quite plain that the Yankees are a significantly better team at home than on the road this year. That isn’t always the case but it is this year.

    That is what drives my current POV.

  74. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Kate-

    And the result of all that rest was……

  75. upstate kate September 21st, 2010 at 8:37 am

    of course the real benefit of HFA is if the series goes to the 5th or 7th game. If they win earlier in the series it wont matter.

  76. upstate kate September 21st, 2010 at 8:38 am

    different team MTU!!! I am not saying it is a recipe for success :)

  77. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 21st, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Play today, WIN today !

  78. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Kate-

    You can’t count on that. You have to try to maximize your edge IMO.

    These teams are very closely matched this year.

    Anything is possible but you want to increase your chances for success.

  79. upstate kate September 21st, 2010 at 8:43 am

    personally MTU I would like the Yankees to win the AL east

  80. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Blake-

    It’s true that the Rays are a younger team.

    But everybody is tired at this point in the season and everyone is banged up.

    The Yankee players have been given more rest than most.

    They should be playing for HFA not the WC IMHO.

    It’s time to pour it on. They’ll have plenty of time to rest in the off season.

    SJ is right. we’ll see which philosophy is the correct one.

    I hope they are right and I am completely wrong. :)

  81. 108 stitches September 21st, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Mitre, Vazquez, and Mosely haven’t been seen for awhile. Very little of Albaladejo. No appearance yet for Royce Ring.
    Nova seems to be playoff roster bound and Girardi seems to have trust in Gaudin. Until clinching time arrives, it’s a mystery for who will make up the bullpen. Mariano, Wood, Robertson, Chamberlain, and Logan are locks. A few are on the bubble.

  82. Erica in NY September 21st, 2010 at 8:48 am

    The Yankees Magic Number to clinch the division is now 12 :grin:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/spor.....s-beer.jpg

  83. disco stu September 21st, 2010 at 8:48 am

    “ll bet dollars to donuts that if the Yankees take the wild card and not the division, and if they manage to go far in the playoffs, get to or win the WS, they will make changes NEXT SEASON to the way the wild card is handled. Just like they changed the schedule this year to make sure it would not necessarily to a team’s advantage to use only 3 starters in the playoffs, due to the griping last year in response to the Yankees successfully maneuvering the post season with 3 starters.”

    There have been rumblings for years about changing the playoff format to put the wild card winners at more of a disadvantage. I dont think that just because the Yankees could theoretically win a WS as a Wild Card this year 2010 will change the those at MLB who have to know by now that playoff needs to be improved.

    From 2002 thru 2007 at least 1 wild card winner made it to the World Series each year (2 won the WS – Angles in ’02 and Red Sox in ’04) and in none of those years were the Yankees a Wild Card winner.

  84. blake September 21st, 2010 at 8:49 am

    MTU,

    Sweeping the Rays would give them the best shot at doing both….

  85. SJ44 September 21st, 2010 at 8:49 am

    It a weird dynamic because this team isn’t as good an offensive team on the road.

    If last nights game was in Tampa, they score three runs, hit into 3-4 DP’s and have another 2-15 night with RIP.

    OTOH, if the team is beat up, going for the division doesn’t help if guys are too beat up to contribute in the post-season.

    You end up wrestling with the fact that although this team is much better at home than on the road, a full sprint to HFA probably isn’t wise at this point.

    Meaning, this team is going to have to figure out a way to win at least one road game in each post-season series.

  86. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 8:50 am

    MTU -

    My position is that if the Yankees can split on the road and win at home, it will work out. Even though the splits offensively for the Yankees are not good this year, up until the last road trip (I haven’t looked at the numbers since right before that trip), the Yankees were second only to the Rays in road wins. So even though they’re not scoring as many runs and are not as offensively strong on the road as at home, they are still a team that is capable of winning on the road.

    I would like to go back at some point at look at the road records of prior WC teams. The Red Sox, for instance, are incredibly different at home and on the road. The Yankees are closer to being consistent record-wise. It would make sense that a team that does not have a winning record on the road would be at a disadvantage in a WC situation. I don’t think the Yankees stand to have as much disadvantage. They are (or were prior to the last road trip) a better than .500 team on the road.

    So, my reasoning is, if they can play .500 on the road, they can win despite not having the HFA, which in my mind really swings in baseball. In a 7 game series, the Yankees would have 3 consecutive games at home. To me, that’s big. And always seemed, a better advantage than 2 and 2 at home, because games don’t always go the full 7.

    But I understand the trepidation given the difference in offensive production this year.

  87. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:52 am

    SJ-

    All teams are beat up at this point in the season.

    But I understand what you’re saying.

    It’s a reason for the Yankees to continue their youth movement.

    Need year we add Montero to the mix.

  88. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 8:53 am

    disco stu -

    I am in favor of changing the way the WC stuff is done. I’m just saying that there’s a good chance if the Yankees are able to use it to their advantage, any talked about changes will be expedited, that’s all. :) (Because things just seem to go that way)

  89. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Blake-

    Absolutely ! But I’ll settle for 3 of 4. :)

  90. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Doreen-

    I understand what you’re saying but I’m just not buyin’ it. ;)

  91. JM September 21st, 2010 at 8:57 am

    They don’t give style points for wins. This isn’t figure skating. A win is a win and last night’s was a very big one.

    It will be interesting to see who is available in the bullpen tonight. Seems like Mitre has not pitched in a long time. Hughes is going to have to give them some length tonight.

  92. MTU September 21st, 2010 at 8:57 am

    edit: Next not need. sorry. it’s early.

  93. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 8:58 am

    MTU -

    :)

  94. ac1 September 21st, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Like a Bobby Cox, a La Russa or a Jim Leyland does
    __

    what i get from this is decisions get better the longer you manage. Joe is only in his 4th year managing (3rd in NY). So he is a matchups guy. As time goes on, he will learn to go with a gut feeling, but until then, he is going to make some moved that seem odd and we hope they work out.

    BUT

    He is hardly the only one making bad decisions in MLB.

  95. pat September 21st, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Rays owner all but said yesterday that hanging an AL East banner in their stadium gives them credibility.

    To what lengths do you go to for a banner?

    Garza is telling the media he isn’t 100% healthy. Maddon is telling the media Garza is 100% healthy. Can you imagine that scenario in NY?

    Is a banner worth riding your likely game 2 starter rather than letting him get healthier for the postseason all because of a banner?

  96. Fran the original September 21st, 2010 at 9:09 am

    While I would like the Yankees to win the AL East, to me the most important thing is getting to the playoffs healthy. If that means the Wild Card, so be it.

  97. Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 9:09 am

    pat -

    Are they still trying to get a new stadium built for the Rays?

    Your post is very interesting.

    I think there is no “right” or “wrong” here, just what is perceived to be what is in the best interests of either team as dictated by the situations each team finds itself in.

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan September 21st, 2010 at 10:09 am

    RhapsodyInBlue
    September 21st, 2010 at 6:26 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan, Girardi is a middle-of-the-pack manager? Didn’t you bash on Granderson this past Saturday calling him mediocre? You are a bit over the top with your assessments.

    —————————————

    I do think Girardi is an average manager at best. I don’t see his strategy or baseball IQ winning many games and I see him losing more than a few with questionable lineups, moves, micro-managing, etc. I’m not saying he’s the worst manager out there, but he certainly IMO isn’t the best.

    As far as Granderson is concerned, you’ll just have to excuse me when I don’t get too excited about a player that is hitting in the .240′s with a .326 OBP in September. He has been very good lately. We’ll see how he does the rest of the way and in the post-season.

  99. RhapsodyInBlue September 21st, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    No problem, consider the source, your an average poster at best.


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