Yankees go with A lineup tonight
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 21, 2010 
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Brian Heyman is covering for me tonight, but here’s the Yankees lineup. Also, Sweeny Murti is reporting that Andrew Brackman, Jesus Montero and Dellin Betances will join the Yankees to get a feel for life in the big leagues.
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Lance Berkman DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Brett Gardner LF
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Given my handle, I am not one for fawning at the feet of George Steinbrenner. However, I can’t understand why people don’t grasp the current situation. Not just the greatest owner of any franchise in the past 30 years, but a beloved father and husband, has just died and his family has chosen to honor him in the best way they see fit. This plaque/monument (or whatever you want to call it) is a touching sentiment by the family of George Steinbrenner designed to express their feelings towards him not just as owner of the Yankees but as patriarch of their family. Seeing as how the Steinbrenners still own the Yankees, they are free to use the organization as a vehicle to project those emotions. I, for one, am thankful that the Yankees have had such great owners in the past (sans CBS) and will continue to be thankful that George’s offspring so clearly care about his legacy as well as the organization the way they do. I only hope that those who are critical of the Steinbrenner’s devotion care to think of what it would feel like to have their decisions publicly disparaged during a time of great grief and sorrow.
Just got it from Damon Oppenheimer that Montero will be joining Betances and Brackman. He will also be inactive.
Here comes the wave of clamoring for Montero to catch until September’s end…
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I do not want to encourage the raving lunatic, but it would be nice if all of us fans gave GMS his long overdue respect and thanks. This is a time for appreciation, not nit-picking.
…despite being inactive.
forgot that part. oops.
Not a bad lineup at all………
Time to start using the playoff roster!
I guess “rest time” is over!!!!!
Jason Voorhees September 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Here comes the wave of clamoring for Montero to catch until September?s end?
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No no no no no no no
We only just reached a consensus that Posada should be catching. LOL
Does the info about Betances, Montero and Brackman mean that they will be “hazed” when the Yankees go on the road to Toronto? If so, the Yankees will have to come up with some very large costumes for those three.
I hope Joe sticks to his guns tonight and under no circumstances uses Robertson, Logan, Wood or Mo tonight.
Those 4 guys need a break and that’s more important than this game.
I’m not sure what to make of this lineup…have we ever seen this before?
When was the last time this lineup was introduced? ::)
why drop granderson to 2nd
8th i mean
it looks like this is the Yankees ‘A’ lineup for the postseason, at least against right handed pitchers. It will be interesting to see how they do against Shields tonight, he’s pitched very well the last two starts against them in St. Pete. Being able to bat Grandy in the 8 hole is a real luxury for a manager.
The Rookie “hazing” should be based on “GWTW”. Montero as “Scarlett, Brackman as “Rhett Butler” and Betances as Ms Melanie.
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MG-
In 1912 the yankees had a .329 winning percentage and finished 50 games out of first place. 1913- .377 winning % 38 games out. 1914- .455 winning % 30 games out. 1915- .454 and 32g games out.
They had won almost nothing. There was no history and no real tradition. They were a desolate franchise with no real prospects that didn’t even look like they were going to survive. NY City wasn’t even close to as important as it is now.
That’s the team that Jacob Ruppert purchased.
It’s remarkable to me that many Yankee fans have no idea about the weight of this history and how bad it was and what Ruppert, Huggins and most of all Ruth did for this franchise and how they saved it.
SJ,
Agree, none of those guys should pitch tonight. I’d probably go Hughes for as long as he can, then try and use Javy, Mitre, Joba etc…
I’m officially coining the word “plaqument”
There’s supposed to be an umlaut over the “u” which I hope would make its proper pronunciation /Plak/You/Ment/ but I’ll have to confer with the experts before announcing the official spelling.
By the way don’t bother hitting me back with “monuplaque”
I’m all for skipping Wood, Robertson and Logan. If they lose becaue of it, so be it. I wouldn’t mind seeing Alby – or Moseley; he’s the forgotten man – and he pitched very well in Texas.
“It’s remarkable to me that many Yankee fans have no idea about the weight of this history and how bad it was and what Ruppert, Huggins and most of all Ruth did for this franchise and how they saved it.”
In reality, Ruppert, Huggins, and Ruth built the Yankees.
Steinbrenner saved them and renovated them.
If you want to argue which is better…
Betsy September 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm
I?m all for skipping Wood, Robertson and Logan. If they lose becaue of it, so be it. I wouldn?t mind seeing Alby ? or Moseley; he?s the forgotten man ? and he pitched very well in Texas.
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You’re right. I forgot about Moseley
He certainly fell out of favor… hmmmm
CB September 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
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MG-
In 1912 the yankees had a .329 winning percentage and finished 50 games out of first place. 1913- .377 winning % 38 games out. 1914- .455 winning % 30 games out. 1915- .454 and 32g games out.
They had won almost nothing. There was no history and no real tradition. They were a desolate franchise with no real prospects that didn’t even look like they were going to survive. NY City wasn’t even close to as important as it is now.
That’s the team that Jacob Ruppert purchased.
It’s remarkable to me that many Yankee fans have no idea about the weight of this history and how bad it was and what Ruppert, Huggins and most of all Ruth did for this franchise and how they saved it.
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CB, that’s all very true but don’t you know that it was an umpiring conspiracy that kept them from winning even back then?
The yankees offense has had it’s rough spots. But watching Tampa play – and not just in their series against the yanks – that offense has had many of the same problems only more so than the yanks.
Tamps just doesn’t generate base hits. If the pitcher doesn’t walk them or doesn’t make mistakes on command that they can turn into home runs that’s a line up that can really struggle.
I could see the Twins doing very well aginst the Rays in the playoffs.
Granderson is 2 for 29 lifetime vs. Shields; that’s why he’s batting 8th
The Rookie “hazing” should be based on “GWTW”. Montero as “Scarlett, Brackman as “Rhett Butler” and Betances as Ms Melanie.
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GB, Don’t forget that Ivan Nova, Kevin Russo, Eduardo Nunez and Colin Curtis are in line for the hazing. I wonder if the veterans have big plans for the hazing and needed 3 more guys to complete the “cast”.
Erica, go figure………….Alby hasn’t pitched since the 12th, Javy since the 10th and Moseley since he started. Moseley’s pitched well for the Yankees…………
while the Yankees of the late ’60s were pretty bad the team had progressed in the early 70s to mediocre while developing talents such as Thurman Munson and Bobby Murcer. They had even won 93 games in 1970 and finished 2nd to the Orioles, who were a great team in those days.
Steinbrenner inherited a team on the rise and the combination of an experienced baseball guy (Gabe Paul) and free agency was able to build the team that dominated in the last ’70s. But the teams of the mid to late ’80s and early ’90s were far worse than the teams of the late ’60s’, trust me, I saw both of them.
We are going to SMOKE those Rays tonight and start putting some real distance between us !
I’m all for skipping Wood, Robertson and Logan. If they lose becaue of it, so be it. I wouldn’t mind seeing Alby – or Moseley; he’s the forgotten man – and he pitched very well in Texas.
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Betsy, I agree!!! We used to beat up Joe Torre for overworking the bullpen before the playoffs. I don’t want this team to experience the same problem. We have a playoff spot locked up and will need for the bullpen to be in tip-top shape. I’d rather throw away a game or two now, even if it means we get the wildcard. I simply feel that Girardi has been riding the bullpen a little too hard the last 2 or 3 weeks…its time to back off.
Sometimes its cool hearing about the history of the franchise from people that were around for it. My dad was/is a big fan, his brothers even named him after the Mick (they picked the name Michael.. I guess I’d rather have my dad be Michael than Mickey though…), but he doesn’t talk a lot about what the organization was like back then.
Steinbrenner saved them? Yes and no.
Yes, he saved them from CBS.
No, he didn’t save them completely. Stick and Buck saved them from George.
Which, truth be told, is as significant to the franchise as George saving them from CBS.
To be fair, Lonn Trost and Randy Levine have had a lot to do with the economic engine the Yankees have become.
George deserves enormous credit for hiring those guys and allowing them to do their jobs.
Part of his charm was that he was such a compelling and complicated man.
Its why discussing his legacy isn’t as black and white as some fans want it to be.
The original Yankees were moved from Baltimore after being bought by a gambler, Frank Farrell and a NYC police chief, Bill Devery. How crooked and dishonest were they? Enough to let Hal Chance run the team as first baseman, team captain and manager while knowing that the guy was known to throw games and to be finally barred from baseball because of his part as go-between with Abe Rothstein, the gamblers and the players in 1919.
I’m bored and not much else to talk about since “Monumentgate” has been worn out and tiresome.
Not a big thing, but I would have liked to see Marcus Thames play tonight.
Don’t know how comfortable Shields would be using his change up against a RH hitter with Thames power.
Playing more LH hitters only plays into Shields greatest strength – that change up which is his only true plus pitch. That change up can have a lot of arm side fade which makes it difficult for LH hitters to reach unless they have very good pitch recognition and strong plate coverage.
For the season Shields has a .757 OPS against LH batters and an .870 OPS against RH batters.
The league has caught up to Shields some. He’s got that one pitch – if you can take it away he’s in trouble.
Part of the reason why the yankees struggle against change ups is because they have so many switch hitters.
Now that is a circular lineup. This is the World Series lineup. Now we have to produce and on the lighter side where is the forgetable Nick Johnson. Do you remember this ghost?
JPB, yep. He rests his regular players, but not the pen. Moseley is in the doghouse for some reason while Gaudin is a favorite son. Alby hasn’t pitched at all…………….either has Javy. I can’t figure it out.
Holy Legit Major League Lineup Batman!!!!!!!!!
RE: SJ’s comment on Brett Gardner potentially saving the Yankees $100M (saved cost of Carl Crawford) – that goes a long way in understanding why Hal is in Cash’s corner.
jnorris427 Oppenheimer told me that Brackman will be active, contrary to what I got earlier. Very interesting day, to say the least
“But the teams of the mid to late ’80s and early ’90s were far worse than the teams of the late ’60s’, trust me, I saw both of them.”
Thank you for saying this. It gets very tiring to hear the myriad of yankee fans who happened to come of age in the late 1960′s talk about that period of time as if it were the single bleakest period in the franchise’s history and had no parallel with any other period of history. In turn no other yankees fans can possibly understand the torment that this generation went through.
Before Ruppert bought the team and the late 1980′s/ early 1990′s were worse.
jpb173 September 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm
The Rookie “hazing” should be based on “GWTW”. Montero as “Scarlett, Brackman as “Rhett Butler” and Betances as Ms Melanie.
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GB, Don’t forget that Ivan Nova, Kevin Russo, Eduardo Nunez and Colin Curtis are in line for the hazing. I wonder if the veterans have big plans for the hazing and needed 3 more guys to complete the “cast”.
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Nova as “Aunt Pitty-Pat”, Curtis and Nunez as the “Tarlton Twins”, Sanchez as “Ashley Wilkes” and Russo as “Belle”. Mammy and Prissy were traded off.
Betsy Albaladejo has pitched four times in September.
That’s ***Hal Chase**** not Hal Chance.
Looking at the bottom of the lineup, with the lefties, Maddon may finally find Choate tonight. If so, I hope Berkman tries batting LH against him. He sure isn’t doing much RH. I read where Berkman even hinted at that himself.
Let’s Go Yankees!!!
Nothing wrong with the A line-up tonight.
I like this talk about Girardi leaving. I don’t hate him but we could do better.
Mike Francessa just reported that the Yankees have brought up LEFT handed reliever Andrew Brackman…
How much does this clown make a year?
YankeesWFAN Girardi just indicated none of the players (Betances, Brackman, Montero) would be active. However Brackman is on the 40 man, I am told it is possible he will see action
So instead of pining for Montero to catch which is impossible, people will probably now pine for Brackman to come in out of the bullpen, at least after a few more Chad Gaudin appearances.
It’ll be interesting to see if Brackman gets any game time. He’s come a long way in a year but still is very raw.
Would be fun to see but we can’t expect too much given where his is in his development cycle.
It’s good to see Brackman, Betances and Montero spending time with the big club.
# Cashman needs to go September 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Mike Francessa just reported that the Yankees have brought up LEFT handed reliever Andrew Brackman…
How much does this clown make a year?
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lol
Never mentioned Betances either. Probably never heard of him.
CB September 21st, 2010 at 4:10 pm
“But the teams of the mid to late ’80s and early ’90s were far worse than the teams of the late ’60s’, trust me, I saw both of them.”
Thank you for saying this. It gets very tiring to hear the myriad of yankee fans who happened to come of age in the late 1960’s talk about that period of time as if it were the single bleakest period in the franchise’s history and had no parallel with any other period of history. In turn no other yankees fans can possibly understand the torment that this generation went through.
Before Ruppert bought the team and the late 1980’s/ early 1990’s were worse.
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it was really the teams of the early ’90s that were the worst ones I’ve ever seen, they basically had no chance. In the mid ’80s the teams were always competitive but just never were able to get over the hump. That was really too bad because I was a big fan of both Dave Winfield and Donnie Baseball…
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Monument Park is a complicated subject. No real standard was ever established for being on a plaque and numbers retired.
For example, Reggie Jackson had only a 5-year career as a Yankee yet because of one spectacular World Series in 1977, he’s out there.
Billy Martin had a .257 lifetime average with a few teams during his playing career and a few rings as a Yankee player and just one as a manager. He’s out there.
Long ago a large plaque should have been made up and inscribed as “Significant Yankees” showing their name and the years as a Yankee. Many names would be on that plaque including Tommy Henrich, Hank Bauer, Bill Skowron, Vic Raschi, and so many others such as Paul O’Neil, Tino Martinez among the many.
If No. 21 is supposedly retired (?) so should No. 24. Tino was just as significant as Paul was.
To have a number retired should be for long time Yankees with Hall of Fame credentials not because they had a certain popularity.
I break out in a rash thinking about the teams of the late 80′s-early 90′s.
It was that ugly.
As low as the franchise has ever been.
Re Brackman…….
Once the Yankees clinch a post-season spot, I’d love to see Brackman in a game.
Perhaps next week in Boston.
It would be cool to see how far he has come this year.
And we finally have an October lineup out there tonight. That is what it is going to look like next month. The “A” lineup. Boys and Girls, Lets Play Ball!!
The mid-80′s teams had no pitching whatsoever………..
jeers-
Those terms sound like something your Dentist tells you when you need a cleaning bad.
Lol.. I’m so glad my earliest memories of the Yankees are only of them winning.
CB September 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm
The yankees offense has had it’s rough spots. But watching Tampa play – and not just in their series against the yanks – that offense has had many of the same problems only more so than the yanks.
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Its not a fluke that they have been no hit twice this year and once last year, and have come real close to getting no hit a few more times this year –
if it wasn’t for ALOT of late inning clutch hits by their benchwarmers/scrubs (see brignac, reid; joyce, matt; johnson, dan; aybar, willy) the yankees would be comfortably in first place at this point in the season
the only thing the rays have that is better than the yankees is a productive bench
RiverAveBlues A very cursory look reveals that, for the first time since August 8, the Yanks are playing the A lineup
I know the history of the Yankees, but George really did change their fortunes in the modern era of baseball. Perhaps there should have been plaques of other owners, however, this is 2010, and the Steinbrenner family is going to try to continue the tradition of their father. I imagine the plaque will be adhered to the wall when the Yankees are not in town. It has only been 3 months. If it was in poor taste to put up such a big monument to their father so be it, it is not worth discussing all day.
Someone said this morning that it bothered them more that Reggie Jackson’s number was retired. I agree. He was not a Yankee in the tradition of the others so honored and is in the HOF as an Oakland A.
“JPB, yep. He rests his regular players, but not the pen. Moseley is in the doghouse for some reason while Gaudin is a favorite son. Alby hasn’t pitched at all…………….either has Javy. I can’t figure it out.”
Because all the games we’ve played the last 2 weeks have been close. A very odd occurrence – only 1 blowout (win or loss) since Labor Day Sunday. We’ve played 9 1-run games in our last 13 games.
Of course, doesn’t explain why he is using Gaudin, but they have been in situations for 2 weeks where the relievers had basically no room for error.
Also, Vazquez/Mosely were not available for 4-5 days after they started.
Those late 80s, early 90s teams were brutal. I laugh at myself now playing Baseball Stars on Nintendo and thinking my team was stacked with the pitching staff of Wade Taylor, Jeff Johnstone, Clay Parker, Andy Hawkins and Dave LaPoint….hahahahaha! I also had a young Jim Leyritz and Hensley “Bam Bam” Meulens in the lineup with those teams you could create.
Those teams were wretched, no one came to the stadium and The Boss was booed relentlessly. Ah, the formative years of my baseball fandom. I guess its the reason there were tears of joy in my eyes when they won the World Series in 1996. Watching those other teams made me think it would never happen again (I was born in 79).
The 89-91 even 92 teams weren’t even professional. They were teams filled with replacement level players who had no chance of winning.
And how that was going to change given the anarchy in the organization was very unclear at the time.
The 3 major periods of prosperity for the yankees over the past 40 years have been clearly set up by Gabe Paul, Stick Michael and Brian Cashman being given the autonomy and authority to run the baseball side of things.
“He was not a Yankee in the tradition of the others so honored and is in the HOF as an Oakland A.”
Actually, Reggie’s plaque in the HOF depicts him with a Yankee cap.
Andy Hawkins
Clay Parker
Greg Cadaret
Dave LaPoint
Walt Terrell
Your 1989 New York Yankees starting rotation.
MG, what is worse is that Cadaret, along with Polonia and Plunk were the gems the Yankees got for Rickey Henderson!
CB September 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pm
The 89-91 even 92 teams weren’t even professional. They were teams filled with replacement level players who had no chance of winning.
And how that was going to change given the anarchy in the organization was very unclear at the time.
The 3 major periods of prosperity for the yankees over the past 40 years have been clearly set up by Gabe Paul, Stick Michael and Brian Cashman being given the autonomy and authority to run the baseball side of things.
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Anyone remember the play where bobby meachem and dale berra (wow he totally missed out on his daddy’s DNA) got tagged out at home plate within milli-seconds of each other?
I was very young then, but the early 70s Yankees were lousy. Lots of Horace Clarke (who, truth be told, wasn’t awful) and Celerino Sanchez. The bright lights were Murcer, Munson, White and Stottlemeyer. My first Yankees game was in the old stadium — a doubleheader against the White Sox in ’72.
They gradually added pieces (Piniella, Nettles, Chambliss, Rivers, Randolph, Hunter, etc.) and were a force by ’76.
Andy Hawkins lost his no-hitter in Chicago, lol
LOL I haven’t heard the name Clay Parker in years…………..wow.
Greg Maddux did not want to be a part of rebuilding this team, but Jimmy Key did and I will always have a special place in my Yankee heart for him. I think he’s completely out of baseball now, but he was a darned good pitcher. I wonder if he’s ever been invited to Old Timer’s Day?
108 Stitches,
You make a very good point. It would be nice if there was a large plaque honoring guys like that. They were terrific players on great teams. I love Paul O’Neill and do think he was more important to the Yankees than Tino Martinez, my opinion only. On that kind of plaque you could add names of players as they retire who were terrific but just a cut shy of a retired number.
Kay said he wouldn’t be shocked if Torre came back if Girardi left.
Sounds upset at the prospect of it.
One of the worst parts of GMS’s ego that matched R. Jackson’s was being able to buy Jackson’s HOF entry as a Yankee for the cost of a lifetime job. Dave Winfield was more of a Yankee than Jackson was…the difference was that Winfield couldn’t be bought off.
the Yankees used 16 different starting pitchers in 1989 including Tommy John and John Candelaria, both well over the hill (Tommy John was 46 years old).
Bob Shirley – Joe Cowley (not the Chicago sportswriter, lol). I think Cowley had an 8 walk no-hitter…….
I did love Mike Stanley – LOVED him. I also loved Babe Hassey………..
Donnie, Willie and Winnie were my favorites……..and Key, but he came later.
“what is worse is that Cadaret, along with Polonia and Plunk were the gems the Yankees got for Rickey Henderson!”
I was going to say the same thing! I remember how Caderet was sold as the “power arm” the yankees were lacking for so long. How LaPoint was going to be the veteran presence to solidify the rotation.
My goodness – that was horrendous. It’s ugly just to think that was a staff going into the season.
The Trenton AA staff this year was better than that ’89 staff.
I’m upset knowing that Kay will be back next year.
Kay is nuts – Torre’s time has come and gone. Kay also spent time blathering (apparently, because after 1 minute, I shut his show off yesterday) about how Torre and Mattingly should not have been there last night. Kay is a nice guy personally, but I’ve had it with him on-air. Last year he said he was thrilled that Mussina never got a ring; we all know he hates Moose, but I thought that was beyond unprofessional.
I’m pretty sure I remember it right and I’m sure that baseball-reference or a site like that can confirm it, but, I think in a game against the Royals Rick Rhoden was the DH on one of those teams
Eric Plunk – didn’t he have ridiculously huge glasses?
Wade Taylor later went on to scout for the Yankees; he was fired a couple of years ago.
did someone mentioned our team? when we anchored the best bullpen in the american league east?
In all honesty, Steve Farr and Steve Howe weren’t that bad. It’s amazing that Don Mattingly didnt vomit every time he entered that clubhouse and i think its why he is so beloved by yankee fans.
did oscar gamble have to cut his afro when he came to the yankees? i was too young to remember
“One of the worst parts of GMS’s ego that matched R. Jackson’s was being able to buy Jackson’s HOF entry as a Yankee for the cost of a lifetime job. Dave Winfield was more of a Yankee than Jackson was…the difference was that Winfield couldn’t be bought off.”
No doubt.
They way they glorify Jackson, as if he is a Yankee legend, is a joke.
The thing that makes GMS stand out, to me, is that he was in charge when they won multiple titles spanning 3 (on their way to 4) different decades. How many other owners can say that? He also could easily have sat back and counted all the money, like so many other owners, but he insisted on fielding the greatest team that he could every single year. Sure the team was a mess in the 80′s and early 90′s but he grew from that experience, the suspensions helped soften him and put the team in better “baseball hands” too, but he was responsible for them coming back to life in 94 and onward with his check book and trusting his people. This doesn’t make him more important than Ruth in Yankee history, but if someone can name a more successful, influential owner than GMS in the modern era, well I’m all ears???
I love Reggie, I don’t deny it…………
We all thought Meuleuns was the next big thing…………….
You have to wonder if an OTD invite will be extended to Tony Kubek, or do Hal/Hank and family still hold a grudge against him?
1990 Yankees:
Chuck Cary (wow, I remember him – blond kid; didn’t he used to be good with the Angels?)
John Habyan – not awful
Mark Leiter – lol, now I remember him
Lance McCullers
Rich Monteleone
CB is right though – Give the guy a normal sized plaque. Why didn’t Ruppert get a monument that large?
I did love Claudell Washington – I called him “ducksnort”
“Thank you for saying this. It gets very tiring to hear the myriad of yankee fans who happened to come of age in the late 1960’s talk about that period of time as if it were the single bleakest period in the franchise’s history and had no parallel with any other period of history. In turn no other yankees fans can possibly understand the torment that this generation went through.
….the late 1980’s/ early 1990’s were worse.”
The irony…
1991 :
Lee Guetterman : he was huge, if I recall..
Jeff Johnson : he was in the same crop as Wade Taylor..
GB7
I never heard what the split with Kubek was about.
Please enlighten me.
“Anyone remember the play where bobby meachem and dale berra (wow he totally missed out on his daddy’s DNA) got tagged out at home plate within milli-seconds of each other?”
Complete incompetence and buffoonery. I remember watching that and being both simultaneously shocked and not surprised because that team just played such bad baseball.
And that was with Bill Martin as manager.
The sad thing that play was around mid 80′s IIRC (85 or 86?) and wasn’t even during the worst of times which was ’89-91.
Portent of things to come I guess.
Complete anarchy. Dale Berra. Meacham. Billy Martin (yet again). George calling Billy in the dugout telling him what to do.
Dear Lohud,
I won’t be able to join you for tonight’s big win, but please be assured I will be with you in spirit. Go team.
Nick in SF
Tony Kubek has nothing to do with baseball now and he hates the Yankees; I doubt he’d come back.
“I did love Claudell Washington – I called him “ducksnort”
I don’t know about “ducksnort”, but there is a town in Tennessee called Bucksnort.
on paper, the 1966 Yankees look pretty good:
Elston Howard
Joe Pepitone
Bobby Richardson
Horace Clarke
Clete Boyer
Roy White
Mickey Mantle
Roger Maris
Mel Stottlemyre
Friz Peterson
Al Downing
Whitey Ford
Jim Bouton
Fred Talbot
Other than the Chairman of the Board, the other starters were in their mid to late ’20s. The problem, though, is that the team on the field got very old, very quickly in 1965…
George’s monument is like seeing a 65″ plasma TV in someone elses house.
I think “wow, thats big” and then don’t give it another thought. Their house, they can decorate it as they want.
What hurt those late 80s/early 90s Yankees were injuries to great young pitching talents like Al Leiter and Gil Patterson. Brien Taylor would have come up about the same time as Pettitte.
“Their house, they can decorate it as they want.”
Sure, but then other people can say they have no taste.
Nick
Will you be sitting outside an In n Out waiting to go in on the final out?
I would like to repent and say Cervelli did an outstanding job last evening in the lineup in a very important game. The lineup was great with him as a major contributor.
I was wrong.
Hats off…
Nick in SF September 21st, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Dear Lohud,
I won?t be able to join you for tonight?s big win, but please be assured I will be with you in spirit. Go team.
Nick in SF
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But will you still eat a double double?????????????????????
I called him ducksnort because that was the term Hawk Harrelson, a Yankee announcer at the time, used to refer to a bloop into the OF..I don’t have a clue why I thought of Washington that way, but I was a kid, so go figure, lol.
Bucksnort? I think that’s worse………..
Wow, memories of (a) the early ’70s and (b) the late ’80s, early ’90s. The stuff of nightmares. My Mets-fan-loving friends used to mock me for being a Yankee fan in the ’80s.
Pat, that’s a good way to put it – that’s how I feel.
I’m afraid I must bow out tonite as well.
No biggie though as I’m resting myself for the WC, and I do have YMH’s next tribute ready to go.
MaineYankee September 21st, 2010 at 4:42 pm
GB7
I never heard what the split with Kubek was about.
Please enlighten me
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I think the falling out between Kubek and Steinbrenner was over criticizing the team on the air and in public. That and Kubek thought that Steinbrenner interfered too much.
When NBC lost its baseball TV rights to CBS after the 1989 season, Kubek left the national scene, joining the Yankees’ local cable-TV announcing team (which earned Kubek $525,000 a year). Ironically, back in 1978, Kubek had said of Yankees’ owner George Steinbrenner that “He’s got an expensive toy. Baseball’s tough enough without an owner harassing you.”
“Kubek spent five years calling games for the Yankees (1990-1994) on the MSG Network with Dewayne Staats, where he earned fans and critics’ respect for his honesty. After 1994, Kubek effectively quit broadcasting. He explained his sudden retirement from sportscasting by saying:
“ I hate what the game’s become — the greed, the nastiness. You can’t be married to baseball, give your heart to it, but when it starts taking over your soul, it’s time to say whoa. ”
Kubek added, “I want to go home and spend more time with my family. They deserve it more than anyone. I don’t need that ego stuff. I feel sorry for those who do.”
Kubek’s resignation coincided with the bitter strike that wound up cancelling the World Series in 1994. In a 2008 New York Times article, Kubek claimed not to have seen a major league game since his retirement from broadcasting.”
I will be in a holding pattern in the vicinity of at least one In-N-Out, ready to celebrate.
Since August 3rd Cervelli has been getting on base at a .419 clip. That isn’t bad.
Of course, that doesn’t mean he will keep it up but it’s better than a kick in the pants, or watching Jose Molina hit.
Tony Kubek got completely disenchanted with all of baseball. Not the Yankees.
He went back home to Wisconsin and he and his wife formed a foundation that helps underprivilaged refugees (I think of Phillipino descent) in Wisconsin.
Supposedly, he has not watched any baseball since 1996.
I believe he has been invited back for OTD each year and politely declines.
IIRC, his Cooperstown trip this summer was the first baseball related function he attended since 1996.
“….the late 1980’s/ early 1990’s were worse.”
The irony…”
Cutting off my comment that way is cheap and ridiculous. I also talked about the team prior to Ruppert buying them which was an entirely different generation that is rarely if ever talked about. So I was not singling out one era.
The specific reason why I said worse was due to the fact that the 1913 yankees had a .377 winning percentage and the 1990 yankees .414 winning %. Both are worse than any of the CBS teams.
Finally, CBS era yankees
“The sad thing that play was around mid 80’s IIRC (85 or 86?) and wasn’t even during the worst of times which was ‘89-91.”
The Berra/Meacham game was August 2, 1985. They both tried to score on a hit by Rickey Henderson. The Yankees ended up losing in 11.
Mike Stanton appeared in the game for the White Sox and got credited for a blown save.
Lee Guetterman was 6’8″, but his fastball couldn’t break a thin plane of glass. All junk.
You haven’t truly experienced Yankees baseball until you’ve watched Walt “No Neck” Williams.
Other minutiae: check out the career stats of Yogi’s back-up catcher Charlie Silveira. The guy won several rings with the team, but since Yogi sat out so infrequently, Charlie has ridiculously few ABs. Amazing really. Charlie is still alive and well.
“I will be in a holding pattern in the vicinity of at least one In-N-Out, ready to celebrate.”
Then you are excused. Have a good night.
Whoops – just realized that the Mike Stanton that appeared in the Berra/Meacham game is not the same Mike Stanton.
Getting old and forgetful is not fun.
That was Lee alright………….Steve Trout, now there’s another guy. He was good with the Cubs and then developed into Steve Blass.
Ahh, Walt “No Neck” Williams. He was about 5 feet 5 inches tall.
Trout was the guy of whom Steinbrenner famously told his manager (I think it may have been Piniella . . . not sure): “I just won you the pennant. I got you Steve Trout.”
Josh Hamilton has broken ribs. The Rangers just found out. He was previously misdiagnosed.
Another case of broken ribs in baseball not getting diagnosed.
You can play with broken ribs but depending on how the fractures are it may not be possible due to the pain.
Big blow for the rangers.
There used to be a security guard in my development that looked like Walt “No Neck” Williams.
One day, I told him he looked like him. He said, “I get that all the time”! lol
Now THAT’S one em-effin’ lineup!
Walt ‘No Neck’ wore #13 I do believe.
The current #13 has more of a neck.
Here’s a photo of Walt “No Neck” Williams, albeit in a White Sox uniform.
http://bill37mccurdy.wordpress.....u-no-neck/
CB September 21st, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Josh Hamilton has broken ribs. The Rangers just found out. He was previously misdiagnosed.
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Not to be heartless, well, I am . That sounds like sweet music to me if the Yankees were to face the Rangers.
CB-
So what is Hamilton’s status ? Will he play or not ?
losing hamilton is a big deal for the rangers. if vladdy is hot, you can simply pitch around him.
it makes their lineup a lot easier to deal with
What’s up with the tributes these days?
Nick will “be in the vicinity” of an In& Out?
MTU’s dusting off photos from an an old hike?
No wonder the guy’s giving up multiple bombs to the Dan Johnsons of the world.
Who knew, huh?
I hope those days are gone forever. At the time, I would have sold my soul for a WS; that’s all I wanted out of life – just to win 1 WS and I would have been eternally happy. I guess WS are like potato chips – you can’t stop at just one.
CB-
Great stuff on the early 1900 Yanks. Are there any good books/reading on that period of time, or a history on the Yanks?
That sucks for the Rangers……..but we’ve got our own injury problem with Tex, so I can’t feel too badly. However, I sure wasn’t rooting for anyone to get hurt.
Betsy,
At the time I remember wishing for the Yankees just to get to the World Series so I could see a World Series game. I was too young in the early ’60s to appreciate it.
We certainly have become spoiled since 1996.
http://sports.espn.go.com/dall.....id=5600357
2-3 days before they can tell if hamilton can play
“So what is Hamilton’s status ? Will he play or not ?”
They’ve tried giving him an epidural and an anti-inflammatory injection. Will be 48-72 hours before they know if it works to relieve enough pain for him to swing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/dall.....BHeadlines
CB-
Thanks.
I’m looking to purchase a good Yankees history book and would be grateful for any recommendations. Thanks in advance!
Jeers-
Maybe that is my way of telling Phil he needs to pick up his game.
the ’85 Yankees won 97 games and finished 2nd to the Blue Jays. They won 11 in a row in early September to move into contention and then proceeded to lose 9 out of 10 to fall back just far enough to need a sweep in the final weekend to tie (they won 2 out of 3).
The manager? Billy Martin
The Owner? George Steinbrenner
If there was a LoHud blog in those days would there have been complaints that the team needed the old days of Jacob Ruppert and Miller Huggins while they were losing all those games?
Mauer and Hamilton are both hurting.
DPLennon
Manuel on Torre’s “curious” comments about #mets managerial job: “That’s not integrity.”
j9d,
The Peter Golenbeck book, “Dynasty,” which is about the 1949 to 1964 Yanks, is a really complete and interesting history of that period.
Not sure how many have seen replays of Granderson’s 2nd homer last night but, that baby was upper deck bound until it hit the pole/screen.
Mauer and Hamilton are both hurting.
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Mauer is ?
AdamRubinESPN
Jerry Manuel says it’s disrespectful and lacks integrity to talk about wanting a job someone else currently has
lol
GB-
That was a Moonshot.
Cashmoney September 21st, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Not to be heartless, well, I am . That sounds like sweet music to me if the Yankees were to face the Rangers.
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While that is encouraging for any prospective Ranger playoff opponent….
Hamilton wasn’t in the line up the last time the Yanekes faced the Rangers and it didn’t go so well for them
Gary Carter pulled this crap when Willie was manager; I thought it was disgraceful. That said, he basically put himself out there for the job. I don’t recall Torre making any comments that could be seriously misconstrued as meaning he was begging for the Mets job. He told Francesca that he’s really more likely to hang it up – just that he wouldn’t say NO right now because who knows if good opportunities might not come along (or something along those lines).
Manuel should keep quiet about integrity; he’s had his moments when people could question his.
“Great stuff on the early 1900 Yanks. Are there any good books/reading on that period of time, or a history on the Yanks?”
The books I personally like the best are old ones written in the 1940′s and 1950′s. That might be a personal bias however as I started reading those books when I was very young and kind of grew up with them and have a particular fondness for them.
Those are really great books. If you find some second hand get them. They seem to capture a very different era of american life as they were written decades ago.
There are a ton of very good books out there on the history of the yankees. The Yankees Century is one that’s particularly good though I haven’t looked at it in a while. Very nice integration of photos and text as I remember.
If there was a LoHud blog in those days would there have been complaints that the team needed the old days of Jacob Ruppert and Miller Huggins while they were losing all those games?
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I think it all has to do with how fast informations are disseminated as we speak.
JS September 21st, 2010 at 5:09 pm
CB-
Great stuff on the early 1900 Yanks. Are there any good books/reading on that period of time, or a history on the Yanks?
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“The New York Yankees: An Illustrated History” by Donald Honig from Crown Publishing has a lot of great background on the individual eras and well as fantastic pix of many of the players, big and small.
“Oh, there is no question,” Torre told ESPNNewYork.com’s Ian O’Connor after being asked if he would listen if Fred and Jeff Wilpon called him about the Mets’ managerial job. “That is why I didn’t shut the door. I saw Freddie [Wilpon] when they unveiled Commissioner [Bud] Selig’s statue [in Milwaukee,] but we just said hello.”
“I have not had and nobody that I know of has had contact with anybody,” Torre told WFAN in New York when asked about the Mets on Monday. “I am curious. When the season is over, I hope the phone will be ringing.”
While that is encouraging for any prospective Ranger playoff opponent….
Hamilton wasn’t in the line up the last time the Yanekes faced the Rangers and it didn’t go so well for them
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Good point Erica, We also did not have our A lineup and CC & Pettitte did not toe the rubber for us. Those are important variables sans Hamilton who is by far away their best hitter.
Tanks, thanks…………well, I guess I can’t blame Jerry for being upset.
MTU,
The tough love approach huh?
I’m trying to come up with a fitting AJ tribute as I really want these next 3 games.
I’m thinking I should vow to wear a really hideous shirt if he pitches well enough for them to win.
I like that they called up Montero, Brackman and Betances to “soak in” the atmosphere of a major league pennant race. it’s got to be a great experience for them.
Erica ,I am also bracing to face MN in ALDS which I think it’s the most likely scenario.
Doreen if Montero doesn’t sit between Pena and Posada during this call-up, he’s a fool. Same with Betances and Brackman. They should be glued to Pettitte and sabathia’s hips.
Jeers-
Maybe that will work. We’ll know if he gives us a complete game shutout.
Nipple rings, or a Tatoo for AJ.
You asked.
George bought the Yankees at the right time, just prior to free agency. Andy Messersmith was the 1st free agent and in later years was a Yankee but Catfish Hunter broke down the doors when George pursued him and consequently signed him on New Years Eve of 1975.
Other owners like Ted Turner and Charlie Finley followed suit. George changed the entire economic climate of the game. Where he failed was by not listening to his “baseball people” in signing free agents. Many times he was enamored with marquee names and was hell bent on getting them regardless of good advice saying he shouldn’t.
He was instrumental in forcing teams like the Red Sox to spend money they preferred not to in order to stay competitive.
The last deal George had his fingerprints on was Randy Johnson.
Bronx Jeers
I think a nice tribute you can do for AJ is get a tattoo in his honor.
I could make the A(pple) J(ack) cookies I made last year during the playoffs when AJ pitched. I don’t know if they helped, though. He was 1-1.
GB7 -
I agree – except I’m hoping Posada’s doing a lion’s share of the catching.
I believe Ted Turner impacted baseball economics more than George Steinbrenner did.
GB-
I think with Sabbathia’s hips there will be plenty of room to glue both of them.
People, including Reggie Jackson forget the biggest reason Jackson became a Yankee was because Thurman Munson went to GMs after the ’76 WS and told him that if he wants to win it all in 1977 to go get the big guy from Baltimore.
Maine-
I see you’re cured.
Hello SJ & GB!
My uncle use to pitch for the St Louis Cardinals in the mid 50′s and once he retired he stopped watching the game almost completely. He use to get so frustrated about the lack of basic fundamentals the players had and the exorbitant money. He gave me his MLB watch. He told me he made more money playing in South America than in MLB. He had a deep love for the game.
MTU
Not cured but feeling some better.
Doreen September 21st, 2010 at 5:33 pm
GB7 -
I agree – except I’m hoping Posada’s doing a lion’s share of the catching.
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Maybe Pena can be the designated catcher and the Yanks get special dispensation to allow Posada to hit for him.
Just having those two sit and explain how to set up the hitters and the reasons for it will advance Montero’s education by a year and a half. Montero spending as much time in the bullen and in fielding practice getting hands on instruction from those two will really help. Some people have the idea that he’s just some big clumsy oaf with a bat and nothing else. He’s big, but, he’s quite agile and will get so much better. He’s more coordinated than Cervelli.
The impact that Ted Turner had on the business side of baseball was immense. Given how much baseball revenues are tied to new models for televising the game Turner may very well have been the most pivotal owner in the post free agency era.
And Turner’s impact was very unique. He was able to leverage his burgeoning television empire to create new products in baseball that would have been difficult if not impossible for any other owner to emulate.
Turner had a huge impact of inventing an entirely new business model for the industry. And that innovation has few if any peers in the industry now.
It still surprises me today that baseball owners – the Yankees in particular – didn’t absorb what Turner did more fully as the internet developed. The joint ownership of mlb.com rebroadcasts was very short sighted on the part of the yankees.
Maine-
Maybe a glass of warm milk will help.
MTU September 21st, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Maine-
Maybe a glass of warm milk will help.
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It’s gotta be cold or I’m not drinking it.
Ray, How’s it going today? Hope all is well. That’s some great stuff about your uncle. I think all of the old era players feel the same way about lack of fundementals in today’s game. The investments in the kids almost demand that they be pushed along well before they’re ready. That’s the real pity. Players are more talented but, not as well schooled.
GreenBeret7 September 21st, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Yeah! I remember you telling me that earlier! Munson was a team player & a great one! He is/was missed!
CB , very good about Thames vs Berkman tonight. Maddon deployed very the same philosophy when Tampa faced Shawn Marcum .
I thought Berkman’s power numbers might pick up after the initial acclimation process, that has yet to happen either.