Yankees vs. Rays
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Sep 21, 2010 
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Update, 7:25: Nick Swisher’s invaluable bat has made another contribution. That solo shot here in the first off James Shields was his 27th homer. Hopefully for his sake and the Yankees’, that left knee will hold up from here.
Update, 7:32: Good start for the Yankees. Jorge Posada’s RBI single makes it 2-0.
Update, 7:35: They’re teeing off on Shields. Lance Berkman’s two-run double over B.J. Upton’s head in center makes it a four-run margin already.
Update, 7:37: Curtis Granderson continues to hit, RBI single, 5-0.
Update, 7:46: That was quite a drive by Matt Joyce off Phil Hughes, into the second deck in right. So it’s 5-1 in the second.
Update, 8:06: Bad job by Hughes with his control, with two walks and a wild pitch leading to a run. But good job to get out of the inning against Dan Johnson, who hurt him in the last start at Tampa Bay. So it’s 5-2 heading for the bottom of the third.
Update, 8:26: Not a good play by Robinson Cano. The Yankees could have been out of the fourth on a 1-6-3 double play. But Cano and Derek Jeter both covered the bag. Cano caught it for the force and had no throw as he came together with Jeter. But Jeter had the momentum striding toward first. Jason Bartlett singled, so it’s first and second, two outs.
Update, 8:29: Now Hughes has issued his fifth walk, bases loaded for Ben Zobrist.
Update, 8:30: Hughes gets out of it on a grounder to first. Lot of traffic on the bases against him, but he’s only cracked for two runs.
Update, 8:48: Johnson is 0 for 3 now after grounding out for the last out in the fifth. So Hughes has a 5-2 lead after 4 1/2.
Update, 8:53: Shields has settled down. The Yankees have no hits since Derek Jeter’s single to open the second. It’s 5-2 heading for the sixth.
Update, 8:58: A 1-2-3 sixth for Hughes. That’s probably it for him. I believe he’s at 106 pitches. All in all, good work outside of the five walks. He allowed two runs and three hits. If this holds up, it will be win No. 17 with two starts to go. But we have a ways to go.
Update, 9:04: Shields is done with runners on first and second and one out in the sixth. Lefty Jake McGee is the new pitcher.
Update, 9:13: Joe Girardi left Hughes in to start the seventh surprisingly and Jason Bartlett greeted Hughes with a single. Javier Vazquez is warming.
Update, 9:16: Now Hughes is done, 6 1/3, two runs, four hits. There’s a runner on second. Vazquez will get his first work since his start on Sept. 10.
Update, 9:23: Make that three runs and four hits. Carl Crawford’s bloop single makes it 5-3. Vazquez holds them there, though.
Update, 9:27: Chad Qualls is on to pitch the seventh for the Rays.
Update, 9:36: First and third, two outs. Qualls is out, and ex-Yankees lefty Randy Choate is in to face Cano.
Update, 9:40: Well, this game appears in good shape for the Yankees. Cano’s bloop two-run double down the left-field line means it’s 7-3. Cano went to third on the throw home. Choate is out and Lance Cormier is in.
Update, 9:51: Vazquez has given up two singles to start the eighth. Joba is warming.
Update, 9:54: One out later, Vazquez is out and Joba is in.
Update, 10:22: Yankees win, 8-3. They’re up by 2 1/2. The magic number to clinch a postseason berth is four, pending the Red Sox’s game against the Orioles, and Boston is losing in the ninth.
Just shut down Dan Johnson !
Rally!!!!!!!
7:28. Do you know where your kids are? If they started watching the game on time, they’re not on this thread…
Cheated out of the AB on the very first pitch was Cano. Ball was near the dirt, called a strike, and stuck Cano down early.
I like dis
Hip Hip !
Darn it!! I thought that was a double for Berkmania! Come on Berkman, you can step up!
Raise your hand if you think P.H. will give the runs back right away next inning.
gift strikes. I hate em.
Puma!
Go Berkman!! It’s nice to finally see him drive the ball.
BERKMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BERKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A good start. As long as it keeps up!
Shields really doesn’t have much just like his last start. His last start he just got by since they were swinging at his changeup in the dirt all night.
MG September 21st, 2010 at 7:36 pm
boy, Upton played that ball really casually, Madden must be furious in the dugout…
scoring with two outs and with RISP
The MLB.com live look-in cut off right after Kay said “DRIVEN OUT TO CENTER FIELD”
gosh darnit
Raise your hand if you predicted that the Yankees were going to mash the Rays during this series. We depend on the honor system here..
HAND RAISED SKY HIGH
say what you want about berkman, he’s still a accomplished hitter despite his poor season.
say what you want about berkman, he’s still a accomplished hitter despite his poor season.
Grandy is hot!
Nice!!!
GRANDY!!!!! BERKIE!!!!!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!! What a start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOVE THAT!!! Grandy man
like I said, this lineup, when it’s all there, is very, very scary…
I love the fact that they are just hammering Shields after time.
The guy with 2 HRs and 5 RBI yesterday is batting 8th today. Nice!
this right here is the time I know and love
No holes in the lineup today.
This game aside, why is James Shields known as “Big Game”? Always wanted to know.
Berkman continues to hit the ball hard. He just needs to get some balls in the air, he has to hit a homer sooner or later.
big game james just turned into big inning james
Hopefully Hughes can pitch well with the lead and keep the ball in the ballpark.
It would be nicer if the Rays wouldn’t come all the way back to win this game.
Yankees are trying to make a statement!
Love this lineup! Berkman detractors begone, look at his stats. We don’t need him to hit home runs, we need him to get base hits and keep the line moving.
Why not Mosely, though, instead of Gaudin?
Just finished dinner with the family, so I’ve missed most of the action…nice to see the lineup whole again, and nice to see them complete what they didn’t do to Sheilds last time
great inning for the Yanks with a big hit from Lance Berkman of all people, but I’m sure Hughes will pitch marginal and give up a few HRs to let Tampa back in it.
repost: Granderson’s swing looks really sharp and compact. Liking Curtis.
Yanks need to continue and get Shields out early…could affect Tampa’s pen for the rest of the series.
Chuck September 21st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
This game aside, why is James Shields known as “Big Game”? Always wanted to know.
he had that 1 decent series against the Sox in the ALCS.
That was strike 3.
blake, he threw 41 pitches that inning, he isn’t going more than 5 even if they score any more. I have the feeling, though, that they aren’t finished against Shields.
42 pitch first inning from Shields.
You know it’s tough when Ruby Tuesday ups his moronic trolling posts.
I believe Shields got the nickname ‘Big Game’ in college, and he hates it…
Hughes hasn’t pitched well this year with a big lead. So this will be a test and let’s see how he does.
42 pitch 1st.
Let’s watch Hughes walking the first batter.
when the best the trolls can say is that the Yankees will blow a lead you know they are grasping at straws. Next they will be saying the Sox aren’t losing tonight…
Don’t understand the anti-Berkman sentiments at all. The guy is a professional hitter with ice water in his veins. I think it’s likely he will have a very good post-season.
I really like this line up
And its a little late but…..
MPF Lance Berkman = Awesome
3 up
3 down
MG,
yea, I was thinking try and get him out even earlier than that. A quick one here from Hughes to get Shields back out there would be good.
wow look at that change. Throw it more
Hey NICK,
If you’re around now or later, I just wanted to say I’d be happy to try and get you tickets next year. I haven’t seen anything about it. Can you send me some info (link) if you have it?
Nice….good sequence.
Good bye, Ruby Tuesday…
Great sequence from Hughes right there.
Didn’t Shields dominate the Yanks over his last 2 starts against them? Nice to see the Yanks take care of that right away.. Hughes has to keep his pitch counts down.. 23 after the first inning is quite high.. He needs an easy inning.
really pathetic showing by Ruby Tuesday so far tonight.
Chuck September 21st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
This game aside, why is James Shields known as “Big Game”? Always wanted to know.
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Growing up, his favorite sport was basketball and his favorite player was “Big Game” James Worthy.
Ruby, just because it’s Tuesday doesn’t give you the right to babble incoherently. Or then again, maybe it does.
I wish anyone and everyone here who needs it could be embued with a sense of calm and faith and let it carry you over any rough spots that may appear down the line.
Just sayin’ that some of us made it through the season without worrying ever, honestly, because we knew that the New York Yankees were capable of what we are seeing right now, and we totally believed they would do what they needed to when they needed to.
Girardi rested a lot of his players on the last road trip and people were not happy about it. He was thinking ahead, yes, and knew what he was doing. He needed them for the series with the Rays, where head to head was going to make a difference.
Some of you think I don’t have a lick of baseball sense but I figured that one out (so did others here and they said it at the time) when it was happening.
Nobody is complaining right now, I don’t think, so if you can just be happy tonight and have faith, you and the rest of us here will be a really grateful group!
Solo homers are acceptable.
oh well, solo homers arent that bad….. but another bomb of a home run off this guy, geez.
Got behind and laid a fastball in there….
Can’t stand how the Rays strike back as if it was going out of style.
Too many fastballs behind in the count.
If the yankees win today, they will have accomplished the goal of taking two out of 4 from the rays. In my opinion, the rays are in a tough predictament tomorrow facing AJ. AJs still very capable of putting together shutout starts and what a better way to begin by shutting the rays down tomorrow.
Here come the gopher balls that Hughes gives up.. Geez!
Lol. So predictable.
Exactly what I just said… Now a homerun to one of the scrubs. Hughes has to hit his spots against lefties. That is a part of his game that is terrible.
Hughes needs to work on keeping the ball in the yard…(overstatement of the year?)
Phil needs to learn to pitch away with the fastball to lefties at home.
No bite so far on Hughes curve ball translates into too many four seamers.
These guys are way too comfortable against Phil. He needs to start moving their feet.
re-lining up at the bridge
Look how great his change is today. Nothing wrong with throwing it behind in the count.
How long will Master Hughes go before giving up this lead?
Sigh……….
The Yankees did tonight what they came close to doing last time against Shields but were unable to. They had Shields teetering but were unable to put a major hurting on him.
They did that tonight.
Posada, Berkman and Granderson with great at bats. Each one zoned the ball very well and square the ball up hard.
Really like the way Berkman and Granderson have been swinging.
On a night where they really need to rest the pen putting up 5 and working Shields to 42 pitches in inning one is terrific work.
Good comeback on Pena.
Hughes just throws too many fastballs in fastball counts…that’s something he needs to work on.
Mixed in a change there to Pena and then threw the fastball by him by changing his eye level.
Great recovery by Hughes to get out of the inning with no further damage.
At least he got Dan Johnson. I’m happy for that.
OK, lets tack some on…
“How long will Master Hughes go before giving up this lead?”
Hey! Did Ruby Tuesday invade your body????
Good bye, Ruby Tuesday, you are a disgrace to trolls everywhere
I love that Direct TV commericial with the Russian that kisses the Giraffe..
Hughes n the long ball. Big time issue
Betsy, half full not half empty. He’s pitching great. We know his problem with homers. Hopefully he’ll adjust as necessary tonight.
If Hughes is going to win this game and pitch good he can’t throw as many fastballs as he usually does. When he starts throwing fastball after fastball that is when he gets into trouble. He can’t be that predictable.
Err..that was some impressive displays of offensive efficiency by the Yanks.
Here we come Yankees 45 , Tampa 8
Not gonna get beat giving up one solo HR.
Especially if they keep hitting.
He just has to learn to mix it up more behind in the count on guys like Joyce and Johnson.
Reduce the predictability of the pitching pattern.
Shields pitched a ton in that first inning. Even if he settles down after this, he won’t get very deep in the game. It also makes you wonder if it will affect his pitching in his next game.
That was a heavy load he threw in one inning. That can take its toll.
I would love to see the Yankees keep pouring it on and have a laugher. That will help the BP tonight if they can.
Yowza! That was simply Jeterian!
Jeter looking much more like Jeter lately…very very good news for the Yanks.
10 game hitting streak…
DocTodd,
Re: “Big Game” James nickname. That’s what I heard as well on one of the Yanks broadcasts.
Another great swing for Jeter. Very direct to the ball again and driving it.
Trish, he really does need to cut down the HRs; he’s given up a ton after not giving up any to start the year. He’s also got an issue with giving runs back after getting a lead, but I assume he’ll get better at that with more experience.
Swisher’s return shouldn’t be underestimated – boy, we really missed him.
Girardi’s going to seriously have to consider whether he believes that Hughes ‘ home/away homer splits are statistically meaningful enough to justify throwing him in a road game 3 instead of the comforts of home in game two.
It really is an interesting dilemma. Although as of now (knock on wood) he appears to be a lock to start either of those games.
So which inning will it be when Hughes gives up a 2-run/3-run go ahead HR?
Phil has to learn to either pitch far enough inside so that he’s all the way ‘in the kitchen’ of the lefties or stay away with the fastball. He makes those mistakes on the inner half that get him in trouble. It’s nothing that can’t be fixed and part of the learning process. Catfish Hunter gave up tons of bases empty homeruns in his career and is in the Hall of Fame; Robin Roberts is another who pitched like that.
Jeter back on track is the best news the Yanks could have hoped for……………it’s like making another trade.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2010 at 7:49 pm
“How long will Master Hughes go before giving up this lead?”
Hey! Did Ruby Tuesday invade your body????
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Now, Trisha, I didn’t say they’d lose did I?
Damn a stupid dp this could of been another big inning.
Ace September 21st, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Hughes n the long ball. Big time issue
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You have it all wrong.
Hughes heard that “chicks dig the long ball” and he wanted in on the action
Swisher really isn’t running well. He’s toughing it out but that knee is still an issue.
Michael Kay: “Just a gorgeously turned double play”. lol
Does Kay ever NOT get overly excited about plays made? While it wasn’t a bad play, he just goes overboard with his praises.
wow, what a pick by shields at 1B. man, we could have really put a hurting on him this inning – score and pitch count-wise.
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 September 21st, 2010 at 7:51 pm
10 game hitting streak…
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Ruby, Baby, you are what Larry David would call a SCHMOEHAWK!!!!!!!!!
Close! Just keep driving up the pitch count…
Cashmoney September 21st, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Err..that was some impressive displays of offensive efficiency by the Yanks.
Here we come Yankees 45 , Tampa 8
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Nice of you to join us
Well, getting closer… missed it by that much.
Man just missed a bomb
that would’ve been a moonshot……oh well
I really think Phil is overly in love with his FB thanks to being in the pen. I recognize the good that pen stint did him, but it also hurt him, I think. After this many starts, I’m suprised he hasn’t adjusted
You guys shouldnt hate Michael Kay. He’s just like all of you. Sing the praises of every non Yankee and show no appreciation for the Yankees.
Teix seems like he’s swinging the bat much better tonight, that foul was the best swing he’s taken in a couple of weeks.
LOL, sorry I just ran up to the hotel room I am like 250 posts behind. Thanks , Erica.
That was a much better AB for Teixera regardless of the outcome. He had some good takes on change ups down and seemed much more on the ball than he has been lately…hope that is a sign of things to come.
I guess Swish won’t be healthy until after the season…
blake, do we see the game through the same set of eyes?
“Trish, he really does need to cut down the HRs; he’s given up a ton after not giving up any to start the year. He’s also got an issue with giving runs back after getting a lead, but I assume he’ll get better at that with more experience.”
Betsy, I agree that the long ball has been a problem for him, but he looks like he’s pitching with a ton of confidence tonight. As SJ said, a solo homer isn’t going to hurt us. It’s going to be a great watch to see how he adjusts tonight as he goes along!
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Yankee fans be honest as you can. If we were playing at the Trop, same point in the season, and the Rays were leading us in the division, would you be screaming for Girardi to take our pitcher out if he was the one giving up the runs?
i think Phil is overly in love with the fastball as well…but isn’t that on the catcher to call a different pitch. Make him throw other pitches.
MG,
I think so sometimes
It has nothing to do with the bullpen Betsy.
The fastball is his best pitch. Always has been, always will be.
The best pitch in baseball is a well located fastball.
Locate it well, it doesn’t leave the park.
It’s about location and not pitch selection.
Trish and anyone can make a mistake……………….but G C makes a good point. His home/road splits are extreme to the max; YS doesn’t seem to agree with him.
Cashmoney September 21st, 2010 at 7:56 pm
LOL, sorry I just ran up to the hotel room I am like 250 posts behind. Thanks , Erica.
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No problem!!!
Although, spending a game thread alone is probably rather peaceful… lol
His curveball out of the strike zone has been a very good pitch for Hughes this start and his last.
Some great 2 seam action on his change
Best part of that swing by Tex on that deep foul was that the pitch was a two strike off speed pitch. Those are the ones he’s been having trouble with.
all right handed pitchers get in trouble against lefties when they miss with fastballs down in the zone and middle in, that’s the pitch that most lefties can handle. Even Mo, when he gets hurt, is usually because he’s missed in that spot.
It’s Glee premiere night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope everyone enjoys the end of the game. I was just forced to stop watching by my DVR
Uh oh …
Phil missed with the fastball in again, that’s why Jorge went out to the mound.
Tex has to have near perfect timing to hit offspeed pitches. Hopefully he’s getting it back.
CR9 & RUBY TUESDAY = THE VOICES OF REASON in Bizzaro World.
SJ, that’s fine, but we all know he has to mix his pitches better. What I’m hoping is that he can actually concentrate on his breaking pitches over the off-season. I’ve been hard on him, but I recognize that missing most of 2 years has really hurt him – and he did say that after returning those years, he concentrated on his FB command (understandably so). Then he was put in the pen – mostly using FB/cutter. So, finally this off-season, he’s got to work on his curve and his change. Although to be honest, I think with the change it’s more of a mental thing – that is, can he overcome his “fear” of being beaten with his 4th best pitch? If he can, that’s half the battle.
Walks hurt more than solo HR’s.
Walks lead to big innings.
That’s what you want to avoid against this team.
SJ,
That’s true, you really can’t walk this team. You have to make them hit their way on.
Phil got away with that fastball, he missed location by a mile.
so annoying when Phil pitches.. He’s at 50 pitches already and not even done the 3rd inning yet..
So the question is – is his location bad simply because he’s a young pitcher and he’s going to make mistakes? I assume that’s the case….if he were making mistakes all the time, he’d be out of the rotation by now with a 10 ERA
Oh brother…….
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....wins-mauer
Good news on Mauer. Has minor inflammation in his knee. Hopefully, it persists through November.
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Have the game on mute with no captions so I cant tell for sure…… but from the Rays replay, it appeared that Cervelli asked the HP umpire last night in the 9th inning to make Carl Crawford keep his feet in the batter’s box. After the AB, Crawford was yelling at McClelland from the dugout.
Phil’s fastball is one of the very best in all of baseball.
If he’s going well, he should be throwing it about 65-70 percent of the time. Per Fangraphs, he’s thrown it about 64 percent of the time this year. He’s thrown about 16 percent curveballs, which is just fine, and 16 percent cutters. Given that his cutter isn’t a drastically different look than his change, it would be nice to see him use it about 12 percent of the time or so and maybe throw his change 8 percent of the time rather than 3 or 4.
Its not that he’s not trying to use these pitches. Its just a matter of quality and location and I think it will come.
walking two guys to face Longoria isn’t the best formula for success.
Ok….not good.
The walks are a problem.
They will need Vazquez to give them innings in this game.
He’s starting to come apart.
Walks kill every time.
The walks are the worst part – that’s very disappointing, esp. with a big lead.
The walks are the worst part – that’s very disappointing, esp. with a big lead.
Very lazy play by Posada. Now the walk scores great…I am really surprised that Posada would call for a curveball against Longoria. The get me over curveball can’t be thrown against a good hitter. They will crush it.
Do you get the feeling that we won’t score another run off the Rays’ pitching tonight ?
Phil has really lost command this inning but good job to get Johnson.
Good job Hughes minimizing the damage.
Hughes gets a ground ball on a change up, good job.
And here we go again …
Retired Johnson on a change up. Don’t understand why they didn’t throw a couple to Crawford up in the count 0-2.
Again annoying.
Hughes doing his best to keep Tampa in it.
Shields has thrown the same amount of pitches as Hughes, but has also given up 5 runs.. GO figure.
there is nothing more pathetic than a troll using the collective term ‘we’ in reference to the team it is trolling.
Threw first pitch curveballs to 3 straight batters. Phil’s pitch patterns are curious sometimes. Need to keep scoring and get Shields on out of there…..Don’t need to let him settle in and give them 6 innings
G-C, that seems like too much of the FB. He’s throwing it a lot and he’s getting beat because teams know that all he likes to throw is the FB. His curve isn’t good enough at this point and his change is a work in progress…………..
Darn walks.
Need. More. Runs.
hope the yankees don’t stop scoring runs….cause the Rays don’t go away easy
NYY fan in NH September 21st, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Shields has thrown the same amount of pitches as Hughes, but has also given up 5 runs.. GO figure.
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how about that he’s pitched one less inning, he’s going to be at 70 pitches by the end of the 3rd
Does every pitch and at bat from Hughes have to be analyzed?
Let the kid just pitch like everyone else in the rotation.
We need to put up a crooked number.
Part of why Hughes gives up these home runs now is that he does what pitchers are supposed to do – own the inside part of the plate regardless of whether the hitter is a lefty or righty.
One of the ways pitching has changed is that pitchers no longer work the inside part of the plate to batters who hit on the opposite hand. That’s largely because the players have gotten stronger – even the marginal players.
Get beat on the outside half and it doesn’t carry much risk. Make a mistake on the inside half on location and there’s a real risk of the ball getting hit hard. So many RH pitchers just don’t try to control the inside part of the plate to LH hitters anymore. They just give those quadrants away.
But by giving up that inside part of the plate those RH pitchers ultimately limit their potential. You cannot be a top line pitcher unless you can control both halves.
This is part of the learning process. If you get scared and stop pitching inside because you are giving up home runs then you’re never going to be a front line guy.
It’s just not easy to do. Mo made a mistake to Luke Scott and the ball wound up inside and Scott crushed it.
They need to start getting Vazquez heated up now.
They are going to need innings tonight with a short bullpen.
Hopefully, Hughes can give them two more innings tonight.
This would be a night where getting at least 3 innings from Javy may be needed.
Even though AJ has been awful all year, I’d have to throw him in game 3…………
Betsy, as SJ pointed out, it’s location and command, not pitch selection. He can throw fastballs all day and not get hit if he locates it properly.
NYY fan in NH September 21st, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Shields has thrown the same amount of pitches as Hughes, but has also given up 5 runs.. GO figure.
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your numbers might be correct except for one little thing. Hughes has pitched one extra inning.
The Yankee bats could go silent the next 6 innings so Phil has got to keep the Yanks in it..
Arod obviously doesn’t pick up Shield’s changeup at all. The Yanks better score some more runs. I don’t think Hughes will last long in this game and you get the feeling that this game will be tied very soon.
That’s fine, but if you can’t pitch inside without making that many mistakes, should you be pitching inside in the first place?
I can accept the HR – but the walks and loss of command were disappointing.
Marginal Phil in the house tonight!
Deja Vu
“your numbers might be correct except for one little thing. Hughes has pitched one extra inning”
Yes, but Shields threw 43 pitches in the first inning..
NYY fan in NH September 21st, 2010 at 8:11 pm
The Yankee bats could go silent the next 6 innings so Phil has got to keep the Yanks in it..
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you mean like last night after the Rays tied the game?
Did that even hit him??
And they’re arguing again. I guess it didnt hit him.
Missed him again.
Jorge is a cheater!!!!!!
Lol, are we going to have an outrage about this now.
LOL jorge.
MG, well then let’s hope his location improves. Also, I just don’t agree about the FB. No pitcher can get away with all one pitch, even a good FB.
Phil really has to lock down here and give them six innings.
I’m done babying him for the year. Its become readily obvious that given the performance of AJ and Vazquez, championship # 28 won’t be had if he can’t step up to the plate in October.
He has the mentality and stuff of a gamer. Now its time for him to put it into practice and start pitching the way he’s capable of.
I’ve never seen so many fans of a team be so ready to jump off a bridge. The Yankees have the best record in baseball, they didn’t get there my accident, yet, with a 3 run lead, many of you already think the game will be tied. Do you actually ever enjoy watching your team play?
Robbed!
Robbed!
Berkman is crushing the ball right now.
That was a smokeshot by Berkie. Let’s have a quick 1-2-3 inning Hughes!
The ball grazed his leg. Didn’t “hit” him, but it got his pant leg at least. It’s the same as the guys who wear the baggy jerseys so the inside pitch will “hit” them.
That wasn’t like the Jeter call at all.
you mean like last night after the Rays tied the game?
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The Yanks have a habit of coming out of the gate strong and then sleeping for 7 or 8 innings.. The Rays should have never got back into that game last night.
Betsy, how many pitches do you think Bob Gibson threw?
MG, the answer is no.
The volume of analysis on this blog re: Hughes could fill a phone book.
Doing my best to ignore it all.
He’s just a kid.
I pitched in college – you go through ups and downs. But I agree with SJ – the FB is the money pitch…locate a four seamer or position heavy two seamers and you’re going to be special.
Just struggling to locate – he’ll get there, and his soft stuff will follow.
Will Hughsie give up another one this inning?
Marcus September 21st, 2010 at 8:16 pm
MG, the answer is no.
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that is truly pathetic…
Betsy,
If he doesn’t pitch inside, he’s a AAA pitcher.
You have to ne able to command the inner half of the plate to succeed in the majors.
It’s all part of the learning process.
This is the first year in his career he’s pitched this many innings and it’s at the major league level.
Patience is required.
a nice clean inning would be great right about now with the bottom of the lineup coming up – then hope for at least one more inning from hughes and get javy (GULP) warmed up…
“Just struggling to locate – he’ll get there, and his soft stuff will follow.”
Perfectly stated!
MG, I don’t know – but by your answer, I’m guessing he threw mainly FBs, lol?
NYY fan in NH September 21st, 2010 at 8:12 pm
“your numbers might be correct except for one little thing. Hughes has pitched one extra inning”
Yes, but Shields threw 43 pitches in the first inning..
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I don’t care if he threw all 70 pitches in one inning. He still threw the pitches. Is it your plan to subtract those pitches because he’s only thrown 9 pitches an inning since?
you can pitch inside to lefties, you just can’t miss down and in, that is the wheelhouse for almost every one of them. If he’s going to miss, let him miss up in the zone.
“That’s fine, but if you can’t pitch inside without making that many mistakes, should you be pitching inside in the first place?”
That was the point of my post. If you’re AJ Burnett and 33 maybe not.
But if you’re Phil Hughes and your 24 then yes you should.
People just expect him to do everything now and don’t want to live with the ups and downs of letting him learn.
Pitching inside to LH batters is critical for a frontline RH pitcher. Not many guys can do it. If you’re going to say do it but only if you can’t give up home runs then you’re telling the kid to limit his ceiling and to never given himself a chance to become an ace.
In his first year in the rotation Zack Greinke gave up home runs at a 19% higher rate than Phil Hughes has this season.
But Yankee fans don’t want to put up with it. They want everything now. They expect a complete, polished ace this season.
They want Zack Greinke circa 2009 without ever going through the problems of watching Zack Greinke 2004.
LGY – what else are the sofa critics who’ve accomplished nothing in their own lives going to do?
Just walked another guy. Guess Phil wasnt going to receive a strike 3 on an outside pitch.
Girardi has to get someone up in the bullpen. His command is really bad right now but knowing Girardi he will wait until the game is tied.
SJ, I do agree with that…………..so I will say that at least Phil doesn’t scare easily; as frustrating as it is, I’d rather see him get beaten by being aggressive than being….not passive, but well – wimpy?
He’s very capable of giving us quick innings to reduce his pitch count – he’s done it as recently as that Sox game vs Lester
Hughes is where he was early in the season, pitching well enogh to win but walking too many hitters lately.
Another walk, why is he still in the game.
3-2 changeup. Walk #4.
Time to get Javy up and be proactive here.
The walks are hurting him more than anything else so far tonight.
Nibles McNibles
for the love of the baseball gods….do we have to give the lead right back to the opposing team every time we have the damn lead????
i say get javy started in the bullpen – this may be another bumpy inning
Here he is starting the inning off by walking the first guy …
looks like he wants to give up at least one run an inning …
nibbles mcAlLeiter!
CB, I can’t argue with you. I’m guilty of that, no doubt.
The Rays have hit one ball hard tonight. You have to make them swing the bats.
Vazquez is going to take a while to get ready so they should start the process now.
Phil has changed from start to start in quite some time.. I can’t explain how in those 5 days between starts, Eiland and Hughes cannot come up with some sort of plan to negate the high pitch counts and constant command issues..
The leadoff walk always seems to score
CB-
You mean Greinke didn’t pitch to a 2.80 ERA in his first full year starting?!?!?!?
Nice pitch, but he’s making this a lot harder than he has to – he was 0-2 on Pena.
Glad he challenged him there.
man, Phil is struggling out there – long abs and walks…not good!
you can just overpower Pena now with a fastball, there was no reason to nibble against him.
This is hard to watch since we know the lead will be gone in minutes or seconds.
Not watching the game since I’m at school but gameday has these pitches borderline.
Is Hughes not getting the calls because he’s wild tonight or is it a tight strike zone both ways?
Right down the middle, and Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats and Kennedy are showing FOX Trax. Im not sure what for.
Big K for Phil. Per Kay, 158th of the year. That’s a lot.
They are trying to mix in more pitches in this start.
Problem is, he can’t locate them well tonight and the pitchcount is starting to rise.
He just has to keep grinding tonight.
They need him to give them innings.
I can’t believe Pena didn’t put that in the seats. Wow. Why didn’t he swing at that? Did he go to the Gardner school of batting?
# Joe from Long Island September 21st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Big K for Phil. Per Kay, 158th of the year. That’s a lot.
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I thought all the geniuses said Phil couldnt put batters away?? Huh??
It’s a tad early to take Phil out – esp. if Joe is not playing all out for the division. He’s going to try and let him work himself out of it – and that’s fine for now. This way it also saves the pen.
Al Leiter Fluid , is what we refer to him by…
speed = batting average. Thanks Michael Kay.
Phil is fine.
I really think you have to see what he has here, SJ. Winning this game isn’t as important as letting him battle against a championship caliber team in preparation for multiple playoff starts.
I’m guessing Vazquez will be going a few innings tonight…
Tyler – It’s been a fair strike zone both ways tonight. Nothing Phil has gotten called for a ball has been a strike. Very even.
Tyler, no one is saying that, though – but he’s got a 5 ERA since end of May, so he has struggled. The loss of command is the problem now, actually – more so than the HRs.
That could have been a disaster there
That play was funny! Lucky we even got one out – out of it.
Upton is maybe the biggest waste of talent in the big leagues. Gotta communicate better there…that’s Jeter’s play
Can’t have that confusion between Jeter and Cano.
Could have turned two there and gotten out of the inning.
Unacceptable play at second base there.
Since 2001 I still can’t shake a feeling of dread every time a Yankee pitcher throws to second base on a bunt or ground ball. I envisioned Hughes throwing it into centerfield there. Not quite that, but not what you should have gotten there.
He should be in the dugout right now.
Gotta get out of this inning up 5-2
that was a bad place to throw a 1st pitch curve ball, he could just challenge Bartlett in this situation.
by all means Phil, please keep bringing the tying run to the plate.
I think I will trot out Moseley first than Javy tonight. I like the fact he generally has decent control and is more of ground ball pitcher.
That throw looked like it was going right to Cano. I hope that doesn’t cost them a run now. Of course Hughes has to give up a hit right after that.
dislike YES announcer continue to declare “a real shift” in momentum
You absolutely cannot let Phil Hughes start the 3rd game in the playoffs while he’s struggling out there. There may be no other choice for Girardi, but good luck with that.
“I can’t believe Pena didn’t put that in the seats. Wow. Why didn’t he swing at that?”
That strike out was a very good example of Hughes learning, improving and getting better.
Its’ true. How many called 3rd strikes on fastballs have we seen Hughes get this season? Hardly any.
The entire reason why Pena didn’t swing was because he was looking off speed and got frozen on the fastball.
For Hughes to be able to do that is progress. All year long people have wanted him to use his other pitches more.
He did last game against tampa. He is this game against Tampa. And at this point in time he’s done enough to confuse a power hitter like Pena.
Watch this turn into a big inning…
He’s coming around a lot of fastballs…not staying on top when trying to throw inside.
3-0 again?
And Vaz is getting ready. If Phil can get into the 6th, it would be ideal.
Wow, another walk?
Should have been out of this inning. The defense can’t kill the pitcher like that when he’s struggling.
At least 2 of the 4 “balls” were strikes.
He’s tiring. He’s yanking everything now.
Gotta get Javy ready. He’s going to have to give them innings tonight.
Should have been out of the inning 2 batters ago.
Tampa Bay just showed FOX TRAX and pitches 1,2 and 4 were all strikes.
GET HIM OUT!
so much for the clean inning with the bottom of the lineup up
Maybe he’s just fatigued and his mechanics are out of whack? If he is fatigued, you can’t start him in the playoffs
5 walks Jesus Christ.
Should have started the inning with Javy.
Walks the bases loaded …
Like I said, the Yankees can’t stand success …
He had jaso struck out
5 walks….if Flaherty can see his arm angle is off, how come the pitching coach can’t see that??
That was a big, big error by Cano and Jeter.
Flaherty not happy with Phil’s body language
He may not get out of this inning.. Very disappointed in Hughes at this point. Just not seeing anything different from start to start..
The ump won’t call any pitches on the corner a strike only low pitches.
as han solo would say “I have a bad feeling about this.”
Good job Phil. Classy play by Zobrist to avoid running into Phil.
isn’t it situations like this that phil is prone to give up a homerun – god i hope this isn’t one of them..
One lucky man right there..
Great job there by Hughes….too bad he had to throw to 3 extra hitters that inning. Hopefully he can give them at least 1 more….maybe get into the 6th.
Well he got out of that inning …
But what about the next?
Stay tuned …
So does Hughes stink tonight because he has walked so many guys or is he a warrior like Pettitte for limiting the damage?
gee, the Yankees still lead by 3 runs, nice job, jumpers…
Not a pretty night, but at least Hughes isn’t allowing Tampa to mix hits with the walks.
man, Phil…way to keep it interesting out there
You can’t send him back out there – he’s tiring, he’s struggling and it’s just not good for him.
Wow, talk about playing with fire.
Tough inning for Hughes. Let’s hope that Little Big Game James repeats his performance of the 1st inning and gives up tons of runs.
John Flaherty is one of the most annoying people on television right now.
He was a terrible player who made his broadcasting career with the Yankees on one hit. And now we have to listen to him pontificate and “analyze” as if he’s Johnny Bench or Roy Campanella.
GREAT job by Hughes to use the change to open up that at bat and subsequently get the ground ball. I think he has two more innings in him.
He’s tiring???? In the 4th inning?? This kid is tired?? If I were tired half way through my work day, the boss would tell me to go home….and stay home…..
Betsy-
I totally agree that the walks are a very discouraging sign. He hasn’t been really that good for a long time now. Honestly a 4.50-5 ERA is what I expected from him this year. I’ll just be happy if he makes it through the whole year healthy. His fast start was almost a curse for him. He was never going to keep that up. He’s a first year starter in the toughest division in baseball in a ballpark that can be tough on pitchers. Hopefully he’s learning on the fly.
thanks powers that be – i’ve wasted my one wish for tonights game – phil is now on his own
Tremendous character out by Hughes there. Those are not easy outs to get.
He looks tired out there. His defense just bungles an out and the bases are loaded.
Huge out. Great job.
Betsy, give me a break, he’s thrown 80 pitches. What is he, a china doll?
Nice job fighting thru it.
Hopefully, he can get thru the fifth.
However, Girardi has to be proactive here.
Hughes is at 80 pitches. At best, he can give them one more inning.
Have Javy ready for the fifth since he’s probably going to be in the sixth anyway.
Come Grandyman. Just a hit.
Guess not.
They can’t let this turd off the hook.
This is what they did last time against Shields….they jumped on him early then let him settle in.. Luckily they got more runs this time….
Not pretty but he battled.
I keep things in perspective by recognizing that Phil would be a top of the rotation guy in Baltimore, Toronto or a few Central/West teams, NOW.
He has work to do to please Yankee fans.
after beating up on Shields in the first inning. I can’t believe we haven’t been able to get him out of this game. 45 pitches in the 1st and 3 innings later just at 70+ ridiculous
Is it me or does Michael Kay and John Flaherty continue to say the same things over and over.
This start so far proves to me why you absolutely have to start Hughes over AJ.
If AJ was working with Phil’s command tonight the game would be a slugfest.
Hughes is doing what he has to do. Limiting the damage.
Whether you are 24, 34, or 44, no pitcher is going to have his command and best stuff every start.
you have to give Shields some credit for making adjustments since the 1st inning…
Have Javy ready for the fifth since he’s probably going to be in the sixth anyway.
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SJ, I rather give Javy a clean inning to work with if he has to come in. I would give it to Abla if there are men on bases.
They definitely have to try and get Shield’s pitch count up. The offense is completely shut down now and Phil is on the edge of giving up the lead every inning.
It’s not just the 80 pitches.
It’s a career high in innings and it’s a battle with each hitter.
That’s the grind of starting.
So yes, he is tiring and he’s fighting thru it.
Hughes letting the Rays hang around and the offense going quietly.
What else is new?
Tyler, I never expected him to keep that start up, but it’s been a rough rest of the year. I sort of facetiously predicted that he’d end up with a 2009 Price-like ERA (sometime in May, I think) and people pooh poohed it because he’d have to pitch to a 5 ERA to end up there. Unfortunately it’s happened………..His command even when struggling was very good, so this has to be exhaustion leading to poor mechanics. That’s why I take him out now…
This lead feels tenuous; not so long ago, a 5-spot in the first meant we were cruising.
Dang it. Getting on base is the key to Shields, and Gardner pops out.
The yankee hitters need to make adjustments back. Shields doesn’t have his good change up tonight. The yankees keep going up there expecting it.
But Shields has figured out his change isn’t as strong as it usually is and has thrown more curve ball and two seamers.
“You can’t send him back out there – he’s tiring, he’s struggling and it’s just not good for him.”
It is good for him. October 23rd of this year, things line up as such that Phil Hughes is starting Game 1 of the World Series. He gets through the first three innings on adrenaline and in the fourth and fifth starts to feel the toll of about 200 innings on his arm for the first time.
Getting him experience in these situations is an absolute must. You’re not going to feel great anywhere close to every time out, and the more you learn to battle, the better you get at it. Roger Clemens made his career with the Yankees out of painfully laboring and battling through what seemed like almost every other start.
You give me a break, MG – he’s tiring and he’s struggling; he’s way past his previous innings high – and you want to keep sending him out there. What is the point of pitching a tired pitcher? If you don’t have a problem with that, then why have you said that Joe should rest a tired Mo, Wood and Logan?
Shields has that 2 seamer working now…really good movement on it.
Come on Captain. If nothing else, get on base to have him throw more pitches.
His command even when struggling was very good, so this has to be exhaustion leading to poor mechanics. That’s why I take him out now…
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It is one start.
You will drive yourself crazy if you try to micro analyze every single start from any pitcher in MLB.
One start with poor command.
The offesne needs to put on some more runs fast.
Hughes is struggling and there are no reliable arms available in the BP today.
If you look at all the last three homeruns Hughes gave up, they are all due to poor control.
In all of them he missed the location pointed by Posada by a wide margin with too much plate. As CB said, it is a learning process and he will get better.
Betsy, he will fight through the fatigue tonight because he needs to do that to build stamina for next year, that’s the way it works. You’ve never thrown a baseball from a pitcher’s mound, how can you even begin to know how it feels?
If Jeter pulls his bat back, he walks.
G-C, that’s a good point. Maybe he should go to the 2-seamer to try and get some quick outs.
Would like to see the offense make some attempt to tack on runs. C’mon, guys, keep the foot on their throat.
MG, that’s fine – then just say that; don’t tell me to give me a break. I don’t think he’s a china doll- he’s clearly a pretty durable guy because he hasn’t missed one start that the Yankees didn’t want him to miss.
Fighting through fatigue is another part of the learning process.
LGY said it before – if Andy Pettitte had this start people would be lauding him with praise for being tough and bending but not breaking, etc.
The over analysis of young yankee pitchers is crazy. It was bad with joba. It’s now just as bad with Hughes.
Shields settled down
LGY – he had poor command I think against the Jays…………but ok, that’s fine. I hope he can get through one more inning………then let Javy take over.
The Yanks have scored 5 runs – that should be enough.
Come on Braves.
That’s what good pitchers do, so I won’t kill the Yankees offense………..5 runs should be enough; now it’s about the pitching.
He has to learn and fight thru it. That’s how you become a great pitcher
This is a big test inning for him and hopefully he passes it.
Foot came off the throat a while ago.
Since then they’ve brushed off their jacket and handed em a bottle of spring water.
Would be nice to see Javy get a look
in relief
Betsy — why should 5 be enough? We have a depleted pen and a pitcher who doesn’t go deep in games.
Phil has only given up 3 hits, it’s not like they are banging him all over the park. He’s missing location and walking guys but pitching tough in spots. As CB says, it’s all part of the learning process for a young pitcher.
Frozen Rope September 21st, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Hughes letting the Rays hang around and the offense going quietly.
What else is new?
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Seems to me that it’s the offense that’s allowing Tampa to hang around.
Great cutter right there.
Hughes threw a change up to to Longoria. Also umpire missed ANOTHER call.
so far this is Phil’s best inning tonight against the heart of the order…
Hughes is walking fewer batters this season than CC is.
CC has been one of the great control pitchers of his generations.
There’s a difference between Hughes’ control on one particular evening and trying to then blow that one evening up into a generalizable problem.
This is the kind of stuff you’d expect Bill Madden to be writing.
The HR didn’t hurt him tonight. The walks have.
He’s done a great job so far with Crawford and Longoria.
Now he needs to finish strong and get Johnson.
This start is going to help Hughes in the playoffs.
He is giving the advanced scouts a lot more to think about. Longoria got fooled like Pena.
Hughes is already above 90 pitches.
Girardi should bring in a fresh arm to start 6th inning.
Having completed 5 innings, Hughes is eligible for the win.
ring him up….good pitch
That was a perfect pitch…
STRIKE 3 C’MON
That change-up back to back by Hughes was great.
That 1-2 changeup was strike 3.
That umpire just cost the Yankees bullpen an inning.
That is a disgraceful call.
BEAUTIFUL change up by Phil. Bravo.
it’s pretty obvious that Johnson can’t hit anything in the zone middle out, that’s why he took that change on the corner
Send him out for the 6th.
1,2,3 inning just what he needed
If you could put Nova’s command into Hughes body, then you’d have on heck of a pitcher. (that only last until 5th inning or so..lol)
Good inning. 98 pitches; that’s probably it.
Betsy, see how Phil came back that inning? That is the way good pitchers rebound after a tough inning or two.
By far Hughes best inning. He threw 4 quality CU’s to Johnson in that AB and located better in general. Good to see him come back strong like that.
That was a terrific inning by Phil. Crawford, Longoria, and the immortal Dan Johnson.
I am thoroughly encouraged by what Hughes showed tonight.
That was the best change-up he’s flashed all year, and possibly in his entire career.
Very, very impressive. Way to go kid. Not that it should mean anything to him, but he showed me a lot.
Good inning by Hughes now some runs would be nice!!
Let Hughes start the 6th inning.
Nice job Hughes. His control and command wasn’t all there but the net result is 3 hit and 2 runs over 5 inning. You can hope for more length but I will take that any day.
Great job by Hughes.
Aside from the walks, which upped his pitchcount, this was a solid effort.
He mixed in more pitches and hung tough in tight spots.
Have Javy start the sixth and pat Hughes on the back for a job well done.
Nova needs to improve command of his off-speed pitches.
When he does that, he will be lights out.
Phil can go another inning unless he gets into trouble unless GI Joe wants to play matchup with Joyce and Pena and use Ring for a couple of batters.
Can Logan go two batters? What about Der RING des Nibelungen? (Just want to reach out to our opera fans)
Lets score some more runs…get Shields out of there.
Hughes has now had two strike outs taken away on awful calls. He threw two great change ups to johnson.
Actually – make that 3 great change ups to Johnson as he rolls over on that pitch.
So can people now see how he’s learning. Last game johnson beat him on fastball’s in. This game Hughes is feeding him change ups and curveballs away.
Young pitchers learn from failure. That’s how they get better.
Hughes was tiring this game. But he fought threw it and looked like he picked up a second wind. Pull him the inning before and he never has this experience. He never learns how to fight through that fatigue.
I can’t blame Hughes for walks when the umpire isn’t giving him anything.
Pitch count might get Hughes here. Tough call whether he starts the 6th? I don’t want a. Reliever to come in a game with a messy situation. I would keep hughes going though. Time to be big time
MG, I give the kid credit – and he sure is throwing the change up. I’ve seen criticism elsewhere that it’s not a good pitch, but who cares? He’s not getting killed with it and it puts that pitch in hitters’ minds. I firmly believe the more he throws it, the better it will get.
It was foul. No complaint.
I think new umps are in order…………how can a pitcher or hitter know what’s a strike and what’s a ball when they change even during a game?
looks like Vazquez is going to be in the game pretty soon…
98 tough pitches. That’s enough for tonight.
They don’t need to kill Hughes. He did his job.
Hughes battled well, but bottom line he gave up two runs while walking 5 in 5 innings, with a homer that was luckily before he lost his control.
Nova had a shutout 1-hitter through 5 with 1 walk.
Yet Nova mostly gets criticized for “blowing up” while Hughes gets mostly praised for a job well done…
They hit three balls hard that inning and nothing to show for it.
and like I thought earlier, the offense has gone awry the last 4 innings..
That was a very quick inning for Shields. He will definitely pitch 6 innings and maybe even 7.
if he’s going to use Vazquez he should bring him in to start the inning rather than with runners on base…
Looks like one of those “hang on to he rope with your fingernails” kind of games. The bats seem stowed away after the first.
Teixera looks like he’s getting closer to finding something up there.
The middle 3 of the order is now 1 for 20, I believe, in the series
Nice. Hughes back out there.
Meanwhile, C.B.’s E.R.A. is going to fall below 2.400.
Curious decision here, but I kind of like it. Lets see if it works out.
Shields has been a different pitcher since the 1st inning, you have to give him credit for that, it’s not on the Yankees necessarily.
Girardi continues to show he doesn’t know when to take his starter out and let’s Hughes start the 6th….
I actually like this decision to let Hughes start this inning…it may backfire horribly but if he can get through 6 then that would be a big boost..
“Teixera looks like he’s getting closer to finding something up there.”
He went up there with the intention of hitting something very hard. He looked much more confident in his swing and attacked the ball. Good to see.
I am not surprised that Hughes is starting this inning, that is how Girardi has managed recently. Leave the pitcher out there until the game is tied or about to be tied.
We have not seen the last of our offense today.
Shields will not last more than another inning or two due to pitch count.
Then offense can feast on their BP.
“Shields has been a different pitcher since the 1st inning, you have to give him credit for that, it’s not on the Yankees necessarily.”
Yea, he’s been much better. That’s why I was hoping they could knock him out before he settled in.
meanwhile Hughes buzzed through the two lefties with plus fastballs…
Not many Yankee pitchers have been able to make Pena look feeble, regardless of how he is hitting.
Even if Phil goes three-up, three-down, I’m not sure this is a good idea. He’s already qualified for the win, but every pitch we save him here helps him in the post season.
Now we know why they call him “Big Game” Shields.
“I think new umps are in order…………how can a pitcher or hitter know what’s a strike and what’s a ball when they change even during a game?”
Agreed. New umps and technology. Get things right for all teams, even the red sox.
Great job PHIL!!!!!!!!!!
So much for yanking him earlier as many of you ninnies wanted!!!!!!!!!
Girardi left hughes in the game because he’s getting stronger and his stuff has more life on it now than it did in inning 2 and the pen has been worked.
Now that was a great inning
His last 2 innings were his most impressive.
Huge step forward for Hughes tonight.
Sorry I’ve been on the phone but I want to say hey Phil must have settled down, yes? Wow, into the 6th and only 2 runs given up.
YES!!!!!
Betsy, do you think he’s settled down and made some good adjustments? Has he gotten into any real jams since giving up the 2nd run?
I swear to God this is the kind of outing I believed he would have tonight. May it last!
huh. wow hughes. nice inning.
Wow, wish Hughes pitch count wasn’t so high because he found something between the 4th and 5th. That’s huge for a young pitcher to be able to do that mid-game like that.
Girardi may use that book, but when it comes to starters he certainly does not follow the book.
Surprised to see Hughes in the sixth inning.
Obviously Hughes made Girardi look better.
that shows you the potential Phil has to be a top flight starter for a very long time. Those last 2 innings were really impressive.
do you complainers actually watch the games or just complain?
Well, I was wrong – Phil settled down and gave the team exactly what they were looking for. As it turns out, I’m glad they left him in…
Probably go Javy for 7th and 8th then have Joba close it out?
there is a big difference between sticking with Nova on his 3rd time through the order and sticking with Hughes. Nova has only made a handful of starts and is a rookie; Hughes is way more polished and knows how to pitch through jams.
Nice inning. Now they have to score more runs so Robertson, Wood and or Mo can get a day off. Robertson probably isn’t available but the others are and I am sure they are tired.
I was watching the game and renewing my vehicle registration at the same time; I got the new Empire State plates……..
Tough to get on top of that sinker right now.
So where is the credit for Hughes? The credit part always seems disproportionately smaller than the pitch by pitch criticism of any mistake he makes.
I just don’t know. I watch what he did tonight and it really reminds me of watching guys like Greinke and Jimenez and even CC when he was younger struggle to figure things out, battle themselves but still find ways to make pitches, get outs and get stronger as the game goes on. These are the kinds of starts Andy used to have when he was a rookie.
If you want to see “front line ceiling” in a young pitcher you saw a big ingredient to it tonight.
No way Hughes comes out for the 7th, right? That would be insane, right? No one’s warming up!
tough to get under I mean.
Mo, Robertson and Wood should not be in this game under any circumstances.
Vazquez hasn’t pitched in like 2 weeks so I can only imagine the command that would have tonight. It looks like Hughes will start the 7th inning which is surprising. That definitely means that the bullpen is very short tonight.
Jorge is still such a good hitter.
How was that a wild pitch for Hughes when the ball didn’t bounce.
Hughes may come out to start the 7th.
Shields threw 40 pitches in 1st. He’s not at 100 yet
It would be really, really nice to score this run. Let’s go Granderson!!
Girardi should let him go out on this high note – retires the last seven. What is to be gained?
What a game for Hughes to battle and then finish with a blaze.
Incredible what you see when you have a little patience with a young pitcher with so much talent.
it’s entirely possible the Yankees tack on some runs here, that’s usually what happens in these spots.
Kevin Not That Kevin BrownSeptember 21st, 2010 at 9:02 pmNo way Hughes comes out for the 7th, right? That would be insane, right? No one’s warming up!
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Well if TB keeps making contact on the second and first pitches like they did in the last inning, then yeah he could.
And a shout out to Brad Bergerson who has given up 1 ER and is at 79 pitches in the 5th (compared to BOC, who hasn’t given up any runs but is at 105 pitches already).
I continue to be very happy for what the Orioles have accomplished under Buck’s tutelage. After all, they are our division mates!
Showing Elvis respect…
No, you’re right CB. I was wrong – and I give Phil all the credit in the world. I can’t see him coming out for the 7th, but if he does, Joe should have someone warming up so he can take him out if a batter gets on.Let’s let Phil leave with a good feeling.
Jake McGee was sitting at 98 the other day.
Making in game adjustments is something that all great pitchers have to be able to do….you saw Hughes do it tonight. He wobbled and wobbled but never fell, then came back strong. There is a reason that Hughes has gone at least 5 innings in all but one start this season…he’s tough.
What about Grandy popping one out…..
Girardi should let him go out on this high note – retires the last seven. What is to be gained?
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The bullpen is short tonight so that is probably the only reason. Robertson, Mo and maybe Wood aren’t available tonight. I don’t like trying to push him threw another inning but Girardi probably thinks he is better than the other options.
Tough matchup here for Grandy…lets see how he does.
blake, it looked to me like Phil just decided to challenge them with fastballs the past two innings instead of trying to hit the corners.
MG,
I agree. He started attacking again and really threw some nice off speed pitches and a huge 3-2 cutter to Longoria.
This has been tremendous for Phil. No getting around it. He found something and had two 1-2-3 innings when they needed it, when the bullpen needed it. This is what you want from a starting pitcher.
wow, what a play. he made that look easy. michael kay must be yelling.
blake, he got ahead with fastballs and that made the secondary pitches really effective in those spots.
Bartlett made a great play there that may have saved some runs…hope not.
Granderson will never see a righty after the 5th inn
when was the last time gardner hit a ball hard?
Buster_ESPN
Phil Hughes five walks in the first four innings.This AL postseason is going to be very, very interesting; so many problems for all teams.
Coming out of the pen left handed like that McGee brings Matt Thorton to mind some.
I was surprised the Rays didn’t call McGee up earlier this season.
That’s a situation where if Gardner was a more proficient bunter, he could have had another option to get on base against a tough lefty.
Hopefully, he improves in that area in the off-season.
However, Girardi has to be proactive here.
Hughes is at 80 pitches. At best, he can give them one more inning.
Have Javy ready for the fifth since he’s probably going to be in the sixth anyway.
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Well, he got through 6 full with 106 pitches, 5 walks, 3 hits, and 2 runs …
except for the walks he did his job.
He’s young, he’ll learn and grow.
McGee is nasty
Wow. Girardi really testing the kid tonight.
This is fun to watch.
“I’ve never seen so many fans of a team be so ready to jump off a bridge. The Yankees have the best record in baseball, they didn’t get there my accident, yet, with a 3 run lead, many of you already think the game will be tied. Do you actually ever enjoy watching your team play?”
MG, just reading through all of the posts that happened while I was on the phone.
The answer to your question? I always enjoy watching my team!!!! Here’s a good reason why! I have enough faith in them that when they falter I know it’s temporary and I patiently wait for the turn around. Even if it takes weeks, I always trust it is on its way.
Seriously, tough to find fault with that way of rooting for your team.
I definitely thought that Girardi was going to pinch hit Thames for Granderson or Gardner. Not that it was the right move but recently that is how he has been managing.
Now this is interesting..
Time for the pen. Great game, Phil, but time for the pen.
Now this is just dumb.
I remember when pitchers would give up 5 runs in the 1st inning. And throw over 40 pitches. They would be taken out. Not anymore.
Joe’s rolling the dice here ..
bringing Hughsie out for the seventh?
we’ll all agree now that it’s time for Hughes to take a seat after than single. Except for Girardi, that is. He has absolutely no confidence in Vazquez.
Bartlett has hit pretty much every ball in the same spot for a hit.
How sweet would it be to see him get 2 here and get through 7?
um, now I don’t understand why Hughes is still out there – it’s September, there have to be other/better options
Hughes should be out of the game now after the hit. You don’t want to bring in Vazquez with guys on base and he hasn’t pitched in 2 weeks. He is going too long with him.
This move tells me Girardi has no confidence anymore in Javy Vazquez.
The perfect opportunity to use Javy in relief is to start an inning.
It seems like Javy is a last resort move for Girardi at this point in the season.
why is Phil still in the game???? huh
Sawed him off…good pitch.
Huuuuuuuuuuuughes
MG September 21st, 2010 at 9:14 pm
we’ll all agree now that it’s time for Hughes to take a seat after than single. Except for Girardi, that is. He has absolutely no confidence in Vazquez.
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He doesn’t , maybe irrationally so in this situation. But I prefer Moseley than him in my pecking order.
Let’s give Phil Hughes a standing LoHud ovation!!!!!!!!
And that way of rooting also allows me to find the positives in games even when the Yankees lose, because there are usually some positives. I can focus on them while not worrying about any temporary pebbles in the road.
GREAT GAME PHIL HUGHES!!!!
Improvement is improvement. What better time for things to come together!
A reliever should be brought in with a runner on base then let Vazquez start the 8th inning. This is going to be a disaster.
what was the point in him starting this inning. Now you have Vasquez coming in with a man on base……… :/ i don’t get Girardi at all
If Maddon doesn’t start Bartlett, we have a decent change at getting 2 there, and Hughes probably gets the opportunity to go 7.
Great job tonight by Phil. I hope Vazquez can strand that runner and do the job.
great job by hughes…big spot for javy..trying to earn some role in the postseason..
It’s pretty clear Girardi was hoping not to use Javy in this game.
It’s going to be up to Javy to give the manager a reason to trust him again.
Can you blame Joe for not having much faith in Vaz?
Clutch, based on your constant negativity you must be a very unhappy person.
I don’t think this is the spot for Vazquez but hopefully he does the job.
Had the Yanks been able to extend the lead more then perhaps Girardi would have gone to Javy sooner. When you have a lead this late in the game you really start to want it because winning tonight means at the very least the Yankees would have shot at 3 of 4 with CC on the hill Thursday…at best they’d be going for the sweep.
Have to have a short leash with Vaz. Albie, Ring, Mitre….
Javy has a chance to really help the yanks out of the pen in postseason..he got to earn it though..he got a chance here..
And the Os tie the Sux! 1-1 in the 6th
Minny – Cleveland 1-1- in the 4th.
I wonder who is available in the bullpen tonight. This move tells you that not many people are.
Hughes did his job. It’s up to Javy now.
Javy Vazquez, another fine pick up by Cashman this offseason. Along with Chan Ho Flop, Randy Winn, NJ, etc.
that was a really good pitch by Vazquez, down and away with some movement…
Vazquez has to be careful going inside to Crawford here.
SJ44 September 21st, 2010 at 9:18 pm
It’s pretty clear Girardi was hoping not to use Javy in this game.
It’s going to be up to Javy to give the manager a reason to trust him again
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Yup! Hey he can be very valuable coming out of the pen..here is his chance…
BS
Frozen Rope September 21st, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Javy Vazquez, another fine pick up by Cashman this offseason. Along with Chan Ho Flop, Randy Winn, NJ, etc.
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All the crying about the off season…Granderson has had a good if not better year than johnny damon…
Bloop hit great
??????
Why didnt he throw that home???
Carl will just steal 2nd base anyway.
Javy giving it up again. Like old times
Damn!!! That slider was right down the middle, not a good pitch.
“I don’t think this is the spot for Vazquez but hopefully he does the job”
I agree. I am thinking that this is post-season audition for Javy.
Girardi, who lives and dies by the matchups, had Vazquez face Crawford who owns him…
bad luck there..still got to get out of the inning though.
Another bloop hit. Can’t do anything about that.
Just concentrate and get Longoria and don’t worry about Crawford stealing second.
Ace – HE HASN’T PITCHED IN A LONG TIME. OKAY?
Dan Johnson will win it.
Slip sliding away…….
Let’s see granderson get a late inning clutch hit in October before we call him better than Damon,Phelps
Damn that’s Hughes’ run.
Got robbed on a fastball strike.
Nice pitch!
“Damn!!! That slider was right down the middle, not a good pitch.”
That was a good pitch. Crawford was out in front and didn’t come close to squaring it up.
Do you bother to watch the game?
That was a stupid flare to the outfield hardly over SS. That’s the kind of fluke hit Mo gives up.
The same damned idiots giving Logan a pass on two bloop hits last night are now jumping on Vazquez for an even softer bloop hit. Go figure.
you figure wood..robertson joba got the 7th and 8th in the post season..Javy auditioning for long relief..no??
How many dinks and dunks fall in against us? Jeez…
Just a little bit of bad luck for Javy. Nice job!
“DocTodd September 21st, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Slip sliding away…….”
GOOD CALL.
Pretty nice job there by Javy…made a descent pitch to Crawford and gave up a BS hit then got Longoria out. Not bad at all. Very encouraged by Hughes tonight.
Vazquez did his job in that spot, give him some credit.
Girardi should get Ring into a game soon so maybe he can be used down the stretch against lefties.
ce September 21st, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Let’s see granderson get a late inning clutch hit in October before we call him better than Damon,Phelps
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Fair point..no doubt…but granderson has been decent….he got 20 plus homers and he missed about a month..not bad
javy for the 8th and joba to close it out?
Thats a pretty good job by Vazquez.
Assuming that Rivera is unavailable, I’d stick with him in the 8th and go with Joba in the 9th.
So….If it’s a save situation, do you use Mo, or rest him? If you rest him, who closes? Albie? Or matchup with Ring if there are lefties up?
# GreenBeret7 September 21st, 2010 at 9:24 pm
The same damned idiots giving Logan a pass on two bloop hits last night are now jumping on Vazquez for an even softer bloop hit. Go figure.
It really is sad. Logan was walking batters and gets a pass. Javy made some good pitches and gets trashed. Lovely.
Good job by Javy.
Can’t do anything about a bloop hit.
He made good pitches to both Crawford and Longoria.
Time for the offense to tack on a run or two.
Yea, there was a cheap ball call in there. I forgot to whom it was. It was probably the same pitch Carl noted.
Ken Phelps September 21st, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Frozen Rope September 21st, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Javy Vazquez, another fine pick up by Cashman this offseason. Along with Chan Ho Flop, Randy Winn, NJ, etc.
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All the crying about the off season…Granderson has had a good if not better year than johnny damon…
yeah – Granderson was totally worth Austin Jackson! NOT
That slider was not a bad pitch by Javy. He jammed Crawford who got a garbage hit.
here it is, the bottom of the 7th, the Yankees have a 2 run lead, and the blog has comments about how the game is going to be blown.
Unbelievable. It’s far more likely the Yankees blow it open against Qualls and the other secondary relievers.
For the life of me, I can’t remember the last dink hit we had while batting….
Curtis Granderson is a better player than Austin Jackson.
Would be nice if Javy could just finish the game and give Joba another day off as well.
Granderson is a much better player than Austin Jackson.
Especially for this team.
Vazquez did what he was supposed to do. He faced 3 hitters and two of them were all stars and the only one that was hit didn’t even bend the outfield grass when it landed.
Logan’s mistake last night wasn’t the hits…it was the walk that hurt.
In dealing with one uncertainty over another , would you guys go to Abladejo in favor of Javy in the eighth?
Can’t say enough about Hughes tonight. These games against the Rays are as close to playoff intensity games as you’re going to play in the regular season.
Hughes struggles with his command big time. But he never loses his composure. He makes mechanical adjustments and guts through a period where he was dragging and then gets stronger as the game progresses.
On a night where the pen needed rest he pitches into the 7nth inning and does so on a night where most pitchers would have been headed to the shower after 4 innings of work.
His command wasn’t great. But he continued to work on mixing pitches. He peppered the guy who hit two home runs against him last week on fastballs with off speed stuff away. The neutralized a dangerous rays offense for most of the evening.
Coming into this season James Shields was no worse than the Rays #2 starter.
Hughes thoroughly out pitched the much more experienced Shields in a must win game during the pennant run in a near must win game.
And he’s 24. Just fantastic stuff.
If people weren’t so busy with the endless cynical commentary about him they may actually take some pleasure from watching a hugely talented young pitcher grow.
I’d give him the ball in game 2 or 3 of the playoffs and not think twice.
it’s really nice that Austin Jackson is having a good rookie season but he’s struck out 159 times already with only 4 HRs. The Yankees can’t afford to have that in the every day lineup along with Gardner and often Cervelli, there just isn’t enough power there. Grandy has pop and has had a bunch of key hits for them.
“The same damned idiots giving Logan a pass on two bloop hits last night are now jumping on Vazquez for an even softer bloop hit. Go figure.”
I just want to scream to them CAN YOU JUST STFU AND STOP WHINING AND COMPLAINING FOR ONCE? JUST ONCE CAN YOU FORGIVE MISTAKES OF THE UNFORTUNATES THAT AREN’T YOU PERSONAL WIND UP TOYS? CAN YOU? CAN YOU EVER STOP TO THINK BEYOND YOUR NOSE AND FIGURE OUT THAT THE GUY MIGHT BE RUSTY FROM NOT PITCHING? CAN YOU?
But I won’t.
told you all the offense would hibernate after the 1st inning..
The offense has to wake up again. We have seen this before where they score runs early and then it’s sleep time. With Wood and Mo probably not available it’s a very slim chance that 2 runs will hold up. Let’s go offense!!!!
If Girardi had the onions, he could go to Ring to see how he fares against three lefties.
I’m guessing though he will stick with Javy and see if he can navigate thru Johnson, Joyce and Pena.
Now would be a good time for Tex to break out….been having better AB’s
I really got to go get a massage tomorrow and get acupuncture. This tension is weighing me down. Got to be totally ready for the postseason – the RedSox-less postseason
“told you all the offense would hibernate after the 1st inning..”
They have done this all year – refused to tack on late.
Albaladejo isn’t pitching in a close game when the Yankees have the lead, he hasn’t earned that spot. Vazquez will pitch into the 8th and Chamberlain probably is going to take over and finish the game.
Go Orioles!
This game is getting too close for comfort, lol
I was in the shower and missed that 3rd run – stinks for Phil’s ERA, but he did a very good job just getting into the 7th. However, I would have had Javy start the inning…………..
A-Rod needs to go deep here. Would love to see him get 30, but I think the streak ends this year
U know in a 2 run game in 7th inn dropping down a bunt n making the Rays think wouldn’t be such a bad thing esp with who’s up behind him
Smack one outta here, Alex!!!
Qualls getting pitches that Phil didn’t
Logan didnt do anything wrong yesterday aside from a walk. And all he’s done bad in the last few months has been the home run to Aybar. Everyone makes mistakes.
Gotta find a way to get six outs with the core guys in the pen most likely unavailable.
Certainly doable.
“I’d give him the ball in game 2 or 3 of the playoffs and not think twice.”
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I don’t see how you give the ball to AJ Burnett over Hughes.
Hughes already is a better, smarter, and more mature pitcher than Burnett.
I really hope Cashman was serious when he said salary won’t factor in and the he may be dominant line does not take over the discussions the Yankees are having.
Ring hasn’t pitched at all since he’s been here, so that tells me they really aren’t considering him for a post-season spot. I don’t think they think a 2nd lefty is necessary.
As to the offense, 5 runs is supposed to be enough to win. Give credit to Shields for settling in, but the Yankees did their job offensively.
Good piece of hitting there…good AB from Alex.
big spot for Cano here… much needed run out there.
Great job by Alex. Really good hitting.
Let’s hope this game doesn’t go to extra innings with Alex pulled.
This ump is giving Red Sox McClelland a run for his money
Nice hit by Swisher and Rodriguez. Let’s see if Cano can touch one off.
“I don’t see how you give the ball to AJ Burnett over Hughes.”
You don’t. And I don’t think they will unless AJ proves he deserves it by getting on a huge roll which he hasn’t all season but is theoretically capable of.
Hughes is the better pitcher.
I see they found Randy Choate…
They need a big 2 out hit by Cano here. Maddon lives by the matchups and Girardi should follow him and let Ring pitch the 8th inning. Vazquez against those lefties is dangerous.
At least Maddon brought in the right guy this time. lol
Randy Choke
“I really hope Cashman was serious when he said salary won’t factor in and the he may be dominant line does not take over the discussions the Yankees are having.”
Agree. We’re about to find out if he was being genuine.
Robbie needs to take Choate the other way…
Tack on run would be big here.
The ballsy move (and one that we would never see happen) would be giving the ball to Joba and telling him to go get a two inning save.
That scenario aside, if he was capable of throwing 2 innings in his rookie season with the Joba rules, I just don’t understand why Girardi is completely allergic to doing it now.
YEs bonus runs!
YES!!!
Yes!!!!!!!!
I guess I was right about going the other way lol
If Crawford can’t make that play then nobody can…..not sure why they cut that off. Alex was dead at home. 2 huge runs there.
Great hustle by Rodriguez and Cano. It would have to have been a perfect throw to get Rodriguez.
They get a bloop and it’s time for the Yankees to get their bloop hit.
Now there is no question you stay with Vazquez in the 8th.
Joe Maddon got suck out on that move. Here is to luck !
A bloop hit for DocTodd!
Store that one in the memory bank!
Huge hit by Cano.
let the complaints about it taking 6 innings to tack on runs begin in 3 2 1 …….
Huge hit. What was that someone before saying about when was the last time the yankees got a flare hit.
Choate is a very tough lefty and Cano at least fought him off and took the ball the other way.
No idea why they cut that ball off but Alex scores so you take it.
The Yankees have thoroughly outplayed the Rays tonight.
Good, now they should be able to have Javy attempt to finish it.
Yep, there’s my bloop!! Good for 2 runs too!
Nice!!! When Choate is your main lefty your introuble.
I’m not so sure that Crawford’s throw would have gotten Alex. It looked weak, and possibly off line a bit. Would have been close. Crawford not having a good series here, and this is a clutch one. Not stepping up is not helping his future earnings….
The throw may have been offline I couldn’t tell but it would have been in plenty of time….probably was offline so he yelled cut to try and get Cano at third. Great hustle by Arod and Cano both regardless.
I noticed the The Yankees have been running on Crawford. Does he have a weak arm?
“told you all the offense would hibernate after the 1st inning..”
Good call, because the game is over after 6 innings. Oh wait, it goes more than 6????
Oh I get it, they need to be scoring on your time line.
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Which brings me to my next question and that is what’s the difference if they score all their runs in the first and still win the game? Not all games are the same.
That throw wasn’t going to get all the way on the fly to Jaso and you can’t tell which way the bounce would go.
Javy should start the 8 th for sure…
Well, I spoke too soon, lol
Crawford throws pretty well…I think the Yankees are just being aggressive running the bases, which I’m fine with.
a 4 run lead should be safe for Vazquez, he knows how to pitch and can probably finish the game here without going any deeper in the ‘pen.
looked like the throw was off to the field side the 2nd time I watched it.
Tar September 21st, 2010 at 9:43 pm
I noticed the The Yankees have been running on Crawford. Does he have a weak arm?
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Sort of like Gardner….not overly strong but a quick release and accurate.
I’ll go with Wood here and if he gets into trouble, I’d use MO for 4-5 outs if needed.
Hopefully 4 runs is enough for Vazquez
Wood isn’t available tonight.
little late, but CANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For all of the offensive issues that NYYs have had this year, they still have an outside shot at 4 guys with 30 or more homers and 3 with 100 RBI.
Hey how about that C.B. is on the short end of a 4-1 score to the O’s. C.B. just not good enough much like his team.
Where’s Coal Tar Wednesday with the updates?
I would bet Mo isn’t either.
It’s up to the other guys to get the job done tonight.
My Orioles 4, Sux 1
Cleveland 2, Minny 1, top of the 6th
Dan Johnson, Yankee Killer.
Y wouldn’t a lefty be in to start this with all these leftys? See what ring has. See if Logan is ok
God the Rays just don’t give up
Give Javy the hook.
HE SUCKS
Ruby Tuesday, dbag troll.
Got to be careful with Pena here.
has all the makings of that choke job they pulled against Cleveland when Joba and company blew that huge lead.
Javy continues to smell the joint up.
Rays will get at least four runs this inning.
Javy has to trust his stuff.
let me guess – no one warming up in the bullpen
I don’t like this matchup with Vazquez against Pena, he can’t handle the fastball but can catchup with his fastball.
Of course the scrubs have to get on base
Thanks Blake and GB.
They are definitely being aggressive. I can think of a couple of plays right in front of Crawford that the Yankees took the extra base. I was wondering if the scouting report on him was, run like he’s Damon. LOL (Sorry Erica)
Like that
Javy throws about the speed of Pena’s swing….gotta make good pitches here.
Nice
Pena has really diminished at the plate this year, he can’t even handle an average fastball anymore.
Now it’s Joba time.
Granderson makes a bad read on every flyball
“I was wondering if the scouting report on him was, run like he’s Damon. LOL (Sorry Erica)”
I don’t know if anybody else has that kind of scouting report
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Alright Joba let’s keep the ball in the ballpark…
Granderson has been fantastic defensively this season. One of the best CF in the game defensively.
MG September 21st, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Albaladejo isn’t pitching in a close game when the Yankees have the lead, he hasn’t earned that spot. Vazquez will pitch into the 8th and Chamberlain probably is going to take over and finish the game.
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Girardi must be reading LoHud in the dugout tonight
“Granderson makes a bad read on every flyball”
Yes terrible read on that ball against Baltimore a few nights ago…..
Girardi played this right.
Four guys aren’t available tonight.
You stretch it as far as you can.
It’s up to Joba now to get the job done.
good thing the rosters are expanded allowing the Yankees to use guys like Albaladejo, Romulo Sanchez, even Royce Ring to help offset the depleted bullpen, OH WAIT GIRARDI IS STILL COUNTING ON CHUMPS LIKE MITRE, GAUDIN, and the same tired guys all month.
It all starts and ends with Dan Johnson, for the Rays.
so vazquez can’t start and can’t long relieve – what are the odds that he makes the PS roster? 1000 – 1?
also if you ban him from the ps roster – i would think he’d be embarrassed – but enough to offer him arbitration and he would decline it (2 draft picks if he does)
Joba and the 8th inning hasn’t been good this year so let’s see how he does here. Throw strikes!!!!
Tar September 21st, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Thanks Blake and GB.
They are definitely being aggressive. I can think of a couple of plays right in front of Crawford that the Yankees took the extra base. I was wondering if the scouting report on him was, run like he’s Damon. LOL (Sorry Erica
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If the right hitters have been getting on, I think that the Yankees would have run all over Jaso and the pitchers. I think that they will in the next two games, though.
No that I think it hasn’t happen , but I think this spells the end any possibilities of Javy being on the playoff roster.
Cashman needs to go September 21st, 2010 at 9:56 pm
so vazquez can’t start and can’t long relieve – what are the odds that he makes the PS roster? 1000 – 1?
also if you ban him from the ps roster – i would think he’d be embarrassed – but enough to offer him arbitration and he would decline it (2 draft picks if he does)
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will Vasquez even qualify as a Type A free agent?
This game isn’t over.
Oh joy…
I dont believe it. It was right back to him. For everyone else, that ball just dies right at the pitcher’s feet and he picks it up and throws to first. bad freakin luck.
Wow, 4-1 Cleveland.
Great…
Cano would have turned that DP easily if it doesn’t hit Chamberlain.
job a is such a pure athlete…
Yankees score 2 to go up 7-3, game over right?
Eh … not quite…
Jobber is going to help the Rays get back into it ..
Joba doesn’t have his good fastball tonight so far.
Nice pitch
Don’t throw hawpe sliders he has no bat speed.
Ouch. Off Sado’s guns
that was a great play by Jorge there…
Great by by Jorge…that’s a painful run saved right there.
Javy will be designated a Type C free agent…crapppy
I hate watching Joba in these situations
Great stop by Posada on a bad slider.
C’mon, Joba. Find the strike zone already.
3-2 slider time
Challenge him….no walks.
Throw a freaking fastball.
Just throw the fastball
Man does the bullpen stink the last couple of weeks.
Joba has got to challenge hitters.
he can’t through a slider here after bouncing the other one so badly, he has to challenge him with the fastball
Nasty slider
Much needed whiff.
Posada had to go out and convince mr slider to throw a FB. when will this kid get it?
I want Hughes to get 17 tonight.
OH YEAH!!!!!
Jonathan Winters can pitch!!
Bead hawpe used to be a player
as I was saying, has to throw the slider there…
3-2 slider worked….
“Yankees score 2 to go up 7-3, game over right?
Eh … not quite…
Jobber is going to help the Rays get back into it ..”
Pep, this just doesn’t sound like you. I am going to think that you’re just having a bad week, which happens.
That was a good pitch. Now throw strikes and let’s get the 3rd out…
Big clutch pitch by Chamberlain. Now back it up.
Hawpe missed that by a foot
That pitch took balls.
come on Wockeez , overpower Jaso here.
going to need a rested pen with box’o chocolates burnett going tomorrow.
Jaso is patient. Can’t walk him.
“Jonathan Winters can pitch!!”
And you found this out when?
Jonathan Winters can pitch!!
he kinda has that look doesn’t he.. Posada could be Soupy Sales..lol
Nice catch.
YEAH!
It was a great pitch because he swung at it….he doesn’t swing and its ball 4 and he walks a run in. That’s the risk in calling that pitch right there…you’re banking on getting the swing.
Phew
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JOBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big strikeout and flyout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HARDEE HAR HAR HAR HAR for all of you who didn’t think Joba would do it.
nice job by Chamberlain, that should do it…
So Mitre pitches the 9th inning? lol
Whew …
They do love to play with matches don’t they?
Nice pressure pitching. Even the infield single had a good chance of being an out had it not hit him. No harm, no foul.
Now we are in good shape…4 run lead, just 3 outs to go..
Man, that had to keep you on the edge of your seat. Nicely done by the Jobamaniac.
Quality work right there by Joba.
Chamberlain should finish this game, Girardi has to be nuts to put in Mitre or anyone else in that spot unless the Yankees add at least 2 more runs.
Joba for the 9th? That’s what I’d do I think.
Captain Clutch September 21st, 2010 at 10:05 pm
So Mitre pitches the 9th inning? lol
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Consider that was the highest leverage situation there , it’s not an absurd idea.
Given any replacement pitch a 4 run lead to get out 3 outs, believe or not, they get it done most the time.
But anywho, more Joba.
Need a couple more runs in the 8th. That’s a tough 2-6 hitter string that he has to face in the 9th.
be real nice if this offense could show up to put this game away and save some bullets in the bullpen with no off day till next thursday
Trisha,are you channeling Gleason with the Harde Har Har Har?
That wasn’t the easiest inning to have to pitch out of. Lots of pressure for Joba, and he did well.
Who pitches the last inning though?
When the going gets tough, the Yankees get it going.
When the going gets tough on lohud, smelling salts are needed everywhere.
I really wish I had some true companionship here but I know I have a unique brand of faith.
Still, it’s a lonely place sometimes. I’d do much better here if I got upset over every pitch thrown, decision made, and ball swung at.
Brad Hawpe has been horrible all season long. He has no bat speed whatsoever anymore. He’s looked like a fossil of the hitter he used to be.
Joba got the strike out but it should never have gotten to 3-2. Hawpe can’t hit a fastball anymore. Joba should have just attacked him right away.
Throwing a slider only speeds up his bat. It worked but that was enormously risky.
Score 5 runs here then put Brackman in to finish it
Andy Sonnanstine is married to Nurse Jackie
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/08.....nosebleed/
Ruby Tuesday September 21st, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Rays will get at least four runs this inning.
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Or 0.
I think Grandy could take Sonnenstine deep this inning.
Girardi is getting it done tonight. Nice work by our manager. Got to give him credit.
Joba stays with that slider more than I would like, but no doubt that was a nasty hook to Hawpe.
“Trisha,are you channeling Gleason with the Harde Har Har Har?”
Don’t know! If I was I wasn’t aware of it.
granderson needs to stick one in the lower stands.
Fist pump Joba fist pump!
I’d definitely have Joba start the 9th and hope he can finish it and save more arms in the pen.
This is Maddon’s sixth pitcher tonight; talk about wearing out your bullpen early.
What I especially like about Jobber and Vasquez is NO walks.
I can’t believe that Roy is the Phillies first pitcher to reach the 20 win plateau since 1982. Can’t believe that.
Gaudin for the 9th?
It looks like Sonnanstine comes off the rubber during his wind up. I didn’t think u could do that.
yeah…. balk balk balk
Interesting … nobody seems to want Girardi fired tonight.
come on Jete…pick up that 8th run.
Aha, he doesn’t do it from the stretch.
Good job Yankees
Jeterian….great swing.
“Interesting … nobody seems to want Girardi fired tonight.”
Managed a very good game (so far). Knew when to hook guys, made the right calls bringing guys in.
That’s a positive sign.
Big hit by gardner and a bigger hit by jeter.
Capt. Add-on.
Jetes is hitting again, morons.
Another great Jeter swing. He looks so much better at the plate. Rather than flying open with that front hit to clear his hands as we was doing so often he’s pulling his hands in and driving the ball the other way in that classic jeter swing.
Two out runs are always nice.
They are a much different offensive team at home than on the road this year.
gardner has 19 doubles.
let’s play baseball projection for a little bit. if he gets 30 next year, that’s a force out in left field, given the speed and defense he has.
no need for crawford. sign lee
If only we had a pitcher that is here for the expanded rosters who can pitch the ninth inning.
Someone whose pitched the 9th inning a lot this year.
Someone with 40 or so saves.
If only we had someone like that.
Girardi has had a good game tonight and it started when he filled out the lineup card.
The captain knows that Joba needs all of the insurance that they can get.
Now that there is a five run lead, Joba need not go out.
Why burn him out?
We may need him in the next two games.
You know, the Yanks have outplayed Tampa in every aspect of the game – including managing (I still can’t believe Maddon didn’t know who he was bringing into the game yesterday; only cost them a 3-run HR) – the past two games.
For all the concerns about NYY pitching rotation, once you get by Price, Tampa looks to have greater problems. Just look at their performance the past two weeks.
“Managed a very good game (so far). Knew when to hook guys, made the right calls bringing guys in.”
Which reminds me of the saying that the line between genius and idiocy in managing is entirely dependent upon whether the moves work out…
Joba with a five run lead seems a little wasteful, but I guess Joe doesn’t want to take any chances.
Albaladejo has looked very mediocre in his appearances since his call up. Haven’t seen the reported increase in his velocity much at all. Saves down in Scranton are irrelevant.
“They are a much different offensive team at home than on the road this year.”
No doubt.
1 pitch, 1 out that will help.
“For all the concerns about NYY pitching rotation, once you get by Price, Tampa looks to have greater problems. Just look at their performance the past two weeks.”
Totally agree. If the Yanks hold on to the division then I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Twins beat the Rays in the first round.
Giradi certainly not taking any chances.
CB September 21st, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Another great Jeter swing. He looks so much better at the plate. Rather than flying open with that front hit to clear his hands as we was doing so often he’s pulling his hands in and driving the ball the other way in that classic jeter swing.
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Did you see the little piece before the game where Long and Jeter added a timing device to his swing with a toe tap?
“Interesting … nobody seems to want Girardi fired tonight.”
It’s a slow news day, so maybe tonight would be a good time.
Isn’t amazing with all the Jeter bashing that he has 30 doubles compared to fleet footed Gardner’s 19…
Great play.
“or all the concerns about NYY pitching rotation, once you get by Price, Tampa looks to have greater problems. Just look at their performance the past two weeks.”
This is so true. Yankee fans have a way of looking at the teams and finding defects every where. But they don’t consider how every team has defects and in the end it’s the team that has the fewest defects that has the best shot at winning.
The Rays staff has significant questions on it as well and they are much more dependent on their starting pitching than the yanks.
The Rays offense also has more problems than the yankees in scoring runs without hitting home runs.
Wow, that was a very close play. Nicely done Captain.
Orioles 5-1, top of the 9th
New York Yankees = poetry in motion
“Albaladejo has looked very mediocre in his appearances since his call up. Haven’t seen the reported increase in his velocity much at all. ”
Yeah, I noticed that too. Granted, he hasn’t pitched much, but he looks like the same mediocre sinker/slider guy he was last year.
Wasn’t the word on him that he added a new cutter that helped increased his strikeouts and started to throw 93-94? Haven’t even seen a glimpse of that yet.
One out premature, but Great Win! Great recovery from Phil and great performance by Javy and Joba!!!
Nope, you finish with Joba here and give him the next two days off.
You don’t play it any other way.
A win tonight and they stay in first place at the end of this series regardless of how the next two days play out.
“Did you see the little piece before the game where Long and Jeter added a timing device to his swing with a toe tap?”
GB7-
I did. Sounds like Long was trying to decrease the motion in Jeter’s toe tap. Those toe taps can be really big problems because if they get too big or are off sequence they are going to make a hitter very late.
And that’s how Jeter has looked all season. Imagine if that’s what the problem had been. Let’s hope.
CB September 21st, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Albaladejo has looked very mediocre in his appearances since his call up. Haven’t seen the reported increase in his velocity much at all. Saves down in Scranton are irrelevant.
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He’s pitched 5.2 innings in September, given up 2 hits, no runs, 1 walk and 3 Ks.
He’s been closing games all year. There’s a 5 run lead and your bullpen is tired.
I’d like to see what he can do and save Joba’s bullets, but that’s just my opinion.
Where did Jorge just get hit????????????????
Oh no…… Please be okay Jorge.
Ouch.
Ouch…
Considering they don’t have MO (or anyone good) available in the pen, taking out Joba would have been a huge risk
Mitre, Mosely, Ring, etc. don’t inspire confidence.
Oh, Okay, he got hit in his man junk!
Really solid bullpen work tonight by Chamberlain.
OUCH…Posada gets his cup dented. KLANK.
By the way, whether you care to admit it or not it was Girardi holding the line and resting players when this forum was ready to riot because of it that got the Yankees to where they are right now.
Catching is just brutal. It’s no surprise why most catcher just can’t hit.
The magic number could be down to 3 tonight !
Just another huge win for the Yankees
The Red Sox brought Papelbon into a game when they were losing 5-1.
Hard to believe there were Yankee fans still worried about them less than a week ago.
GREAT JOB JOBA
GREAT JOB YANKEES
Great job Trisha.
Boy, that had me worried there for a bit.
Nice job Joba, nice win for the Yanks. That is showing the Rays who’s home this is.
“Orioles 5-1, top of the 9th
New York Yankees = poetry in motion”
With the way things are going, we may not get the chance to personally eliminate them
Good job by Joba tonight…..#17 for Phil and 2.5 game lead.
The bright spot of the night was that Hughes didn’t fold when he could have. Instead, he flourished.
Excellent work from Joba tonight.
That was quality pitching.
“Hard to believe there were Yankee fans still worried about them less than a week ago.”
For all we know there could still be some lurking here!!!
SJ, I agree.
Now we should go for the sweep.
This seires reminds me of the mini Boston massacre when Yanks went to Boston three years back and swept them in a four game series and won the division by a good margin.
May the history repeat except it is against the Rays.
“With the way things are going, we may not get the chance to personally eliminate them ”
that would be 8-1 Baltimore in the 9th
Sox have Papelbon pitching the 9th down 5-1 and his ERA is rising by the second after giving up 3 runs so far.
The Yankees Magic Number to clinch the division is now 10!!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....72007.html
Yay !
Good win !
Now that game was the way I like it.
Papelbon getting shelled by the Orioles
How times have changed… the Os with a win tonight, guarantee themselves a split of the season-series vs. Boston.
Papelbon doing his best to finish the season with an ERA over 4.00
Hey … I know you, you’re the World Champions, where have you guys been the past 3 weeks?
We’ve missed you. Glad to have you boys back!
All the talk about the “young Rays” and how they are better prepared for the long haul over the “old Yankees” doesn’t seem to be panning out does it?
The “old Yankees” seem to be shifting into second gear while the Tampas are still stuck in first.
I predict sweep. Yankees with a 4 1/2 game lead after Thursday. Book it.
This win tonight ensures that no matter what happens in the next two games, the Yankees remain in 1st
I am getting so sick of these disputes between cable companies and broadcast networks, as well as the accompanying threats of service interruptions. Regulate these robber barrons.
In the biggest series of the season, the yankees had a 23 year old pitcher who had made 7 major league starts throwing in game 1 and a 24 year old pitcher in his first year in the rotation taking the rubber in game two.
Headed into this season Shields and Garza were the Rays #1 and #2. Price has since clearly taken that role but nonetheless the rays had much more experienced guys starting these two games.
And the yankees not only out hit the rays – they have out pitched them and done so thoroughly.
Just two great all around games by the yankees to beat a Rays team that is on pace for 98-100 wins itself.
I am glad Phil hung in there and battled. Hopefully he can build on this and be a tad more economical with his pitches next outing.. Great night all around!
9-1 o’s. Bwahahaha.
Pepitone September 21st, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Hey … I know you, you’re the World Champions, where have you guys been the past 3 weeks?
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You missed the memo. They were resting silly!!!!!
CB September 21st, 2010 at 10:20 pm
“Did you see the little piece before the game where Long and Jeter added a timing device to his swing with a toe tap?”
GB7-
I did. Sounds like Long was trying to decrease the motion in Jeter’s toe tap. Those toe taps can be really big problems because if they get too big or are off sequence they are going to make a hitter very late.
And that’s how Jeter has looked all season. Imagine if that’s what the problem had been. Let’s hope.
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He seems to be using a two tap approach, but, right now, it’s working and keeping him back.
I remember when O’Neill got it down and later went with the leg kick, he was hammering pitches all over the upper deck, and the last couple of years, Don Mattingly went with a higher leg kick to add some power. Not something to teach the youngsters, but, veterans seem to adapt well to that and know when it’s getting to be too much.
Wow. Papelbon totally sucking. He’s probably not going to be a red sock next year.
Nothing is funnier than watching Jonathan Papelbon pitching in a mop up role in Boston, get lit up, and watch the fans pour out of Fenway Park.
Yet, we have folks on here still fixated on the Red Sox.
the Yankees have historically taken care of the teams chasing them late in the season. They have a real chance to sweep this series and essentially put away the AL East before the series with the Sox. They won’t blow a 4 1/2 game lead with 10 games left if that’s what it comes to.
Seriously Orioles 8-1 top of the 9th.
I am predicting a rash of overdoses in beantown hospitals, between the Sux and the Pats choking.
Brady has a lot of money though. Even if he won’t be seen, I’m sure his hair stylist will visit his home. What a loser.
Sorry now 9-1
GO YOU NEW AND IMPROVED ORIOLES!!!!!
A 4.5 game lead after Thursday would be so choice.
I know everyone’s thinking sweep.
C’mon, don’t be afraid to admit it.
SWEEP BABY
Nice to see the Red Sox crash & burn…..
I suspect the WS will be a rematch between the Yankees and Phillies. I’m not picking a winner at this point.
It’s going to be tough to trade Papelbon.
Not a big market for closers making 10 million in their walk year who have been trending downward the past two years.
SWEEP THE RAYS and send them packin’ for the Wild Card, Baby !
If NYYs can get to Davis tomorrow night, then they can get greedy and go for the sweep. Tomorrow’s the real key. A win and at worse they have a 2 and a half game lead after the series.
Do you all remember the bragadoccio Sux fans always dumping on Yankee fans because they had 5 million sold out games in a row and Yankee fans (so they always said) would leave games early if the Yanks weren’t winning?
Well check out the availability of Sux tickets and also the complaining on WEEI that fans leave games early.
That’s why I always caution against spitting in the air…
Cue CR9 rant about how Andino caves to the S*x…
I would be satisfied with a split the next two. But why not, let’s get greedy and hope for a sweep.
# CB September 21st, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Catching is just brutal. It’s no surprise why most catcher just can’t hit.
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… or start a family
Papelbon started that inning with a 3.39 ERA and ended the inning with a 3.92 ERA. Ouch.
CB September 21st, 2010 at 10:26 pm
In the biggest series of the season, the yankees had a 23 year old pitcher who had made 7 major league starts throwing in game 1 and a 24 year old pitcher in his first year in the rotation taking the rubber in game two.
Headed into this season Shields and Garza were the Rays #1 and #2. Price has since clearly taken that role but nonetheless the rays had much more experienced guys starting these two games.
And the yankees not only out hit the rays – they have out pitched them and done so thoroughly.
Just two great all around games by the yankees to beat a Rays team that is on pace for 98-100 wins itself.
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CB, I’m a big fan of your prose.
So much for the Red Sox having the best rotation in baseball
“I know everyone’s thinking sweep.
C’mon, don’t be afraid to admit it.”
Big game for Burnett tomorrow.
# CB September 21st, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Catching is just brutal. It’s no surprise why most catcher just can’t hit.
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Very true. Look what happened to Cervelli when Posada got healthier and started catching more. With the extra rest, Cervelli suddenly started hitting again. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe not.
Why is tito throwing Paps in a mop up role. What is going on up there besides a floundering season?
And yesterday or the day before tito used Bard who has been worn down to a nub. Can’t understand taking any chances with his arm.
Papelbon’s days in boston are numbered if they can move his salary (not easy). But bard? Don’t get it.
All of the hand wringing from yankee fans even as late as last week about the mighty Red Sox and how they “wouldn’t go away” the team that you “can’t dismiss” and look at how meekly they’re closing the season.
sj,
great point. and he’ll make more than 10 next year. 13?
CB, it is pretty amazing that Nova and Hughes have gone up against it in a huge series and stepped up to the job.
I’m really impressed with Nova, not that he hasn’t had his moments, but talk about a tough time to learn on the job. The pressure of these games have to get to the young players quite a bit.
Hughes bent tonight, but didn’t break. That was a good outing from him, especially with how he worked out of trouble.
Red Sox really need to start winning a couple of games here. I really want to them get eliminated on Fri but it looks like they want nothing to do with that.
And this sounds crazy but I think a Yank sweep here might benefit the Rays as well. With the race for 1st essentially over they could rest as well and set up their own postseason rotation.
With AJ going tomorrow that sweep is still a long way away but the bats are working so you never know.
If the Yanks win the division, they get Texas and Hamilton and his hurt ribs, but also Lee again. Take the path of the lesser evils there. Minnesota with Liriano and a hurt Mauer is the alternative.
“I am glad Phil hung in there and battled. Hopefully he can build on this and be a tad more economical with his pitches next outing.. Great night all around!”
Now I want to see you start to do the same thing. If you expect it from the Yankees you need to show you can do it. Start hanging in and battling rather than throwing in the white towel at every turn in the road!
“Not a big market for closers making 10 million in their walk year who have been trending downward the past two years.”
I can see the Mets being involved, but there was a note last week in Barrons that Wilpon sold a $250m judgment against Madoff to a hedge fund for 20 cents on the dollar, so they may or may not have the ability to pay him.
Thanks BJK that’s thoughtful of you to say.
Pretty amazing that Hughes has 17 wins…
How many people still believe Joe wasn’t trying to win the division?
The guy is a great manager!
CB September 21st, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Why is tito throwing Paps in a mop up role.
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He hadn’t pitched since the 14th. I’m guessing they figured they’d better get him into a game.
if mo doesn’t blow those two saves on the road trip we have a 4 1/2 game lead right now.
As said previously, Hughes seems to have learned how to pitch ugly this season. I’ll take these wins any day from a young pitcher.
“Now I want to see you start to do the same thing. If you expect it from the Yankees you need to show you can do it. Start hanging in and battling rather than throwing in the white towel at every turn in the road!”
What the hell is that all about ?
Not being able to move Papelbon has the potential to really hamstring Boston next year. If he continues to trend downward, he’s going to be a liability in their pen, and with his contract he will be hard to move.
Look at the Red Sox.
What an intelligent and shrewd organization. Leaving Papelbon out there to burn as a mop up guy so they can raise his ERA and get a better deal on their arb case with him!
HUGE game for AJ tomorrow.
He needs to serve it up for CC.
Very true. Look what happened to Cervelli when Posada got healthier and started catching more. With the extra rest, Cervelli suddenly started hitting again. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe not.
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I would say Catcher is the toughest job to do. They get beat up all the time. That said, doesn’t it give you even more respect for what Posada does? With all the dings he gets, yet still able to hit the ball well.
I would venture to say that Mauer is showing some wear and tear from the position, he’s had two seasons now with injuries that reflect the position.
Rich ,on that note, I think the Mets are officially eliminated from playoff considerations. Maybe Wilpons can use that 50 mil to improve upon their product.
“What an intelligent and shrewd organization. Leaving Papelbon out there to burn as a mop up guy so they can raise his ERA and get a better deal on their arb case with him!”
I thought of that but wasn’t sure if he was still arb eligible.
The Mets won’t touch Papelbon.
They have no chance to win the KRod grievance and they won’t be able to trade him.
I think Papelbon plays it out in Boston next year and then departs as a FA.
Red Sox lost 8 games off their magic number in the past 5 games
Remember how they were “surging” and we were going go into Fenway having not clinched?
Now that they are dead, hope the paranoia about them will end. Though there might be a few fans expressing their agita about how Buchholz lowered his ERA to 2.39, rather than enjoying their implosion tonight.
I was just kidding with you a little (hence the smiley) for being precipitious in your calls sometimes. No big deal.
Big time performance by Hughes and the Yankee offense tonight. With the pen short, Hughes gave them length despite struggling and the offense jumped out early to give him some cushion. End result, the Yankees win the game and rest their bullpen in the process. Props to Javy and Joba as well for getting some big outs.
If AJ shows up then the Yankees should also have a good chance to win tomorrow. They have guaranteed leaving the series in first place after the win tonight and have guaranteed at least at chance for CC to take the series on Thursday…. How nice would it be to get the win tomorrow and be able to just sit back and watch CC/Price on Thursday knowing that the Yanks will have at least a 2.5 game lead regardless of the outcome.
I can see the Phillies being interested in Papelbon.
Terrific win tonight………….
On to the Playoffs!
“The Mets won’t touch Papelbon. ”
wouldn’t make sense for them to….but then again, they are the Mets.
Cano this year has done what people said he couldn’t do….be patient and draw walks. He was 45 walks plus 13 intentional walks. He should get the additional 5 walks and reach a pretty solid 50 unintentional walks.
“if mo doesn’t blow those two saves on the road trip we have a 4 1/2 game lead right now.”
Yeah but if Uehara doesn’t give it up in the bottom of the 9th, under those same circumstances we have a 3 1/2 game lead. (I think your point is that it’s unusual for Mo to blow saves)
Sux postgame show should be pretty horrendo! 9-1 final
Cashmoney
If I was Fred, I would hire a very smart COO so that my son no longer looks like an idiot.
The Sox could always non-tender Paps but how likely is that.
On the other hand is he a $10+ mil closer anymore? Maybe. There could be a team that’s willing to gamble he just needs a change of scenery but if the Sox want a nice payday that’s not happening.
Mets, dodgers, maybe Giants. Guess it depends on how much the Sox are willing to eat.
I miss the Straw and AC1.
Cleveland 4 -2 top of the 8th
“Though there might be a few fans expressing their agita about how Buchholz lowered his ERA to 2.39, rather than enjoying their implosion tonight.”
Really wish we were facing him this weekend… we can add to his ERA.
joe went with the playoff lineup tonight so tomorrow i expect to see half of these guys ” resting” but as long as we don’t see kearns then im happy.
Plenty of good stuff tonight.
I got on Phil for his HR/command issues, but in the end, he did gut it out and, in fact, got better as he went on. He also threw changeups – very good sign. He gave the team some much needed innings…………
If paps stays in Boston, he will end up as a mop up man.
From what I’ve read over the past few months, the Mets are looking to cut payroll next season, maybe by as much as $20M. SJ may be able to say more on this. Forget Papelbon, or any other big acquisition this winter.
The Mets are not going to be players in anything other than a Keystone Kops movie.
Sunny,
Do you work for Marvel?
Rich in NJ September 21st, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Cashmoney
If I was Fred, I would hire a very smart COO so that my son no longer looks like an idiot.
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Good point. I am very surprised Fred is even able to dump madoff credit for the said ratio.
“Cano this year has done what people said he couldn’t do….be patient and draw walks. ”
GB7-
That’s true and it’s been a big plus to Robbi’s game.
But even more than that just by improving his strike zone command Robbi has forced pitchers to come to him and been the guy driving at bats. That’s given him much better pitches to hit.
Pitchers can no longer bail themselves out by getting Robbi to expand the zone. Even today I think it was that first at bat – Robbi took a pitch that was low but not that low. The umb made a bad call and called it a strike and Robbi was just shaking his head disagreeing with the call.
That’s just great to see. Cano won’t swing at the pitchers pitch with any significant frequency.
I think this is part of why he’s hit with RISP so much better and knocked in so many RBI’s. He’s just commanding the zone so much better.
The walks are a big plus. But improving his strike zone command has had even broader implications for the nature of his game.
He’s become a hitter very similar to Don Mattingly this season. Not as much power of course. But very similar hitters. Neither one walked a ton but they both have the great bat control to not have to depend on walks. They just need to have the strike zone command to make sure they don’t tip the advantage to the pitcher and swing at his pitch.
It’s been wonderful to see Robbi make that transition this season.
The Phillies won’t touch Papelbon either.
They have Lidge under contract for another year or two.
It’s going to be next to impossible to move Papelbon next year. Especially given it’s his walk year.
Marvel an DC sometimes SAS. How’d you know?
Oh, and Jeter is looking a lot better – that’s just enormous.
And. Not ‘an’
Orioles playing 625 baseball under Buck.
Papelbon is gong to stay in Boston. If they decide to cut tie with him (which I don’t think they will on draft picks alone) he will most like command a Soriano type of contract for 1-2 years.
There just aren’t that many contending team in need of closer.
“The Sox could always non-tender Paps but how likely is that.”
I hadn’t even thought of that but were the Sox to follow their organizational philosophy non-tendering him may actually make the most sense. He’s not even remotely close to being worth $10M.
How great would that be. Paps non-tendered.
They’ll try to move him and probably wind up keeping him. But objectively non-tendering him has a lot of merit given how much he’ll earn. The sox have the money to pay him but it’s not the usual dollar “efficiency” the sox love to pride themselves on.
Phil is 17-8. Please raise your hand if you had phil down for this many wins. I certainly didn’t. Whats even more scary is that AJ had 18 wins in a free agent year at age 32 and phil has a chance to get 18 wins in his first year as a SP. UNREAL!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09.....038;st=cse
“You probably won’t see him back to 100 percent until at least three months after his return,” said Levitz, who trained under Dr. James Andrews, one of the foremost experts on shoulder injuries and who consulted on Santana’s case.
“It usually requires between 70 and 80 innings before a pitcher is back to normal,” Levitz said. “He could help them if they make the playoffs next year, but he probably won’t be able to really help them get there.”
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That’s rough…………….
Mets and Paplebon? I don’t think so………………I think Parnell will get a shot
Looked at your blog site or whatever you call it. My sister worked for Marvel for a very long time quite a while ago.
Gammons on Francessa last week said Papelbon will be motivated next year and will use this off-season eager to shut up the critics… then he will have a monster year and the Sox will let him walk and turn to Bard
Also said a scout told him that Iglacious? (one of their SS prospects I think) was the best fielder he has ever seen
Benny, I had no expectations for Phil coming into this season – I simply had no clue how he’d react to being a starter again. He’s gotten fantastic run support, but even if you take 3 wins away, that’s still not bad at all. I still am most happy at his staying healthy…………
Masterson doing his best to blow it for the Tribe…
Cool. What did she do?
We can sh*t on Papelbon all we want . But the fact is Boston need him with Bard , even in a reversal role. Those marginal dollars saved by cutting Papelbon won’t motivate Boston to cut tie with one of their two reliable arms in the BP. Boston has tons of money coming off the book.
Papelbon will stay in Boston in my opinion.
The best fielder he’s ever seen? I love hyperbole.
CB, Mattingly is a good comparison and for old geezers like Randy and Pat M, very much like Tony Oliva before the knee injuries robbed him of his HOF numbers. I see him as the same type of hitter and bat skills as a left handed version of Clemente. Just comparing their first 6 years, their numbers are quite similar. Cano hits for a little more power, but, you can’t pitch to either of them one way and you don’t know where to play them because they’ll hit any pitch in any direction.
I’m very happy Berk is helping this team right now. More bad news for Wade Davis.
Imagine they had a LH DH hitting like he currently is all season? That would have been nice.
VP Marketing and Promotion. She made Spiderman, the Hulk and Captain America household names.
“Also said a scout told him that Iglacious? (one of their SS prospects I think) was the best fielder he has ever seen”
Gammons was saying that “scouts” were telling him Iglesias was the best defensive SS in the minor just after he signed with Boston and before Iglesias even played his first professional inning in the States.
He was the best before he even played an inning. Can’t wait to see him. What a talent he must be.
Feel bad for Vazquez… he was looking at a huge payday after this year. Finished 3rd in the CY Young voting last year in the NL and this year and was slated to be the 2nd best pitcher on the market after Lee
Now he’s come here and faded into the oblivion… 5 ERA and out of the rotation
If Hughes wasn’t skipped for 4 or 5 starts. He’d probably have 20 wins now.
House of Steinbrenner on ESPN2
The yankees may score a lot of runs on nights that hughes pitches, but, go back and look to see when most of those tack on runs happen…late and after he’s out of the game. Tonight is an example….3 runs of the 8 runs after he’s out of the game.
Wow. Why did she quit?
“Gammons was saying that “scouts” were telling him Iglesias was the best defensive SS in the minor just after he signed with Boston and before Iglesias even played his first professional inning in the States.”
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Iglesias has so much range that he can make plays in US from Cuba.
GB, that’s absolutely true……………especially earlier in the season.
Hughes threw 15 changeups!
Money. Women weren’t paid as well back then. She had quite a career. My sons had a couple of cool birthday parties and went to the White House to The Easter Egg Roll one year when Reagan was President like 1981.
Minny just tied the score
Adeiny Hechavarria was the other Cuban the Yankees went after this year. I would be very curious how he will turn out in light of the sizable investment by the Jays.
http://www.baseball-reference......chav001ade
And took the lead
GreenBeret7 September 21st, 2010 at 11:02 pm
The yankees may score a lot of runs on nights that hughes pitches, but, go back and look to see when most of those tack on runs happen…late and after he’s out of the game. Tonight is an example….3 runs of the 8 runs after he’s out of the game.
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agree. and his high era is basically him not going 7 or 8 innings every start. So going 5 or 6 and giving up 2 or 3 earned runs will keep it high.
Outside of the presidents of the companies, no one was paid well. Especially the women and contractor/freelancers (like me). Comics only recently has become lucrative. But only if you create one of those comics that gets turned into a movie. (like Kick Ass).
“Leaving Papelbon out there to burn as a mop up guy so they can raise his ERA and get a better deal on their arb case with him!”
LGY
That’s hilarious. And the funniest thing is, it may be true.
Betsy
I hope she’s doing great now SAS.
cb,
but i was assured that he was the red sox ss of the future!! that scutaro was a place holder before a new and improved arod/nomar/jeter was comoing out of that vaunted red sox system? what a joke…
Does Freddy still come to the games anymore?
Yes, she is fine. By the way, she can’t draw a straight line…lol
I read in Newsday that Phil is now at 169 and 1/3. If his innings limit is 175, then he has to skip 2 more starts….which I can’t see happening this close to the playoffs.
LOL! Neither can I. Lucky for me, spidey is all wavy and scrunched up.
Hughes only has 2 more starts this year – Monday @ Toronto and the final day of the season in Boston.
Hughes only has 2 starts left this season
Actually.. nevermind…. he starts Sunday night vs. Boston and next Saturday also against Boston.
Maybe Hughes’ll be moved to the bullpen.
UnKnown September 21st, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Does Freddy still come to the games anymore?
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He sure does. Looks like something the dog chewed though.
I got to bang on the frying pan earlier this season
So the yankees pretty much hit Hughes innings limit perfectly. Who would have thought.
.which I can’t see happening this close to the playoffs.
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You can’t see Hughes being skipped in Boston? I mean I don’t think it’s a big deal either way, there isn’t any evidences that 6 innings will preserve or make his arm explode one way or another.
Well, they might have to skip him one more start, but I wouldn’t do that……Maybe his limits are closer to 185. If so, then they won’t have to skip him.
Hughes will be limited in his last start of the season. He’ll be lucky to throw 3 innings.
No, I don’t think skipping him and screwing with his routine again this close to the playoffs is a good idea. They might just as well have skipped him tonight if they were going to do that.
“Maybe Hughes’ll be moved to the bullpen.”
Nooooooooooooo.
Minny won
By the way, I expect Pettitte to be the only starter that will throw close to his normal innings in his last start with even CC limited to maybe 5-6 innings.
The Yankees probably should have skipped him then if he’s going to be pitching that few innings in his last start of the season…………
Good night Yankee people!
No, they shouldn’t have skipped him as most playoff teams limit their starters in their last start of the regular season.
Oh, ok – you mean limited because the playoffs are upcoming? Ok, that makes sense………..then he should be fine.
Betsy September 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm
No, I don’t think skipping him and screwing with his routine again this close to the playoffs is a good idea. They might just as well have skipped him tonight if they were going to do that.
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Well then , the rational thing would be throw him 1 or 2 inning and a bullpen session after that.
If the concern is keeping him sharp. It’s no big deal one way or another to me.
There is no reason to start any pitcher who is going to start in the post-season next weekend in Boston.
Good night Erica!
So who gets to punch AJ in the eye before tomorrow’s game?
His final start of the year will be a meaningless game in Boston… they can take him out after 3 innings if they desire.
Also will be interesting to see how they handle CC… his last scheduled start of the year is Tuesday against Toronto. An opportunity to give him a nice break.
They try to keep them close to their routine as far as days between starts, but limit those innings in that last start to save some bullets for when it really counts which is the playoffs.
CB,
Gammons’ “scout” has told him that Iglesias is the best defensive SS in the major league’s, not minors.
If he can’t hit, he’ll last in Boston shorter than Rey Ordonez did in Queens who was another labeled best fielder in the history game at his position when it was trendy.
I doubt Boston is going to settle for an Ordonez type as their SS of the future.
Also, Gammons was on the radio a week or so ago claiming that there is a deal to be made between the Mets and Red Sox for Jose Reyes involving Iglesias.
The fact that he let that out tells me everything I need to know about Iglesias.
“There is no reason to start any pitcher who is going to start in the post-season next weekend in Boston.”
Then why did the Yankees use their starters during the last weekend of last year then?
Girardi already said they don’t plan to skip Hughes any more for the remainder of the season.
It was in Tampa last year, right? CC was trying for his 20th win, but didn’t get it.
Gammons also said that Epstein’s excrement smells better than the freshest flowers at The Botanical Gardens.
What else is new?
“It was in Tampa last year, right? CC was trying for his 20th win, but didn’t get it.”
Correct. CC only threw 2.2 innings because he got shelled… threw 82 pitches though.
Andy lasted 4.1 innings, threw 95 pitches. Burnett threw 5 innings/85 pitches.
I am very intrigued by what’s happening in the NL WEST right now. It looks like SD , SF ,CO and ATL will be lock in a mortal struggle coming down the stretch for two spots into the playoff,
In other breaking news, Gammon’s “scout” reports that Theo Epstein doesn’t sweat, is well mannered and is the best looking GM in baseball.
timbritton Lance Berkman: “This is the best team I?ve ever been on, and there?s not really a close second.” #Yankees #the05astrosawaittheirapology
#UnKnown September 21st, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Does Freddy still come to the games anymore?
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Yes, he does. Saw him at the last two games I attended, earlier this month. Banged his pan at one of them.
Just in from a board meeting, missed the game although my friend in the bleachers was texting me updates. Great win!
art_stapleton Vazquez on Girardi not using him when he’s trying to win these games: “Hopefully I’ll prove him wrong and he’ll start using me.” #Yankees
Thanks for that answer. I love that Freddy still makes an appearance there.
By the way, Freddy is still sponsored by Modell’s and will sell you his “game used” signs. Not sure how much they cost. He also is available for birthday parties or other promotional appearances. I think he might terrify kids at a birthday party, though.
“I am very intrigued by what’s happening in the NL WEST right now. It looks like SD , SF ,CO and ATL will be lock in a mortal struggle coming down the stretch for two spots into the playoff,”
The traditionalist Bob Costas couldn’t have been more wrong.
Gammons is reporting that the Red Sox have a guy twice as old as Freddy that can bang Beethoven’s 5th on a pan.
Phil just needs to find his control again; I think I read this was the 3rd start in the last 10 where he’s walked at least 5
Javy shouldn’t be pissed off – he got himself in this situation by pitching horribly.
DH in Both league , perhaps an additional WC and 26 man roster spot. No, Costas would not like me at all. MLBPA would prolly love me.
RSM – love it! Funny stuff!
Watched the first few innings, after that it looked like bend, but don’t break. Great job getting it done with just 3 pitchers.
And the offense!
I keep pounding the series record, but you’d hate to lose the division on tiebreakers. Take the next two. Pretty please.
pat,
You find more good spots with tidbits of information.
Watching Dodgers and Padres and they just said that Boomer made some comments today having to do with Saint Joe’s retirement. I didn’t read the comments but they said Boomer said he didn’t like Joe Torre, he didn’t think he treated all of his players fairly, he had his favorites that he would let do certain things but never let the other guys have the same opportunity.
Definitely sounds about right.
On Torre, I know he didn’t mean to, but he did.
He basically let the cat out of the bag that he talked to the owners and they weren’t talking about the weather and golf swings. As much as Jerry is an @ss, he still is the manager and Torre was out of line. He did apologize for it.
Javy shouldn’t say anything at all. He’s a quote minefield.
Did Nick check in? I’m going to eat a burger tonight and honor Phil with Nick (in Spirit).
I’m hardly a fan of Torre, but Manuel needs to be real. Rightly or wrongly, Torre is well thought of by some people, and there are few franchises that can pay what Torre can earn. So there may be mutual interest, and both sides could be in a hurry to find out. Manuel is toast anyway. He needs to chill.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Watching Dodgers and Padres and they just said that Boomer made some comments today having to do with Saint Joe’s retirement. I didn’t read the comments but they said Boomer said he didn’t like Joe Torre, he didn’t think he treated all of his players fairly, he had his favorites that he would let do certain things but never let the other guys have the same opportunity.
Definitely sounds about right.
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Boomer Esiason?
Yes, that does sound about right. Leave it that pompous, fat ass David Wells to yap his trap yet again. I am hard pressed to think of anyone with less credibility.
Talk about writing poorly received books! How about getting fined 100 grand for doing so? And having a hangover when you pitch, or bragging that that he threw rocks at homeless people, or quitting on his team after one inning in the world series with a mysterious backache.
And who in life gets treated equally? Sabathia gets a suite in road trips, you think Cano does? Torre has more class in his little pinky than Wells has in his entire bulbous body.
I think you mean Boomer is a quote minefield. You never have to wonder where you stand with the guy and he doesn’t sugarcoat things for anybody. I’d rather have a loudmouth like Boomer that you can take at his word than the two-face he was talking about.
Anyway here’s the article.
http://content.usatoday.com/co.....oe-torre/1
To be fair to Vazquez, Girardi didn’t treat him fairly
“I’m hardly a fan of Torre, but Manuel needs to be real. Rightly or wrongly, Torre is well thought of by some people, and there are few franchises that can pay what Torre can earn. So there may be mutual interest, and both sides could be in a hurry to find out. Manuel is toast anyway. He needs to chill.”
Not to mention, the ire should be directed more towards Wally Backman, who has been publicly campaigning for the job for months.
Girardi has given Javy more than enough opportunity. Javy knows the drill. Says he understands it, but his comments show that his needs are more important than that of the team.
“And who in life gets treated equally? Sabathia gets a suite in road trips, you think Cano does? Torre has more class in his little pinky than Wells has in his entire bulbous body”
Why Girardi negotiated CC’s contract? Apples and oranges. Anyone who watched Torre manage knows he had his favorites and arabesqued players he didn’t care for. He was the personal kiss of death for Jeff Nelson – and in turn for the Yankees because it was the beginning of a downhill slide for the vaunted pen without Nellie.
And he had his favorites with bullpen pitchers until he burned them out and then he had no use for them anymore. He did it to Sturtze, he did it to Brian Bruney, he did it to Scott Proctor, he did it to Randy Choate. Used them until their arms fell off and then blew them off. Meanwhile he let pitchers like Quantrill grow roots.
Vazquez can say whatever he wants , he just won’t make the playoff roster in my book.
I remember his response to Ozzie’s challenge was ‘You know what? It’s not going to [change a lot of opinions] because I’m really the type of guy that when I retire, I’m going to be home in Puerto Rico with my family. I’m not looking to have to change minds if people feel that way.
Carry on Javy , carry on.
Gee let me think…who do I believe. David Wells, or Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte. Hmmmm? Tough one. Still thinking.
How has Joe not treated him fairly? Now he should have pitched between his last start and now – is that what you mean? No question Javy is in the doghouse…………..but I don’t like having doghouses. I’m sure there have been chances between his last start and tonight where he could have pitched. That said, I’m tired of him. It’s his crappy pitching that got him where he is today.
Funny but I recall Torre saying just a few days ago that he spoke to “Ned” about a position in LA and how his Safe at Home foundation opened an office in LA and he was probably going to help his wife do whatever she does.
But you get the feeling that his brief appearance last night has him pining a bit for that spotlight. I’m not sure how he would do in Queens but it would be coming full circle for him. And it would be interesting here in NY to say the least.
“Girardi has given Javy more than enough opportunity. Javy knows the drill. Says he understands it, but his comments show that his needs are more important than that of the team.”
Can you blame him?
He was in line for a multi-year deal at big $$ after this year. He had a monster year in Atlanta and it looked like it was setup for him to do well here as the #4.
Now? He can’t even throw 88 MPH and has been banished to the pen and has an ERA over 5. He might be forced into retirement when he was thought to be the 2nd best pitcher this winter coming into the year.
M, that’s what I’m thinking as well…………being competitive is one thing, but Javy sounds awfully bitter.
Trisha you don’t know Jack about what went on in the Yankees clubhouse. Not a thing. I guess that Derek Jeter calls him Mr. Torre and speaks of him in glowing, fatherly terms is meaningless. Ditto Mo and Jorge. Instead you take the word of a fat obnoxious drunk with a checkered past.
Yes I can blame him because he’s pitched like garbage and he’s opening his mouth. Sure he has the right to be disappointed in himself, but it’s not the Yankees fault that he’s pitched this badly – and they have bigger fish to fry than getting Javy back on the mound so he can try and fix his rep and get a nice pay day after the season.
“Gee let me think…who do I believe. David Wells, or Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte. Hmmmm? Tough one. Still thinking.”
Yeah all the homegrowns that were part of the organization he inherited or the newcomer Wells. That’s a real tough one.
You have to have total class to trash the organization you just left and to throw players under the bus and to discuss personal things that you saw or heard and make them public so the people can be highly embarrassed. This from the two-face who had players dumped if they went to the press because he didn’t believe in airing dirty laundry.
Class plus. Good managing on the west coast too.
What a joke.
Why should Girardi use a pitcher who throws 88 MPH and is a HR machine?
Anyway… Vazquez is just snippy because he’s realizing what this season did for his value this winter.
Whose fault is it that he’s lost his velocity? The Yankees traded for him to be their 4th starter not to boost his market value.
It’s not the Yankees fault he couldn’t even be the 5th starter. Moseley and Nova both did better in the role. They’re going to turn that down to placate Javy?
Wells doesn’t like Torre because he used to make him turn down his music. And Torre fined him for wearing Babe Ruth’s hat.
I like them both and the fact that they don’t get along isn’t some big surprise. They’re practically polar opposites.
“Trisha you don’t know Jack about what went on in the Yankees clubhouse. Not a thing. I guess that Derek Jeter calls him Mr. Torre and speaks of him in glowing, fatherly terms is meaningless. Ditto Mo and Jorge”
Christ I thought I was naive! Jeter wouldn’t say sh*t if he had a mouthful and the players he fawned all over would naturally speak glowingly of him. I know everything about what on in the Yankee clubhouse, duh, because players talked about it all the time. And since I had eyes, I also saw what he did to players.
If the Mets want to pay him, he can be had, but he works only for big bucks.
SAS September 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 am
If the Mets want to pay him, he can be had, but he works only for big bucks.
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And Bigelow Irish tea.
Yes, that’s exactly why he’s snippy, but he sounds ridiculous when he opens his mouth………
Wow, is that true….the Orioles gained at least a season split with the Sox? Impressive!
As for that little piece of trash Andino, I wonder what he did versus them in these 2 games. Probably never made contact with the ball. dirtpile Roberts too!
Wells shoots from the hip (yes, they’re in there somewhere). And he’s obnoxious about it. There’s some thruth in his comments, but the song is overplayed.
Wells had faults of his own, he shouldn’t talk so much about others.
http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/pages/livestream
Can watch the Twins celebrate here.
What did Vazquez actually say in this particular instance?
“Trisha you don’t know Jack about what went on in the Yankees clubhouse. Not a thing. I guess that Derek Jeter calls him Mr. Torre and speaks of him in glowing, fatherly terms is meaningless. Ditto Mo and Jorge
Citing the Core 4 is meaingless considering they were basically the only ones he got along with.
Again, his own book revealed his strained relationship with many of the players brought in post 2001.
Twins clinched?
Trish – What does it matter wether the core four were there or not? What does that have to do with their long relationship with Torre? Nothing. Torre was treated like garbage after 12 years where he produced 4 championships, 6 pennants and ten division titles. And by the way, he managed quite well on the West Coast at 474-252 finishing first 2 out of 3 years.
25 guys in a clubhouse aren’t going to be treated equally. They know that. What they expect is to be treated fairly not equally.
“Wells had faults of his own, he shouldn’t talk so much about others.”
Not a question that Wells had faults of his own. He was asked about Torre and he didn’t sugarcoat his comments.
sp whether.
WCYF – Im changing my stance on Torre. I dont dislike him so much after yesterday’s memorial with the deserving and appropriate monument dedicated to GMS III. However, Torre played favorites. That’s why Mo/Jeter/Jorge consider him to be a father figure. Because Torre was a father figure – to them! He couldnt stand Alex – and he batted him 8th in a playoff game. That clearly signifies what type of person and manager Torre became. Oft times, success changes people
Cashmoney, the quotes are up a little. But he basically said he doesn’t like being [ in the doghouse ] and hopes to prove Girardi wrong.
Since when was being a a-hole and not sugar coating obnoxious falsehoods a badge of honor?
Torre’s book was probably most painful for Cashman than any player.
The players knew where they stood with Torre. Think A-Rod was surprised Torre didn’t care for him? I’m sure the feeling was mutual. Cashman seemed blindsided by the book because he thought they were close and thinks his portrayal of him (Cashman) was inaccurate.
Didn’t see anything that said Javy was pissed off. Give me a link please.
Torre never held himself up to be an iconic figure or perfect. He was known as being one of the classiest, most charitable figures in all of sports. I mean seriously, character witnesses mean a lot and there is no better or more credible one than Derek Jeter.
I don’t see how Javy hasn’t been treated fairly (not that you’re saying he hasn’t been, Pat)……………..I agree he’s in the doghouse and he should have pitched between now and his last start (Gaudin?), but he’s really earned his purgatory.
he managed quite well on the West Coast at 474-252 finishing first 2 out of 3 years.
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He managed fine but this record is a misprint. 3 seasons is only 486 games. He’s 30 games over .500 in 3 seasons.
Are the Yankees going to celebrate when they clinch a playoff spot?
Or are they going to wait and see if they can win the division before celebrating?
Last year, they waited for the division because they knew it was inevitable. Same in 2006. In 2007, they celebrated the playoff birth because they were trailing the division.
pat September 21st, 2010 at 11:36 pm
art_stapleton Vazquez on Girardi not using him when he’s trying to win these games: “Hopefully I’ll prove him wrong and he’ll start using me.” #Yankees
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You mean this, m? Sounds like a standard response to me , nothing egregious.
pat’s 11:36 post has the tweet. He didn’t say he was pissed, but he really should talk to Girardi, not the writers.
The core four were homegrown Yankees and he came in as the outsider. He knew who to court.
“Torre was treated like garbage after 12 years where he produced 4 championships, 6 pennants and ten division titles”
And there’s where we part ways again. He managed like garbage for the last 4 or 5 seasons and he should have been ridden out of town on a rail after the 2006 embarrassment but God bless George Steinbrenner he saved his bacon. Hysterical that all the talk about Girardi was that if he didn’t get the Yankees to the world series in his second year his tenure as manager was over yet this lump ended up being the king of one and out and he expected to be extended AND get top money.
And he ended the careers of many a pitcher with his horrendous bullpen management,
He had a dark side and players who crossed him paid for it.
He’s making it sound as if it’s unfair that Joe hasn’t used him……………..
Vazquez’s quotes were worse after the game he was pulled… that game he was visibly pissed and basically held back from saying something (said he doesn’t want to say more)
WCYF – I thought you were against Torre. Oopsie, my bad.
Here’s the thing about Torre. These baseball players and managers and coaches are a fraternity. They dont talk about what goes on behind closed doors – that’s a breach. Unless you’re Jose Canseco – a dirtpile looking to cash in.
I am not seriously comparing Torre to Canseco, but there is a similarity between the two. They both breached the baseball ethics and sold out whomever they felt like selling out
Saying that Joe Torre was handed a good team and that any manager could have won with them are sadly mistaken. Handling Steinbrenner, the players huge egos and the glare of the New York media spotlight is not a job many managers have handled or done as well as he did. I think those that played for Joe Torre the longest know him best and are most qualified to evaluate what kind of manager and man he was and is. I’ll take the core four’s word for it not Boomer Wells..
Jorge Posada:
“The way he treated me. Not only me getting a chance to play. Obviously I’m going to thank him forever, and the organization, but the way he treated me was really special. I will always remember that.”
Andy Pettitte:
“He’s like a father figure. He was not only my manager, he was just somebody that you could talk to. Not about baseball, just talk to him about life. At a very young age he was always there. You all know how much he supported me, through the good times and the bad times. When I struggled, he stood for me. They wanted to trade me, and he put his neck on the line for me. That obviously means an awful lot to me.”
Mariano Rivera:
“Joe was more than a friend. He was a mentor. I would say, a guy that always was there, giving me the best advice that he can give. Always supporting me. I remember 97, my first year as a closer. I was struggling a little bit in the beginning. He said, ‘Don’t worry about what you do. As long as I’m here, you will be my closer.’”
Derek Jeter:
“I learned a lot from the way he handles people, the way he deals with people. I’ve said it before about, people always say you treat everyone the same. You don’t treat everyone the same. You treat everyone fairly. I think he was pretty good at that.”
“I don?t see how Javy hasn?t been treated fairly (not that you?re saying he hasn?t been, Pat)?????..”
The treating people fairly comment was about Torre not Javy.
If Joe isn’t going to use Javy even tonight, then why should he be on the post-season roster? I expect him to be, but then if he is, Joe admittedly can’t be that reluctant to use him
I ask again – why has Moseley seemingly vanished into thin air?
“I mean seriously, character witnesses mean a lot and there is no better or more credible one than Derek Jeter.”
Who is the last person you heard Derek trash? Do you assume that Derek loves the whole world?
I rest my case.
Pat, sorry!
I’m not picking sides here, but those 4 never felt iced out by Torre.
Good quotes, but they were never on the other side of the fence.
Looking for the 11:36 luckily made me discover this gem.
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# RSM September 21st, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Gammons is reporting that the Red Sox have a guy twice as old as Freddy that can bang Beethoven’s 5th on a pan.
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That’s golden!
Gammons is reporting that if Javy Vazquez played with the Red Sox he’d have at least 20 or 30 wins by now.
Oh I see Trish – Torre was lucky those 12 years when he produced 4 championships, 6 pennants and ten division titles. But he managed like garbage for the last 4 or 5 seasons.
Oh and those last 4 to 5 seasons you talk about? He won 4 division titles and 1 pennant. That sucks huh?
“I’m not picking sides here, but those 4 never felt iced out by Torre.
Good quotes, but they were never on the other side of the fence.”
“Citing the Core 4 is meaingless considering they were basically the only ones he got along with.
Again, his own book revealed his strained relationship with many of the players brought in post 2001.”
Thank you mel and ET.
Trish you have no case. Your stance is not backed up by facts, performance or credible witnesses. You post gossip uttered by David Wells one of the lest respected goons in sports.
Cashmoney,
I take it that your remark to me was sarcastic. If not, I don’t get it.
“Oh I see Trish – Torre was lucky those 12 years when he produced 4 championships, 6 pennants and ten division titles. But he managed like garbage for the last 4 or 5 seasons. ”
You’re the one breathless about his 12 years not me pal.
“Oh and those last 4 to 5 seasons you talk about? He won 4 division titles and 1 pennant. That sucks huh?”
Totally f’d 2003, totally f’d 2004, one and out in 2005, should have been fired for 2006, totally f’d 2007 with his green tea sipping while midges just about ate Joba’s face off.
Good flippin’ riddance. And on top of being a piss-poor manager of the team and of people, the icing on the cake for me was his poor me press conference when he was too excellent to take a pay cut and then the nasty boy book he felt the need to write.
Class?
You can keep him.
“Trish you have no case. Your stance is not backed up by facts, performance or credible witnesses. You post gossip uttered by David Wells one of the lest respected goons in sports.”
Living on the west coast has insulated you nicely. I knew all this stuff long before Boomer spoke out. Around these parts it wasn’t a deep dark secret.
But no matter. You have the right to your opinion and to love the guy. I’m not twisted about you reverence for him. It doesn’t really impact my life. And it certainly doesn’t change my opinion of the nasty boy.
Night now.
Trish, I have posted numerous facts and backed up every contention I made about Torre and Wells with quotes from those who were there. You have done neither, as your last post demonstrates you just write mindlessgossip based on personal acrimony.
Here is a lesson for you. When you are the manager of a team in the media spotlight that is New York City with a volatile owner like George Steinbrenner and a team of egos and superstars – and you finish first ten out of twelve years in your division, win six pennants and four world championships and are idolized by four of the greatest Yankees to ever play this game – you have done an amazing job.
And you call Torre a piss-poor manager? Are you kidding me? And criticize him after his record for not taking a pay cut from that pompous little piece of crap Hal Steinbrenner?
Un bleepin’ real.
Good night.