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Yankees go with lineup regulars, plus Cervelli

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Lineup on Sep 22, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees are once again going with their lineup regulars, with Francisco Cervelli catching of course because A.J. Burnett is on the mound.

Brett Gardner LF
Derek Jeter SS
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Lance Berkman DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Francisco Cervelli C

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133 Responses to “Yankees go with lineup regulars, plus Cervelli”

  1. Erica in NY September 22nd, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    CountryClub September 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    BTW, I?m not complaining about the lineup. Just liked seeing the A lineup for the 1st time since 8/8.
    ********

    They won that day too!

  2. Pauldanand September 22nd, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Go Yanks!!!!

  3. Chambliss September 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Posada is the difference between a good lineup and a great lineup.

  4. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    “But where the Yanks can go young and cheap, they ought to try to do it.”

    And where would that be exactly, Wave?

  5. Eroc September 22nd, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Outfield, DH, bullpen.

  6. Jerkface September 22nd, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Kevin Towers at Arizona makes the Dbacks a viable trading partner again. They were rough to deal with in the past.

  7. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    “And where would that be exactly, Wave?”

    As if you didn’t know, stuckeyman.

  8. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    http://spreadsheets.google.com.....utput=html

    Yankees contract commitment through 2014 , if anyone is interested.

  9. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Two more starts for Posada to catch AJ.

    Still holding out hope stupidity will not prevail.

  10. MG September 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    MG,

    I actually visit a good amount of hospital delivery rooms scanning for possible future talent.

    Expect a major drought in 2031.

    Lot’s of weak looking babies at every turn.
    ———————————————————
    very good response, jeers :)

  11. PittsburghYankeeFan September 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Matsui is getting re-signed at $4 million x 1 year.

  12. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    LGY-

    I’m a big Posada guy, but Cervelli has been getting on base at a .419 clip since the beginning of August, and can bunt and hit and run.

  13. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    I think Cervelli may get a start in the playoff with AJ, LGY. AJ’s split with Cervelli and Posada catching are very prominent. Does correlation equal causation , i don’t know. It has to be considered at this point though.

  14. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    WYH -

    Gardner is Y&C, as are Hughes and whatever #5 they have in the rotation next season; most of the bullpen is Y&C; utility guys are Y&C; the bench is usually cheaper than usual, but not so young.

    I think the Yankees formula is pretty apparent. You pay for your front line talent and keep costs in line as you deeper into the roster.

  15. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Cervelli is catching AJ in the post-season.

    That’s not even a question at this point.

  16. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Wave,

    I am not really upset to see Cervelli in the lineup right now on a general level, because he has been playing pretty well offensively and it is beneficial for Jorge to get the rest.

    Just about the implications this has on the playoffs.

  17. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Posada in the lineup is, of course, the best scenario. As long as it’s not Cervelli and Pena or Cervelli and Nunez, Cervelli in the lineup is not a death sentence.

    He seems to have heated up a bit, too. Let’s see if he can carry that along.

  18. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    “As if you didn’t know, stuckeyman.”

    Of course I do, though I suppose I have a hard time understanding the purpose of advocating something that has ZERO chance of happening?

  19. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Cashmoney,

    The Catcher ERA numbers are brought up nearly every year by baseball fans and every year it is debunked.

    CERA is a terrible statistic.

  20. MG September 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Cervelli is catching AJ in the post-season.

    That’s not even a question at this point.
    ——————————-
    based on performance, AJ is the #4 starter in the post season so he would only make 1 start per series, I can live with it even if I don’t like it.

  21. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Doreen,

    That’s exactly what they are doing.

    Gardner, Hughes, the backup INF and OF, the RH DH, the entire bullpen, sans Mo and Wood, and the backup C are young and cheap.

    That’s 40% of the roster.

    I’d say that’s pretty good.

  22. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    “Matsui is getting re-signed at $4 million x 1 year.”

    ————————————

    And I thought I was clinging onto false hopes…

  23. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Plus, if this is what Girardi is going to do, why get into a knot about it? Just sit back and root like heck for Cervelli. :)

  24. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Doreen-

    Sorry. I should have said young, cheap and good. Hughes fits that category, as does Gardner. Montero will too, although I sure hope that is as a catcher rather than DH. If it’s as DH, not as good. While it isn’t a “necessity” one more young cheap and good regular position guy would be a tremendous plus.

  25. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    “Of course I do, though I suppose I have a hard time understanding the purpose of advocating something that has ZERO chance of happening?”

    Zero is a very low number.

  26. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Of course I do, though I suppose I have a hard time understanding the purpose of advocating something that has ZERO chance of happening?

    —————————————–

    It is not likely the Yankees trade for an OF but it is certainly greater than zero.

    At this time last year no one would have believed you if you said the Yankees would trade for Granderson. Even as rumors started to leak of Granderson’s availability many on here dismissed the possibility.

    If the right player is put on the market, I am sure the Yankees will be involved.

  27. SAS September 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Personally, I would be loathed to pay a then 33 yr. old pitcher for 6 years…may with options and good ones, but straight up??? I love the idea of Lee. It is his age that gets to me.

  28. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    WYH -

    Oh, you want Y, C and Good, too? :lol: Yeah, why not? :)

  29. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    AJ
    Opponents batting .336/.414/.599 = 1.012

    With the Frisco Kid?
    .272/.354/.381 = .735

    LGY, I don’t know that’s simple coincidences at this point , Nor can I claim it’s as simple as Cervelli catching him.

    What it is worth , I think Cerv may catch him in the playoff. It’s AJ, at this point, you have to admit simple psychology along plays a great deal in his performance.

  30. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Doreen-

    I thought when I explained it you’d see things my way! :)

  31. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    LGY, unless I’m completely offbase, Wave Your Hat is advocating going “young and cheap” at SS next season.

    Which I’d place comfortably in the 0% chance category.

  32. Yanksfanmc September 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Any chance Posada had something to do with AJ’s black eye?

  33. Shame Spencer September 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Wait.. our bullpen counts as being young, cost effective, and good, right?

  34. Niblick September 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    I wish Joe G. would have the balls to make AJ grow up and pitch to Jorge. He’s letting a mediocre pitcher run the ballclub, which is not a good idea. And I am frankly tired of watching Cervelli try to hit.

  35. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    This team does not need a $15 mil bench. The bench might not be big names but every one of the has been instrumental in winning at least two game a piece. They don’t have huge batting averages and not much power but, they’ve started rallies, kept them going and driven in runs. 199 RBI from the catching platoon, nearly 90 RBI from shortstop and the outfield platoon players have all done things to win games on defense or with the bats.

  36. Bronx Jeers September 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I see Nick Johnson still has a 250,000$ buyout. Ugh.

    That’s works out to be about 480,000$ per hit delivered for Pvt. Pyle

  37. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “LGY, unless I’m completely offbase, Wave Your Hat is advocating going “young and cheap” at SS next season. ”

    ——————————–

    We need Wave to clear this up :)

  38. I Like Inge September 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Cano is cost effective. He makes 9 mil and plays like a $20 million player.

  39. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I usually don’t do this (I don’t share in the view that the press is all anti-NY), but this little nugget of doublespeak from an ESPN chat today amused me.

    Anyone care to identify the 180 Crasnick did without so much of a 2nd thought?

    nate (nc)
    Gardner or Crawford? I’m serious.

    Jerry Crasnick  (12:18 PM)
    Nate, No you’re not. You can’t be.

    Seymour (NYC)
    What Nate meant was…Garnder (5 WAR) making $500k or Crawford (6.6 WAR) who’ll make $15-16 million….

    Jerry Crasnick  (12:25 PM)
    Seymour, Since when do the Yankees care about money?

    Steve (NY)
    How about Crawford for $15-20M vs. Gardner for the league min??

    Jerry Crasnick  (12:28 PM)
    Steve, Bret Gardner gives the Yankees speed, competitiveness, defense and great plate discipline, but we’re talking apples and oranges here. Carl Crawford is an elite outfielder. If you put Gardner on a weaker team, do you think he would have the same impact? (Just take a look at Melky Cabrera in Atlanta). And never mind that if Gardner hangs around another three or four years, he’s going to get pretty expensive, too.

    Andy (Washington, DC)
    How can writers like you not just destroy the Yankees for simply BUYING world series wins. That’s what happened in 2009. If they acquire both Lee and Crawford, then what is the point for the rest of the AL?

    Jerry Crasnick  (1:04 PM)
    Andy, Because “buying” players doesn’t always equate to huge performance. The Yankees spent $82.5M on A.J. Burnett. Think they might want to reconsider that expenditure? And last I checked, the Yankees hadn’t won a World Series in a while before they did it in 2009. I’m one of those baseball romantics who think that a smart front office can still accomplish a lot with less money.

  40. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    I’m one of those baseball romantics who think that a smart front office can still accomplish a lot with less money.
    ——————————-
    That sounds a lot more realist than a romantic.

    See Gammon for romanticism , Chowder way.

  41. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    No, No, No. What are you talking about stuckey-O?

  42. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    “That sounds a lot more realist than a romantic.”

    Perhaps, I just found it intriguing he identified himself as someone who believes a smart front office can accomplish a lot with less money, but outright dismissed and and all suggestions Gardner vs. Crawford would be a cost-efficient selection.

    Strikes me as being at odds with one another.

  43. Cashman needs to go September 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    In case anyone is interested – Feliz Hernandez is pitching tomorrow against the blue jays – the mariners next series starting on friday is against the tampa bay rays – making it a total of ZERO times they faced hernandez this year – as compared to 3 times the yankees faced him

    CR9 where are you!?!?!?

    The rays have faced cliff lee 3 times this year – same as the yankees (the yankees would have faced him 4 times if not for the trade to the rangers the night he was supposed to pitch)
    greinke once and beat him 1-0 (yankees 0 times)
    verlander twice (going 1-1 same as the yankees)

  44. DocTodd September 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    cervelli should catch AJ….AJ has been lights out this year when Cervelli catches him..YEAH RIGHT!!!!!

  45. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    If you put Gardner on a weaker team, do you think he would have the same impact?
    ———————–
    Yes. Gardner’s skillset of speed , plate discipline and plus D will impact on any teams , if not more so.

  46. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Wave, I thought you were referring to Jeter.

    No?

    Who were you referring to then? “Young and cheap where you can”?

  47. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Cashmoney,

    I believe the CERA has been discussed many times on this blog, so I would rather not get into it again. If you want to read more about it though the links below are helpful.

    http://www.baseballprospectus......icleid=432

  48. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Stuckey , I am with you. It’s a piece full of contradictions , sometimes we are better off just doing some critical thinking ourselves instead reading those drivels.

  49. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....stop-using

  50. m September 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Not sure if anyone linked this, but in light of the debt/YGE convo it’s a good primer. God Bless Corporate Accountants.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ebt-35669/

  51. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Not really LGY, I just think base on that alone, G may start him. I don’t think CERA has lot merit to it.

  52. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    For a team like the Yankees, all three OF positions and second base form what is “Young and Cheap.

    That’s half the everyday lineup.

    What more do people want?

  53. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    SJ-

    And if everything goes well next year catcher will be young, cheap, and great going forward.

  54. champ809 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Brett Gardner is not on the same level as Crawford offensively.

    He shares the speed/steal tool with Craw and is comparable defensively to Crawford, actually if you consider that Gardy can also play an above average- elite CF defensively he may have more defensive value than Craw who hates playing CF, but his bat is far from Craw’s….far less power.

    Offensively Gardy is more similar to Chone Figgins than Crawford.

    For example if Craw were to play his hoome games in NY his homer totals would probably increase to 20-25 a year similar to Damon’s spike in HR totals while playing in NY.

  55. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Stukey , I also notice ppl’s tendency to throw out WAR as an end all be all argument btw two players. But without taking into the team’s contextual specific variables , those arguments are very incomplete.

  56. Erica in NY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Bronx Jeers September 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    I see Nick Johnson still has a 250,000$ buyout. Ugh.

    That?s works out to be about 480,000$ per hit delivered for Pvt. Pyle
    ***************

    All of those people cheering for his high OBP forgot one very important thing…..

    A high OPB only makes a difference if you can manage to stay in the line up.

    This will rank very highly in my all time least favorite signings

  57. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    “Brett Gardner is not on the same level as Crawford offensively.”

    I doubt you’ll find anyone would disagree with this.

    The eternal question is the mortgage payment on that extra level worth $15m or more?

  58. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Crawford isn’t exactly playing in a pitcher’s park in Tampa and more than a few hits are carpet induced. Not saying that Crawford isn’t the better player, but is he $15 mil a year better?

  59. m September 22nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Nobody has any illusions that Gardner is on par with Crawford.

    But Gardner is a great value and in his first full season ranks in at least the top 15 in the AL in many offensive categories. The only two things he can’t really do is hit for power and bunt. :)

  60. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    stuckey99-

    I had been advocating getting one of the top young emerging outfielders. I thought you were pulling my chain with your first post.

    I see we were talking at cross-purposes.

  61. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    “This will rank very highly in my all time least favorite signings”

    Particularly considering it’s profound negative impact on the Yankees chances of making the…

    Oh wait.

    Nevermind.

  62. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Wave,

    Nah, haven’t been around for sometime. Didn’t know you’d be doing that?

    Who you advocating for? Rasmus? One of the Dodger guys I presume?

  63. tk September 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Perhaps, I just found it intriguing he identified himself as someone who believes a smart front office can accomplish a lot with less money, but outright dismissed and and all suggestions Gardner vs. Crawford would be a cost-efficient selection.

    Strikes me as being at odds with one another.
    ____________________________

    Perhaps it’s a matter of this preconceived notion that the Yankees can’t develop their own talent vs. realism. I can only imagine if Garnder were performing like this for the Red Sox. How many articles would we be subjected to where writers praised the Red Sox for developing such a dynamic young talent while writing about how the Yankees would be forced to simply “buy” Crawford. It would undoubtedly be held up as an example of the Red Sox genius management overcoming the financial might of the Yankees. If the future of the Yankee organization wasn’t so unbelievably bright, I would be irritated by his complete and utter lack of original thought.

  64. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    “For a team like the Yankees, all three OF positions and second base form what is “Young and Cheap.”

    In 2012, Cano will cost $14MM, Granderrson $10MM, and Swisher $10.25MM.

    That’s not cheap, even in the Yanks’ universe.

  65. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    As others have stated, the issue isn’t who is the better player.

    The issue is, given the current construction of the team, is he so much better than Gardner to be worth the investment?

    The answer is, probably not.

    I think anybody would want Carl Crawford on your team.

    Given the current construction of the team, and its lust for Cliff Lee (a more needed piece of the puzzle, IMO), it makes the Crawford acquisition less likely.

  66. disco stu September 22nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    The fact that King Felix is not starting against Tampa Bay this weekend is yet another reason why he should not be considered over CC Sabathia for the Cy Young. Last week the Mariners were playing the Red Sox and at that time, there was still outside chance that Boston could make some noise for a playoff spot. Did King Felix pitch against Boston? Nope. He stayed on his turn and missed that series … just like with Tampa Bay.

    That is the Mariners choice and they certainly dont have to move his starts around just so he can impact a pennant race … but it once again illustrates that the next big game Felix Hernandez pitches in, will be the first big game he pitches in.

    Meanwhile, CC pitches one big game after another and continues win almost every time he takes the ball … and does so while consistently pitching against much better competition than Felix Hernandez does … even if CC does get better run support.

  67. G. Love September 22nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    All of you guys so excited over Towers becoming GM of AZ because it means he’ll automatically trade his best players with us are about as annoying as the Red Sox fans who thought once Hoyer became the GM of the Padres it meant he had to trade Adrian Gonzales and Heath Bell to Theo because he once worked with him.

    Here’s a newsflash for you — after spending a year watching the Yankee system up close, Towers would know exactly who he wanted and Cashman would wonder if he were getting ripped off in a deal with him because of Towers intimate knowledge of the system.

    When Towers suggests a prospect not on Cash’s radar, Cash’s antenna goes up and he’ll be less likely to trade him.

    Towers getting the job in AZ doesn’t make it easier to make trades with them just like Hoyer getting the job in SD doesn’t mean he’ll only trade with Boston.

    All this Upton talk in here today is ridiculous.

  68. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    stuck99-

    Rasmus, Kemp, Braun, Upton, Choo. Aiming high.

    But I said I was willing to put Hughes in a deal to get one of them, and that annoyed a lot of folks. Which is where you walked into the scene…

  69. Erica in NY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    ?This will rank very highly in my all time least favorite signings?

    Particularly considering it?s profound negative impact on the Yankees chances of making the?

    Oh wait.

    Nevermind.
    ******************

    Don’t mock me. I am allowed my opinion. And I was against this signing because:
    1) Huge history of injury
    2) Closed the door on Johnny Damon for good
    3) After he got hurt there was no back up in the DH spot for months and we were treated to seeing very average rookies in the DH spot, which is a position of power

    Ultimately, did it hurt the postseason goals, no….
    But then again, if I use your logic you would say that Carl Pavano wasn’t a bad signing either. Since the Yankees still made the postseason every year………

  70. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    I would worry about 2012 in 2012.

    Who knows what the Yankees payroll will be in 2012.

    For 2010 and 2011, they certainly fall within the catagory of “young and cheap”.

    Nobody though, stays “young and cheap” forever.

    All three guys would still be making less than JD Drew made with the Red Sox for example and are more productive than Drew has been with the Red Sox.

  71. Bronx Jeers September 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Erica,

    I remember when they announced Nick’s signing.

    I felt a great disturbance in the (Yankee) Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I feared that something terrible had happened.

    /Obi-Wan’d/

  72. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    SJ44-

    I don’t care about what the Red Sox players make.

    And I do think about 2012 and beyond. I hope to be around then.

  73. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    If Gardner takes a serious winter time approach to learning the proper techiniques for both types of bunting, he’s going to seriously close the gap on Crawford’s numbers. If he decides that bunting is beneath him, he’s about reached his talent limits. As far as the rest of his other skills, I think that he can top out at around 8-10 homers a year while adding another 10 or so doubles and a handful more of triples. Let him hit the weights without becoming muscle bound.

  74. Erica in NY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Bronx Jeers September 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Erica,

    I remember when they announced Nick?s signing.

    I felt a great disturbance in the (Yankee) Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I feared that something terrible had happened.

    /Obi-Wan?d/
    ****************

    No, silly. That was just my reaction

  75. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    What Red Sox players make is for context wave.

    You shouldn’t worry about what Yankees play make either but, you are certainly entitled to do so.

    The most important commodity in baseball today is young, cost controlled, starting pitching.

    In particular, guys who are top of the rotation starting pitchers. Like a Phil Hughes.

    OF’s aren’t more in demand than those kind of guys. Which is why the Yankees wouldn’t trade Phil Hughes for any of those OF’s.

  76. champ809 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    I agree that given the current construction of the team then upgrading to Craw from Gardy is an expensive luxury and those dollars could be put to better use in other areas.

    However if it were a scenario of trading Granderson to create space for Crawford I’d be a proponent of that plan as I feel Crawford is a more complete player than Granderson in every way other than power and would fit this team better obviously moving Gardy to CF.

    Again an argument could be made that for the $’s there may be more value in keeping Granderson over signing Crawford at least for the next 2yrs.

    A lineup of Gardy,Craw,Tex,ARod,Cano would be more productive than Gardy,Grandy,Tex,Arod,Cano imo.

    But the Yanks could and maybe should very well focus on other areas of the team and leave the outfield alone for next season as well. If Long continues to work with Grandy to close the holes in his swing then there is no reason to not feel that he’ll be more of the hitter that he’s been over the last 40 games than the disaster he was earlier in the season next year.

  77. m September 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Gardner worked on bunting this past offseason. Don’t see why he would refuse to do so again.

  78. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    I am with you on this Erica. NJ was a mistake when one consider Damon and Matsui.
    Cashman said he was waiting for Damon hence Godz signed with the Angels I can accept that.
    Then there is the case of Damon overestimating his value and Cashman did not think he can’t wait any longer or damon’s demand will be lowered by market forces.

    That’s all unfortunate.

    The argument of NJ’s absence financially and result wise impacted little on the Yankees is not relevant in this case.

  79. Dill Pickler September 22nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    The Yankees have the ability to sign both Lee and a topflight outfielder (Crawford or Werth) this offseason, and I believe they will do that. I think/hope Cashman has seen what we all have seen re. the inconsistent offense.

    Let’s face it, the infield is going to be set for awhile (they are not going to cut ties with Jeter). There is an opening of sorts at DH. They need to upgrade the backup catcher spot because Posada is almost a halftime player now.

  80. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    GB7 -

    I am going to somehow find it, but in spring training, I read an article about how Brett Gardner spent hours upon hours practicing his bunting technique in the off-season last year.

    To apparently little avail.

    So, I’ll not hold my breath hoping that working on his bunting technique over the winter is going to improve his bunting technique. Unless he went about it all wrong and does it right this time.]]

  81. LGY September 22nd, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    If he decides that bunting is beneath him, he’s about reached his talent limits.

    ——————————————-

    Isn’t it fairly presumptuous to assert that if Gardner does not work on bunting, it will be because he thinks its beneath him?

  82. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    “Rasmus, Kemp, Braun, Upton, Choo. Aiming high.

    But I said I was willing to put Hughes in a deal to get one of them, and that annoyed a lot of folks. Which is where you walked into the scene…”

    I’m not annoyed, just perplexed. Not sure how trading a starting pitcher for an outfielder of comparable service time accomplishes the goal of going young and cheap?

    Isn’t that at best a lateral move payroll wise?

    And won’t ALL these players likely be very expensive in 3 or 4 years?

    Forgive me as I did come in late, but I think I’m missing an important point here?

  83. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 22nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Alright then, 8 runs we will NOT score tonight….because it will be 10 PLUS, BABY ! :-)

  84. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    GB7 -

    Here’s the article – from February.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....rdner.html

    And there’s a follow up article in the NY Times one month later about how he was working with Rob Thomson on his bunting skills, too.

    So. Color me skeptical.

  85. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    “3) After he got hurt there was no back up in the DH spot for months and we were treated to seeing very average rookies in the DH spot, which is a position of power”

    “Struggles” and all, the Yankees have still scored more runs than any other team in baseball by a significant margin.

    “But then again, if I use your logic you would say that Carl Pavano wasn’t a bad signing either. Since the Yankees still made the postseason every year………”

    The easy answer is they didn’t in 2008, which was Pavano’s final year.

    The better answer is my point was whether the “signing” live in infamy SHOULD be influenced by the final results of this season.

    Yankees didn’t make the play-offs in 2008, didn’t win a world series the 3 seasons before that. The 2005-2008 grades are in.

    The 2010 season gets an incomplete.

    I’m not suggesting it was a “good” move, I’m pointing out that it may wind up an irrelevant one.

  86. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Doreen, I’m not sure what happened with Gardner, but, he was a really good bunter in the minors until he reached AAA. Most of his attempts now seem to be half hearted. It’s not just adding the bunt hits and sacrifices, but, it draws the infield in even closer and the defense is moving all around. He’d be difficult to stop.

    As far as spring training, though and early in the season, he was bunting better and running the bases like Ricky henderson, and then he just turned it off and became very passive. The worst thing that could happen to him was hitting those 5 early home runs. It happened last year when he hit 3 in about 10 days. Looks like a new job for Mick Kelleher, who was a good bunter, or send him to Torre Tyson, who was the same type of player as kelleher and Tyson’s father was, though only in the minors.

  87. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    stuckey-

    The idea was that Yanks have tons of pitching, but their offense is getting older and could profit from replacing Granderson with a cheaper outfielder with a higher ceiling.

    Since the Yanks have a lot of pitching, swapping Hughes for such an outfielder would be optimal, improving the outfield in the short and long term more than our pitching would be hurt. And since we’d replace Hughes with another inexpensive pitcher, we would actually short- and long-term reduce payroll, which would naturally increase flexibility.

    I wouldn’t insist on trading Hughes, I just think that’s what it would take.

    But I don’t see the point in having the world’s greatest AAA rotation.

  88. ZMAN September 22nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    But you can buy a Cliff Lee or CC Sabathia.

    Chances are, you won’t be able to buy a Carlos Gonzalez or Sin Choo-Choo, at least until they are approaching 30 or later.

  89. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    stuckey-

    I forgot to add, I am assuming the Yanks sign Cliff Lee and that Andy comes back.

  90. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    “You shouldn’t worry about what Yankees play make either but, you are certainly entitled to do so.”

    It really bugs you when people disagree with you, doesn’t it?

  91. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    To be clear, I believe Gardner will work on bunting; I’m just not convinced it will help. From the article, I took it that Gardner doesn’t have confidence in this aspect of his game.

    He hasn’t had much success this season. So I doubt his confidence level has improved.

    Maybe if he knows he’s got a spot on the team next season and ALL he does all spring training long is bunt – every at bat – until he has enough success to cement it in his skillset, then maybe it’l be something to watch for.

  92. YankFanCA September 22nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Cervelli has received quite a bit of criticism on this blog — some of it fair — but having a back-up catcher who hits .260 is really pretty decent. Yes, he has no power, and his defense is mediocre, but he gets on base and can drive in runs. All in all, better than most back-up catchers.

  93. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    WYH, since we are talking about high end OF. What do you think Grady Sizemore as an option?

  94. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Where is this “ton” of pitching?

    Prospects are just that, prospects.

    They have a 24 year old 17 game winner who made the all star team this year.

    Picked by his peers so, it wasn’t a token selection.

    Those guys are gold in baseball today.

    The three OF’s they have now are younger and productive.

    They have spent all of this time developing Hughes.

    Next year, they won’t have to deal with innings limits.

    To take a step backward to acquire an OF they don’t even need is an inadequate way to deploy resources.

  95. hardwired7 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    this line re: Jeff Wilpon from mlbtraderumors is absolutely classic:

    “Sherman reports that chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon has a reputation in baseball circles as a tone deaf, credit-seeking, second-guessing micro-manager who isn’t accountable or self aware.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....m-job.html

  96. Nick in SF September 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Just when you think the Yankees are moving in the right direction and there might be some hope for our franchise… then somthing comes along and dashes all those hopes and dreams.

    Goodbye, Kevin Towers. :cry:

  97. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    It doesn’t bother me at all wave.

    Your fixation on a problem (the OF) that isn’t a problem is interesting though.

    It just seems like making moves for the sake of making moves and doesn’t seem to improve the team.

  98. REZ12 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    The team at this point moving forward (assuming Lee signs) needs young offense more than young pitching.

    RH power is tied into A-Rod, Jorge, Jeter — all declining bats over 35. Montero will be a huge boost in this area if he can hit like he is projected to.

    Tex really lacks in the consistency department and I think people need to see Gardner/Granderson do it for a full year next year. Do people trust Grandy is over his problems based off a good stretch (and remember, he started off hot after the adjustments, then went into another funk, and only started to pick it up the last week or so)?

    Gardner is fine, but looking for upgrades for him won’t hurt. Also, do we sell high on him?

  99. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Doreen, I would guess that Gardner was teaching himself how to bunt. I don’t know for sure, but somebody needs to teach him properly. Maybe Cashman can put in a call to Bobby Richardson, who lives just down the road in Sumpter, SC. Not sure if Tyson still lives in Charleston or not.

  100. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Gardner seems to “know” what bunting will do for him and how it will change the infield alignment and all that.

    I wonder what changed for him, if he was successful at it at one time? Did he think he had to be a different type of player? But one would think if he could do it well before, he shoudl be able to do it well again.

    As said, maybe if the Yankees keep him around, he’ll have more confidence. Although, you’d think after they kept him and traded Melky that he’d have felt comfortable. Or maybe he’s waiting to see about Carl Crawford?

    Well, enough armchair psychology. He’s just got to get with the right people. Perhaps working on it alone at the SC campus wasn’t enough.

  101. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    GB7 -

    I see we reached the same conclusion. He can’t teach himself to bunt! :)

  102. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Cashmoney-

    I don’t see Sizemore as my cheap young Yankee outfielder.

    He’s in the same price range as Granderson and Swisher, is only signed through 2012 and is coming back from an injury.

  103. Nick in SF September 22nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Hey, stuckey is back!

    Welcome back, stuckey. What happened, did you need new circuitry from Japan or something?

  104. YankFanCA September 22nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Has anyone seen the 30:30 ESPN piece on Steinbrenner? They focused a lot on Hal. He comes across as a pretty nice guy, but you could see the scars of being George’s kid.

    He went to military school (surprise, surprise) and said he was a Momma’s Boy who had to fight calling home each night. He praised his dad for his marketing acumen. Hal said that he himself is a numbers geek, who doesn’t excel at all at marketing.

    He was quite self-effacing. He also mentioned that his first love is flying and that the air is the one place he can get away from it all.

    I came away liking him and empathizing with him. He embraces his imperfection; that’s something that GMS would rationalize away.

  105. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    NYY will always look at upgrade possibilities, but, Gardner can more than fill the same roll that Crawford does at a lot less cost. He only needs to refine and polish the skills he has.

  106. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Gardner is fine, but looking for upgrades for him won’t hurt. Also, do we sell high on him?
    ——————————–
    You can try to sell high on him. But he is cheap and his skills play a great deal consider how this team is constructed.

    I don’t see Gardner as a center piece in any premium talents. Consider all that, his value is most likely maximized on this team.

  107. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Wave,

    You plan includes trading Granderson without taking back similar salary I assume?

    I think I understand your thesis. Can’t say I totally agree. As a fan who watches/follows every game, of course you’re going to be frustrated with any aspect of the team at times, but I can’t get past the fact the raw numbers tells us the Yankees offense is the most productive in baseball.

    And the only significant “age” that’s really there is Posada (and one hopes one of the gamer’s next young impact bat is waiting in the wings), Jeter, and Rodriquez, and let’s be realistic, if we had a young corner outfielder in their pre-prime putting up the numbers A-Rod did this year, we’d be doing cartwheels.

    Teams have up and down years, relatively speaking, they aren’t going to score as many runs as last year, but they’re going to score enough.

    Not sure I see any trend worth being concerned over, beside perhaps Jeter.

  108. Wave Your Hat September 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    SJ44-

    It clearly bothers you. Come on, admit it. Do you good.

    I am not proposing a move for the sake of making a move. I have said quite clearly why I think it would be worth considering. Maybe I’m not right, but you can’t deny my reasons are forceful.

    Not everyone finds it boring. Plenty of people have responded.

  109. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    GB7 -

    I see we reached the same conclusion. He can’t teach himself to bunt!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s sort of the left field version of AJ Burnett. He knows what to do but either doesn’t know how to get there or is afraid to try.

  110. YankFanCA September 22nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Where is Ruby Tuesday? It’s almost time for the nightly Dan Johnson plug.

  111. m September 22nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Doreen,

    Gardner is by no means close to a finished product. He’s had to put a lot of info in that head of his. It might just be a filing problem, given the size of the filing cabinet. ;)

  112. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    It doesn’t bother me. But, if for some reason you need to believe it does, fine by me.

  113. tyanksfan36 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    YanksFanCA

    I watched the special last night. I thought it was done rather well. I too came away liking Hal. He is definitely not his father. I empathized with him when he said he is an introvert talking about how his sister does so well in a crowd where he would rather stand on the outside and observe. It made me sad that I never got to go to old Yankee Stadium. I went to NY back in 2000 but I was about 12 so I didn’t have much say in where we went. We actually wanted to go but our flight was delayed which set us back and since we were only spending 2 days in NY and then moving on, it just didn’t work out which was a bummer.

  114. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    “Welcome back, stuckey. What happened, did you need new circuitry from Japan or something?”

    International Snark Convention in Vegas. Always gotta stay brush up on your skills and stay out in front of new developments in the field…

    Honestly, I voluntarily remove myself from the premises when I think it’s likely the panic-level is higher than normal.

    If I stayed, I’m more than willing to admit my presence would become unpleasant and disruptive.

    Not a fan of the panic…

  115. EA September 22nd, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Wave,

    If the bats go cold in the playoffs (and really, that is a 50/50 proposition with this offense) and they lose, more people will come along to your line of thinking.

    Things are going well now so things should stay status-quo. If they are getting 3-hit by the Tommy Hunters and Nick Blackburns of the world in elimination games, watch how quickly people demand changes to the offense this winter.

  116. Bad Scooter September 22nd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    If Gardner could learn to bunt that would be huge. With his speed he should be getting at least 1 bunt hit a week or maybe 20 a year. His average on OBP would go up as would his SB’s and runs. He just has to work harder at it. He is really a bad bunter, he can’t even sacrifice when called upon to. I always thought he could be a Brett Butler type player and he can be if he could just learn how to be a decent bunter.

  117. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    WHY , Grady Sizemore is making 6 mil this year and possibly making the same consider his injury plague season. All signs indicates he will make a full recovery by spring training. I don’t He is cheap enough by Yankee standards and is a greater talent than Granderson and swisher by a good margin.

    The question to me is how much does Cleveland want for him ? Will they consider dumping him for money reason alone? If so, I would go after him in a heart beat.

    I am taking the ‘cheap’ part out of this equation.

  118. stuckey99 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    “Gardner is fine, but looking for upgrades for him won’t hurt. Also, do we sell high on him?”

    “High” being nothing by speculation at this point.

    He could also find “high” on another team, at which point you’d have sold low.

  119. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    It’s obvious that Cervelli is going to catch AJ in the post-season; it’s just incomprehensible to me how Joe’s mind works.

  120. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    OT, Stuckey , how is Vegas this year ? I am heading out there in Nov.

  121. YankFanCA September 22nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Wow, tyanks, you are young! Yes, I really enjoyed the special too. Hal was definitely not comfortable talking about himself.

    I obviously don’t know the family, but I can see the youngest son getting shipped away to military school, which he didn’t seem to enjoy, but it kept him out of his father’s hair.

    I hope Hal succeeds, and not just as Yankees owner. Maybe one day he’ll get past his social awkwardness as well.

  122. BIG AL September 22nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I believe the Yankees will sign an OF this winter, and it will be Werth, not Crawford. I think they’d rather have the RH power of Werth, at a lower cost than Crawford. Werth can play all 3 OF positions, Crawford is strickly a LF guy. JMO, but I think that’s how they’ll go.

  123. Nick in SF September 22nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Panic would be the proper reponse, we still have to play the Red Sox! :shock:

    Gotta go, enjoy.

  124. UnKnown September 22nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Well Molina did catch Burnett last year right. So it did work out. I do want Posada to catch him but just saying it is possible to grab a victory there. Ultimately it doesn’t matter who we have in the lineup offensively if AJ can’t get out of of the 2nd inning and gives up a 6 spot where Dead.

  125. Nick in SF September 22nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Woah, hey Big Al, you think we’re signing Werth?

    I would love to take the counter-wager on that, maybe in the neighborhood of… $25?

    Or more, or less, you name the stakes. I say no to Werth in pinstripes.

  126. austinmac September 22nd, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    I certainly don’t foresee the Yankees trading Hughes. He has shown ability, willingness to grow(note increased change up usage), and, I believe, competitiveness. He is the kind of young pitcher who, barring injury, will be a very good pitcher for a number of years.

    I have never been overly hopeful about Gardner, but he sees a lot of pitches, runs and defends well. His bat is questionable for a left fielder. I don’t think Granderson is going anywhere barring an abysmal pxt-season. He is now showing his expected power. I keep him.

  127. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    I believe that Hughes may have turned the corner last night by throwing 10 change-ups and 6 for strikes. He didn’t get burned on any of them. That has to be a big boost in his confidence. Just showing it once in a while would have been big, but throwing it for strikes will be enormous.

  128. BIG AL September 22nd, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Nick -

    First, tell me if you believe they’ll sign an OF, if so who?

  129. jackamir September 22nd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Crawford could hit 25-30 Homers in a Yankee uniform. I don’t think a polished or refined Gardner could ever reach those lofty goals.

  130. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Gardner doesn’t need to “reach those lofty goals”.

  131. BIG AL September 22nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    If Garner can hit .280 – .285, with the same OBP, he has now, and increase his steals to 55 +, the Yankees will be more than pleased.

  132. SAS September 22nd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    :arrow: Y

  133. West Coast Yankee Fan September 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    I don’t know if this got mentioned earlier – Gardenhire announced Liriano as his game one starter in the post-season.

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