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Yankees postgame

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So the Yankees now lead the Rays by 2 1/2 games, matching their largest advantage since July 27 in this AL East race. The Yankees have 11 games left, and Tampa Bay has 12. With the Red Sox losing, the Yankees’ magic number to at least clinch a postseason berth is three and the Rays’ magic number is six.

Phil Hughes allowed three runs, four hits and five walks in 6 1/3 to pick up his 17th win. He’s just the second Yankees pitcher to win at least 17 games at the age of 24 or younger. Andy Pettitte was the first with 21 wins in 1996.

But Hughes is now at 169 1/3 innings. His innings limit hasn’t been revealed publicly, but it has been steadily rumored to be in the 170-175 range. Joe Girardi was noncommittal about his final two starts.

“That’s something we’ll continue to talk about as we move forward here,” the manager said. “Tonight was a big win for us and a big win for him. … Seventeen (wins). A guy who came in to be our fifth starter has thrown the ball awful well for us.”

Hughes lost to the Rays 4-3 last Wednesday in Tampa Bay. So this was his second start since being skipped.

“Everybody wanted to say how it was going to hurt me,” Hughes said. “I just took the approach of using it and taking it as a positive. I felt like I got a lot of things on track. I still wasn’t great tonight, but it was certainly a step in the right direction.”

Hughes lost last time thanks to a pair of  two-run homers to Dan Johnson. This time, he retired him all three times he faced him, including on a bouncer to first with two on in the third.  He used a changeup to get him there. He went with that pitch a lot.

“I probably threw more than I have all year,” Hughes said. “It was effective for me and hopefully something I can build on.” …

 Derek Jeter seems to be perking up at the right time, now 11 for his last 30 after going 2 for 5 with an RBI double. He made some adjustments recently with hitting coach Kevin Long.

“Don’t count Derek Jeter out in the month of September or the postseason if we’re fortunate enough to get there,” Girardi said.  …

Javier Vazquez pitched for the first time since Sept. 10, his final start before being dropped from the rotation. While he said he understood Girardi going with other guys in relief, he didn’t sound thrilled with the 10 days without an appearance.

“As a competitor, it’s disappointing,” Vazquez said. “I can’t hide that fact. I’m happy they used me today. … Hopefully I’ll prove him wrong and he’ll start using me.”

Vazquez is just hoping to be included on the postseason roster. He gave up an RBI bloop single to Carl Crawford after he relieved Hughes with one out in the seventh and a man on second. Then he pitched out of the inning. He gave up singles to his first two batters in the eighth, then got Carlos Pena on a fly to center before exiting in favor of Joba Chamberlain.

With Mariano Rivera working the previous two days, it was Chamberlain picking up his third save. He gave up an infield hit to load the bases, then nailed down the final two outs in that eighth before throwing a 1-2-3 ninth.

Vazquez, by the way, didn’t fan anyone in getting three outs, the first time he failed to strike out a batter since May 10, 2000, when he was in a Montreal Expos uniform and pitching against the Phillies. It snapped a streak of 349 appearances with at least one strikeout, so he’s tied for the third-longest streak with Doc Gooden. Nolan Ryan has the record at 382 and Randy Johnson is second at 351.

Wednesday night, it will be A.J. Burnett starting for the Yankees and Wade Davis for the Rays. That’s it for tonight.

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152 Responses to “Yankees postgame”

  1. stuart a September 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 am

    vazquez on the postgam eroster over gaudin

  2. Tank September 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am

    “vazquez on the postgam eroster over gaudin”

    No

  3. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 am

    I don’t love Javy’s comments, but it is sort of dumb that Joe hasn’t used him at all in 10 days; hard to expect him to be sharp after that layoff. If Joe is that reluctant to use him, then why even put him on the post-season roster? He’s clearly done with Javy.

    Moseley has disappeared for some reason into the void – he could be a long man in the post-season.

    Phil has the right attitude about the innings limits and the use of the change was encouraging. The more he uses it, the better it will be………same with the curve.

    Jeter coming along is like making a trade. I’ve said all along that I think he will have some big moments this year………….and I stand by that. Don’t ever underestimate this man.

  4. RSM September 22nd, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Bring Nova – leave Vazquez and Gaudin home.

  5. m September 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Well, that Javy tweet was incomplete. Totally taken out of context. Javy being the good soldier. Wait did say he was happy they used him with a smirk? ;)

    Good for Hughes battling tonight. We always praise CC for battling, we should afford Hughes the same compliment. GJ.

  6. Eroc September 22nd, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Does Vazquez realize that prior to tonight, 11 of our last 13 games have been close (9 of them 1-run)?

    He’s not the only one who hasn’t pitched lately – neither have Albaldejo, Sanchez, Ring, Mitre, Mosely. That’s what happens in September. Last year guys like Dunn, Melancon, Mitre, Towers, etc. didn’t even pitch the final 2 weeks.

  7. Carl September 22nd, 2010 at 12:47 am

    What the hell did Javy say?

  8. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Vazquez’a tenure in NY is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

    I do trust him more than Gaudin and Mitre but that’s not saying much.

    I trust Nova more than any of them.

  9. Yank1 September 22nd, 2010 at 12:48 am

    “I don’t love Javy’s comments, but it is sort of dumb that Joe hasn’t used him at all in 10 days; hard to expect him to be sharp after that layoff. If Joe is that reluctant to use him, then why even put him on the post-season roster? He’s clearly done with Javy.”

    Well he started on the 10th, so the earliest he could be available was the 15th (the day Hughes pitched in Tampa). So really, he went 5 games without pitching considering he likely wasn’t going to be available before that.

  10. CR9 September 22nd, 2010 at 12:48 am

    WCYF – The only facts that Trisha needs to cite are the facts that Torre batted ARod 8th in a playoff series and never bothered to get our players off the field with the midges in Cleveland.

  11. Carl September 22nd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ty_ya.html

    You guys are really jumping on Javy for this?

    Just go to sleep please.

  12. m September 22nd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    The abridged tweet is in the last thread. pats 11:36 post.

    The full quote is in Brians post.

  13. ET September 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 am

    CR9,

    How much do you blame him for 2004?

    Want to hear this :D

  14. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Vazquez is more talented than Albaladejo, Moseley, Ring, and Mitre.

    I don’t have any issues with Vazquez being unhappy about not getting into games. I’d have a problem with him if he didn’t have any issues with the lack of work.

  15. ET September 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Rich,

    With the way Girardi is using these guys, it looks like Gaudin and Nova.

    He doesn’t even use his boy-toy Mitre anymore lol

  16. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Vazquez didn’t say anything wrong.

  17. m September 22nd, 2010 at 12:52 am

    It’s not even 7 o’clock here!

  18. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Yank, true, but – if he was only going to be used out of the pen, could he have pitched before then?

    I don’t necessarily think Nova will be any great shakes in the post-season, but we’re comparing him to Javy, Gaudin and Mitre – and since he has far better stuff, he has to be on the post-season roster. He’d be a long man, so concerns about him pitching out of the pen are unfounded (he’d practically be like a starter). I would still prefer to see Moseley – don’t know what he’s done wrong to not have pitched.

    Javy just completely fell apart physically. He did ask and get permission to start his off-season work early, but did that have anything to do with his physical deterioration? As far back as ST he was showing diminished stuff. The bad thing is that he’s been SO bad, we can’t offer him arb…..he’d accept. So much for the two picks.

  19. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 12:52 am

    ET

    I think Cash told Francesa that the entire organization decides on the playoff roster, but that he has the final say, so there could be some marginal surprises.

  20. REZ12 September 22nd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Torre didn’t trust him
    Guillen didn’t trust him
    Girardi doesn’t trust him.

  21. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    I don’t think so, Carl – it’s not our fault some guy posted an incomplete tweet. That was misleading and wrong to do.

  22. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Again, the full quote is a lot better than the tweet that listed only the partial quote.

  23. pat September 22nd, 2010 at 12:56 am

    “I?d have a problem with him if he didn?t have any issues with the lack of work.”

    Absolutely. No different than regulars hating getting a day off. They want to play.

  24. CR9 September 22nd, 2010 at 12:56 am

    ET

    How much do I blame who for 2004?

  25. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 am

    I have no problem with him wanting to pitch………..but again, if Joe isn’t using him now, I don’t see how he can put Javy on the roster.

  26. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Betsy I don’t get why you are even upset about Pat’s tweet. It was incomplete, yet a very standard response in lieu of it.

  27. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Night!

  28. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Cash, I’m not upset about Pat’s tweet – I don’t blame her; the partial quote from Javy just didn’t sound great coming off of his bitter sniping a start or two ago.

  29. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2010 at 12:58 am

    # REZ12 September 22nd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Torre didn’t trust him
    Guillen didn’t trust him
    Girardi doesn’t trust him.

    ———–

    It’s funny how the guy nobody trusts has been a pretty solid pitcher in this league for the last decade plus.

  30. Yanks78 September 22nd, 2010 at 12:59 am

    The only time Nova/Mosely/Vazquez/Mitre/Gaudin will be in a playoff game is if a starter is getting rocked early or if the game is a blowout late.

    In that case, Nova has the best chance, with his stuff, of pitching 2-3 quality innings to keep us in the game.

    Vazquez against a lefty-power lineup like MIN or power lineup like TEX is a disaster waiting to happen. Same with Mitre/Gaudin.

  31. ET September 22nd, 2010 at 1:00 am

    CR9,

    Torre

  32. m September 22nd, 2010 at 1:00 am

    It’s been a season of quotes by Javy. It’s not the season he or the Yankees envisioned. I’m sure he’s frustrated, but the Yankees are probably frustrated, too.

  33. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 am

    “It’s funny how the guy nobody trusts has been a pretty solid pitcher in this league for the last decade plus.”

    The other odd thing about his career is that his bad years/decline may be the result of his innings load. IOW, he has been an absolute horse at times, willing to shoulder the load for his team, maybe to his detriment.

  34. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:02 am

    It’s funny how the guy nobody trusts has been a pretty solid pitcher in this league for the last decade plus.
    ———————–
    Let’s see, he bombed against red sox all reason in 2004 , never mind the playoff

    in 08, he imploded down the stretch and blew up in his only playoff start.

    And the we have this year , with diminishing stuff and getting hammered by all most all the good hitting teams.

    I guess they all have a legitimate case. And really, his peripherals are never that terrible.

  35. m September 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Did you guys decide what to do with Nova in the postseason? I would have a short leash with all the starters and have him be the first long man out of the pen.

  36. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:04 am

    “The only time Nova/Mosely/Vazquez/Mitre/Gaudin will be in a playoff game is if a starter is getting rocked early or if the game is a blowout late.”

    Which is almost a certainty with AJ if last season’s playoffs are any guide: great or awful. Girardi needs to have a very, very short leash with him.

  37. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:05 am

    “I would have a short leash with all the starters and have him be the first long man out of the pen.”

    Not CC.

  38. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Rich, his FIPs are consistently better than his ERA , year and year out. It’s a guy you always expect to do better result wise base on his stuff . It’s a looooong trend.

  39. CR9 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:06 am

    ET

    I dont really blame Torre.

    I blame bad luck, I blame umpires, I blame loser Yankees fans during Games 6 and 7 quitting at the Stadium. I blame God for allowing such a travesty to be committed – after Varitek’s assault and battery on Alex earlier in the year. I blame the 2 steroid freaks Ortiz and Manny and the rest of their steroid enhanced team. Mainly Gabe Kapler and Trot Nixon – I despised those 2 cheats. And of course, Bill Mueller. The guy was out of baseball the moment he put on a Dodgers uni – I dont wonder why. I blame that loser – and future Yankee – Mark Bellhorn for his steroid enhanced 3 run oppo shot in Game 6. Most of all, I blame the doctors that manufactured a quick fix for Schilling to be able to pitch game 6. If we ever needed one of our guys to get a quick fix, we AINT gettin’ it in a million years. But that dirtpile Schilling UGH UGH UGH!

  40. m September 22nd, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Okay. Everyone but CC, then.

  41. ET September 22nd, 2010 at 1:06 am

    m,

    Absolutely. They didn’t expect him to start throwing 88 when he came here. This version of Vazquez is a detriment in our ballpark and the AL East. His numbers against .500+ teams are scary.

    And yes, Nova would be ideal in that role. He is usually fine in his first 3-4 innings, then the wheels come off. In the playoffs, he isin’t going to be asked to throw more than that. His stuff is far superior to the other long men candidates.

  42. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Not Pettitte either, if he’s healthy. They don’t call him Battle Cat for nothing.

  43. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Cashmoney,

    You can nitpick all you want. Never mind he had an outstanding season last year. And I don’t care if he did it in the NL. He still had a great year pitching to big league hitters.

    It’s very easy to pile on the guy when he’s had a down season.

    The guy has had a pretty good career. The vast majority of big league pitchers would kill to have a career like that.

  44. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 am

    I don’t want Javy remotely close to a playoff roster spot in lieu of MN or TX as our opponent.
    I go with Moseley and Gaudin over him without even a question.

  45. Red Lobster September 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Isin’t Nova too similar to Burnett, pitching-wise, to be effective in relief of him?

    Wouldn’t the soft stuff of Mosely or Vazquez be better?

  46. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Cashmoney

    I know, he’s tough to figure out. I really wanted the Yankees to trade for him in 2004 even though I had a man crush for Nick. I didn’t want him back this time though.

  47. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Cashmoney,

    You can nitpick all you want.
    ———————–
    GF, I am not nitpicking, I am giving you a reason why they don’t trust him.

    I am not disputing the fact he has had pretty good career.

  48. Yank1 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Giving up Vizcaino was also not ideal.

  49. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Rich , we are on the same wavelength here. I would pick Godz a known playoff proven quantity over NJ an oft injury 1b. Cashman was waiting on Damon, hence it happened

    Javy, in lieu of his 2008 finish with the chisox i would have stay away

    It just turned out that I was right on both accts.

  50. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 am

    2004 and 2008 has absolutely jack to do with this season.

    Do you really think Girardi is thinking to himself, “Well, Javy didn’t pitch well against the Red Sox in 2004 and didn’t do so well in 2008 in the postseason so I’m not going to trust him now”???

    Past performances has nothing to do with it. It’s how he’s performed this season and he hasn’t been good.

    He’s a guy who could be useful to them in the postseason. Nobody expected Marte to do much last year and he became one of their biggest heroes.

  51. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:20 am

    “Isin’t Nova too similar to Burnett, pitching-wise, to be effective in relief of him?”

    Nova has a pretty good changeup. AJ only talks about throwing his changeup.

  52. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Bobby Cox must be a complete idiot to trust Vazquez.

    when someone starts using Ossie Guillen as part of the basis for an arguement, you’ve lost.

  53. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:21 am

    GF , 2004 and 08, has to do why Ozzie and Torre don’t trust Javy, did I not making that clear?
    my statement was in response to why those three lost trust in him, the reason have been given above?

    What part of that do you have a problem in comprehending?

  54. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:21 am

    “Do you really think Girardi is thinking to himself, “Well, Javy didn’t pitch well against the Red Sox in 2004 and didn’t do so well in 2008 in the postseason so I’m not going to trust him now”???”

    No. If Girardi doesn’t use him it will be because of his diminished stuff. But as I said, I trust him more than Gaudin or Mitre… a lot more actually.

  55. m September 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 am

    If things work out the way they’re supposed to (Logan helping us to a title), then getting Logan alone would’ve been worth losing that prospect.

  56. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:24 am

    when someone starts using Ossie Guillen as part of the basis for an arguement, you’ve lost.
    —————————
    GB , again, no one is using Guillen as an argument. Gullien distrusts javy is a fact and is largely due to javy’s performances in 2008.

    Do you not see the differences in that and your argument?

  57. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2010 at 1:25 am

    # GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Bobby Cox must be a complete idiot to trust Vazquez.

    when someone starts using Ossie Guillen as part of the basis for an arguement, you’ve lost.

    ————-

    I think GB said it best. Do you comprehend that?

  58. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Bobby Cox must be a complete idiot to trust Vazquez.
    ————————
    once again, you use a complete irrelevant example to support what I said above.

  59. CR9 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    I see nothing wrong with Ozzie Guillen. He is one of the few managers that prepared his team to effort against the Red Sox in the playoffs – in 2005.

    Lord knows Mike Scioscia didnt. Conversely, it is most likely that Scioscia intentionally prepared his teams to fail against the Red Sox in the playoffs.

  60. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    I think GB said it best. Do you comprehend that?
    —————–
    Yes GF, we apparently have a problem with logic here.

  61. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    Don’t give a rats ass what Guillen thought of Javy Vazquez.

    He didn’t have any good things to say about Swisher either. How has that worked out?

    That trade bringing Swisher to the Bronx for spare parts was highway robbery.

  62. m September 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    It’s not a matter of being similar. It’s a matter if taking out someone (could be anyone) who is ineffective and replacing them with someone who can be effective AND save the bullpen. Nova has shown he can pitch efficiently and effectively.

  63. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 1:30 am

    “If things work out the way they’re supposed to (Logan helping us to a title), then getting Logan alone would’ve been worth losing that prospect.”

    I think reasonable people can’t differ on this.

  64. Yank1 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:30 am

    “Lord knows Mike Scioscia didnt. Conversely, it is most likely that Scioscia intentionally prepared his teams to fail against the Red Sox in the playoffs.”

    And then campaigned to change the schedule so we couldn’t use 3 starters!

  65. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:31 am

    Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 am
    Don’t give a rats ass what Guillen thought of Javy Vazquez.

    He didn’t have any good things to say about Swisher either. How has that worked out?

    That trade bringing Swisher to the Bronx for spare parts was highway robbery.
    —————————
    Again, you completely miss the point. No one cares what Ozzie said or think. The question was pose by a poster why Ozzie distrusts Javy, the reason was given above.

    Javy imploded down the stretch in a pennant race , what Ozzie thinks of him is irrelevant in this conversation

    Do we get that?

  66. CR9 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Yank1 – Exactly. Scioscia loses to us one year after dispatching us in 2002 and 2005, and it’s the end of the world as he knows it. Karma has a habit of coming around, and it came around to Scioscia this season. LOL @ Morales!!!! :)

  67. m September 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 am

    I agree with those who said that Javy’s past and the opinions of others have little to do with his current situation.

  68. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:38 am

    Vazquez was much needed by the Yankees in both 2004 and this year. The system had no starters in 2004 and Vazquez was one of the top pitchers in the first half of that year. Had they had options, they would have shut him down for a few weeks to get him healthy. They didn’t have those options.

    This past winter, he was the best pitcher on the market and hardly cost the Yankees anything in talent. Nobody knows what went on or why he lost the velocity but it did. You can’t blame him for that any more than you can blame him for pitching hurt over the last half of 2004.

    The White Sox were not exactly a top defensive team in his years there. As far as homers, every team knew he gave them up but many were solo homers. He hardly walks anyone. Like Randy Johnson before him, he pitched to his physical capabilities, hurt or not. He never begged off from a start. I’m sure that he’s not satisfied with his numbers in NY, either.

  69. Yank1 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Vazquez can only go so far with an 88 MPH fastball and flyball tendencies in the AL. He has registered a mere 1 quality start against a over .500 team this season.

    His stuff isin’t good enough anymore. The lineups in the playoffs are not going to be forgiving.

    The version of Vazquez that Guillen and Torre didn’t trust was a much better physical version of Vazquez. So if you subscribe to the theory that he mentally can’t handle pressure, then it is compounded when he no longer has good stuff either.

  70. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:42 am

    All valid points GB. No one is arguing in any of that. Reasons was given as to why Torre, Guillen and Joe G do not trust in Javy in three separate examples. That’s all.

  71. REZ12 September 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Again, you completely miss the point. No one cares what Ozzie said or think. The question was pose by a poster why Ozzie distrusts Javy, the reason was given above.

    Javy imploded down the stretch in a pennant race , what Ozzie thinks of him is irrelevant in this conversation

    Do we get that?

    ———————–

    The 3 years that his team was in a pennant race – 2004, 2008, 2010 – he faltered badly down the stretch.

    Though to be fair, this Vazquez just doesn’t have good stuff anymore and he pitches in the league’s toughest division in a ballpark ill-suited for his high career HR tendencies.

  72. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Rich , judging by the way Joe has use Gaudin , he clearly trust him over javy at this point of the seaon.

  73. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Cashmoney

    That’s one reason why my evaluation of Girardi has changed.

  74. m September 22nd, 2010 at 2:10 am

    So…you like Girardi now?

    :?:

  75. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 2:11 am

    Fair point , you can argue that Javy even with his diminishing stuff is still a better pitcher than Gaudin. The only thing I can think of in that evaluation is that Joe think Gaudin is a better ground ball pitcher. Javy has the propensity to give up gopher balls more than he does.

  76. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 2:12 am

    m

    Yes m, but considerably less than I once did!!!

  77. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 2:13 am

    m , are you on the other side of pond, I say that because you said it’s only ’7′ there.

  78. m September 22nd, 2010 at 2:16 am

    At least you like him. Even if it’s just a little.

  79. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 2:19 am

    Cashmoney

    They’re pretty close. Neither are GB pitchers.

    2010

    Fangraphs doesn’t have Gaudin’s Yankee only stats so:

    GB%: 39.6 %
    HR/FB: 14.5%
    HR/9: 1.75

    Vazquez:

    GB%: 35.4%
    HR/FB: 13.5%
    HR/9: 1.76

  80. m September 22nd, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Smack dab in the middle. :)

    Although it was 7:00 in Paris, too. Sigh…

  81. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 2:21 am

    I like everyone, m, just to differing degrees.

  82. m September 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Can’t imagine how you talk about those you hate!

  83. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 am

    I’m too old to hate. I no longer have the energy.

  84. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 2:25 am

    Very close , I can see why you prefer him over Gaudin given the pedigree. You made me laugh when you said you had man crush on NJ though , care to elaborate?

  85. Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 2:31 am

    It’s the OBP Jesus thing, Cash.

    At one time Nick, along with Carlos Pena, was one of the top-rated 1B prospects in MiLB. He had the type of skills that projected to make him a perennial contender for a batting title, along with sick plate discipline and good defense. The only question was staying healthy. When he was healthy and batting in the 2 hole in 2002, the Yankees’ offensive really clicked. Unfortunately, he couldn’t stay healthy.

  86. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 2:37 am

    Yeah, I ‘remember’ him hitting 355 and posting a godly 500 OBP in AA , if i recall correctly. Only if he had stayed healthy.

    My guy was Bernie, I always thought he was the most integral part of the offense in those budding days of success. I never knew how to quantify that til i got older. It turned out offensively , Bernie did just about everything pretty well.

    Anywho, time to order room service, good night Rich and m.

  87. SteveB September 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 am

    Brian Heyman–

    “Phil Hughes allowed three runs, four hits and five walks in 6 1/3 to pick up his 17th win. He’s just the second Yankees pitcher to win at least 17 games at the age of 24 or younger. Andy Pettitte was the first with 21 wins in 1996.”

    1965- Mel Stottlemyre, 20-9, age 23. Possibly the most overlooked pitcher in Yankees history.

  88. PacoDooley September 22nd, 2010 at 6:36 am

    Pettitte versus Beckett on Friday night – perfect game to clinch a playoff spot. Of course, it’d be nice to do it before then, but there would be something special about doing it against Boston and with those two pitching…

  89. Bad Scooter September 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Look out! Here come the Red Sox. Some of the posts (SJ included) just 5 days ago cracked me up. Panic and worry that the Yanks were in trouble of getting caught by the Sox and not making the playoffs. Funny stuff. Did you see how the Sox were playing? What lineup they were rolling out there? The Yanks were about to get healthy, too. It was much ado about nothing. Cracked me up though.

  90. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Here’s my tribute to YMH for winning # 17.

    Good job Phil.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....PckKKgjgE#

    :)

  91. JCPD September 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Good morning MTU. Glad I was able to catch you this morning before I head out for a day of waterfalls and apple picking. It’s that time of the year again and there’s nothing like going to the orchards and hand picking apples. Great stuff you posted, as always. And here’s my corresponding tribute.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/10.....CP4NKe9AE#

  92. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 8:10 am

    MTU and JCPD -

    Thank you both for sharing some awesome and awe-inspiring photographs. :)

    Question: Are you out alone when you’re taking these? Or do you have very understanding and patient companions along with you?

    (I ask because my family gets “antsy” when I want to stop and take photographs)

  93. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 am

    JCPD-

    I appreciate your efforts, and I’m sure Phil does too.

    Please prepare a TB sweep tribute.

    Where are you headed today ? Wish I could join you. Nothing like Waterfalls, and hand picked fruit.

  94. Chuck58 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 am

    What nice scenery! Thanks, guys [makes me want to grab my kayak and hit the water!]

  95. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Doreen-

    If you’re question was referred to me the answer is Yes. I do not travel alone is these remote places. Too much can go wrong. Buddy system.

    That guy and I have done a ton of hiking and exploring together.

    We’re good friends and he likes being a guinea pig. :)

  96. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 am

    I don’t blame Joe for losing faith in Javy – he’s been awful. However, letting him rot on the bench for 10 days is stupid. Javy’s comments after a recent start (was it last out or against the Jays) were ridiculous, though, for a guy who’s been as bad as he has. This just didn’t work out and I’m looking forward to him not being here.

    However, on a positive not, yesterday was a good game in many regards. Phil battled his way into the 7th inning, Jeter continued to show improved results and the offense did its thing. At this point, a split would be disappointing.

  97. 108 stitches September 22nd, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Any pitchers considered “fringe” will have to earn trust from here on in. Any pitcher on the bubble should know who he is. Right now there’s some overcrowding with the long reliever types.

  98. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 am

    MTU,

    Phil really showed us something last night. Huge for him to pitch into the 6th given how he struggled with his command at times early in the game.

    Let’s hope AJ shows up tonight…he’s looked better of late so hopefully he takes another step forward.

  99. disco stu September 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 am

    I was really hoping to see Vasquez come back to the Yankees this year and put up a solid season and put to rest those lasting negative images from 2004. I dont think it was a stretch to expect such a season considering the year he had in 2009 for Atlanta.

    But for whatever the reason, his two tenures here have not been good and I honestly dont believe that he will be on the post-season roster. I think Moseley, Mitre, Gaudin, and Nova are all ahead of Vasquez in terms of the “trust factor” for the post-season. The Yankees will surely carry at least one (maybe even two) long reliever and I just cannot see how Vasquez would be that guy.

  100. JCPD September 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Thanks Chuck58, always my pleasure to share. My answer to your question Doreen is I am almost always alone. In fact my hike two weeks ago through Watkins Glen was probably the first time I’d had a companion besides my dog in probably 5 years. And then that was only because friends of mine from Syracuse were visiting me while I was living n Colorado.My companion last week was quite understanding. She likes hiking and never has anyone to go with, so she doesn’t go. So, I was understanding and took her along.

  101. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 8:28 am

    MTU -

    That makes sense, of course!

    I love taking pictures but don’t get the opportunity unless I’m on vacation. I’ve taken to saying a lot of “go ahead, I’ll catch up.” But then I rush. I love scenery, flowers, the beauty of the outdoors. Your pictures and those of JCPD are terrific.

  102. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 am

    I wouldn’t expect Javy to be happy about his current situation…I’d worry if he were. His arm seems to respond better to bullpen work at this point (at least this season). When he’s pitched out of the bullpen everything just seems more crisp….it could be that logging all those innings for all those years has taken its toll and he just can’t sustain his stuff long enough to be effective as a starter.

    He could have value backing up the playoff starters.

  103. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Blake, that was huge……I was shocked that Joe brought him out for the 7th, but he still looked strong (though he was right to remove him at that point).

    I wonder why the control problems lately, though…………….

    Wade Davis has been pitching well for a long time, so tonight is a tough matchup; it would be sweet to win this and go into tomorrow with a chance to sweep.

  104. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Blake-

    The whole team is showing it’s character, and the talent we all knew was there is beginning to assert itself.

    17 games for a 24 year old. What can you say.

    They don’t grow on trees.

    Once Hughes masters his four pitches, and is able to throw any of them for a strike in any count it’s going to be cryin’ time for the competition.

    Since AJ is pencilled in for tonite’s game we have no choice but to hope he pulls it together again.

    :)

  105. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Doreen-

    “I love scenery, flowers, the beauty of the outdoors.”

    I just hate that stuff. Can’t you tell. ;)

  106. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Javy’s comments after one of his more recent starts annoyed the heck out of me – he just didn’t come off very well at all. I understand and dont blame him for being unhappy at not pitching or being pulled early, but he put himself in this position by pitching terribly for a long period of time. I don’t think he should be on the post-season roster. I mean, it’s obvious Joe does not trust him – so what’s the point?

    I still want to know what Moselely has done to deserve being sent to the doghouse.

  107. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am

    disco stu -

    Mitre has pitched even less than Javy lately.

    I don’t know. Perhaps, and this is just my thought process, perhaps Joe is “auditioning” some of these guys? Each of them has at times been really good and really not so good. I think he’s really looking at match-ups, trying to decide which pitchers would fit best depending on opponents, maybe? Or situations that might be optimal for each of these guys?

    So, I don’t think it’s a matter of “trust,” so much as a matter of looking for the right combination? Joe said that he didn’t use Javy before because the situation that he would use him didn’t arise. It is entirely possible that that is exactly the case, or it could be just talk, or a combination of both.

    I was hoping we’d get the 2009 Javy or close to it and I was rooting for him. I’m sure no one is more disappointed than he is about how 2010 has gone. I wouldn’t count Javy out necessarily, though, because even when he didn’t have it, he battled and the team wasn’t totally out of his starts. And he has been pretty good in relief. I’d figure Moselely, but Mitre and Gaudin would be my big question marks.

    I guess we’ll see. :)

  108. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am

    I don’t think there is any way Javy isn’t on the post-season roster.

    He has actually pitched well out of the bullpen this year.

    I suspect he will get more work over the next 10 days.

    He did his job last night. Can’t kill him over the kind of bloop hit he gave up to Crawford that Mo often gives up.

    You also can’t kill him for his post-game comments.

    The guy is a competitor and wants the ball.

    I’d rather have those guys on the team than guys who don’t want to pitch.

  109. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Betsy,

    I agree that a split would be disappointing now. I and many others said they needed 3 of 4 in this series if they were going to hang on to the division and now they have set themselves up to do that or maybe even dare I say sweep….they have guaranteed being in first after this series but when you consider these next two games are essentially worth 2 games each in the standings….have to go for it….win one and its a 2.5 game lead…win both and its 4.5…either way CC is going to have a chance to win the series tomorrow and before it started most of is would have taken that. Sure would be nice if the Yanks could make tomorrow a “cherry on top” game by winning tonight.

  110. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Kevin Towers has gotten the GM job in AZ……………..congrats to him, but I’m disappointed his stay here was such a short one.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....-gm-35695/

  111. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    SJ,

    Of Javy, Mitre, Gaudin, Nova, and Mosely…who do you think will be on the post season roster for the first series?

  112. ac1 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    win tonight and cc is on the mound tomorrow, which gives us a good chance to win.
    and seeing how boston has played, that series doesnt really worry anyone.
    toronto in toronto is the toughest test left for the yankees.

  113. JCPD September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Doreen, just sent you an e-mail.

  114. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:41 am

    No, not for his comments last night, but for his comments after he was pulled early in a recent game.

    If Joe is going to work him, then I’ve no problem with him being on the post-season roster……………It’s just an issue if he has no faith in him and he doesn’t pitch him.

    So how many long men do we take, 2? Javy and either Gaudiin, Moselely, Mitre or Nova? I think it will be Nova.

  115. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am

    I do think last night was an audition of sorts for Javy.

    He could have begun the inning.

    However, I think Girardi wanted to see how he would handle coming out of the pen with a guy on base and I thought he did a good job.

    As far as his post-game comments, Javy has pitched than AJ Burnett this year. In fact, much better.

    Look at it from Javy’s perspective.

    He’s outpitched AJ yet, he’s the guy put in the bullpen and is not being considered for a post-season start instead of Burnett.

    I’m not saying that’s the wrong move. I’m saying that if you are Vazquez, that has to eat at you.

  116. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Blake, I really want to win tonight because although CC is great, so is Price……………..that will be a tough one. It’s vital that AJ pitch a good game no matter what, though.

  117. ac1 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am

    in the short series, javy and gaudin. in the long ones, add Nova.

  118. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    SJ-

    I really don’t understand all the Javy hate.

    He had problems with his mechanics early in the season but then ironed them out.

    After that he threw the ball extremely well for an extended period and was one the best starters on the team.

    Then he developed tried arm syndrome. He has a lot of miles on that arm. Can’t blame him for that.

  119. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5602244

  120. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    I don’t hate Javy – his comments are just disappointing. I don’t hate him – he’s just fallen off a cliff suff wise; that’s not his fault and it’s not like he’s not trying. Some call him gutless – that’s not fair.

  121. Betsy September 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Later!

  122. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Blake,

    From usage patterns, I think it will be Javy and Gaudin.

    Nova is a rookie starting pitcher, coming up on innings limits who has never pitched out of the bullpen in his career. I doubt he will in the post-season.

    Mitre is a sinkerball pitcher who needs more work to be effective. His limited work in September won’t help his cause.

    In addition, there is a chance Marte could be activated and have a shot at making the post-season roster.

    If he can come back, they would only carry one long man. Which is enough.

  123. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Betsy-

    Kevin Towers to the Snakes.

    That’s great. We now will have another solid trading partner. ;)

  124. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 am

    I would put Javy and Nova both on the post season roster because in addition to being guys that can give length, they can also come in and strike guys out…I actually think that’s why Girardi has tended to use Gaudin more than Mitre or Mosely in certain situations of late…. If Javy’s stuff continues to look better out of the bullpen as it has in previous appearances then I think he would be a good guy to have out there.

  125. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 am

    SJ44 -

    Oh, I agree about Javy maybe feeling a little raw because he has pitched better than AJ, and he is a competitor, which I think is also a reason the Cashman wanted him back, in addition to him having been an innings-eater throughout his career. Darned bad timing that this is the year it had to catch up with him, isn’t it???? Anyway, that’s just human nature.

    Also, Javy has been very forthcoming in all his post-game interviews this season. I don’t get as wrapped up in what the players say any more, but you do notice when a losing pitcher stands there and takes the unpleasantness of the post-game interview.

    With AJ, I think it’s a combination of him having the potential to be nearly unhittable that keeps him in the front lines. “This could be the day” thinking. Javy, because of the diminished speed on his fastball, you need to be careful with. It is weird though, because I think Javy’s been the more reliable pitcher as well. Also, let’s face it – “politic” of sorts has to do with this – AJ’s got a contract for another couple of years; Javy does not.

  126. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 am

    MTU,

    The hatred comes from fans who can’t let 2004 go and misplace their blame on one player for blowing that series.

    Blowing that series was a team effort. It wasn’t on Javy.

    The guy lost his fastball this year. Nobody could have predicted that and it’s not a “mental” or “lacking guts” thing.

    He’s had to reconstruct how to pitch and that’s tough to do in the AL East.

    Now, like Jeter, you can’t get back to your career norms this year.

    All you can do is try to finish strong and help the team win when you get the opportunities to pitch.

  127. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Maybe we can get Ian Kennedy back. ;)

  128. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Doreen-

    I have my sights set higher.

    I want Justin Upton. :)

  129. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am

    I didn’t know there was still a chance Marte would be back…I guess that would change things.

  130. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am

    JCPD -

    Got your e-mail.

    Thanks!

  131. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 am

    MTU -

    Justin is a shortstop, right? Hmmmm…….

    :lol:

  132. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Doreen,

    No question about it.

    Only AJ’s contract has kept him in the rotation this year. That happens everywhere in baseball.

    Ironically, AJ is in the same situation as Javy.

    You can’t make up your lost year at this point.

    All you can do is try to finish strong and help the team win.

    That’s the only way you can make up for a lost year.

  133. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Javy will be pitching and starting again for somebody next season…I don’t think he’s done, as SJ said he’s probably just going to have to reinvent himself and that doesn’t happen overnight.

  134. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 am

    SJ-

    I know you’re a you’re a take-no-prisoners, bottom-line sort of guy so I agree with you on Javy.

    I don’t give a rat’s rear end what he did in the past only what he can do now. If he can help us win that’s all that matters.

    In fact that same logic applies to any of our players.;)

  135. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Doreen-

    I wish Justin were a ss. CF’er. :)

  136. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    SJ -

    Trick is getting someone to put up that mental wall between “then” and “now.” Not look at the stats at all and just go out and perform. Jeter can do it; I think he’s always been able to do it. I guess we’ll find out about AJ. For some reason, I do think Javy will do it. Especially since he’s pitching for a job next year.

  137. blake September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    MTU,

    Doesn’t look like the Bravos are going to be able to hang on to a playoff spot…they just are playing bad at the wrong time of year…..Actually its looking more and more like the Phils are going to steamroll their way to the WS for a hopeful rematch with the Yanks.

  138. Erica in NY September 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 am

    new thread :arrow:

  139. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 am

    MTU -

    Was Justin EVER a shortstop? Why did I think he was a ss?????

  140. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Blake-

    Sorry about the Braves.

    I have been thinking about a potential Philles-Yankees rematch for a while now.

    The Pitching matchups would be awesome especially the CC-Halladay ones.

    It doesn’t get any better than that.

  141. JM September 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    JCPD and MTU,

    Thanks so much for the great photo tributes; they are great to look at first thing in the morning!

    I don’t have a problem with what Javy said. He is disappointed he hasn’t pitched more. I was disappointed, too; I think out of the bullpen he’s a better pitcher than Gaudin. I also think he makes the post-season roster.

  142. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Doreen-

    Not as far as I know.

  143. SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 am

    It’s the old “don’t look at the scoreboard showing your numbers” theory.

    Some guys can do it and some can’t.

    At this time of year, the guys who can do it tend to be more successful than the guys who can’t.

    Once the playoffs start, it’s the team that gets hot for 3 weeks that wins.

    Stats, projections, and predictions mean nothing.

    Get hot for three weeks, which ANY player or team can do, and you hoist the trophy.

  144. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 am

    JM-

    My pleasure. Nothing like some eye candy to start your day off right. ;)

  145. Doreen September 22nd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Well, last night was a good showing by the “A” lineup, so that’s a step in the right direction.

  146. Yankee Trader September 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 am

    MTU and JCPD-

    Thanks for sharing your wonderful photographs.

    As far as the postseason pitching roster goes, I see your point SJ about Nova not having pitched out of the bullpen before, but he’s looked good in his last two appearances until he had a long layoff between innings and for whatever reason, loss of focus, third time thru the order, he has better pitches than the others competing for a “long man”roster post and neither the Twins or Rangers have faced him, which might be a plus.

    Kudos to Hughes for turning the tide by setting down the Rays in order in the 5th and 6th innings when it looked like the Rays might make a comeback. Still a little worrisome that he walked five and hasn’t been able to finish off hitters after 0-2 counts. Looks like Nova and Hughes have pitched about the same amount of innings this season.

    If I were to guess, based on today, Vazquez and Nova make the postseason roster over Moseley, Gaudin and Mitre. Still games to play though!

  147. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Doreen-

    We owe Wade Davis a good pasting. Let’s give it to him tonite. :)

  148. MTU September 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am

    YT-

    As always you’re welcome. Glad you enjoyed them. :)

  149. Yankee Trader September 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Roster spot not post. Egads!

  150. sunny615 September 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I am hoping AJ has his ‘A’ game tonight… over/under on giving up 3 runs or less?

  151. West Coast Yankee Fan September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am

    IMO, it doesn’t matter much who is on the post season roster from the group of Mosely, Vazquez, Mitre and Gaudin. They are all below average pitchers and if they play any significant role in the post-season whatsoever the Yankees are in trouble.

  152. Cashmoney September 22nd, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    good afternoon

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