Yankees vs. Rays, game 3
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Sep 22, 2010 
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Update, 7:16: Kind of a rocky start for A.J. Burnett. A single, a walk and ultimately a rocket of a sac fly by Evan Longoria that Curtis Granderson ran down near the track in center. But it’s only 1-0. Yankees turn.
Update, 7:40: The Rays’ starting pitching has generally been brutal lately, with a 6.80 ERA over the last 16 games. But rookie Wade Davis hasn’t been the problem. He’s won his last seven decisions, three since he came off the DL, and is unbeaten in his last 11 starts. He hasn’t given up a hit through two, six up, six down.
Update, 7:54: Burnett has made it through three with one run, two hits and two walks allowed. He has been pitching better this month. But his ERA at first pitch was still 5.08. He shouldn’t been so inconsistent, but he is.
Update, 7:58: Finally a Yankees baserunner. Curtis Granderson walks with one out in the third. Also, it’s starting to rain. The tarp is coming out.
Update, 8:30: It’s still raining. Wonder if Burnett and Davis will be back out if this goes on much longer.
Update, 8:55: It’s coming up near an hour. Hard to believe now that they would bring the starters back. Weather.com has it clear at 11, but we’ve had no announcements here. Hope it’s sooner than that. There has been a lot of lightning and the fans here were urged by PA announcer Paul Olden to seek cover.
Update, 9:18: This just in: It’s still raining here. Where’s the retractable roof when you need it? Olden told the crowd they’re stilling hope to resume this game at some point.
Update, 9:40: It’s still raining, but the grounds crew has come out to take off the wood planks holding down the tarp. It’s being pulled off. The rain seems to be getting light.
Update, 9:51: The game will resume at approximately at 10:05. Going to be a late night.
Update, 9:59: The Yankees didn’t get a hit off promising rookie Wade Davis in 2 1/3. Now they’re going to get another promising Rays rookie righty, Jeremy Hellickson, when we resume. And the Yankees are going to get their first look at Royce Ring, who will replace Burnett.
Update, 10:10: The count is 1-1 on Francisco Cervelli. Curtis Granderson is on first. Let’s start again.
Update, 10:12: Cervelli fans. The delay was two hours, 11 minutes. Dustin Moseley, by the way, has joined Ring warming in the Yankees’ pen.
Update, 10:16: Ring will make his pinstriped debut.
Update, 10:24: Ring was throwing in the mid-80s, but it was a tidy 1-2-3 inning with two strikeouts looking.
Update, 10:29: Just what Mark Teixeira needed, another bruise. Hellickson drilled him in the right leg, near the bottom of the hamstring. Teixeira is already playing with a broken little toe on his right foot and a bone bruise on his right thumb.
Update, 10:35: No-hitter for the Rays through four.
Update, 10:39: Boston beat Baltimore 6-1, so the Yankees or Rays will only be picking up one game in the magic number department tonight. The Yankees are at three to clinch a playoff ticket, and the Rays are at 6. It’s the Yankees or Rays wins wins combined with Red Sox losses to make the magic number.
Update, 10:41: Ring issued a two-out walk in the fifth, so now it’s Dustin Moseley’s turn.
Update, 10:46: Carl Crawford punched that ball through the middle, and it’s 2-0.
Update, 10:54: Lance Berkman breaks up the no-hitter in a big way. He lined that pitch from Hellickson to the right-center seats for his first homer as a Yankee, and it’s 2-1.
Update, 11:01: Dan Johnson has hurt the Yankees these last two weeks. There went another homer, solo shot in the sixth. Moseley isn’t fooling people. Matt Joyce followed with a one-hop drive to the fence in right-center for a double. The fans were booing. Chad Gaudin is warming.
Update, 11:09: Great job by Teixeira and Cervelli. Teixeira fired home on Reid Brignac’s soft bouncer and Joyce was tagged out by a twisting Cervelli.
Update, 11:12: It’s nice for the Yankees that they have such a golden glove at first. Teixeira started the 3-6-3 double play, and Moseley gets to escape a first-and-third no-out problem.
Update, 11:16: Derek Jeter singles to left. The Captain now has an 11-game winning streak. Randy Choate is warming for the Rays.
Update, 11:20: That’s RBI No. 113 for A-Rod on the bloop single to left-center. It’s 3-2 and Hellickson is done. Choate is on with two outs here in the sixth.
Update, 11:26: Choate got Robinson Cano to pop up. Chad Gaudin will take the ball to start the seventh.
Update, 11:31: So who do you want more on the free-agent market, Cliff Lee or Carl Crawford? Crawford hit a solo shot to the right-center seats. And now Gaudin has served up back-to-back homers. Evan Longoria has reached the Yankees’ bullpen. So it’s 5-2.
Update, 11:36: Grant Balfour is on to work the seventh for Tampa Bay.
Update, 11:56: Jonathan Albaladejo walks two in a row to force in a run – 6-2, with two outs in the eighth.
Update, 12:34: Yankees lose, 7-2. Time of the game was 3:15. Somehow it seemed longer.
Berkman goes yard tonight.
not only do the rays have a cakewalk to the playoffs, but they also get to face seattle without facing felix?
ac1 – But of course. You cant expect anything else from the teams within Major League Boston.
YankFanCA
eptember 22nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Has anyone seen the 30:30 ESPN piece on Steinbrenner? They focused a lot on Hal. He comes across as a pretty nice guy, but you could see the scars of being George’s kid.
He went to military school (surprise, surprise) and said he was a Momma’s Boy who had to fight calling home each night. He praised his dad for his marketing acumen. Hal said that he himself is a numbers geek, who doesn’t excel at all at marketing.
He was quite self-effacing. He also mentioned that his first love is flying and that the air is the one place he can get away from it all.
I came away liking him and empathizing with him. He embraces his imperfection; that’s something that GMS would rationalize away
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YankFanCa
Where can I locate / find this piece ?
would be a good time for aj to get it together headed to the playoffs.
Vineyard call me.
Don’t let that 2 out single develop into a disaster. Get this guy.
I don’t want AJ anywhere near a Yankee pitching mound in the playoffs. I hope Cashman deals him, even if it involves eating some salary (which it surely would).
Got no love for AJ.
better brace yourself then, becasue aj is probably going to be the #4 pitcher.
Pretty good inning for AJ.
The Rays guys just showed the most stolen bases off MLB pitchers. AJ leads and Boston doesnt have one starter in the top 5. How is that possible? They have the loserest catching tandem. Just shows the lack of effort.
Great inning AJ
He doesn’t look terrible.
AJ’s stuff has looked a lot better in his last two starts.
How sad is that, that we have to be reduced to saying he doesn’t look terrible?
Wade Davis has pitched very well for a long time, so this will not be an easy game. I’d love to get this one, though, to take the pressure off tomorrow’s start.
It’s never been a problem with his stuff. AJ’s problems are 95% lack of command.
“It’s never been a problem with his stuff. AJ’s problems are 95% lack of command.”
It’s actually both both to some degree much of this season. Velocity had been down and his curveball had been flat which compounded the poor command.
Michael kay pronounced vase VAHZ .what an idiot. Pass me the grey poopon michael
CR9 September 22nd, 2010 at 7:33 pm
The Rays guys just showed the most stolen bases off MLB pitchers. AJ leads and Boston doesnt have one starter in the top 5. How is that possible? They have the loserest catching tandem. Just shows the lack of effort.
Great inning AJ
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Because Cervelli and Posada have been soooo stellar throwing out runners this year….
Plus, Burnett is atrocious at holding on runners. Always has been and probably always will be. That hasn’t changed…
yankees will get him on the second time through the lineup…
just hope AJ holds them down until then.
You know living in NH, I don’t get to watch much televised Yankee games, but when I do the offense takes a nap. COME ON YANKS!.. at least give me a hit!
Now let’s see if AJ can actually hold them down until the offense can get to Davis.
“Because Cervelli and Posada have been soooo stellar throwing out runners this year….”
Even on Cervelli and Posada’s worst days, they are 50 times better than VMart and Tek. There should be no argument there.
And Beckett holds on runners superbly, doesnt he
We’ll take that break off the bat of Jaso.
I hate watching AJ pitch
I can’t stand lead off walks. Kills pitchers and absolutely kills AJ
blake September 22nd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
“It’s never been a problem with his stuff. AJ’s problems are 95% lack of command.” It’s actually both both to some degree much of this season. Velocity had been down and his curveball had been flat which compounded the poor command.
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I can’t say I agree. His velocity has been plenty good enough and his curve has bite. He just can’t throw them where he wants too. When he can’t throw his curve ball for strikes he doesn’t throw it. Control and command – like with every pitcher.
Its always mental issues with this clown. It might also be where the next left hook is coming from when he turns his back on his wife.
Aye, aye Admiral. As soon as the boat surfaces the mast will be raised and the call put out. Ten four, out.
espn cant figure out why crawford gets catchers interference a lot?
because his back foot is basically outside of the back of the box….
Cmon ESPN that was a heck of snag by Jeter. No replay though?
Wade Davis has been pitching well. This is a tough match-up. Burnett needs to hold them to 2 or 3 runs.
Burnett has given up 35 SB this year.. i mean 2B’s..
Vineyard,
Interesting stuff about Hal. I think that explains why the Yanks management is behind Girardi. Cashman is also a “numbers geek” and likes to play baseball that way. George charged through life and played with his gut feelings.
Both have merit at times, but I prefer to manage primarily through sound instincts. I’m not sure Girardi has any natural baseball instincts or if he does, he does not trust them.
If Tex tagged Crawford he would of been out since he was off the bag.
Nick — are you around tonight?
“I can’t say I agree. His velocity has been plenty good enough and his curve has bite. He just can’t throw them where he wants too. When he can’t throw his curve ball for strikes he doesn’t throw it. Control and command – like with every pitcher.”
AJ has never had good command. Velocity is very important to him…more so than other pitchers, it allows him to get away with some of those mistakes. His stuff hasn’t been as good this year and when you combine that with his usual poor command, that’s contributed to his struggles…
AJ wanted that low strike
It’s really annoying that the Rays can just take whatever base they want against us.
burnett needs to get outs when he gets up 0-2..
I don’t think AJ can let Longo beat him here. I hate walks and all but Longo owns him. No sense giving them a run
It’s really annoying that the Rays can just take whatever base they want against us.
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against everyone.
sutcliffe is really overreacting to AJs reaction to not getting that strike.
Nice AJ! Big pitch right there, lets get him a few runs here.
what a play
AJ AJ AJ AJ AJ AJ AJ AJ!!!! What a play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey Kay, go Crazay over that play babay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AJ has a hella owly look on his face tonight. I love it.
so aj pitching better, and they are going to end up in a rain delay in a little while.
Once again on a day AJ pitches it rains. Like clockwork
but rain will get davis out of the game so it may be a worthwhile delay.
Nice play by AJ. I hope they don’t let Longoria beat them in this series with scrubs batting after him.
At least that gets Davis out of the game if we have a rain delay
The Grandy man did
grandy should steal one
Take second here Curtis. Get aggressive.
here’s the rain…
YankFanCA
See post to you earlier in this thread.
holy ….. that’s pouring!
this should be only an hour or so… looks like its moving pretty fast.
Adois Mr. Davis!!!
guess well see moseley on the other end?
After the rain delay it will be Meat Tray time. Woohoo!!!
i think moseley will come out before mitre.
The 30 on 30 thing called House of Steinbrenner was on ESPN last night. They will probably play it again.
Too bad Vazquez pitched yesterday if AJ can’t return he is a much better option than Mitre, Gaudin or Moseley.
Tough call I would go Mosely prolly.
what’s the time prediction on the rain???
Rain delay predictions:
Playoff pitching:
Sabathia
Burnett
Pettitte
Hughes
Mariano
Wood (8th inning guy)
Joba
Robertson
Logan
Gaudin
Vazquez
45 min. Rain ends at the Delaware water gap.
Who would the Rays go with if Davis is pulled? Sonnanstine? Helickson? other?
Playoff pitchers… I would take Nova over Gaudin…
Funny comment from Brian: “He shoudn’t be so inconsistent, but he is”.
Just noticing that now, huh Brian? He has, unfortunately, been that way for years. What’s missing this year is the good AJ. It seems we have bad AJ and mediocre AJ, and good AJ has flown the proverbial coop.
I think you may be right 98NYY
I wonder why the can not throw simulated innings indoors during the rain delay.
If the delay is, say, 45 minutes then they could have two simulated innings and AJ could come to pitch when the game resumes.
Why don’t they do it?
Longer delay obviously does not allow this.
I would take Nova over Gaudin or Javy.
Alright well from what we did see from AJ, it wasn’t to shabby. Have to consider it a good outing I guess. Now the battle of the pens. Man would I love to kick these guys tonight while they’re down. Hate for it to come down to CC tomorrow on whether or not this series was a success or not. That game again tomorrow is a coin flip against a stud lefty in Price.
I don’t think Nova will be on the roster. If they are thinking about it he would have to come out of the rotation very soon so they can have him pitch out of the bullpen 4 or 5 times. They wouldn’t ask a rookie to pitch out of the pen if they didn’t take a look at him in that spot a couple of times 1st. I think Girardi will go with his boyfriend Gaudin.
After considering it again. I would take Vazquez and Nova. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what Girardi does.
Although, it’s not his decision totally if at all. I found Cashman’s comments on Francesa the other day really interesting. He said post-season pitching/roster decisions would be made by he, Girardi and Eiland with Gene Michaels and Billy Eppler. Then he would let Hal Steinbrenner know. Wow.
Oh Captain Clutch that is so funny. The way Girardi has fallen in love with Gaudin is unreal. One can only laugh about it.
I’m guessing the night is over for AJ and Davis
I actually think this may be an advantage for the Yanks….if it gets Davis out of the game and becomes a bullpen battle.
mosely should come in for the yanks….
tampa only got 2 innings from there starter…..
When was the last time Moseley pitched?
Boston is going to get their win for the week. So they should be all done winning by this weekend. Haha
Moseley has the worst numbers of Gaudin, Mitre and Moseley and Gaudin’s numbers are the same as Robertson’s except for strikeouts. Mitre is not far off the same pace.
Not saying that they are as good as Robertson, but, they aren’t as bad this year as some try to make them out to be.
SPTimesRays Unofficial word is that #Rays-Yanks could resume around 9:30.
I’m kind of worried about this game. No Ruby Tuesday predictions.
Brian, I like the title if this thread. But were you too lazy to look up what game number this is?
While we’re waiting….here’s the Yankees related stuff from Callis’s chat today…nothing earth shattering..
Simon (Montreal, Canada): What will the Yanks do with Jesus Montero next year?
Jim Callis: He doesn’t have anything to prove offensively in Triple-A, and Jorge Posada isn’t a gem defensively. I’d let him and Posada split catching and DHing at the major league level. Not sure how the Yankees will handle it. They could play the service-time game and keep him in Triple-A until late May.
Raymond Veras Casso (Bronx,NY): What is your Opinion on the Yankees farm system. Is it top 5 in all of MLB?
Jim Callis: It’s hard to answer that question with any precision, because those of us who try to rank farm systems do so after taking a deep look at all 30 organizations. My gut feel is the Yankees will rank in the 6-10 range. It has been a good year for their system.
ryan (florida): Is gary sanchez bat legit? Or is he another overhyped yankee prospect?
Jim Callis: It’s a legit bat and he’s a legit talent. That said, GCL performance means very little in the long run.
Gaudin has a 3.86 era in 44 ip this year as a yankee. He has pitched well in both stints here. I dont understand why people hate on him. I guess people need someone that they can pick on in the bullpen.
He is a long man that is mainly used pitching garbage inning. He serves a role. The only times he gets in close games is when they need to rest some of the better bullpen arms.
ESPN just said the game will start back up in 15 minutes.
SPTimesRays When #Rays do resume play, it looks like Wade Davis is done and Jeremy Hellickson will pitch
I don’t hate Gaudin and actually think he’s done a good job as a mop up man. Just don’t think Joe should have used him the other night with bases loaded.
The Rays have Hellickson – not a bad long man
# GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Moseley has the worst numbers of Gaudin, Mitre and Moseley and Gaudin’s numbers are the same as Robertson’s except for strikeouts. Mitre is not far off the same pace.
Not saying that they are as good as Robertson, but, they aren’t as bad this year as some try to make them out to be.
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Which is why it is funny when people pine for Mosely, as if he is anything special. He had an ERA of almost 5 as a starter. He is not better than Gaudin/Mitre and the numbers back it up. Gaudin’s and Mitre’s ERA are over a run better than Mosely’s
That’s the problem Gaudin is NOT only used in garbage innings. And yes he is used in close games ahead of other guys in the pen that are available. If he was only used in garbage innings I love Gaudin. And actually I don’t hate Gaudin I hate it when Girardi uses Gaudin.
Agreed JM.
Hellickson has a 9 ERA since being called back up, it seems like he struggles in relief. This will be a bit different as he’ll have all the time he needs to warm up ,but the yankees need to attack him.
GB – Yep.
Gaudin and Mitre have not been nearly as bad as people think. What do people want from their long man? Both of them have ERAs under 4.
Too bad for the rain delay as it wipes out an opportunity for AJ to pitch well …………..and to get back on track
Go Braves
espn just said the game would resume in 20minutes…is that not true? I imagine that they will try to resume tonight
Betsy, IMO AJ has had years to “get back on track” or in other words, to fulfill his potential. It’s not happening. The day he pitches in the post-season is when you will find out how he is going to pitch and nothing that precedes it matters at all.
I probably shouldn’t even be on the computer given the lightning in the area….
West Coast, yeah – I agree. He’s inconsistent even within games actually – sometimes he could be rolling along and then one inconsequential hit turns into several consequential hits.
Now ESPN says “still no word” of when it will resume.
Going to be a long night folks
Some of the new stuff on “It is High, It is Far, It is Caught” is pretty funny:
http://johnsterling.blogspot.com/
gee this waiting is messing with my bedtime, i got work in the morning.
Sorry to see Kevin Towers leave. I was hoping he could help correct Cashman’s repeated mistakes evaluating pitching. With the way Cashman has repeatedly bombed out aquiring pitching (Kevin Brown, Jeff Weaver, Randy Johnson, Kei Igawa, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Javier Vasquez twice, AJ Burnett, Chan Ho Park, etc) the Yankees would have been better off if they kept Towers for GM and got rid of Cashman. With a $200+ million dollar payroll, I’d bet Towers would have done a better job than Cashman has done over the last decade.
I’m looking at real time radar and the end of the rain is over Newark.
BoooooooHooooooooHooooooooo
Hellickson’s father couldnt make it to NY for this series… BoooHooo! :sniff sniff:
AJ definitely seems to be an $85 million mistake. The guy is so inconsistent, no one including AJ himself knows how he’s gonna pitch. You just have to hope he gets hot for a few weeks in October because he’s been a big zero this year in the regular season, especially for that salary.
Update, 9:40: It’s still raining, but the grounds crew has come out to take off the wood planks holding down the tarp.
Bill Simmons is great
Ian Kennedy has made 30 starts this season. Good for him! He has been so up and down with injuries and setbacks throughout his career. He has 185 IP’s and hitters are only batting .228 against him. He has 161 K’s.
Tabata and Jackson are both hitting near .300. Coke has pitched in late inning situations for a good part of this season. Clippard was effective out of the pen.
This was a year for the Yankees farm and the former farm as well.
Cano, Hughes and Gardner have performed. Chamberlain is decent.
I wish Wang could’ve stayed healthy. Our system is supposedly loaded? I find that, not surprising in the least.
EA – WHAT??? WHAT???? WHAT?????? I thought you were against Boston like me. You CANT think that loser is great. He’s great….at being a fairweather, bandwagon fan!
EA,
I was referring to his passage about how he said he wanted to commit suicide after Game 7 of the NBA finals
Man it seems like the Yankees have played the Jays about 50 times this year.
Also, does Curtis steal here once the game resumes or what? I say Run like the Wind Curtis
Victor Martinez drops a foul ball pop up while holding on to his mask. With 2 outs in the 9th. That’s impressive.
EA – He did? Seriously? I wish he would have! The world would be a better place
ESPN says it is expected to resume at 10:05
Wanna read a really funny Bill Simmons article, go here:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/.....ons/011207
He reviews the first 5 Rocky films. I like where he gave Rocky III a 16 on a scale of 1-10.
If the red sox were smart, they’d shut down Pap and Bard and Lester and Buchholz – among others – for the season. Why risk injury…….Well, let’s hope not shutting them down costs them, and one of them has to miss all of next year due to injury!
Simmons on Twitter after the Pats loss:
Tom Brady just got outplayed by Mark Sanchez. I feel like my whole life has been a lie.
4:08 PM Sep 19th via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Ring is warming up for the lefties in the 4th inning. It makes sense to get a look at him.
This article is completely different in tone from the Sherman one earlier today:
http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....ughes.html
If you believe Klapisch, the Yankees really don’t trust Phil at all.
Also, how asinine is this:
***Hughes lasted 6.1 innings, charged with three runs, allowing four hits, including a home run. Had Shields lived up to his “Big Game” nickname Hughes’ numbers wouldn’t been quite as acceptable, nor would Girardi been praising his 24-year-old for his “maturity.”***
Phil gave up 3 runs in 6 an 1/3 innings. Had the Yankees lost 3-2, still think Joe would have praised his maturity.
Sox would be crazy not to pick up milkshake’s option. When people talk about all the money the Sox have coming off the books, they shouldn’t include (HGH)-Big Papi.
Brett,
I think most people assume he is a given.
The interesting thing is Beltre/Martinez. And what they try and do to upgrade the OF
I thought they had an option on Beltre?
M_Marakovits LHP Royce Ring warming up for the yanks… RHP Jeremy Hellickson for the Rays when we resume…
Beltre holds the option… no way he is exercising it after the year he had
No, Beltre holds a player option for only $5 million.
Beltre should opt out and try to find more money elsewhere – coming off his MVP season with Boras as his agent.
Tom Caron just asked Papi to walk them through his home run at bat tonight:
Ortiz: “Well, yeah, i was up at the plate down 7 games in the loss column for the wild card, yeah. And, yeah, Im one of those hitters, yeah, that can hit one homer, yeah, and win 10 games in the loss column for my team with one homer, yeah.”
ok ok, he didnt actually say that!
He did actually say “Ive been here for 8 years. All Ive been doing is hitting.”
HAHA All he’s done is use steroids or some other PED!
Wade Davis is a rookie?
And why is Royce Ring coming in early in the game?
Gammons is complaining that the strike zone for David Ortiz is too wide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P P P P P P P GAMMO!
“Wade Davis is a rookie? ”
Yes. Only started 6 games last year. This is his first full season. Just turned 25.
?? ??
“And why is Royce Ring coming in early in the game?”
First 2 batters next inning are lefty?
A half a sandwich? Great insight! Not.
Who in their right mind would give Beltre a long term big money contract at age 32? The last time he had a year even close to this was 2004 and totally burned Seattle after signing a 5 year $64 million in 2005.
Good that the Yanks get a look at Hellickson before the playoffs.
I don’t think the Sox will dish out a big contract to Beltre. It’s cheaper for them to move Youkilis to 3b and trade for a first baseman.
They’re stuck with Cameron in CF for 1 more year and also Drew in RF.
They’ll try to sign Werth since they miss the slugging they lost with Manny.
I was glad to be rid of Davis, But Hellickson is going to be tough.
Grandy needs to steal…why not???
its about time…so who do the Yanks put in? Gaudin?
cmperez – Dont ever forget, there are always General Managers that will make the dumbest decisions such as signing Beltre for a 2-3 year or longer contract. It’s just a matter of who. Gil Meche for 5 years 55 million comes to mind immediately
There’s gonna be a lot of competition for Werth since he and Carl Crawford are the only 2 top flight corner outfielders available. I could see the Red Sox going for Crawford to play left and trading Ellsbury if the Yankees decide they don’t need Crawford.
this is going to be one of those circus games.
“its about time…so who do the Yanks put in? Gaudin?”
Not a high leverage situation, so…
Hmm, still seems early to bring him in…………..but I guess we have Logan if we need him.
Wow, Wade Davis is a terrific pitcher – he’s had a tremendous 2nd half.
I wonder how many fans are still at the Stadium??
oh well
CR9 you’re right, it only takes one guy to overvalue him and he has the right agent in Scott Boras.
Why didn’t Grandy steal with Cervelli batting?? Why wait until Gardner had 2 strikes with 2 outs…not very aggressive baseball….
Eventually Gardner is going to adjust to pitchers and swing early in the count but we are still waiting for that day to happen. He always gets stuck having to swing at a pitchers pitch after 2 strikes.
Why didn’t Grandy steal with Cervelli batting??
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When was the last time Granderson stole a base? Watching him with the Tigers I thought he was a Crawford like base stealer. Reads pitchers well, very aggressive with good speed and always runs. But this year he and Gardner have been statue like.
Captain Clutch September 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
When was the last time Granderson stole a base?
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Granderson last stole a base way back on September 20.
with more lefties coming up, might as well stay with Ring.
Royce Ring was supposed to be the Mets closer of the future when they traded for him in 2003 for Roberto Alomar from the White Sox. That trade was a loser for both sides
Nice work.
Runs…
nice inning
i say give him next inning too….
Granderson last stole a base way back on September 20.
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The point was he doesn’t steal often and I think that was obvious.
Fine with me – let’s see what we’ve got.
Just checking in. Definitely thought the game would be over by now but I just heard about the rain delay.
Why is Lance Kerns pitching?
Might as well let Ring stay in for the next inning. Two of the three are left handed batters and Navarro is a switch hitter.
I cant believe some losers on here compared Bartlett to Jeter last year.
Even in a down year for Jeter, Bartlett couldnt sniff his jock.
And Jeter is 36 years old and Bartlett is probably in his late 20s/early 30s.
You can be a good baserunner and not a base stealer………
“You can be a good baserunner and not a base stealer………”
See Williams, Bernie
Is Hellickson a starter or reliever?
Still hit it hard in the air.
Bastid hit Teix.
Yes…………..Bernie was a beautiful baserunner, as graceful as a gazelle, but he had no base stealing instincts (which is fine). I don’t think Gardner has the best instincts either.
Kay you mentioned this already.
Captain Clutch September 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 pm
The point was he doesn’t steal often and I think that was obvious.
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Granderson stole 20 bases last year, 12 bases in ’08, 26 bases in ’07 and 8 bases in ’06.
He’s never been Crawford like on the bases. But Granderson hits for more power.
A higher OBP might help Granderson run more, but otherwise he’s about where he usually is. Don’t forget that by year’s end he’ll have played about 20 games less than his norm.
My dad is at this game sitting in the first row along the 3rd base line (next to the tarp). I just spotted him!
He can probably pitch a complete game so let’s hope the Yanks get to him sooner than later. They haven’t had good swings tonight at all.
“Kay you mentioned this already.”
The creepiest thing about Kay lately is that he said on his radio show that he couldn’t understand why K-Rod texting his g/f 50+ times in violation of a restraining order was a problem because he merely wanted to get back with her. No, seriously.
Rich, he also said today that Braylon Edwards shouldn’t be punished because he’s just an entertainer – that he should be in jail, but until he does, he has every right to play. I used to like him, but now Kay basically makes me ill.
“My dad is at this game sitting in the first row along the 3rd base line (next to the tarp). I just spotted him!”
And he’s not holding up a sign mentioning the blog? Jeez.
I didn’t even realize that they don’t have a hit yet.
Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 pm
“My dad is at this game sitting in the first row along the 3rd base line (next to the tarp). I just spotted him!”
And he’s not holding up a sign mentioning the blog? Jeez.
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After “Don Go Don”….
No. More. Signs.
Ever.
Yanks haven’t shown up for this game yet.. 4 hitless innings!
“My dad is at this game sitting in the first row along the 3rd base line (next to the tarp). I just spotted him!”
I think I saw him. Is he the one wearing an Elmo hat?
Betsy
He’s a very troubled individual.
In fact, a few people called Francesa making the same point about Edwards and he rightly said they were nuts.
I missed some thing-
What does Flaherty have his panties in a twist about?
Tar September 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 pm
“My dad is at this game sitting in the first row along the 3rd base line (next to the tarp). I just spotted him!”
I think I saw him. Is he the one wearing an Elmo hat?
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Hahaha. No. But I texted him and told him that if I was there with my butterfly raincoat the rain would have stayed away.
nice play A-Rod
Drunk driving is just about the thing that makes me lose it the most. A lady called in (missed part of the call) to Mike. She was severely injured by a drunk driver 33 years ago (she’s in a wheelchair, the two people with her were killed) and said that the police knew who he was, and he was arrested, but there were no witnesses (either dead or, like she was, in a coma) and nothing ever happened to him.
I don’t know if Kay is troubled – that’s not my place – but if he honestly believes this stuff, then he’s got issues. If he’s saying this stuff to get fans riled up, then I hate that as well.
I mean – she called Francesca.
Francesca then talked about that incident on the Meadowbrook Pkwy. I wish I hadn’t heard that. I mean, I knew about the basics, but he gave some details I could have lived without.
that is a short leash for Royce….guess Joe really is trying to win this game
Braylon Edwards shouldnt be punished.
Until Braylon Edwards’ case has been adjudicated, he has EVERY RIGHT to continue doing his job!!!
How can you people not understand that?
If the Jets believe their company, their business is more profitable or better off with him continuing to do his job, then they have every right to allow him to continue his job.
There is NO GOOD REASON to suspend Edwards. His job has nothing to do with driving – i.e. bus driver, cop.
His use of alcohol outside of the game has no effect on his job performance.
There is an NFL policy for substance abusers – and if Edwards is a first time offender, then not getting suspended is the ONLY RIGHT THING TO DO!
Walked with my friend Brian today (Brian Red Sox fan – he used to post here) and we were talking about the last two games against the Rays and he said that Yankee fans on lohud must be really jazzed right now and I said yes, until the next time the Yankees lose. I tell him all the time about the amazing amount of complaining and negativity goes on here, even when the Yankees win. He knows that I am the opposite of all of that so he knows it drives me crazy.
But what he said was this (paraphrase). I don’t understand how they can be upset, especially with a sport like baseball since it’s such a long season. Yes, all teams have ebbs but the Yankees don’t have ebbs like some of the other teams who don’t have the talent the Yankees do and who can’t go out at the trading deadline and buy whoever they need. Do they really think that players who are having a tough go are never going to produce again? That’s bizarre.
I told him he was preaching to the choir. I then started listing all of the players that posters have wanted either DFA’d or killed this season and stopped and said it would be easier if I listed the one they didn’t want killed. Then I couldn’t think of one!
I think because most men are about fixing rather than communicating, the reason they go ballistic when a player isn’t perfect is because they want to fix him and fix him right away. No tolerance for amgibuity. (most men). Women on the other hand are more communicative and forgiving and deal better with the uncertain. Most women anyway. I think that’s why many of the females here are more understanding about players not producing and are not ready to have their contracts voided. There are of course shades of both extremes in men and women.
I think the happy medium comes with posters, male and female, who are best at applying a macro perspective to things and have an easier time applying long-term perspective.
Okay, enough of the ideas. I know during games many posters appreciate discussing the events, i.e., breaking down the players in the here and now.
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I still tip my cap to Girardi and think he did a great job of applying the proper perspective over the course of the last road trip, knowing that he wanted to have the muscle for this series.
The guy is perspicacious…
I heard that call. It was incredibly moving. She has a ton of courage.
I used troubled as a synonym for an obscenity. The guy makes some incredibly strange comments.
CR, don’t talk down to me or anyone else by calling us “you people”………….
LOL Rich………….he really does. I turned Kay off the minute I heard him say that about Edwards; I wasn’t about to give him ratings…………and I sure wasn’t going to let him get me upset.
Plus, the lady’s husband walked out on her not long after that……..sheesh.
It would be nice if they had a lefty to face Crawford here. Let’s stop this 2 out crap.
Wow- 2 balls taken off the ground. good hitting.
Betsy – Ill talk down to whomever I want to. You people are hypocrites. You people have a problem with me whining about umpires, but you people can whine about the size of a monument, the SIZE OF A MONUMENT that was meant as a dedication by one’s family to their patriarch!
Edwards will be punished under the letter of the law, and the letter of NFL policy
Whatever…………
This matchup scares me.
Well that stinks. Crawford and Longoria are very bad matchups for Moseley. Too bad he took Ring out. I would walk Longoria here with 1st base open, make someone else beat you.
So much for this game. Moseleys giving it away.
I am shocked they are pitching to Longoria here
ok the yankees can score 3 runs… very quickly.
the fact they have no hits yet shouldnt be too worrysome as we have seen tampa be dominated for 5 innings and then explode in the 6th….
2-0 seems like 10-0 for some reason…
Can someone please give me an objective nutshelll on AJ’s outing, if you think it’s possible to give a nutshell on an abbreviated outing. We all know that a pitcher can start out shaky and have a fantastic outing or also start out strong and fall apart. So I know there is no way of saying how he would have pitched throughout the game. But did he look okay? I know he gave up a run, but did it look like he was fragile and falling apart or was it on a few bloops? What do you think?
Just curious.
Guess I’ll stay up to see if the Yankees get a hit.
# sunny615 September 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 pm
So much for this game. Moseleys giving it away.
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I didn’t realize rain shortened the game to 5 innings.
That 2nd run hurts and of course it was a walk that scored. 2 out walks have been a big problem for this team.
“Yes, all teams have ebbs but the Yankees don’t have ebbs like some of the other teams who don’t have the talent the Yankees do and who can’t go out at the trading deadline and buy whoever they need.”
Funny, especially being spoken by a dirtpile Red Sox fan! I’d like to know exactly who the Yankees “bought” at the trade deadline this year. The other teams are contributing money to us for Berkman and Wood, and we are paying Kearns around 300k for the remainder of the year.
unfortunately everybody in the yankees pen isnt perfect, especially the long men. if the long men were good, they’d be starting somewhere, but sometimes they have to play.
Aceves would be nice to have.
Too bad they have Hellickson, and we have to mix & match…
“you people can whine about the size of a monument”
I don’t give a ____ about the size of the thing, but I thought the expression on his face was strange.
“Edwards will be punished under the letter of the law, and the letter of NFL policy”
My guess is that NFL contacts contain a moral turpitude clause. If so, they can suspend him right now. He did fail a breathalyzer test.
Either way, that wasn’t the point. The point was that he shouldn’t be suspended because the Jets knew he was a jerk. That’s like giving him a pass, which is ridiculous.
WOW, trisha. That’s breaking news!
Nice that you and a Red Sox fan can be friends.
Please tell him I said, “Aloha”.
And now the monument is apparently “causing havoc” …
“Batters especially are having trouble picking up the ball coming out of the shadow.
Premium box holders in center field are really pissed.”
http://i55.photobucket.com/alb.....e-dark.jpg
Yankees are being no hit.
Betsy – “Whatever” is right. Because you have absolutely nothing of value to respond with – in this instance.
If the other team is being no hit you don’[t jinx. But if the Yankees are then you can say something.
I have plenty to offer, but I’m not going to respond do you because you are not worth it.
Trisha-
AJ looked fine. His stuff was moving, and he had halfway decent control. But as we know with AJ, he’s rolling along and then he falls apart. So who really knows.
Someone called Pumas home run today. GJ.
who called the berkman homer?
SIR LANCE
SIR LANCE
Good time to hit his first Yankee home run
Much needed blast by Berkman.
Puma’s first!!!!!
Good way to break up a no hitter.
Hey, first Yankees Puma blast.
Go Berkman!!! We have been waiting for his 1st homerun….
Too bad it didn’t tie the game.
Go Berky Go!
It’s a good thing he wasn’t DFA’d like some people wanted.
finally!!! after 13232423423423 at bats as a Yankees Lance man has a HR….also the Yanks have their first hit
“he point was that he shouldn’t be suspended because the Jets knew he was a jerk.”
Rich – I didnt see your comments about Edwards. However, if the quote above is true, that reasoning is ridiculous.
Edwards should not be suspended IF he didnt break NFL policy and IF the Jets choose to not suspend him.
Whoever actually said that quote is a moron.
SIR LANCELOT RIDES TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!!!
(John Sterling)
MPF Lance Berkman = Awesome
Hellickson is legit
Guess I’ll stay up a while longer.
Good call, Radio…
First post of this thread…
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# Bronx Jeers September 22nd, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Berkman goes yard tonight.
I’m sure the Yankees will get a hit at some point. If they lose, they lose………..what are you going to do? The Rays have the advantage because they have a Hellickson to bring out, who’s going to be a good starter. We’ve got normal long men – meaning the odds are good that they are going to be mediocre or worse.
Props to Bronx Jeers…
And The Big Puma just left paw prints all over Hellickson.
Good call Bronx Jeers as well.
BERKIE!!!
Betsy – Can it. You’ve got nothing of value or intelligence to offer. No offense
Edwards should definitely be suspended. He has already been suspended once for conduct, and this is worse…
NFL policy seems to be on a whim.
Rich in NJ September 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Good call, Radio…
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Is it sick that I ran to my radio the second the ball left his bat??? LOL
Given how well he was swinging since coming off DL, it was only a matter of time before Berkman hit his first HR as Yankee.
Hopefully, now he will go on a rampage and makes a huge difference in the post season.
Why don’t you stuff it?
i’m feeling lucky. im calling a cervelli homerun sometime this year…
ac1 – There are different NFL policies. One policy is conduct. Another policy is substance abuse. IF this is Edwards’ first substance abuse offense, then HE SHOULD NOT BE SUSPENDED, unless the Jets choose to suspend him – which of course they shouldnt
BBFan September 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Given how well he was swinging since coming off DL, it was only a matter of time before Berkman hit his first HR as Yankee.
Hopefully, now he will go on a rampage and makes a huge difference in the post season.
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Actually, he’s been hitting over 400 since his return from the DL
i also think the yankees will hammer price tomorrow.
Sheesh. I hope Sutcliffe has knee pads on with the slobber he’s giving TB…
This kid is like a James Shields clone.
Hellickson has spotted his pitches very well, except for one.
Sutcliffe can slobber all he wants to; Tampa is still in 2nd place and will be even if they win tonight
I thought Sterling would go with Elvis has left the building.
Girardi should let Gaudin or someone else start the 6th inning. With the way Hellickson is throwing they can’t afford to give up anymore runs.
His point, and it’s entirely accurate even though he he used harsh Suxian fan-oriented language, is that the Yankees better than anyone else can overcome their problems by taking out their checkbook. He was entirely on the mark. The Yankees have the best players in the game to begin with. How can anyone, in a 162-game season, with a straight face make pronouncements about the demise of players because they are slumping?
And how in hell can any Yankee fan sit and wring her/his hands just because they don’t like the way things are going and actually believe the season is over? I say you don’t truly have an inkling about your team if you can’t get beyond your own nervous system to see that these players know how to get the job done and no amount of your (the generic your) fretting is going to change their confidence in their ability to win.
On the the last road trip, some of the more “illustrious” posters here, some of those who act as forum gurus. were ready to call the season over because of a very bad road trip and were ready to string up the manager, rather than give the benefit of the doubt and apply some basic understanding about the ebb and flow of seasons and the true ability of the New York Yankees. If you applied the perspective, you couldn’t have spent veritable hours talking about how bleak the situation was and was going to be. Sorry but it makes no sense. Girardi got it right, they got it wrong. It wasn’t an accident that the team came around. It didn’t happen in spite of Girardi. He knew what he was doing even if posters didn’t like the moves.
wow, didnt take long to give that run back..
# Captain Clutch September 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Girardi should let Gaudin or someone else start the 6th inning. With the way Hellickson is throwing they can’t afford to give up anymore runs.
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You were saying? Oy.
this seems like a Rays game…oh well we’ll get the one tomorrow
I know I’m a little late but….
PUMA PUMA PUMA PUMA
I think its time for a new pitcher
pat September 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm
I thought Sterling would go with Elvis has left the building.
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Maybe “Return To Sender” or “Flaming Star”.
F Moseley.
Get Mosely out of there.
Mosely = Barney Fife
Get Moseley out of the game, he has nothing!!!!!
i like to thank giradri for conceding another game
Moseley pitching his way off the postseason roster, if he was ever on it to begin with.
Time to hit the showers, Mose.
Moseley will not be on the playoff roster…
And Dustin Moseley is pitching himself off the playoff roster…. To be fair though it has been a while since he’s pitched so rust could be playing a factor here.
Mosely just pitched himself off of the post season roster.
Berk was way overdue but he really knocked the cork out of that double last night.
Safe to say that in the race for that longman spot….Mosely’s bringing up the rear…
i mean they have a lot of lefties. we can only counteract that so much.
get this guy outta there he freaking blows
“i also think the yankees will hammer price tomorrow.”
Hope so… it would suck to split the series at home after winning the first two…
Probably have to pull Moseley quick here. Nobody even up in the pen. Ouch
Mosely Vs Hellickson = unfair
# GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Mosely just pitched himself off of the post season roster.
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Works for me.
jesusmonterofordh September 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 pm
i like to thank giradri for conceding another game
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And who would you suggest bringing in in the 5th inning?
No one warming? Suboptimal.
With a short bullpen and arms like moseley, gaudin, and mitre in the rest of the game, it might as well be a five inning game other phil.
Dustin Moseley is not going to be on anyone’s playoff roster. Girardi is essentially conceding the game by keeping him in.
Hellickson is utterly dominant. Can’t give up anymore runs.
Eiland to Mosely: “stop throwing BP”
I haven’t been a fan of the way Girardi has managed the past couple of weeks but he really had his hands tied behind his back today. Burnett was looking like he would be able to go 6 or 7 and then the rain threw that plan out. Couldn’t have expected 6 innings out of the pen tonight… It’s not like Kerry Wood can pitch from the 3rd to the 8th…. maybe in ’98.
Game over.
Girardi manages so inconsistently.
What’s the mercy rule in rain delay games????
Might as well keep him in now. Good Lord, just a horrible effort by Moseley.
I guess Girardi is going to give up the game now. If you are going to leave Mosley out there then you should take out Tex, Arod, Jeter, Cano and Swish. I can’t stand how some nights Girardi just refuses to try and win the game.
I guess Girardi is going to give up the game now. If you are going to leave Mosley out there then you should take out Tex, Arod, Jeter, Cano and Swish. I can’t stand how some nights Girardi just refuses to try and win the game.
Brignac is going to Bushwhack Moseley on the first pitch.
Giradi has done a poor job of using the bullpen lately. Not enough guys are effective because of lack of use. I am tired of the excuse, he hasn’t pitched in x amount of days. If the pitcher is on the roster he should be effective.
Fans who stuck around during a 2 hour rain delay booing is kind of understandable. You wait out that mess, and then get to watch Dustin Mosely (and the offense not named Lance Berkman) suck, and no one’s going to be in a good mood.
Six men faced, 5 hits, and he’s still out there. That makes no sense.
Not that Chad Gaudin is any big improvement.
Girardi isn’t really trying to win this game, and that’s pretty clear. While losing a game to Tampa sucks, I can’t really say that, at this juncture, I blame him. I’d want to just go home, too.
“His point, and it’s entirely accurate even though he he used harsh Suxian fan-oriented language, is that the Yankees better than anyone else can overcome their problems by taking out their checkbook.”
That’s simply not always true. Which team spent more money this past offseason? The Yankees or the self-proclaimed mid-market Red Sox?
Like committing $200 million to get Drew, Dice-K, and Lugo????? Or another $100+ million on Lackey, Cameron, Scutaro, Beltre????
Anybody who uses the words “Yankees” and “checkbook” in the same sentence is a whining dirtpile. Tell your whinie, moaning Red Sox dirtpile friend to moan to his billionaire owner to spend more than the $175 million that he already spends!
Moseley isn’t a major league pitcher. Girardi punting another game. Just go to Chicago joe
Dustin Moseley is not going to be on anyone’s playoff roster. Girardi is essentially conceding the game by keeping him in.
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This isnt a video game. You cannot just replace a hitter. It was after the second hit he got gaudin up. You cant just bring someone in without warming up. i dont really see how joe could have gotten anyone up quicker than he did.
You have a chance to steal a game from the Rays in which you are locked in a close battle, yet you give away the game by bringing in a pitcher who not only is not good, but is not the only option to pitch long relief.
It’s amazing that few people call Girardi on his moves, because they truly have been mind boggling. If he was willing to use Gaudin with the bases loaded, why isn’t he willing to use him to pitch an inning or two here to keep it close? Moseley is garbage, he always has been and always will be. The Rays feast on a pitcher like him and you are helping them out.
Twice Moseley has been in there with a 1 run deficit to hold, and twice he has given up runs and possibly even multiple runs in this inning unless he pulls a miracle. This game is well within reach, but not if you don’t try to win it by bringing in somewhat respectable pitchers.
Mosely turning back into the pumpkin that he was – what i don’t understand about girardi is that he has like 24 pitchers on the expanded roster why isn’t someone up at all times when you have the scrub pitchers pitching in case stuff like this happens
mel, if I didn’t have Suxian friends, I would pretty much be without friends here! This isn’t necessarily a hotbed of Yankee peeps!!!
Anway, Brian and I have been friends for a very long time. We used to work together. In fact, we used to go as foursomes to fenway field. I was the lone Yankee fan but it didn’t bother me!
“Trisha-
AJ looked fine. His stuff was moving, and he had halfway decent control. But as we know with AJ, he’s rolling along and then he falls apart. So who really knows.”
Eric, thanks! You’re right about not being able to know what would have happened but I’m still happy to hear that he was doing a pretty decent job as far as he went.
If Mosely makes the postseason roster….it will be on somebody’s Playstation….
Just a mindnumbing decision to keep Moseley in the game by Girardi.
It makes no sense at all. A game you really had the chance to steal, and now it’s gone.
Looks like Mitre did the opposite of whatever Gaudin did. If you are not going to use him tonight, when?
The same people that whine about moseley, whine about Gaudin, and then whine that Joe overuses Robertson, Logan, Wood…. So basically you will just complain about whatever move is made.
This inning is exactly what is so annoying about Girardi. Some games he tries to go all out to win and tonight he has given up in the 6th inning. It’s so hard to figure out what games he is actually going to try and win.
Shut up, Kay.
Big out at home!!
Great play by Tex
Thats a phenomenal play by Tex.
Someone tell me again that Tex isn’t a gold glover
Moseley hasn’t pitched in a while. Get over it. The guy has been a very good pitcher for us and did what we needed him to when our rotation was scuffling.
Yankees won’t turn into pumpkins if they don’t win this game – not that I’m predicting such.
GORGEOUS PLAY AT HOME!!!! YAY TEX AND CISCO!!!
What a great throw by Tex and tag by Cervelli
nice play at the plate….hot stuff. Good job Cervelli and Tex
Frankly Trisha, you have it wrong and you do every night that you come on here with your ridiculous moralizing.
The issue with Girardi is NOT about resting players.
It’s HOW he did it and guess what? He screwed up.
He had no consistency in his usage patterns and it cost the team 2, perhaps even 3 games on the roadtrip.
Ironically, games that if they had in the win column right now would make it EASIER to rest guys at this stage of the season.
Believe it or not, everything the Yankees do is not always correct and the erratic way Girardi went about resting players and utilizing his bullpen were not his finest moments as manager of this team.
All of your moralizing and Brian’s passive aggressive nonsense, which made him a laughable poster on here isn’t going to change the facts.
Sweeeeeeeeeeet.
Posada would be 5 feet away from the plate
It’s amazing how many excuses people will make to defend Girardi when he screws up.
“He didn’t have anyone warming up…”
Well Moseley is garbage, why is he even in the game and still, why is nobody warming up when you know he is very hittable? That’s falling asleep on the manager’s part.
“But he needs innings with the rain delay”
Girardi has at least 3 long relievers on his roster, 2 of whom are much better than Moseley, but he has let one of them rot for weeks because he has been saving him every day for long relief that has never come. That’s a poor job by the manager to spread around the work.
“But guys are not available!!”
Well maybe that’s on Girardi for using Joba for a 2nd inning yesterday with a 5 run lead and such, rather than giving guys some rest by using guys who need work like Mitre.
Dear Captain Clutch, Ace, and Matt,
Lets hear your ideas here… What should Joe have done?
Joe is saving Meat Tray for the 8th inning..
trisha,
Just curious, when did you figure out that Brian (red sox fan) was your friend Brian?
Girardi did not have his hands tied today.
Down one run you have a chance to steal the game. It should have been evident that Moseley was throwing BP after the last inning and the leadoff homerun this inning. Now he’s backed himself into the corner and there’s no way out with Hellickson just painting the plate.
Why even have Mitre on the roster?
Girardi has at least 3 long relievers on his roster, 2 of whom are much better than Moseley, but he has let one of them rot for weeks because he has been saving him every day for long relief that has never come. That’s a poor job by the manager to spread around the work.
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Mitre? The same Mitre that gave up the game losing homerun in Tampa? The one that everyone asked, “how could joe bring in Mitre?”
BIG DP!!!!!! YES!!! Let’s go out there this inning and get ‘em!!
Nice play!
That inning was all Mark Texiera
GREAT defense to get out of the inning with just the one run…..
wow… yeah moseley really tanked this game.
idiots.
That was pretty sweet to get out of without any further damage
Hats off to Tex and Moseley
Tex saves the inning.
Let’s go bats!
Yankees were extremely fortunate to get out of that with 1 run. Need to take advantage.
Way to get the inning over with limited pain. Thanks TEX!!
Tex=vacuum
Lucked out.
by your logic here, Hellickson should have been pulled after his homerun to Berkman…
Disagree, Matt. Mosely was the obvious choice to get some innings after the delay. Furthermore, gaudin has been used more lately so I’m sure Joe wanted to avoid using him if he could. Mosely proved to be servicable in some games. He simply is having a bad outing tonight at a bad time. He is what he is. I haven’t agreed with many of Joe’s moves lately, but I don’t see any other otions tonight.
Teixeira comes up huge on defense. Cap the inning off with a blast.
Tex starts the 3-6-3 as good as anybody…he throws so well for a 1B.
Nice DP. This is why you want Teixeira playing on the field. He just saved some runs.
I’m not thinking this is a come back win for the Yanks as they just don’t seem to be able to hit much tonight, but you never know if they keep it close.
“The same people that whine about moseley, whine about Gaudin, and then whine that Joe overuses Robertson, Logan, Wood…. So basically you will just complain about whatever move is made.”
You’ve had accurately described the psyche of the lohud whiners.
“This inning is exactly what is so annoying about Girardi. Some games he tries to go all out to win and tonight he has given up in the 6th inning. It’s so hard to figure out what games he is actually going to try and win.”
Captain – read above. And because Girardi is doing things a certain way, likely with other things in mind for the rest of the game, tomorrow’s game, etc., does not ever mean that he isn’t in it to win games. He’s in it to apply the balance he needs to, to have the team ready to go for tomorrow and the series to follow!
Matt September 22nd, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Twice Moseley has been in there with a 1 run deficit to hold, and twice he has given up runs and possibly even multiple runs in this inning unless he pulls a miracle. This game is well within reach, but not if you don’t try to win it by bringing in somewhat respectable pitchers.
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Guess what, he pulled off a miracle.
Can you shut up now?????
Dodged that disaster. Thank you Tex. Hit the showers Mose.
Question why doesn’t Cervy ever just pick up the damn ball when its in front of him instead of looking at the runners daring them to go?
Lol great job limiting the damage.
What Girardi has done wrong is his managing leading up to this point. I don’t hate that he brought Moseley into this game. What he has done wrong IMO is not throwing him for 10 days before it. If you’re going to go with him, you need to give him the best chance to succeed and that is semi-regular use. Moseley finally settled in but he was obviously rusty at the beginning…
Disagree, Matt. Mosely was the obvious choice to get some innings after the delay. Furthermore, gaudin has been used more lately so I’m sure Joe wanted to avoid using him if he could. Mosely proved to be servicable in some games. He simply is having a bad outing tonight at a bad time. He is what he is. I haven’t agreed with many of Joe’s moves lately, but I don’t see any other otions tonight.
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he will say gaudin, then complain when he gives up a hit, or he will say go to logan/joba/robertson/wood and rivera and then complain they are overworked.
the fact they are overworked shows joe isnt trying to tank the season….
Mosely sucks – he sucked in toronto and he sucks here – 3 decent pitched games doesn’t change the fact that he sucks – it only means he got lucky in 3 games – and he even didn’t pitch that good in those games either
if he was any good toronto wouldn’t have let him go and he wouldn’t have begged cashman to keep him in the minor leagues – if he didn’t suck he would have pitched more than ZERO times the last 7 days or so…
yes he’s turned back into a pumpkin regardless of tex’s 2 spectacular plays
“Mitre? The same Mitre that gave up the game losing homerun in Tampa? The one that everyone asked, “how could joe bring in Mitre?”
The only trouble with Moseley is he hasn’t pitched much lately. Too much rust to shake off.
Lets hear your ideas here… What should Joe have done?
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Let Gaudin start the inning. That is what I wrote before the inning started so it’s not 2nd guessing. Gaudin is much better than Moseley and has better stuff to miss bats instead of Moseley where batters make a ton of contact off of him. Also Gaudin has pitched recently he hasn’t.
Gardner, don’t show bunt. Everyone knows you can’t do it effectively.
if he was any good toronto wouldn’t have let him go and he wouldn’t have begged cashman to keep him in the minor leagues – if he didn’t suck he would have pitched more than ZERO times the last 7 days or so…
yes he’s turned back into a pumpkin regardless of tex’s 2 spectacular plays
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You mean the two infield grounders that moseley induced than allowed those plays to be made?
“Actually, he’s been hitting over 400 since his return from the DL.”
You are right Erica.
I was refering to HRs.
It’s amazing how all of you guys analyze everything in a vacuum.
Maybe he had to bring in Mitre to lose that game because he screwed up in the last 3 games and burnt out his entire bullpen?
Girardi can make mistakes, but what’s concerning is that he is making them at an alarming frequency lately.
Maybe if Girardi did a better job spreading work around in his bullpen rather than using his set up men with 5 run leads and such, he would have more pitchers who are sharp and reliable, while not being tired.
The Yankees were ahead a ton of runs on Saturday and he went to Gaudin and Joba for the final 2 innings, even though he’s been relying on both in short relief situations with runners on base. Not Vazquez or Mitre who desperately needed work, but guys who desperately needed some rest. So instead, he didn’t have Joba available in Monday’s game because of his mistake, and then when he has to bring in these other pitchers they are not as sharp and he has to burn through more short relievers.
When you make those kinds of mistakes, the effects compound over the next few games and sometimes as we have seen the next few weeks. By burning out one block of relievers while underutilizing the other, he has made both sets ineffective.
i remember when everyone here said jeter should retire.
Came around it but it found a hole. Come on Tex.
BBFan September 22nd, 2010 at 11:16 pm
“Actually, he’s been hitting over 400 since his return from the DL.”
You are right Erica.
I was refering to HRs.
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Gotcha
c’mon Yankee bats
Jeter’s streak lives on!
“What Girardi has done wrong is his managing leading up to this point. I don’t hate that he brought Moseley into this game. What he has done wrong IMO is not throwing him for 10 days before it. If you’re going to go with him, you need to give him the best chance to succeed and that is semi-regular use. Moseley finally settled in but he was obviously rusty at the beginning…”
That’s the problem with September… too many guys, not enough innings.
Matt, yes managers make bad moves sometimes. except the other 29 teams managers. you know… the managers with team that have worse records than the yankees.
Jeter has looked alot better here recently at least results wise. It would be huge if he can muster up some of the Jeter of old and set the table in the playoffs. A hot Jeter coupled with a hot Arod, Grandy, Berkman and the usual Cano would be huge.
Rconn, you give up on games just a tad early; are the games now being shortened to 5 or 6 innings?
tex needs to look change.
Besides, with. CC going tomorrow and the game still within reach tonight, I think the chances of taking 3 of 4 are pretty good. Most of us would have signed up for that in a heartbeat last week.
a-bomb by a-rod?
Tex just doesn’t look right at the plate. Kudos for playing through the pain, but he just doesn’t have it.
ac1 September 22nd, 2010 at 11:16 pm
if he was any good toronto wouldn’t have let him go and he wouldn’t have begged cashman to keep him in the minor leagues – if he didn’t suck he would have pitched more than ZERO times the last 7 days or so…
yes he’s turned back into a pumpkin regardless of tex’s 2 spectacular plays
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You mean the two infield grounders that moseley induced than allowed those plays to be made?
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no the 6 hits before that including a homerun – when he only got 1 out…
Suckcliffe is just unbearable….
Umm no, Moseley always has been a mediocre pitcher and always will be.
At least with Gaudin you have a chance that with his better, low 90′s fastball, he may miss some bats and induce some weaker contact.
You guys do not understand the idea of situations. If Gaudin is brought in rather than Robertson, that’s something that makes you really shake your head. If the other option is Moseley, it’s a no brainer.
Even though the stupid people like the blind optimists on this blog will interpret it as complaining about anything because they are too narrowminded to consider that something may not be right, it’s totally situationally dependent. If you can’t understand that situations dictate matchups and logical choices, then you don’t know anywhere near as much about baseball as you think.
Joe is not giving up anything at this point. He’s just not panicking like some on here are. Mosely has at times times this year, been a valuable innings eater. That’s what Joe is doing right now, eating up innings. That doesn’t mean he’s giving up on the game.
It’s also kind of laughable to say Joe should have used Mitre or Gaudin over Mosely.
hellickson is blowing fastballs right past arod here tonight.
Busted bat dink. I’ll take it!
Geez, Hellickson is not Cy Young. He’s talented, ok – so what; it doesn’t make him unhittable.
Who did you guys want Joe to go with? Their long men are just that – long men.
Bloops are good
and as i say that, he bloops it…. good enough.
FYI, can Sutcliffe please stop talking?
There is a dunk hit
Yank1 September 22nd, 2010 at 11:18 pm
“What Girardi has done wrong is his managing leading up to this point. I don’t hate that he brought Moseley into this game. What he has done wrong IMO is not throwing him for 10 days before it. If you’re going to go with him, you need to give him the best chance to succeed and that is semi-regular use. Moseley finally settled in but he was obviously rusty at the beginning…”
That’s the problem with September… too many guys, not enough innings.
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I know it’s difficult for most managers but Girardi is a much worse manager in September than any other month IMO. I think he just has too many “toys” that he can use to make different matchups and play the stats. Girardi is better IMO when he has fewer options and kind of lets the game run it’s course.
hey look at that we got the run right back as well
Arod with a laser in the book…Alex isn’t picking the ball up well tonight for some reason it doesn’t look like but we’ll take it.
Alex may not be hitting a ton of HRs this season, but he gets a good amount of timely hits anyway.
A duck snort for an RBI.
It’s comical how Sutcliffe thinks everything happens in a vacuum.
Bring in Randy Choate!
Look, even if the move happened to work out by luck, it doesn’t make it the right move.
Moseley allowed 5 hits in 1.1 IP, he got smoked and he should have given up a lot of runs.
Sometimes it works, but I’d rather make the correct move and minimize my chance of failure than hope for miracles. There is no “I told you so,” because making the move was foolish in the first place.
Moseley has done a good job for the Yankees – he is who he is. Mitre is no great shakes – and now people are clamoring all of a sudden for Gaudin? Right – because we are going to win every game.
Good thing Hellickson is out of there. I am sure the Yanks will be happy to face anyone else in that bullpen not named Soriano.
# blake September 22nd, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Arod with a laser in the book…Alex isn’t picking the ball up well tonight for some reason it doesn’t look like but we’ll take it.
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Must be the Steinbrenner monument getting in his vision.
I love the term duck snort.
Wow I can’t believe Maddon is actually going with Choate. Albeit a small sample size but Cano’s 2-4 against him and really doesn’t look bothered by the lefty. I would have gone Hellickson one more batter but I guess that’s why I’m not a manager…
See the problem with your argument, Matt, is that last night’s game was paramount to win– it ensured no worse than a split with the erratic AJ on the mound tonight. I’m not in favor of conceding any game, but I agree with going all out to win last night, even with the lead. Tonight you can afford to roll the dice with the extra guys. Especially with CC going tomorrow.
Tyler, I do think Joe should have found a way to pitch Moseley – just what did he do to go in his doghouse anyway? He pitched very well in Texas ……
Narrowminded? Seriously? Anything but.
Some of us understand that it’s a team game, and it takes a team effort to win and a lack of execution by a team to lose.
We don’t fixate on microcosmic moments and beat them to death.
Some of us just think positively because the alternative sucks.
http://graneyandthepig.wordpre.....ton-globe/
“Still, you have to feel sorry for the guy. Even a Yankees fan would cringe reading the e-mails the 59-year-old sent to Linda Pizutti, the 30-year-old who is about to become Henry’s second wife. One of Pizutti’s “friends” is a writer at Boston Magazine. She re-printed some of the e-mails the billionaire sent Pizutti while he was courting her.”
Henry should be suspended!!!!!
Not a strike on Cano.
“Must be the Steinbrenner monument getting in his vision.”
lol, maybe that’s it.
I don’t have a problem with Girardi going to Moseley tonight.
The guy has to pitch. He has barely pitched the last two weeks and guys in the pen need a break.
http://www.entropypua.com/blog.....illionaire
There’s the link to John Henry’s sickeningly putrid emails.
who said, tampa has hellickson while we have to mix/match?
Yes, CC is going tomorrow, but so is Price.
If they split, I’ll be disappointed, but is it a huge deal? They took 2/3, can’t be expected to win every game and Price/CC is a push.
Hellickson doesn’t have great speed, but he must hide the ball really well. Has decent control as well.
This is the result of being a bottom feeder, then making some good choices. The Rays might compete for a while, but success will make it harder for them to keep competing as their farm gets used up. They aren’t going to be buying good players.
Can we go to one of our better relievers now for the 7th. Rest yesterday, probably rest tomorrow.
Exactly TheStraw, which is why you bring in Joba to escape that 8th inning jam and try to keep the lead as big as possible.
The problem is, why are you leaving him in after you tack on a run in the 9th to make it 8-3?
With a 5 run lead and one inning to go, you could throw most of the pitchers on your roster and feel confident about escaping with a win. What about Albaladejo, who was lights out in AAA and has been good in the majors thus far? You could give someone like Mitre some work to keep them sharp.
Instead, he burnt Joba for another 10 pitches or so, making him likely unavailable in one of these next two games. Now if he needs to turn to someone like Albaladejo or Mitre who hasn’t pitched in a week and a half, they are likely to not be that sharp.
The chance of winning the game up 5 in the 9th inning is ridiculously high, like 98 or 99 percent. Anything can happen, but what do you think are the odds of Albaladejo giving up 5 runs? I’d be shocked if it happened.
If the Yanks can continue to hang around then they’ll have a good chance to win this one late. Need a stop here.
Ah Robby, the move by Maddon works out. Now the Yanks are in the part of the bullpen they can get to. Just keep it at 2 runs and I think they win this game before Soriano comes in.
Or tie it up and have Cano hit against Soriano. That seems to work well…
“trisha,
Just curious, when did you figure out that Brian (red sox fan) was your friend Brian?”
mel, at one point on the forum he addressed me and said that if I was trisha from (where I live) then he thought it was possible he knew me. He is the only Brian I know who is a Sux fan AND who is so bright and well spoken. He truly is one of the brightest men I’ve ever met, honest to God. So he sounded like the Brian I knew when I read the posts. I tried to telegraph things to him in a cryptic way to let him know it was I.
It wasn’t until I started walking in a local park that I met up with him again. He is absolutely delightful. He walks 10 miles every day – he goes there twice a day. So I walk 5 miles every day, 2 laps of the park. And as you can imagine, most of our conversation is devoted to baseball, baseball, and more baseball. He does loathe the Yankees but it’s okay. I’m fair in my assessments but I don’t let him get away with anything. I can tell you the player he hates the most is Derek Jeter. He thinks he’s overrated, blah blah blah blah blah. When he starts on Jeter I just tell him not to bother and then we switch to something else.
SJ44 September 22nd, 2010 at 11:21 pm
A duck snort for an RBI.
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It’s only fitting. NYYs have lost a few games on those over the last month.
Moseley allowed 5 hits in 1.1 IP, he got smoked and he should have given up a lot of runs.
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Should have? What does that even mean?
He didnt. He induced two ground balls that led to all three outs after the shaky start.
You think Gaudin was the correct choice? If i go back a week, im sure i will find many posts where you criticize Gaudin to death also.
“I don’t have a problem with Girardi going to Moseley tonight.
The guy has to pitch. He has barely pitched the last two weeks and guys in the pen need a break”
Good call SJ.
CR9,
The Jets hands are tied by the NFL substance abuse policy, but Goodell is not.
He can still be suspended by the NFL.
Keep it at 1 run, I mistyped.
Those who wanted to see Gaudin, get their wish.
The only good reliever that is available tonight is probably Wood. I am sure Girardi wants to give everyone else another night off.
It’s a one run game and the Yankees have used their Scranton bullpen.
Hardly an issue.
I hope they stay away from Joba, Wood, Logan, Robertson and Mo for another night.
Two full days of rest for four of those guys plus a day for Joba is more important than this game.
Ironically, they could still win this game using their “Z” level guys in the pen.
Guess not.
hey matt, i guess that out ‘should be’ a hit because he was hit fairly hard.
blake September 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 pm
I love the term duck snort.
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Dying Quail, Texas Leaguer, Wedge Shot, Parachute.
We all better start hoping the Giants fall out of the division and wild card race. Do any of you have any desire to face Cain and Lincecum – 2 guys that “we have never seen before”?
SJ, I agree…………….this isn’t WWIII. I want to win, but our better relievers desperately need the rest.
Thanks for using D-Rob or wood Joe G.
Thank you for proving my point exactly, ac1.
So bringing in Gaudin with the bases loaded and 2 outs, with Robertson available to pitch is the same situation as tonight, right?
You clearly do not understand the game of baseball and it shows with every post you make.
Digging up posts from the previous few games is irrelevant, because once again they were totally different situations and circumstances, which call for different decisions to attain the desired outcome.
If you want to get out of a jam, you don’t bring in a guy like Gaudin. If you want to get some quality long relief, you bring him in for some clean innings and likely get the results you want.
Totally different situations, and the fact that you don’t understand such shows that your posts lack in crediblity.
Boy, he’s so much better than Mosely.
and yep, the run is given right back. saw this movie last inning.
Get a run, give a run?
Go Dan, please, just go.
Well that was less than ideal.
God I hate gaudin
The soft underbelly…
You clearly do not understand the game of baseball and it shows with every post you make.
__and you offer no suggestings other than whining and complaining about every move.
Having to face the Giants is a long way away.
I don’t think the Giants would make the World Series IMO. I think right now the Phillies pitching could hold against them with Halladay being the best pitcher in that series and Oswalt and Hamels with big game experience and hot. Plus, the Phils bats are much better than the Giants IMO.
But it is fun to see how a rotation of Cain, Lincecum, Zito, and Sanchez looks in the postseason.
Jesus Christ, Chad Gaudin sucks.
Yikes.
And just like that the game may be over. So stupid. You can rest your relievers tomorrow with CC on the mound.
wow, the back end of thte yankee bullpen is awful
LGY,
I respect your opinion, but from what I understand, Goodell cannot suspend Edwards, as his actions do not fall under personal conduct.
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Wow, this game got away in a hurry. Well, it’s not over yet.
Hey Matt, for all your harping, how is your friend Guadin doing?
Defensive wizardry was Moseley’s best friend in that last inning.
That said…..Can we get him back in here?
Put Nova on the playoff roster and get rid of these two dog meat pitchers.
He’s the guy they should have brought in over Moseley right?????
The good news is that both bozos – Moseley and Gaudin – may be pitching themselves off the post-season roster. Thank goodness.
Nova is much, much better than these clowns.
wow, the back end of thte yankee bullpen is awful
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The back end of any bullpen is awful.
Unlike the previous move, this was the right one that just happened to go wrong. You can’t criticize a guy when he makes an intelligent move and it doesn’t work. You can certainly criticize him when he makes the wrong move and gets burned by it though.
Moseley gave up 5 hits in 1.1 IP. He was terrible, he was lucky to escape that jam because in almost every other situation he would have given up at least 2, and likely 3 or 4 runs before that situation was over.
and some fans would rather have brett gardner, who rarely hits a ball hard, over carl crawford, lol.
Well I guess Gaudin doesn’t make a difference. 2 outs run have killed this team all year and the bullpen guys stink to lefties.
etergroundsintoanotherDP September 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 pm
wow, the back end of thte yankee bullpen is awful
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Moseley and Gaudin are the back end of the Yanks bullpen????
At least the bullpen gets rested for another night. Don’t have to worry about the win now.
Lots of guys pitching themselves off the post-season roster tonight.
Rest the core guys in the pen the rest of the night and look for CC to bring his “A” game tomorrow night.
At this point, I’d be fine with Gaudin going the rest of the way, regardless of outcome. Need to save the rest of the pen for the rest of the week.
Rain delay was unfortunate as it pulled AJ off the mound.
Hoping they can come back, but if not, oh well.
Gaudin. Moseley. Mitre. All scrubs. Good punt Joe
Eva Longoria.
Gaudin really isn’t all that swift. Granderson just saved the BP pitcher.
Granderson mercifully makes a great play to end the inning.
Tyler – Of course the WS is far away. And the Giants aren’t guaranteed of getting to the WS. However, it would be in the Yankees’ best interest if we dont face them, so I hope they miss the playoffs.
Similarly, it was in our best interest if the Padres played good ball until the July 31 trading deadline, so that they would not dump Adrian Gonzo to the Red Sox. So I hoped for that.
LOL giving up on the game……………..
I’m still fine with giving the bullpen rest; they need it.
more than the moves, it is amazing that so often when the offense scores, the pitching gives it right back.
Now we know why Washington and Maddon bring in a lefty to face almost every lefty late in the game.
Lets save the core guys for Scary Boston.
Wow do I even have to comment. Can we please stop the Gaudin experiment. Holy smokes.
All you can do as the manager is make the intelligent move and hope your players come through for you. If you don’t make the intelligent move, you aren’t doing your job as the manager, as Girardi has done lately. Not much you can do when Gaudin, who has been reliable lately, gets smoked for 2 home runs by their 2 best hitters.
SJ – no YOU have it all wrong. Because you didn’t understand or agree with what Girardi was doing you decided that he was unequivocally messed up. What you need to realize is that you don’t always have an accurate beat on things. You’re far too emotional to be able to be objective oftentimes. By the way others here – not talking about me – actually understood exactly what he was trying to do.
And stop using the word “ridiculous” or anything and everything that differs from your take. The only thing ridiculous is you calling others ridiculous!
By the way, Brian was the opposite of a joke on this forum. You don’t even know who he is, but he was a very reasonable poster who had extremely on-point and intelligent discussions about baseball with other posters here who truly appreciated his perspective. He didn’t come on here and play the part of a troll.
He at least had the savvy to act like a guest and not crap all over the Yankees when he was here. As a fan of the other team, he does retain the right to dislike the Yankees intensely and his discussing that with me, his friend, is absolutely within bounds.
Granderson is going to be special in these playoffs…. First time the Yanks have had a game changing center fielder heading into October since Bernie..
Grandy and Berkman heating up is huge
We really ought to be considering Nova as a long man in the playoffs.
Hell go to Albaladejo.
# JetergroundsintoanotherDP September 22nd, 2010 at 11:33 pm
and some fans would rather have brett gardner, who rarely hits a ball hard, over carl crawford, lol.
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I would rather have Gardner for the cost that Crawford would be (which would be over-market value).
“more than the moves, it is amazing that so often when the offense scores, the pitching gives it right back.”
the mike mussina disease
The rain delay really hurt this game. Though its tough to think it would be turning out much different.
You don’t want to burn out the pen on a loss though.
Hopefully we’re seeing the guys now who won’t be on the PS roster…
People really want Wood, Logan, Robertson, Joba and Mo burned out before the playoffs? I guess so.
Ace September 22nd, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Gaudin. Moseley. Mitre. All scrubs. Good punt Joe
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Again, you just like to criticize with no offer of what you think the right move would have been.
Do you just like saying, “good punt joe”?
“and some fans would rather have brett gardner, who rarely hits a ball hard, over carl crawford”
Yes, Yes, yes.
With the saved money we want Lee.
crawford can hit.
gardner can’t.
“LOL giving up on the game……………..
I’m still fine with giving the bullpen rest; they need it.”
Good going, Bets. You understand that sometimes you need to give up a battle in order to win the war!
Javy and Nova for the post season pen.
CR-
I agree about the Padres. Just personally I would actually rather face the Giants than the Phils right now but the fact the Yanks haven’t seen Lincecum or Cain is troubling…. I just would rather face those 2 than Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels..
There’s no way Girardi is taking Gaudin, Mitre, Moseley or Vazquez over Ivan Nova for the post season roster.
Especially Gaudin.
Gaudin absolutely SUCKS.
# Tyler September 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Granderson is going to be special in these playoffs…. First time the Yanks have had a game changing center fielder heading into October since Bernie..
Grandy and Berkman heating up is huge
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I think the trade to get him is going to end up being a great one, especially with his new swing. Next year, I think he has a huge year.
I assume Javy will be one long man (though if so, I have no idea why he didn’t pitch in 10 days)……………..I hardly think Nova is lock down, but he’s better than Gaudin and Mitre.
I understand giving the bullpen a rest, but if you’re going to essentially concede the game, why not give Albaladejo or Sanchez a shot? At least they gave Royce a shot…
CR9,
It depends on the outcome of the case.
If he is found guilty or pleads no contest Goodell has the power to suspend him under the personal conduct policy of the NFL.
Tomorrow becomes a very big game with the loss tonight. Want to win the division and not have to play the Twins at Target field.
Homefield advantage is likely going to go to Minny.
“Lets save the core guys for Scary Boston.”
lol
gardner can only do one thing…run. and he has terrible base running instincts, so that skill’s impact is lessened.
he’s basically an automatic out anyways.
Boy Ted Lilly’s recent fortunes sunk fast!
Hey enjoy the rest of the game, as much as you can. Yanks aren’t going to win every game but they are still up in this series no matter how the game ends.
GO YANKEES!!!
Does anyone wonder whether Gaudin somehow acquire naked photos of Girardi’s wife in delicto flagrant that he’s threatening to release to the public? I can’t fathom why our recalictrant jack ass of a manager otherwise would continue to call on a pitcher who so consistently over the last week has faltered– and faltered badly– in key situations.
Is Romulo Sanchez a worse option? What about Vasquez (he pitched a single inning last night)?
Someone please free us from Girardi. Best thing I heard last night was Gammon tell Franco Francesa that Girardi is flirting again with the Cubs. Please, please, leave, you uptight, arrogant, crew-cut martinet.
Mike, I admit – Joe does seem to not like Albaladejo.
We need Chad Qualls with his “B” game going and we need him quick.
If your resting the bullpen, why not let Albi get a chance? He did lead AAA Scranton in saves. Why not give him a chance over what we have seen from Gaudin. You want solutions, let’s try the young kids.
Yankees can’t beat Minnesota on the road?
# JetergroundsintoanotherDP September 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 pm
crawford can hit.
gardner can’t.
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Gardner can hit, just not for power. No one expects him to hit for power.
If he improves his bunting over the off-season, he will be a great player for the Yankees.
Crawford will cost too much. Pass.
I think Joe must have put a couple G’s on TB today.
“There’s no way Girardi is taking Gaudin, Mitre, Moseley or Vazquez over Ivan Nova for the post season roster.”
knowing girardi, nova will be the last of those options
Tyler – Understandable. And I agree, of the 2 teams, Id rather face the Giants. But without the Giants in the postseason, we only have to root against one NL team in the playoffs – the Phillies.
If we are going to rest the bullpen then why not rest the offense also? Girardi should take the main guys out of the game. Even if they tie the game now you have no one to pitch the 8th and 9th so give these guys the rest of the game off and be ready for tomorrow.
popping everything up tonight.
Gaudin. Mitre and Moseley = The underbelly. If this was the Sopranos they would be WACKED.
Why can’t Gaudin get put in more key spots? I mean, he’s so versatile.
No, you save the core guys so they have tread on their tires for the post-season.
Joba, Wood, Mo, Logan and Robertson have pitched a lot of baseball the last two weeks.
Giving these guys two days off right now is huge. More important than this game.
Girardi can’t keep going to the whip with the same guys every night.
This was an unlucky night due to the rain.
That kept AJ from not being able to give them innings.
That being the case, I’d rather he use the non-core guys in a game he has never lead in, rather than waste them this evening.
I guess its time to mail in the rest of the game, swinging so early in the count. Game over and now the Twins have tied us.
“Yankees can’t beat Minnesota on the road?”
nope.
and they can’t beat texas on the road, either.
i don’t see how they win a single playoff series.
phils will win the whole thing, imo.
LGY, You are probably right. However, I was only speaking of right now. Until his case has been adjudicated, he should not be suspended. Agree?
“Tomorrow becomes a very big game with the loss tonight. Want to win the division and not have to play the Twins at Target field.
Homefield advantage is likely going to go to Minny.”
rconn, Brian and I also talked about the concept of home field advantage and both agreed that a 2-3-2 split is hardly home field advantage. In fact I said I’d rather be the team that ends up with the three middle games! Home field advantage is huge only if you manage to get the games back to your home. Doesnt always happen.
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I love Minny and would truly love to see them represent the AL if anything were to happen to the Yanks. However, I still think that Minny is Minny and I don’t see them being able to beat the Yankees in the postseason, if it comes to facing Minny. JMO
I would be willing to bet that if the Jets, on their first possession, are down 7-0 and are facing a 3rd and 15 that Edwards will be out there on that first drive. Rex always talks about division games being worth “one and a half”. Although I don’t think Edwards is really any good, I bet if the Jets are in trouble he gets a ton of playing time…
The Yankees always seem to get messed up by the rain…but that’s life. I have no problem at all with Joe tonight………..then again, I’m not going to commit hari kari if the Yankees don’t get home field.
“crawford can hit.
gardner can’t.”
One will make $15m the other $600k. It’s a specious comparison.
It’s funny how Vazquez was used yesterday for the 1st time in 10 days but tonight would of been a perfect spot for him. He could of gave them 100 pitches and I am sure a better effort than Moseley and Gaudin.
Got to get to Tampa before the 6th. Once it gets to Balfour, Benoit and Soriano, it’s lights out. Just no chance.
“nope.
and they can’t beat texas on the road, either.
i don’t see how they win a single playoff series.
phils will win the whole thing, imo.”
Hey my friend Brian was talking about you today!!!
Are you guys seriously scared of a rotation of Liriano, Pavano and Duensing?
Then, Jeter, why are you bothering to watch the games?
The Yankees can beat any team, home or on the road. Sure they can lose – but that’s baseball. Giving up on games midway through, already conceding the division series if they don’t have HFA – I don’t get why people would do that, but hey they have the right.
Wow, I guess the Yankees are not allowed to lose another game. Even a game that created an unfortunate set of circumstances and forced to exposed the weakest part of their pen.
Let’s be real, Gaudin and Moseley have to be at or off the corners because they have such poor stuff.
# Captain Clutch September 22nd, 2010 at 11:42 pm
It’s funny how Vazquez was used yesterday for the 1st time in 10 days but tonight would of been a perfect spot for him. He could of gave them 100 pitches and I am sure a better effort than Moseley and Gaudin.
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Can’t predict the rain, unfortunately.
Trisha,
I’m well aware of what Girardi was trying to do and he didn’t do it well.
Unlike tonight, when these moves have a sense of logic and consistency to them, his moves on the road trip fell short of logic and consistency and hurt the team.
I’m well aware of who Brian was on here.
He would come on here and post his passive aggressive Yankee crap and got his panties in a bunch when guys like Nick, myself and several others would call him on it.
it’s only a best of five in the ALDS
We have no chance against any team with any pitchers. No chance against the Rays pen – they are all Bob Gibsons. No chance against the Twins. No chance against the Rangers. No chance against the Bad News Bears.
Straw, to be fair, Liriano and Pavano are an excellent twosome, but it’s not in my nature to fear any team. I respect every team, even the “worst”, but to fear and give up? No way.
Anybody see the Real Sports story on CC and his family on HBO. He is such a great man. I really admire his Mom. She has done such a wonderful job. The piece was very well done.
I agree SJ44 but what about Albaladejo, Romulo Sanchez, Mitre, or Vasquez? Anybody but Gaudin. He’s been nothing but dreadful in every appearance in which he’s made over the last 10 days.
Joe is resting the pen. That’s why Mosely and Gaudin are pitching.
He is also giving the pitchers who have been with team, every chance to make the post-season roster.
Albie, Romulo, etc have no chance to make the post season. They will see more innings after the roster is set.
“The Yankees can beat any team, home or on the road. Sure they can lose – but that’s baseball. Giving up on games midway through, already conceding the division series if they don’t have HFA – I don’t get why people would do that, but hey they have the right.”
Betsy,
You watch all the games. You see the team day-in and day-out, as do I. Do you really think they have that spark to succeed in the postseason? With this poor rotation, CC loses game 1 and it’s lights out.
Betsy-
I’ll give you Liriano. Not that other heartless jackass. You think he would be 18-12 pitching in the AL East. No way.
Minnesota is a better team than Texas, plain and simple. and this Twins team is much better than last year’s version.
They have a true No. 1, in Liriano, and like it or not, Pavano has pitched extremely well, and has always given the Yankees fits.
Thome is hitting like he was in his prime, Mauer is his typical brilliant self, Delmon Young is even playing like an All Star.
The Rangers are a much better matchup.
No one knew aj was going to get knocked out because of rain.
I would much rather play the Twins than have to face Cliff Lee twice in five games.
Spark to succeed in the post-season? What spark to any of these other teams have? They all have worse records than we do.
I’m not disrespecting Minnesota at all, but I just don’t get the idea of basically conceding the series.
Now you go to Albaladejo?
Christ gaudin sucks so much crap. What a useless put.
The only real thing I fear about Minnesota is that eventually don’t the Twins just have to beat the Yanks in the playoffs? If they play enough times it just has to happen…
What tar said.
Guys like Moseley, Gaudin and Mitre are auditioning for post-season roster spots. The AAA callups are not.
Rain killed them tonight. That’s the way it goes.
I’d rather the core guys get another night of rest.
They have been used a lot lately.
Straw, Pavano is a very good pitcher and he does handcuff us.
That said, I am not rooting for or against any other team; it doesn’t matter who we play – we simply have to beat that team no matter who it is. Sure Minny has Thome, etc…………but are the Yankees garbage?
Christ gaudin sucks so much crap. What a useless putz.
Mop up time now. I think tomorrow’s game means the division.
Yankees win, they are up 2 1/2, lose it’s down to 1/2 a game with Tampa having a much more favorable schedule.
Tough one tonight.
Tyler, I don’t believe in that stuff. If the Twins beat the Yankees, it’s because they will have played better, not because they are due.
I didn’t really expect the Yankees to win this game anyways with AJ on the mound regardless of how he has looked lately. I also knew it was about time that those annoying Rays started getting hits. Glad this game is going to be past print time because there is nothing more annoying than having to see the Tampa papers after the Rays win, especially when its against NY. I know it isn’t over yet but I’m going to bed so its over for me.
Don’t blame the rain. Would Burnett have outpitched Davis? Unlikely.
At this point rest everyone and call it a night. Nice punt Girardi.
Not really tough – I’m not upset at all.
Also, they still have to play the games. I don’t care what the schedule is……………..I’m not conceding the division.
I never could understand how these player load up their cheeks with that crap. Do they think its cool. I don’t get it and I never will.
They have their work cut out for them if they want the division.
If they win tomorrow… they have a 2 game lead, but face Boston-Toronto-Boston to close. Tampa faces Seattle-Baltimore-KC.
If they want the division, they probably have to play hard through the Fenway series. Rays owner talked about how they want the division so they can “hang up the banner” in their stadium – it means a lot more to them than it does us. They also have an easier schedule.
Pavano’s career record is similar to AJ’s, I believe. Is AJ a very good pitcher?
# YankFanCA September 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Don’t blame the rain. Would Burnett have outpitched Davis? Unlikely.
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It is odd that Alby is brought in now rather than instead of Gaudin, but whatever – it’s not a huge deal.
I agree also – I doubt AJ would have pitched well enough against Davis. You never know, but that’s how little trust AJ engenders. Davis might be their #2 starter in the post-season.
This is what happens when you don’t let a perfectly competent pitcher do anything for weeks at a time.
Straw, he’s had a very good last couple of years………….unlike AJ
The yankees had their soft spot in August against the royals, orioles, and punted those series’. Don’t cry foul now. They had their chance and didn’t step up.
So much for Girardi trying to win the division. Just be honest Girardi. Using a slew of mediocre relief pitchers says it all.
Minnesota is actually tied in the loss column with us – so technically, they are equal to us.
Hey Wang IS Taiwan, just saw your note, what’s up?
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What do you expect when the guy hasn’t pitched in 10 days? His control is obviously going to be a bit off.
It’s a self defeating cycle. You don’t use guys because you don’t trust them, and you don’t trust them because they perform poorly on the field after you use them for the first time in 10 days.
It’s very Torre-like
Good job by Scranton tonight….
Well, if the Yankees choose not to go all out and they don’t win the division, I’m still not going to freak. I don’t like Joe resting Alex as much as he did, but the pitching definitely needed the break. I can see this board is going to go haywire if we have the nerve not to hit a Cy Young caliber David Price.
All of you who were calling for Albie, hope you’re enjoying the show.
I have no idea why Gaudin was bought in for the 7th in a *one run game* with Robertson and Wood having not pitched yesterday, and CC going tomorrow, who usually gives length.
Is Gaudin Girardi’s secret love child?
I wish Girardi would tweet before games he thinks are ok to punt so I can do something else.
Game over. Nice job Albie. Try throwing a strike.
“LGY, You are probably right. However, I was only speaking of right now. Until his case has been adjudicated, he should not be suspended. Agree?”
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Should they?
That is a matter of opinion. It is not like the Jets are outlawed from suspending him.
They technically could suspend him, but then they would probably have to deal with the union and go to arbitration on the issue.
Let me put it this way. IMO the Jets certainly took the easy way out in this situation.
So are we supposed to win every game now? Wow.
All those calmoring for Albie, now you know what he can or can not do at ML level.
He will not be even protected for runle 5 draft this winter.
Niblick September 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 pm
All of you who were calling for Albie, hope you’re enjoying the show.
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Silly comment. He’s never used, of course he’s going to be rusty.
I wonder what Rays fans were thinking after the last couple of nights…….
Of course you all automatically assume the Rays will win those games even though they are 6-10 over the cast few weeks. Their starting pitching isn’t exactly setting the world on fire right now.
It’s September, folks. All 13 relievers are not going to be able to get regular work.
*last not cast.
# BBFan September 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 pm
All those calmoring for Albie, now you know what he can or can not do at ML level.
He will not be even protected for runle 5 draft this winter.
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I think it’s a little premature to predict his effectiveness off of 1/2 inning of work.
“I can see this board is going to go haywire if we have the nerve not to hit a Cy Young caliber David Price.”
Well, it would be disappointing if they split the series after winning the first 2 at home…
Straw, that’s right…………it’s unbelievable, like the Yankees aren’t allowed to lose a game even though they’ve just beaten the Rays twice in a row. The Yankees suck and the Rays, Twins and Rangers are the best teams in baseball history.
Both Wood and Robertson needed an extra day.
Look at their usage patterns the past 10 days.
Even in the games they didn’t work, on three occasions, Robertson warmed up but wasn’t used.
You can’t burn these guys out.
Girardi played it right tonight, despite the results.
“He would come on here and post his passive aggressive Yankee crap and got his panties in a bunch when guys like Nick, myself and several others would call him on it.”
You are ABSOLUTELY wrong. You have the wrong guy in mind. He is not the kind who would post stuff about the Yankees. In fact he spent most of his time answering questions about his own team that others would pose to him. He was the epitome of a gentleman when he posted here. He and I did not post to each other but I did read his posts. Nobody ever called him on anything because he didn’t ever call out the Yankees in any way shape or form.
It feels wierd when Betsy is the most calming voice here
Keep it up Betsy, you can do it
Tank, sort of, but tonight’s matchup wasn’t exactly great for us and CC and Price are a push. It’s not like CC is going up against a scrub. If they don’t hit Price, how can I be upset?
A loss is hardly the end of the world, but there have been too many mismanaged games prior to this. Girardi has his built-in excuse, so he’s getting a free pass from Cashman.
The Rays remaining schedule is a cake walk. The Orioles will play hard but Seattle and the Royals stink. The Yanks should just continue to rest their guys and see what happens. It will be very hard for them to win the division when they face the Sox 6 times and I am sure Lester and labtops will pitch.
BBFan, it sort of feels weird……………but I just don’t get giving up on the team, which is what some people are doing. I just don’t get conceding anything to any of those teams; I mean, why watch? Just go find a new tv show to occupy your time.
I’m not a fan of Joe – in fact, I don’t want him back. However, going all out to win a game – one game -when vital pieces of the pen are exhausted seems to be to be as stupid as anything he’s done.e
CR9,
Now I just read that Edwards wouldn’t have taken the Jets to arb if they had deactivated him for this Sundays game.
If that is case, the Jets definitely took the easy way out and hid behind the CBA.
Trisha,
He posted as Brian (Red Sox fan).
I’m well aware of who he is and how he posted here.
I wonder why Alby can’t get it done at this level. He can’t find it. Everytime he gets called up he sucks and then goes down to AAA and dominates. Frustrating.
I hope this is the last year of the Cervelli experiment. I hope he fades into oblivion.
Because those gritty gutty Sox have been playing great ball. Oh wait, they got beat 9-1 by the Orioles last night.
” It will be very hard for them to win the division when they face the Sox 6 times.”
I do not think so.
We will take at least 4 out of six from Sox.
Ok, so if the Yankees get the WC – well, it will be disappointing (and I really don’t love the WC). However, WS type teams need to be able to win on the road; if the Yankees fail to do that, then they just weren’t good enough. That happens …………..all the time.
With the immortal Lars Andersen at 1B.
“The Rays remaining schedule is a cake walk. The Orioles will play hard but Seattle and the Royals stink. The Yanks should just continue to rest their guys and see what happens. It will be very hard for them to win the division when they face the Sox 6 times and I am sure Lester and labtops will pitch.”
Agree. We face Lester this weekend, not Buchholz. We face both of them in Fenway, I think.
Their only realistic shot was to sweep Tampa and get a 4 game lead. Now, even with a win tomorrow, it’s only 2 games.
Sure, Seattle and KC could surprise them, but even if they do, we need to win tough games against Boston and Toronto on the road. And Girardi has to be careful not to overextend his bullpen to win games too.
Just doesn’t look good for the division, but it only would have if we swept.
Yo John, if you want to ass kiss the Rays all day, just go call the damn games with Dwayne Stats.
The Sox games will be hard fought – that’s just how these two teams play. Lester and Buchholz are excellent and the Sox can still hit. Let’s see how the Yankees’ pitching holds up as well…………………
Why don’t they shut off the food in
The legends section and just let everyone down there?
I have never seen a batter take more pitches than Gardner does. It seems like he swings at one pitch in every at bat, after being 0-2 of course.
“Keep it up Betsy, you can do it”
I agree, great job Betsy.
“I wonder why Alby can’t get it done at this level.”
He hasn’t had a chance this year. 5ip
Gardner is the most overrated player on the roster. He is a 4th outfielder and pinch runner. He couldn’t be compared to Crawford.
The Yankees have a 2.5 game lead as we speak and according to coolstandings have a 69.4% chance of winning the division.
If the Yankees take 3/4 in this series they will be in the drivers seat to win the division.
Brian the Passive Aggressive Red Sox fan is the subject here?
It was raymagnetic who coined that name.
Brian was was shart commenter, seemed to know baseball very well. For a while his comments here veered towards taunting, hence his nickname; he seemed caught between wanting to insult the Yankees and wanting to be a respectful commenter a la ray and dennis costanza. CB called him out on it a few times but was also happy to engage him in good baseball chats.
Brian the PA Red Sox fan evenutally dropped the Boston condescension and was a good commenter. In my opinion, of course.
Stu Sternberg (Rays owner) was on WFAN earlier and talked about how big it is to win the division because they consider winning the AL East more of an accomplishment than winning the AL pennant and they want to hang the AL East Champs banner in their dome…
If that is their mindset and Maddon wants to go crazy to win the division, let him.
Man, you guys are now worried that Pawtucket will cost us the division. Their Assistant GM was on MLB Radio this afternoon, and even he admitted they are just playing out the string right now. I would be shocked if the Yanks do any worse than a split of the six games.
In other news, Jeter looks like Jeter again.
Jeter with another LD!
I strongly believe the division lies in the outcome of tomorrow’s game. Yankees got CC going at home with the chance to be up 2.5 games with a little over a week left. Thats your opportunity right there to win the division. You lose that game and its Wild Card bound. Book the flight and the rooms in Minny.
Well that’s ridiculous – win the East and lose the pennant and no one cares about you.
I do think it’s a prestigious thing to win the division and I hate sliding in as the 2nd best team in the division. I was never for the WC – I always loved how only the best teams got into the playoffs.
The sox will fight a bit but they know that they are out of it.
Benoit is very capable of blowing up.
The Sox aren’t great but they still have their pitching in order and the middle of their lineup is good. Lester and labtops have been very tough on the Yanks and they usually don’t hit them well. Obviously anything can happen but these guys need rest and I think that is more important than going all out for it.
All you hope for now is a couple of more base runners. It would be nice to use up as much of their pen as possible. Maddon has to nail down this game.
Take a walk here to get Al up.
LGY – The Jets didnt take the easy way out. They took the smart way out. The Jets have decided to play a player that can help the team out on the football field to win games and used the CBA to avoid an undeserving public relations hit.
In no way should the Jets be ripped for not suspending a player that they feel can help the team win.
Re: Dennis Costanzo and Brian Red Sox fan and ray sox fan…..
Where are they?
Kinda convenient. The Yankees win the 2009 World Series and the Red Sox turn into slop, and they are nowhere to be seen. LOL!
Maddon is managing to win the Division, Girardi is not. Maddon said as much the other day, paraphrasing how it is important for the team’s momentum to go in as division winners. Girardi wants to be heathy etc. There might be your difference to who in fact wins the division I guess.
At some point Cashman has to put a stop to Tex playing and get him some rest. I know he wants to play and be a man but he obviously isn’t right. They need to get him as close to 100% as they can and trying to play threw it isn’t going to help his hand at all.
We face Beckett-Lester-Matsuzaka this weekend
Toronto is the team that has given us fits though, not Boston,
Longoria has a really sweet swing.
I doubt there is anyone here who expected the Yanks to sweep 4 games. 3 would be terrific.
“LGY – The Jets didnt take the easy way out. They took the smart way out. The Jets have decided to play a player that can help the team out on the football field to win games and used the CBA to avoid an undeserving public relations hit.”
They are taking a massive PR hit right now. I doubt deactivating him for a game or suspending him would have resulted in much ill will from the general public. Edwards himself said he not not have contested being deactivated for one game.
“In no way should the Jets be ripped for not suspending a player that they feel can help the team win.”
That depends on your priorities in regard to this issue. Like I said, it is a matter of opinion.
Alba should just stay in AAA.. He hasn’t been impressive in the majors at all whenever they bring him up.
Again, lack of intelligence. When you’re the Yankees, winning the division means absolutely nothing but helping the team on the road to potentially winning the WS. You dont win the World Series, and the division is nothing. Nothing prestigious about a division title without the World Series hardware to complement it!
True – we’ve had a difficult time with Toronto.
At this point, just get to the playoffs because then it’s a whole new season.
CR9, when you ask where someone is, is that code for you’ve already hunted them down and killed them with your bare hands?
just kidding!
Exactly Captain Clutch, let him die there with Igawa
This may sound crazy, but if I was managing the Yankees right now, dropping Tex in the order for the playoffs would cross my mind if he does not start looking better at the plate in the next 2 weeks.
He is not exactly known for short term slumps.
Albie. The definition of 4A player
“In no way should the Jets be ripped for not suspending a player that they feel can help the team win.”
Giants didn’t suspend their RT McKinzee for his DUI back in 08 and no one mentioned it.
Not to mention, DUI falls under substance abuse, not personal conduct. Thus, the CBA protects players from being suspended for a DUI. He can be deactivated, but from what I read, they have to go through the union to get that done (though he said he wouldn’t fight it).
They are taking the easy way out, but others teams have done it as well.
“At some point Cashman has to put a stop to Tex playing and get him some rest.”
Joe talked about that today. After the Yankees clinch, Tex will get 3 or 4 days off
LGY, that will never happen…………….it’s pretty frustrating at this point; he’s a HUGE black hole in the lineup.
The Rays want to win the division because they are putting all of their marbles into winning this year. The owner said they are cutting the payroll by about $10m next year. When they lose Crawford, Pena and Soriano they probably won’t be good for a couple of years and eventually they will run out of #1 picks and they won’t spend money on good players.
“Not to mention, DUI falls under substance abuse, not personal conduct.”
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It will fall under PC as well if he is convicted of a crime. Basically all crimes are subject to discipline under PC depending on what Goodell wants to do.
Yeah, I’d flip flop Cano and Teix.
U don’t drop players like Tex in lineup. Having the team deal with all the stories n media would be counter productive. These men r human. It ain’t video games
DUI isn’t merely substance abuse. It’s a reckless use of a deadly weapon.
did not see the game but chad gaudain girardi’s boy looks like he had a nother good night. probably won a spot on the postseason roster.
maybe girardi will let him start a game??????????
tex needs to just start hitting for a change. stop whinning for poor marky he have a boo boo……
If you want to win, you do it whatever gives you the best chance of doing it. The media be damned.
Edwards cost himself millions this off-season… isin’t that punishment enough?
But it is funny how Burress accidentally shot himself in the leg and is in jail for 2 years and Edwards drives twice over the legal limit and doesn’t get any punishment.
The NFL system is screwed up. How is DUI separated from personal conduct? I think most would agree that driving drunk is worse than punching someone in a nightclub.
Do the Yankees have a rally in their bones?
“U don’t drop players like Tex in lineup. Having the team deal with all the stories n media would be counter productive. These men r human. It ain’t video games”
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Counter-productive like having a below replacement level player batting 3rd during your quest to win the WS?
That sucks they don’t even have to use Soriano tonight. Just a zero of a night. Get’em tomorrow. Gotta come back strong.
No, it’s not punishment enough. He was lucky he didn’t kill someone.
The NFL has the best discipline system of any of the big leagues.
They can suspend anyone from the lowly dudes in the mailroom up to the top level executives under their personal conduct policy.
Didn’t Edwards punch out LeBron’s friend in Cleveland? Goodell didn’t suspend him for that though. Now he gets caught for a DUI.
Don’t have a problem with the Jets not doing anything. The better question is, why is it in their hands to begin with?
The commissioner should suspend him.
LGY –
The Jets’ priority is the direction of their business. So, the priority is winning. The Jets cannot succeed without their best players. You cannot suspend or get rid of one of your best players for reasons other than football.
The Jets’ job is not to establish a moral imperative for the entire universe. They are just a football organization that entertains fans. And all the fans that are whining to have Edwards suspended arent going to be happy that they paid good money for their entertainment and saw the Jets lose because they lacked a Number 1 Wide Receiver to help their sophomore Quarterback.
It has to do with supply and demand. It has nothing to do with opinion. There are not that many football players that can play football like Edwards. When Danny Woodhead – formerly of the Jets – gets a DWI, then we can talk about suspensions. Because Danny Woodhead aint gonna make the difference between winning and losing in the NFL. Braylon Edwards will.
btw, the Jets are receiving an undeserving PR hit right now, and they should not have to deactivate a player to accommodate the media.
Tex needs 4-5 days off not to be moved down in the lineup. It doesn’t make sense to not give him the time off that he needs to heal. He can’t drive the ball so it’s not like he is effective while playing hurt.
“Counter-productive like having a below replacement level player batting 3rd during your quest to win the WS?”
It worked last year.
Nick – LOL!
The Giants suspended Burress in 08 as a preemptive strike. They knew Goodell was going to suspend him. Same reason they released him before he was even convicted. They also wanted to go after his money, remember, they just signed him to a big deal prior to the season.
Resting Tex won’t heal his broken toe – it might help his thumb. However, he hit well after coming back initially from the thumb injury, so Tex is probably just in another of his deep slumbers He goes through too many of these for a guy with his contract
Tar, it did – but the Yankees were a better offensive team last year.
Goodell is not going to suspend Edwards until the issue is dealt with in court.
Once Edwards enters his plea or a decision is handed down, then Goodell will handle it.
“It will fall under PC as well if he is convicted of a crime.”
But he has not been convicted of anything YET!
Hard to rest Tex cause his glove is still so good. He will get some time off next week and then hopefully he helps out in October.
…which obviously you knew by your 12:34 am comment
The competition in the playoffs is also much stiffer this year.
Take no prisoners.
It will never happen, but I would consider it if I was the manager, which of course I am not.
Tex can’t catch the bombs Gaudin gives up night after night.
Good night Yankee people!
Burnett got the loss?
Ouch. 10-14 now.
CR9,
I am not a Jets fan so I have a different set of priorities about what I would want them to do.
Either way, Tex can’t be hidden..It’s too bad we have to talk about him like this.
“I am not a Jets fan so I have a different set of priorities about what I would want them to do.”
Just curious… whose your team?
That does stink that you have to go 5 for the win, but you can get the loss pitching fewer than that.
“Just curious… whose your team?”
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I used to be an Eagles fan until they signed Michael Vick.
Now I just watch the NFL casually and root against the Eagles.
Tex was brought here to be able to compensate for the aging RH bats (Jeter, ARod, Posada) and carry the team as the team turns over… not for the team to carry him when he slumps for most of the year.
He was seen as a cornerstone, not blend in player.
Resting Tex won’t heal his broken toe – it might help his thumb.
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He needs the time off for his thumb. I am sure a bone bruise is very painful and hurts everytime he swings. Cashman said he spoke to him about sitting but Tex told him he wants to play until the Yanks clinch the division. Tex does seem to slump for long periods of time but I think this has more to do with his finger.
Things Girardi knew that you didn’t………
BryanHoch Dave Robertson went for a MRI today, showed no structural damage. Unavailable w back spasms.
“The Giants suspended Burress in 08 as a preemptive strike.”
The Giants suspended Burress because they knew that Burress was not going to be able to play again the rest of the season.
However, I didnt agree with that either. We should have kept him around and hoped he healed well enough to play down the stretch of the season.
We certainly saw the results without Burress.
“Tar, it did – but the Yankees were a better offensive team last year.”
I don’t think they hit the ball all that well last post-season. And I do believe the Yankees will have better offensive numbers this post-season.
“I used to be an Eagles fan until they signed Michael Vick.
Now I just watch the NFL casually and root against the Eagles.”
hahaha nice
And now Vick is their starter and Reid says he doesn’t even know if Kolb will be on their team at the trade deadline lol. They gave up on him after 15 snaps against the Packers?
ET, he’s a very good player, but unfortunately he is a blend in player. He’s not a player that will step up and take a team on his shoulders.
Clutch, you could be right – we’ll never know. I know Tex wants to play, but if Joe and Cash think he should sit, he should sit.
LGY – Well, Im judging by the fact that you dropped the Eagles for signing Vick that you live by a certain moral standard. In that respect, I applaud you.
However – despite being an avid protector of animal rights and a lover of all animals – Vick committed a heinous crime. However, he is human and he made a mistake. He did the time for his crimes; he accepted the consequences of his actions and he vowed to change. I am certainly no fan of the Eagles, but I applaud them for giving Vick a second chance. For what is life without second chances…
Man, I’m glad I didn’t know Robertson was feeling iffy………….It’s good to hear that the MRI came up clean, but that’s not exactly good news going into the playoffs.
I wonder when Robertson had the spasms; he was warming up a couple of nights ago
Tex is a blend in player???? HAHAHA
The guy’s a superstar offensively and defensively! How does this ….. come out of her mouth??
CR9,
At the time, their reasoning was that it would take more than 4 games for him to heal from his gunshot wound. He had a hamstring injury on top of that. But there were only 4 games before the end of the season.
I truly believe the Giants would have won back-to-back if they didn’t happen. They were running over everyone that year – beat teams like the Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys, Cardinals, Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys, tough games on the road, scoring a ton of points. Spags defense was rolling. Arizona wouldn’t have come into our building in January and won… and I think we beat PIT. Really, it’s been downhill for the Giants since then. At least they got 1 ring out of it though.
Betsy – you believe in your Bears yet?
As a Giants fan, I thoroughly enjoyed them going into Texas Stadium and winning.
ET – I agree that we most likely would have repeated. But, as I always say, that’s the BAD LUCK of New York. We get a superstar that foolishly shoots himself! Only in New Yorker, my friend.
But, as you said, we did get 1 ring. And in the end, it was the MOST IMPORTANT CHAMPIONSHIP in the history of sports!
I’m not listening to the post-game, but according a poster elsewhere, Robertson’s back locked up on him. It’s muscular and that’s good news, but Joe does not know when he will be available again.
“He was seen as a cornerstone, not blend in player.”
I disagree. With Alex, Jeter, Jorge etc. blending in was exactly what they wanted. Maybe he will become the “cornerstone” when they retire.
Good night all
“And now Vick is their starter and Reid says he doesn’t even know if Kolb will be on their team at the trade deadline lol. They gave up on him after 15 snaps against the Packers?”
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Yeah that should be interesting. Really shortsighted.
To sound like CR9 for a second, Reid is a dirtpile. So arrogant for a coach who has never really won anything.
I think he lobbied the Eagles to get Vick, because his sons are screw ups and wanted to make a point about second chances or whatever.
Interesting game.
And now we know why Gaudin – Robertson had MRI on his back. Muscular, no structural problems, but still, they’ll have to be cautious with him for a few days, I guess, at least.
I guess good marks go to Royce Ring, who did a great job. Moselely wasn’t sharp, but did a fine job getting out of more trouble.
Albie continues to disappoint.
Gaudin will not be on the post-season roster – I mean, I’d be surprised if he was.
You hate to lose AJ so early. You hate to lose the game; but, these guys who hadn’t had any work got some. Perhaps they’re sharper if they have to be used again, and with Robertson sketchy, who knows.
I heard on the MLB network the broadcaster say the Rays believe whoever won this game would win the division. I really hate when teams do things like that. I don’t recall any Yankees ever saying things like that.
I’m pulling for CC tomorrow, harder than usual, and hoping that the offense does what has been doing after tough games like this one – rebound in a big way.
Yank1, lol well I want to see more, but they are a lot better than they looked in pre-season. I forgot the game was on in NY; when I happened to flip to Fox, I was shocked that they were leading.
Monday night vs., Green Bay will tell a lot. I’ll be happy if they are a good solid team this year……..
The Bears and Giants play this year again, so that will be fun. My brother-in-law and nephew are Cowboy fans, so I’m sure they were ticked off, lol.
I think it’s a shame the Bears have been so mediocre for so long because they are the original team of the NFL…..a good Bears team is good for the sport.
I should amend my previous statement, defensively he is without a doubt a “cornerstone” player.
“Things Girardi knew that you didn’t………”
What does he know about Mitre, who is at least as good as Gaudin and better than Moseley and Alby?
Joe needs to take it easy with the relievers…. they are the ones who need to be handled with kid gloves… not the position players (except Jorge maybe).
Also would be wise to start scaling back CC.
If they are going to win the division, the offense should be the one to carry them to the title. Roll out most of the A lineup and see where it takes us.
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LGY – Well, Im judging by the fact that you dropped the Eagles for signing Vick that you live by a certain moral standard. In that respect, I applaud you.
Despite being an avid protector of animal rights and a lover of all animals – Vick committed a heinous crime. However, he is human and he made a mistake. He did the time for his crimes; he accepted the consequences of his actions and he vowed to change. I am certainly no fan of the Eagles, but I applaud them for giving Vick a second chance. For what is life without second chances…
And just so we’re all clear here, Vick is not a Bostonian, never played with the Pats, and if not for the Eagles, Vick may have signed with the Patriots. And we all know that the genius Belichick would have utilized Vick in the wildcat on his way to another Super Bowl victory. Thanks Eagles for taking Vick away from them!
Honestly, this is a loss that just doesn’t bother me…………….they are going to lose games, like all teams do.
“However – despite being an avid protector of animal rights and a lover of all animals – Vick committed a heinous crime. However, he is human and he made a mistake. He did the time for his crimes; he accepted the consequences of his actions and he vowed to change. I am certainly no fan of the Eagles, but I applaud them for giving Vick a second chance. For what is life without second chances…”
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All mistakes are not created equal. It was also not his first “offense.” He made many mistakes before it.
I think you have to be a sick individual to commit certain crimes and you don’t just learn from it, vow to move on, and that’s it.
I was completely unmoved by Vick’s post prison interviews. He didn’t strike me as someone who remotely understood the gravity of his actions.
I think Vick is a sick individual and did not deserve a second chance in the NFL.
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After the rain delay went on for awhile, I was sure Girardi would use Mitre for length.
I was glad to see Ring get some work, though.
Do the Rays have some kind of cloning device in their minor leagues????? Can’t stand that they seem to have a new guy ready to step in every year.
“Yeah that should be interesting. Really shortsighted.
To sound like CR9 for a second, Reid is a dirtpile. So arrogant for a coach who has never really won anything.
I think he lobbied the Eagles to get Vick, because his sons are screw ups and wanted to make a point about second chances or whatever.”
Ouch. So true though. Not an Eagles fan, but Reid has always amazed me with his arrogance.
Were you a guy who was pro-McNabb?
The offense not hitting for 2-3 weeks or however long it was made Girardi over use the good part of the bullpen. Every game on the trip was very close so he had to use those guys a lot and now they have to give up these games because of it. Girardi has to be very careful down the stretch of how they use those guys. Wood and Mo should be available tomorrow but Joba and Logan can probably use another day.
“Were you a guy who was pro-McNabb?”
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Definitely. He was severely unappreciated by many Eagles fans especially given the cast of characters he had to throw to for most of his career there.
Yeah, this wasn’t a bad loss. The key guys in the pen needed the extra day off – down the stretch, when we’re in the playoffs, these losses don’t hurt much.
They didn’t hit today anyway
Characters like Todd freaking Pinkston.
“The offense not hitting for 2-3 weeks or however long it was made Girardi over use the good part of the bullpen. Every game on the trip was very close so he had to use those guys a lot and now they have to give up these games because of it. Girardi has to be very careful down the stretch of how they use those guys. Wood and Mo should be available tomorrow but Joba and Logan can probably use another day.”
That’s what some people forget – we’ve played a remarkable stretch of close games. Prior to this Rays series, 12 of 13 games were within 3 runs (9 of them were 1-run).
They need a nice string of blowouts, just to get some of these other pitchers into games and rest key relievers. The offense needs to carry the team down the stretch if they want the division.
LGY – I agree that what he did to those animals was SICK. Im not a supporter of the death penalty, but I could argue that the death penalty would be better served being invoked for animal killers rather than people killers.
He struck me the same way in his post prison interviews. However, the bottom line is, he served his time in prison for his actions and also dealt with his bankruptcy because of his actions. Although this may not be the case, Vick’s only talent is being a football player. He shouldnt be stripped of the ability to earn a living for the reason that he already served his punishment. Why the need for a 2nd punishment?
Clutch, and I agree with that. I want to win the division – of course I do – but not at the expense of our valuable relievers. You’re right – that 2 week stretch really stretched the pen to its limits and now we have to make sure that they are right.
“Definitely. He was severely unappreciated by many Eagles fans especially given the cast of characters he had to throw to for most of his career there.”
Agree – he did more with less than basically anyone.
And then they trade him to a division rival….
They just don’t hit much on the road. They need to mash on this homestand.
CR9,
People are always more sensitive to animal violence because they are innocent and helpless.
Vick is a dirtbag.
And it’s funny how Tony Dungy lectured Rex Ryan for a little cursing saying he wouldn’t hire him, yet was basically Vick’s PR machine desperately trying to get him another job.
So Dungy would employ a guy who kills dogs but not one who curses? hmm…
“He shouldnt be stripped of the ability to earn a living for the reason that he already served his punishment. Why the need for a 2nd punishment?”
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I hold playing in a professional sports league on a different level than a general public job. There are many ways for Vick to earn money. You don’t need a special talent to do a lot of jobs.
People have been received lifetime bans in sports before.
Like Goodell says, playing in the NFL is a privilege and not a right.
I would also like to see Girardi cut down on the amount of pitches that CC throws in his starts that are left. Set a pitch count and don’t let him go over it. 95-100 pitches and that’s it, no more of him throwing 110+ pitches. They need him as fresh as they can get him for the post season.
Clutch, no doubt.
CC, MO, Wood, Robertson, Logan, even Joba…. those are the guys who need to be conserved down the stretch. Andy will obviously, so will Hughes.
Clutch, I agree in general………….I don’t care how big and strong CC is, he’s still human. We have to look at the big picture here.
Also important IMO is that banning Vick from the NFL would not preclude him from using his talents to make a living.
There are other leagues like the CFL he could have played in.
CR9,
One more thing then off to bed.
I also understand I am in the minority (maybe even extreme minority) view with respect to the Vick situation.
While I may not agree with you and many others on the second chance thing, I respect that opinion.
Melk Man – You are absolutely right. I know Dungy is a class guy, but the fact he insulted Rex is rather distasteful. I bet Dungy wouldnt insult Bill Belichick. Whatever
LGY – Well, those are opinions. And you have the right to yours, and I respect them. I dont agree with them, though. If he’s banned from the NFL, where do you draw the line. Shouldnt the CFL then ban him?
LGY –
I dont think you’re in the minority, lol! I bet most of the people on here would rather Vick not in the NFL. Goodnight!
I just got back . No happy recap , eh?
“Shouldnt the CFL then ban him?”
CFL might not have standards – they may just want to sell tickets.
“You are absolutely right. I know Dungy is a class guy, but the fact he insulted Rex is rather distasteful. I bet Dungy wouldnt insult Bill Belichick. Whatever”
You are right – all Dungy did was lose to Bellichick in the playoffs every year (except 1)! He is the Mike Soscia of the NFL, except he didn’t beat a NY team while bending over for a Boston one, he just bent over for a Boston one!
LGY – I doubt you are in the minority. Most people wanted Vick executed. He is a dirtpile.
BX33 – Well, the 1 year Dungy did win against them was the biggest collapse in a Championship game in NFL History – by the Patriots. So it was a pretty big win. And he doesnt have the same distinction as Scioscia – because as you said, Scioscia beat the Yankees also. And furthermore, putting Dungy and Scioscia in the same sentence is an atrocity. Scioscia is a heartless, soulless criminal!
As for the CFL having standards….What standards does the NFL have?
What did Roger Goodell do with those Patriots SpyGate videotapes? He got rid of them….aka swept them under the rug… so that the world will never be able to see exactly what the videotapes contained. He just threw them all away. Why would anybody – especially in his position – do that???? You always keep evidence like that. Always!
*CFL not having standards…