A-Rod gives and receives
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 23, 2010 
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Before last night’s game, Alex Rodriguez donated the spikes he wore on August 4 to the Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. They’re the shoes he was wearing on the night he hit his 600th home run.
Of course, a milestone like that has its perks.
According to the Yankees, Rodriguez also received three gifts yesterday.
• Hublot Swiss-made watch in recognition of hitting his 600th home run
• Steuben Glass custom engraved piece in recognition of hitting his 600th home run
• Steuben Glass custom engraved piece in recognition of his reaching 600 career home runs and 300 stolen bases
Clutch-Rod is the man.
The Yankees should have Hublot watch day at the stadium.
without that DL stint he may have 130 rbi
Fran – sorry about your loss.
So sorry for your loss Fran.
blake September 23rd, 2010 at 11:51 am
Although I think Hughes starts game 3…not AJ
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I’d love to see it, but AJ has pitched well enough recently (not great…but better) that I think Girardi gives him the ball. I’m not even 100% sure that he doesn’t go in game 2 because Girardi may want to split the lefties up. If he does that, though, I’ll be convinced about the 4 man rotation. Because there will be no way that he’s giving AJ the ball in a deciding game 5.
Fran, I am sorry to hear of your grandmother’s passing.
May she rest in peace, and may you be well, my friend.
CC,
Yea I would hope Pettite pitches game 2 just for that fact…if they need CC on short for Game 4 then you’d have Pettite still for 5.
Maybe you’re right about AJ but if they are truly going with their best regardless of salary etc….then Hughes should pitch game 3. He’s a better pitcher than AJ and much more likely to give them a chance to win the game.
Some athletes need to open museums because where else do you put all this “stuff”.
Joe, Blake, Chuck
Thanks guys.
Did you hear Kay talking last night about the kid who retrieved Arod’s 600th HR ball? The security company gave him a $10,000 check.
Kay jinxed the Yankees by talking about how terrible the Rays were on his radio show yesterday….I don’t mind the guy be he has incredibly little filter…he just says whatever…
Burnett will be on a very short leash in the postseason. If he’s selected as the No. 2 behind C.C., Girardi will not be able to use the patience he did in the regular season. The bullpen will get heated up in short order if he starts to implode.
Fortunately the day after is a travel day so the bullpen gets a break.
What happened in the broad cast booth during the rain delay that Flaherty got upset was talked about on air?
I just can’t imagine them throwing AJ in game 2..
‘Grats to Alex.
I love how someone said last night, “I’m okay with this loss because I wasn’t counting on an AJ ‘win’ anyway.”. Jeez.
If we start on the road I could see CC/Andy on the road, AJ/Hughes at home, CC game 5. I think Girardi is really hoping we win in less than 5 and CC can start game 1 of next series.
If we start at home, I could see CC/AJ at home Andy/Hughes on the road, CC for game 5.
Although AJ is lined up 5th right now. They’re either going to reshuffle or it could be that AJ is lined up to pitch 4th in the postseason.
Erica
Bob Lorenz and Jack Curry told everyone how Flaherty pigs out on chocolate when he is in the studio with Lorenz and he was kidding about what happens in the clubhouse is supposed to stay there and he felt sold out by teammates.
I’m so glad A-Rod received a watch. It’s not like he can afford one on his own, so this is just tremendous.
Steuben glass is quite expensive. I bought a beautiful Steuben heart for my ex for one of our anniversaries and the stupid ass somehow managed to chip it. So its resale value dropped to zero.
But I doubt Hughes slots in front of AJ.
Going to have to do a little hit and run again on this Tex thing.
SJ,
You said the same thing about Jeter all season until, 2 weeks ago it was now ok to move him down in the lineup.
So, the question becomes, at what point do the benefits of rearranging the lineup outweigh the negatives of the off-field distraction stuff. For you, in regard to Jeter, that was 2 weeks ago. Personally, I never agreed with that because I put a much different emphasis on postseason games than regular season games.
For me, the breaking point is when you only have a few weeks to win as many games as possible and you have a player batting 3rd who is in a prolonged slump, and is known to stay in these slumps for an extended period. When it is win or go home, I want to maximize my chances of win as much as possible. I think having a below replacement level player batting 3rd outweighs the off-field stuff.
Of course this is contingent on 2 things. Tex continuing to look lost at the plate and the situation being handled appropriately. Meaning not embarrassing him or not telling him like Torre did. I believe using Tex’s injuries is a good way to gloss over the situation and approach both Tex and the team in this manner. If he starts to look better over the next 2 weeks, that is fantastic and this is a non-issue.
This is of course just my opinion, and reasonable minds can differ, but the party line of distractions and messing with heads at some point does not work anymore, especially when you are fighting your way towards a WS.
Girardi would never do it, but that does not mean it is the correct move or gives this team the best chance to win the WS.
m September 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
But I doubt Hughes slots in front of AJ.
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Correct. He’ll pitch game 2 or 3.
HI ROTATION IS WHAT IS IS, IMO….. Would not be the least bit surprised to see C.C. start before game 5 if Yanks gall behind in games
This kind of fits in with Arod not being able to afford a watch, the things the rich do for the poor, etc. I watch Housewives of New Jersey (mainly because it has the fascination of a car wreck, or at least it did until Danielle decided to leave the show.) But one of the whacked out side lights, “Kim G” is an extremely wealthy woman. Well one day she tweeted that she and her daughter were going to Payless to buy shoes and bookbags to distribute to needy school children. And all I could think was first of all, you don’t need to be announcing your supposed largesse. Secondly, why not go to some upscale shoe store and buy them stuff from there? Shouldn’t they be able to know what’s it like to have what you have, biotch? Anyone who watches the show will totally understand. She is a disgusting phony.
Yes, I watch Housewives, and I also watch Housewives of NY.
And along the lines of maximizing you chance of winning, making a pitching plan for the ALDS contingent on how the series is going would be very shortsighted.
Before the series, Girardi has to figure out to maximize his chance of winning that series and stick to it.
You don’t start messing around with a guy who has been one of the worst SP in baseball this season, because you have a 1 game cushion.
You end the series as quick as possible and you approach every game trying to maximize your chance of winning. In the postseason, you can’t plan for tomorrow.
You start doing that and you have a decent chance of asking yourself a lot of what if questions over the winter.
You also lose CC for game 1 of the ALCS if you have to pitch him in game 5.
“….I don’t mind the guy be he has incredibly little filter…he just says whatever…”
Yeah, and one of the whatever he continues to say is perfect game, despite the fact that the inning after he says it the perfect game is lost. Every time. Not only does he have incredibly little filter, he has incredibly little sense.
m
I was one of the people that was, not really okay with the loss, but not surprised by it. I don’t remember a game that the Yankees scored anything for AJ. Sometimes because he puts them in such a big hole but even when he does well, they still don’t score many runs for him. It wouldve been good for them to win the game cause it would take some pressure off the game tonight but it wasn’t in the cards.
pat September 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Erica
Bob Lorenz and Jack Curry told everyone how Flaherty pigs out on chocolate when he is in the studio with Lorenz and he was kidding about what happens in the clubhouse is supposed to stay there and he felt sold out by teammates.
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Ah.. thanks
Flaherty has such a dry sense of humor (to put it kindly) I had no idea how serious he was
Payless was probably product placement. And prolly appropriate than manolos or jimmies.
I watched a one episode. The one were the nutjob flipped the tables.
Anyway one of them is one the cover of a magazine with her sob story of bankruptcy and her 10K a month shopping habit. Not a fan of the matriarch. But I like Jackie. She was the one who faced off the fakes when they were lying about Danielles book.
Did I mention I only watched one episode?
I don’t think this was posted at the time- pictures of the team in the clubhouse presenting Alex with the painting they had done for his 600th.
Cano and Mo look pretty pleased with themselves pulling off the surprise.
http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com.....f=obinsite
PS- With all there is to look at in the team photo, one of the first thing I noticed was Thames’ ankle is wrapped. I have injuries on the brain.
ty,
It was you!
Have faith. It’s baseball. You never know what’s going to happen. Like rain.
LGY September 23rd, 2010 at 12:51 pm
You also lose CC for game 1 of the ALCS if you have to pitch him in game 5.
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Disagree. There is no Game 1 of the ALCS if you “save” someone from pitching an ALDS Game 5.
Agreed YankeeBlue222
Which is exactly why you pitch him in game 4 and not save him for game 5.
CC game 4 Andy game 5 no matter what the series is at
Ok that’s a post meant to test your reading comprehension, the typos were intentional.
Disagree. There is no Game 1 of the ALCS if you “save” someone from pitching an ALDS Game 5.
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Disagree, CC would pitch his 2nd game before Game 5. You’re not saving him, you’re using him to maximize his chances to pitch for the yankees.
“And prolly appropriate than manolos or jimmies.”
Okay I did think of that too and thought immediately of manolos. But how about Nine West! It just sounded so cheesy to hear her say she went to Payless. But then, that’s who she is. Hideous.
I am with you on Jackie.
I never missed an episode and the “reunion” shows were the best. In one of them, Teresa (the table flipper) threw something at Danielle. Seriously, I had to keep reminding myself that these were real-life happenings because those women are truth stranger than fiction. Yeow!
And then there’s Countess Louann (you can call me Countess) in the NY show. I guess that’s how the other half lives – well maybe the other 1/8th because I sure don’t know anybody with that kind of life$tyle!
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Steuben glass is quite expensive. I bought a beautiful Steuben heart for my ex for one of our anniversaries and the stupid ass somehow managed to chip it. So its resale value dropped to zero.
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So your ex ended up with a broken heart?
Im not arguing 3 starters vs 4. Going on info that was disseminated yesterday.
Forget the fancy “glass” and the Swiss made watches.
Wait till he hits #661. That day he becomes Steve Austin.
He’s at 608.
Next is Sosa at 609. After that comes Junior at 630.
Then it’s the big boys and those big checks.
Pat,
Thanks for posting those pictures.
Jimmy, Manolo and Nine West don’t make boys shoes. Payless= one stop shopping.
Finding fault with anyone doing something “charitable” no matter their method for doing it is silly, isn’t it?
“So your ex ended up with a broken heart?”
Probably just short term. I left him with the same thing I said to any other significant others who were shown the door: someday you’ll thank me for this.
I’m not sure whether I meant it at the time or was just trying to think of something to say, but in retrospect I believe I was right and to a man they would probably be agreeing!
That notwithstanding, I’ve always had commitment issues (no, I don’t mean I should have been committed but fought it. I say never leave the opportunity for a joke at your expense.)
pat -
Love those pictures. Thanks for linking.
Robbie Cano is ripped. No wonder he hits rockets opposite field. Dude is stacked.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
“So your ex ended up with a broken heart?”
Probably just short term. I left him with the same thing I said to any other significant others who were shown the door: someday you’ll thank me for this.
I’m not sure whether I meant it at the time or was just trying to think of something to say, but in retrospect I believe I was right and to a man they would probably be agreeing!
That notwithstanding, I’ve always had commitment issues (no, I don’t mean I should have been committed but fought it. I say never leave the opportunity for a joke at your expense.)
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Much to like about brunette Yankee lovers with big eyes. Hope you and your critter family are doing well.
Kay is getting worse and worse. He errs on the count regularly and even screws up the lineup (who’s batting, on base, etc). With time on his hands to ramble — as was the case last night — he’s absolutely brutal.
Flaherty is a tool as well. It’s confounding that the richest network in baseball can’t or won’t hire top-flight announcers. I like Ken Singleton, but a serious upgrade is in order.
I’m pretty sure her twitter specified girl shopping.
In any event, I still see it as cheesy to have the kind of money she has and shop at Payless for the “unfortunate” when she wouldn’t shop there for herself or “her own”. I’m an equal opportunity employer. But that’s just me. There’s room for many ways to look at it.
Have a nice day all. Off to enjoy the sunshine.
“Much to like about brunette Yankee lovers with big eyes. Hope you and your critter family are doing well.”
You are really a sweet guy GB. This morning I threw out some bread and wanted to take pictures of the two kookies (squirrels) because they were just so cute. Sitting up, holding the bread in their little hands – yeah I think of them as little people I guess – and looking up at me.
Look forward to tonight’s game. Catch you then.
Not to mention Payless is something the kids’ families couldn’t afford or they wouldn’t need the charity. Barefoot or Payless. Easy choice.
Bautista hits #50.
Much discussion about post season rotation, bullpen. I think even more interesting is whether or not Joe continues with the Kearns/ Gardner/ Grandy platoon vs LHP. Texas has Lee and CJ Wilson. Minny has Liriano who will pitch 2 games (if it gets that far). Is Joe going to forgoe the speed & D of G &G for Kearns RHB?
Rich
I caught your response. My bad for taking your comment out of context. I agree. Gaudin and Moseley are slop throwers that dont belong in the postseason. One long-man – Vazquez – ought to be enough in the postseason. Mitre could be mildly effective, but hasnt worked enough to even be considered for the PS.
m
I’m probably the worst person to be a baseball fan because I am such a pessimist and I also have anxiety so I naturally expect the worst. The best thing about always expecting the worst is being proven wrong
“I like Ken Singleton, but a serious upgrade is in order.”
Singleton is the best of the group. He and Cone were the best last year. But, no more Coney.
Happy 25th birthday to Joba!
“Gaudin and Moseley are slop throwers that dont belong in the postseason. One long-man – Vazquez – ought to be enough in the postseason. Mitre could be mildly effective, but hasnt worked enough to even be considered for the PS.”
Got to agree. Javy has been much better than the other 3 out of the pen.
Tex’s D is spectacular, but it really does not make up for his lack of offense; there is a big black hole in the middle of our lineup and it’s been that way for a month (and it was that way for 2 months at the beginning of the season).
Phil and Price is an unfair comparison because Price has ridiculous stuff. Phil seems to have settled in at a nice 92 or 93 – not the 94 or 95 he was throwing earlier in the year based probably on adrenaline. I still can’t figure out how hard he threw in the minors as there are an inordinate # of conflicting reports. His command was spectacular for most of the year – he went through a stretch of walking 20 in 20 starts – but it has abandoned him. If it’s fatigue, then we just have to hope that in the playoffs he has one of his good games. I would also pitch him in game 3, but only because if you pitch AJ and the Yankees get swept, the better pitcher would have been left on the bench. Normally Andy would pitch game 3, but if we did that, then that makes CC’s game against Lee or Liriano an absolute must.
I’m disappointed Ring didn’t pitch before last night; seems to me there were wasted opportunities to use him, to see if he could be a player in the post-season.
Fran, sorry about your grandmother.
Jim Kaat was the best, most informative announcer the Yankees had, now he’s gone, and they don’t want him back.
It’s wearing thin, all the banter going on, and can’t even get the balls and strike counts right. These guys act as if they’re being paid to be comics, not baseball announcers.
I’d love to see Kaat, Cone and Singleton as the full time play-by-play guys, and get rid of the rest.
O’Neil was a good ball player, but he stinks at a color guy.
My friend who is a rays fan said that his mlb.tv would only show the game on YES. He couldn’t stop complaining about how annoying they were last night. I told him its pretty much like that all the time. I do like the interesting stats that they bring up but most of the other stuff is boring and pointless. I’d still take them over the Rays announcers and John Sterling anyday.
I used to be a Kay fan, preferred his radio show to francesca (who makes a point and repeats it 264 times) but Kay has overwhelmed the telecasts. He has turned it into his show, with no dead air allowed, and the baseball action is secondary.
That may be ok in a blowout, but it’s incredibly annoying when two-strike counts turn into hits and walks, tag plays are not made at first, and none of it is commented on. Flaherty is incredibly monotone but has a catcher’s eye for the action, but he is too hesitant to criticize enough.
Kay’s eyesight rivals Sterling’s now, he seems unable to judge fly balls and misses foul tips (though I realize his viewing angle is different).
I do like O’neill but he has been too caught up in the banter. Keith, ROn and company on the Mets telecasts are so much more into the game, on a pitch by pitch basis.
Sterling is beyond hysterical now. Since the digital telecast trails the radio by a few seconds you can listen to his call and watch what really happens seconds later.
They have become as interesting as my posts!
Betsy, thanks.
http://www.yankeeist.com/2010/.....antly.html
The numbers between Joba and Phil are not that far off -especially ERA+ (not looking at the FIPs, because I don’t know what they mean), so although I have no idea how WAR is calculated or what it really means, it does seem strange that the Yankees seem to have completely given up on Joba as a starter.
When you watch the Yankees on DIRECTV and they play the O’s in Baltimore, you can only get them on MASN here in NC. Their announcers, Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer are great. They are not homers, they compliment the Yankess all the time, and do an outstanding job at calling the game.
I wish I could send a DVD of one of their games to Kaye, but, he’s so obnoxious, he’d not watch it, or comprehend the quality of what he’s seeing and listening to.
“He has turned it into his show, with no dead air allowed, and the baseball action is secondary”
AGREED!
It’s the Michael Kay Show on YES, starring, costarring, and guest starring Michael Kay. With a special guest appearance by the [insert Yankees' opposition here].
With the Yankees and baseball being nonexistent.
Ok, question:
Is there a difference between a frontline starter and an ace? Is a frontline starter anyone who’s a #1 or #2 or is it just a #1? I’ve always wondered about that…….
Thanks!
Listening to O’Neil is like Facebook, all he talks about is himself, how much he eats, where his wife went shopping etc., very little intelligent baseball conversation, IMO, a total waste.
An ace is a frontline starter with at least 20 victories.
Betsy -
You normally consider a #1 & #2 SP as front line, #3 as middle of the rotation, and #4 & #5 as backend SP.
An ACE is that special #1 that can simply dominate the other team, game in and game out.
CC, Halliday, King Felix, Lee to name a few.
Wave, are you being sarcastic? If not, then CC was not an ace last year?
Thanks Al – that makes sense.
An ace does not need to have 20 wins. He just needs to be a very dominate #1.
Big Al
that is a very apt description of O’Neill!! Tino too, the last time I heard him it was all about his daughter going to college and his son playing LAX
Pat
thanks for the link…do you think that picture replaces the centaur picture over Alex’s bed?
Big AL –
True about O’Neill, except when he used to, or occasionally still does, provide insight, it is usually good, just filtered with a “I played with some of these guys and don’t want to be too critical” temperament.
Maybe when the Orioles are competing more next year we will get to hear Palmer and co on MLB, the way we get to hear the NESN boys now. Hate to say it, but I think they are decent.
I see that I now have to disavow myself of my previous notions, lol.
Is it generally accepted that you need to prove it for a few years before being called an ace? In my mind, I can’t see calling someone an ace after a few starts or even after a year, but I know people disagree.
This is the first season CC has won 20, and if I’m correct, there were no 20 game winners last season.
No Betsy, I wasn’t being sarcastic.
If a pilot becomes an ace after shooting down 20 enemy airplanes, why shouldn’t a frontline starter become an ace after notching his 20th victory?
Disabuse, excuse me.
Well, how dominant do you have to be to be an ace? I know there is no real definition of the word – in many ways, I suppose it’s subjective. It’s not like you can look in a dictionary and it will tell you what stats the pitcher is supposed to have in order to qualify.
the issue we will have in regards to setting up the rotation for the playoffs is that I think you have to pitch AJ @ home and Hughes on the road.
So if we win the division @ have the homefield then I think the rotation ha to be CC(1) & AJ(2) at home then Pettite(3) & Hughes(4) on the road.
Hughes’ splits scream avoiding him @ home and AJ I think may need the extra adreneline of the home crowd behind him to give that extra kick he’s going to need.
yanksfansince67 September 23rd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
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I look forward to hearing the MASN team, such a relief from Kaye.
Manfred von Richthofen, Ace of Aces?
Wave, because a lot of it is luck (like run support)? Because 1 year wouldn’t make you an ace? I imagine there have been pitchers who’ve won 20 games who may have been good that one year, but who generally were rather ordinary. I didn’t even know pilots became “aces” after shooting down a certain amount of plans………….I didn’t even know there were ace pilots, period, lol.
But if the Yanks get Minnesota they need to have the two lefties pitch the first two games.
I don’t want AJ pitching game 2 under any circumstances; I think it has to be Andy based on the fact that if it’s not, CC ‘s game 1 is an absolutely must win.
There have been lengthy arguments trying to define ace vs. number one starter. It’s subjective without, to my understanding, a statistical basis. IMO, a front-line starter is a good one or two, maybe even 3 (think Pettitte) vs. the one guy you would have on the mound in an important game, an ace.
Wave Your Hat September 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
No Betsy, I wasn’t being sarcastic.
If a pilot becomes an ace after shooting down 20 enemy airplanes, why shouldn’t a frontline starter become an ace after notching his 20th victory?
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A fighter jockey becomes an ace after 5 shootdowns….not 20.
Wave your hat -
Then by your standards there were no ace pitchers last year, you do not consider CC, prior to this season, an ace, Roy Halliday, Lee, King Felix, Price and a whole host of others not ace pitchers. You are so wrong, I have no idea where you came up with an ace needing 20 wins, just not so.
You only split up lefties and righties with similiar type pitchers. Don’t don’t intentionally pitch a guy with a 5 ERA to split up your 2 and 3 ERA pitchers. Thats dumb.
Red Baron would have garnered a lot of support on the free agent market, but alas – he never made it.
“A fighter jockey becomes an ace after 5 shootdowns….not 20.”
Sigh…you mean there’s grade inflation in the military too?
I just assumed that a frontline starter was a #1 only……………and I guess if we define an ace as being truly dominant, then there are only a very few pitchers who we can say project as being such.
Betsy,
Was that article comparing their season or career stats?
Starter #s or overall #s?
Then that begs the question: what is a stud? anyone who is a 1-3 type pitcher?
Frontline means 1 or 2, right?
Big Al-
Who said anything about winning 20 in one year?
And GB7 says it only takes five anyway.
M, Joba’s 2009 to Phil’s 2010 – I believe as starters. They’re close, closer than I would have thought.
Hate the term stud. But it’s basically an ace.
I have to go back to my office, unfortunately, but thanks for the responses so far!
M,I don’t use “stud” either, but it gets thrown around the blogosphere a lot.
I don’t think we want to speculate on what makes a frontline pitcher a stud. I’d stick with ace.
you could argue, playing it straight, that a stud on a staff is an inning eater that performs well.
You could also further cloud the picture by making the terms team specific, the Ace of the staff on a bad team might only be a front-line starter.
Sorry, I’ll go away now.
Betsy,
Yeah. That makes sense.
The numbers may be similar, but the overall performances were not. Phil may be on limits, but he has been more economical with his bullets. I bet Phil’s WHIP us better. Even though he’s walked more than a few lately.
17 wins, baby!
SJ44 September 23rd, 2010 at 10:35 am
61 AB’s is still a small sample size.
It’s using statistics incorrectly. Which 99% of baseball fans do when quoting them.
There is no “magic formula” or certainty when it comes to post-season performance.
There are too many variables. Injuries, pitching, weather, ballparks, how the player is playing going into the post-season, etc to glean anything off what a player did last year.
Post-season play is completely random.
Even the guys who are considered “clutch” in the post-season have blemishes on their record.
Predicting which players or teams will have post-season success each year is as random as flipping a coin.
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Actually, the more postseason AB?s you get the closer you get to your normalized rate. While you could argue that the pitching is a little better and the hitting is a little bit better, guys like Pettitte and Jeter and even ARod have similar postseason numbers as regular season numbers because they have played a lot of games to make it more statistically valid.
The real point is that all players go through good and bad stretches of 50 AB?s and they can come at any time and sometimes it happens during the postseason. As much as people make it out to be so much more, the postseason is not different than the regular season?all these guys have played under pressure and if there is a such thing as clutch ability, it is so insignificant as to not matter. and BTW, I argued on this same board and my blog about ARod being fine in clutch spots BEFORE last year?you can either believe the truth or the myth that most believe
Betsy September 23rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I just assumed that a frontline starter was a #1 only……………and I guess if we define an ace as being truly dominant, then there are only a very few pitchers who we can say project as being such
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Which of Maddux, Smoltz or Glavine wasn’t an ace? Pick the ace out of the early 70s rotation when they had 3 and 4 win 20 games in the same season.
I think the term stud is used after a particularly dominant performance where the pitcher pitched many innings.
“He’s such a stud!” after a compete game or something. Otherwise, ace will do.
I believe last year the Yankees clinched a trip to the playoffs by beating the Red Sox as well. Nice that it will be happening two years in a row. Take that Sux Nation
Joba’s and Phil’s numbers make look similar but if you watch them pitch, you know they’re very different – the numbers were accumulated in different ways. m is correct; Phil’s been a lot more economical and has also been more consistent start to start – quick start notwithstanding.
An ace is a starter who can win 18+ games on a consistent basis whether he throws like Clemens, Halladay or Glavine.
Personally, I had always held out hope to be described as a stud. There is always hope.
Trisha, a forensics question. Did the Steuben chip match the knot on the ex’s head?
so eople still saying felix will win cy young?
It seems ridiculous, no matter how bad his team is that a cy young can go to a pitcher with a losing record, no matter how good he is.
His whole season has been low leverage situations since they were basically out after April.
No way he deserves this award over CC, Price and maybe Lester.
ac1 -
I agree that the Cy Young should go to CC, Price, Lester. But, is it necessarily fair that Felix Hernandez gets penalized because his offense stinks?
Lester cy young? no.
Solo HRs can hurt you.
Felix Hernandez pitched a 2 hit complete game and lost 1-0 today.
If tonight’s performance is anything like the last match up, the Cy Young has to go to CC or Price…and I think it should be CC. He has held the pitching staff together w/ Andy’s injury, Phil’s innings limit and the inconsistency of AJ & Javy.
Bautista and Ichiro both reaching milestones in that Jays-M’s game.
“Felix Hernandez pitched a 2 hit complete game”
What a stud!
M
you were just looking for the opportunity to say that
I’d love to see him go with the A lineup tonight, regardless of the lefty being on the mound.
And lost.
What more can a guy do?
Should a guy who can pitch like that get penalized at CY time?
It’s a tough question. If I were voting, I’d be doing a lot of research.
# Doreen September 23rd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
And lost.
What more can a guy do?
Should a guy who can pitch like that get penalized at CY time?
It’s a tough question. If I were voting, I’d be doing a lot of research.
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What pressure is he under to perform? None. Its amazing what players can do when there is nothing on the line. If he were doing this while his team even contended for half the season then I might concede that he deserves a look.
Tubberius Monstrous toes the rubber tonight ! For the win baby, for the win!
Dave Stieb 1985: 14-13 with a 2.48 ERA.
He finished 7th in the CY voting.
kate,
haha.
Doreen,
If you want to look into it more and kind of delve into what the writers might be looking at check out Neyer’s Cy Young Predictor.
Wins count for a lot. Lower ER and higher K’s help. Innings are also a factor. And guess what? Leading your division helps (a little), too. As it should.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung
What pressure is he under to perform?
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None. His team has been in the dumper all season. But that’s not his fault. He warrants CY Young considerations. It’s amazing that how poorly Chone Figgins and others performed under those situations as well
The king needs to be recognized!
If you put Felix on the Yankees , Is it possible he would have won 20 games already? The answer is very possible.
But if I was to award the Cy Young to the most valuable pitcher in the league , consider the Rays and Yankees are in a dead heat for in a pennant race and both CC and Price are integral part and contributed greatly to that process. I would give the nod to those two.
The problem is , I don’t know what CY Young award quite stands for.
I don’t see anyway that AJ gets a start in the P.S. before Hughes, sorry can’t see it. I’d go with Nova before AJ at this point, seriously.
Mike – I will bet you anything that Burnett gets a start before Hughes. Nova may be on the post-season roster, but he won’t get a start. Barring injury, not a chance.