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Regulars stay in the lineup in Toronto

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Lance Berkman DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Brett Gardner LF

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283 Responses to “Regulars stay in the lineup in Toronto”

  1. upstate kate September 28th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    YAY, the A line up!!!

  2. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    If they have any smarts, they will throw CC a few innings in Boston.

    Peter Gammons was just on with Francesca and he sounded very disappointed that so many people are down on Sabathia (and mentioned Baseball Prospectus, which just mentioned that CC isn’t even one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball). They were both very down on the cold, calculating method of evaluating pitchers (well, they specifically mentioned pitchers) of sabermetricians, who seem to think that there are no such things as pressure games. Gammons said if first, but Mike agreed- there is a difference between Felix doing his thing with zero pressure and CC having the weight of the world on his shoulders in NY. Personally, I don’t care if CC gets the award or not – I think he probably has been the MVP of the Yankees because AJ and Javy crapped out and Andy was hurt. That said, this lineup has not been good – most are having bad years and if it weren’t for Cano, no I don’t think we’d be in the playoff hunt.

  3. Quiggy September 28th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Sabathia still starting, I presume?

  4. pat September 28th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Someone said Drabek throws mid to high 90′s with a good change up so fingers crossed he hangs them and they bang them.

  5. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    I have little confidence in this team. Drabek is young and talented with apparently a good change-up. The offense was pathetic beyond belief last night for the first few innings – what was it, 8 consecutive Ks?. I almost feel fortunate that we won that game on Sunday and wonder when the next win will come.

  6. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    I LOVE this line up :grin:

  7. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    However, for those concerned about the Phillies (as I’ve read), that makes no sense at this point. If the Yankees get through to the WS, it means they’ve straightened out their problems and would be a different team then than they are now.

  8. The Other Phil September 28th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Swish and JoPo need to come up big.

    Fighting for 1st place in my fantasy league and they’re in my lineup! :)

  9. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    “Gammons said if first, but Mike agreed- there is a difference between Felix doing his thing with zero pressure and CC having the weight of the world on his shoulders in NY.”

    I’ve heard this argument, but think it is based on false assumptions so I can’t agree with the conclusion, either.

    Lots of people say Felix Hernandez pitches with “no pressure”. But that isn’t true. The devil is in the definition of the term “pressure”.

    Seattle doesn’t score runs for Hernandez. The burden in each game is all on Hernandez to give up a run or less. And sometimes even when he gives up only one run he loses anyway.

    Ballplayers want to win. And when you can lose the game on each and every pitch you throw, that’s pressure.

    CC faces different pressure. He has a team who will score runs for him, so he doesn’t face the pressure of knowing each and every pitch could lose the game. Instead, he faces the pressure of having to come away with a “W” on a big market contending team.

    Both face their own kind of pressure.

    Which pressure is worse? I don’t think you can say.

  10. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes September 28th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    With the way this team is playing lately, I find it HIGHLY presumptuous to make any announcements about postseason ticket sales.

    I’d say about 80% of this team looks asleep at the wheel and while I’m not calling for anyone’s head, I sincerely hope that Girardi is constructively yelling at everyone of them. I’d actually love to see him get ejected from tonight’s game in an effort to create a little fire in the dugout.

    I’m personally glad that Big CC is on the bump though. Maybe he’ll come to the rescue.

  11. blake September 28th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Wave,

    I don’t think its a false argument…the fact that if you take the #1 starter off any team then it would go in the tank only supports my statement that CC has been the most valuable Yankee this season….that said, Cano should win the overall MVP because CC just isn’t going to win that.

  12. Niblick September 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Chad, I can’t believe you wrote that AJ “actually seemed to show the Yankees quite a bit last October.” Like 3 good starts; 2 stinkers. 3 times where Good AJ showed up; 2 times where Bad AJ showed up. An overall ERA of 5.27 with a 1-1 record in 5 starts. 16 BB and 5 HBP in 27 innings.

    Yep, he sure showed the Yankees quite a bit – like the same old inconsistency he has shown throughout his career. Too bad he no longer seems to be able to even rise to the level of inconsistency. Now he’s consistent – consistently bad.

    Chad, you’re supposed to be a reporter. Tell us what you think he actually showed last October.

  13. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    I don’t know who Gammons thinks should win now, but the overall point was that CC is getting disrespected (forget in terms of Cy Young, but in terms of how good he is) by these sabermetricians. I agree, but then I don’t like sabremetrics anyway

  14. CR9 September 28th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Please let our offense come out on fire and clinch tonight.

    I really dont want it to come down to tomorrow, otherwise my stomach will be in knots, and Ive got an important day tomorrow!

    LGY!

  15. 108 stitches September 28th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    I suspect the Yankees were somewhat tired from a late Sunday extra inning game with Boston then flying on to Toronto with little rest. That might explain some of the quiet bats but no possible excuse for Burnett whatsoever.
    He flew ahead from the rest of the team and not around for pie throwing after the walkoff win. Regardless of rest, he was an odds on favorite to stink it up last night.

  16. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    KenDavidoff Mariano Rivera just finished an early pitching session with Dave Eiland in the Rogers Centre outfield. #Yankees

    YankeesWFAN 21 of Yanks last 25 runs have come via home run.

  17. Captain Clutch September 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Let’s get a W tonight or I will even take the W.Sox showing a pulse and then they can finally give some of the big guys in the lineup a rest tomorrow. Go CC!!!

  18. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Wave,

    The Yankees lead the league in runs this year.

    Cano has been great, but it is not like he is carrying an abysmal offense to success. While, Cano has been their only elite hitter this season, 1-9 even without him they are still better than just about any other team in baseball.

    Without Cano they wouldn’t lead the league in runs, but where do you think they would be?

    The pitching staff on the other hand has largely been carried by CC. The dropoff in the second half of the season between CC and the rest of the rotation has been drastic.

  19. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Betsy-

    CC is not being disrespected by sabremetricians. Where did you get that idea?

  20. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    “LGY!”

    ———————

    Why are you yelling my name CR9???

  21. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Ouch, I hate that stat about the HR…they are way too HR-dependent. Good luck with that in the post-season.

  22. CR9 September 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Um, yeah, you knew I was just saying Let’s Go Yankees, right? :)

  23. upstate kate September 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    I realize there were a lot of Ks last night, but the Yankees still scored 5 runs…had AJ not gotten them in so deep a hole, they could have won.

  24. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    LGY-

    I think if you took Cano off the team and replaced him with Pena or Nunez or somebody, and took CC off the team and replaced him with Nova, Gaudin, Mosely or whoever, losing Cano would cost the team more wins.

  25. CR9 September 28th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    And can someone explain how letters and words on a computer screen yell :P

    Capital words are meant for emphasis, like emphasis on syllables of a name/word.

    i.e.

    belTRE or belTRAN by that scummy scummerton Jon Miller :)

  26. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Wave, my posts says it all. This is per Gammons…………..Baseball Prospectus, for one, doesn’t even think CC is one of the top ten pitchers in baseball. Neyer doesn’t. I’m sure there are more.

  27. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    I don’t care HOW they score their runs. Right now, it’s thanks to the HR. That’s fine by me.

  28. raymagnetic September 28th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    “.Baseball Prospectus, for one, doesn’t even think CC is one of the top ten pitchers in baseball”

    I couldn’t care less about what Baseball Prospectus thinks about CC. But here is an excerpt from an article about the best pitchers this year. The article was written on August 25th.

    However, any of the nominees could have taken home the prize: against Gump were The Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction, and Quiz Show. All four of those films rank in my top 20, and choosing between them is a lot like deciding whether Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Adam Wainwright, Felix Hernandez, CC Sabathia, or Josh Johnson has had the best season. Some might seem more worthy than the rest, but there really isn’t a wrong answer.

    This leads me to believe that someone at BP does think CC is a pretty good pitcher.

    Source: http://ww.baseballprospectus.c.....leid=11838

  29. ericns1 September 28th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    they have never faced him so we all know what happens when they face unknowns

  30. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    CR9,

    Yes. I was kidding.

    Using an exclamation point signifies you are yelling.

  31. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    “Baseball Prospectus, for one, doesn’t even think CC is one of the top ten pitchers in baseball.”

    That list is for both the AL and the NL. Don’t look now, but there are some awfully good pitchers in the NL.

    If you take out the NL, the list basically has CC in a tight bunch with Lester, Price, Buchholtz and Verlander, all behind Hernandez. That seems perfectly defensible on an objective value basis.

    That certainly is not disrespecting CC.

  32. pat September 28th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “I don?t care HOW they score their runs. Right now, it?s thanks to the HR. That?s fine by me.”

    Absolutely.

    People are too picky about how guys cross the plate. That they do is what matters most.

  33. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Wave,

    That’s where we disagree.

    Which is why I think CC is the MVP and you think Cano ;)

  34. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    RiverAveBlues When Robinson Cano takes his next walk it will be his 56th of the season. That is as many as his last two seasons combined.

  35. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    It’s harder to hit HRs in the post-season against good pitchers.

    I don’t need to take out the NL to think that CC is one of the best pitchers in baseball – and to be counted as one of the best, I think you have to do it for more than one year.

  36. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    “It’s harder to hit HRs in the post-season against good pitchers.”

    ———————————–

    This is certainly the case.

    But, is it easier than stringing together multiple hits and/or walks against these same pitchers?

  37. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    LGY-

    I hit “submit” before I finished my comment. I wish LoHud had a “recall” feature.

    I wanted to add, that if the Yanks lost CC during the season, they would have gone out and traded for someone to take his place. It might not have been Cliff Lee (although had they lost CC, they might have added more to their offer), but it would have been someone decent.

    But if the Yanks lost Cano, they couldn’t have done something similar. The hitting talent at second just wouldn’t be available.

  38. tampayank September 28th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    as bad as the Yanks have looked, really no team is head and shoulders above anyone(Philly scares me)….Yanks have SP rotation issues but so do Texas and Tampa. It should be a fun/nerve racking October

  39. pat September 28th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    “It?s harder to hit HRs in the post-season against good pitchers.”

    Yanks seemed to do okay with that last year.

  40. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    2009 ALDS

    Game 1
    -4 runs from HR
    -1 run from 2B
    -2 runs from 1B

    Game 2
    -4 runs from HR

    Game 3
    -2 runs from HR
    -2 runs from 1B

  41. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    LGY, good point……..

  42. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Wave,

    Other than Lee who was really decent to get?

    Lilly?

  43. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    THanks, LGY -

    I was just going to look it up. :)

  44. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    LGY-

    I guess it depends on when the hypothetical injury to CC occurred.

  45. comet September 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Hello Erin:

    Great to have you back!

    Upstate Kate: As to Girardi, I think might have behooved him to make sure the Yankees had a nice cushion before going bonkers and resting and resting. Now we have guys like Cano who has had maybe two games off all season long who NEED a rest. Can’t do it because we are still desperately trying to clinch. How could JG not rest a regular like Cano all season long especially when his batting average dropped every month. He reads the stats doesn’t he?

    Comet

  46. blake September 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Wave,

    I don’t think you can make that assumption in this argument….you can’t assume they would just go trade for someone of equal value to Sabathia. If you think taking Cano off would cost them more wins than CC then that’s fine, but I don’t agree.

  47. Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    so if the yankees win tonight and the rays and twins both lose – do you still play your regulars to try and get the HFA or do you start resting your starters since they’ve now clinched?

  48. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    2009 ALCS

    Game 1
    -1 run sac fly
    -1 run 2B
    -2 runs 1B

    Game 2
    -2 runs HR
    -1 3B
    -1 on throwing error

    Game 3
    -4 runs HR

    Game 4
    -4 runs HR
    -1 run fielder’s choice
    -1 run throwing error
    -2 runs 2B
    -2 runs 1B

    Game 5
    -3 runs 2B
    -1 run 1B
    -2 runs 3B

    Game 6
    -2 runs 1B
    -1 run BB
    -1 run throwing error
    -1 run sac fly

  49. upstate kate September 28th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    can’t disagree w/ you there Comet

  50. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Mainly Girardi rested injured guys. He did not want to rest Swisher and Gardner but they turned up lame at a pretty inopportune time. And you can’t not rest ARod – his rest is planned out due to his hip, and not helped by the calf injury. He held off resting Tex as long as he could.

    It stinks for Cano, but he is young and remained healthy thank heavens.

  51. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    comet September 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    Hello Erin:

    Great to have you back!

    *************************
    Thanks Comet! :)

  52. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    “you can’t assume they would just go trade for someone of equal value to Sabathia”

    blake,

    I’m not assuming that at all. But I do think they could have gotten someone closer to CC’s value for CC than they could have for Cano. And even if they couldn’t, the Yank in-house replacements for CC are relatively better than the Yank in-house replacements for Cano, IMO.

  53. blake September 28th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Wave,
    Ok..how bout this. It would have been very bad if they had lost either one of them :)

  54. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    “I don’t need to take out the NL to think that CC is one of the best pitchers in baseball – and to be counted as one of the best, I think you have to do it for more than one year.”

    Well then don’t pick on Baseball Prospectus or sabremetrics because the Baseball Prospectus list, and any sabremetric list, will have CC as one of the best pitchers in baseball this year.

    And, the Baseball Prospectus list only modeled 2010 results, so attacking it for not including 2008 and 2009 is inappropriate.

  55. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    blake, I agree!

  56. UnKnown September 28th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    I hope CC still doesnt think that his next start is on Friday of this week. He might not be prepared to actually have his next start in 2 and a half hours if no one has informd him otherwise, Haha

  57. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    2009 WS

    Game 1
    -1 run fielder’s choice :(

    Game 2
    -2 runs HR
    -1 run 1B

    Game 3
    -4 runs HR
    -2 runs 2B
    -2 runs 1B (one coming off the bat of Mr. Pettitte)

    Game 4
    -1 run on groundout
    -1 run sac fly
    -1 run 2B
    -4 runs 1B

    Game 5
    -3 runs 2B
    -1 run groundout
    -1 run sac fly
    -1 run on GIDP

    Game Matsui
    -2 runs HR
    -2 runs 2B
    -3 runs 1B

  58. tyanksfan36 September 28th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    So I’ve been out all day and I don’t feel like reading the comments thread, but what’s everyones take on what David Price and Longoria had to say about their lack of attendance? Especially at last nights game. I’m sure everyone has heard about it already. I just haven’t had a chance to see what other people think. I obviously have my own take on it being from Tampa.

  59. stuart a September 28th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    sabathia has i think 25+ quality starts…..

    let’s see king felix pitch with pressure day in and day out, not as easy as it sounds…………..

    sabathia has been great end of story..

  60. Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    2009 WS

    Game 1
    -1 run fielder’s choice

    Game 2
    -2 runs HR
    -1 run 1B

    Game 3
    -4 runs HR
    -2 runs 2B
    -2 runs 1B (one coming off the bat of Mr. Pettitte)

    Game 4
    -1 run on groundout
    -1 run sac fly
    -1 run 2B
    -4 runs 1B

    Game 5
    -3 runs 2B
    -1 run groundout
    -1 run sac fly
    -1 run on GIDP (from Jeter ;-))

    Game Matsui
    -2 runs HR
    -2 runs 2B
    -3 runs 1B

  61. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    I was just going to ask if anyone can guess who had the GIDP!

    To Jete’s credit though, he was phenomenal last postseason. .995 OPS.

  62. D-Man September 28th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    “and to be counted as one of the best, I think you have to do it for more than one year.”

    Then what do you make of Greinke, who has only had one “CY Young” caliber year, so far in his career?

  63. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Game Matsui
    -2 runs HR
    -2 runs 2B
    -3 runs 1B

    ****************************
    I loved Game Matsui. :)

  64. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    LGY-

    If Game 6 was Game matsui, then Game 4 must be Game Johnny Damon :-)

  65. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Erin-

    I meant to tell you, my cousin found a 1970s Ernie and Bert needlepoint (completed & framed) at a Garage Sale over the weekend. I will take a pic later and send it to you. Its adorible.

    Also- I thought Better With You and Raising Hope were awesome. Wasn’t into Running Wilde, will probably scratch that one

  66. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Then he’s not an ace……….one great year does not an ace make, IMO.

  67. Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    I was just going to ask if anyone can guess who had the GIDP!

    To Jete’s credit though, he was phenomenal last postseason. .995 OPS.

    ******************

    I actually was making a joke – i had no idea who it was…was it Jeter? sadly i wouldn’t be surprised…

  68. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    so if the yankees win tonight and the rays and twins both lose ? do you still play your regulars to try and get the HFA or do you start resting your starters since they?ve now clinched?
    *****************

    Depends on how much pain they (truthfully) feel on a Scale from 1-10. Anyone at a 5 or higher gets rested

  69. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Erica,

    Once I got to Game Matsui, I regretted not adding more narrative along the way :(

  70. Yanks78 September 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Quietly, Lester is having a better year than CC. If he beats the White Sox on Thus, he will have 20 wins too.

  71. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    LOL Neyer said in his chat today that any player (re: the Jeter incident) who deceives an umpire should be suspended. Half the players in baseball would be suspended if that were the case…………..

  72. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Berkman / Thames will have to carry that torch this year for Matsui. Berkman is still familiarizing himself with AL pitching. I don’t think he has face MN pitching at all , unless it happened during inter-league plays.

  73. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    Erin-

    I meant to tell you, my cousin found a 1970s Ernie and Bert needlepoint (completed & framed) at a Garage Sale over the weekend. I will take a pic later and send it to you. Its adorible.

    Also- I thought Better With You and Raising Hope were awesome. Wasn?t into Running Wilde, will probably scratch that one

    ***************************************
    OMG, I can’t wait to see it! That’s so cool. :)

    I loved Better With You (even better than I thought it was going to be), and I did really like Running Wilde. I didn’t watch Raising Hope though.

  74. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Then he?s not an ace???.one great year does not an ace make, IMO.
    ***************

    I think some of Greinke’s “bad” numbers are the victim of being on a bad team. His 1.26 WHIP isn’t bad. And he has 175 K’s

    (Side note: When I searched for Greinke to see his stats I found it hilarious that my auto search turned up Zack Morris before Zack Greinke)

  75. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Erica,

    Once I got to Game Matsui, I regretted not adding more narrative along the way
    ************

    I do believe in second chances for such extreme emergencies

  76. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Erin-

    3 words for you…..
    Watch. Raising. Hope.

  77. Eroc September 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    “so if the yankees win tonight and the rays and twins both lose ? do you still play your regulars to try and get the HFA or do you start resting your starters since they?ve now clinched?”

    Play the regulars. They have a day off on Thurs and 2 days off before the postseason begins.

    Problem is, the pitching is the area that needs to be rested. Can’t overuse MO, Wood, etc. They obviously are not going to push any of the starters in Fenway either, they’ll pitch a few innings, if at all, and the long men will take over. They can’t screw around with the pitching, but the lineup should be out there, if they are healthy.

    So play the A lineup and see if they score enough runs to steal the division.

  78. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    CNTG,

    Yeah it was Jeter.

    That was the game Burnett put them in a 6-1 hole. The Yankees actually put up a fighting chance in the 9th down 3 runs.

    Jorge 2B, Matsui pinch hit for Hughes and 1B. So it was 1st and 3rd none out and Jetes GIDP.

    Looking at the box score now, I am trying to figure out why Matsui was not pinch run for. Does anybody remember why?

    Do I need to criticize Girardi for that now???

  79. Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Yanks78 September 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Quietly, Lester is having a better year than CC. If he beats the White Sox on Thus, he will have 20 wins too.

    ***************

    along the same thinking – if the yankees lose both today and tomorrow and the redsox win both games- do you push lester to friday and take your chances with wakefield on thursday – or do you pitch lester on thursday and hope for the best this weekend against the yankees…(and then pitch lester in monday’s elimination game on 3 days rest if it gets to that)

  80. clownthrowindown September 28th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    You just have to go by the stats to choose a Cy Young (and CC is surely worthy). That’s what the award is and all the other factors all even out.

    But CC (or any pitcher) shouldn’t get any extra credit for “carrying the team”. He pitches once every five days and goes out to win regardless of what happened the other four days. Its not nearly the same as a position player. Pressure being in NY, maybe. But how much less pressure is there when he knows his team is averaging 7 runs a game for him? He doesn’t need to knot up if he gives up a couple.

    CC for MVP is a better choice. No way Cano deserves it. Cano had a great year but his stats are comparable to Beltre not Hamilton or Cabrera.

  81. m September 28th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Neyer is a dope. He tries to reinvent the game. What he said is just stupid. We need to suspend the umps for trying to fool us when they make blatant mistakes then.

  82. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    He also doesn’t think CC is one of the best pitchers in the game, so yeah – he’s stupid, lo

  83. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    RiverAveBlues Realization: We are going to be so sick of @ConanOBrien before the ALDS is over.

    :lol:

  84. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
    Erin-

    3 words for you?..
    Watch. Raising. Hope.

    ******************************
    I will give it a shot. :)

  85. ac1 September 28th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    I think Lester should win Cy Young and CC should be the MVP.

  86. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    clownthrowindown September 28th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    CC for MVP is a better choice. No way Cano deserves it.

    ****************************

    :x

  87. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 28th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    “LOL Neyer said in his chat today that any player (re: the Jeter incident) who deceives an umpire should be suspended”

    And anyone who writes or says something that stupid should be fired and prohibited from ever watching a MLB game again.

  88. Bring in the Goose September 28th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    It’s a good thing for your health that you’re not a Pirates fan, Betsy.

    Because the 2010 Yankees aren’t good enough for you.

    Your negativity is such dead weight on this blog.

    Harder and harder to skip your posts. They’re every 10 minutes.

  89. Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    LGY September 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    CNTG,

    Yeah it was Jeter.

    That was the game Burnett put them in a 6-1 hole. The Yankees actually put up a fighting chance in the 9th down 3 runs.

    Jorge 2B, Matsui pinch hit for Hughes and 1B. So it was 1st and 3rd none out and Jetes GIDP.

    Looking at the box score now, I am trying to figure out why Matsui was not pinch run for. Does anybody remember why?

    Do I need to criticize Girardi for that now???

    ************************

    Girardi Speaking after that game: “We evaluated the situation and felt that matsui was running pretty good after having all that time off without having to DH in the NL park – we wanted pena available for the 17th inning to pinch ruin for jorgie who would have been very tired by then….we felt this was the best way to go and would do it again if the situation presented itself” he then nods his head in approval of what he just said and pretends to twist the cap off his water bottle while looking at no one in particular….

  90. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    http://www.myyesnetwork.com/12.....lind_faith

    Yes, Burnett is starting again and – grit your teeth – is expected to be in the postseason rotation. Said Girardi after Monday’s game: “A.J.’s gonna start for us. He’s got one more start coming, and we’ve got things to work out. We’ve got to get there first … I’m not going to speculate because we’re not in yet.”

    *********

    Sounds like AJ is going to be in the rotation and I still think he’ll be ahead of Phil

  91. ac1 September 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    “LOL Neyer said in his chat today that any player (re: the Jeter incident) who deceives an umpire should be suspended”
    ___

    this just shows that any idiot can present an idea.

    So when the ump makes a wrong call, he should be suspended too?

    Or maybe everytime the 2nd baseman/short stop does the neighborhood play on a DP?

    What a DOPE!

  92. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    “CC for MVP is a better choice. No way Cano deserves it. Cano had a great year but his stats are comparable to Beltre not Hamilton or Cabrera.”

    I think we were just talking MVP of the Yanks. Cano is not AL MVP, the first three weeks of September did him in there IMO.

    CC is not AL MVP. He’s in a tight race for Cy Young, but not MVP. Despite Hamilton’s injury, I think he’s the AL MVP, in a tight race with Bautista and Cabrera.

    CC could be the Cy Young winner. But you have to be a Yank fan to argue he’s the league MVP.

  93. tyanksfan36 September 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Erica

    I saw you were talking about Raising Hope. I watched the premiere last week and died laughing.

  94. Yanks78 September 28th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Cashmoney,

    Problem is that the Sox can’t lose any games – they have to win out. And they are facing Danks on Thurs… so you figure runs will be at a premium. Whereas they are facing Andy on Friday and will probably have more room for error. They have Dice-K, Buchholz, and Lackey scheduled to face us.

    The big mistake they made was not starting Buchholz on Sunday because that is the game that killed them because it was a 2-game swing. Though Dice-K pitched very well, it was a risk. Them losing on Sunday killed their chances.

    Since BOS has to win out anyway, they are better off just staying on schedule. I’d rather use Dice-K vs. the Yanks than Wakefield vs. the Chi Sox, if I were them.

  95. CR9 September 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Im not sure which show was worse, Raising Hope or the show after starring Felicity. The show after is a ripoff of Billy Madison, with a loser actor playing the Billy Madison role.

    I did laugh a bit at Raising Hope, but it was so stupid. Aside from animation, FOX doesn’t know how to do comedy!

  96. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    LGY -

    Would have been a lot of Game ARod’s, no?

    I think Matsui’s game really stands out, though. He seemed to do it all that night! Magical.

  97. m September 28th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I think aj starting is a foregone conclusion, but needs to be the 4th starter. Hughes is my dark horse to pitch 2nd. CC pitches the 4th game if it’s an elimination game.

  98. UnKnown September 28th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    tyanksfan36 – What is your take? And what is the deal down there? Is there just that much other entertainment that other people choice to do?

  99. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    ? Cashmoney?

  100. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Nevermind , I just realized you were responding to my ‘evil’ cousin , Cashman needs to go.

  101. ET September 28th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    “CC could be the Cy Young winner. But you have to be a Yank fan to argue he’s the league MVP.”

    I’m not even sure you can make a case that he could win the CY Young anymore, to be honest.

    Lester and Price are going to have better numbers than him. and be 1-2 wins behind him, at worst. Lester could tie him in wins.

    And of course, if you subscribe to Hernandez-theory, CC is behind him as well.

    That Tampa start killed him, IMO.

    I do agree with you that CY Young us more viable than MVP for CC though.

  102. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Girardi saying AJ will start, and him actually doing it are two different things. Nothing is set in stone.

  103. MTU September 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    My dream scenario:

    CC gets # 21

    The Yankees offense scores a boatload of runs.

    The Twinkies and the Rays lose bad.

    And I get to present my “clinch” tribute tomorrow.

    :)

  104. Cashman needs to go September 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    ? Cashmoney?

    ********

    I think he meant me…by the way is your name an ode to Dave Cash or Don Money (or both?;-))

  105. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    M, after I posted that I remembered that Lane was taking into account the ALCS whereas I was just thinking of the ALCS.

    I think it has to be Andy in game 2 because if they go to a 5th game, he could pitch. If Phil is game two, then he’d pitch the 5th game. The problem with that is that if we go down 0-2, then Phil pitches the must-win game.

    I would not even consider going to Phil on short rest if we advance. As Lane mentioned, I’m sure the Yankees did not want Phil to start in the playoffs given the workload he’s already shouldered and the possible effect on him next year. Thank you AJ and Thank you Javy.

  106. Yanks78 September 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    LOL sorry about that, Cashmoney

  107. blake September 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Wave,

    So you’re going to hold September against Cano but not Hamilton?…Hamilton has barely even played in September.

    I don’t think Cabrera or Bautista’s teams will allow them to win and I think voters will hold Hamilton’s missed games down the stretch against him..I think its Cano’s to lose right now.

  108. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Did anyone watch Mike & Molly (Molly & Mike?) last night? I was switching between it and the game (more it, since AJ made the game tough to watch), and I was laughing so hard I was crying.

    So far I like that show.

  109. ac1 September 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    CC is not AL MVP. He’s in a tight race for Cy Young, but not MVP. Despite Hamilton’s injury, I think he’s the AL MVP, in a tight race with Bautista and Cabrera.
    __

    Maybe Cabrera, but not Bautista. Average wise he isnt in it. That and all those stats did nothing to keep his team in the race.

    Cabrera is different because most of the year, he was only producer on that team.

    Hamilton has missed a month. Great numbers but not mvp.

  110. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    tyanksfan36 September 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    Erica

    I saw you were talking about Raising Hope. I watched the premiere last week and died laughing.
    **************

    Me too!!!!!!
    Definite keeper.

  111. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    Did anyone watch Mike & Molly (Molly & Mike?) last night? I was switching between it and the game (more it, since AJ made the game tough to watch), and I was laughing so hard I was crying.
    ***********

    No, I think I am going to check it out next week.

    I was hysterical during HIMYM though

    Okay… leaving work now!!! YAY!

  112. pat September 28th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Slade Heathcott: A grinder who will run through the wall for you but current comp is a Melky Cabrera type with a little more speed…..

    ScoutingtheSAL http://bit.ly/aNBxRp In case you missed it: Game report on #Yankees prospect Slade Heathcott with video. Enjoy and RT!

  113. MTU September 28th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Blake-

    Let me get this straight.

    You want Cano to win the MVP, GG, and Silver Slugger all in one season.

    Isn’t that a bit greedy ? :)

  114. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I do believe in second chances for such extreme emergencies

    ———————————–

    ALDS

    Game 1: A-Rod is TEH CLUTCH??? (2-4 2 RBIs)
    Game 2: So, that Burnett guy doesn’t suck (6 IP, 1 run)
    Game 3: Why the f*** is it taking so long to score off Pavano!!! (6 scoreless innings from American Idle)

  115. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I like Phil in a must win. He’s been their stopper this season. A role that Andy once was the master at. ;)

    I still trust Andy more than anyone else, though.

  116. Tabbert September 28th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    by nights end Three more teams will clinch playoff births. Braves, Giants, Padres, Rockies will have a week to battle it out for the last two playoff sports.

    For you people scared of the phillies, just remember that they might have H20 but i will take the giants pitching staff over the phillies any day of the week. Their pitching staff has gone over 20 straight games with giving up four runs or less. That is is just ridiculous. So, i wouldn’t crown the phillies just yet.

  117. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Ouch, what an awful scouting report on a prospect many are high on – Melky Cabrera type?

  118. BX33 September 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    “”So you’re going to hold September against Cano but not Hamilton?…Hamilton has barely even played in September.”

    I was thinking about that as well… but Hamilton has been out all this time and STILL has better numbers than Cano. So I’m not sure if you could hold off-time against him.

    It is a strange race this year for sure considering the candidates are from 2-teams who had huge leads for the playoffs and didn’t have to do much down the stretch (Hamilton, Cano) or Cabrera, from a non-contender. There isin’t a quintessential guy who had to carry his team down the stretch just to make it (Mauer in 09, A-Rod in 07, Morneau in 06, etc.) Pedroia ironically probably won the MVP in 08 because Quinten got hurt in September.

  119. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    ALCS

    Game 1: Game CC (8 IP, 1 run)
    Game 2: Melky is so clutch that he forces infielders to make game winning throwing errors.
    Game 3: Game Girardi “I liked the matchup” so I took out Robertson for Aceves after recording 2 quick outs.

  120. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Neither, Cashman needs to go . It was a homage to Cashman who spends a lot of Yankees dollars.

  121. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    And I doubt Javy and AJ affected Phil any, if at all. The bullpen takes a beating, but it didn’t affect Phil’s schedule except this week. If they really wanted to rest Phil they could have used Mosely. Not having Andy affected Phil more than the other two. I may have read you wrong, but I don’t get how you made that leap.

  122. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    blake-

    Yes, I think the voters will hold September against Cano, but not Hamilton.

    Even missing a month, Hamilton has the same offensive numbers as Bautista and Cabrera, who aren’t on playoff teams, and he’s better defensively. And his team didn’t need him in September (thanks in large part to Hamilton’s first 5 months) so the injury doesn’t count against him.

    Cano didn’t play well the first three weeks of September. That took him out of the running for AL MVP, IMO.

  123. blake September 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    MTU,

    Considering no 2B has ever won both the gold glove and SS award in the same season….I think that gives some indication of what kind of season he’s had. I think he deserves all 3. ;)

  124. MTU September 28th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Blake-

    Fine by me but you better check with Erin to see if it’s OK with her.;)

  125. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Pet Peeve:

    It’s playoff B-E-R-T-H, berth, not birth.

    Thank you. :)

  126. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Dah, hit submit too soon.

    Game 4: Game CC the Sequel (8 IP, 1 run)
    Game 5: What happened to EIG Phil :(
    Game 6: Big Game Andy P (6.1 IP, 1 run)

  127. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    And Phil would be under pressure no matter what. You aren’t allowed to develop at your own pace in the Bronx. He would be under pressure to win anyway, because if he didn’t he’d be headed to the bullpen.

  128. blake September 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Wave,

    The reason they didn’t need him in September is because their division is terrible. Cano has had some big hits and big plays defensively this month in an actual pennant race while Hamilton has been sitting in the dugout….that should count for something.

  129. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    M, I don’t think Phil would be in the playoff rotation had Javy/AJ done their jobs. The Yankees are going to be pushing Phil beyond probably where they expected him to and I think they need to watch out for that next year.

  130. BX33 September 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    “Game 3: Game Girardi “I liked the matchup” so I took out Robertson for Aceves after recording 2 quick outs.”

    Worst decision that he has made as Yankee manager. His explanation was worse – Kendrick doesn’t hit RH changeups but he hits curveballs, or something like that.

  131. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    blake-

    But what the voters will see is the Yanks swooning and Cano not picking them up.

    Fairly or unfairly, I think that’s going to hurt Cano’s chances.

  132. hardwired7 September 28th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    A.J. has to make it through Fight Club Round #3 before we can start talking about the ALDS.

  133. blake September 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    wave,
    You could have a point there but I also think they will look at how he performed with Arod out this season and his work defensively as well. If Hamilton doesn’t get hurt then the award is likely his….we will see.

  134. Tabbert September 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    what bothers me about cashman is his blind confidence in this team and the lack of finding a way to bring another starter. We failed on lee, and then we failed on haren. I dont mind the lee thing as much because we got to keep montero. But, look at what the phillies did.. even though they had been to two straight world series they decided to get roy hallady and also found a way to get roy oswalt during the season. Now going into the playoffs, the phillies have a better pitching staff then last year and are a serious threat to win it all again. Cashman was not nearly aggressive enough in strengthening our biggest weakness. Two of the biggest threats in the playoffs are the rangers ( cliff lee) and the phillies ( roy oswalt) two guys that we failed to get.

  135. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Ok now I get it. You’re right in that sense. But this is a winderful opportunity for Phil. It’s a good thing. The same thing happened last season. No Wang, so that meant Joba. But for whatever reason, Joba was not up to the task, so he was not given the opportunity to start in the postseason. Phil would rather pitch today than worry about tomorrow. Yes, it’s up to others to watch out for his welfare, but he’s been babies enough already.

  136. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    I have no problem with AJ starting games in the postseason……as long as it’s Game 6 of the ALDS and Game 8 of both the ALCS and the World Series. :grin:

  137. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    M, now that I don’t agree with……….not that that’s what I was saying. Javy was brought in to be the #4 starter – to be a buffer, to allow Phil to go through growing pains. There wouldn’t have been any more pressure on him to be better than a #5 if AJ and Javy had done their jobs. Now that doesn’t mean that fan or media expectations would have been lowered had AJ and Javy done their jobs. This is a kid the Yankees have talked about for a long time and for most, it was about time he started living up to his rep. I know most here think he’s had a great year, but most baseball analysts would probably call his year “ok” given his struggles since mid-May.

  138. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    babied. Stupid autocorrect corrected my correction.

  139. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Tried to get Lee. Thought they had him – everyone thought they had him. I don’t think Oswalt would have come to NY, at least that’s what I remember.

    There are at least 2 sides to every trade.

  140. Bronx Jeers September 28th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    My Yankee spirit was born in October 77′.

    It was a playoff birth.

  141. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    M, I love that word – winderful, lol.

    Oh, I agree with you and one thing Curry said on Sunday’s post-game was how impressed he was with Phil as a competitor (he very much wanted to pitch on Sunday, in that must-win game, against the Sox, instead of in Toronto). I guess I’ve had that Verducci theory thrown in my face so many times that it’s one more thing for me to worry about. I see Porcello struggling (or he was, not sure what he’s doing now) after last year; Verlander had issues after his first big year……………..

  142. upstate kate September 28th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Doreen
    getting to the play offs this year feels like giving birth :)

  143. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Betsy,

    I know what you think about Phil’s year. I’m going to have to respectfully say that I think you are wrong in that regard.

  144. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    And if you recall at the time, when Cashman was working on getting Lee, he was being criticized because then the Yankees would have had TOO MUCH good pitching, as if there is such a thing – that they had some nerve, etc., etc.

    Turns out, Cashman, DID have an idea that they’d need Cliff Lee. He certainly did not have blind confidence in the team. He saw Javy faultering and AJ faultering and knew he needed reinforcement. He tried for the BEST available pitcher. Had him in his hand. And then SEATTLE broke up the deal.

  145. Bronx Jeers September 28th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    The Rays gave away 20,000 seats for tomorrow’s game?

  146. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    upstate kate

    Yes, it sure does!!!! :lol:

  147. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    M, I was not talking about myself – where did I say I was? You said there was always going to be pressure on him to perform and I disagreed. Well, I disagreed to the extent that the only pressure on Phil would come from fans and experts who expected/hoped he’d do well – there would not have been pressure in terms of having to win.

  148. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    World Series

    Game 1: I hate you Cliff Lee and your stupid basket catch :mad:
    Game 2: AJ: “Did you see what I did last postseason Kim!!!”
    Game 3: Cameragate
    Game 4: The reason we still have to hear lohudders complain about Johnny Damon’s departure 8 months later…..errr I mean Game Damon (3-5 1 RBI + clutchest SB in WS history + a shout out for bringing magic to the clubhouse).
    -Honorable Mention to A-Rod for the go ahead hit.
    Game 5: Apparently erased from Yankee memory because AJ was so good in Game 2 (2 IP, 6 runs)
    Game 6: Game Matsui

  149. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    And then he tried to get Haren and it didn’t workout.

    How far down the food chain did you want him to go?

  150. Wave Your Hat September 28th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    “I dont mind the lee thing as much because we got to keep montero.”

    If Montero can catch, I’d rather the Yanks have his career than have the 2010 World Championship.

  151. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Honorable Mention in Game 4 to Joba Chamberlain for serving up a classic Joba Meatball to Pedro Feliz to blow the lead.

    Without that we would have never witnessed the heads up SB play by Mr. Damon. Blessing in disguise.

  152. upstate kate September 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Oswalt would not have been a good fit anyway, he was highly critical of Alex after the steroid story broke

  153. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Bronx Jeers -

    Too-shay! :)

    ****

    I know how it happened but I lost that video from last year showing all the wonderfulness of the season – the “Good Night” video. I wanted to watch it. Does anyone still have the link?

  154. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    um – I DON’T know how it happened, that should be.

  155. ET September 28th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Verlander and Cole Hamels both actually lost a lot of stuff the year after they threw a lot of innings too. Verlander was throwing low 90s, Hamels FB was like mid 80s.

    1 year removed from that, both have reverted back to their top-end selves.

  156. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Betsy,

    I was talking about your 5:21 post. Your last sentence. Were you not talking about yourself? You spent the last 3 months trying to convince this blog that Phil Hughes hasn’t been all that good. I’m not getting in you, that’s just the vibe I’ve been getting. Correct me if I’m wrong.

  157. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Doreen,

    ARod didn’t just command one game.

    He spread the wealth and was great basically every night unlike that glory hog Matsui ;)

    So we will call the 2009 postseason….

    Postseason ARod, Mr. Clutch.

  158. m September 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    on you. sorry :oops:

  159. RSM September 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Tabbert, I think your criticism of Cashman is not fair. At the trade deadline Pettitte was in the midst of perhaps his best season and Vazquez was pitching very effectively in June and July. How was he supposed to guess Andy would get hurt and Javy would fall off a cliff?
    You also give the Phils too much credit. The Phillies were in freefall, and their GM was taking a beating for letting Lee go. That’s why he went after Oswalt.

  160. Carl September 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    # upstate kate September 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Oswalt would not have been a good fit anyway, he was highly critical of Alex after the steroid story broke

    Didn’t stop us from calling up Josh Towers last year. Look up what he said about Tony Pena.

  161. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    “He spread the wealth and was great basically every night unlike that glory hog Matsui”

    Hey, watch it LGY! You know how I feel about that glory hog. :wink:

  162. ET September 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Didn’t Berkman make similar comments about A-Rod at the time?

  163. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    M, I was strictly referring to baseball “experts”/pundits/whatever. If you google stuff as much as I do, you see that people (not referring to myself at all) are not overly forgiving of a 5 ERA since mid-May. It doesn’t matter what I think as that was not the point.

  164. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    “Didn’t stop us from calling up Josh Towers last year. Look up what he said about Tony Pena.”

    I remember that. Didn’t he and Pena clear the air after he came here?

  165. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    ET, so I think people need to keep that in mind when they think about Phil in 2011. Now for all I know Hamels had other reasons for having a bad year last year……………it didn’t have to be due to the innings (although if I recall, he threw a TON in 2008).

  166. Laura - I Bleed Blue September 28th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    “Didn’t Berkman make similar comments about A-Rod at the time?”

    I thought Berkman just make jokes about Alex calling the press conference. I don’t remember him being as nasty as Oswalt was.

  167. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    LGY -

    You are correct about that.

    I’m still glad Matsui got the WS MVP. :)

  168. Tabbert September 28th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    arod and oswalt are both pro’s… if he would have been traded here both guys would have squashed whatever beef they had to help accomplish the big goal of winning the world series which is much bigger then just them two.

    remember how dallas braden and arod also had a “feud” yea… it was squashed pretty quickly.

  169. Yank 97 September 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Saying that Cashman knew something is giving him a little too much credit, IMO.

    At the time of the deal, we were playing our best baseball of the season… we were on the West Coast and playing very well. CC was CC. Hughes was very good. Vazquez was in the midst of his good run. Andy was our best pitcher. The only question was Burnett… but even he, at the time, was coming off 3 good outings in a row, so it was safe to figure that maybe he was on his good roll. Vazquez was going so well at the time, we were talking about actually trading him for Werth.

    I don’t think Cashman thought the pitching would implode like this or that there would be injuries. Any pitcher can get injured

  170. LGY September 28th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I think I may have slipped my shot at Johnny Damon by Erica…

  171. stuart a September 28th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    jeter batting first is a mistake. he has had a bad bad year. 21 double plays. does not take any pitches, no power…..

    why not bat him 8th? gardner takes more pitches and is faster and has a 50 point higher obp……………..

    end the nightmare tonight, clinch the playoffs and then set up the big 3. the big 3 does not include burnett who should not pitch in the first round period……….

    for next year jeter and jorge’s reduced production cannot be understated…they need clieff lee big time…………………………..

  172. ZMAN September 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Pelfrey was another guy who was great in 08, bad in 09 after a high IP increase, good in 2010

  173. Tabbert September 28th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    i hate this whole ” well, they dont get along”, ” well, he said mean things about our player”.

    Simple Fact: If you were to get a call from a company and they were going to give you a job but you had a feud with someone that also worked for that company would you really not take the job? yes, you would.These are men we are talking about… not kids in their 20′s but grown men in their 30′s. Roy oswalt is a tru pro and if he would have come to new york he would have acted like one and gotten over whatever beef he had with any player on our team. This might be a game for us but for these men its their JOB. To think that two grown men in their late 30′s would not take a job, risk their job just because they cant get along with someone is just plain stupid.

  174. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    But saying he had blind confidence is giving him too much grief, or whatever word you want to put on it.

    I’m not saying he “knew” anything; but Javy and AJ were not performing, in toto, up to expectations. Javy was not giving innings, for one. Anyway, it doesn’t matter.

    Cashman tried to get Lee, and then Harden. If you think you’re set, you don’t try – especially since Lee is a FA after the season.

  175. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Pelfrey has had a weird 2010…………

  176. Chad Jennings September 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Niblick-

    I think Burnett showed the Yankees something last postseason because through his first four starts he had one bad inning. His last start was awful, but in the biggest game of the playoffs, Burnett was outstanding. Even when he struggled against the Angels, he bounced back from that four-run first inning (I think it was four-run, haven’t looked it up again) and quickly turned things around to pitch through the sixth without allowing a run. He stayed in an inning too long, but there was a lot of good mixed with the bad that game. As you mentioned, three of the other starts were very good and one was very bad. I don’t think his postseason numbers last year told the story of how well he pitched.

    If you want to make the case that last year’s postseason numbers have no impact on how he might pitch this year, I’ll buy that, but to say he was awful last October I think is inaccurate.

    -Chad

  177. Betsy September 28th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    AJ deserved all the credit in the world for pitching brilliantly in the biggest game of the season. Frankly, I think he’s ok in big spots – I don’t think that’s the problem. The problem simply is that now he’s just a bad pitcher (for now, anyway) and so shouldn’t pitch in any big spots.

  178. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    That money grubbing treasure troll Javy Vazquez has been aweful in every pennant race and post season starts he has ever been involved in !

    whew , I feel better. My daily Javy hate rant.

  179. Tabbert September 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    if you could choose to have theo epstein or cashman as our gm who would you take?

  180. BX33 September 28th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “That money grubbing treasure troll Javy Vazquez has been aweful in every pennant race and post season starts he has ever been involved in !”

    Is it ironic that, the 3 years of his career that his team was in a pennant race, he has sucked down the stretch (04,08,10)

  181. EA September 28th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Yankees starters are 2-10 with a 5.93 ERA in the last 23 games.

  182. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Is it ironic that, the 3 years of his career that his team was in a pennant race, he has sucked down the stretch (04,08,10)
    —–
    some would call that a pattern , I won’t go as far I suppose. It’s just facts. Also, I have an irrational hate for the man.

  183. Captain Clutch September 28th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    King Felix will have another one of his pressure starts tonight against the Rangers with no Vlad, Kinsler, Young or Andrus in the lineup. That’s going to be a tough one….

  184. EA September 28th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Vazquez is an “every other year” type pitcher

    ERA by year

    03: 3.24 (good)
    04: 4.91 (bad)
    05: 4.42 (mediocre)
    06: 4.84 (bad)
    07: 3.74 (good)
    08: 4.67 (bad)
    09: 2.87 (good)
    10: 5.07 (bad)

  185. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    blake September 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    MTU,

    Considering no 2B has ever won both the gold glove and SS award in the same season….I think that gives some indication of what kind of season he’s had. I think he deserves all 3.

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  186. Tabbert September 28th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    roy hallady has true cy young numbers… not CC.

  187. PittsburghYankeeFan September 28th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Let the Yankees make the post-season, or else CC will be pitching game 163 in Fenway, in a reversal of 1978.

    Post season:

    ALDS
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    Hughes
    Andy
    CC

    ALCS
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    Hughes
    Andy
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  188. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

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  189. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    JackCurryYES While doing research, noticed that Joe Girardi was 1 for 3 off Dave Eiland and Mike Harkey, two of his Yankee coaches, in career. That’s all

    pcaldera Joe Girardi said Doug Drabek, Cy-winning dad of tonight’s Toronto SP Kyle, “wore me out.” He was right: 2-for-23 (.087), 3B, 4K, 3BB, 3 RBI

  190. PittsburghYankeeFan September 28th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Just imagine the nightmare scenario:

    Game 163 in Yankee stadium after an unprecedented Yankee collapse.

    2-2 in the top of the seventh.

    CC pitching to Bill Hall.

    Two men on.

    “Deep to left…”

    I would die a thousand Yankee deaths.

  191. Erin September 28th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    BloggingBombers Programming note for Wednesday night: The Yankees-Blue Jays game won’t start until about 7:30 because of “Cito Night” festivities.

  192. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Game 4: The reason we still have to hear lohudders complain about Johnny Damon’s departure 8 months later…..errr I mean Game Damon (3-5 1 RBI + clutchest SB in WS history + a shout out for bringing magic to the clubhouse).
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  193. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    I see AJ starting somewhere and sometimes in ALCS if not in ALDS . I just think he will have a very short leash with Nova on the afterburners with the first sign of troubles.

    Hopefully , we get lucky. The probability of the Good AJ showing up simply isn’t great.

    As with all other pitchers, to establish command of one’s fb is vital, I just don’t think AJ has shown any consistency even from an inning to inning stand point.

    Here is to blind luck that he will.

  194. Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Cito Night????

    Is he leaving?

  195. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Bronx Jeers September 28th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    The Rays gave away 20,000 seats for tomorrow’s game?
    ************

    Guess they wanted Longoria and Price to stop crying

    And maybe to repair the alienation to the “fanbase” those two caused

  196. Erica in NY September 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Doreen September 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    Cito Night????

    Is he leaving?
    ***********

    going to front office

  197. West Coast Yankee Fan September 28th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    I have to believe that Girardi will be on his way to Chicago if we don’t at least make it to the World Series. The evidence is pretty conclusive at this point as to his poor decision making, flip-flopping, over managing, weak lineups, reliance on his book, and generally poor job this year. The team has won what they have due to their talent, not Girardi’s skill as a manager.

  198. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    I am down with Cito Night, Will the wild thing Mitchell William kick off the festivities by genuflecting in front of a Joe Carter bronze statue?

  199. MG September 28th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    anyone who can actually think about the Yankees having a game 163 this year to get into the playoffs must actually believe in the tooth fairy, going all in with 2-3 off suit, and ‘the earth is flat’ theory.

  200. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    going all in with 2-3 off suit,
    ——————
    MG, 27 off suit is worse.

  201. Cashmoney September 28th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

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  202. BIG AL September 28th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    To say Phil Hughes, in his first full season, with 17 wins, and coming up big in his last outing, had just an “OK” season, is wrong.

    Name all the pitchers that have won 17 games in the AL, especially in the AL east. YMH pitching under the spot light that is NYY basebal, did an outstanding job this season, and to trivially say it was an “OK” season IMO, is demeaning.

  203. CBean September 28th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Girardi would not have a job if they blew the playoffs now. I don’t think we can actually say not making it to the World Series is on him. The team still has to freakin play.

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