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Girardi: “I’ve got to pick my spots”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Blue Jays BaseballJoe Girardi has some decisions to make before the end of the week.

He said last night that he and his staff quite literally had not decided on a rotation beyond this Toronto series. He’s been focused on getting the Yankees to the playoffs, not what to do once they got there.

“I hadn’t talked much about this,” he said.

So far we know Javier Vazquez will start tonight in place of Andy Pettitte. We can also guess that at least one or two positions players will be out of the lineup.

“We still have aspirations of winning our division and trying to get home-field advantage,” Girardi said. “I’ve got to pick my spots to rest guys. I think about Derek Jeter and Robbie Cano, they’ve played the last 12 days in a row. Alex has played the last nine in a row I believe.”

Cano has had one full game off since the beginning of July, Rodriguez was on the disabled list at the beginning of this month, Nick Swisher and Brett Gardner had cortisone shots two weeks ago and Mark Teixeira is playing with a broken toe and a bruised hand.

“I think we keep pushing,” Rodriguez said. “Every game is important and you also want to keep playing good baseball. Build on what we did today.”

Thing is, of course the players said things like that. Swisher said more or less the same thing. So did Jeter. So did Teixeira. They all want to play. Girardi decides whether or not they will.

“That’s up to Skip and them guys,” Swisher said. “That’s why those guys are a lot smarter than us. Right now we feel confident about where we are and we just play it out from here.”

Associated Press photo of Jeter

 
 

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329 Responses to “Girardi: “I’ve got to pick my spots””

  1. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    I think this will be the most difficult GTLU of the entire season. LOL

  2. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I am up for a super GTLU challenge.

    Doreen-

    Did you see my post yesterday when I was cleaning out my drawer at work and found a giant stack of my old GTLU post its (not thrown away at the time for fear of termination)

  3. 108 stitches September 29th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    This should be the final audition for Vazquez for what role he will or will not have in the postseason if any at all.

  4. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Erica
    so what did you do w/ the GTLU post its?

    its hard enough deciding who might play, but then there is the question of what batting order…and girardi was too vague to be of any help

  5. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Erica
    so what did you do w/ the GTLU post its?

    its hard enough deciding who might play, but then there is the question of what batting order…and girardi was too vague to be of any help

  6. Cashman needs to go September 29th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I would play the regulars at least for tonight (and hope for a win of course) and see what tampa does tonight and tomorrow..

    if the yankees win today and tampa loses both today and tomorrow then you go for HFA (and play the regulars) since they would be able to determine their own fate regarding HFA this weekend..

    if they lose tonight or tampa wins one or both games today and tomorrow then you sit your regulars in boston and book your tickets to minnesota…

  7. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Erica -

    Yes, I did! That’s funny.

    You know, after GTLU ended, I went through every lineup I had. I think (because of computer failure!) I was only missing lineups from a few games. I actually went back into the archives to recreate most of them.

    I have a document with all Girardi’s lineups, with participants and winners. And of course I have the documents with the daily guesses. (I shoulda been an accountant!)

  8. Yanksgal07 September 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Someone was trying to annoy my friend and they told him …The Yanks are 3 and out. His reply …that’s right …win 3 series and out to the parade … :) . Here’s to cheering on the Yankees all the way to the Canyon of Heroes ….

    Go Yankees 2010 !!!

  9. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    They do have an off day tomorrow, so, maybe Tex and Robbie don’t play tonight? Or Robbie and Alex? It seems like mostly the infielders that are of concern. And then on Friday whoever doesn’t rest today. So they each get two days off. Who’s the most banged up or exhausted?

  10. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Plus, he could take guys out in the middle of the game, getting them 1/2 rest.

  11. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    GTLU. What fun. It was hard enough with a 25 man roster, but now with like 35 players it should be a real challenge :)

    Thanks Doreen.

  12. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Doreen-I was thinking the same thing re: Robbie and Tex. They’re probably the two that need a break the most. But then again, I really doubt he’ll want Alex to play three straight games on turf. So I definitely think Alex sits tonight (unless of course he’s the DH). So many possibilities!!

  13. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    I am thinking Alex plays since he has a chance of getting that last HR

  14. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    “Erin September 29th, 2010 at 11:27 am
    I think this will be the most difficult GTLU of the entire season. LOL”

    “Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 11:39 am
    GTLU. What fun. It was hard enough with a 25 man roster, but now with like 35 players it should be a real challenge.”

    Naw, won’t be difficult at all:
    I’ll just copy of you two [like usual] ;-)
    hahaha!

  15. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Off, not of.

  16. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 11:33 am
    Erica
    so what did you do w/ the GTLU post its?
    **************

    Buried them in the bottom of the garbage.

    I haven’t been called into HR yet, so I think its okay

  17. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Erin,

    I think Robbie and Tex will sit. Some of the other regulars may start and come out after 1 or 2 at bats like a spring training game.

  18. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Naw, won’t be difficult at all:
    I’ll just copy of you two [like usual]
    hahaha!
    ******************
    Hi Chuck,

    LOL. You figured out the secret to winning GTLU ;)

  19. CountryClub September 29th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Why the Rangers TV deal matters

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ers-35982/

  20. JM September 29th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Swish should sit a game or two. His knee is clearly still bothering him a bit.

  21. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    I am also thinking Swish sits, he is still limping a bit

  22. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Fran-good point.

  23. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:35 am
    Erica -

    Yes, I did! That?s funny.

    You know, after GTLU ended, I went through every lineup I had. I think (because of computer failure!) I was only missing lineups from a few games. I actually went back into the archives to recreate most of them.

    I have a document with all Girardi?s lineups, with participants and winners. And of course I have the documents with the daily guesses. (I shoulda been an accountant!)
    *************

    Hahahaha.
    I am glad I quit the post-it method early. It was chaos.

    Btw, we never got to discuss postseason GTLU. (YAY!!!! now that its a reality). Do you want the honors, or do you need a GTLU break or do you want to split it up?

    I liked it last year- but as the postseason went on (which is a good thing) I found I was giving up valuable weekend free time to collect Yankee line ups. So if you want to think it over and let me know….

    (Side note: Did you like my Facebook Glee quote of the night?)

  24. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Hi, Fran! I sure did:

    [1] Copy Fran’s GTLU, unless

    [2] Have a direct link to Joey Girardi.

    :-)

  25. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    jinx JM

  26. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Fran-

    Bat Pena clean up.

    Its a can’t miss line up :lol:

  27. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    JM September 29th, 2010 at 11:46 am
    Swish should sit a game or two. His knee is clearly still bothering him a bit.

    *************************
    Agreed-I think it’s pretty much a given that he’ll sit out.

  28. CountryClub September 29th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    He’ll take advantage of tomorrow’s off day to give some guys two full days off. They either sit today and tomorrow or tomorrow and friday. Then he’ll probably play close to the normal lineup for 5 or 6 innings on sat and sun and then another 2 days off before the playoffs start.

  29. JM September 29th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    # upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    jinx JM
    ______________

    LOL. Great minds….

  30. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Hey Nick, if you are around let me know how I should pay you your winnings (also a reminder on how much). I got #poseyed – he’s the only reason the Giants won so many games this year :(

  31. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Who needs rest the most?

    Cano and Swish. So, if it’s two men out, that’s my guess….

  32. Rich in NJ September 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I would rather see Brackman start.

  33. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Bat Pena clean up.
    ****************
    Erica,

    How did you know what I was thinking?

  34. jacksquat September 29th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    They have tomorrow off, play three games, then have another two days off before the postseason starts. I think that’s plenty of rest and would not rest someone unless they are really injured (maybe swisher, he still looks a little lame). If winning the division becomes impossible, then you can start pulling starters in the middle of games, but these guys need to play regularly to keep their timing.

  35. pat September 29th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Girardi has been turf-shy with Alex since the hip flexor problem happened earlier this year after playing 3 games in Toronto so I think he sits tonight.

  36. Rich in NJ September 29th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Why are people so concerned about Lee before the playoffs even start?

    He either wants to play here or he doesn’t. He will either accept a reasonable deal or he won’t.

    Move on.

  37. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am
    Bat Pena clean up.
    ****************
    Erica,

    How did you know what I was thinking?
    *************

    Its the inner line to Girardi!

  38. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Maybe Javier will use this as his audition for the 4th starter role in the playoffs and succeed.

  39. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I’m worried about facing Lee in the playoffs. People are actually worried about signing him in the offseason? Come on people, it’s all about winning right now. We’ll have plenty of time in the offseason to worry about free agents, trades, etc

  40. CountryClub September 29th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Rich in NJ September 29th, 2010 at 11:53 am
    Why are people so concerned about Lee before the playoffs even start?

    He either wants to play here or he doesn’t. He will either accept a reasonable deal or he won’t.

    Move on.

    —————

    Because he’s the only elite pitcher on the market for the next couple of years and we’ve seen first hand what difference an elite pitcher (CC) makes.

  41. stuart a September 29th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    live in southern calif. just did some errands and listened to harold reynolds on mlb network, colin cowherd on his show, and bruce murray(I think his name) on the b team talk about the yanks.
    man people are clueless and if not in the market or pay attention to the market no idea what they are talking about.

    reynolds comments were astoundingly ignorant. AJ going in game 2 accoriding to him and Phil Hughes not even mentioned. Bruce mentioned cashman and the Lee trade and that seattle has the right after a deal is agreed apon to try to extort and hold up the deal. WHich they are not morally allowed to do and if other teams did no trade would ever be made.

    cowherd some nonsense about the jeter clutch myth and arod not… look up arod with RISP this year and bases loaded and same for jeter and tell me who is clutch and who is not.

    also read wally matthews in espn NY he follows them and is clueless. they all go on reputation and old news.

    these guys get paid to talk and watch sports and they are clueless.

    aj burnett should not pitch in the alds and if he is the 2nd starter I may have a heart attack.

    cc, pettite, hughes, cc, and pettitte, alds rotation…..

  42. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Lee is going to sign with the Yankees, it’s pretty much a guarantee at this point.

  43. UnKnown September 29th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    repost:
    GTLU (special day after clinched a spot in the postseason edition)
    Jeter SS
    Golson CF
    Thames DH
    Kearns RF
    Miranda 1b
    Cervelli C
    Russo LF
    Pena 3b
    Nunez 2b

  44. CountryClub September 29th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    I didn’t say I was worried about signing Lee, all I did was link to an article talking about how the Rangers are now flush with cash.

  45. Open Spaces September 29th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I apologize for my ignorance, but I haven’t been able to follow baseball as much as I would like lately. I was hoping someone with more knowledge could help me out with the playoff picture:

    If the Yankees win the division, they will play the Rangers with home field advantage throughout the playoffs and if they win the wild card they will play the Twins without home field advantage. Is this correct or am I way off?

    Thanks!

  46. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Erica -

    Liked Facebook Glee quote of the night! (Show was better than I expected, but disturbing…)

    Post-season GTLU – We can split it up. Do you want to alternate games, alternate series, or weekday/weekend?

    I’m thinking alternating games, but I’m not married to that.

  47. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    The Rangers just signed a $1.6 billion dollar TV contract extension with Fox Southwest. You can’t be positive any longer that the Yanks will make the top offer to Lee.

    It will be an interesting off-season, although I agree with Patrick that we should enjoy the post-season first.

  48. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Today’s Special Edition of Guess The Line Up is Now Officially Open for Business.

    Good Luck!!

    I’ll take lineups until the official one is posted somewhere in cyberspace or twitterville. :lol:

  49. MG September 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    if the Yankees care about Home Field Advantage they will try to win tonight’s game by putting the best team on the field possible. If they lose and Tampa wins 1 out of the next 2 games they are pretty much done so they can rest everyone as much as they want over the weekend. Resting guys tonight when they still have a reasonable chance by winning just makes no sense whatsoever, there is plenty of time to rest them before next Wednesday.

  50. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Sorry country club, I missed your comment.

  51. pat September 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Speaking of turf, Alex’s throws to Tex last night made me think he learned a thing or 2 cutting his teeth in the Kingdome.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Stop lying to the fans and media Joe!

    I’m ecstatic we made the grade and will be playing in the post-season. I do think HFA makes a difference though, playing a potentially decisive game in front of a packed Yankee Stadium crowd has got to mean a lot.

    Unfortunately, I think we all know that despite Girardi’s lip service to the contrary, this team will not be making the effort to get that done. Girardi is just out and out lying to the media and the fans when he says they are. Pettitte stepping aside for Vazquez today is just the first indication of that.

    I am aware that the rotation needs to get lined up for the post season, that Pettitte was hurt, older players need a rest, etc. But don’t BS the fans. It’s insulting. And of course the obvious observation is that we never should have been in this position in the first place, playing poorly down the stretch and having to timidly back into a post-season spot. I lay that blame at Joe Girardi’s feet, indecisive, flip-flopping, over managing, going to much by the book, throwing away games in July and August by putting AAA lineups in there, i.e., that series in Tampa comes to mid. This has not been his finest year as a manager.

    That having been said, we have a great shot at number 28. Our lineup despite being banged up is capable of putting up a ten spot on any given night against any pitcher out there. And Sabathia Pettitte and Hughes have the potential to shut teams down.

    I just hope we don’t see Girardi over manage these games. Let the guys play.

  53. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Doreen-

    Lets start with alternating games and adjust as needed
    (aka- if you have something to do, I jump in and vice versa)

    I can honestly say I didn’t like Glee last night. Problem #1 is that I really don’t like Brittney Spears. But worse than that, it felt like they were showing music videos and adding random script around it. It just felt very off.

  54. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    “That having been said, we have a great shot at number 28.”

    To be honest, WCYF, I think the Yank chances of winning #28 are close to 50% (ALDS) x 50% (ALCS) x 50% (WS) = 12.5%.

  55. stuart a September 29th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    btw yanks have a lot more dinero then the rangers. if the yanks want Lee which they should he will be a yankee.

    also cliff lee is not aj burnett. the comparison is laughable. the only similarities are they both pitch, both from arkansas, and have the same agent.

    lee walks no one, has great control, is a smart pitcher, has been better in the postseason, has been better in the regular season, and does not count exclusively on great stuff.

    burnett is a moron, incosistent, wlaks batters like crazy, hits batters like crazy, and is a mental case……..

  56. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Wave,

    Pretty sure it was a 20 year, $3 billion deal that the Rangers signed. In other words, $150 million per year.

    That’s a ton of money but I’m pretty sure the Yankees make more with YES considering they own the company.

  57. CountryClub September 29th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    The Rangers just signed a $1.6 billion dollar TV contract extension with Fox Southwest. You can’t be positive any longer that the Yanks will make the top offer to Lee.

    It will be an interesting off-season, although I agree with Patrick that we should enjoy the post-season first.

    —————–

    Including an 80 mil up front bonus. So they’ll have plenty of money to spend this off season.

  58. CountryClub September 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Pretty sure it was a 20 year, $3 billion deal that the Rangers signed. In other words, $150 million per year

    —————

    The initial numbers reported were incorrect.

  59. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    GTLU
    SS Jeet
    CF Granderson
    1B Lance
    2B Robbie
    DH Thames
    LF Kearns
    RF Golson
    C Cisco
    3B Nunez
    I reconsidered and gave Alex off instead of Robbie
    thanks Doreen
    thanks Doreen

  60. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Erica -

    Sounds good.

    As for Glee, I thought it would be much worse, but I absolutely agree – it was like they simply shot Britney Spears videos substituting Glee characters. And I am not a fan of hers either. I liked what they did with “Stronger,” but the other two were gratuitously salacious. Also, the dentist stuff was very disturbing – very.

  61. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    The initial numbers reported were incorrect.

    Ah I see, thanks for the correction!

  62. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Today’s Mess Up The Lineup [Thanks, Doreen!]

    [1] SS Jeet
    [2] CF Grandyman Can
    [3] 1B Big Tex
    [4] 3B Alex
    [5] DH Marky Thames
    [6] C ‘Sado
    [7] RF Kearnsie
    [8] 2B El Nino
    [9] LF Brett the Jet

    Pitching – Javy Gravy ;-)

  63. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Fran, Erin – I changed my mind.
    No copying! hahaha

  64. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Patrick-

    That was the initial rumor but more recent reports put it in the $1.5B to $1.6B range, with an $80MM signing bonus in 2011.

    Which means, the Rangers are going to be major, major players going forward (as befits a team in the biggest city in Texas) and have as good a shot at signing Lee as the Yanks do.

  65. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    OK, total shot in the dark, but here goes nothing:

    LF Gardner
    SS Jeter
    DH Teixeira
    CF Granderson
    1B Miranda
    RF Golson
    C Cervelli
    3B Nunez
    2B Pena

    Thanks Doreen!!

  66. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    CC-

    You beat me to it again!

  67. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Fran, Erin ? I changed my mind.
    No copying! hahaha

    **************************
    LOL :)

    Good luck!!!

  68. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Erica -

    Sounds good.

    As for Glee, I thought it would be much worse, but I absolutely agree ? it was like they simply shot Britney Spears videos substituting Glee characters. And I am not a fan of hers either. I liked what they did with ?Stronger,? but the other two were gratuitously salacious. Also, the dentist stuff was very disturbing ? very.
    ***************

    I’ll be honest, I fast forwarded through a lot of it. The Madonna episode was much, much better because it actually made sense with the story and they managed to incorporate “Gleeness” with it. Like in Vogue, “Will Schuester, I hate you”.

    Last night felt very, very off

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    September 29th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    “That having been said, we have a great shot at number 28.”

    To be honest, WCYF, I think the Yank chances of winning #28 are close to 50% (ALDS) x 50% (ALCS) x 50% (WS) = 12.5%.

    ************************

    Anyone can make up odds. My contention is that a team with Cano, A-Rod, Tex, Swisher, a sizzling Granderson, Posada, Sabathia, Pettitte, Hughes and Mo has to have a great shot.

    And anyone that wants to bet against Jeter in the post-season needs to re-think that.

  70. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    I just realized I missed something-

    When (and why) did Girardi announce Javy was pitching instead of Andy?

  71. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Which means, the Rangers are going to be major, major players going forward (as befits a team in the biggest city in Texas) and have as good a shot at signing Lee as the Yanks do.

    Don’t kid yourself, the Yankees are the odds on favorites to sign Lee. They can put forth more money than the Rangers and Lee wants to be a Yankee.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Pettitte in clubhouse after game on camera to Kim Jones.

  73. sevrox September 29th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Except for the Captain, everybody’s out.

    SS Jeter
    1B Berkman
    RF Thames
    DH Miranda
    LF Kearns
    C Cervelli
    3B Nunez
    CF Golson
    2B Pena

  74. CountryClub September 29th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    People will underestimate the Yanks going into the playoffs. They’ll point to their starting pitching as a weakness. But the truth is, assuming Andy is healthy, they have CC, Andy and Hughes as their top 3 and that’s more than good enough to win another title. The pen is strong and the lineup is stacked. Now all they have to do is actually get a couple of hits when they put men on base.

  75. 108 stitches September 29th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Of the 4 remaining games, Jorge should be rested for 2 games to save his knees. Nothing wrong with starting all the rest of the position players for a few inning to keep them sharp then remove as needed.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Hint – stop watching Glee and watch post-game! lol

  77. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Erica
    Girardi announced it would be Javy during the post game you missed!!

  78. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Erica -

    Last night. Javy’s going to start but he’s not going to stay in very long.

    Andy seemed really glad to be skipped – sounded like he’d rather have the rest now and set up for the playoffs on regular rest.

  79. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    oh you are right, it was Andy who spilled the beans, and Girardi who confirmed it

  80. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Speaking of turf, Alex’s throws to Tex last night made me think he learned a thing or 2 cutting his teeth in the Kingdome.

    ——————————————–

    Good point.

    His baseball IQ is really through the roof. Some players might try to hit the 1B on the fly which could be inaccurate or short hopped.

    Bounce it early enough in it’s flight and it’s an easy catch for the 1B without losing much velocity off the turf.

  81. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Erica and Doreen-I don’t watch Glee, but a good friend does and she knows I like John Stamos, so she was trying to get me to watch. I told her that I didn’t think I could sit through an entire episode devoted to Britney Spears. LOL

  82. JM September 29th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Doubt Cliff Lee really enjoyed pitching in that Texas heat. Also he is buddies with CC.

    I think he comes to the Yanks next year. Texas will definitely make a play but the Yanks will not be outbid if they really want someone, and it sure seems like they really want Lee. The only question is, how much will they wind up having to pay him, and will they overpay?

  83. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Hey Doreen,

    OK.Here goes;

    Gardner LF
    Derek SS
    Berkman 1B
    Alex DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Golson RF
    Pena 3B
    Nunez 2B

    Thanks :)

  84. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Erin -

    John Stamos looked wonderful, and did a good job. But his character was somewhat, well, as I said the whole dentist thing was very disturbing.

  85. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    WCYF-

    I wasn’t making up odds. My point was that IMO the Yanks have about the same chances to win or lose each series. They simply haven’t proved themselves to be significantly better than the competition, at least so far.

    Which will make for an interesting post-season.

  86. blake September 29th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I would say the Rangers probably have a better chance now than they did a couple months ago but the Yankees would have to still be the favorite. Both will be able to offer big money and the decision may come down to Lee’s preference…..what the Rangers do in the playoffs this year could be a factor in that..

  87. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Fran, Erin – none of our lineups are similar.
    Anway, good luck to you both as well :-)

  88. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Can I get in on the Glee talk?! I’ve never watched the show before besides the Madonna ep but I watched last night and I’m pretty sure I agree with you, Erica and Doreen. Does the show normally seem so broken up or does it generally follow a more tightly scripted storyline?

  89. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    With respect to the Lee signing derby, don’t be too sure the Yanks will always win. They have in the past, so it is natural to think they will in the future, but life isn’t static. Things change.

    Yankee revenue isn’t going up sharply, while the Rangers revenue is. By a huge amount. Plus the Rangers new ownership is going to want to make a statement, especially combined with the TV deal.

  90. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Wave,

    The reason I said that the Yankees are still the favorites to sign Lee is because, even with the new TV deal, the Yankees have more revenue than the Rangers. And because there have been many rumors that Lee wants to play for the Yankees.

  91. Noreaster September 29th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Gardner LF
    Berkman 1B
    Tex DH
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Kerns RF
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Nunez SS

  92. blake September 29th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    The Rangers don’t get to choose where Cliff Lee plays next season….Cliff Lee does. The Yankees can match or beat dollars with anyone so it will probably come down to what Lee wants to do more than the fact that the Rangers signed a TV deal.

  93. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Patrick-

    I guess I have to admit that I think the Yanks are the favorite as well. But remember, while the Yanks still have more revenue than the Rangers (I think), they also have a significantly higher payroll.

  94. jacksquat September 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    GTLU

    CF – Greg Golson
    3B – Eduardo Nunez
    LF – Austin Kearns
    DH – Marcus Thames
    1B – Juan Miranda
    2B – Kevin Russo
    RF – Colin Curtis
    C – Chad Moeller
    SS – Ramiro Pena

    :mrgreen:

  95. justinxdance27 September 29th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    SS Jete
    CF Granderson
    1B Tex
    2B Cano
    DH Thames
    LF Kearns
    RF Golson
    C Cervelli
    3B Nunez

    whats the prize for this extreme special edition of GTLU? haha . thx doreen!

  96. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Also, I think the Yanks need to sign Lee, whereas Texas doesn’t. That often makes a difference.

  97. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Wave,

    True. The Rangers will probably be desperate to sign Lee, however I think the Yankees will go full court press on him just like they did with Sabathia.

    Either way, we can worry about it after the Yankees lock down #28 :)

  98. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Chuck,

    Good luck to you too, but it just seems like it will be a Joe Girardi win today.

  99. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    It’s a given the Yankees will overpay for Lee, they almost always do. That’s how they get who they want. It’s not the annual salary; it’s the length of the contract that is almost always problematic. Cliff Lee and Braunecker know this and will take full advantage.

  100. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 September 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Erica and Doreen – i liked Glee. Anything with John Stamos in it is ok by me :) And I’m not going to lie I like britney spears ( ummm it’s good gym music?? LOL its ok to judge me). But I agree that there was really no point to that episode….

    as for the yanks, i think alex sits tonight. And maybe robbie? Also, im quite happy Andy isnt pitching tonight because I’m not going to be home :) . This being said, I’m really pulling for Javy. I know he’s been awful this year but he just seems like such a good guy that I cant help but root for him. Would be a nice confidence booster if he pitches a quality game tonight. I still think he can be helpful out of the pen for us….

  101. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Fran
    there is enough variety, hopefully someone has it right…don’t think it will be jacksquat tho :)

  102. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Thanks, Fran! [and Erin, too!]
    You have a good point about Joey winning…..

  103. tyanksfan36 September 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    I too was not impressed with Glee last night. Honestly, when I saw John Stamos the first music I thought of was Beach Boys kind of a throw back to Full House(maybe I’m showing my age there) him being the creepy dentist was just creepy

    I too think a lot of regulars will be resting tonight. If I had to guess I’d say Alex cause of the turf, Robbie will probably rest sometime over the weekend, its not like they have a ton of games to rest guys unless they decide to put the Scranton lineup out there for a night or 2 and just everyone together but then that would give the impression that they don’t care about the division

  104. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Joe’s gonna have to put Alex in a straightjacket to keep him out of the lineup.

  105. m September 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Hold on to those post-its, Erica. The HOF will come calling one day.

    pat,

    Missed almost the whole documentary last night. Flipping through the channels, I happened to see Torre talking about that first WS they won. Ended with some guy who said it was [basically a birthright] to hate the Yankees. But as a writer, he had grudgingly come to like that team. Who was that?

  106. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Kate,

    It would be nice for someone other than Joe to win :)

  107. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    Fran, Erin ? none of our lineups are similar.
    Anway, good luck to you both as well

    *******************************
    Thanks Chuck.

    Too bad we didn’t have the same lineups. :(

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Never understood the turf thing for an infielder. They play defense on dirt, they hit on dirt, they run on dirt.

  109. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    tyanksfan36 September 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    I too was not impressed with Glee last night. Honestly, when I saw John Stamos the first music I thought of was Beach Boys kind of a throw back to Full House

    ************************
    I always loved when the Beach Boys showed up on Full House. I was pretty young when it was on, but I remember that those were the only times my dad would actually sit down and watchit- anything having to do with the Beach Boys and he was right there. LOL

  110. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    ok, I have Glee recorded…is it worth watching?

  111. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    “Erin September 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    Fran, Erin ? none of our lineups are similar.
    Anway, good luck to you both as well

    *******************************
    Thanks Chuck.

    Too bad we didn’t have the same lineups.”

    No worries, Pretend Lineup Teammate!
    We’ve got the post-season right around the corner ;-)

  112. m September 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Who is more annoying? Stamos or Mario Lopez? Gotta be Mario right? But it’s very close.

  113. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    No worries, Pretend Lineup Teammate!
    We?ve got the post-season right around the corner

    **************************
    Very true! :)

  114. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    I had to check my URL to see if I had erroneously gone to http://www.theview.com

  115. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Well they don’t run on dirt in Rogers Centre.

    Also you have to consider what’s under the dirt

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    :D :D :D

    Of course none of it had to do with the rotation not performing, Andy being injured, the offense not delivering RISP (what was it, 32 players left on base in one series?), playing through injuries and being without the services of Aceves and Marte. And Mariano blowing 6 saves. (That would have been 6 more wins right there.) It was ALL about indecisive yada yada yada yada. But what a hell of a job that indecisive yada yada yada did of keeping the Yankees in first place for most of the regular season.

    Simply amazing.

    :roll:

    “Unfortunately, I think we all know that despite Girardi’s lip service to the contrary, this team will not be making the effort to get that done. Girardi is just out and out lying to the media and the fans when he says they are. Pettitte stepping aside for Vazquez today is just the first indication of that”

    Of course it has NOTHING to do with wanting Andy to pitch in the more dangerous series coming up, something he couldn’t do if he pitches tonight.

    Yep, he doesn’t want HFA at all. He doesn’t need to worry about setting up his rotation and getting things in order. Just blow it all out right now to prove to one insecure fan that he really does want HFA.

  117. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    m September 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Who is more annoying? Stamos or Mario Lopez? Gotta be Mario right? But it?s very close

    ***********************
    Nothing about John Stamos is annoying. JMO. ;)

  118. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Well, I can remember watching John Stamos play “Blackie” on General Hospital.

  119. Fran the original September 29th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    mel,

    I think Mario Lopez easily is the most annoying.

  120. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I wasn’t on yesterday, but what did everyone think about the decision to start CC last night. RAB had a pre-game thread about it and they absolutely hated it. They were 90/10 on it. They called it a panic move and would mess up the postseason rotation. It was strange reading that thread. Like it was written in hieroglyphics. Completely did not understand it. Was the idea to start CC last night shot down here?

  121. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Garrett Dillahunt is the only great character in the Raising Hope show. I was reading on a message board, someone said that they “wonder when Dillahunt is going to murder someone” because he usually plays bad guys/murderers in movies!

  122. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    m -

    I don’t think Stamos is annoying, but Mario Lopez might be.

  123. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Mario Lopez is a fool, cheated on Ali Landry! Never could stand Slater! :)

  124. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    what was wrong w/ having CC start? While it wasn’t a must win game, I think the team really wanted to clinch and move on. And he got his 21st win.

  125. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I always loved when the Beach Boys showed up on Full House.

    ———————————————————————————————–

    I felt the same way when The Doobie Brothers showed up on “What’s Happening” :wink:

  126. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I can’t believe John Stamos stayed so hot.. how old is the guy again? He could probably be my dad..

  127. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I have the following people submitting lineups for GTLU so far:

    Unknown
    upstate kate
    chuck58
    Erin
    sevrox
    Fran
    Noreaster
    jacksquat
    justinxdance27

    Let me know if I missed a lineup; lineups accepted until the official one is posted. :)

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    “People will underestimate the Yanks going into the playoffs. They’ll point to their starting pitching as a weakness. But the truth is, assuming Andy is healthy, they have CC, Andy and Hughes as their top 3 and that’s more than good enough to win another title. The pen is strong and the lineup is stacked. Now all they have to do is actually get a couple of hits when they put men on base.”

    CountryClub, absolutely correct. But to even get there you have to be able to think rationally and not emotionally. In that case you are wasting your breath with some posters. You know that of course. But for the rest of us, we’re good to go.

    ************

    Just listening to Francesa. He said they are going to put their best team on the field over the weekend. Not rocket science. It isn’t that they aren’t going to try to win tonight. And Joe can do all the mix and match he needs to. Oh wait, I have a better idea. Blow it out tonight and make sure that you can decimated over the weekend. That’s the way to take the division.

    :roll:

  129. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Saved by the Bell in syndication on TBS and whatever ET show he does in the evening. Double ugh.

    I do like it when he does late night skits with a potty mouth it’s pretty funny.

  130. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    YankeesWFAN Fyi. First pitch tonight around 7:30. Blue Jays holding ceremony to honor Cito Gaston’s final game in Toronto. Or is it honour?

  131. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    “Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I felt the same way when The Doobie Brothers showed up on “What’s Happening”

    ‘Who be Doobie?
    YOU be Doobie?” :-)

  132. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    upstate kate – I think it depends on your feelings about the music of Ms. Britney Spears.

  133. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    I always loved when the Beach Boys showed up on Full House.

    ????????????????????????????????

    I felt the same way when The Doobie Brothers showed up on ?What?s Happening?

    *****************************

    :lol:

    Which Doobie You Be?

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    “I wasn’t on yesterday, but what did everyone think about the decision to start CC last night. RAB had a pre-game thread about it and they absolutely hated it. They were 90/10 on it. They called it a panic move and would mess up the postseason rotation. It was strange reading that thread. Like it was written in hieroglyphics. Completely did not understand it. Was the idea to start CC last night shot down here?”

    The unusual suspects spun out of control, but others saw it as a necessity to tie up the postseason spot. I didn’t have any great problem with it.

    What’s the fascination with RAB? Has someone deemed them second to god? All I remember about RAB was posters coming here and telling us how much they lived to trash lohud.

  135. Chuck58 September 29th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Good one, Erin – it depends on who is doing the writing!
    Clarence is an American, so he’s being honored.
    Then again, it’s in Ontario, so he might be honoured :-D

  136. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Not that I sit and watch those shows, but there’s a good chance his face pops up 2-3 times a day when I channel surf.

  137. ConcernedCitizen September 29th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    We have an off-day tomorrow and a division race still going. What is the rationale behind resting regulars again?

  138. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue
    September 29th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Of course none of it had to do with the rotation not performing, Andy being injured, the offense not delivering RISP (what was it, 32 players left on base in one series?), playing through injuries and being without the services of Aceves and Marte. And Mariano blowing 6 saves. (That would have been 6 more wins right there.) It was ALL about indecisive yada yada yada yada. But what a hell of a job that indecisive yada yada yada did of keeping the Yankees in first place for most of the regular season.Simply amazing. Of course it has NOTHING to do with wanting Andy to pitch in the more dangerous series coming up, something he couldn’t do if he pitches tonight. Yep, he doesn’t want HFA at all. He doesn’t need to worry about setting up his rotation and getting things in order. Just blow it all out right now to prove to one insecure fan that he really does want HFA.

    **************

    Trisha your baseball instincts and knowledge are so poor as to defy credulity. This team barely backed into the playoffs due to Girardi. There is not a credible national baseball commentator, beat writer or columnist that hasn’t criticized his job this year. And countless Yankee fans as well.

  139. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    where is Comet when we need him to clear up a Canadian question?

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Which regulars have been announced as being rested? Yes we have a day off but also a potentially gruelling end to the season. Which regulars are going to be rested today?

  141. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    trisha,

    I’m up much later, and it gets weird here (you should check out last night’s thread. some guy was “praising” you all night). So I go over there for some reading.

    They do more nuts and bolts stuff. I like it.

    I do remember the hostile takeover attempt of LoHud by some of their regulars Good times.

  142. Pat M. September 29th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Tricia…I never realized you have a fan club…..Last night after you signed off, there was this wave of love directed towards R.I……….A healthy Yankee ballclub is going to be a very tough to beat going forward……

  143. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    And your comments on RAB prove my point Trish. You just do not have a clue what you are talking about. There is not a Yankee site that provides more comprehensive, detailed, well researched and intelligent articles than RAB. They are a very different animal than LoHud and are not in competition with each other, they are complimentary.

  144. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    :lol:

    Which Doobie You Be?

    ———————————————–

    I’m going to start calling you “The Cable Girl” :wink:

  145. MG September 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Let me spell the situation regarding HFA out for all of you clearly:

    the Yankees lose a tie breaker with the Rays

    they are 1/2 game behind and 1 down in the loss column.

    if they lose tonight, no matter what the Rays do, they would have to sweep the Sox in order to have a realistic chance unless the Rays fall apart against the O’s and Royals.

    the Rays play tomorrow as well as tonight-if they win both games, the Yankees are down (at best) 1 game with 3 to play. Add the losing tie breaker and they are basically 2 down with 3 left.

    if they CARE about HFA they need to win tonight, period. That means put your best team on the field. Anything less means they don’t care.

    If Francesca says something else it just means he hasn’t taken the time to go through the details and is blowing it out his butt as he usually does.

  146. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    trisha,

    If Shakespeare resurrected into a Yankee fan, he was on last night and you were his muse.

  147. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    “They are a very different animal than LoHud and are not in competition with each other, they are complimentary.”

    If you are going to scold someone, you may as well use the correct word.

    COMPLEMENTARY

    :)

  148. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Absolutely correct MG

  149. Pat M. September 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    m….I saw your question regarding the temperature in LA….Tuesday was a record breaking day as the thermometer hit 113 in downtown Los Angles…….It was 97 in Newport Beach that day…..Things are back to normal now as the tropical storm off the coast of southern Mexico has broken up……..Man it was hot Tuesday…..Very few folks have air conditioning because we live by the ocean and the normal temp is 70 year round

  150. pat September 29th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    m

    We were channel surfing to it during commercials and pitching changes in the game. I didn’t see that part. Dan Shaughnessy, Bob Costas and Tom Boswell were the only writers on when we watched.

    I was looking for confirmation on whether we heard something right or if it was out of context. There was nothing on Google about it early this morning but it has since been written on. It appears Boswell dropped a PEDs bombshell and no one seems to have noticed.

  151. Erin September 29th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    I?m going to start calling you ?The Cable Girl?

    ***************************
    LOL

    I kind of like that. :)

  152. ConcernedCitizen September 29th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    @trisha Responding to the thread in general. IMHO, I don’t think its a great idea to concede the division. I realize the line up hasn’t been announced yet.

  153. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Congrats CR9 – You got me hitting an i instead of an e key.

  154. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    No need for congrats. Just attempting to educate you :)

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    “This team barely backed into the playoffs due to Girardi. There is not a credible national baseball commentator, beat writer or columnist that hasn’t criticized his job this year. And countless Yankee fans as well.”

    Right, because Girardi didn’t grab a bat and hit for them when they left 32 runners on base. Girardi didn’t pitch for them when AJ and Phil were struggling and CC was about the only pitcher bringing it home. Because Girardi blew all of Mo’s saves.

    If they brought those games home they would have clinched two weeks ago.

    Why don’t you name the “credible” baseball commentators you’re talking about since unequivocally believe that anyone you name will be a laugher in my book. And once you bring forward those national experts, link me to their columns. Joel Sherman is not considered a credible columnist so try not to scrape the bottom of the barrel and call it the top. I want to see credible peoples’ discussions.

    As Doreen so saliently pointed out on a number of occassions, the only people who know the entire story about what is going on with players and their situations are the people in the organization. Not you lazing on the west coast, not me, not any poster behind a keyboard on a forum, and also not the vulture press.

    I’ll take the Yankees version of what should be done in games in order to get to the next games over any drivel I can read on this forum, 24-7.

    Again listening to Francesa – GIRARDI HAS A PLAN. It doesn’t much matter what you think about his plan. Whether it works remains to me seen. But his moves kept us in first place for the majority of the season, not the whacked out gyrations of the frantic lohud knee jerkers.

    Sorry, my trust goes straight there.

  156. ConcernedCitizen September 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    @MG Thank you. Couldn’t of said it better myself.

  157. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    I am not even disputing whether Girardi is right or wrong to rest regulars. What I don’t care for is that he lies to the media and the fans.

    “We still have aspirations of winning our division and trying to get home-field advantage,” Girardi said.

    Nonsense. You do that by putting your best team on the field. Just tell the truth.

  158. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    RAB is not somewhere that I’d be comfortable commenting, but I do agree that their content is good.

    But, to me, it doesn’t matter how many people “blame” Joe Girardi or find fault with his managerial decisions over the past 3 weeks or so, he’s not the only culprit for some poor results and some poor play. It’s easy for people, especially some in the media (respected or not) to jump on a particular bandwagon. And it’s a lot easier to point to one person to make responsible for a situation than to actually take the time to look a little deeper and see that it’s not that simple.

    The wins were a team effort; the losses were a team “effort” or lack thereof. But we’ve gone over this so many times. And I don’t particular care if they “backed into” the playoffs. I don’t really believe that’s possible when you have the best or second best record in baseball (even if you could have been better).

  159. have a cigar September 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Francesa is going to soil his Depends if the Yanks actually start AJ in the ALDS.

    He just unequivocally stated that the Yanks were going w/CC, Andy & Phil.

  160. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    That spelling correction confirms that neither SoS nor GB7 are CR9.

    Just kidding. ;)

    Where’s my Indy lovin’ Spurs lickin’ pal?!

  161. blake September 29th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    MG,

    Correct. The Yanks need to win 3 of their last 4 to have any kind of realistic chance at the division….with the off day tomorrow tonights lineup should give some indication as to what value the Yankees are putting on the division vs WC….personally I hope they go for it.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    “@trisha Responding to the thread in general. IMHO, I don’t think its a great idea to concede the division. I realize the line up hasn’t been announced yet.”

    Concerned, I absolutely and unequivocally don’t believe for a minute they are conceding the division. That said, I think giving Pettitte more time off and having him pitch in Boston is the way to go. Or look at it this way. Would you rather have Andy or Javy face the Sux at home?

    As Francesa (and others here) continue to say. Girardi has a plan. Whether people agree with the plan is another story. But it isn’t like he’s flying by the seat of his pants, tossing a coin every day. Heck the guy got us this far. Let’s trust him a little longer. JMO

  163. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Trish as I have said before, you are a mindless cheerleader, not a knowledgeable baseball fan. No need for me to say it again, I’m done, you have every right to post what you want as I and others have the right to tell you how ridiculous it is.

  164. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    LOL! But that was not a spelling correction. It was a grammar correction. With the obsession WCYF has with Trisha, I doubt he has the little intelligence it would take to know the word “complementary”

    :)

  165. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    OMG!!!! She is quoting Francesa now!

  166. MG September 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    I’ve been critical of Girardi at times over the past few weeks not because I disagreed with his decisions (it doesn’t matter what I think of his decisions, he is the manager) but because he was deviating from the his managerial style in a variety of ways. I’m not the only one who has said this on multiple occasions, the list includes, among others, SJ, CB, Pat M., Blake, Joe from Long Island, and a bunch of others. While it may not seem significant when one person makes those kinds of comments, put all of us making them together and it’s pretty clear we have a point.

  167. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    CR( it was a typo believe what you will I don’t need your validation. Thanks though.

  168. REZ12 September 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    People are STILL beating this drum?

    Instead, Sabathia took the ball Tuesday night. While the big lefty rewarded his manager by clinching the playoff spot, in the big picture, it was the wrong move – one that may haunt Girardi and the Yankees next week.

    “We’re on board with whatever Joe wants to do,” one Yankee said. “I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite us in the end.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z10wOaI9Hw

  169. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    WCYF,

    We get it. You don’t like Girardi.

    We don’t think he’s perfect, but we at least take manager speak with a grain of salt.

    Our opinions don’t matter. Only those of the 25 guys who play for him. Until I hear otherwise, I believe they still respect him and play hard for him. I see slumps, others see it as Girardi’s lost this team. Really depends on your agenda.

  170. ConcernedCitizen September 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    @trisha I’ve never said anything negative about Girardi. I raise my eyebrows at his decisions sometimes (like any fan would), but I don’t bash him here game after game like some others do. I agree he has a plan.

    I think MG made good points above about tonight’s game being important to the division race. If we lose tonight, chances are we’re not getting HFA. Especially since the Sux will want to play the role of spoiler.

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Hey I have the best idea of all. And you’re all experts at it. Obssess all day about what Girardi’s doing to do tonight since you dont have a clue!

    This will be even funnier. Yankees lose tonight and still take the division because well the Rays, who have been floundering, well they end up having problems with the Royals, who have been known to give teams fits. And they play at Royal Stadium.

    But let MG keep you frightened and frozen in place because if they don’t win tonight it is OVAH!!!!!

  172. MG September 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    if I was the manager I would play the regulars tonight and go all out for a victory to put some pressure on the Rays. I would, though, move Andy back to the weekend so he was pitching in turn for game 2 or game 3 of the ALDS. Of course, if the Yankees open on the road, I would most likely pitch Hughes in game 2 and Andy in game 3-Target Field is a tough park to hit HRs and Hughes pitches really well in those parks.

  173. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Well if someone thinks Girardi is a liar, that’s a whole other ballgame, isn’t it?

    He and the rest of the team want the division and want HFA, but it seems to me they are all also cognizant of the issues their team has, and listening to Robbie last night, he said home field is nice, but you gotta play and you gotta play to win no matter where you play (paraphrasing).

    I also got the vibe from Swisher that this team believes it has gone through a lot and are glad to be where they are.

    No one wants the kill themselves and then be in no position to advance in the p layoffs at all. If they’re not healthy, their chances decrease. If they’re healthy, anything can happen still, but at least they’re able to compete at full strength (or close to it).

    Also, until anyone sees the lineup, you really shouldn’t judge.

    And, Javy is not a bad choice to start, AND Pettitte himself sounded relieved he did not HAVE to pitch tonight; he felt it was more important for him to get the rest now and be in line to have regular rest going into the playoffs. He made a comment that CC said the night before not to worry, that he had his back. I took that to mean, I’m gonna make sure you don’t have to pitch the following night.

    The only people having problems with this whole situation are people who are not on that team, it seems. (Though I’m sure, because nothing is ever 100%, there are some dissenters).

  174. Yanks78 September 29th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    “Of course, if the Yankees open on the road, I would most likely pitch Hughes in game 2 and Andy in game 3-Target Field is a tough park to hit HRs and Hughes pitches really well in those parks.”

    I agree.

  175. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I think you’re putting too much emphasis on Girardi as the reason for the Yankees’ success rather than the $200 million dollar payroll and ridiculous amount of talent on the team. If Girardi were managing the Pirates, you honestly believe his managing would get them to the top of the NL East? Me either. Everything is in proportion and some moves that Girardi have made have paid off, and some have not. The question is – and no one will ever know the answer – how many of his moves have given the Yankees the win despite the lack of production on either side of the ball, and how many of his moves have cost the Yankees a win despite the amount of talent on the team. Answer that – and you’ll know Girardi’s real worth.

    But like SJ said long ago, his most blatant mistake happened a few months ago by taking his foot off the accelerator around before the KC/Balt/TX/TB series’. I think we can all agree that he kinda fudged it up back there. Esp the last in a 3 game set in Balt where we were losing, came back, and then went for it and lost the game in extra innings and ended up using a bunch of players and arms that were supposed to be resting.

  176. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Concerned – you KNOW the Sux are going to want to play the role of spoiler. There are three games. Tell me which Yankees you put out there, especially since you know that we will be seeing Lester.

    I’m only talking pitching now, not regular players since one whiner in particular always has his total body in a twist since Andy isn’t pitching tonight.

    And by the way, nothing says that Javy won’t get the job done tonight.

  177. tyanksfan36 September 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Brett-er than Crawford Gardner
    Jeter the Cheater
    Lance Berkman
    Robbie hot shirt Cano
    Swishalicious
    The Grandy man can
    Walk on Juan Miranda
    Ramiro higher BA than Carlos Pena
    Cicso kid

  178. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    the following people have submitted lineups for today’s Special Edition of GTLU: There is a prize for the winner.

    Unknown
    upstate kate
    chuck58
    Erin
    sevrox
    Fran
    Noreaster
    jacksquat
    justinxdance27

  179. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    trisha,

    If Shakespeare resurrected into a Yankee fan, he was on last night and you were his muse.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Well, I wouldn’t quite label him William Shakespeare.

    More like a Norman Batespeare.

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    “Our opinions don’t matter. Only those of the 25 guys who play for him. Until I hear otherwise, I believe they still respect him and play hard for him. I see slumps, others see it as Girardi’s lost this team. Really depends on your agenda.

    Bingo.

    You should all be listening to the Francesa Show – something I don’t ever do but it happens to be on now – because the fans here seem to be in the minority about whether or not Girardi should be resting his regulars. To a person it appears they believe he should be.

  181. MG September 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    But let MG keep you frightened and frozen in place because if they don’t win tonight it is OVAH!!!!!
    —————————–
    I’m neither frightened or frozen in place, I’m just stating the facts about the Yankees situation. They can win the ALDS, ALCS, and WS without HFA and, in all likelihood, are going to have to do just that. But resting regulars tonight and giving them less than the best chance to win isn’t the way to put some pressure on the Rays and make them feel like they have to win 4 out of the next 5 to close them out. I don’t care if you like it or not and would have you on ignore if there were a way to do so.

  182. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Doreen @ your 1:35 pm post: Couldnt have said it better myself!

  183. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    m
    September 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    WCYF, We get it. You don’t like Girardi. We don’t think he’s perfect, but we at least take manager speak with a grain of salt. Our opinions don’t matter. Only those of the 25 guys who play for him. Until I hear otherwise, I believe they still respect him and play hard for him. I see slumps, others see it as Girardi’s lost this team. Really depends on your agenda.

    ******************************

    Thanks for the reasonable post m. Actually I was never a Girardi hater. I liked him when he got the job, I thought he was a gritty, tough, pro who would have the players respect and do a good job. He has for the most part IMO until this year. I won’t beat a dead horse by listing all the reasons again. Than ks.

  184. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    mel, I went back and read the posts and I seriously don’t know what to think. At first I was really tickled and complimented and pretty appreciative because yeah I definitely fought the good fight here. After a while, I thought it was someone just goofing on me and kind of poking fun at me. At this point I don’t know what to think. Seriously. It’s either one or the other, I don’t think there’s an inbetween, but I just don’t know which it is.

  185. blake September 29th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    By the start of the series at Fenway we should have a pretty good idea of what the chances of winning the division are. If the Yankees win tonight and Tampa loses either tonight or tomorrow then the door is still open. In that scenerio they would be tied with each team having 3 games left…if the yanks lose tonight then that’s pretty much it for the division.

  186. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    I think it’s pretty obvious that Phil and CC both need to get innings in in Boston; I’m surprised it’s that much of a decision.

  187. jackamir September 29th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    GOLSON-8
    NUNEZ- 6
    THAMES-DH
    KEARNS – 7
    MIRANDA – 3
    RUSSO – 4
    CURTIS – 9
    CERVELLI – 2
    PENA – 5

  188. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    tyanksfan36 -

    If your last post was an entry for GTLU, do you want Miranda or Berkman at 1st (or DH)?

  189. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    tyanksfan
    nice line up (well except for Jeter the Cheater)
    you are giving Chuck a run for best line up descriptions :)

  190. m September 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    WCYF,

    We’re all disappointed in how the team has plated since the ASB. But the postseason is a fresh slate. Something the vets understand.

  191. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I never root for a particular opponent; what’s the point? If you’re a WS team, you beat who you have to beat. Anyone think the Twins or Rangers are salivating over facing CC? or Price? This is the way of playoff baseball.

  192. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Anyone posting the AAA line up for tonight is (probably) crazy. Girardi will work it so a lot of players get back to back days off, meaning its more likely he’ll be splitting them between tonights and Fridays game.

  193. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    there are no guarantees in life; if the Rangers offer up enough $$, and it’s more than the Yankees want to commit to, then Lee will sign with Texas. We’ll have to wait and see.

    I don’t even watch MLB anymore – sounds like I didn’t miss a thing, lol

  194. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Shame Spencer -

    I think the AAA lineup may be what’s in the game at the end, but not to start. :)

  195. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Andy for me is something of a ? because he’s still rusty; let’s see how he does in Fenway. Even so, he’ll have had all of 3 starts – this is not a normal Andy we’re dealing with; we’re dealing with an essentially rehabbing Andy.

  196. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Betsy -

    The decision with CC and Phil may not be “whether,” but “how to go about it.” :)

  197. Tom in N.J. September 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Pat, here’s a blog post about Boswells’s PED claim:

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-night.php

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Sunny, sorry but you can’t have it both ways. You can’t accuse people of putting too much emphasis on Girardi as the reason the Yankees achieved but then turn around and point out the reasons that Girardi is the reason for the Yankees failure.

    I go back to saying that if you were honest with yourself and listed out each and every injury he’s dealt with, listed out the starting rotation and all the problems he has had with that, and then listed out all the games where the offense just went cold and necessitated him overworking an already overworked bullpen (starters have short innings, bullpen called into action) to try to hold down runs – and for the heck of it add in Mariano’s 6 blown saves – it is really disingenuous to pull out a point in time where you believe Girardi should have done something differently and call that the difference in where they are now. Come on, be real.

    I continue to go back to what Doreen said (sorry to keep quoting you Doreen) and that is the only person who knows what is going on with every player on his team is Girardi. He doesn’t need to give the fans a daily run down in order to justify whatever moves he makes. He knows who’s hurting, who’s struggling, who’s pitched too much lately and needs a bit of a break, etc.

    Sorry I find nothing believeable on a forum that lives to complain about any and every move and player and who would have sold off Granderson to the highest bidder not two months ago. Posters given to that kind of impatience just don’t have a ring of credibility to me when they are making judgments about Girardi’s managing.

    Has he made mistakes? He probably has. Has he made far more correct moves – whether or not they they worked out at the time? Absolutely yes.

  199. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Doreen – completely agreed. Especially depending on whats going on in other games.

  200. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    I do have a question for those that thought CC should not have pitched last night – who did you want?

  201. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    m September 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    WCYF, We’re all disappointed in how the team has plated since the ASB. But the postseason is a fresh slate. Something the vets understand.

    ****************

    Absolutely. As I said in my post above I think this team has a great shot at number 28 if we perform. I just hope that Girardi does not over manage, go by the book too much and make decisions that defy logic. He does things over and over that make no sense. Just one example, again, when he had Granderson bunt on 2-0 with Curtis on deck against a pitcher that Fangraphs showed had NEVER thrown anything other than a fastball behind in the count.

  202. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Trisha a mindless cheerleader? She is a undiscriminating flag-waver. She’s completely self-centered and annoying. She doesn’t have the capacity to accept contrary viewpoints.

    But I will say that she is not mindless. I think she’s intelligent, although I don’t believe she is capable of positive social interaction — in other words: high IQ, low EQ.

  203. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I would pitch Andy in game 2 because then he could go in game 5 if needed. If we’re down 2-0, then we’ll hope that Phil can come up big. On the other hand, I see the advantages of pitching Phil in Minny, but then we wouldn’t have Andy for game 5 if needed.

  204. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    And by the way, nothing says that Javy won’t get the job done tonight.

    -=-=-=-=-=-

    His 5.07 ERA and 1.36 WHIP says something to me about him not getting it done tonight. As well as his 3HBP from his last appearance. Vazquez hasn’t started since September 10, but regardless of his role, he hasn’t been pitching well this month, posting a 7.24 ERA in 13.2 innings, including allowing five runs in 4.2 innings against Toronto on September 4.

  205. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Doreen, true!

  206. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    And I will continue to say that my biggest disappointment is not having HFA in the world series. It is what it is, but if anything bothers me, that’s it. Yankees will have to be on the top of their game at that point. I believe they can and will do it.

    But I don’t see anything much more incredibly meaningful/important than closing out at home during the world series, when the whole enchilada is on the line.

  207. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    “I never root for a particular opponent; what’s the point? If you’re a WS team, you beat who you have to beat.”

    I disagree Betsy. What’s the point? Because some teams are more favorable matchups for other teams.

    You’ve heard the saying that “the best team doesn’t always win”? That’s often very true.

    Now, I cant tell you which is a better matchup, the Twins or the Rangers, but if I had my choice, I think I’d take HFA and the Rangers at home.

  208. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Although CC would have been on “normal” rest for the ALDS had he started Friday, je doesn’t strike me as a guy who would have a problem making the adjustment. He’s simply not a ‘routine-freak” like many starting pitchers are.

    And frankly, I believe Andy might prefer to pitch in Fenway with all the bells and whistles it entails. The Sox beat him up pretty badly last Fri. and that rivalry has been a big part of his career.

    Remember that this could be his regular season swan song. What better way to end a career than beating your sworn enemy in their house.

  209. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    I hate when I miss good TV conversation because I was at lunch :mad:

    For the record, John Stamos will always be Uncle Jess

  210. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    I just thought about an interesting bit of irony.

    Girardi gets regularly mashed here for playing “matchups” and percentages.

    And here we have people posting about the best matchups and percentages.

    Not being snarky – I just think it’s kind of interesting/funny/ironic. :)

  211. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    GGBG LF
    Granderson CF
    MPF Lance Berkman 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Thames DH
    Kearns RF
    Pena SS

    Thanks Doreen :-)

  212. Erica in NY September 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    How one knows they are out of GTLU practice-

    I wrote out the line up and then counted 8 guys and it took me 4 whole minutes to figure out which position I was missing

  213. Cashmoney September 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I thought Axisa’s take on CC was overblown and said so on RAB. Too many ppl care about the perception being consider ‘panicky’ and potential 8 days rest in balancing with benefit of clinching.

    RAB also hates the idea of bunting , i find it really really funny

  214. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    My point is – how much of his moves are successful because he has a team full of All-Stars and how much of them aren’t because he’s overmanaging? Doesn’t matter what goes on in the clubhouse or not. My point revolves around the fact that just about any semi-functional manager would be successful on this team. From Scoccia, to Gardenhire, to probably even Showalter. So sure, he’s been successful… but how much of that is because he’s managing the Yankees instead of the Pirates? Half the battle is just letting the team play. But for all the teams success, how much of it really is on Girardi, and how much if it is just the overwhelming talent on the team. Jeter, Arod, Texiera, Cano, Granderson, Swisher, Posada, Gardner, Thames, Berkman… CC, Pettitte, Hughes, Mo, Wood, Robertson, AJ, Logan, Joba… even Jerry Manual could squeak out a winning team from that abundance of talent.

  215. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    And Granderson’s turn around has more to do with Long’s teachings than Girardi’s managing. I think you’re overstating that case. It was Granderson who approached Long. Girardi had nothing to do with it.

    And let’s not forget, that almost all of Girardi’s self-appointed staff from his first year in 08 was dismissed by Cashman.

  216. pat September 29th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Tom in NJ

    Thanks. Neyer also wrote about it too.

  217. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Doreen – that’s correct, but I think Girardi takes it about 10 steps further going from lineup vs pitchers (as discussed here) to individual at bat to individual at bat based on ridiculously small sample sizes (i.e., having seen a reliever 3 times to the other batters none).

  218. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    “But resting regulars tonight and giving them less than the best chance to win isn’t the way to put some pressure on the Rays and make them feel like they have to win 4 out of the next 5 to close them out”

    Unless you have some special insight that the rest of us don’t have, you have no idea who he’s playing tonight, other than Vazquez.

  219. LGY September 29th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    M

    Originally I was against starting cc because I wanted him on normal rest for game 1. I didn’t think it was the end of the world though like mike a.

    However pat made a great point about following last years schedule in regards to starts before 3 days rest. If he went Friday that could have been 3 starts in 10 days if he started game 4.

    After pat pointed that out I was for it.

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    “His 5.07 ERA and 1.36 WHIP says something to me about him not getting it done tonight. As well as his 3HBP from his last appearance. Vazquez hasn’t started since September 10, but regardless of his role, he hasn’t been pitching well this month, posting a 7.24 ERA in 13.2 innings, including allowing five runs in 4.2 innings against Toronto on September 4.”

    You don’t know what Javy will do tonight. Neither do it. In any event, resting Andy IMO is unequivocally the best decision. This is a guy who recently came back from being injured. Let him rest and let him go up against the better team at this point, the Sux. If you want to win them all you want to win them all, not just tonight but then the hell with the weekend. Don’t forget who will be pitching for the Sux this weekend.

    This is where Girardi has it all over posters behind a keyboard. He has to think moves ahead. People here think one game at a time.

  221. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    CR, I just don’t believe in doing it…….that’s all. If others want to root, that’s fine.

  222. LGY September 29th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    WCYF

    You are going to have to better than hurling personal insults at trisha. That won’t get you anywhere on that front except for a patented YAWN.

    You are going to have to come up with some original commentary one of these days instead of the same recyclyed stuff if you want to come out on top in your running argument with trisha

  223. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    sunny615 -

    With all due respect, I think there are some here who, if they had access to all the stats Girardi has, would do the same thing. Some people are just inclined that way.

    I have to ask you if you hold every manager who’s taken a very talented team to the playoffs to the same standard as you’re holding Girardi?

    The Yankees may pay more to their talent, but they don’t have the best players in the league or leagues at every position. So I don’t want to hear about payroll. It’s about talent and performance.

  224. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Betsy, you’re trying to reason with CR9?? This is a guy who was laughing histerically last night over the fact that someone misspelled Jed’s Lowrie’s name as Jew Lowery.

    Some people don’t even deserve a reply.

  225. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    But was there any crying need to have CC throw 111 pitches last night?

  226. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Girardi drives me a little batty at times but I think the criticism goes with the job. There is no such thing as a perfect manager.

    A manager flips a switch. Sometimes the light shines brightly and the move is deemed good. Sometimes the fuse blows and he’s an idiot.

    Does he rely too heavily on matchups and his book? In my opinion, probably.

    But my opinion and 2.25 $ will get you on the subway.

  227. m September 29th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    We’re still playing for the division. Rest Swisher, and if you must Tex. Alex can have tomorrow off. :)

    I love how someone yelled at Cash for f’in with a championship. Who built the damn thing?

  228. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Some of those responses in the RAB article on Lee were a joke………trade Hughes and much of the farm system for Felix, etc……

    YankFan, I wasn’t sure who made that comment……..I was upset about it this morning.

  229. m September 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    oops, forgot to mention they wanted Cash gone for f’in with the championship team.

  230. tyanksfan36 September 29th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Doreen- I want Miranda at 1st and berkman at DH. Is Cecil a lefty? I know we’ve seen him like 10 times this season but I can’t remember. If so then my lineup stands no chance.

  231. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    LGY
    September 29th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    WCYF – You are going to have to better than hurling personal insults at trisha. That won’t get you anywhere on that front except for a patented YAWN. You are going to have to come up with some original commentary one of these days instead of the same recyclyed stuff if you want to come out on top in your running argument with trisha.

    ******************************

    I have previously posted on more than one occasion a lengthy rationale on my issues with Girardi and other relevant Yankee topics. I am not going to repeat myself over and over and I am not interested in a blog competition with Trisha. There is none.

  232. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    tyanks
    Cecil is a lefty

  233. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    At this point, it will take a lot for the Yankees to win the division. They need to make up two games in the loss column, because TB owns the tie-breaker. It would have been nice if Girardi had been more aggressive two weeks ago, but we are where we are.

    Given the current position, he should rest some guys on turf tonight and others in Boston. Going to Minnesota is not the worst thing.

  234. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    sunny615 -

    I will add, though, when you have a talented team it is difficult to know what, if anything, ANY manager has to do with the end result of the season. Unless there are outward signs of disgruntled players, disharmony in the clubhouse, those kinds of things. It seems to me that Girardi has, for the most part, kept his team on the same page. He must do a satisfactory job of talking about his agenda to them. Plus, he does do a tremendous job with the bullpen. The only time the bullpen cracks is in the beginning of the season, when it’s still kind of formulating itself, and anytime the starters faulter and they are over-extended. That’s not unimportant. And he’s doing it with guys who are not stars out there (with the exception of Mariano, of course).

    Not every decision he makes is the right one. Name me one manager who’s ever decision is.

    And perhaps the Yankees could hire Moby on the street to manage those guys; I don’t think so. I think you still have to be able to corral the talent, and on a team that has injured, aching, older players, you need to be able to work with that – keep that team as healthy as possible for the long haul.

    I said before that losing Nick Johnson for the entire year had an impact on how Girardi scheduled his rest for the other guys; it wasn’t helped by the other odd injuries that occurred during the course of the season; and it certainly wasn’t helped by the timing of some of the injuries, specifically to Swisher and Gardner and ARod’s calf.

    And I don’t recall anyone giving Girardi credit for Grandy’s decision to work with Long.

  235. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Jew Lowrie ….. LMAO!!!!!! YankFanCA … get over yourself … really!

  236. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Doreen – the payroll pays for the talent and performance. You can’t ignore one just for the sake of the other. The Yankees have the best talent at most positions in baseball because they PAID for it. CC, Arod, Tex, and to a certain extent, Jeter, Posada, Mo, and Pettitte. If the Yankees were a small market team do you all honestly believe those core four would still be with the Yankees? If this were the Marlins, how many of those core four would have taken home team discounts to stay with this team? I guarantee you none. They have talent because they can afford to keep the talent. To blatantly disregard payroll because it doesn’t suit your argument is disingenuous. You have to at least acknowledge it plays a role in the continued success of the team.

    Who in the offseason is going to offer more for Cliff Lee than the Yankees? Who? Who else in the majors will have two $100+ million dollar aces in their rotation (from free agent signings)? Name one.

  237. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Why not have Javy start tonight? He can’t be any worse than AJ, and there needs to be a 4th starter for the play offs.

  238. tyanksfan36 September 29th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Erica, I did the same thing with my lineup. I always forget the DH. Today I almost left out 3rd base but put 2 DH’s.

  239. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Thanks, tyanksfan36 – I entered that. :)

  240. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Sure, Aldo, go ahead and continue the ethnic slurs. Shows a lot of class and character. You’re pathetic.

  241. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    “And Granderson’s turn around has more to do with Long’s teachings than Girardi’s managing. I think you’re overstating that case. It was Granderson who approached Long. Girardi had nothing to do with it.”

    And MY point is that if the genius posters on this forum, who are always ready to tell Girardi how to manage, had anything to do with it, Granderson would have been off the team long ago. I don’t care how Grandy turned his game around, he did. And by the way, there were still a group of us who had Grandy’s back, much because he HAD contributed to winning some games, and he DID make some outstanding plays in the outfield. Most of all, because we recognized that baseball is a marathon and not a sprint, and that players who are struggling can find their way back.

    The hallmark of the complainers on this forum, whether you are willing to admit it or not, is that when a player isn’t getting the job done, you all are ready to get rid of him like yesterdays trash. And that includes some of the more reasonable posters like SJ. You all expect them to act like your little wind-up toys. Your overarching understanding of the game of baseball goes out the window as soon as the Yankees take the field, because then, it’s that they have to do it perfectly (read: your way) or they are a problem. If they go into extended slumps, you turn on them like vipers. It’s always complaining, never appreciating or understanding.

    If the Yankees were in 4th place, I strongly doubt that 3/4 of the people on this forum would be around cheering them on. But I bet I could name to a person those who would be.

    **************

    The biggest and loudest Girardi detractors on this forum couldn’t waste enough cyberspace screaming about how INCONSISTENT he was being with resting players. It was a theme that took on legs. It was all about not resting Robby also.

    Then others of us didn’t really see it as inconsistency because he was resting players who were injured. Last year he did the same thing. It was Matsui and it was Damon primarily. Injured players. Yet he was being accused of doing things differently. It certainly wasn’t I who articulated the actual consistency in what he was doing – and if I can go back and find the post I will because it was so well explained – but when people are flipping out they tend to ignore posts like that.

    Two nights ago on the Manager’s Show one of the first thing Girardi confronted was the allegation of inconsistency. And you know what he said? There was nothing inconsistent in what he was doing, he was resting his players who were hurt or who had been injured.

    Why is it that a group of posters here were able to find their way to understanding that immediately but another group just couldn’t get there? Because he wasn’t doing it YOUR way? You all wanted Robby rested? That’s different from saying that he was inconsistent in what he was doing.

    **************

    Because I will always have the team’s back and don’t turn on them or the manager when the chips are down, I have an easier time attempting to understand whether there might be other explanations for things than those being but out here, especially those that are put out in total anger and frenzy.

  242. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “Why not have Javy start tonight? He can’t be any worse than AJ, and there needs to be a 4th starter for the play offs.”

    Interesting point Kate. Tonight could be some sort of audition. Kudos for thinking of that.

  243. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    sunny615 -

    Salary does not guarantee performance, though. And the same guys on other teams would make less. Yankees salaries are inflated.

  244. tyanksfan36 September 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Kate, thanks. I had a feeling he was cause I remember reading they were facing 2 lefties this trip. I might have to redo my whole lineup

  245. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Doren – for the record – I was not disparaging Girardi, I said that you cannot honestly know any managers real worth because no one can know if a managers decisions were positive because he made to move or because the team had the talent to execute it. (nor unable to execute it). I never claimed he was a bad manager – just one that has a severe tendency to overmanage based on sometimes irrelevant statisitical analysis.

    I also said that just about any competent manager (not joe shmoe off the street) would find a winning season managing a team with the talent and resources like the Yankees. You’d have to be a real nincompoop to turn this Yankee team into a perennial sub .500 team.

  246. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    YankfanCA – Seriously? I laughed at it because it was just a misspelling. I dont even think Loser Lowrie is Jewish anyways. Truly, get over it! Since when is “Jew” racist? Im part Jew; is that racist, you jerk? :)

  247. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Wave, I was wondering the same thing as you, did CC really need to throw so many pitches last night? The more I think about it though, the less I worry, simply because he’ll have an extended rest before his first playoff start with maybe a short outing this weekend out of the bullpen.

  248. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Calling Jed Lowrie, Jew Lawrie, is most definitely offensive.

  249. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Patrick – First, I didnt call him that. Someone else misspelled his name. I laughed, because the term “Jew” is not offensive. Im a Jew!

  250. blake September 29th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I was initially against CC starting yesterday also as I thought that he had preferred to be on normal rest for game 1. After the fact though I’m sure that they discussed it with CC and got his input and going for the clinch last night also allows them to line everything else up and still have a shot at the division….so I’m fine with it.

  251. Tom in N.J. September 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    I don’t understand how somebody could find that funny….

  252. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Im not getting sucked into this conversation again. This was all some feeble attempt by SAS to paint me as a racist….. when there’s only one thing in life Im prejudiced against, Bostonians, and rightfully so!

  253. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    sunny615 -

    I understand that the Yankees are in the best position financially than every other team. And that means they can get and keep whatever players they want, for the most part.

    But I still hold that there is no correlation between what a guy gets paid and how he performs on the field, necessarily. Perhaps it should – but it doesn’t always. Example One: AJ Burnett.

    But we’re talking about managing the team.

    And I think Girardi is a good manager who’s made some mistakes. Which i about par for the course.

  254. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    True, but the Yankees are very careful about who they dole out the high salaries to. The Tex’s and Arod’s and CC’s of the world only. And soon Cliff Lee’s. They pay for consistently high performance and talent. Not for the contract year surge. (see Beltre, Adrian). The talent on the team is there because a) the Yankees scout it, b) the pay for it, and c) if they keep performing at a high level, the pay to keep it.

    They can pay because they can afford it. Sure the salaries are inflated to the tune of 40 cents on the dollar and the Yankees know that. But they will pay through the nose to get those consistently high performance talents like the CC’s and Cliff Lee’s of the world. How much do you think the Indians hate the Yankees because they can’t afford to do what the Yankees can?

  255. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    sunny615 -

    I’m not trying to argue with you. Just stating my point of view. And I’m sorry I missed the part about “competent manager” – it’s indeed an important distinction. :)

  256. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    CR9 — I don’t care what you are; you’re often more Homo Habilis than Homo Sapiens, in my opinion. Just try to act like you’re older than 12. I know you have tremendous difficulty controlling yourself; but that doesn’t excuse the behavior.

  257. Eduardo September 29th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    “I don’t understand how somebody could find that funny….”

    @Tom I do not see what the uproar is about.

    Jew (j)
    n.
    1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.

    Jew is not anti-Semite.

  258. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    sunny615 -

    But we’re talking about managing the team.

    And I think Girardi is a good manager who’s made some mistakes. Which i about par for the course.

    Doreen – I’m not arguing that point. Like I mentioned earlier, I never said he was a baffoon. But mostly that no one here can say he’s a great manager or a baffoon because the true way to measure the success of his decisions is intertwined with the amount of talent on the team.

    The Sux flopped hard this year. Was that because of Tito or because the talent was injured? Same reasoning.

  259. Cashmoney September 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    we are all some form of ‘homo’ , can’t we just get along?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSy1jDMwKg

  260. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    YankfanCA – There was no behavior to excuse. I did nothing wrong :)

    On to a better topic of conversation, Manchester United need to attain 3 points out of today’s Champions League match!

  261. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    CR9, I’m not saying your anti-semitic. Its my opinion that making a play on someone’s name like “Jew Lawrie” is offensive, but that’s just my opinion. Is Lawrie even jewish? I have no idea

  262. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Oh whoops, CR9 I know you care about grammar/spelling so I should probably correct my error. I meant to say “I’m not saying you’re … ” rather than your.

  263. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Doreen – And I’m not trying to argue with you either. To me, this is an intelligent, respectful conversation on the merits of baseball managing.

  264. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    sunny615 -

    It is true, especially in recent years, that the Yankees are careful about who they’re going to spend their money on.

    I’m sure most of the other teams don’t like it much that they can’t hold onto their stars, although it does seem like some teams are trying to identify at least a player or two that they feel they can make the investment on (off the top of my head – Longoria with the Rays) while they’re young.

    I guess bottom line is something seems off when a guy has to take all the blame if things go wrong and gets none of the credit if things go right. Just rubs me the wrong way. I feel like the players have gotten a pass here – they certainly have enough talent on that team to survive resting a player or two. You can’t deny that in some of those losses, the blame falls squarely on a player who couldn’t get a lousy sac fly with the bases loaded and none or one out; and as much as I hate to say it, Mariano having a slump at the worst time of year.

    I can’t disagree with the idea that the Yankees are at a financial advantage – that would be lunacy on my part.

  265. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    I don’t see why Kevin Long would sign another contract to be anyone’s hitting coach.

    Given his uncanny ability to correct even career-long hitting deficiencies, as a free-lance batting consultant he could make millions. Imagine how much a career platoon-hitter would pay to have the problem fixed. Imagine how much an ordinary hitter would pay to become even 10% better, or how much an All-Star would pay to morph into a potential Hall of Famer.

    Even small improvements in a player’s hitting would return big dividends when it is time for that next free agent contract. I see big potential here.

  266. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Patrick – I wouldnt think Lowrie is, and I wouldnt care either. I knew it was a misspell, that’s why I laughed, there’s nothing wrong with that. lol @ your grammar, etc. I wouldnt care about your misspelling, because you’re not a dirtpile! :)

  267. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    sunny615 -

    I wonder if there are any truly great managers? I think the other type is easier to identify?

  268. Patrick September 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Haha thanks CR9, at least I have that going for me.

  269. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Since when is the word Jew racist or offensive? Unless you happen to be offended at the thought of being one? In which case … pot – kettle – black … OK?

  270. Cashmoney September 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    The Yankees are at a tremendous financial advantage, a huge reason why they are competitive every year.

    Thus They can afford to get a thief and a loser like Javy 11.5 million and keep on ticking.,
    They need to release him after tonight’s game. He is a jinx to any playoff teams!

  271. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    sunny615 -

    Francona is a good manager. Very good. He kept that team, without Pedroia and Youkilis, relevant up to the last week of the season. He also managed, for the longest time, to keep Manny being Manny from being a problem on his club. Until Manny himself made it impossible.

  272. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    CR9 — It’s hardly your worst transgression. I believe you also teed off on Pete Abe as well — attacking him and his, shall we say, girth. We know you hate the fact that he writes for a Boston newspaper, but try to keep the barbs from being too personal.

  273. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Doreen, much as I dislike anything Red Sox, I am forced to agree with you about Francona. He did a remarkable job keeping them relevant this season until near the end.

  274. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    AldotheApache -

    Ever hear about “context?” “Stereotyping?”

    Civilized people try to get along and try not to knowingly offend.

  275. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    The WCYF character has berated Trisha for weeks, so I figured if he was going to try and criticize her, he may as well use the correct vocabulary…..and if not, I’d try to educate him.

    I hope this doesn’t offend you, but I dont agree with the “making a play on a name” being offensive. For example, if Kevin Youkilis were a Yankee, Id love him, and Id make a play on his name in an affectionate manner. Im sure you can figure out what the play on his name would be.

  276. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    In my mind, even the most successful ballplayer is going to be unsuccessful two thrids of the time. Two thirds. Even the best hitters in the league – Mauer and Cano – are going to play to average – and they’re successful around 1/3 of the time. And these are the overpaid best of the league. No one can hold a ballplayer to 100% success all the time. Just not possible.

    Every team will have their one – Mauer (Twins), Longoria (Rays), H. Ramirez (Marlins), Soriano (Cubs – sorry guys), Markakis (O’s), etc that teams build around. Very few teams can do it with almost every position. The amount of sheer talent on the team is – to me – amazing. On both sides of the ball. And it’s going to get even more ridiculous next year with Cliff Lee.

  277. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    YankFanCA, the only posts I see here that are getting personal are yours, towards other posters’ opinions and comments.

    Amazing!

  278. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    “You are going to have to come up with some original commentary one of these days instead of the same recyclyed stuff if you want to come out on top in your running argument with trisha.”

    He has none, and that is why he is doomed to cower in his surreal pad on the west coast, afraid of his own shadow and unable to bask in the wonder of the Yankees making it to their 15th postseason in 16 years. Because he’s stuck somewhere back in August.

    So I will repeat something I said earlier so he cannot say he didn’t see it.

    ***********************

    I go back to saying that if you were honest with yourself and listed out each and every injury he’s dealt with, listed out the starting rotation and all the problems he has had with that, and then listed out all the games where the offense just went cold and necessitated him overworking an already overworked bullpen (starters have short innings, bullpen called into action) to try to hold down runs – and for the heck of it add in Mariano’s 6 blown saves – it is really disingenuous to pull out a point in time where you believe Girardi should have done something differently and call that the difference in where they are now. Come on, be real.

    I continue to go back to what Doreen said (sorry to keep quoting you Doreen) and that is the only person who knows what is going on with every player on his team is Girardi. He doesn’t need to give the fans a daily run down in order to justify whatever moves he makes. He knows who’s hurting, who’s struggling, who’s pitched too much lately and needs a bit of a break, etc.

    Sorry I find nothing believeable on a forum that lives to complain about any and every move and player and who would have sold off Granderson to the highest bidder not two months ago. Posters given to that kind of impatience just don’t have a ring of credibility to me when they are making judgments about Girardi’s managing.

    Has he made mistakes? He probably has. Has he made far more correct moves – whether or not they they worked out at the time? Absolutely yes.

    *********************

    Also for anyone still hung up on the inconsistency argument – there is none.

  279. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Aldo — I’m not Jewish. But laughing like a child over the misspelling is something you’d expect from a fifth grader.

  280. Tom in N.J. September 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    That’s what I was refering to, Eduardo.

    It was a typo- they happen all the time.

    The word itself isn’t offensive…

  281. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I will agree on Francona. He did a terrific job without some very key pieces. It may benefit them to have gotten such a long look at some of the AAA players.

  282. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Doreen
    yet Francona is also attacked by some of the sox fans…as is Maddon by rays fans, when he totally turned that franchise around (OK, getting good draft picks helped)
    Managers never get the credit when things are going well (the 8 game winning streak) but get all the blame when there are problems.
    I certainly don’t think Girardi is perfect, but he also is not to blame when players don’t perform up to their usual potential.

  283. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    I agree on Francona as well. However, if any have ever looked at Boston Extra Bases, they berate him for his bullpen management, mainly his use of Okajima :)

  284. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Doreen, I’m familiar with both context and stereotyping as well as comprehension of the language.

    Please … tell me where the stereotyping is? It was a misspelling which was used by YankFanCA as an excuse to insult another poster.

    Any other interpretation is a total reach or an outright fabrication.

  285. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Francona does perhaps go too often to Okajima. And for all the Sox fans’ ranting about Papelbon’s failures: check out Bard’s numbers over the past month. Not pretty.

  286. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    sunny615 -

    I wonder if there are any truly great managers? I think the other type is easier to identify?

    I would agree. It’s always easier to identify the really poor manager than the truly great ones. All good managers tho, produce teams that play above their heads consistently – no matter who’s on the roster. But in the end, I think the defining discriminator is time.

  287. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Bard’s numbers are down because he’s been overworked all year. Completely understandable. It would be smart of the Sox to shut him down for the season effective immediately.

  288. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Hey Aldo, with CR9 we have a encyclopedia of material to choose from. Not sure where you’ve been, but we try to verbally sedate him from time to time.

  289. SoS September 29th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I dont care what you think of me, but I know Pedroia is Hobbitian and Youk is Org.

  290. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Until there is a team that goes 162-0, no manager will escape a season unscathed.

  291. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    I remember someone did “make that play” on Youkilis’ name and guess what? People got offended.

    The intention is irrelevant.

    If your words happen to offend someone, you should apologize and drop it. That’s what any good “human” would do.

    Only a Red Sock would allow it to fester like it has.

  292. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Here is an updated list of people submitting lineups for GTLU – SE:

    Unknown
    upstate kate
    chuck58
    Erin
    sevrox
    Fran
    Noreaster
    jacksquat
    justinxdance27
    tyanksfan36
    jackamir
    Erica

  293. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    sunny — 155 – 7 would satisfy most of us :)

  294. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Because of the unbalanced schedule, I know the AL east teams so much better. However, I have to say that Gardenhire, from what I know of him, is a very good manager. Granted he is in a weaker division, but year after year the Twins lose talent and are almost always in the mix. They easily won their (weak) division despite losing Nathan for the season, the Morneau injury, etc

  295. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    YankFanCA, knock yourself out, but you’ll do it without my participation. I’m not into insulting fellow Yankees fans.

    As for where I’ve been? Uhhh, rooting for the Yankees for the pastg fifty years, that’s where I’VE been, sonny jim.

  296. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Jeers – Well, I never made spelled Lowrie’s name like that, so there was nothing for me to apologize for. All I can do is just drop it and move on, which Ive tried to do. But for those that are so dumbfounded as to how I could find something like that funny, I am one myself and I will always find it funny if used in an affectionate manner.

  297. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    hey SoS
    good to see you…M was looking for you earlier

  298. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    AldotheApache -

    I was here last night. I KNOW that the original post was a typo. That wasn’t what caused the problem because the guy who posted the typo immediately corrected himself. It was what happened afterward that turned everything sour.

    It should have been a dead subject last night. That’s all.

  299. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    upstate kate, I agree Gardenhire is a very good manager. He also has one of the best scouting departments in the game to provide him with talent.

  300. Joe from Long Island September 29th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    sunny – re: Joe Girardi’s coaching staff – only Bobby Meacham was let go after 2008. He was replaced as 3rd base coach by Rob Thomson, who was originally the bench coach. Tony Pena then was moved off 1st to the bench job, and Mick Kelleher was promoted from their minor league system to replace Pena as 1st base coach.

    Dave Eiland, Mike Harkey, and Kevin Long were all kept in place.

  301. playing hurt September 29th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Of course none of it had to do with the rotation not performing, Andy being injured, the offense not delivering RISP (what was it, 32 players left on base in one series?), playing through injuries and being without the services of Aceves and Marte. And Mariano blowing 6 saves. (That would have been 6 more wins right there.) It was ALL about indecisive yada yada yada yada. But what a hell of a job that indecisive yada yada yada did of keeping the Yankees in first place for most of the regular season.

    Simply amazing.

    “Unfortunately, I think we all know that despite Girardi’s lip service to the contrary, this team will not be making the effort to get that done. Girardi is just out and out lying to the media and the fans when he says they are. Pettitte stepping aside for Vazquez today is just the first indication of that”

    Of course it has NOTHING to do with wanting Andy to pitch in the more dangerous series coming up, something he couldn’t do if he pitches tonight.

    Yep, he doesn’t want HFA at all. He doesn’t need to worry about setting up his rotation and getting things in order. Just blow it all out right now to prove to one insecure fan that he really does want HFA.
    “You are going to have to come up with some original commentary one of these days instead of the same recyclyed stuff if you want to come out on top in your running argument with trisha.”

    He has none, and that is why he is doomed to cower in his surreal pad on the west coast, afraid of his own shadow and unable to bask in the wonder of the Yankees making it to their 15th postseason in 16 years. Because he’s stuck somewhere back in August.

    So I will repeat something I said earlier so he cannot say he didn’t see it.

    ***********************

    I go back to saying that if you were honest with yourself and listed out each and every injury he’s dealt with, listed out the starting rotation and all the problems he has had with that, and then listed out all the games where the offense just went cold and necessitated him overworking an already overworked bullpen (starters have short innings, bullpen called into action) to try to hold down runs – and for the heck of it add in Mariano’s 6 blown saves – it is really disingenuous to pull out a point in time where you believe Girardi should have done something differently and call that the difference in where they are now. Come on, be real.

    I continue to go back to what Doreen said (sorry to keep quoting you Doreen) and that is the only person who knows what is going on with every player on his team is Girardi. He doesn’t need to give the fans a daily run down in order to justify whatever moves he makes. He knows who’s hurting, who’s struggling, who’s pitched too much lately and needs a bit of a break, etc.

    Sorry I find nothing believeable on a forum that lives to complain about any and every move and player and who would have sold off Granderson to the highest bidder not two months ago. Posters given to that kind of impatience just don’t have a ring of credibility to me when they are making judgments about Girardi’s managing.

    Has he made mistakes? He probably has. Has he made far more correct moves – whether or not they they worked out at the time? Absolutely yes.

    *********************

    Also for anyone still hung up on the inconsistency argument – there is none.

    “@trisha Responding to the thread in general. IMHO, I don’t think its a great idea to concede the division. I realize the line up hasn’t been announced yet.”

    Concerned, I absolutely and unequivocally don’t believe for a minute they are conceding the division. That said, I think giving Pettitte more time off and having him pitch in Boston is the way to go. Or look at it this way. Would you rather have Andy or Javy face the Sux at home?

    As Francesa (and others here) continue to say. Girardi has a plan. Whether people agree with the plan is another story. But it isn’t like he’s flying by the seat of his pants, tossing a coin every day. Heck the guy got us this far. Let’s trust him a little longer. JMO
    ——————————————————–

    Truer words has never been uttered …. simply divine . Applauded!

  302. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    sunny615-

    I agree, it’s looking back that you get the best idea of who was truly a great manager, and even then, what goes into making any one particular guy great can be totally different from what made another guy equally great.

    But I disagree about a manager going 162-0 going unscathed. Undoubtedly, it will be said that any idiot could have managed a team with the talent to go 162-0! :)

  303. Eduardo September 29th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    It should have been a dead subject the moment after it happened. There was no intent to be anti-Semitic despite the efforts of some to make it seem like that.

  304. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    sunny — 155 – 7 would satisfy most of us
    —-

    I think you meant half :D

    —-

    Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    sunny615-

    I agree, it’s looking back that you get the best idea of who was truly a great manager, and even then, what goes into making any one particular guy great can be totally different from what made another guy equally great.

    But I disagree about a manager going 162-0 going unscathed. Undoubtedly, it will be said that any idiot could have managed a team with the talent to go 162-0!

    —-

    LOL!!

  305. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Eduardo expresses my point better than I did.

  306. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Truer words has never been uttered …. simply divine . Applauded!

    ———————————————————————————————-

    That’s it? Your inspiration is among us and that’s all you can come up with?

    Let it flow man. Don’t be shy.

  307. SoS September 29th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Always good to see upstate kate.
    When mel is looking for me its usually for my famous misspelled words. I should be hearing from her in 3-2-1.

  308. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    If the Yanks went 155-7 there would be an uproar about those 7 games they lost – so close to perfection etc. and then the manager would be scolded… ;)

    Wow… Just a no win for any manager… Makes me not want to be a manager. :)

  309. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    trisha is playing hurt.

    [end joke]

  310. playing hurt September 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Vitriol and vile words were uttered against one who had chuckled mirthfully at the small folly of another. Those cast stones with their self righteous wrath occasion on an innocuous gesture are the one who needs to apologize for lack of prospectives and their vast distortion of the reality.

    Carry on Mirthful one , Carry on!

  311. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    It is a no-win situation for any manager of the Yankees – except for of course the prestige and the money. There will always be some fans that think they know more or have more information than the manager.

  312. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    I haven’t been one of those criticizing Girardi for resting players, but it seems to me the LoHud comment section is a perfectly appropriate place to criticize him for it if you want to. I don’t get all this hostility directed at the criticisms.

    I don’t think the position that you can’t criticize Joe because you don’t know all the facts is logically any more compelling than criticizing Joe when you don’t know all the facts.

    In either case, we don’t know all the facts. So, you can be wrong either way.

    It seems to me the more interesting approach is to criticize or defend Joe with the facts you know, and leave the unknown facts out of it.

  313. LGY September 29th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    There’s Something About Trisha

    playing hurt= http://justgivemethestats.file.....elliot.jpg

  314. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    “Vitriol and vile words were uttered against one who had chuckled mirthfully at the small folly of another. Those cast stones with their self righteous wrath occasion on an innocuous gesture……vast distortion of the reality”

    Thanks! That was simply perfection! None of these people should be casting stones, for they live in glass houses!

  315. upstate kate September 29th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    SoS
    I think M was looking for you for some basketball or football chat

  316. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    What is the status on Morneau for the postseason? Is he expected back?

  317. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/s1760199.shtml?cat=1

    YankfanCA – It says he’s likely done for season, but no official word. Im not going to cheer or anything disrespectful like that, but if Morneau is out for the season, I would much rather face the Twins in the 1st round than the Rangers.

  318. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    The Twins were on fire without Morneau in the lineup, until their clinched and started resting their regulars.

  319. YankFanCA September 29th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    CR( — I agree with you. The Rangers match up better against the Yankees, in my opinion.

  320. SoS September 29th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Thanks u.k.. I love having Kome talks with mel. Ill have to get in more often.

    Have a good day fellas.

  321. Bret The Hitman September 29th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    The Rangers definitely have the resources to offer Cliff Lee the same money as CC Sabathia. Can anyone really see the Yankees going there? Even if the Yankees ballpark that offer or match it, Lee will have to consider the tax difference in TX versus NY.

    I’m really not panicked about it though.

    Pettitte will probably return plus there’s a stockpile of talent available that can be used to trade for a #2 starter behind CC who makes half what Lee will make.

  322. AldotheApache September 29th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Wave Your Hat, your take works both ways. This is the venue for expressing an opinion on Joe’s managerial abilities, as well as expressing one’s disagreement with said opinion.

  323. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Trisha – you find no fault with Girardi because you have an agenda, that’s what you push, and that’s why you have no credibility. Of course, you can’t deal with facts. There are literally dozens and dozens of examples of poor Girardi moves, the problem is no one remembers them. I can’t go through every one but I will deal with a few. There is a reason we almost didn’t make the post-season. Girardi is not the only reason but he is a prominent one.

    The Yankees or another American League team lost home-field advantage in the World Series because Girardi embarrassed himself managing in the All-Star game. In the 9th inning he had no moves to make because he had used everyone, even though he had the largest roster in history, 34 players. As if that wasn’t bad enough, he let Big Papi run the bases where he got thrown out at second after a base hit. Oh did I mention he didn’t play A-Rod and ditched Beltre despite him being ok to play?

    Let’s look at one example against the Rays recently. Why did Girardi take out Boone Logan after facing only one batter, replacing him with Gaudin? This despite the fact that the Rays had five left-handed bats on the bench. And what about using Gaudin and Mitre in a first place battle with the Rays September 13th and that horrible 3-0 loss to Tampa at the beginning of August. No Alex Rodriguez. no Brett Gardner, no Mark Teixeira playing first and Kearns starting in left. Before the game, Girardi says that Wood is a one inning guy, then after a long flight with a new yeam he uses him for two. Of course he comes apart the second inning and is replaced by guess who? Chad Gaudin. There are so many more going back to Texas and earlier.

  324. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    “Vitriol and vile words were uttered against one who had chuckled mirthfully at the small folly of another. Those cast stones with their self righteous wrath occasion on an innocuous gesture……vast distortion of the reality”

    ——————————————————————————————

    Meh.

    It’s better but I still think you’re missing something from last night.

    The ebb and flow of creativity can be cruel.

  325. playing hurt September 29th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    When a man is faced with overwhelming evidences of superiority. Jealousy and admiration is spawned on such occasional. The jealousy fights with futility in the shadow of such mighty amalgamation of wit and reason, the admiration attempts a feeble imitation of the inimitable.
    One is reduced to a gibberish few words against the light of the truth and the pearls of wisdom….

    Let the last bastion of courage and might fortified us against the savagery of the on coming darkness… when they comes a moment when all is seem but lost…. gaze above, for there lies hope for the men of Westerlings.

  326. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    AldotheApache-

    Sure, I’ve no problem with people defending Joe. I’m inclined more to the defense than the offense myself.

    However, I don’t think it’s particularly enlightening to defend Joe by saying he knows stuff we don’t. I mean, you can make that remark about almost anything.

    Take the general case. Does x equal y? It isn’t particularly interesting to respond by saying, x equals y when you add z, but then say z is unknown, which is all the “Joe knows all the unknown facts so he knows best” proponents seem to be saying.

  327. Kitt6Katt September 29th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    GTLU

    1-Jeter SS
    2-Swisher RF
    3-Berkman 1B
    4-Arod 3B
    5-Posada C
    6-Thames DH
    7-Kearns LF
    8-Pena 2B
    9-Granderson CF

  328. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    “Trisha – you find no fault with Girardi because you have an agenda, that’s what you push, and that’s why you have no credibility.”

    Well first of all I think you’re going a little far afield to say I have no credility. My agenda is that I find the baseball knowledge of posters behind keyboards to be basically laughable, especially when it comes to deciding what moves a manager should be making. Here is a minor case in point. Last season posters on this forum were SCREAMING for Girardi to get Melancon up. SCREAMING for it to the point where they were just about spent and listless that it wasn’t happening. Then at one point Melancon was brought up. These same people, one female in particular, were leading the charge of the light brigade against the Girardi on a nighly basis because Melancon wasnt getting into games. Every night the brigaders were screaming about getting Melancon in. Then they purile comments went more to just sending him back down if you weren’t going to play him. MEANWHILE, the Yankees were in a slide and Girardi was trying to get their head back above water. Thoughtful processing would have brought people to an understanding that Girardi had to get the ship into better water before he threw Melancon out there. I swear I had that figured out from the day Melancon came up, before the nightly purging onto the forum, calling for Melancon. Punch line – Melancon finally gets into games and starts to have difficulties. Guess who leads the charge to now get rid of him? You guessed it. Madame Light Brigade and her soldiers

    Where is the intelligence in knee jerking your way through games and seasons. It is a long a gruelling season and lots of decisions have to be made and lots of adjustments based on information we may never know about. These guys know the players, they know the competition, they know who may have some aches and who is good to go. We don’t know a quarter of that. Yet posters scream for moves that make sense to them not knowing whether there is anything going on in the background that would mitigate against those moves.

    That’s why I have no difficulty in letting the brains of the organization go ahead and make the moves. Nobody is perfect but to deal with all of the problems Girardi had this season and still keep the team on top for most of the season (don’t forget he had hitters who weren’t hitting, pitchers who weren’t pitching, players who were injured, and he still for the most part called it right.)

    It isn’t that I am not willing to entertain contrary viewpoints. I have in the past when they made any sense at all. But I also feel comfortable that I am hitting it right. So when that happens, I just forge ahead. Don’t ever fool yourself into thinking that I haven’t entirely thought out a position and that I haven’t checked out stats before I come up with a position. It’s just that I don’t feel the need to give out the entire thought pattern. I guess I have faith that others will understand how I got there without all of the middle stuff. For the most part, it appears that some do.

  329. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    playing hurt, if you truly think that much of my positions here, all I can do is sincerely thank you so much for saying what you have said. Some of it did make me think you might have been kind of poking fun at me, so I wasn’t sure. No matter which it is, you are an amazing writer!

    :)


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