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Yankees can’t take advantage in Toronto

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tampa Bay lost today, giving the Yankees an opportunity to climb back into first place in the American League East. Joe Girardi used nearly all of his regular hitters, but after clinching a spot in the playoffs last night, he started Javier Vazquez instead of Andy Pettitte. It was Vazquez who allowed three home runs and left the Yankees with a hole they couldn’t escape in an 8-4 loss to the Blue Jays. The only bright spot: Alex Rodriguez reached the 30-home run, 100-RBI mark for a 13th straight season.

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187 Responses to “Yankees can’t take advantage in Toronto”

  1. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Rich – Without a doubt, that is my main problem. I have problems empathizing with others. I have trouble seeing things from others’ views. For example, I really really really cant understand the big deal about last night. I simply laughed at something, with no intent to be racist, no intent whatsoever. And I cant fathom how anyone could have taken offense to it.

    “everyone who takes steroids is trashy or criminal? You sure?”

    Yes. Every non-Yankee! Every non-New York athlete! :)

  2. blake September 29th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Missed opportunity tonight….Arod did get #30 and inch closer to the RBI lead so that’s something I guess. Just have to line things up for the post season now this weekend.

  3. Yogi Mantle September 29th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Digging out of 7+ run holes is not going to help win many games.

    Yeah, Javy was hurt the last time he stunk in Pinstripes. I guess its Pavanoitis that he has this year, or something.

    Or maybe he just isn’t all that good.

  4. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Bad night all around.

    Javy still sucks and the offense is still struggling.

    Thrilled for Alex that he got #30 , though – I still can’t believe he ended up with that total after the injuries and lack of power through much of the first half.

  5. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    At this point, I rest the guys – forget the division. Swisher needs some time off and Cano also.

  6. Yogi Mantle September 29th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    That should have been some other substance, other than gatoraide, of similar color, that they dumped on Cito.

  7. Chambliss September 29th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Hard to believe that Javy was one of the best pitchers in the national league last year.

  8. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Yogi – HAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol:

  9. Eric UWS September 29th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Old friend Ian Kennedy pitching trying to keep the Giants down over on ESPN. He’s nibbling after giving up a loud out. Some things never change.

  10. sunny615 September 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Javy blows.

  11. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    I really hope Vazquez doesn’t take the mound again with a Yankee uniform on. He tried as much as he could but his stuff is garbage. Cano and Swish better have Friday off unless Girardi is ok with burning Cano out. Cano needs time off and a lot of his at bats recently have showed it. I know the players want to play but Girardi has to wake up and give them the time they need.

  12. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Well, Friday is another day…….the sun always rises………..All you can do is try to be positive. Most of the time I’m not successful, but so be it, lol

  13. Cashmoney September 29th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    short and sweet recap ! I got this out the game!

    Tonight culminates Javy’s pitiful tour of duties with NY. The redux end in a resounding implosion.
    Javy Vazquez has successful toepedoed another team in a pennant race.

    R.I.P
    please do not wear the Yankee uniform again ! Have fun with Jeff Weaver in the hall of ignominy of Yankee history.

  14. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Betsy, you do a fine job. Dont stop believing in yourself, and dont discredit yourself.

    From now on, Im going to tell you something that I think will happen, in hopes that it will happen, and then if/when it does happen, Ill say “told ya so :P

    My new superstition!

  15. blake September 29th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    I’ve heard several members of the media over the last couple days that are still convinced the Yankees are going to throw Burnett in game 1 or 2 of the ALDS (Reynolds, Verducci, etc).

    Are we taking for granted that the Yankees will make the right decision and throw Hughes and leave AJ out? I don’t think so and I wonder if any of these guys have actually watched AJ pitch this season.

  16. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    I meant game 2 or 3 obviously.

  17. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    I can’t wait to see how Girardi is going to sugar coat this outing tonight…Watch Vazquez sign with a loser team next year and pitch lights out kinda like Pavano.

  18. LGY September 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    At this point I wonder if Javy is at risk of having to accept a minor league contract next season

  19. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Too bad they lost with the Rays also losing. Very huge missed opportunity.

    The only question I have about this game is why leave Javy in after the 4th? He struggled every inning; it wasn’t going to get better. Oh, one more – couldn’t Swisher have taken one pitch with the bases loaded? :?

    I had high hopes for Javy. It’s unfortunate it turned out this way.

    Usually if the Yankees get 10 hits, they’ll have at least 5 or 6 runs, if not more.

    Well, onward to Boston. The day off will do ‘em good.

  20. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    LGY – Naw, he’ll get signed by a National League team willing to take a risk on him. May only get $5-6 million or perhaps a 1 year contract, but he’ll get one somewhere.

  21. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Girardi: We are trying to win our division. LOL You could of fooled me leaving Vazquez in there to give up the game….

  22. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    “At this point I wonder if Javy is at risk of having to accept a minor league contract next season”

    I think an NL team will take a chance on his next year but he has certainly cost himself a lot of cash this season. He has had productive moments this season….he was pretty good for a long stretch in the middle of the year….remember the trade rumors floating around about swapping him and Jason Werth….I doubt there was every any truth to that but just the fact that it was plausible at the time shows that he has pitched fairly well at times this year.

  23. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    LGY -

    I wouldn’t be surprised. He himself talked about all the miles on his arm; he’s going to have to prove he’s got anything left. Right now, he does not seem to. It’s actually sad to see.

  24. MG September 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Girardi is having a really bad decision making month, he needs to get back to the overmanaging style that seems to work for him instead of the passive, ‘let him work through it even though he has nothing out there’ approach that took the Yankees right out of the game tonight.

  25. Niblick September 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Is anyone else tired of hearing underperforming starting pitchers say the same old crap after every stinky start?

  26. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    blake –

    He definitely had the one stretch where he was the best pitcher on the staff, giving up almost no runs. I wish he’d have been able to maintain even half that. It’s just too bad. For him and for the Yankees.

  27. SAS September 29th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    When do the playoffs start, Tuesday or Wednesday?

  28. m September 29th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    I usually like all our Yankees, but I’m not a member of the Javy Vazquez fan club. I don’t even care if I spell his name right or wrong.

    I was a fan of the trade. But Logan turned out to be the big piece. :mad:

  29. pat September 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    ?At this point I wonder if Javy is at risk of having to accept a minor league contract next season?

    I have no doubt he’ll get a deal from an NL team and have a 15 win season. Seen it before.

  30. tyanksfan36 September 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    I too am impressed that Alex hit 30 home runs this year. No one expected it at all but then again I bet no one expected him to get to 30 last year and in the way he did it. I think he will definitely pass Cabrera in RBI this year with 3 games left. He did hit well against Boston over the weekend. Sucks too that the Rays lost, and in front of all those 20K fans. I bet thats the real reason why they dont go. Longoria shouldve played, you dont whine that your “fans” dont come out to see you and then only get 3 hits total. oh well. Looking forward to Friday. I think Pettitte will do better this time.

  31. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    “When do the playoffs start, Tuesday or Wednesday?”

    both AL series start Wednesday…I think there is an NL game on Tuesday.

  32. LGY September 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Before the season started I said Javy will start game 2 of the ALDS :(

  33. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    What do you want them to say? They’re not going to say anything different, you’d do yourself a favor by not even listening to the interviews. :?

  34. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Josh Beckett actually had a worse season than Javy and AJ.

    Sure he was out for about a third of it but when he was here, he sucked.

    4 yrs/63 mil left on that deal.

  35. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    “Before the season started I said Javy will start game 2 of the ALDS :(”

    me too, shows what we know huh.

  36. RSM September 29th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Division may be out of reach.
    If Tampa splits the series 2-2 with KC, we need to sweep all 3 games in Boston.
    Theoretically possible, but improbable.

  37. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    LGY – same here. I thought Javy was going to be our 2nd or 3rd best starter.

  38. stuart a September 29th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    the yanks 4th and 5th starters cannot be any worse….cumaltive about 25 losses and 330+ innings of over 5.25 era……i love all the venow for 1 yr $11 mill. Javy but the big dope gettting $16.5 mill per year gets somewhat of a pass.

    Javy was suppose to be the 4th or 5th starter but aj dope burnett was suppose to be the #2 starter….

    the ab’s are not good regardless of the outcomes. tex, swisher, cano, they are to impatient……………

  39. RSM September 29th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    What’s a shame is, given Javy’s drop off, no way Cashman can offer him arbitration – so we don’t even get compensated any draft picks for letting him go.

  40. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    I think a Rays split with KC is highly probably….but sweeping at Fenway while trying to rest players isn’t very likely. Stranger things have happened though.

  41. SJ44 September 29th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    What do some of you want guys to say after a game like that.

    Look, the guy has no bullets left in his arm.

    Nothing you can do about that.

    I just wish Girardi would stop the ridiculous pretense he’s “trying to win the division”.

    No he isn’t. He stopped focusing on that three weeks ago.

    If he was trying to win the division there is no way Javy pitches in this game.

    They correctly held Pettitte back so he is on turn to pitch in Game 2 of the ALDS.

    They don’t own the tiebreaker against the Rays.

    It would be monumentally stupid to pull out the stops and play hard in Boston.

    Rest up and get ready for Minnesota should be the priority the rest of the way.

  42. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    AJ is getting no pass from anyone here anyway.

    As far as from the Yankees? Well, I guess we’ll see what they do this season, but what can they do? He’s under contract for a couple more years, he was signed as a #2 guy, they had to give him every opportunity to straighten things out. He didn’t.

  43. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    2nd time around is almost never the charm.

    Maybe Cash learned that this season.

  44. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    AJ gets a pass from me. I’d rather blame personal issues, bad luck and umpires for his failures than him :) And he helped win us the 2009 WS

  45. Doreen September 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    I kind of wish – no, not kind of – I do wish that the Rays had won tonight. Then they could pretty much leave the division behind.

  46. MG September 29th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    as some of us mentioned this afternoon, if the Yankees really were interested in a shot at HFA then tonight was the game they need to have because is would have put pressure on the Rays playing tomorrow night against the Royals.

    Instead, Girardi once again played it halfway and played most of the regulars while leaving a defenseless pitcher out on the mound long after it was obvious he had nothing and wasn’t capable of keeping the game within range.

    it’s too bad, the Yankees could easily have been in command of the best record in baseball with just a consistent performance by GI Joe over the past month.

  47. RSM September 29th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Have to agree SJ.
    Goals for this weekend should be some rest for Cano, Tex, Alex, Jeter and Swisher.
    Some tune up innings for Mo, Andy and whomever else may need them.
    Let Ring pitch against a few lefties and see what he’s got.
    Punch AJ in the face – it seemed to work last time.
    Clean out Javy’s locker and get his passkey back.

  48. SJ44 September 29th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    AJ and Javy can’t pitch in any post-season games.

    Doing so would amount to a fireable offense, IMO.

    They gave both guys every opportunity to find it and neither did.

    Have to move on without them.

  49. MG September 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    SJ, I agree, Moseley would be a better choice to pitch a game 4 of the ALCS if necessary, the worst he would do is give up 4 runs in 5-6 innings (at least based on his other starts) and that is well within reach for the Yankees, particularly since the game would be at home against the other teams’ #4 starter.

  50. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    No Vazquez interview? I guess at this point there is noting else to say. Of course next year he will win 15 games for another team.

  51. pat September 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Lame postgame.

  52. cmperez3 September 29th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Could Vasquez possibly suck any worse? Not only was he completely ineffective, he didn’t even eat up innings finishing the year at less than 160. He’s so bad the Yankees can’t even offer him arbitration and get back a draft pick for him. Cashman better pray Arodys Vizcaino doesn’t turn out to be an ace.

  53. Niblick September 29th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    SJ: so Joe is going to get fired when he starts AJ in game 3?

  54. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Dice-K v Andy
    Buchholz vs AJ
    Lackey vs ???

    Garza vs Grienke
    Shields vs Chen
    ??? vs Davies
    ??? vs O Sullivan

    Price certainly isn’t pitching.

    You never know.

    I’m not even too concerned with the ALDS but I like HFA if it goes to 6,7 games in the ALCS.

  55. MG September 29th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    while it’s possible that Vazquez rediscovers his fastball during the offseason and pitches OK next season it certainly won’t be with the Yankees, they aren’t going to pay him $5M+ to come back.

  56. LGY September 29th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    me too, shows what we know huh.

    ———————————–

    blake,

    I did not have a great year with my predictions for the new acquisitions.

    Javy splitting up the lefties in game 2 of the ALDS, NJ monster OBP in the 2 hole, and Grandy with 35-40 dingers using the short porch. Waaaay too optimistic :???:

  57. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Tom Caron: “This weekend, we get to knock the Yankees out of first place. We get to enjoy that”

    LOL!

  58. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    “AJ and Javy can’t pitch in any post-season games. ”

    I totally agree but I until I see the rotation named for the ALDS I still have this little fear in the back of my mind that they’ll throw AJ in game 3.

  59. stuart a September 29th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    sj we agree. the whole trying to win the division is a charade that has been gone on for weeksw.

    what about the new gospel that kearns is in the lineup against lefties. i guess this is zero cause and effect between him and losing the last 10 against lefties.. just dumb luck…………….

    giradi should be fired if kearns starts against any lefty not names david price or aj burnett starts in the ALDS………….

  60. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    LGY,

    I think Grandy is closer to the player we thought he’d be than the others…it just took him awhile to get there.

  61. SAS September 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Thanks Blake.

    Just watching a little TV. Sorry it took so long to get back to you.

    ———————————————————————–

    At this point the Division is meaningless. I agree; rest those players that need it. We have a weak to get these guys healthier. New season starts then. Nothing that happened all season matters, but each of those games. If we can get good pitching and have some timely hits, maybe we can take the ALDS in less than 5 games and rest the guys again. With an older team I think the rest can really help.

  62. Niblick September 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    To all of you who think the home field advantage means nothing:

    In 2009 post-season, the Yanks were 7-1 at home; 4-3 on the road. Small sample size, of course, but quite a difference in performance.

  63. West Coast Yankee Fan September 29th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Another loss you can chalk up to managerial incompetence. I would not have started Vazquez, but, I can see others disagreeing on the merits. But there is no excuse whatsoever for Girardi leaving him in the game when it was obvious to everyone that he had nothing out there. None.

  64. pat September 29th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    “so Joe is going to get fired when he starts AJ in game 3?”

    All decisions regarding AJ pitching will be made at a level above Girardi.

  65. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Kennedy just pulled a Vazquez and AJ

  66. Red Lobster September 29th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    CR9 – Why do you think I mock you? We went over this before… I AGREE with you.

    I know you are not used to your Anti-Boston ideology being accepted here, but I am one of the few who agrees with you.

  67. Eric UWS September 29th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Its kind of hard to remember that AJ was once 6-2, 3.28 on May 30th or was 4-0 with a 1.99.

    I wonder if he’s hurt.

    Ian Kenndy gives up a jack, and the lead.

  68. RSM September 29th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    No way should Javy or Burnett pitch this postseason.
    However, I will be SHOCKED if we do not see AJ pitch – maybe not in the ALDS, but definitely in the ALCS (assuming they make it there).
    Girardi will give him a shot. Like many MLB managers, he is loyal to his players to a fault.
    If it was my call – I’d start Nova with a short leash and have a long man (not named Vazquez or Burnett) ready to go – maybe Mosely.
    You can not just give away games in the postseason. At least Nova or Mosely might keep it close enough to give them a shot.

  69. Jerkface September 29th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    In 2009 post-season, the Yanks were 7-1 at home; 4-3 on the road. Small sample size, of course, but quite a difference in performance.

    They lost 2 AJ burnett starts on the road. Problem solved, don’t pitch AJ.

  70. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    To be honest I would be shocked if AJ isn’t in the rotation. Girardi and Cash always go with the veterans and it seems like they would make a stupid move like that.

  71. blake September 29th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    I remember having a conversation back in May with CB about whether or not AJ may have “turned a corner” in his career as he seemed to have learned to limit damage and pitch to contact a bit more. He had several starts early this season where he would get runners on and then buckle down and get out of it without imploding…..spoke too soon I guess.

  72. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Red Lobster – Well, simply because I oft times believe Im living in some kind of nightmare in which all my teams are meant to be screwed and everyone just doesnt see it. Do you have an actual screen name on here that you use besides Red Lobster, that you do not want to agree with me under and be ridiculed?

  73. Eric UWS September 29th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Maybe AJ will be like Hammels. Bounce back after a long postseason the next year.

  74. LGY September 29th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    “They lost 2 AJ burnett starts on the road. Problem solved, don’t pitch AJ.”

    ———————————–

    Heh :lol:

    8-2 in non-AJ starts last postseason vs. 3-2 in AJ starts.

    Even greater than HFA is the Non-AJ Advantage (NAA)

  75. stuart a September 29th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    aj burnett is 32. hamels is much younger and much smarter.

    aj is a hillbilly with a fastball….aj throws 2 pitches and cannot figure it out. he is a mirage……….

  76. RSM September 29th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Eric -
    Doubt it. Hamels problem last year was that he had a HUGE workload in 2008, which was his first full season. He had never seen anything close to that kind of workload previously. He also admitted that he had a VERY busy offseason after winning the WS.
    Anyone with a brain knew he would bounce back in 2010.
    Conversely, AJ may just be on the downside of his career. We all knew this risk when the Yanks signed him to a 5 year deal, but they were desperate after missing the playoffs in 2007.
    Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone thought it would come this soon.

  77. Wave Your Hat September 29th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    The Yanks will go with AJ unless he gets blown out by Boston this weekend.

    The choice is between AJ and Nova, and at the end of the day Girardi will pick “experience” over “youth”. Nova will be viewed as not having pitched well enough, and when Joe looks at the “book” he will see AJ pitched well against the Twins. He’ll say AJ has “been there before” and that he has “confidence” in him.

    You all know perfectly well that’s what will go down.

  78. JobaTipsHisCap September 29th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    The Yanks will go with AJ unless he gets blown out by Boston this weekend.

    ***************************************

    i think he will. No confidence at all on him and Javy, that’s $25M (or more).

    ouuuuch

  79. BIG AL September 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Javy seems to be a good person, and I think we would all have been happy if he’d pitched for us as he did last year for the Braves. It was not to be, and given he is in a walk year, you have to believe he gave it his all, wanting one more big contract before hanging it up.

    Tonight’s game was a photo of his season, and should have been enough to keep him out of the PS.

    I still believe the Yankees will offer arbitration to Javy, to get the 2 picks in exchange. Javy might sign with a NL east team, maybe the Braves, Marlins or Mets. Just a thought.

    Everyone gets 2 days rest before the PS begins, and if the Rays sew up the division, play all the kids Sat. & Sun., that’s 4 days rest for the regulars, should be enough.

  80. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Well, then we better hope that AJ gets blown out this weekend. I wonder if Brackman will get a look over the weekend – for just the future of course.

  81. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    AJ reminds me of one of those aging, strung out rock stars.

    You know everyone’s trying to help him get it together hoping he’s got one last hit in him so there’s another pay day.

    Only AJ’s getting paid no matter what he does. He can basically shoot-up till the cows come home and live off the residuals.

  82. Pat M. September 29th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    I just need 1 Yankee win to cover my over wager……..I thought Javy would be good for 16-17 wins this season…….Whiffed on that one

  83. Cashmoney September 29th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    AJ reminds me of one of those aging, strung out rock stars.
    —————
    I only wish he was still a Keith Richard… rock on !

  84. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Pat M.

    I believe Nick needs two. He’s got an interesting weekend to look forward to.

  85. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Verducci actually thinks the Yankees are going to throw AJ? He must be nuts – what exactly is his rationale? That they think he’s more trustworthy than Phil? Please.

  86. Cashmoney September 29th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    There has been ample opportunities to use Brackman this whole week, yet, they have choose to do so. I am convince they won’t start his engine again after such a long layoff.

  87. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    SJ, then why did he play most of the lineup? To thwart some kind of revolt in the clubhouse because those guys want to go for it?

  88. CR9 September 29th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Betsy – Verducci is a red sox stinksniffer who is only interested in what he wants to happen – he most likely wants AJ to pitch to hurt our chances :lol:

  89. Betsy September 29th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Then Verducci and Reynolds either think the Yankees are morons or they think don’t think Phil deserves a start or they think the Yankees are morons…………I know, I said it twice. I do think there is a good chance AJ pitches ahead of Phil. Despite Cash saying the gloves are off in the post-season, I think the Yankees are concerned about Phil’s IL. Also, they simply think AJ is capable of dominating.

  90. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    I only wish he was still a Keith Richard… rock on !

    ——————————————————-

    I was imagining someone more like Sid Vicious.

  91. SAS September 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    CC and Phil were the ones who were the shining lights this season, with Andy close behind due to injury. The rest of the starters AJ and Javy…you can have.

  92. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Sid Vicious is still alive , Jeers? But to think the man lives a rock roll lifestyle is not a far stretch by any imaginations.

  93. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    To be honest, AJ isnt even capable of dominating. The only way AJ dominates is when other teams dominate themselves and swing at his slop! Seriously!

    And Verducci doesnt think the Yankees are morons or that Phil doesnt deserve the start, he’s just putting out there what he hopes will happen, and what he hopes is fairly clear!

  94. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Wave, are you referring to the ALCS or ALDS? If the former, I agree……………

    Phil came up huge in the biggest game of the year; if the Yankees still choose AJ over him, then I would kill to be in the room when Joe told Phil and the rest of the team.

  95. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    “I still believe the Yankees will offer arbitration to Javy, to get the 2 picks in exchange. Javy might sign with a NL east team, maybe the Braves, Marlins or Mets. Just a thought.”

    —————————-

    Big Al,

    No longer an option.

    Javy is officially a Type B free agent. Can’t get the two first rounders anymore.

  96. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Betsy , why do you always rage against all those noises ? They don’t matter …

  97. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Also, Andy is not set in stone as the #2 pitcher – not if you believe Girardi.

  98. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Betsy,

    I think they will use 4 pitchers in the ALDS unless they go into game 4 down 2-1, in which case they will go with CC and the game 2 starter (which won’t be AJ). Phil will start game 2 or 3.

  99. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Javy is a type B free agent is correct, also, I think he can’t only take a pay cut of 20 percent max from accepting an arbitration . To think the Yankees want another encore for 9 mil , it’s highly unlikely.

    I got with releasing him , save some anguish from both sides.

  100. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Even if Javy were type A, there is no way on earth the Yankees would offer Arb to Javy………….he’d accept within 5 seconds

  101. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    I don’t believe the Yanks will offer Javy arbitration.

  102. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Cash, you mean why am I upset about Verducci and co.? Probably because a part of me really does think that the Yankees will go with AJ………

  103. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Wave, I don’t see them using a 4th starter in the ALDS. Down 2-1, it’s CC. Up 2-1, I still think it’s CC. Hmm, that’s what I would do, but now that I think about it, I have a feeling you’re right………I’m not feeling it right now with Joe.

  104. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    No, Sid has been dead for over 30 years.

    But AJ ‘s got the right haircut! :lol:

  105. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    put that at ease Betsy, they will start Phils before AJ , The Yankees are not dumb. Those decisions are made by Cash, Scouts , Gene Michaels and Joe, do you honestly think they don’t see what we see?

  106. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Big Al & LGY,
    Additionally, I doubt Javy will get a multiyear deal at this point. So he would likely get more from the Yankees in arbitration than he can get from another team. Can’t risk that he might accept.

  107. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Remember, you can release a player after arbitration and only be responsible for part of his salary. But I still don’t think they offer Javy arb.

  108. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Cash, mostly it’s a Joe thing – and I’ve heard what they’ve said about AJ. I’m not saying they will, but I just have that nagging feeling……….I hope I’m wrong.

  109. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    At this point, I think think Javy is going to have to look for an incentive laden one year deal from an NL team to prove himself.
    No way the Yankees can risk offering him arbitration, especially now that he is type B. Type B would only give the Yankees a sandwich pick after the first round. Definitely not worth the risk.

  110. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    The pecking order has to be CC-Andy-Phil, and I think followed by AJ. It looks like the Yanks are lining Andy up for game 2, but I can’t help they will want to pitch Phil in Target and Andy in NYS.

  111. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    I recall Javy talking about retiring at the beginning of the season.

    That was probably a bad sign huh?

  112. Tyler September 30th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Haven’t had time or been here to look through all of these threads but does anybody find it weird that he started Javy but then didn’t rest any of the regular position players hardly? I know they want the division (and it would help them greatly to have HFA) but with Javy starting couldn’t you have afforded to sit a guy like Swisher and maybe play Collin Curtis or give Cano a day off and play Pena? Just doesn’t make sense to me… Javy probably gives you a less than 50 % chance to win at this point so why not at least rest a couple regulars…

  113. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    …I can’t help but think they will want to pitch Phil in Target and Andy in NYS.

    Sorry about the typo.

  114. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Betsy, you are right – I’d bet a large sum of money on it.
    Joe MAY skip AJ in the ALDS, but he WILL pitch in the ALCS – Bank on it.
    I don’t agree with it, but it will happen.

  115. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Tyler, I didn’t get why they didn’t pull the regulars after it was a 7-0 game – esp. Swisher.

  116. Tyler September 30th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    It’s amazing Javy is a Type B now. Shows how bad he really was this year. Last year the guy was 4th in the NL Cy Young Race and arguably had as good of a season as Lincecum who won the award. This year it just fell apart for him. Around May-June it looked like he could rescue it and have a fairly decent year but he then hit another downhill slope. Tough to watch along with AJ… At least the Yanks didn’t give up much considering Melky was replaceable, Dunn has been replaced by Logan, and Vizcaino now has arm trouble.

  117. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Wave,
    That would make a lot of sense, but I think they will end up using Andy in game 2 so he lines up for a potential game 5 do or die situation. That’s assuming CC pitches game 4 on short rest.

    ALDS would look like this – CC, Andy, Hughes, CC, Andy
    That’s not bad.

  118. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2325204

    1. Get the starting rotation in order. CC Sabathia will start American League Division Series Game 1 on Oct. 6, whether it’s at Minnesota or against Texas at home. After his superb performance Tuesday night, he’ll rest until then, limiting his activity to bullpen work.

    It gets trickier after that, yet in a way, the lack of appealing options should make the decision easier for Joe Girardi and company:

    As long as Andy Pettitte feels physically ready after his start Friday night in Boston, he should get the Game 2 start, and Phil Hughes should start Game 3. You could argue that Hughes should start Game 2 if the Yankees play the righty-heavy Rangers as opposed to the lefty-leaning Twins, but the disparity in Hughes’ and Pettitte’s splits isn’t great enough to justify such a maneuver.

    Besides, here’s the next step: A.J. Burnett can’t start in the ALDS. If he pitches well Saturday at Fenway, then let him use that as positive momentum for the bullpen and then an AL Championship Series start. So you’re starting Sabathia in Game 4 (on three days’ rest) and Pettitte in Game 5 (on four days’ rest), with Hughes able to contribute to Game 5 out of the bullpen.
    *************

    Can’t argue here. I don’t think I’d play the guys all 3 games in Boston as the odds are not very good to win the division.

    I wonder if Ring will make the team; I do like having a 2nd lefty

  119. Crash September 30th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    They need 4 starters in the alcs. What other option do they have other than AJ?

    the starting pitching has been awful the last couple of weeks outside of CC last night and Hughes against the red sox.

  120. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    The Yanks will pitch AJ in game 4 unless they are down 2-1.

    The thinking will be if they are up 2-1, save CC in the hopes AJ wins game 4 and CC can start the ALCS, while if AJ loses CC can start game 5 and CC can only pitch once anyway.

    If the Yanks are down 2-1, then they will go with CC on game 4 and come back in game 5 with the game 2 starter.

    Which lines AJ up to pitch games 2 and 6 in the ALCS.

  121. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    :arrow:

  122. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Wave….I also see AJ taking the hill in Game 4 maybe even game 3 inn the ALCS

  123. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    I want CC starting game 1 of the ALCS – can he still do that if he pitches game 4? I do hesitate constantly pitching him on 3 days rest.

    No way to I want AJ pitching 2 times in the ALCS……shivers.

  124. Crash September 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Yanks will sweep the twins they dont need to worry about game 4.

    AJ needs a caddy in the playoff whenever he does pitch in the alcs. I guess that going to be Nova or Javy. If he pitches well great if he starts to blow up get him out of the game asap.

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