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Postgame notes: Missed opportunities

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Javier Vazquez seemed to realize the weight of tonight’s game. He knew what it meant for the team, and he knew what it meant for himself. Tonight was a chance for the Yankees to take the lead in the American League East, and it was a chance for Vazquez to make one last case for the postseason roster.

Vazquez accomplished neither.

“Obviously today didn’t help,” he said. “I thought today was an important day for me personally, but it didn’t go well.”

The Yankees need some help if they’re going to win the division, but as Derek Jeter said, all the help in the world does no good if the Yankees don’t win their games. Vazquez didn’t give them much of a chance to win tonight. Spot-starting so that Andy Pettitte could be lined up for the playoffs, Vazquez allowed seven runs on 10 hits, three of them home runs.

“If I would have thrown the ball better, that would have helped my case. That’s not the case tonight,” he said. “I just got hit. I had nothing. I didn’t feel like my pitches were sharp at all today. They just hit me good.”

And that’s not good for Vazquez. The Yankees have room for at least one long man in their postseason bullpen, and they have a long line of candidates. Dustin Moseley pitched well two nights ago, Sergio Mitre pitched a hitless inning tonight, Ivan Nova has been the team’s No. 5 starter, and Chad Gaudin has clearly won some of Girardi’s trust in the past month.

Then there’s Vazquez, who has struggled since the all-star break.

“I wish I knew the answer because I felt great those couple of months that I pitched well,” he said. “I just didn’t get it done late. I wish I knew.”

Yankees Blue Jays Baseball• Girardi said he will try to give Vazquez an inning of relief on Sunday. As you would expect, Girardi said he has not ruled out carrying Vazquez in the postseason.

• The Yankees haven’t always rallied to win, but they’ve regularly come back to get themselves into ball games. Tonight they did that with their three-run sixth, which ended on Nick Swisher’s bases-loaded double play. “You feel like you’re going to get right back in the game,” Girardi said. “Swish hit it right on the barrel of the bat, he just hit it right to the second baseman.”

• Alex Rodriguez has reached 30 home runs, which seemed impossible not so long ago. No. 30 came off Brett Cecil to start that sixth inning. Rodriguez has 13 consecutive 30-homer, 100-RBI seasons, which is the longest such streak of all time.

• Rodriguez has a total of 14 30-and-100 seasons, which ties Barry Bonds for the most all-time.

• Marcus Thames went 1-for-4 tonight and in 11 games against Toronto this season, he hit .441 with three home runs and seven RBI.

• Jazquez has now gone without a strikeout in two of his past three outings. Before that, he had a strikeout in 349 consecutive games.

• Three more hits from Francisco Cervelli who seems to have rediscovered some of that early season magic.

• Two more hits from Derek Jeter who’s hitting .316 in his past 18 games.

• If Greg Golson is trying to make an impression to make the postseason roster, I’m sure an RBI single didn’t hurt his chances. Ultimately, though, he didn’t have many chances to show of his arm or his speed, and those are his best assets in the playoffs.

Associated Press photos of Vazquez and Jeter

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280 Responses to “Postgame notes: Missed opportunities”

  1. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Continued from last thread:

    Wave,
    That would make a lot of sense, but I think they will end up using Andy in game 2 so he lines up for a potential game 5 do or die situation. That?s assuming CC pitches game 4 on short rest.

    ALDS would look like this ? CC, Andy, Hughes, CC, Andy
    That?s not bad.

  2. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/…..-1.2325204

    1. Get the starting rotation in order. CC Sabathia will start American League Division Series Game 1 on Oct. 6, whether it’s at Minnesota or against Texas at home. After his superb performance Tuesday night, he’ll rest until then, limiting his activity to bullpen work.

    It gets trickier after that, yet in a way, the lack of appealing options should make the decision easier for Joe Girardi and company:

    As long as Andy Pettitte feels physically ready after his start Friday night in Boston, he should get the Game 2 start, and Phil Hughes should start Game 3. You could argue that Hughes should start Game 2 if the Yankees play the righty-heavy Rangers as opposed to the lefty-leaning Twins, but the disparity in Hughes’ and Pettitte’s splits isn’t great enough to justify such a maneuver.

    Besides, here’s the next step: A.J. Burnett can’t start in the ALDS. If he pitches well Saturday at Fenway, then let him use that as positive momentum for the bullpen and then an AL Championship Series start. So you’re starting Sabathia in Game 4 (on three days’ rest) and Pettitte in Game 5 (on four days’ rest), with Hughes able to contribute to Game 5 out of the bullpen.
    *************

    Can’t argue here. I don’t think I’d play the guys all 3 games in Boston as the odds are not very good to win the division.

    I wonder if Ring will make the team; I do like having a 2nd lefty

  3. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    I would consider Golson………….what an arm.

  4. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    The Yanks will pitch AJ in game 4 unless they are down 2-1.

    The thinking will be if they are up 2-1, save CC in the hopes AJ wins game 4 and CC can start game 1 of the ALCS, while if AJ loses CC can start game 5.

    If the Yanks are down 2-1, then they will go with CC on game 4 and come back in game 5 with the game 2 starter.

    Which lines AJ up to pitch games 2 and 6 in the ALCS.

  5. sunny615 September 30th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Javy. What a gutless performance by Javy. Had every opportune ity to show something and the only thing he did show was that he stunk. Gave away first place. Ugh. Just a pathetic outing.

  6. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Agree about Golson. Kearns has not shown much with the bat to support taking him over Golson who is a better fielder and can also be used as a pinch runner.
    If Kearns isn’t going to hit anyway, which he hasn’t been, then he offers very little to the PS roster.

  7. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Wave,

    I don’t think there is anyway AJ is pitching game 4. It is much too risky. What exactly is the upside?

    You pitch CC in game 4, he is lined up to pitch on regular rest in the ALCS. You don’t have to save CC. The only way he is not ready for game 1 of the ALCS is if he pitches game 5.

  8. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Wave….I also see the Yanks throwing AJ in Game 4 even game 3 in the ALCS

  9. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    The Yankees can limit AJ to one start in the ALCS and one start in the WS, if they go to CC on 3 days rest in game 4 of the ALDS.

    I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t limit him as much as possible.

  10. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    LGY, there are sufficient days between the end of the ALDS and the beginning of the ALCS for CC to start game 1 ALCS on regular rest?

    AJ pitching more than 1 time in the ALCS is something I do not want to see; if the Yanks can’t see that Phil is a better pitcher than AJ, then something is wrong with them. I wonder if they are concerned about his innings – but if that’s the case, then Cash’s constant comments about how the gloves are off in the post-season are untruths.

  11. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    I had hoped Kearns would hit well enough to use against LHP in the playoffs. But he hasn’t hit that well, and Granderson has hit LHP adequately (barely), so Granderson will get the starts vs Liriano and Duensing. In which case I don’t see what Kearns does.

  12. m September 30th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    What a disappointment that we can take advantage of tampa’s loss.

    Sick of the Blue Jays.

    Won’t be sad to see Javy go.

    What is Tampa’s magic number?

  13. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Betsy,

    Yes.

    If you pitch CC in game 5 of the ALDS, he won’t be available on full rest until game 3 of the ALCS.

    That is not happening.

  14. Jerkface September 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    ALDS GM1 Wed DR0 CC
    ALDS GM2 Thur DR1 ANDY
    ALDS GM3 Sat DR3 HUGHES
    ALDS GM4 Sun DR4 CC short rest
    ALDS GM5 Tue DR6 ANDY normal rest

    ALCS GM1 FRI DR0 CC
    ALCS GM2 SAT DR1 ANDY / ANDY short rest / HUGHES
    ALCS GM3 MON DR3 HUGHES / ANDY
    ALCS GM4 TUE DR4 CC SHORT REST
    ALCS GM5 WED DR5 AJ/JAVY
    ALCS GM6 FRI DR7 ANDY / HUGHES
    ALCS GM7 SAT DR8 CC SHORT REST

    WS GM1 WED DR0 CC Short Rest
    WS GM2 THUR DR1 ANDY
    WS GM3 SAT DR3 HUGHES
    WS GM4 SUN DR4 CC SHORT REST / AJ / JAVY
    WS GM5 MON DR5 AJ / JAVY / CC FULL REST / ANDY SHORT REST
    WS GM6 WED DR7 HUGHES SHORT REST / ANDY / AJ / JAVY
    WS GM7 THUR DR8 CC SHORT REST

  15. m September 30th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Can’t!

    Did we vote on the relievers for the first round.

  16. stuart a September 30th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    wave your hat what are eyou talking about. keanrs is playing for gardner. kearns should not be playing at all but that is another story.

    i am wrong kearns should be playing ifyou want to play a hack with no plate discipline, who is slow, and not a great fielder over a guy who if he gets on base can change a game and takes about 3 more pitches per ab then austin hack kearns……..

    kearns starting over gardner is moronic………….

  17. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    LGY-

    That is why they’ll start AJ in game 4 of the ALDS if the Yanks have the lead. The upside of that is pitching a rested CC in game 1 of the ALCS. Joe will believe the Yanks can win with AJ, he won’t be afraid to pitch AJ with a lead in the series.

  18. Crash September 30th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Against Liriano

    Granderson 4 for 22 (.182)
    Gardner 3 for 9 (.333)
    Kearns 2 for 5 (.400)

    Interesting decision for Girardi. Granderson with his adjustments is a better hitter against lefties. So I would think he would start despite bad numbers against Liriano. Kearns and Gardner both have good numbers against Liriano. I would go with Gardner because of more speed and better defense.

  19. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    stuart, Kearns will not start for Gardner in the post-season. Not happening.

  20. Jerkface September 30th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    That is why they’ll start AJ in game 4 of the ALDS if the Yanks have the lead. The upside of that is pitching a rested CC in game 1 of the ALCS. Joe will believe the Yanks can win with AJ, he won’t be afraid to pitch AJ with a lead in the series.

    But if they pitch CC in game 4 they will get a rested CC for Game 1?????

  21. stuart a September 30th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    yep risk aj when it matters … after all aj has come thru all of once in his career.

    people keep talking about aj came up big in the playoffs last year. wrong. he had 1 good game that is it. look it up.

    i was at his meltdown in anaheim last alcs… aj melted like the snow in palm springs………..

  22. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    The Yankees won’t risk losing CC until game 3 of the ALCS.

  23. m September 30th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    I’m assuming they’re trying to get Kearns going because Gardner does not need rest. He needs to start in the postseason. He dies help lengthen the lineup.

  24. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    I don’t like CC on short rest (again) in game 1 of the ALCS. In fact, that’s way too many times with CC on short rest- thanks Jerkface!

  25. m September 30th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Does!

  26. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Betsy,

    CC is on FULL rest for game 1 of the ALCS, if he pitches game 4.

    Game 4 of the ALDS is on October 10th.

    Game 1 of the ALCS is October 15th.

  27. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    The weather is not going to be perfect, so all our machinations are probably moot, lol.

  28. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    jerkface-

    I missed your great comment on the rotation, probably because it was all caps. I tend to skip ove comments in all caps for some reason.

    Yes, they could start CC on full rest in game 1 of the ALCS if he pitches game 4 of the ALDS. It makes sense, but for some reason I still don’t think that’s what they will do.

  29. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    LGY, oops – I misread that!

    I would go with CC game 4 because you want to lock up the series ASAP and not let the other team back in.

  30. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    I can we can get by with AJ/Nova backup for a game in ALCS . I think AJ will start in a playoff game if we get far enough.

    But 3 man rotation in ALDS for me , I think for many on here as well.

  31. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Well, if Im not mistaken, the home team has the choice of postponing a game prior to the start.

    So, if the Yankees are smart and want to take advantage of rules, they see rain in the forecast and postpone a home game if need be to get our guy(s) on full rest.

  32. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Betsy,

    I agree. The postseason is not the time to mess around. You go for the kill.

  33. LGY September 30th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    That’s a long post to skip over Wave :lol:

  34. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 30th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Javvy isn’t gutless, he just isn’t good enough to be on the NYY starting staff. No matter what SJ says, or any of the other savants, this guy is damaged goods. What was Cashman thinking hiring this 11 million dollar future Washington National? Eiland is good but he’s not that good to turn this head case around.

  35. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    The way I look at it is I have the confidence my other 3 starters to get me 4 wins in ALCS.
    If AJ performs it’s an extra bonus. That way everyone can be alloted with full rest.

  36. Crash September 30th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:41 am
    I can we can get by with AJ/Nova backup for a game in ALCS . I think AJ will start in a playoff game if we get far enough.

    But 3 man rotation in ALDS for me , I think for many on here as well.

    ———————–

    Burnett has to start in the ALCS what other option do they have? Keep Nova as a backup Burnett will be on a short leash. If he pitches well than great if not Girardi will take him out before he blows away the game.

  37. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    LGY-

    The more caps there are, the more likely I’ll skip over it. Weird.

  38. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    If possible, we should just use 3 starters in the playoffs. And it’s more than possible that our 3 starters this year are more reliable than our 3 starters last year.

  39. Latroy Farnsworth September 30th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    No reason to EVER see Javy Vasquez on the mound in a Yankee uniform again! The guy is nothing but a bum. It was ridiculous to bring this nightmare back here after what happened in 2004. Someone on this team should seek him out, square him up, punch him right in the face and tell him to get lost.

  40. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Looking at the schedule, it really does make sense to pitch CC in ALDS game 4.
    That also negates the need for a 4th starter in the Division Series – No Burnett!!

  41. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    No one with any working faculties can possibly think AJ deserves a start in the ALDS………..and if he starts in the ALCS it’s only because there are no other better options. However, someone mentioned Moseley – and that’s a decent suggestion because even though he’d very likely be mediocre, he probably wouldn’t completely implode

  42. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    I think he will Crash in ALCS , on a very short leash with Nova or whomever the long man is backing him up.

    I will take my chances that other three will get me 4 win in that series with full rest.

    Plus , by some miracle , the man can surprise you.

  43. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 30th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Put AJ in the bullpen. The man child needs to be disciplined. Amazing how well he pitched against the NYY as a Blue Jay and now he has regressed from his .500 status. Maybe he isn’t spending enough time in his home movie theater?

  44. Captain Clutch September 30th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    AJ should only pitch when they absolutely have to pitch a 4th starter. He has been awful all year and there is no reason to expect him to throw a good game now. I am sure the Sox will tattoo him this weekend and that should kill any faith that Girardi and co. had in him.

    Vazquez, Gaudin and Nova shouldn’t make the roster. I would take Moseley and Golson as the last position player. Golson can play defense late in the game for Swish, pinch run and can hit a little. He should definitely make the roster. Kearns hitting has been awful and whatever offense he might contribute is not worth the runs he will give up on defense.

  45. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    LOL Latroy! It’s not like it’s his fault that he came to us and lost MPH off his fastball. Just bad luck. Though I never want to see him in a Yankees uniform after this year. I would like to see him on the roster as a reliever; you never know if/when he might come in and be a key to a victory.

  46. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Moseley won’t get a post-season start. The Yanks won’t think he is “stretched out”.

  47. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    LGY, plus I think CC would kill to close the game out. I just have no clue what Joe or Cash are thinking……….if AJ starts before the ALCS, then Cash’s comments about salaries not meaning anything were worthless.

  48. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    LGY, plus I think CC would kill to close the series out. I just have no clue what Joe or Cash are thinking……….if AJ starts before the ALCS, then Cash’s comments about salaries not meaning anything were worthless.

  49. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    By whatever narratives , AJ , Moseley, NOva , I think it’s prudent to start a 4th starter in ALCS and give the other three full rest to win it all for us.

  50. m September 30th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Pitch AJ in game 2 of the ALCS where he won’t kill you.

    I would trust CC, Phil, or Andy in any potential elimination game.

    CC for games 1&4 of the ALDS is good.

  51. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Alberto Contador tested positive for some illegal substance in this year’s Tour de Lance!!! :)

  52. Rich in NJ September 30th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    If AJ pitches Game 4 of the ALDS and sucks, Girardi will have worn out his welcome.

  53. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    “Girardi will have worn out his welcome” That’s an over-exaggeration. Joe Torre screwed us for years and nothing happened.

  54. RSM September 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    I find I’m not mad at Vazquez as much as I am disappointed. I feel bad for him. His problems IMO are physical – He just doesn’t have the same abilities anymore.

    AJ makes me angry, as I feel his problems are all mental.

  55. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Rich , do you think they need a fourth starter in ALCS? if so, whom?

  56. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    For some reason I like Contador, I hope there is an explanation.

  57. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    WYH – I dont like Contador because of his dislike of Lance. How can anyone dislike a guy who’s overcome what Lance has. :(

  58. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 30th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Cash bet on the wrong horse (Javy) for 2010. Javy is a case of subtraction by addition.

  59. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    I think Joe has done that already…………….

    I imagine Cashman is involved, so it would fall on his shoulders as well. That said, again – the weather is very likely not going to be very good, esp. in Minny. The chances of a rain/snow out or a delay are probably pretty good, so we may not be able to avoid AJ or Moseley or whomever

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  61. m September 30th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Contador has been frigid to Lance the past couple of years, so I say, “A-HA!”

  62. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 30th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Amazing how Javy was 4 th in the NL CY Young last year and now is among the worst starters in the AL? Jarret Wright would nod in approval.

  63. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    CR9-

    I can see it from Contador’s point of view, though. I always rooted for Lance, but I thought Contador beat him fair and square in 2009.

  64. Rich in NJ September 30th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Cash

    No, I think CC should go in Game 4.

  65. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    WYH – Absolutely Contador won fairly over Lance in 2009

  66. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Night!

  67. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    I’m checking out too.

  68. Rich in NJ September 30th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    CR9

    Few people were as critical of Torre as I was, but as Sherman pointed out today, he didn’t start Cone in 2000 (6.91 ERA) or Mussina in 2007 (5.15 ERA). AJ has had an epically bad season. He shouldn’t start a playoff game based on some minor chance that he may pitch well.

  69. Latroy Farnsworth September 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    CR9…bad luck? Have you seen his #’s after the all star break? Or how about that GEM last week when he came in from the pen and hit 3 straight batters?!?! That one was a personal favorite of mine and should be used in Javy Vasquezs Yankeeography :)

  70. Jerkface September 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    They should either be not pitching him or waiting to pitch him in the perfect spot (up 3-0 in the ALCS), because if its an elimination game, CC is going on short rest or its Andy/Hughes on normal rest.

  71. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Unless the weatherman offers an assist, we’re going to see AJ Burnett in the ALCS…..It’s highly unlikey Giradi is going to give the ball to both Hughes & Nova…Mosley is an outside longshot in my opinion……He very well may surprise us all…..He’s suffering from mental constipation

  72. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Rich – Ah, I see your point. I already do not think that AJ should start a postseason game, but I still do not think that he will have “worn out his welcome” if he does start AJ.

    I mean, Joe Torre had the audacity to leave in Jeff Weaver for a second inning, while leaving the greatest reliever in baseball history in the bullpen. That’s a fire-able offense.

    Latroy – Yes. Bad luck. Not his fault. Just doesnt have the same stuff that he had in 2009. I LMAO at the 3 straight batters! LOL @ Javy’s Yankeeography!

    Like I said, though, you never know. He may come into a game out of the bullpen and key us to a victory. It’s possible. Crazier things have happened.

  73. Jerkface September 30th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    ALCS GM1 Fri DR0 CC
    ALCS GM2 Sat DR1 Andy / Andy short rest / Hughes
    ALCS GM3 Mon DR3 Hughes / Andy
    ALCS GM4 Tue DR4 CC short rest
    ALCS GM5 Wed DR5 Andy short rest / Hughes short rest
    ALCS GM6 Fri DR7 Andy / Hughes
    ALCS GM7 Sat DR8 CC short rest

    WS GM1 WED DR0 CC Short Rest
    WS GM2 THUR DR1 Andy long rest / Hughes long rest
    WS GM3 SAT DR3 Hughes super long rest / Andy super long rest
    WS GM4 SUN DR4 CC Short rest
    WS GM5 MON DR5 Andy Short Rest / Hughes Short rest
    WS GM6 WED DR7 Andy Short rest / Hughes short rest
    WS GM7 THUR DR8 CC SHORT REST

    This is the 3 man rotation

  74. Rich in NJ September 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Leaving Weaver in for 2 IP in 2003 was a throw the remote moment, but the guy did have four rings. He should, however, have been fired after the 2004 collapse, but iirc, he had just signed that ridiculous contract.

  75. m September 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Moseley’s not starting.

    11 pitchers?

    CC
    Andy
    Hughes
    AJ
    Rivera
    Wood
    Robertson
    Joba
    Logan
    ?
    ?

    Sergio/Gaudin/Moseley/Javy candidates for last two spots.

    Sergio is the best if the bunch. Moseley probably the most reliable.

  76. CR9 September 30th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Rich – For me, it was a break a glass top coffee table and put my foot through the wall moment. He essentially threw away a World Series. I find 2003 more reprehensible than 2004, because we were only 2 games away from a World Series.

    And I hope nobody every forgets Aaron Boone’s feeble attempt at getting a runner from 3rd in with 1 out – in extra innings iirc. He struck out on 3 inside pitches iirc.

  77. Jerkface September 30th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    You only have to pitch Andy/Hughes 3 times total on short rest, and both get ultra long rest following the ALCS. I think they should do it. Screw MLB and the whiners.

    Andy is going to retire I think anyways, let him go out with a bang.

  78. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Jerk, I think to get the optimum performances out of Hughes and Andy , they will need the full rest. I am advocating a fourth starter, not necessarily AJ.

  79. m September 30th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Moseley needs to be AJ’s caddy and take over at the first sign of trouble.

  80. SAS September 30th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    Only CC can pitch on short rest, and only in ALDS. It will be necessary to have a 4th pitcher in ALCS. A combination of AJ, Moseley/Nova seems to be the choice from my prospective. Mitre has pitched very little in the last few weeks, and Gaudin has been over used and not pitched well at all.

    =============================================================

    Jerkface,

    I love Andy who was having a great year until he went down. I am hoping for one more year.

  81. SAS September 30th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    Cashmoney,

    Great minds think alike…lol

  82. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    LOL, SAS , the great mind is all yours :) But we agree.

  83. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    Andy’s arm for 2010 is the freshest of all starters…..They may be able to get by with him once on 3 days rest…No way for Hughes….A 4th starter will be summoned at some point

  84. West Coast Yankee Fan September 30th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Understand it’s optimum if one’s starters do a great job, this team has to hit to win. Sabathia has had games where he pitched poorly, so has Pettitte and Hughes as well. There’s no telling how they will do on any given day. We need to score, early and often and especially with RISP.

    One thing is for sure, if this lineup lives up to it’s potential at the plate, we should beat anyone. Our lineup is loaded from top to bottom. If we hit we will win, even if our pitchers give up five runs.

  85. Crash September 30th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    There is no way Hughes is going to pitch on 3 days rest. They just spent the entire season watching his innings. No way they are going to let a young kid like that pitch on 3 days rest.

  86. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    WY, it’s not a huge deal, but oppose to Matsui, we will have berkman whom is still learning AL pitching, I don’t if he had face MN pitching at all.

  87. Carl September 30th, 2010 at 1:48 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....rn-fo.html

    Minor back problem for Andy

  88. G-C September 30th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    “There is no way Hughes is going to pitch on 3 days rest. They just spent the ENTIRE SEASON watching his innings. No way they are going to let a young kid like that pitch on 3 days rest.”

    I capped the key part of what you said.

    They spent this entire regular season watching his innings. Part of the benefit of doing that is that in the postseason, there are no rules, or those previously existing rules are significantly relaxed.

    If a key spot comes up and the Yankees see no option but to throw Hughes on three days rest, there’s no doubt in my mind that they’d do it. The fact that he pitched out of the pen as recently as last year should help him in terms of dealing with rebounding/recovering more quickly.

    If one or two starts in the playoffs on three days rest destroys Hughes’s arm, then he probably wasn’t destined to have a very long career in the first place.

  89. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    I want Moseley on th ALCS roster. Honestly when I think about I rather have him than AJ. The problem is he won’t get enough work to be effective as he is a sinker/slider guy.

  90. UnKnown September 30th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Basically if Joe really was managing to win the division he would not be making moves as a manager such that after the game he is always asked, Are you managing to win the division?. I betcha Maddon isn’t constantly being asked if he is managing to win the Division. The stupidity of Girardi’s moves forces this question to be asked day in and day out. All that needs to be said on the issue. Move on with the Wild Card and hope for the best

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan September 30th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Our rotations after Sabathia is a mess. Uncertainty abounds.

  92. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    If one or two starts in the playoffs on three days rest destroys Hughes’s arm, then he probably wasn’t destined to have a very long career in the first place.
    ————————————
    1.I disagree, I think even if there is a sliver possibility of Hughes hurting his arm on short rest , the Yankees won’t do it.

    2. the benefit of Andy and Hughes starting on short rest and possibly not effective outweighs the possibility of starting whomever ( no guarantee lost) and giving the other three full rests dictates a four man rotation.

  93. Cashmoney September 30th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    does not out weigh….

  94. UnKnown September 30th, 2010 at 1:59 am

    Mark Feinsand is reporting that Pettitte has a minor back injury. Great. I’m going to bed.

  95. SAS September 30th, 2010 at 2:02 am

    WCYF is right. If our lineup would just hit as they are supposed to be able to do, the pitching problems are greatly diminished.

    Good night all

  96. Nick in SF September 30th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    “Moseley needs to be AJ’s caddy and take over at the first sign of trouble.”

    Ball one, see ya!

  97. BJK September 30th, 2010 at 2:04 am

    One of the saddest things about Vazquez was that in trading for him, Cash thought he was getting a no-brainer type A free agent, which meant draft picks.

    After this season, Vazquez is a Type B, which means lesser pick. And to get that pick, you have to offer arbitration which after this year, Vazquez might actually accept.

    Hopefully he’d want out of New York and turn down arbitration, but the fact that arbitration will give him his largest payday is a problem. It’s Johnny Damon Part 2.

  98. m September 30th, 2010 at 2:38 am

    Sounds like it’s minor and done with. Hopefully Andy makes his next start with no ill effects.

  99. m September 30th, 2010 at 2:47 am

    Garza @ Greinke tomorrow. Hopefully the Royals don’t just roll over.

  100. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 3:06 am

    BJK…..Your point about Vasquez and what his free agnet rank is valid….However, the singular most upside in obtaining Javy was he’s ability to post 200 plus innings and winnig 16-17 games for the club in 2010……Well at least Boone Logan has exceeded all expectations….

  101. J-Boogie September 30th, 2010 at 3:26 am

    If they win the East and host Texas, I go CC game 1, Andy game 2, and Hughes game 3. Take the LHPs pitching at home and let Hughes pitch on the road where he’s done much better.

    If they’re the WC and go to Minny, I’d go CC game 1, Hughes game 2, and Andy game 3. Again, let Hughes pitch on the road, split up the lefties and pitch CC in game 4 if down 2-1. Yanks are better off having CC & Andy pitch at home where LHPs do better.

    I’m kind of not wanting to face Texas. Cliff Lee could pitch 2x in Yankee Stadium. Scary. Would rather see him in Texas but won’t happen. CC better be on those games. Yanks own Minny and might be better off as the WC. HFA is tough to pass up.

  102. m September 30th, 2010 at 3:40 am

    I like Hughes #2. I also like him in Texas. :)

  103. playing hurt September 30th, 2010 at 3:45 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    “trisha, I don’t usually repeat the same things over and over

    Well one of my deficiencies on the forum is not being able to keep up with all of the game posts. Too many go by when I am posting so I don’t get to catch up from where I was. I didn’t see you post anything 6 times. That isn’t to say that you didnt.
    —————————————————–
    Bravo ! Do we not see the utter humility and restrain that has been demonstrated against such a vile and belittling response? The reservoir of better humanity that fortifies against our more base nature is on full display against the howling beasts of incivilities.

    Against my better judgment to even temper with such sublime earnestness , I am simply smitten and awe by thy response which beckons the recognitions of your sound prospectives and utter diffidence.

    How many these haunting nights can one simply stood unyielding against the tide of rash judges , intemperate obscurantists ,and yet,withhold your righteous wrath against those who spew venoms at every turns to firm their banal faithlessness.

    The divine grace that is you simply amaze this humble soul to better itself in hope of a pale imitation of the sheer pillars of strength , mortification and wisdoms that you so possess without even a simple need of validation.

    It is with fullest hope and yet utter terror that I plead my case that you will continue navigate these dark waters of lohud with your infallible inner moral compass to guide us in these uncertain time of agitate.

    Carry on , the one , Carry on…

  104. Nick in SF September 30th, 2010 at 3:55 am

    Not everyone is getting it.

  105. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 4:17 am

    Nick in SF…….I’m not following this playing hurt gig…Some of it seems to be reasonable in a hazy way…..However, he came with peace and a flower in his hair…..Now just me another Yankee win ( 95 ) and I”ll buy into your Trippe rap

  106. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 4:38 am

    Some individual pitcher, will pitch a game that will surprise all…….A least expected pitcher who has struggled and now throws a gem………….Front cover type performance……..AJ Burnett will be that guy,,,,,,

  107. Nick in SF September 30th, 2010 at 4:41 am

    I am in need of TWO more wins, I got a worse line at 95.5 wins.

    I am hopeful but aprehensive…

  108. playing hurt September 30th, 2010 at 4:47 am

    In the occasion in which the gods of standard normal distribution will indeed dispense such a fortuitous outlier , such happenstance will be welcomed and relish by the denizens of lohud.

    Again this beckons the wisdoms The One on such occasions.

  109. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 4:51 am

    Nick -

    You may not believe it, but, AJ will get you one of those needed wins.

  110. m September 30th, 2010 at 4:51 am

    Tampa’s magic number is 3. Yankees need to stop losing.

    Though playing the Twins wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize.

  111. m September 30th, 2010 at 4:53 am

    playing hurt,

    Will you kindly stop posting your odes?

  112. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 4:54 am

    The Yankees numbers against the Twins are great, year after year, this year included, so, yes, a first round match-up against the Twins would be OK with me.

  113. Pat M. September 30th, 2010 at 4:57 am

    M, playing hurt is posting stoned…….later all

  114. playing hurt September 30th, 2010 at 4:57 am

    how can I refuse such a civilized request , m. tonight or forever ?

  115. Nick in SF September 30th, 2010 at 4:57 am

    AJ getting me a win would be a nice development… something to dream about.

    Goodnight.

  116. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 4:59 am

    Good night Nick – Take it to the bank, he’ll get it done.

  117. m September 30th, 2010 at 4:59 am

    Just saw a headline that Morneau will have a full workout tomorrow. His return would be an unfortunate development.

    We’ve played so poorly, it’s tough to say who we would match up well against. But I think I’d rather Tampa took a crack at Cliff Lee than us.

    Pavano always seems to pitch well against us, and Liriano is a tough draw.

  118. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 5:01 am

    Neither Liriano or Pavano has beating us this year, I still like the draw.

  119. playing hurt September 30th, 2010 at 5:01 am

    Yankees need to stop losing.
    ——————–
    The most cogent statement of the night… ta ta for now!

  120. m September 30th, 2010 at 5:01 am

    For as long as the Yankees are playing baseball? The longer the better. ;)

  121. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 5:03 am

    Lee vs Price, that should be a good match up. If Hamilton does not return, Texas will have a much tougher road.

  122. playing hurt September 30th, 2010 at 5:04 am

    :) well fine M, I ,of course , will need to repost my very last ode to the one tomorrow, I hope such decision will be okay in your book.

    Then I shall fade in to the black…

  123. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 5:04 am

    If Morneau does return, how effective will he be after such a long time off?

  124. m September 30th, 2010 at 5:06 am

    Texas has a better offense than TB. Price is very good, but the rest of the rotation is nothing to write home about. Shields ERA is in the same zip code as AJ’s.

    But I would gladly grab the opportunity to play either one in the second round should we draw Minny in the ALDS.

  125. m September 30th, 2010 at 5:15 am

    Fine. Maybe Kate or Doreen will inform the person in question that I’ve brokered a TRO on her behalf.

    Speaking of, calling all Law & Order fans. Want to get your take on LOLA. A little (lot) slow, but not too bad. Could not believe the chica from the Scary Movie franchise is an ADA. :)

  126. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 5:22 am

    m -

    I DVR’s both Law & Order shows, I’ll let you know after viewing.

  127. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 5:23 am

    Seem’s as though no team wants to grab the bull by the horns down the stretch.

  128. theREALkevin September 30th, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Lol @ girardi, “but swish hit it on the barrel” unreal… This guy is either oblivious or he just can’t resist lying his face off to the media… No problem with the double play it happens.. But that ball was not hit hard in the slightest, it was a rolled over bouncer to second… Unbelievable how joe tries to rationalize, defending your players is one thing but outright lying is simply another

  129. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Up all night, need to get some sleep, later.

  130. playing hurt September 30th, 2010 at 5:27 am

    Tangential thoughts before parting , the word ‘lola’ evokes the grand proses of Nabokov , the sad longings of Clapton, the inimitable quartet of the Beatles…

  131. playing hurt September 30th, 2010 at 5:29 am

    “lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta.”

    such a wonder is the English language….

  132. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Morning all.

    So disappointed about last night’s game. They had a chance to take first and couldn’t do anything with it. Another game lost in the early innings.

    Congratulations to ARod – who would have thought, just 2 or 3 weeks ago, that he would get 30 HRs and with 3 games to spare?

    I think from here on out, they need to simply prepare for the post-season. Interesting if Feinsand reported that Andy had some minor back issue, then of course Javy was starting last night – or anyone other than Andy. So, not so much of a mixed message by Girardi as it was a necessary “evil,” so to speak.

    I had not realized how many HRs Javy has given up this season. In the stratosphere. Why was Moseley not a better choice to start? Because the Blue Jays have hit HRs all season. Interesting though that Bautista didn’t have one last night – I guess that’s good?

    Joe had said he wasn’t going to pitch Javy for long; I guess he had him pencilled in for five. But he had thrown so many pitches, was obviously struggling every inning. I think once someone reached base in the 5th, that should have been it. Especially with an off day today. I simply don’t understand that non-move. (And by now, most of you know I’ve been loathe to be critical of managerial moves and non-moves.)

    And I wish Swisher had not swung at that first pitch with the bases loaded. It must have looked good to him, though. I’m sure he’d want that one back. But overall, they got hits – but couldn’t do anything with them. I don’t recall too many walks, either. Disappointing, but I’m sure they’re more disappointed than any of us.

    They have historically been able to do well in Boston. But you have Lester going for 20. And Buchholz has had a good year. Ah, as we should all know by know – the results cannot be predicted, so I’ll go with – they’ve done well at Fenway in the past – anything can happen – I’ll root for the Yankees to take 3. Might as well.

    Hey, and Tampa hasn’t exactly been tearin’ it up, either, so, I’ll figure on a split in KC. Again, why not? Might as well. This season has been anything but predictable.

  133. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    I think Javy was auditioning for a post season spot, especially after AJ’s horrible start earlier in the week. This doesn’t help Girardis decision any. I have the feeling AJ will be the 4th starter, but at this point I would feel better about Nova, an untested rookie.

  134. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 7:21 am

    upstate kate -

    Me too. Even last weekend against the Red Sox, he did get that double play before being taken out of the game, right?

    They could get 5 innings out of him. And he’s usually strong to start, so it would give the Yankees a chance to get out ahead. As opposed to AJ who has put them in a hole early.

    It wasn’t supposed to be like this…

  135. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    It’s all AJ’s fault.

  136. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    The Yankees are very lucky that Phil has had such a great season. I see him, as the original 5th starter, making up for Javy, who at least has won 1/2 his games. The real killer has been AJ, the #2 starter. Despite some of Girardi’s occasional questionable moves, this is on AJ, IMO.

  137. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 7:26 am

    I guess great minds think alike!

  138. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    upstate kate -

    Yes!!

    And I agree with your assessment.

  139. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    I think most people would agree that last night’s game was both a missed opportunity as well as critical to winning the division.

    For example, if we were to somehow take 2 of 3 from Boston and the the Royals split with TB we would lose the division on the tiebreaker because of last night’s loss.

    Of course it is still possible but much less likely now.

    Who cares anyway, right ? We’ll just beat the Twinkies is all. :)

  140. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 7:46 am

    winning the division would be nice, but getting to the post season is the most important thing…Twins or Rangers, who cares…bring em on!

  141. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    MTU -

    Who don’t like eating Twinkies?

  142. BIG AL September 30th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Later ……………

  143. blake September 30th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    I think you have to go 3 man in the ALDS…If there is a game 4 then regardless you throw CC in that game because even if you are winning it gives you the best chance to end the series early and would allow the team to rest before the ALCS….also it allows CC to pitch game 1 of that series (something he couldn’t do if he pitches Game 5)….

    If they do turn to AJ in game 4 of the ALCS then at the first sign the wheels are wobbleing you have to assume they are falling off and get hm out of the game quickly….can’t mess around with him in a playoff game.

    Congrats to Arod…go Royals and we’ll see what happens this weekend.

    MTU…braves are hangin in there ;)

  144. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    not a twinkies fan…its gotta be chocolate…ring dings…funny bones…snowballs…mmm
    Its been a very long time since I have had any of those, I wonder if they still taste as good as I remember

  145. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 7:54 am

    the wheels seem to be falling off the Padres, altho don’t the Braves play the Phillies this weekend?

  146. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Al-

    3 man rotation for the ALDS. Hope the offense shows up.

    One of the pups neded emergency surgery yesterday. It was a rough day. He’s OK now. Not a good day between the Yanks and that.

    Today should be better. Thanks for the photos.

  147. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    MTU- what happened?

  148. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Blake-

    2 of 3 wasn’t bad considering the difficulty. ;)

  149. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Kate-

    Abscessed anal gland.

  150. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    MTU -

    What with this disgusting rain that I have to drive a long distance in today, and the way the game turned out last night, among other things, I sure hope things break a little better over the next couple of days.

    Heavens knows that this season, there’ve been a lot of breaks along the way and they’ve been insidious. The Red Sox at least they were big blows and you can handle that better, I think. Here, it’s been one little ding after another. First, Javy returns and doesn’t start out so well and has to be shelved for a bit to straighten out. Then, Grandy, who got off to an impressive start with is game-winner against the Red Sox, goes down. Then it’s Nick Johnson, or, rather, Nick Who??? – from whom the Yankees got, what? a month? It was Jorge up and down, Alex up and down, it was every guy it seems getting hit by pitches or foul balls in such a way as to really affect their game but not bad enough to DL them, which ended up leaving the lineup short a little too much. AJ’s demise was especially insidious. He started great, slowed down, but then had a good July – good enough so you had to have hope for him the rest of the way; but then only one or two games since then where there was any glimmer of hope – and because he’s the #2 starter and because he’s historically inconsistent, those glimmers of hope were enough to keep hoping he’d turn it around and he never really did (not to mention the black eye, the bruised ear and the infamous “hands” incident). Then the biggest blow of all, Andy going down in the midst of one of his best seasons EVER.

    The pitching in the beginning of the season was strong and they got off to a very very good start. But once Andy went down, Javy started to falter again and AJ stinking it up, and Phil became less dominant, all you had left was CC to give innings. The bullpen had worked itself into a finely tuned machine, and then, Andy went down, and only CC could really give the bullpen innings relief. So now the bullpen started to show some wear and tear.

    And here we are, 3 games left to the season, hoping that all the bumps and bruises have healed just enough, hoping that 3 games is enough for these guys (the A lineup) to gel. Knowing that the post-season is a fresh start, but nervous enough to have to hope it really is.

    I still believe it’s possible for them to go all the way, but I won’t be surprised if they don’t. Disappointed, but not surprised.

  151. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Doreen,

    Lester’s pitching tonight so that’s one less problem they’ll be facing this weekend.

    If Tito goes full throttle they’ll see Dice-K, Buchholz & Lackey.

    Clay leads the league in ERA+ at 186. Yikes he’s had a good season.

  152. NYY fan in NH September 30th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    3 games in Fenway to pull this out and hope the Jays can be as competitive against the Rays as they were to the Yanks..

  153. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    I made home-made twinkies. So much better than the “real” thing. :)

  154. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Bronx Jeers -

    Thanks for that pick-me-up information! :)

  155. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Doreen
    its almost time for your post game recipe tributes!

  156. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Doreen-

    That’s a book but a pretty fair asessment. And you’re right it isn’t really over till it’s over.

    We’ll just have to see. The PS is different from the regular season.

    Prepare for anything.

  157. blake September 30th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Lester is by far the toughest matchup for the Yankees so that’s a good thing. They are going to have to play well and get some help from the Rays at this point. That’s secondary now to getting things lined up for next week….if it happens it happens.

    Have to focus on getting a split next week at Target Field then taking care of business at the stadium.

    Kate, yea they play the Phils but I’m hoping they will be in rest mode and the Braves can do well enough to hang on.

  158. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    MTU -

    Sorry about the book form, I kinda got on a roll and couldnt’ stop myself! :lol:

    upstate kate -

    Gotta stay with the Chocolate Chunk Cookies for CC. Perhaps instead of cookies using apple jacks cereal, we’ll have to go with some kind of alcoholic beverage using apple jack for AJ, IF he starts. That leaves Andy and Phil.

    Hmmmm…

    At least it’s a distraction, right? :lol:

  159. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    For me, there is no way Phil Hughes ever pitches on short rest………….none. First of all, he’s never done it – and you don’t start now in the playoffs. More importantly, the Yankees need to think ahead with this kid. The workload already going to be more than they anticipated (don’t think they figured on him starting), so they need to think ahead to 2011 and beyond., All year Cash has said (and Joe) that Phil’s health and career are more important than anything he could contribute this year (or something like that). I can not see them betraying this philosophy.

  160. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Blake-

    I do not know why Girardi persists in throwing Javy and AJ out there ?

    Why not tune up Moseley/Mitre/Nova ?

    Pat M. said last night that he thought AJ would “step up” at a critical time during the PS.

    I suppose it could happen just like game 2 last year but I sure wouldn’t want to count on it, and I sure wouldn’t predict it. ;)

    I’d rather not see AJ until the ALCS and probably not even then.

    He has fallen far but then again baseball is a game of redemption.

  161. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    There is no such thing as a minor back injury and especially not now – wow, that really stinks.

  162. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Doreen-

    Not a problem. I have done myself at times. :)

  163. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    “done it myself”. And yes I’m done alright. Sheesh. Damn typos. :(

  164. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    I don’t think we’re winning the division, so Joe needs to rest people – and pronto. Why he played Swisher last night is beyond me…………….

    I don’t feel overly positive about Boston – those are very tough pitching matchups. Mostly I’ll look forward to seeing Phil pitch a few innings. He may have to start if it means the division, but we’ll see.

  165. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    I love Pat M, thinking AJ is going to step up is wishful thinking. It has nothing to do with him not being a big game pitcher (I don’t think pressure is the problem) and everything to do with him being pathetically awful now. IF he has to pitch in the ALCS, it had better be game 4, but I don’t think he deserves a spot at all. Then again, it’s not like we have other great options; they all come with their own sets of issues.

  166. blake September 30th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    MTU,

    Man I don’t know…in some respects having AJ set up would be even more scary than having him start….I know I wouldn’t be wild about him being on the hill in a situation with the game on the line….

    I’d prefer not to see AJ at all in the postseason but I think we all had better get used to the idea of it if they make it to the ALCS.

  167. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Thinking about it, why AJ in a Game 4 in the ALCS? I’m trying to think how it would play out? I don’t want AJ in any game that means anything. I don’t think it’s an accident that the game he pitched well in the WS was game 2. Even though it was a “big” game in that it meant not going into Philly down 2, it was a game that had they lost, there were enough games left to try to recover. It would have been more difficult, sure, but not impossible. In both Game 5′s he pitched with a chance to end it, and he failed miserably.

    I guess right now, I just don’t want the guy on the mound at all. But I realize they may not have a choice, and hey, “good” AJ might show up. :?

  168. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Oops – I’m thinking ALDS not ALCS. Still, don’t want AJ on the mound. :)

  169. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Blake-

    “I’d prefer not to see AJ at all in the postseason but I think we all had better get used to the idea of it if they make it to the ALCS.”

    Yes. I’m afraid so. I do think it’s easier for fighter pilot to land his plane on a rolling deck in the middle of a big storm than it is to predict what AJ Burnett is gonna do from game to game.

    When he takes the hill you just have to keep your fingers crossed and have said your prayers the night before. :)

  170. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Doreen, now that I disagree with. If the Yankees had lost game 2, sorry – they aren’t winning that WS. That was by FAR the biggest game of the year………..the other game 5s don’t even come close to matching the pressure. I don’t get it anyway. You said Game 2 loss left then with enough time to recover – so did the game 5 losses.

    Nothing AJ has done this year should ever take away what he did in game 2; he saved the Yankees’ bacon.

  171. blake September 30th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    MTU,

    Sorry…I misread “step up” for “set up”…:)

  172. MTU September 30th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Betsy-

    “he saved the Yankees’ bacon.”

    That’s true.

    And this year he is cooking it. :(

  173. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Given Andy’s back issues, no way you can start him on 3 days rest …………..fantastic

  174. blake September 30th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Betsy,
    He started Swisher because had they won that game then they would still have had a relatively descent shot at the division….though I know that goes against him staying with Javy for so long but I do think they wanted the win last night. Again…it was a bit of mixed signals from the Yanks. We want to win badly enough to play the A lineup….but not badly enough to manage the pitchers with urgency.

  175. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Blake, I understand that, but Swisher hasn’t been right in a long time in terms of his health. The more time off we give him, the better.

  176. Betsy September 30th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Later!

  177. Doreen September 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Betsy -

    I’m mad at AJ. Not in the mood to give him credit for anything right now. It’s irrational. :)

    Game 2 was big. It was. And I should not take that away from him. But the fact remains he had two opportunities to end a playoff series in Game 5 and lost both games. And you’re right, they had time to recover from those losses, and they were coming back to YS.

  178. upstate kate September 30th, 2010 at 9:11 am

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