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Dallas Braden providing postseason analysis

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Dallas Braden became one of the Yankees most infamous opponents this season. Now he’ll be doing guest analyst work for MLB Network in the playoffs. Enjoy. Here’s the announcement from the network.

Some of the biggest stars of the 2010 Major League Baseball season will be spending the Postseason at MLB Network. Torii Hunter (Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim), Chris Young (Arizona Diamondbacks), Eric Chavez and Dallas Braden (Oakland Athletics) will serve as guest analysts on MLB Tonight throughout October as the network plans for more than 125 hours of live coverage in October. MLB Tonight Delivered by UPS will air live before and after every Postseason game.

Chavez, a six time Gold Glove-winning third baseman with five career trips to the Postseason, will be the first guest analyst to visit Studio 3, with a two-night stint on MLB Tonight starting Wednesday, October 6. Chavez’s teammate Braden, who threw the 19th perfect game in MLB history and the second in A’s franchise history this June, will appear on MLB Tonight on October 8 and 9. 2010 All-Star centerfielder Young, will join MLB Tonight on October 10 while four-time All-Star and nine-time Gold Glove winner Hunter, a frequent guest on MLB Tonight, will sit in-studio on October 11 and 12.

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233 Responses to “Dallas Braden providing postseason analysis”

  1. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Yanks will take Sux series 2-1 (not much confidence though)
    TB will split their series 2-2

  2. comet October 1st, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    SAS we will be in Phoenix for the upcoming two weeks. Any reasonably priced dining ideas. Staying in Mesa.

    TIA,

    Comet

  3. jesusmonterofordh October 1st, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    what no east coast guys, h@ters

  4. upstate kate October 1st, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Braden is the best they could do? There must be 100 other better choices. How about Morgan Ensburg? He has a great blog.

    Comet
    enjoy the nicer weather in AZ

  5. SAS October 1st, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Comet,

    There are lots of reasonably priced restaurant throughout the area. I never go to Mesa so I don’t know about their restaurants. I also don’t know what you consider reasonably priced. There are a ton of chains throughout the area; some with good food. I can’t eat anything spicy so I don’t know good Mexican, Southwestern offerings.

  6. SAS October 1st, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    The heat is supposed to break this week, but it has been about 105 degrees every day. It should be in the high 90′s later this week, but I will be glad to give you an update closer to your visit.

  7. Betsy October 1st, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    What’s he going to do? Tell the other analysts not to cross in front of him?

    I don’t care either way as I doubt I’ll be listening.

  8. MTU October 1st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Comet-

    Let me know if you want to come to Utah to visit while you are out this way.

    I do not know what you are looking for in a place to live but there are some very good values here, and the quality of life is excellent IMO.

    Gotta run. I’ll check back later to see your response.

  9. Erica in NY October 1st, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Betsy-

    Did you have a rough time getting to work this morning?

    It took me an hour and a half and our parking lot was completely flooded. (I took a great picture)

  10. SAS October 1st, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    There are restaurant sites on the internet. Oh, I do have one idea for us baseball lovers…Don and Charlies. You will get a kick out of the baseball memorabilia. It is a steak and ribs type place out of Chicago originally with millions of dollars worth of baseballs, bats, football, golf, hockey stuff. The food is good and if you really want to keep the price down, you can get a hamburger in the bar.

    Don and Charlies is in Scottsdale near downtown. It is a good restaurant, and we go a lot.

  11. Betsy October 1st, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Wow, Neyer with breaking news – the Sox will open 2011 as co-faves with the Rays and Yankees.

    I don’t get this either:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....hields-era

    For anyone who’s a sabre hound, I guess I don’t see how a pitcher with a 5 ERA can be a good pitcher (not saying Shields is bad, but I can’t say he hasn’t had a bad year). I don’t see how stranding baserunners is not a skill – in fact, that seems like a foolish comment (Andy has made a living diong this). Also, what is xFIP? I see that Shields apparently has a low xFIP but I don’t know how this relates to his performance. In a recent RAB article, they showed Phil’s stats:

    **Hughes has made 29 starts (and one one-inning relief appearance) and pitched to near-perfectly aligned 4.21 ERA, 4.30 FIP, 4.38 xFIP, and 4.30 tRA. **

    Can anyone explain what this means? Obviously Neyer is saying that Shields’ has been unlucky…..

    Thanks!

  12. pat October 1st, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    YankeesPR Greeting to our newest Yankee tweeter @cgrand14

  13. Betsy October 1st, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Erica, not really. Anyplace where there was even a slight depression in the road, of course there was a huge puddle – the biggest annoyance was getting hit by the backsplash of water created as other cars went through the puddle. That was kind of iffy – but I didn’t run into that problem often and I only work 10 minutes from home. How about you?

  14. Betsy October 1st, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Oops, I just saw that – sorry about that Erica, but at least you got there safely! My parents were driving to Newport, Rhode Island in this mess…….what a day they picked, lol

  15. Cashman needs to go October 1st, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    upstate kate October 1st, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Braden is the best they could do? There must be 100 other better choices. How about Morgan Ensburg? He has a great blog.

    **********************

    I think its all about ratings – I can almost guarantee they’ll have Braden commenting exclusively on the yankee games – so that anyone who knows the history of braden and the yankees will tune it to see what he has to say..

    speaking of Mr 209 (and I have mentioned this a few times recently) he has had a pretty nice year and he’s lefthanded…..he’s the A’s #4 or 5 starter – so i would think that trading for him may not cost too much…..if i were GM i would look into giving billy beane a call this offseason to see what it would take to get him on the yankees…..i would try to expand the trade by getting kurt suzuki so the yankees have their bridge to montero for 2012…..would romine (or cervelli if they’re crazy enough to take him), nunez, miranda and 1 or 2 of the AAA arms get it done?

    so for 2011 you have posada catching 30 – 40 games and dh’ing 90-100 or so, suzuki catching 80 – 100 and montero catching the rest and dh’ing (when posada sits and not dh’ing the older players) for 2012 you’ll have montero doing the bulk of the catching and suzuki the rest (unless you can trade him off for other pieces if one of the other catchers in the minors are ready to come up)….

  16. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Grandy!

  17. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    No way they eat 3 years of Burnett salary. Maybe in the final year, they’d eat $12 million – about 75% of it and move him to a NL team. But if you’re going to eat that much of the salary, you darn well better get something of value in return.

  18. Betsy October 1st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Later!

  19. comet October 1st, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    MTU and SAS:

    Thanks SAS! MTU would like to get to UTAH but limited time, next time. Leave tomorrow.

    Thanks again,

    C

  20. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Cashman – I dont think Braden would be on the Yankees’ radar. What they did 2 years ago was get CC and AJ – 2 guys with swing and miss stuff. Last year, they get Javier Vazquez – an innings eater with swing and miss stuff. They will go after Lee this offseason – a guy with swing and miss stuff. Braden is a contact pitcher, dont think we’d be interested in him.

  21. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Betsy,

    With respect to xFIP and FIP:

    FIP is a pitching statistic based solely on home runs allowed, walks, HBPs and Ks. The key to FIP is the assumption that BABiP is not controlled by the pitcher, so if you eliminate that and focus on the three “true outcomes” (i.e. HR, BB, K), you arrive at a statistic which is a “true” measure of pitcher ability, uninfluenced by the fielding ability of the players around him, or the “luck” of where a batted ball which is not a HR goes.

    xFIP goes a little further, the theory being that HRs allowed are often based on chance and the size of the park. Studies have shown that HRs allowed are a function of flyballs allowed and the park, so instead of using HRs a “normalized” HR factor, based on the number of flyballs hit off the pitcher and the park in which the flyballs were hit. So theoretically, at least, xFIP ought to be a “truer” measure of pitcher ability.

    Both measures are based on the idea that pitchers do not control BABiP off them. There are mathematical studies backing the idea up, but lately this notion seems to be getting increased scrutiny among sabremetricians. I think people are coming around to the belief that the groundball rate, flyball rate and line drive rate of a pitcher are linked to the pitcher’s BABiP, but to what degree seems to be at issue.

    So, anyway, when you see articles categorizing pitchers based on FIP or xFIP, just remember what the stats are measuring, what they aren’t measuring and what the assumptions are.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan October 1st, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Minaya and Manuel gone.

  23. Erica in NY October 1st, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Morneau will be out at least through the ALDS

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....ns-morneau

  24. Doreen October 1st, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    WCYF –

    When? Where did you hear that? Before the end of the season?

  25. Erin October 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    JackCurryYES Forecast could change, but, with 70 pct chance of rain in Boston by 8 PM tonight, Yankees must be cautious with Pettitte (groin, back).

    JackCurryYES Pettitte’s next start is priority over Burnett’s next start because Pett is guaranteed post-season start. Yankees sure 2 act accordingly.

  26. JM October 1st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Doreen,

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....?eref=sihp

  27. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    ESPN

    Manuel, Minaya gone by Sunday?
    9:20AM ET
    New York Mets

    * Top
    * Email

    It has been a foregone conclusion that big changes are coming to Queens. That shakeup could come shortly after the New York Mets finish their season Sunday against the Nationals.

    Andy Martino of the NY Daily News writes Friday that the Mets will likely inform Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya about plans to employ a new manager and head of baseball operations in 2011. The team, however, does not appear close to naming those replacements.

    The Mets will miss the playoffs for the fourth straight season and were assured of a losing record after falling to Milwaukee on Thursday night.

    Minaya’s situation is complicated by the two years and about $2.5 million remaining on his contract. Martino reports it is clear that Minaya will not remain as GM, and it is still possible he will be dismissed entirely. There also is a chance that Minaya could be retained in a reduced role.

    As for possible replacements, Martino says the Mets have not contacted former Arizona GM Josh Byrnes. Other names that have surfaced include Rangers GM Jon Daniels, a New York City native, and former Indians GM John Hart.

    Joel Sherman of the New York Post wrote earlier this month that the Mets’ problems are in-house. It is becoming more and more apparent that CEO Jeff Wilpon isn’t the easiest boss to work for, and that could scare away some quality candidates such as Hart or Daniels.

    - Doug Mittler

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan October 1st, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Doreen October 1st, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    WCYF –

    When? Where did you hear that? Before the end of the season?

    ************

    Jon Heyman. After season.

  29. blake October 1st, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    SJ,

    Thanks for the response in the prev thread…my only hope is that if he doesn’t improve and they have better options to take his place then they won’t continue to force him out there because of what they are paying him…maybe find other ways for him to contribute.

  30. Doreen October 1st, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Thanks, WCYF.

  31. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    “Mike Lupica of the Daily News writes Friday that the Yankees rotation looks awfully shaky when you get past Sabathia.”

    LOL! Gotta love the guy for his consistency!

  32. Carl October 1st, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    August Romine lol

    He said it again.

  33. tk October 1st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “So, anyway, when you see articles categorizing pitchers based on FIP or xFIP, just remember what the stats are measuring, what they aren?t measuring and what the assumptions are.”

    I really like that point Wave. I find these stats useful, but I think there has been a tendency to simply read too much into them. For example, in Law’s chat yesterday he excluded CC from his top 5 AL Cy Young contenders. When asked a follow-up about that, he cited Fan Graph’s WAR as a reason. To me, that seems to be taking fielding independent stats far beyond their original intent. Watching CC pitch all season surely gives me a biased point of view, but I find it extremely difficult to believe there are five (or six, it sounded like he had Weaver next) AL pitchers who have been more valuable this season.

  34. Don October 1st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Braden will show everyone how they do broadcasting in the 209.

  35. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Not to intentionally disparage AJ Burnett, but I can see him and Braden becoming fast friends. Lots of similarities; though Braden was by far the better pitcher this year.

  36. Don October 1st, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    “Mike Lupica of the Daily News writes Friday that the Yankees rotation looks awfully shaky when you get past Sabathia.”

    LOL! Gotta love the guy for his consistency!
    ————————-

    For once I agree with Lupica.

  37. Erin October 1st, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    pcaldera The gentleman checking in media at the Fenway Park entrace says the rain will clear out at 5 p.m. today. Good enough for us. #fenwayforecast

  38. Carl October 1st, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    # Don October 1st, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    “Mike Lupica of the Daily News writes Friday that the Yankees rotation looks awfully shaky when you get past Sabathia.”

    LOL! Gotta love the guy for his consistency!
    ————————-

    For once I agree with Lupica.

    The point is, it’s been that way since Andy went down!

    We already know this Mike.

  39. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    While I see our rotation as shaky, only due to Andy’s “injury”, Phil Hughes is by no means shaky or a question mark. If Phil Hughes was on the Red Sox with Jon Lester – and they had no Clay, the very same Lupica would say that Phil Hughes was a superstar and their rotation was shaky after 1 and 2.

    ___

    AJ Burnett has 2 rings; is a likable guy. Braden is a dirtpile; a steaming pile of dog poo. I apologize for the insult to dog poo. :)

  40. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    CR9 — I know it’s hard to be objective, but Burnett is in the lower quartile of MLB pitchers this year. No way to sugarcoat it. The operative word is incendiary.

  41. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Objectively, who is a better number 2 than Phil Hughes – with Andy Pettitte being the healthy actual 2

    ??

    Not Carl Pavano, not Matt Garza, not CJ Wilson.

  42. Cashmoney October 1st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    I seldom read lupica or law, though the few times I read them they struck me as extreme arrogant and self assured.

  43. Doreen October 1st, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I’m sorry, what do AJ Burnett and Dallas Braden have in common? I have never heard AJ Burnett shoot off his mouth as Braden did.

    AJ may be having a bad year professionally, and you say you don’t want to disparage him, but then you compare him to Mr. “Don’t cross my mound” in the 209 Braden?

  44. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    YankfanCA – I agree. Burnett has been one of the worst pitchers in baseball this year. Absolutely. But I wouldnt want Braden in place of him. For obvious reasons.

  45. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Both are hardscrabble guys laden with tattoos; I don’t believe either is very bright. One inflicts pain upon himself physically, the other does so by opening his trap.

  46. Cashmoney October 1st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    The Yanks could use a Dallas Braden at this point, despite of his tomfoolery and antics he is a pretty decent pitcher. He has good command and mix his pitches pretty well.

    > Burneet this season , but who isn’t?

  47. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    “Both are hardscrabble guys laden with tattoos; I don’t believe either is very bright. One inflicts pain upon himself physically, the other does so by opening his trap.”

    What the Byfuglien??????????? :lol: HAHAHA!!!

    AJ Burnett – tattoos and all – is a likable character. Inflicts pain upon himself??? Ya got proof? AJ is not bright? Proof?

    The only thing 2 have in common is that they are both alive and their heads are not frozen like Teddy Losegame!!!!!!!! :)

  48. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Well, I’ll say this about Burnett: He was smart enough to sign an enormous contract. He took the Yanks to the cleaners on that one.

  49. SJ44 October 1st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Cashman on Kay’s show (ESPN 1050) at 3:20 eastern.

  50. Bronx Jeers October 1st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Greetings from Bahston!

    Braden? Really?

    I hope they fix that wreck of a piehole before they start beaming it into every living room.

  51. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Cashmoney – Let me help you understand something. Fairly easy.

    You stick Braden on the Yankees, and his command goes out the window as his pitches dont get called strikes any longer. For Braden of the NYY to get strikes, he has to throw it right down the middle. When he does, it gets hammered, and his 4.00 ERA or whatever it is with Oakland turns into 6.00 ERA with us.

    Braden is a slop thrower and nothing more.

    Remember Jon Lieber with us. Mr Control/Command but 2 hits/inning. Braden would be 1,000 hits an inning because of the slop he throws!

  52. pat October 1st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    More people might appreciate Braden’s pitching talent if his mouth wasn’t blocking the view.

  53. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    How about when he cut his hand after another poor performance? Self-inflicted. And the eye? Who knows, but you would never see CC or Pettitte like that.

  54. SAS October 1st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    WFAN confirms through Jon Heyman that Manuel and Minaya are out.

  55. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    YankFanCA – Whatever. You’re obviously anti-Burnett for his disastrous performance this year.

    Ya know who else could have very easily cut his hand when smashing crap in the dugout?

    Paul O’Neill. Ya know what O’Neill was? A warrior, a leader, a winner.

  56. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    And what does Burnett offer, CR9? Lots of wild pitches, hit batsmen, long homers, stinging line drives, stolen bases against . . . but always with the belief that he deserves the ball.

  57. Erin October 1st, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    YankeesWFAN Raining lightly now. Forecast says heavy rain later. That’s all I know. Umps will tell us when to play ball. #youcantpredictweather

    YankeesWFAN Simple formula for the weekend: Yanks win 2 + Rays lose 2 = Yanks win AL East and homefield thru ALCS.

  58. Cashmoney October 1st, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    CR. Braden’s ER is 3.50 , you stick on the Yankees right now, he immediately becomes the fourth starter in the post season.

    I will the leave the strike zone argument to yourself.

  59. JM October 1st, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    AJ actually had one of his better performances when he had the black eye. Maybe someone should slug him (carefully to avoid major swelling) tonight to prepare him for tomorrow’s appearance.

  60. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    “For example, in Law’s chat yesterday he excluded CC from his top 5 AL Cy Young contenders. When asked a follow-up about that, he cited Fan Graph’s WAR as a reason.”

    And not all WAR statistics are the same, either. Fangraphs, I believe, is context neutral while the Baseball Reference variety includes a leverage factor.

    Either one can be useful, depending on what is being discussed and what you want to measure. But, like any stat, you can mislead yourself if you use a sabremetric stat for a purpose the stat wasn’t designed for.

  61. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Ridiculous to even mention O’Neill and Burnett in the same breath. One was an intelligent, highly driven performer, who squeezed every last ounce out of his talent. The other is Burnett.

  62. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    YankfanCA – What does Burnett offer? First, I dont want Burnett seeing the ball in a close playoff series. But to answer your question, he offers what he offered in Game 2 of the ALDS, ALCS, and World Series last year. The occasional shutdown performance that gives the team the ability to win.

    Braden doesnt offer anything but slopballs!

  63. SJ44 October 1st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Why is that Burnett’s fault?

    Instead of whining, perhaps you ought to look back in time.

    The guy came off an excellent 2008 season. Go back and look at Burnett’s numbers, particularly against the AL East. If the Yankees didn’t sign him coming off that season, folks on here would have lost their minds.

    He pitched well enough last year and won some important games for the Yankees. In fact, he won the most important game of the season last year (Game 2 of the WS) for the Yankees.

    He started out 4-0 this year. From May 1 on, he fell off the cliff.

    Now tell me who would have predicted that given what he provided the team prior to May 1 of this year?

    Guys have terrible seasons. It happens. To predict it was going to happen this year, especially after the way he started out, is revisionist history at its best.

  64. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Cashmoney – His 3.50 ERA in the AL West! Forget about my umpire argument, you stick that bum in the AL East, and it’s up to 5.00 ERA

  65. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    O’Neill was so smart that he smashed things every time – an exaggeration – he made an out. While smashing things, he could have hurt himself seriously. You call that smart?

    I have no problem with AJ smashing something if he’s angry at his performance. At least he cares.

  66. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Okay, SJ44 — let’s see what happens in 2011. Let’s see if AJ proves to be anything more than a 5 ERA pitcher. In fact, let’s see what happens over the next 3 years of his contract, assuming he’s here for the duration.

  67. blake October 1st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    I don’t see how anyone could have CC outside their top 5 for CY young….I understand the argument for Felix but outside the top 5…come on, that’s too much looking at numbers and too little watching baseball games.

    Say what you want about Dallas Braden but he is a significantly better pitcher than AJ Burnett right now and had you swapped the 2 for this season the Yanks would have already clinched the division by now.

  68. pat October 1st, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    YankeesWFAN Odd statistical find from Wed night’s boxscore: 10 pitchers appeared in NYY/TOR game. Sergio Mitre had most K’s (3).

  69. Cashmoney October 1st, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    CR , you are an intelligent guy, let me just ask you this question. Would Dallas Braden automatically become Yankee’s fourth starter in post season over anyone else.

    By the way, Dallas away era is 3.42 , lower than his home era. He walks 2.0 guys per 9, gaves up .8 hr/9, in many ways he is your ultimate ‘crafy’ lefty this season. A lefty like that is valuable in Yankee stadium.

  70. Erin October 1st, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    YankeesWFAN Odd statistical find from Wed night’s boxscore: 10 pitchers appeared in NYY/TOR game. Sergio Mitre had most K’s (3).

  71. SJ44 October 1st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    What do you propose they do?

    Unless you have a logical solution, whining everyday about AJ Burnett, and playing the revisionist history game, accomplishes nothing.

    Nobody is debating that AJ Burnett has been awful for the past 5 months.

    However, the fact is, he helped them win a WS last year, and started out great this year before falling off a cliff.

    Try as you might, you can’t predict the future.

    You have no idea how he will pitch next year. Nobody does.

    All they can is work with the guy right now.

    He’s healthy and he wouldn’t be the first guy to bounce back after a bad season and pitch better this year.

    Especially if he realizes its time to be more than just a two pitch pitcher.

  72. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Cashmoney – Ya know what, you’re right. He probably is a fairly decent pitcher, that would be a little worse in the AL East. I have a hateful bias against the guy for acting like trash. Yes, he would be a quality 4 in a postseason rotation.

  73. Cashman needs to go October 1st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    Cashman – I dont think Braden would be on the Yankees’ radar. What they did 2 years ago was get CC and AJ – 2 guys with swing and miss stuff. Last year, they get Javier Vazquez – an innings eater with swing and miss stuff. They will go after Lee this offseason – a guy with swing and miss stuff. Braden is a contact pitcher, dont think we’d be interested in him.

    ***************

    I don’t doubt lee is priority – but you may want to revisit the “swing and miss” stuff about AJ and vazquez (Oh and innings eater titles as well) –

    braden – lefthanded, makes 420K, 1.16 whip in 2010 (and gotten better each year he’s pitched) 187 innings pitched so far this year (a REAL innings eater and he was on the DL for a stint), 3.5 era (and gotten better each year he’s pitched), threw a perfect game AGAINST the RAYS, shut the yankees down twice in the 2 games he pitched against them, has got BALLS when he pitches (unlike javy and aj), will be the 5th starter on the yankees

    just for comparison

    braden whip this year – 1.16
    sabathia’s whip this year = 1.19
    pettite’s whip this year = 1.22
    hughes whip this year = 1.25
    burnett whip this year = 1.52
    king felix whip this year = 1.06
    jon lester whip this year = 1.20
    verlander whip this year = 1.16

    what was that you were saying about Mr 209 being a contact pitcher?

  74. Patrick October 1st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Why are we talking about Dallas Braden as the Yankees 4th starter? He’s a mediocre pitcher, the perfect game was a fluke. He’s better than Burnett or Vazquez in 2010 but that’s not saying much.

  75. Doreen October 1st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Yes, let’s do see what happens in 2011. No one has any idea what’s going to happen – to AJ or to anyone else for that matter.

    It really is annoying when people get angry and vindictive because ballplayers have the nerve to have a bad season. As if they did it on purpose.

  76. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    I said that when we signed AJ and traded for Vazquez, they were both strikeout pitchers or pitchers with swing and miss stuff – with Javy being an innings eater.

    Yes, they were both horribly bad this year for us.

    And quoting their WHIP doesnt say that Braden isnt a contact pitcher.

    I mean that Braden pitches to contact and is not a strikeout pitcher.

    I believe it’s the Yankees philosophy to go after swing and miss stuff, like CC/AJ/Vazquez/Lee.

    However, Braden would be a nice addition to the Yankees to replace Pettitte – if he retires – as the 5.

    I just dont like the guy, though.

  77. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    SJ44 — Yes, they are stuck. The problem is that Burnett has never been able to really maximize a ton of God-given talent. Whether that’s all due to what’s between his ears, we don’t know.

    And you, oh mighty SJ44, have railed about Burnett’s putrid season often. As often as anyone else, in fact. Don’t make it sound as though you’ve been at all patient with Burnett.

  78. Patrick October 1st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Screw that, I don’t want Braden. If Pettitte retires just let Nova or one of the young guys be the 5th starter.

  79. SJ44 October 1st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Braden also pitches in an extreme pitchers ballpark, which affects his numbers in a big way.

    He’s ok, nothing special.

    Pitching in the AL East would expose him more than pitching in the AL West.

  80. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Sorry to annoy you, Doreen.

  81. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    “The guy came off an excellent 2008 season. Go back and look at Burnett’s numbers, particularly against the AL East. If the Yankees didn’t sign him coming off that season, folks on here would have lost their minds.”

    I can’t resist…Here’s a post from November, 2008:

    Wave Your Hat November 18th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    His [Burnett's] career ERA+ is 111. He will be 36 in the last year of of a five year deal.

    These are the stats of an above average pitcher who misses a lot of starts.

    If the Yanks get CC, why is it so necessary that the Yanks commit to 5 years at around $15MM to this guy? Or even 4 years? Couldn’t the money be applied more profitably elsewhere, i.e. offense? Would Andy or Moose be that much worse on an expected basis, for a lot less total commitment?

    Why is it necessary for the Yanks to lock up 4 out of 5 of their pitching slots for the foreseeable future?

    IMO, Burnett will disappoint if the Yanks commit those resources to him.

  82. SJ44 October 1st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Railing about it now is a waste of breath since he will have little or any role in the post-season and the post-season is all that matters now.

    Next year will take care of itself.

  83. Cashman needs to go October 1st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

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    how upset were you when the yankees signed wade boggs, roger clemens, johnny damon (especially) and were ready to sign nomar a few years ago..

  84. YankFanCA October 1st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Hope you’re right about his role in the post-season. We’ll see. Girardi might surprise.

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  86. MG October 1st, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    All the complaining about Burnett isn’t going to help the Yankees win the World Series in 2010. In order for that they need CC to pitch like he has all season, for Andy to be healthy and pitch to his career numbers, and for Phil to pitch the way he did against the Sox on Sunday. Add even average hitting to that and Mo being Mo and it’s #28 for sure, there is no team in baseball that can compete with the Yankees playing at that level.

    As for Burnett, he has had a horrible season but, as SJ said, he was great early this year and nothing has happened physically to create this huge discrepancy in performance. Give him an off season to regain whatever mental toughness he has and maybe he’ll be a serviceable (12-14 wins, 4.3-4.5 ERA) starter in the #5 spot for the next 3 years. If not the Yankees have other options in the system and I’m sure will get Cliff Lee as a free agent, I just don’t see him wanting to continue to pitch in a ballpark and climate where he isn’t thriving.

  87. CR9 October 1st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Cashman – I always thought that wearing the pinstripes would inject some class into those 3. And it did.

    Nomar? When were we interested in that slime ball? Braden – I have no such belief that he could gain class. I could be wrong, though. The pinstripes are omnipotent!

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  89. jacksquat October 1st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Wave Your HatOctober 1st, 2010 at 3:27 pm“The guy came off an excellent 2008 season. Go back and look at Burnett’s numbers, particularly against the AL East. If the Yankees didn’t sign him coming off that season, folks on here would have lost their minds.”
    I can’t resist…Here’s a post from November, 2008:
    Wave Your Hat November 18th, 2008 at 11:29 am
    His [Burnett's] career ERA+ is 111. He will be 36 in the last year of of a five year deal.
    These are the stats of an above average pitcher who misses a lot of starts.
    If the Yanks get CC, why is it so necessary that the Yanks commit to 5 years at around $15MM to this guy? Or even 4 years? Couldn’t the money be applied more profitably elsewhere, i.e. offense? Would Andy or Moose be that much worse on an expected basis, for a lot less total commitment?
    Why is it necessary for the Yanks to lock up 4 out of 5 of their pitching slots for the foreseeable future?
    IMO, Burnett will disappoint if the Yanks commit those resources to him.

    Except your main criticism here is that he misses a lot of starts, there’s no prediction he will become Mr 5+ ERA.

    We should be so lucky that he had missed a lot of starts this year…

  90. Yank 97 October 1st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    “I just don’t see him wanting to continue to pitch in a ballpark and climate where he isn’t thriving.”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you implying Burnett will retire if he can’t get it together next year?

    If so, there is no way he is leaving $50 million on the table. If he pitches like this into next year, he will be Oliver Perez’d.

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan October 1st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    “What’s A Jeter Worth”?

    New York Times article today.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10.....ref=sports

  92. Cashmoney October 1st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Let’s hope my favorite NL team will clinch tonight . Giants vs SD is the best match up of the tonight.

    I am pretty meh about these three games with Boston.

  93. MG October 1st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Yank 97 October 1st, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    “I just don’t see him wanting to continue to pitch in a ballpark and climate where he isn’t thriving.”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you implying Burnett will retire if he can’t get it together next year?

    If so, there is no way he is leaving $50 million on the table. If he pitches like this into next year, he will be Oliver Perez’d.
    ——————–
    you need to reread the comment, that reference is to Cliff Lee…

  94. West Coast Yankee Fan October 1st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    “Baseball will show its true colors, the Yankees will show their true colors by how they conduct these negotiations,” said Ken Burns, the filmmaker who recently released “The Tenth Inning,” his and Lynn Novick’s four-hour follow-up to the 18 ½-hour documentary series “Baseball.” Burns is a Red Sox fan but loves Jeter.”

  95. Doreen October 1st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

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    Don’t take it personally. It’s not just you – I don’t understand the personalization of it all. I have complained about AJ’s performance, too. It would be weird if fans didn’t – he had an abyssmal year – nothing close to what we hoped for – and not even close to what we expected (.500). I just don’t get the trashing of a person. The performance, yes; the person, no.

  96. West Coast Yankee Fan October 1st, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    I didn’t see this, how awesome and classy of the captain:

    “On Wednesday, during a celebration of Manager Cito Gaston’s home final game in Toronto, Jeter, leading off, tipped his cap toward Gaston in a classy show of respect”.

    “The accepted symbol of what is good about baseball is Jeter,” Burns said. “There is a part of every Red Sox fan who has to acknowledge that as much as you hate the Yankees there is something great at the core of Derek Jeter.”

  97. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    jacksquat-

    I can probably find some others where I did, but I’ll stick with the last line of the 2008 comment.

  98. Cashman needs to go October 1st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

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    Orioles = 2 gs, 1-0, 11ip, 3bb’s, 8k’s, 1.64era, 0.82 whip, .162 baa
    redsox = 2 gs, 0-1, 10.1ip, 5bb’s, 8k’s, 4.35era, 2.03whip, .372baa
    yankees = 2gs, 1-1 (in the loss he gave up 1 run in 5ip), 11ip, 3bb’s, 6k’s, 2.45era, 1.0 whip, .211 baa

    rays = 3gs, 1-2, 19ip, 5bb’s, 10k’s, 4.26era, 0.89 whip, .176 baa
    bluejays = 1gs, 1-0, 7ip, 2bb’s, 5k’s, 1.29era, 0.71 whip, .125 baa

    against the rays he pitched a perfect game, a game where he gave up 6er and 8 hits in 4ip and a game where he gave up 3er and 4 hits in 6ip – so 2 out of the 3 starts were “quality starts”

    against the redsox he gave up 10 hits and 1er in 4.2 ip (that was his first game back after coming off the DL for a month) and 6 hits and 4er in 5.2 ip

    seems to be pretty good vs the AL East…

  99. Yank 97 October 1st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

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    Are we actually talking about trading for Braden? if so, why would the A trade him unless you gave them a superior package to Dallas’ true worth.

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    *************

    My theory was that since he’s the A’s 4th or 5th starter you may be able to get him and kurt suzuki (the bridge to montero and being able to get rid of cervelli for next year) for a fair package – (cervelli or romine, nunez, a miranda type player and 1 or 2 decent AAA arms that have no chance of making the club….ever) – i don’t think you can do any better with what is available next year in free agancy starter and catcher wise…

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