What’s left from the left side
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 11, 2010 
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At this point, I don’t think anyone was counting on Damaso Marte helping the Yankees at all this postseason, but Brian Cashman’s announcement today that surgery seems likely further solidified the importance of Boone Logan.
“We love his arm,” Cashman said. “We’ve always liked his ability. I can’t tell you we were counting on it, but there’s power in numbers. That’s why in some of the deals that we did where we lost left-handed pitching, we demanded that we have him in part of that deal with Atlanta. Thankfully we got him. He’s done a terrific job.”
Logan was the other guy in the Javier Vazquez trade. Vazquez was the big name, Melky Cabrera was the proven major leaguer, Arodys Vizcaino was the top prospect and Mike Dunn was the young lefty on the verge.
Logan was the guy with some big league time, some big league stuff and no big league guarantee. Out of spring training, he seemed as likely to be stuck in Triple-A as play a significant role down the stretch. Then Marte went down with his sore shoulder, and Logan emerged as a different sort of pitcher than the one the Yankees saw off and on in the first half. He struck out 25 and allowed 14 hits in 21.2 regular-season innings after the all-star break. He found a spot right alongside Joba Chamberlain, Dave Robertson and Kerry Wood* to form the Yankees newest bridge to Mariano Rivera.
“Obviously we need him now more than ever,” Cashman said. “He’s been doing the job for a long time.”
* If you haven’t seen it, check out Kim Jones interview with the Yankees four-man setup crew.
Errors!
Well he looked out.
Carl-
You should totally converse with yourself again!
McCann is a player huh? Put his entire body in front of that plate.
3 Days, 22 Hours, and 20 Minutes until Game 1 of the ALCS
(Note: I am basing the countdown off the TBS website which says 8pm)
# Erica in NY October 11th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Carl-
You should totally converse with yourself again!
I will soon
Carl October 11th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
I will soon
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I must confess that I giggle every time I sign on in the morning and find you talked to yourself in the middle of the night
Great play by Mccann.
GirardisBinder Bobby Cox should get a binder.
13 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Didn’t you get the memo, Chad? It’s been renamed to the “Boone Logan” trade.
Kudos to Eiland for his work with Logan.
thats nasty…97 MPH 2 seamer.
Cmon Melky!
Oops. That was supposed to be “slip&slide Melky!
Boone Logan is exhibit A in sometimes you just have to put stock in the stuff rather than the stats AND let a guy adjust and find a role at the major league level.
If we demand young players (especially young relievers) to be lights out immediately to justify their place on the major league roster … well, what we demand is beside the point. Guess I’m saying the Yankees exhibited patience some fans didn’t.
That Kim Jones interview is pretty funny.
lil Timmy Lincecum vs Halladay. Can’t complain about that.
Another makable play that isn’t.
Think AG played that about as good as you can.
Looked like a legit hit to me. (unless you’re suggesting a throw on the fly would have gotten him?)
Lincecum looks like Mitch from “Dazed and Confused”.
“Think AG played that about as good as you can.”
Not an easy play by any means and its a base hit for sure but it didn’t look like he got much on the throw….yea I think a stronger throw there gets him.
btw – tonight’s most important game is again being played on a 120 yard field.
As a Giant fan, a 1-3 Vikings team has enormous appeal.
Now that was a nifty play by Gonzalez there. Thats what they needed.
Lincecum looks like Mitch from “Dazed and Confused”.
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He is Timmy Bong hit for a reason. I am pretty sure if cannabis is legal , half of the Giants would be smoking instead dousing champaign on each other as the prefer means of celebration
GB7,
On that passed ball by Posada, you said it should be a wild pitch.
Do official scorers take that into consideration? And do they use video replay when deciding between WP & PB?
Because if they saw the replay they saw what everyone saw which is the ball glancing off the heel of Posada’s mitt.
Is WP generally when it hits the ground or completely misses the catcher’s mitt? And PB when it is playable by the catcher?
Man its tough to pinch run for the only guy on your team that can hit in the 8th inning.
NL defense – atrocious
*take the cross-up into consideration
My thumbnail image for Lincecum has always been someone who took a wrong turn on his way to compete in the X Games.
If his dad didn’t program him to be a pitcher, he’s probably be in a half-pipe somewhere one of those BMX motocross tracks.
m – That passed ball on Posada in the CC game hit Posada’s glove/wrist area. It was a textbook passed ball.
Girardi and Eiland have done a pretty good job in developing a reliable bullpen on the fly in each of their 3 seasons (with Cashman’s help, of course) -
– In ’08, the season when all their starters not named Mussina either fell flat or were injured, they got decent production out of the pen from the likes of Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez.
– In ’09, when Veras and Ramirez bombed out early, DRob blossomed, Aceves was solid in long relief, and Hughes anchored the ‘bridge to Mo’ portion of the pen.
– This season, Logan has been the most pleasant surprise of the year (imo) for them and Wood solidified the pen when he came over.
Man I wish Conrad would hit a dinger or something to win this game.
CR9,
I know his glove was awkwardly positioned. Bad form or crossed up?
mel, a lot of official scorers will look at video and some will score them as wild pitches if there is a cross-up. They have 24 hours to change the scoring, so they can always go ask the pitcher and or catcher. Then, too, some go on reputations….like umpires. some scorers are as arrigant as umpires and players and figure that they are never wrong.
In other words, some use video, some don’t.
GB7,
That makes sense. In your opinion, is that a ball that could have been blocked?
That wasn’t a cross up – Posada just missed it.
No matter where it hits, if the ball hits the dirt, they score it as a wild pitch, even if it’s an easy stop. when a catcher calls for one pitch in a certain location and the pitch misses the target by two feet and the catcher misses it, he generally gets hammered on the call.
m – It may have been a crossup, but as long as the ball made contact with Posada prior to hitting the ground as it did, it will usually be called a passed ball. The whole sequence looked rather awkward, so I wouldnt be surprised if it was a crossup.
It’ll be a shame to watch two teams be eliminated mostly due to errors.
The ball definitely should have been caught by Jorgie! There wasn’t any reason for that passed ball. Though it didnt hurt us in the end
Brian Wilson looks like he’s wearing his high school uniform.
m October 11th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
GB7,
That makes sense. In your opinion, is that a ball that could have been blocked?
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He probably should have knocked it down, but, he just looked so surprised that sabathia missed by that far. Neither Sabathia or Posada is going to blame the other, though. They just move on.
AldotheApache October 11th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Girardi and Eiland have done a pretty good job in developing a reliable bullpen on the fly in each of their 3 seasons (with Cashman’s help, of course) -
– In ‘08, the season when all their starters not named Mussina either fell flat or were injured, they got decent production out of the pen from the likes of Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez.
– In ‘09, when Veras and Ramirez bombed out early, DRob blossomed, Aceves was solid in long relief, and Hughes anchored the ‘bridge to Mo’ portion of the pen.
– This season, Logan has been the most pleasant surprise of the year (imo) for them and Wood solidified the pen when he came over.
I agree, that’s an unsung attribute of this Girardi and Eiland. You can also add Farnsworth to that ’08 list, they got him straightened out a bit. Obviously these guys have talent, but it seems Eiland’s coaching and Girardi’s management has really been fruitful in the bullpen.
Blake, I haven’t watched the Braves a whole lot this year. But they have some impressive young BP arms along with Hanson.
I think Cox should have stick with this Kimbrel guy to face Huff yesterday as well.
Come on Conrad. How great would that be.
Yea they do have some big arms in their pen. I think they’ll be good for the next couple years if they can stay healthy.
Other than McCann, Hinkse is the guy they want up there.
if Billy Mays was still around, he’d give Brian Wilson’s beard a double thumbs-up.
Come on Hisnke!!
Brian Wilson looks like a box model for Just For Men for Beards and Sideburns [Black].
not getting those other batter’s box strikes tonight huh….
Hinkse with your best shot, cmon and Hinske with your best shot
Wilson, along with Werth, ought to be on the red sox with their filthy disgusting looks. It was really sad to see Wilson peppering the outside batter’s box – and getting every call that he desired – to close out Game 3.
wheres Melky? they need some Melky magic.
The Beard is looking scraggly, tonight.
Wilson’s a choker
Looks like Brian Wilson is in some trouble.
Logan deserves more credit than he’s gotten, IMO. It’s not like he got hot after he came back up and then went into a tailspin. The kid has been the goods for months – and now he’s doing it in the playoffs. I sincerely hope he can be productive next year as well.
It’s a shame about Marte; I’m not holding out much hope that he’ll help us next season, so we’ll need another lefty.
Melk already pinch hit in the 7th. Waaay too early
Melkey with the walk off?
Oh, they left him in, holy cow, imagine if the Melk man delivers???
Terrible at-bat. Hopefully Melky gets a hit here.
I’d love to see the Melk man put one in the gap
Prediction: Melky hits a ground ball that just eludes the pitcher and goes under the 2nd baseman’s glove to score the tying run from 2nd.
how bout bringing a little Yankee magic to Hotlanta Melky.
Cabrera’s up, but, unforunately, Melky Magic is like any other kind of magic. it’s just an illusion.
The Melkman gives good vibration?
Melky will foul off 6 pitches
season coming down to a Melky Cabrera at-bat = not good.
ouuuch, Melky
Ach, too jumpy Melky
Dang….
damn, I thought that ball was going to sail wide
I assumed folks wanted the Giants to face the Phils with their rotation in order…
No?
Good luck Bobby Cox, what a manager and class act.
The odds are slim to none IMO, the Phillies are as close as you get to an AL team – but go Giants!!!
wonder if Cox is going to take a defeat lap
Well it will be Giants vs. Phillies.
“The Melkman gives good vibration?”
I see what you did there…
This game is on Cox. He’s a players manager, but managed to play them out of the playoffs.
Well, just one game left in the division series level.
This is weird baseball tradition. Losing team ALWAYS watches the winning team celebrate.
As much as I wanted the Braves to win I know the Giants have a much better shot at beating the Phillies….Halladay vs Lincecum should be pretty compelling (though I’d take Doc every time)
Now that’s a guy I don’t miss from last season’s championship team – Melky Cabrera.
Bobby, thanks for intentionally walking Bernie Williams in 1996 so Steve Avery could walk in Wade Boggs in Game 4.
Go Giants. Beat the Phillies aka “H2O”.
Poor Melkster! WoooHoooo, buh bye Bravos!
Looks like Wilson uses Clyde Frazier’s goop.
m,
In fairness the Braves were playing without the Yankee equivalent of Cano, Arod, and Rivera. He made some questionable moves but he’s loyal to his players and unfortunately those players just weren’t good enough.
As an SF area resident, I’d be thrilled to see a ’62 WS rematch.
One of the neat moments of the year was seeing the triple play at the Coliseum vs. the A’s and then having the trivia posted that the Yanks’ last triple play involved Bobby Cox and Mickey Mantle.
I think if I were retiring like Bobby Cox, I think id take making it to the playoffs and not getting swept as a decent farewell. im bummed that the Braves didnt win tonight but I wouldnt want to see them get swept by the Phillies in the NLCS
Too bad about the Braves (I can’t stand the Giants), but they really weren’t very good in the second half and the Giants are better. The Giants are not a great team, but they have great pitching and because of that they can beat the Phillies. I really don’t care much about the NL until (if) the Yankees get there.
Feeble celebration. Has no one on the Giants roster ever won anything?
Shake the bottle and spray the champagne dammit.
They had one bad inning.
Lowe on short rest, gassed. Pull him,don’t let him load them up and then pull him.
I don’t blame nimrod the rest.
Lots of neophytes in the postseason=lots of nerves=lots of errors.
I take it the quality of play hasn’t been very good in the NL based on what I’m reading. The AL is still a better league despite the NL having the Phillies. These playoff teams simply have to go through a gauntlet all year – especially those in the AL East – and I think it prepares them for the playoffs better (not counting the Phillies, though, who are like an AL team)
Stuckey, my dad was a big fan of the beach boys. By osmosis, I enjoy them as well. Great harmony and good band.
10:41 post is for blake. Not sure where the nimrod came from.
Pet Sounds – one of the great albums of all time.
I hope the Giants DESTROY the Phillies.
I really hate the feelings and I want to see Nick in SF get his NYY/SF Giants WS.
Cash, it was funny to see, because looking as his beard, I kept thinking he might be crazy enough to match his namesake. Which is probably insensitive, but nevertheless the thought went through my mind.
I hope the Giants DESTROY the Phillies.
I really hate the Phillies and I want to see Nick in SF get his NYY/SF Giants WS.
Blake-
Sorry. One more chance to get our way tomorrow.
Giuseppe Franco October 11th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Now that’s a guy I don’t miss from last season’s championship team – Melky Cabrera.
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Cabrera has been a disappointment after his first full year. He has some good speed, smart base runner and a decent amount of alley power, but, he just went in the tank after that year. Even his best skill….fielding went down the tubes.
I’d rather the Yankees play the Phillies. They are a much better team against pitchers they are familiar with regardless of talent and they know Halladay and Hammels and have beaten them both.
Brian Wilson supposedly spent a year working on “Good Vibrations”.
I’ve always felt that if a genius spends a year working on one thing, it must be pretty damn good. In this case, it is.
Not me. The Phillies are a powerhouse.
Wilson reminds me a little of the Mad Hungarian.
m,
Yea, probably let Lowe talk him into leaving him in when he shouldn’t have…but that’s who Cox is. He trusts his players.
I feel good for Madison getting the win in his first playoff start.
I’d prefer beating the Phils 2 years in a row, with them having homefield, and answering all questions about who the best team is, but I could roll with a Giants/Yanks series.
Would have a nice retro feel and love their park. Would love to see Tex, Cano or Swish splashdown in the Bay.
Nice classy gesture by the Giants players to send of Bobby! Thanks Bobby for losing 2 World Series to us. I dont expect to see you in the Hall of Fame, solely for that reason.
The only thing scary about the Phillies is Doc. Otherwise they’re good, but not fantastic.
Agreed, GB.
Of course, I root for all Yankee players to do well. But Cabrera was one that I didn’t have a ton of patience with and I’m not really sure why.
Just seemed to make the same mistakes over and over again and it drove me nuts. We all kind of expected him to improve from that first full year but he never did.
I personally wanted to smack him upside the head every time he would slide into First Base.
Beach Boys all went to Hawthorne High school – a stones throw from my house. I’ve run into people at parties and the beach who knew them. Mike Scott and his nasty split finger went to the same school.
I personally dont like the Phillies ballpark or all the red.
Betsy October 11th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Logan deserves more credit than he’s gotten, IMO. It’s not like he got hot after he came back up and then went into a tailspin. The kid has been the goods for months – and now he’s doing it in the playoffs. I sincerely hope he can be productive next year as well.
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Absolutely!
And I distinctly recall finding myself wincing when I saw his record during the off-season when they first obtained him. That’s why I called him the most pleasant surprise of this year, and it couldn’t have come at a more opportune time for the Yankees, with Marte’s issues.
Good job by Cashman, Girardi, and Eiland.
WCYF, they way I see it Halladay can’t be more dominating than Lee was last year, so that’s a wash. Oswalt is an excellent NL pitcher but I don’t think he’d win 6 games in the AL at this point in his career. Hammels is the wild card. I think Hammels is a very good pitcher against a free swinging team but the Yankees are too patient for him to be effective.
I would give the Giants a fighting chance in the NLCS but they will have to really pitch well and play much better than they did against the Braves.
Could be Jim. I don’t see it that way, I think the Phills can hit with anyone and I think more highly of their pitching staff – but you may be right.
I really figured on Cabrera being around a .280-.290 hitter 15-18 homers with a boat load of doubles and around 20 steals. He’s going to end up being a Corey Patterson/McLouth type player
Tough meet the press for Bobby Cox. 51 years in baseball, wow. Hall of Famer gone from the game.
IF we get to the WS and meet the Phillies, you can bet I’m not conceding anything to them. Hamels is not the same pitcher he was last year, however.
Anyway, let’s get through the ALCS first.
The Giants have 3 hitters that could do some damage in Philly’s park. Try to guess which ones. The Giants were smart, I think they were building a team that could beat Philly.
That was a classy thing the Giants did.
Halladay is better than Lee, so it’s not quite a wash. Lee did not pitch that great in game 5 and I have no doubt Halladay would be brilliant. I respect the Phillies a great deal, but if we get through the ALCS, it means our offense and pitching continued at a high level and that means we’ll be primed to repeat.
I do worry about the rust after 6 days off.
What did the Giants do?
They stopped their celebration to come out and salute Cox….classy.
I think it will be a good series if we play the Phills. Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, Hamels is much better, what did he do, 5-hit shut out against the Reds, who can hit? Oswalt is a good pitcher too. Their lineup is stacked, so is ours, they match up well. Romero, Durbin, Contreras, Madson and Lidge are good too.
Definitely cried when Bobby was interviewed. What a wonderful man and a wonderful career. I really wanted the Braves to win for Bobby.
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“The Giants have 3 hitters that could do some damage in Philly’s park.”
Posey, Burrell and Uribe.
Don’t underestimate Roy Oswalt. He has been sick with the Phillies.
7-1 with a 1.74 ERA in 12 starts. 83 IP and 52 Hits.
“I hope the Giants DESTROY the Phillies.”
Yep.
Blake, thanks! That’s a very classy thing to do – good for them.
I don’t know much about Posey and I didn’t think about Uribe (good one).
Was really thinking if Burrell, Huff, and Rowand.
Ok, so question………….will the Yankees try to lock Phil up (either this year or next) or will they just let him go FA and do it then? I think they’re probably going to be too busy to deal with it this year (Jeter, Mo, Andy), but I don’t see any reason why they should not do it even next year. If they want to see how he holds up next year, that’s fine, but I would like to see them eventually sign him – like the Sox did with Lester and Buchholz and like other teams are doing.
I know many people on here (myself included in many instances) don’t like to root for people in baseball with troubled incidents in their personal life so in regard to Bobby Cox, just wanted to link this (especially since this particular incident is very much frowned upon by lohudders)
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05.....games.html
This Jets-Minny game is about as entertaining as a prostrate exam.
I would guess that they will try and extend Hughes early. It saved them a good bit of cash on Cano.
Giant offense isn’t that bad. imo. Not like it used to be. They have a legit shot at knocking off the Phillies. I pick em in 6.
Blake, it did. I know pitchers are a different breed, but the Yankees love Phil and he represents the team very well. If they don’t try and lock him up eventually, they’ll never do so with any other young pitcher.
A classy HOF manager who is beloved by so many in baseball just managed his last game, 51 years in baseball.
Any guesses on what Phil gets in arbitration as an 18-game winner? Joba?
The Phillies are a better all around team than the Giants, and are a better team than last year, but I’d still rather the Yankees face them than than the Giants. The Yankees seem to struggle against unfamiliar pitchers. The Phillies are good,very good, but familiar.
It will all boil down to the Yankee starters. If Pettitte and Phil pitch like they did in the ALDS, I like their chances.
I will be rooting for the Giants. I will be surprised if they beat the Phillies, though.
Phil Hughes has just over 2 years of Major League service so his first year of arbitration eligibility is 2011. Right now he’s a bargain at $447,000.
M, I’d be very surprised if Phil and the Yanks went to arbitration. Actually, that would be depressing as the process is depressing, the team trying to tear down a player’s stats and the player having to defend himself. I’m sure they’ll work something out. Joba? Boy, if he went to arb, I don’t know………he’s basically a middle reliever; he won’t get a ton, but clearly he’ll get a raise.
The Yankees have to win the ALCS first but if they did make it to the WS then the Giants would be a better matchup because they aren’t as good as the Phillies are. The Phillies have a better rotation, better offense, and more experience.
I’m almost positive Phil is arbitration eligible this year.
Just wanted to say hello. I have nothing of any interest to report, but I wanted to let you know I am here.
SAS, lol. Hi. Sorry about your Reds.
Halladay is really good and so is Oswalt. But right now the Phillies offense so far in the playoffs has been average. Even the game where they scored a bunch of runs against the Reds in Game 2 were due to errors by the Reds.
The Giants could take them out with their pitching.
Hello SAS. Any interesting in rooting for the Giants now that the Reds went out?
Phil Hughes is arb eligible at the end of this season.
So is Joba.
Favre to Moss #1.
Cots has Joba & Phil as Arb1 for 2011, so would that happen this winter or next?
I think Hughes probably has a better arbitration case than Joba…just a guess.
It refers to this winter m.
Notice the 2010 arb eligible players and what they signed for.
This winter…….they are both definitely eligible. I don’t know what Phil would get if he went; they’d have to compare his performance to others that have similar service time? That’s what I just read on MLB traderumors (this was from August).
blake,
Just a hair better.
CR9, Thanks
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Cashmoney,
I have never rooted for the Phillies yet so the Giants it is.
m
If Wang can be used as a comp for Phil, I think he got $4-5M coming off his 19 win season.
Reading my last post again it sounds a bit rude for some reason. If that’s the case, sorry m!
LGY,
That’s what I thought. Someone can move out of their parent’s house soon.
Stuckey, not sure where you live but it’s been another nasty storm here. When Favre gets comfortable going deep to Moss w/o safety help and more normal weather conditions, you’ll see a more exciting game. Vice versa Sanchez to Holmes.
Question: Who did any of you cheer for – or in the absence of cheering – want to win the PHillies/Rays 2008 Series?
Hughes will probably get about $3 million.
Reading that post again, it was rude. I take back my last post. j/k
I don’t remember 2008…I skipped that October.
I’m about 20 miles from where the game is being played, TR.
Favre looked AWFUL until the teardrop to Moss and Sanchez doesn’t look any better…
Guess things are heating up, but not in the manner I’d like.
Starting to get a little more interesting at the Meadowlands.
CR, I rooted for the Rays as at the time I was surrounded by the Phils fans . Also, they beat the RS and represented the American League.
blake October 11th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
I don’t remember 2008…I skipped that October.
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I was working 65+ hours a week that October. 13 hour days all week long, plus Saturdays and bringing it home with me on Sundays. I honestly don’t know what I would have done if I had to fit playoff games into that chaos
They played a Word Series in 2008?
pat,
I think what Wang is a high ceiling for Phil (he got 4 million). Wang’s track record is better with two 19 win seasons of sub 4 ERA and a solid rookie campaign as well. Hughes’ track record to emphasize is much less impressive IMO.
Doc is a great pitcher, but I would take the trio of Lincecum, Matt Cain, and Jonathan Sanchez in a heartbeat over Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels … any day. Either a short series or over a full season.
I know the Braves’ lineup was not at full strength, but 1 earned run and 33 Ks in 23 playoff innings is impressive by any measure.
That said, the Phils present a much tougher lineup than the Giants do.
We are about to find out how true that old adage is about ‘good pitching always stops good hitting.’
Cash, I wanted the Rays to be rewarded for surprisingly showing effort in the ALCS. But when I finally weighed the pros/cons, I didnt want to have to deal with the Rays broadcasting team the following year with them as Champions. So I chose Phillies, and it turned out to be a nice sending off for Harry Kalas.
And so I don’t wake up to comments that I don’t like Phil
I’m not saying Hughes is worse than Wang. Just speaking in terms of his arbitration case and what is emphasized.
Night.
This is why people like to watch Favre….he can suck the whole game and then make two unbelievable throws and have the Vikings right back in the game.
CR9 October 11th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Question: Who did any of you cheer for – or in the absence of cheering – want to win the PHillies/Rays 2008 Series?
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The only team I was rooting for that October was the New York Giants.
As the storm quiets
stuckey is a Jersey guy? Wouldn’t have guessed that.
I really don’t even think Phil will make it to arb. He loves being a Yankee and the Yankees love him.
Phil’s lost 2007 and 2008 cost him in many ways – financially (because he’d be further ahead than he is now) and developmentally. Fortunately, he’s still very young; even if the Yankees lock him up now or next year, he’d hit FA again at 31 – not old.
TR10 October 11th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
As the storm quiets
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Not here
Storm = Scary
I love this upcoming NLCS matchup – Panda has to come up huge for SF. They need his bat presence against some tough Philly pitching.
Erica, I’m in Battery Park in NYC.
LGY…When is Phil arb eligible ????
TR10 October 11th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Erica, I’m in Battery Park in NYC.
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I’m a few miles from JFK Airport
“stuckey is a Jersey guy? Wouldn’t have guessed that.”
Really? I naturally assume any big fan is local.
I’m a Yankee/Giant/Knicks (in that order) fan because my dad was, who was born and raised in NYC. Nothing more or less.
I grew up when you could only see two teams play on TV, the Yanks/Mets and Jets/Giants and one other game a week (Saturday afternoon baseball on NBC, and Monday Night Football on ABC).
I frankly don’t understand being a fan of team in another part of the country, unless you’re a transported one.
CLS series
I’ll start taking predictions for the NCLS series. I’ll take them up to one hour before the start of the NCLS. I’ll start taking ALCS predictions once we know the Yanks opponent.
If you want to be on the prediction chart, be sure to put my name in the post.
I have already made my prediction. GIANTS IN 6
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Here’s the LCS chart.
http://members.cox.net/lsdorgan/LC%20SERIES.pdf
Pat M, this year
It’ll be winding down for you shortly.
Boy, Sanchez looks terrible tonight.
According to cot’s, Phil’s first arb year is 2011.
But it’s not…………..he’s arb eligible this year.
Looking through the Yankee salaries on Cot’s, its interesting that Arod is the Yankee with the most major league service…slightly more than Pettite and more than Posada, Jeter, and Rivera.
Looks like Phil & Joba’s 2011 salaries will be decided in arbitration unless they can come to terms beforehand.
Yes he does stuck
According to baseball reference he is eligible in 2011
http://www.baseball-reference......ph01.shtml
“I’m a few miles from JFK Airport”
Me too. About 500 give or take. Or about a ten hour cab ride.
Goodnight all.
Tar October 11th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
“I’m a few miles from JFK Airport”
Me too. About 500 give or take. Or about a ten hour cab ride.
Goodnight all.
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Hahahaha… I have been on the phone with people while I am home, and they ask me if I am standing on the airport runway
Other than the Phillies, the NL is a bunch of sad sacks.
The Phillies should blow by the weak SF Giants 4 in a row.
When you look at the NL as a whole, there are not too many teams that would survive in the AL, no less be division winners.
I think it would be fun to see the Blue Jays in the NL east. Then they would stand a chance to be in the playoffs every year.
M, Phil won’t be a problem, but I can see Joba going to arb.
Betsy,
I guess that just means his salary can be determined by arbitration in 2011.
Betsy,
Maybe. They were hardasses with Wang, too. I wonder if Joba gets Bruney-like money?
trisha -
Do you really think the Giants can win 1 game, no less 4, or are you just rooting against the Phillies?
My Favorite song in the Pet Sounds album
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Blake, I think that must be it. I’ve been googling for many minutes and every place I check, it’s that they are eligible this year.
Either way, I would lock Phil up – if not this year, next. The Yankees should get with the program – unless they have reservations about him, which I know they don’t.
M, Wang had a history of shoulder problems and I don’t think they ever looked at him as an ace. Phil? They love him. Why wouldn’t they want to work it out?
Arbitration is a nasty process.
OK – Good night folks.
Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 12:02 am
My Favorite song in the Pet Sounds album
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
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Oh!!!! Thats my favorite too!
Betsy, it’s possible that they will. But the Yanks did not go that route with Jeter and Williams who are position players with less risk involved than a pitcher. So , I think it would be understandable if they went year to year with Hughes. JIMO.
I love the Beach Boys………….I think my favorite song might be God Only Knows; Carl Wilson had an exquisite voice
Not locking up a guy is one thing, but to make it tougher in arb. than it needed to be for their 2-time 19 game winner was not cool.
I know someone will show up and lecture me that it’s just business, but I think he deserved better than that.
Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 12:08 am
I love the Beach Boys………….I think my favorite song might be God Only Knows; Carl Wilson had an exquisite voice
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Have you ever seen “Love Actually”? When they play that song at the end of the movie I cry everytime?
(And I am really not a cryer)
Cash, that’s true………but they did do that with Cano. If the Yankees don’t do that with Phil, they’d sort of show that they’re out of touch with how things are done in baseball today. It’s not just small market teams locking their kid pitchers up – the Sox have done it.
Methinks we have a new daily subject through January at least.
Phil deserves a raise.
Joba should give money back.
I don’t want turn this into MTV, but Erica, do you like Simon and Garfunkels?
If so , do you like this one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIoGOgqs_20
Shaincoe gets this TD
M, I’m not going to get into Wang; I was just offering a reason why I think the Yankees will work it out with Phil.
Erica, I’m not a movie person and I HATE romantic movies – or novels, for that matter, lol
RSM,
So mean!
Erica, I may be misremembering, but this seems like they 3rd or 4th time you’ve said you cried at something (but aren’t a crier)
Perhaps you really are..?
I love S&G, but that’s not one of my favorite songs.
Good call TR you moron.
Helluva catch by Harvin.
Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 12:11 am
I don’t want turn this into MTV, but Erica, do you like Simon and Garfunkels?
If so , do you like this one…
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Hmmm… Simon & Garfunkel on MTV… if only….
I LOVE Simon & Garfunkel. (Good luck finding anyone else under 30 who has seen them in concert 3 times). My favorite S&G song varies, but I think right now its “The Boxer”
stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 12:12 am
Erica, I may be misremembering, but this seems like they 3rd or 4th time you’ve said you cried at something (but aren’t a crier)
Perhaps you really are..?
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I am not a cryer.
I swear by this
I LOVE Simon & Garfunkel. (Good luck finding anyone else under 30 who has seen them in concert 3 times).
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lol, the closest I came to be in a S&G concert was jogging by in in Central Park one summer, I think they had in the great meadow or something … But my friend use to play a good guitar instrumental version of that. It’s melodic albeit little sad.
The Yankees will not sign Hughes to a guaranteed contract extension through his arb years.
It makes no sense to do so with a pitcher until you have to in free agency due to injury reasons. He suffers a long term injury and you lose the roster flexibility because the pitcher is locked up and guaranteed money.
It’s bad business and outside of Cano, the Yankees don’t sign players through their arb years.
I don’t expect them to change for Hughes.
I don’t think they’ll go to arb either. I think Hughes will submit his number and the Yankees will negotiate something fair from there.
But I sincerely doubt Cashman offering him a deal of any length. They’ll pay him very well year to year until they have to lock him up long term in risk of losing him.
Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 12:11 am
M, I’m not going to get into Wang; I was just offering a reason why I think the Yankees will work it out with Phil.
Erica, I’m not a movie person and I HATE romantic movies – or novels, for that matter, lol
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Oh… yeah, I don’t like chick flicks either
Holy Clock Management!
Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 12:18 am
I LOVE Simon & Garfunkel. (Good luck finding anyone else under 30 who has seen them in concert 3 times).
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lol, the closest I came to be in a S&G concert was jogging by in in Central Park one summer, I think they had in the great meadow or something … But my friend use to play a good guitar instrumental version of that. It’s melodic albeit little sad.
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My dad went to that show!
Jets royally screwed up there.
Are the Jet’s serious? They LITERALLY have the Vikings 90+ seconds just there. If they ran a sweep on the first down play, they could have run the clock down to the 2 minute warning and run two plays and then punted and Favre would have had 20-something seconds and no timeouts…
Paul Simon is a legend on his own, but, Art Garfunkel, for all of his talents never seemed to click in anything other than “Carnal Knowledge” and this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh7S2aIHF7c
This came is going to end on an interception or winning field goal. My money is on the latter right now.
Hughes, Joba, Logan, and Mitre are all arbitration eligible
http://spreadsheets.google.com.....utput=html
GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2010 at 12:22 am
Paul Simon is a legend on his own, but, Art Garfunkel, for all of his talents never seemed to click in anything other than “Carnal Knowledge” and this song.
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I really like Art’s “I Believe When I Fall In Love (it’ll be forever)” and “All I know”
And that’s how Brett Favre rolls…
Logan is an Arb 2. He had a great year.
GLove, then why are all other teams locking up their young pitchers? We’ll see about Phil.
My favorite song is a Garfunkle song- Bridge over Troubled Waters.
My parents took me to that Simon and Garfunkle show in ’81.
I was a year old but I was there.
Erica, romance – ick, lol.
The last movies I saw were Night at the Smithsonian 2 and Star Trek – the reboot. It takes a LOT to get me to see a move, even though I like the experience.
I think they will go y2y with Phil, and avoid arb. Like G. Love said.
If you’re Logan, can you bring Marte in as a character witness?
Hal is not George – he has a budget; why wouldn’t he want to save money?
Its way past bedtime
Good night Yankee people!
I guess all we can do is wait and see; I don’t quite know why the Yankees feel the need to let guys they clearly want to keep make it to FA………
Erica in NY…..” The Boxer” at The Garden last October …R&R Hall of Fame Benefit Concert was outstanding….
Erica, he had the talent, but, he was never put out front like Simon was and then when they went out on their own, nobody ever took him seriously, but, he wrote some great songs.
Whenever I hear them, for some reason my mind wanders back to Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In with the Farkel Family and the twins, Simon and Gar Farkel and their sister, Sparkle Farkel .
Pat M. October 12th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Erica in NY…..” The Boxer” at The Garden last October …R&R Hall of Fame Benefit Concert was outstanding….
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Absolutely!!!!
Btw- I just bought that DVD set. Haven’t had time to watch it, but I have it. I believe the CDs are coming out in November. So obviously, I must buy that too
“then why are all other teams locking up their young pitchers? We’ll see about Phil.”
Risk-reward.
Yankees can afford to pay if pitchers stay healthy throughout their arb-eligible years, nor do they worry about players leaving for greener pastures when they reached free agency.
Other teams need to garner loyalty to try to keep players long-term and the discount they get for bypassing the process makes sense for them.
Betsy, your wheels are turning after Hughes’ big game the other night.
He’ll be a Yankee a long-time and make 9 figures before it’s all said and done for him. Exactly how it it goes down the next 3 years is the last thing anyone needs to concern themselves with.
My biggest thrill music wise was meeting the Rolling Stones backstage a couple years ago @ MSG. Talking to living legends were pretty cool.
GB7-
I could only speculate. I wasn’t around then to understand public perception
I predict a comeback from Betsy re: wheels turning comment.
Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 12:33 am
My biggest thrill music wise was meeting the Rolling Stones backstage a couple years ago @ MSG. Talking to living legends were pretty cool.
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I met Stevie Nicks last year
I donated blood a few days later as a thank you to the universe for allowing me to meet her.
I will never forget how soft that woman’s hands were
(Fleetwood Mac is my absolute favorite)
This was just appalling!
First, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! Edwards!! LaTo!!!! Sanchez!!!!
Second, appalling management of the clock. Run the play clock down to 2 seconds prior to the 2 minute warning and then snap it. Unbelievably horrible play clock management. Did Rex Ryan take lessons on how to manage the clock from Herm Edwards?
Third, very selfish of Lowery to take the ball into the endzone for his first career td. You just go down and kneel the ball. Are these players taught discipline and game situations?
I guarantee, I 100% GUARANTEE no Patriot in Lowery’s situation takes that ball into the endzone. Not one. They get down and let Brady kneel the ball. They dont play around, they dont care about individual accomplishments.
The song “Bright Eyes” is from an animated movie called “Watership Down”. Definately a worthwhile investment to buy. Great movie for kids and their parents.
M, you predict right!
Stuckey, first of all that’s a good point about other teams (not the Sox, though). However, you’re absolutely wrong about this entering my mind because of Phil’s start. I brought this up during the season.
Okay… really going to bed now.
Good night Yankee people!
(again)
I saw Watership Down ages ago……….I remember it being rather dark and scary.
When I was living in Colorado in the late 1970′s I won a contest with another five couples to fly to NYC and see Springsteen’s birthday show at the Academy of Music on 14th Street. Dinner with him at an Italian restaurant and limo to the show, second room, backstage after. His mom showed up with shopping bag of treats for him. I was in heaven.
…second row sp
You are right about the generation bit because Simon & Garfunkel are the greatest in my opinion, along with others. I could listen to them all day.
“I guarantee, I 100% GUARANTEE no Patriot in Lowery’s situation takes that ball into the endzone. Not one. They get down and let Brady kneel the ball. They dont play around, they dont care about individual accomplishments.”
Ah, incorrect use of the word “guarantee”, a personal internet favorite of mine. “Guarantee” does not mean you’re really, really certain.
Accuracy my zealous friend, accuracy.
And I thought everyone who played for Boston we’re dirtpile, criminal cheaters?
That sounds like a healthy dose of admiration on your part..
I like Riahanon ? and go you own way by the Macs. Beyond that my knowledge of Fleetwood Mac is some kinda love triangle thingie happen with Nicks and the band members… But I am not quite sure about that.
But yet, that must be a thrill.
I actually got to party with Stones at a friend’s house later, by that I mean , we were in the general vicinity of each other. But anywho, I had a hard time understanding what they were saying in general
“Watership Down” isn’t any more dark and scary than “Bambi”, “Dumbo” or “101 Dalmatians”. They all dealt with separation, death and cruelty.
Betsy fair enough, and word taken, consider that part retracted.
But I don’t think a free agent has EVER left the Yankees by their own choice. None that i can think of anyway.
I don’t think it’s much of an issue either way. Hughes will eventually get his money and unless he’s got an overwhelming hankering to go home to SoCal someday, he’ll be a Yankee for as long as the Yankees want him to be.
GB, I was a kid when I saw it. I was scared – that’s what I remember.
Stuckey, no problem – I agree. I still would like to see them lock him up, but it’s not like I’m going to be worrying about it.
I just remember rats……….I hope I’m thinking of the right movie, lol.
stuckey – You never cease!! Take your passive-aggressiveness back to Sons of Sam Horn where you belong. Why dont you grow an “internet pair” and just say that you despise me? I enjoy it…..which is precisely why you wont say it
No admiration. They’re all criminals. The only reason his players do what’s best for the team is they know that if they dont, they’ll be unceremoniously booted out the door. i.e. Seymour, Moss, Thomas, etc. New York teams have too much class for that.
I love Brett Favre! Absolutely love Favre! Beat the Pats in a Super Bowl; Lost to us in an NFC Championship game en route to a NYG Super Bowl. Helped keep the Pats out of the playoffs in 2008. Win or loss tonight, Brett Favre is a hero!
stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 12:43 am
Betsy fair enough, and word taken, consider that part retracted.
But I don’t think a free agent has EVER left the Yankees by their own choice. None that i can think of anyway.
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For some reason, John Wetteland immediately comes to mind.
But they sorta had a capable replacement, so no harm done.
Some fella named Rivera, or something or another.
Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 12:47 am
GB, I was a kid when I saw it. I was scared – that’s what I remember.
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I can see your point. I always got scared watching Bugs Bunny going up against the Gashouse Gorillas.
btw – Guarantee – to express or declare with conviction. Try again, Bill D…I mean stuckey!
Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 12:48 am
I just remember rats……….I hope I’m thinking of the right movie, lol.
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They were rabbits.
GB, I’m not familiar with Gashouse Gorillas, lol, but I hope Bugs got what was coming to him, lol. I much preferred Daffy and the Tasmanian Devil……….Then again, I hated Tweety and loved Sylvester. I hated Jerry and loved Tom. I loved Wile E. Coyote and hated the Road Runner. Sense a pattern?
Another wonderful cartoon from when I was a kid is The Last Unicorn…really a beautiful movie.
No, I know they were rabbits. For some reason, I thought there was a scene with rats. Maybe there were mean rabbits in the movie – I don’t really remember what it was about.
“Take your passive-aggressiveness back to Sons of Sam Horn where you belong.”
Huh?
“Why dont you grow an “internet pair” and just say that you despise me? I enjoy it…..which is precisely why you wont say it
”
If you prefer “despise” over find you ridiculous, I have no objection.
If the idea floats your boat either which way, glad to be of service, hero.
“The only reason his players do what’s best for the team is they know that if they dont, they’ll be unceremoniously booted out the door.”
“They dont play around, they dont care about individual accomplishments.”
If you meant they’re afraid of their coach, you should have just said that.
“Don’t care about individual accomplishments” sounds like the expression of an admirable professional trait to me.
Double your pleasure, double your speak.
YAWN!!!
stuckey – How ironic of you to be lecturing me on brevity! I must be a hero to slog through your pseudo-intellectual diarrhea!
The Gashouse Gorillas was the baseball team that Bugs played against. He played all nine positions….at the same time. The Gorillas were huge and scary.
Betsy, the General of the rabbits was the one that did the killings. Remember the Black Rabbit? The sign of pending death. When you saw the Black Rabbit, you was going to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENgHsxHF50Y
GB, I remember seeing that episode , I just did not know they were ‘The Gashouse Gorillas”
My favorite were Foghorn Leghorn and Daffy.
Betsy, how can you love the losers….underdogs like Wile E while hating the Mets and loving the Yankees? We need to get you to a doctor, FAST.
Just saw a replay of the 3-1 count from Lowe to Burrell in the 7th inning. All Ive gotta say…
You aint on the Red Sox anymore, Lowe. Lowe gets that call with the Red Sox. No doubt.
“How ironic of you to be lecturing me on brevity!”
Get ready for syntax and grammar.
Care to explain how “I 100% express or declare with conviction.”
You modified “guarantee” with “100%” and thereby dictated your intended definition, which was incorrect.
I enjoy that you went to Google to search for meaning you could respond with, however.
stuckey – More diarrhea! You need some Pepto-Bismol!! Have a good night, stuckster!
Now I got from rooting against Minnesota to rooting for them.
Do your job Favre and make the Cowboys 1-4 next week.
And I’ll be glad to go on record here.
My regard for the Cowboys far, FAR exceeds (in the negative end of the spectrum) my regard for the Red Sox.
m, did you become an LA Laker fan because they used to train and play some exhibition games there at one time ????/
Pat M,
Yes. Training camps are held here biennially. Basically it’s a Lakers town.
Go Laker….back to back to back……3 peat …copyright Pat Rielly
NYC hasn’t had a basketball team in over 10 years, maybe 40 years if championships are the primary criterion. I forgot what’s like.
Lot of Braves love earlier on this thread. Crazy!
Lincecum v. Halladay should be a fun game. They met earlier this season, maybe more than once, but in the NLCS… tension city!
I
guaranteesuspect that Aaron Rowand is not one of the guys the Phillies will be too worried about — he probably won’t see much action beyond pinch-hitting. Then again, the Giants will likely be either tied or up/down a run when that occurs, so those appearances could be in big spots.Should be fun!
Nick in SF……The Giants will at some point will be in a position to upset he Phillies…….This is a team that can give the Phils problems….I’m all over the Giants……Yanks / Giants in 2 weeks
Yanks/Giants… big fun but bittersweet. Not sure how I would feel.
Goodnight.
Did you know? Joe Mauer has never won a postseason game.
Fun trivia question from espn mobile’s site.
Morning.
I don’t suppose anybody but me is foolish enough to be up this early.
Nope. Just as I thought. You’re all way too smart for that.
Just us insomniacs is all.
stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 12:43 am
Betsy fair enough, and word taken, consider that part retracted.
But I don’t think a free agent has EVER left the Yankees by their own choice. None that i can think of anyway.
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Damon, Matsui – Remember them?
MTU -
You know I’m here.
Can’t see the Giants winning 1 game against the Phillies. Never saw such weak teams, other than the Phillies, representing the NL.
MTU -
Did you watch any of the games between the Giants and Braves?
Watching Melky was rather sad, he is simply not a good ball player, I guess he peaked at where he is, and that’s as good as he gets. Man, did he get fat!
I think the Giants have a shot but they’ll need to play very good baseball and their starting pitching will have to be outstanding. Stranger things have happened.
Al-
I watched the final game last night. I promised Blake I’d pull for his Braves.
Yeah. Too bad about Melky I really liked him. Looks like the Yanks made the right choice on which young OF’er to move.
Th Giants have some great pitching. It wouldn’t surprise me if that slowed down the Phils enough to lead to a win. Of course, their offense sucks IMO.
MTU -
As always, I could be wrong, but, I can’t see the Giants beating anyone, but themselves.
I sent you that web site.
blake -
The Giants came out of a very weak NL West. I’m simply not impressed by that team. They struggled against a weak Braves team (sorry), and if it were not for error’s and poor plays by the Braves, they could be the team at home right now, IMO.
Al-
Yup. Got it. Thanks. Only impresssed with their pitching, and Posey.
Not much else.
MTU -
There has been much said about the deal for Javy, but, getting Boone Logan in that deal made it worth while, IMO.
MTU -
I know it’s a bit early to be thinking of off season moves, but, I think the Yanks get Lee, offer Wood a 2-3 year deal, if he let’s go off the option, and look at their catching options as priorities.
Al-
We’re lucky we have Logan right now especially with having lost Coke, and Marte being injured.
Just look at how many good left-handed hitters some of these teams have.
You gotta have an effective way to neutralize some of it especially with the short porch.
Actually I wish we had a 2nd lefty reliever, or a righty who is unusually good against them.
Al-
Lee is pivotal.
Not sure if they keep Cervelli or get a more experienced BU catcher.
A trio of Posada, Cervelli, and Montero might work.
Wood has been effective but I think he wants to close. Maybe if the Yanks are willing to pay him enough ?
AL,
I don’t disagree but the Giants do have good starting pitching and anything can happen in the playoffs. The Phillies are the better team for sure but the Giants could get hot and make it interesting….though they will need to play much better to do so.
MTU -
I agree about Posey. His CS is 38%, compared to Posada at 15%. Posada’s best year was 37%, I think it was either 2005 or 2006. Posey looks like he has a great career in front of him. If Montero could play defense like that, he’d be the starting catcher next year.
Blake-
The Giants are a Pitching-centric team.
Their fortunes rise and fall with that.
Al-
Montero is not likely to be anywhere near that good definsively.
Hopefully, he’ll be adequate considering the thunder in his stick.
blake -
You could be right, but, I think the Phillies will score some runs even on the giants best pitching, and the weak Giants offense may not be able to keep pace against the strong Phillies pitching. But, that’s why they play the games.
MTU -
I realize that about Montero, but, If he can get his CS up to 25%, the Yanks will be happy, IMO.
I would love to bring Wood back but I don’t see the Yankees giving him closer money to set up and he will probably be offered it from someone else. If he’s open to setting up and taking less money for a chance to win then great…
If not though then one would hope that this season would be enough to motivate Joba to take the bull by the horns and turn his career around….if he isn’t traded this winter then I think next season is make or break time for Joba.
Blake-
“If not though then one would hope that this season would be enough to motivate Joba to take the bull by the horns and turn his career around….if he isn’t traded this winter then I think next season is make or break time for Joba.”
Without a doubt. It’s the last train to Clarkville for Joba. Hope he grabs the brass ring.
GB, thanks for posting that – beautiful song!
Keep in mind that when I became a Yankee fan, the Yankees weren’t great. Ok, they were a very good offensive team in the early to mid-80′s, but zero pitching, so they never made the playoffs!
Al-
He did things like that in the Minors. Who knows if that will translate at the ML level.
He is gonna have some fantastic teachers around him. That’s for sure.
Blake, Wood said yesterday that he’d like to close (but that was in the context of an article where he talked about being here was a blessing) for the last few years of his career. The Yankees can’t offer him that on a regular basis (I’m sure he’d close for Mo occasionally), but if he gets offers to close from mediocre teams, is he going to really want that? He’d be pitching in obscurity again, where the games don’t matter. I can’t see a contender offering him closer $$ – most good teams already have closers anyway.
AL,
I agree that the Phillies have a much better chance at hitting the Giants pitching than the other way around.
MTU,
Posey is really good. Montero just needs to learn as much as he can from Posada and get his skills up close to league average. He may only have to catch a few years with some of the other catchers they have coming up through the ranks.
MTU -
WOW, I just looked up Cervelli’s numbers, and what a surprise. Last year his CS was 43%, this season it’s down to 14%. He only had 2 PB. If think if Montero works on his PB, he is ready to move up.
Montero had 15 PB this year at SWB, and his CS was 23%.
betsy,
That’s probably going to be the choice that Kerry has and I wouldn’t fault him either way in his decision.
Blake-
We’ll get a chance to see what Montero can do.
He’ll be much more worthwhile to the Yankees as a Catcher.
Not sure what happens if it turns out he has to be a DH type.
Romine and Sanchez are on the way. Maybe Romine gets converted.
GB has said that he has decnt footspeed and athleticism.
Sanchez is still to far away to gauge properly.
MTU -
A big plus will be if Tony Pena stays with the Yankees, and does not take the Marlins manager’s job. Pena would be a huge help in developing Montero.
AL-
From what many who have seen Montero say he has a slow lower half. That is probably why he has that many PB’s. It could also be that he needs to improve his technique. It could also be a combination.
He is a hard worker and it not wooden behind the plate. His release times are respectable and he has a strong and accurate arm.
Time will tell. He has some of the best instructors in Pena and Posada.
The desire to catch is there.
I think you do have to factor in who Cervelli has caught this year. Many of his games have been with AJ on the hill who is both difficult to catch and holds nobody on base. He has regressed defensively this year but I think some of that was due to overexposure, inexperience, and the pitchers he was assigned to.
I would not want Wood as my closer. To me, he’s too inconsistent, and tends to walk too many batters. Sort of reminds me of John Wetteland.
Later folks – Duty calls.
I don’t want Cervelli as the BUC next year; I hope the Yankees can find someone else. They won’t get Johnny Bench, obviously, but Cervelli really disappointed this year behind the plate.
Blake-
It’s just a hunch but I think Cervelli will be fine if he doesn’t play so many games.
He was exposed by having to play as many as he did this year.
The problem is what do you do if Posada goes down for an extended period again next year ?
Cervelli and Montero ? I don’t know about that.
All that has to be considered by the Yankee brass.
That’s why they might decide to lose Cervelli in favor of someone else.
On the other hand, BU catchers are usually fairly easy to obtain.
Blake, no I couldn’t blame Wood for whatever decision he makes, but I admit I would be puzzled if he chose to go to a non-contender
I agree w/ Blake. I think almost exclusively catching AJ and Javy, especially AJ, has hurt Cervelli.
Blake
sorry about your Braves
Blake-
Wood is not a young guy, and he has an injury history.
My guess is that he is following the green wherever it takes him.
Later!
Blake-
Any idea on who gets Cox’s job ?
I would love the see the Giants beat the Phillies, just to shut up the obnoxious Phillies fans in my office, but I don’t see it happening. The Phillies pitching is great as well and their offense is light years ahead of the Giants.
Oswalt didn’t pitch well in his first playoff game but I expect he will bounce back. Hamels and of course Halladay were dominant.
I think the Phillies will win in 5. Hoping to be wrong….After all, you just can’t predict the game of baseball.
The Giants will beat the Phillies.
interesting take on one secret of yankee success from a twins reporter:
http://news.bostonherald.com/s.....rticleFull
“Here’s Example A of the competitive ethic that exists with the Yankees.
Jeter, now 36, started 150 games at shortstop, played in 157 and had 739 plate appearances. In contrast, Twins shortstop J.J. Hardy missed time with a half-dozen nagging injuries and started 95 games.”
“If you want a lineup of you-can-count-on-me players in October, you need it through baseball’s endless summer. And that’s what they continually have in the Bronx.”
we as yankees fans are so used to it that we take it for granted, but going back to the days of mantle it’s been a tradition for yankee leaders to play banged up . posada went almost his whole career before going on the DL for the first time. mariano keeps performing at an elite level at 40 despite nagging injuries.
these guys really do have a toughness that is part of what separates them from the pack almost every year.
Randy-
Good to see you posting.
Hope you are well.
Good morning –
It’s going to be harder than you think to get a quality back up catcher. If they were good, they’re going to start somewhere else. Remember, the John Buck’s of the world have to think about putting up numbers for the following season, as well. Cisco might come back, and split time with Jorge and Jesus.
If Wood is brought back, I think that makes a statement about how they feel about Joba. The pen has been a weapon for them this year, and I don’t see them weakening it.
MTU,
Sorry I had to go work for a minute…rumor is Freddy Gonzalez but I have no idea.
I sounds like Montero has the “want to” regarding catching and if so then that’s half the battle.
I don’t think you are going to see a lot of big changes with the team in the off-season.
The turnaround by Granderson makes it an easy decision to keep him around.
I don’t see them signing Crawford.
When you have as expensive and productive an infield as they have, you have to look to save money somewhere.
That’s in the OF, which isn’t a bad thing since it’s a productive group right now.
I think they will sign Lee regardless of what Andy does.
I don’t think they can trade AJ. I think the hope will be he can bounce back, make the needed adjustments, and have a better year next year.
Wood? Would surprise me if he’s back.
Joba? See AJ. Same situation. Why trade him at his lowest value point? The hope will be he can pitch like Wood has and take hold of the EIG role. Something he didn’t do this year.
Catcher/DH? I think Montero and Posada, with Cervelli sprinkled in behind the plate, will assume those roles.
Aceves being back will also greatly help the bullpen.
Aside from Lee, I don’t see any major outside the organization acquisitions in the off-season.
Great post Randy and very true.
Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 8:58 am
The Giants will beat the Phillies.
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Don’t know what your smoking, but, you should consider sharing.
A Giants victory would be winning 1 game, beating the Phillies will not happen.
SJ44 -
Know of any up and coming catchers?
randy l. October 12th, 2010 at 8:59 am
interesting take on one secret of yankee success from a twins
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Seems as though everyone outside of NY has a greater appreciation of Jeter, than some NYY fans.
2011 will be a statement year for Chamberlain. It should start with getting himself in top condition to show Cashman he’s serious about his career in whatever role he’s used in next year.
AL,
Where, in the organization?
They are stacked.
Montero, Romine, Sanchez and Murphy.
They are four deep on the catching front.
That’s why I could see Posada and Montero DH’ing and catching 100-110 games between them next year with Cervelli catching the rest of the games.
The thought being they would be getting enough production out of Cervelli and Montero for small dollars, while also keeping Jorge fresh and productive.
SJ44 -
Do you think Romaine has the best chance of being the Yankees catcher of the future, or Montero?
SJ44 -
My thought was hoping to have Tony Pena still around to work with Montero, as well as Posada being a mentor. I don’t see Jorge catching more than 50 games next year, and if Montero can’t do the job defensively, who do they turn to. Is Romaine ready to catch at this level, or do they go outside for a 1 year fill in catcher?
I think Romine needs more time. AAA will help him.
IMO, he’s going to be a big league catcher one day. Just not sure yet if ut will be with the Yankees.
Montero? I may be in the minority view on this but, I think the kid is certainly capable of catching at least 40 games next year and DH another 60-80 games.
His bat is ready and it’s going to be hard to keep his bat down much longer.
As far as his defensive skills, he’s never going to be great back there.
However, continued work with Tony Pena, as well as coming to ST in shape in 2011, can certainly make him adequate for the games they need him to catch.
SJ44 -
The main weakness I see with Montero is PB. If he can improve on that part of his game, he should be the same type of catcher Posada was, great offense, doable defense.