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Simulated game, regular workout

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 12, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

workoutThe simulated game is over. The Yankees won.

Dustin Moseley and Sergio Mitre threw, essentially, two innings apiece. Then the regular relievers pitched an inning each. In order: Kerry Wood, Joba Chamberlain, Boone Logan and Dave Robertson. The writers joked that it was time to ask Joe Girardi why he went with Wood in the fifth inning and moved Robertson to the eighth.

As for results, I can’t begin to explain how little they mattered. Francisco Cervelli looped a ball into right field off Moseley, and the two had a fake argument about whether it was a base hit. Best I could tell, each “inning” consisted of four batters, no matter the result of each at-bat. Bullpen catcher Roman Rodriguez caught the first four innings, then Cervelli caught the last four.

Two things that stood out: Wood was outstanding and Chamberlain was throwing gas.

Wood broke Ramiro Pena’s bat, got Golson swinging at a terrific changeup and threw what looked like back-to-back perfect cutters to Austin Kearns. Before those two pitches, Dave Eiland and Wood had a short conversation behind the mound. It seemed to be something about mechanics, and when Wood stepped back onto the rubber he said something to Kearns — I’m pretty sure he was telling him what pitches were coming — then fired those back-to-back pitches down in the zone. Granted, Cervelli is easily excited, but he was legitimately pumped about those pitches. He was giving very real fist pumps in the middle of a  very simulated game.

As for Chamberlain, I didn’t seen anyone in the building with a radar gun, but Chamberlain pitched immediately after Wood, and the ball popped much louder in Cervelli’s mitt. It was a different sound when Chamberlain was on the mound.

Now the rest of the team is on the field for the day’s regular workout. Pretty routine stuff: Normal batting practice groups, Pena getting some grounders all over the infield, outfielders making their throws from their individual spots. The only thing that stands out is that there are a ton of photographers and TV camera crews documenting every second.

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136 Responses to “Simulated game, regular workout”

  1. Robin October 12th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    This is a simulated post.

  2. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Flashbulbs popping at a simulated game? Yankees baseball. :)

  3. Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Joba throwing hard is nice, but does it matter if he doesn’t locate? He’s still the low man on the totem pole IMO : Joba, then Robertson, Wood and Mo. That is especially good news on Wood – I guess he just had some mechanical issues last time out.

  4. LGY October 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    (repost)

    There is more to the AL East than just the opponent. The stadiums are very hitter friendly.

    YS, Camden Yards, Fenway, and the Rogers Centre were all in the top 10 most hitter friendly parks this season. Tropicana was the only pitchers friendly ballpark in the division.

    In the AL Central where Liriano pitches, Kansas City was the only hitters friendly park. The rest of the division was all pitcher friendly.

  5. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    M
    the original point was mine. I said that the Twins needed an ace if they expected to go further in the playoffs in the future. That lead to Liriano being described as a better pitcher than CC. Money was in no way involved in the discussion until later.

  6. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    “Joba throwing hard is nice, but does it matter if he doesn’t locate?”

    Velo does increase a pitcher’s margin for error, at least to a point.

  7. Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Rich, fine, but Joba is still not a guy I trust no matter how hard he throws.

  8. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    I trust him more than AJ, Betsy

    /damning with faint praise

  9. Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Oops, didn’t mean that to sound as abrupt as it came out, Rich.

    This is a well-organized blog thread about the Yankees options for the ALCS:

    I personally like #3, but I can also see #2.

  10. Erica in NY October 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    3 Days, 5 Hours, and 41 Minutes until Game 1 of the ALCS :grin:

    (Note: I am going by the 8pm start time per the TBS website)

  11. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    (repost)

    Stuckey – you can’t have it both ways, you can’t ask me to make a stat-free narrative case for Liriano (which I did) then call me a hypocrite for citing wins and losses – which I see as narrative points more than stats that are reflective of any skill in a player. What else goes into a narrative than that? Perhaps we’re not clear on how to define narrative here.

    Simple version of what I think you want: Liriano is the best pitcher on a team with inferior teammates and thus is more relatively valuable to his team than Sabathia because of his stronger teammates. Liriano also performed better against the Twins’ #1 competitor than C.C. did against the Yankees’. That seems a lot like narrative to me…

    Honestly, this argument is kind of in the beating a dead horse stage at this point now, though… Both are great pitchers, I believe Liriano is more relatively valuable to the Twins and more overall valuable to any team in baseball because of his salary and age. I think for one season only in a vacuum there’s an extremely valid case to be made for either and I think advanced stats suggest that for the innings pitched Liriano’s were better, if less numerous, than Sabathia’s.

    M: Liriano’s opponent’s OPS: .734 (.331 OBP, .404 SLG); Sabathia’s opponent’s OPS: .719 (.324 OBP, .395 SLG) – these are the numbers of the actual players, not averages of the teams faced.

  12. Betsy October 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Rich, Joba isn’t starting, so what does that have to do with anything? I was referring to Joba, not AJ -who I also don’t trust.

  13. Erica in NY October 12th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    The simulated game is over. The Yankees won.
    ***********

    Thank goodness!

  14. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    upstate kate,

    You troublemaker!

    I think Liriano is their ace. They need better pitchers behind him. They’re just not built to beat the Yankees who they face up against for some odd reason.

    Cost is only a factor when discussing a Gardner/Crawford situation.

    Like if we had Liriano, would we have gone after CC? The Yankees would, but the other 29 teams would pass.

    And if we weren’t going after Lee, we probably would get Crawford. The Yankees are kind of funny like that. :)

  15. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    BoJo October 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    RIch–

    I’m not sure the valuation the Yankees put on CC was based on just track record. I think they felt what he could bring to the team would put them over the top and bring the team a WC.
    __

    I don’t disagree. My point was that there are often considerations beyond WYH’s otherwise valid point with regard to opportunity costs.

  16. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Granted, Cervelli is easily excited, but he was legitimately pumped about those pitches. He was giving very real fist pumps in the middle of a very simulated game.

    ************************************

    :lol:

    That’s great.

  17. Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Also, what’s your basis for saying defense is overrated in the stats?
    ——————–
    BW , I am saying both in BWAR and FWAR attribute too much value in run saved and defensive value in a vacuum.

  18. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Are those #s park-adjusted?

    CC pitched awfully well in a hitter friendly (HR friendly) park.

  19. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Cashmoney: There’s a positional adjustment applied to WAR which makes the value of a CF greater than that of an LF/RF by about a win from the get-go because of the position difficulty and value.

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan October 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    The one glaring fallacy in comparing Gardner and Crawford is this.

    - Gardner has played in 300 games.

    - Crawford has played in 1,235 games.

  21. Tom in N.J. October 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    ESPN’s “Cy Young Predictor”

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

  22. Wave Your Hat October 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Rich and Bojo-

    I’m just saying that in the specific case of CC vs Liriano, given their respective actual contractual situations, the difference in price overwhelms any possible intangible considerations.

  23. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Anyway, the Yankees keep Gardner because he brings a Crawford like dimension at a fraction of the cost.

    I have no doubt, though, if they didn’t have to re-up with Jeter, Rivera, and Pettitte (and add Lee), Crawford would be a Yankee.

  24. Wave Your Hat October 12th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “BW , I am saying both in BWAR and FWAR attribute too much value in run saved and defensive value in a vacuum.”

    I always thought a run prevented = a run scored. Other than 1-0 games of course.

  25. stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    “Honestly, this argument is kind of in the beating a dead horse stage at this point now, though..”

    So you reposted it? Isn’t that like beating a buried horse?

    Wins and losses are just stats too, which was the context of my remarks.

    “Simple version of what I think you want: Liriano is the best pitcher on a team with inferior teammates and thus is more relatively valuable to his team than Sabathia because of his stronger teammates.”

    Not sure I see the validity of that argument given the premise of which player a GM from another team would choose. Relative quality of teammates seems irrelevant to that question.

    “I think for one season only in a vacuum there’s an extremely valid case to be made for either and I think advanced stats suggest that for the innings pitched Liriano’s were better, if less numerous, than Sabathia’s.”

    Why is the latter point not significant?

  26. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    m: no they’re not, but Yankee stadium was actually a near home run neutral park in 2010 – it received an unfair reputation from what happened at the start of ’09. On a scale with 100 being completely neutral, the pitching park factor for Yankee stadium was a 103 – for perspective Coors was a 115, Petco was 91 and Target was 100 even in 2010.

    West Coast Yankee Fan (from the old thread): You’re completely right, I was just raising the point that the other poster was vastly underestimating the value of a player in Gardner’s style. Obviously Crawford is a FAR more proven player.

  27. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I don’t think a single person is arguing that CC is a better VALUE. The original debate was who was the better pitcher (and I don’t think we’re just talking 2010). Liriano wins the “Who’s the cheaper ace?” debate. Hands down.

  28. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    WYH

    If Liriano had a longer track record of sustained success and durability, I would agree, but since he doesn’t, I think his situation presents too much uncertainty for a team like the Yankees, who have so many other unsettled issues in the rotation, and the ability to absorb the added financial costs that CC carries with him, as well as the sometimes perverse need to win big every single year.

  29. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Cervelli was probably excited that he didn’t have to catch AJ

  30. Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    BW, I know that positional value are built in WAR evaluation. I am saying the main flaw of WAR is it attributes too much values in run saved and defense in a vacuum.

    Also, I think UZR and Total Zone is not very reliable in gauging a player’s defensive value.
    there are too many variables in a game situations than simply how many zone they cover.
    Age and injury for a period of time is also not counted in it’s calculation.

    Thus all of these combined to make a misleading evaluations of a player’s true value.

  31. stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    No snark intended, but I’m like to point out (as I have for some time), how much we trust a player and how they perform are entirely unrelated.

    The surest thing in baseball, particularly in October, is there are no sure things.

    Not sure I see the point of it all.

  32. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Stuckey: I have no idea what you’re asking me for, you asked me to make a narrative of which player was better in 2010 – I don’t know what that has to do with what player a GM would choose from another team. Also who said the quantity of innings pitched is insignificant? That’s why I said there’s a case to be made for either….

  33. Cashman needs to go October 12th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    reposted from previous thread….

    Cashman needs to go October 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    tampayank October 12th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    “# tmar October 12th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    I’m rooting for the Rays.

    Texas hitting is just too good, and the Yankees have proven they can hit the Ray’s pitching.

    I’m not saying Texas is better then the Rays, but I like the matchup better.

    also another factor that I just thought about is that the Yankees always feel ‘comfortable’ in Tampa. Jeter has a home here along w/ some other players that get to sleep in their own beds for a ‘road game’. Also there will be more Yankee fans in the stands at the Trop than at Rangers ballpark. Also have the Yankee complex for off days/treatment

    **************

    I on the other hand think the rangers are more beatable. The yankees finishes 4 -4 with the rangers – and thats because they lost 3 in a row to them in texas last month. In those 3 games, 2 were absolutely winnable – as a matter of fact if it wasn’t for joba giving up the HR to cruz and mariano blowing a save the yankees would have won 2 of the 3….and this is with them pitching aj burnett, javier vazquez and mosely in those 3 games (ie no cc, hughes and pettite)…..add to it the team was struggling as a whole (and still took 2 out of 3 to extra innings)

    the yankees seem to be able to hit ranger pitching very well (except of course cliff lee – but thanks to tonights game they may only face him once this series) – while the yankees for some strange reason seem to have trouble with shields, neimann, davis (and price of course) even neftali feliz is hittable (as compared to soriano and benoit)..and you absolutely have to take into consideration that they have a rookie closing games – nerves may be a little high for feliz which plays into making bad pitches…

    texas has the better offense – but tampa has alot more speed which we all know kill the yankees since they can’t seem to throw anyone out (they also seem to hit much better facing the yankees)…and the texas hitters can be pitched to (except maybe hamilton and to some extent guerrero) if the pitcher on the mound isn’t named burnett, vazquez, mosely or chamberlain…how many times has .199 hitting carlos pena killed the yankees? bj upton also seems to play to his talents every time he plays the yankees….and their super scrubs absolutely kill the yankees (matt joyce, reid brignac, dan johnson, willy aybar & sean rodriguez)

    i’d feel alot more comfortable facing the rangers than the rays….but what do i know?

  34. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    And if you really want to evaluate which player you would rather have, then I think you need to throw costs aside.

  35. Wave Your Hat October 12th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Rich in NJ-

    If CC and Litriano both became free agents tomorrow, I tend to believe CC would get the bigger contract, partially for reasons you list.

    I was more focused on the hypothetical question, would Cashman trade CC for Liriano straight up? I think he would and he wouldn’t think twice.

  36. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    that Cy Young predictor is interesting…CC is #1…Liriano is…wait…Liriano doesn’t even crack the top 10

  37. LGY October 12th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    “m: no they’re not, but Yankee stadium was actually a near home run neutral park in 2010 – it received an unfair reputation from what happened at the start of ‘09. On a scale with 100 being completely neutral, the pitching park factor for Yankee stadium was a 103 – for perspective Coors was a 115, Petco was 91 and Target was 100 even in 2010.”

    ——————

    The ESPN Park Factors had YS at 1.420 this year for HR. Higher than 2009.

  38. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    CC for Liriano doesn’t happen unless Yankees pay for part of CC’s salary, so I don’t think it happens. ;)

  39. Cashman needs to go October 12th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    one other reason i’d prefer the rangers over the rays..

    ron washington….(and the fact that he doesn’t have 17 pitchers coming out of the bullpen like he did back in september…)

    other than cliff lee – the rest of that staff is 5 innings and done – by game #3 the ranger bullpen will be destroyed…

  40. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Cashmoney: While I agree with you that neither UZR nor TotalZone are perfect stats, when they agree that someone’s defense is rather terrible (in Kemp’s case) or rather great (in Gardner’s case) – and scouting/reputation observations support those arguments they seem very credible. I’d also point out that stats like plus/minus which are based on actual observations of every actual play by actual human beings agree that Kemp is terrible and Gardner is good. And, again, I’m only arguing that Gardner in 2010 is better than Kemp in 2010 – not that Gardner is the better player for the entirety of their careers. But remember Kemp had a horrible offensive year this year: Gardner was 8th in the AL in OBP, Kemp was 8th FROM THE BOTTOM in the NL in OBP.

  41. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    WYH

    Obviously, I don’t know, but I suspect that that Cashman wouldn’t make that trade because of the near certainty of performance that CC offers, and he’s only 3 years older.

    I mean, what would he do with the money saved? Overpay Derek Jeter? j/k

  42. Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Any prediction for tonight’s game in Lee Vs Price , also rooting interests?

  43. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    LGY – fair point, I was using baseball-reference’s numbers

  44. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    *Extra-Extra Innings

    WhooHoo!

  45. sunny615 October 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Did Kearns strike out again?

  46. CountryClub October 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    “The Yanks smacked C.J. Wilson around all three times they faced him this year (14.1 IP, 18 H, 11 R, 9 BB, 15 K) and he’s exactly the kind of pitcher they’re capable of punishing because he will start a rally by himself with walks (led the league with 93 free passes this year). Same deal with Tommy Hunter, who held the Yanks to two runs in five innings in his only start against them this year. He’s cut from the Yankee-friendly “pitch-to-contact and don’t strike guys out” cloth.”

    “On the other side of the coin, Texas hasn’t faced CC Sabathia and Andy Pettitte since April, and they didn’t see Phil Hughes at all this season (save for a one inning relief appearance). When they beat the Yanks four times in their last five meetings, the opposing starters were A.J. Burnett twice, Javy Vazquez twice, and Dustin Moseley.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....xas-36753/

  47. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    No prediction.

    I’m pulling for Texas.

  48. BoJo October 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Did anyone simulate running on Cervelli?

  49. stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    “Stuckey: I have no idea what you’re asking me for, you asked me to make a narrative of which player was better in 2010 – I don’t know what that has to do with what player a GM would choose from another team. ”

    Are you suggesting a GM would only look at metrics? And not consider any other factors.

    I believe there are legitimate intangibles and other relevant qualities to factor in that don’t rise (or descend to cliche’).

    I suspect we have little common ground in that matter…

  50. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    I predict a close game, w/ either Lee winning, or it going to extras.
    I think the Rangers might be an easier match up, but I think the Yankees can beat either, so I don’t care who wins.

  51. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    No prediction.

    I’m pulling for a tie.

  52. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    upstate kate: That ESPN Cy Young predictor is a meaningless little gadget based on the stats voters have valued throughout the history of the award (so win-loss and ERA is critical while FIP and run support is ignored). It may have some actual predictive quality for the award, but it’s meaningless in evaluating who the best pitchers are.

  53. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    And Texas better make sure they don’t damage our “goods”. :)

  54. Shame Spencer October 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    I want to be surprised this conversation is still going on…

  55. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    I knew you would say something like that :)

  56. ConcernedCitizen October 12th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    I think I’d rather face a “Whew we really dodged a bullet there” Rangers team instead of an energized “We just came back from a 0-2 deficit!” Rays team. But as people said with the ALDS, it’s probably not to a good idea to wish for one opponent over the other.

  57. Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    BW, I personally find Saber as a tool to further augment in the evaluation a player’s value in addition of actually eyeballing and other traditional methods. That’s all.

    There are many ways to play a hand in poker depends on the contextual variables exist within a game. Same goes with baseball. I don’t know if you said this, but I think using saber as the only reliable source to evaluate a player is simply , IMO, not seeing a whole picture.

  58. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    I’ll give you 2 more good reasons to pull for Texas:

    1) Maddon sucks like a Hoover in a wind tunnel.

    2) When Cliff is our co-ace next year you’ll already have he satisfaction of knowing he can shut down the Rays in important games.

    I rest my case. :)

  59. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    I really wanted to face the Tigers in 2006. I won’t pick an opponent again.

  60. stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    You ask me if I’d prefer the team the Yanks have already played 18 times over the team they played just 6-7 times, with 3 of them in April, I choose the latter every time.

  61. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    If anything, I’d probably choose the newbs (Texas). Pressure can get to some players. But, I just really want us to beat whoever comes out of the other half of the draw.

  62. Nick in SF October 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Red Card on Wave Your Hate for appending the “wouldn’t think twice” to the wacky notion that the Brian Cashman who plotted the full court press to land CC a full year in advance would want to trade him for Liriano.

    Yellow Card on me for typing “Wave Your Hate”. :oops:

  63. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    yeah, and I really wanted the Yankees to face Cleveland instead of the Angels in 07

  64. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    AndrewMarchand: [ALCS] Game 2 will be an afternoon game and one of the games at Yankee Stadium will likely be a day game too.

  65. Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I rather face TX ‘s secondary pitching and it’s BP. But , meh, it’s really a toss up. Feliz looks like he is deer in the headlight in the playoff thus far, be interested to see if it comes down to him tonight.

  66. BoJo October 12th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I’m still hoping they play Houston

  67. pat October 12th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    ALCS Game 2 and Game 5 rumored to be 4pm starts.

    4pm good for kids/ bad for people who work 9-5.

  68. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Tampa’s a fundamentally better team (so I’ve heard), but Texas has offensive firepower.

    I think we’re going to say, “ugh” at whoever wins. They’re both tough.

  69. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Stuckey – I’ve mentioned on a few other comments that, yes, I think there are plenty of things that a player can contribute intangibly to a team. C.C. has a reputation as being something of a leader and a mentor and I think that’s fantastic – maybe he makes another pitcher slightly better… Maybe having a good clubhouse makes a difference over the course of a year? It’s possible but some teams with piss poor clubhouse atmospheres (see Yankees in ’77-’78 and ’86 Mets just as recent examples) did pretty damn well.

    Maybe there is something to the idea that hitters do better with an ‘ace’ or a ‘horse’ on the mound or that defenders try harder – I don’t know for a fact. But I do know SIGNIFICANT research has shown little evidence of that either way so I’m not inclined to bank on anything like that. Hell just look at Seattle, they couldn’t put up runs for Hernandez but strangely gave Lee (8-2 in Seattle) great support.

    I just don’t believe in investing based on things like that which can’t be quantified. Before he signed with the Yankees C.C. had a reputation of being a choker (he allowed 22 ER in 25 innings pitched over 5 starts with Cleveland and Milwaukee), now he’s become a ‘big game pitcher’ because he had a fantastic post-season last year. I think both C.C.’s are great pitchers – the early one hit a bad spell in his stuff or on bad balls, the Yankee model pitched well at the right time.

    I think you invest in a pitcher, or any player, because he’s tangibly great. Jeter is one of the greatest players of his generation because he’s one of the best hitting shortstops to ever live, not because of intangibles stuff.

  70. Wave Your Hat October 12th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Nick in SF-

    What did I ever do to you? SF is my favorite city!

  71. Cashman needs to go October 12th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    another reason texas is the better matchup..

    in the playoffs with runs coming at a premium (unless burnett is pitching) you don’t want to face tampa – which can manufacture runs with their speed without even getting a hit….i can picture it now – 8th inning tie game 1-1, bj upton (Or crawford, or jennings, or zobrist or bartlett etc etc) walks, steals second, goes to 3rd with a bunt and scores on a sacrifice fly

    who on texas can do that – bourbon and andrus maybe – and both had average to bad basestealing percentages

  72. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I honestly don’t care who wins tonight. I think the Yankees can beat either team.

  73. tampayank October 12th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    “# Erin October 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    AndrewMarchand: [ALCS] Game 2 will be an afternoon game and one of the games at Yankee Stadium will likely be a day game too.

    Interesting. But I think Game 2 is Saturday

  74. RSM October 12th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I was happy we got Detroit in 2006 and Cleveland in 2007.
    I no longer hope for a particular opponent.

  75. m October 12th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    If the umps are going to screw us on the strike zone, then yes, Texas is the better matchup.

  76. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    I think I’d rather face Texas. Both Lee and Price are magnificent pitchers, some of the best in baseball. But, I think Shields-Garza-Davis is more imposing than Wilson-Lewis-Hunter, plus I think the Tampa bullpen (both closers are top notch) is a bit more imposing.

  77. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Erin-

    You’re not a politician are you ? :)

  78. Nick in SF October 12th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Nothing, but someone once Freudian-typoed “Wave Your Hate” and it still makes me laugh.

  79. Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    f the umps are going to screw us on the strike zone, then yes, Texas is the better matchup.
    ——————
    CR baited!

  80. m October 12th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    If it’s Texas, then Lee doesn’t go until game 3? If we win in less than 7, then we only catch him once.

    I wonder if the Yankees are waiting until the conclusion of this game to decide whether Andy or Phil goes 2.

    I think Phil could possibly pitch 2nd in Texas, and 3rd in NYS if it’s TB.

  81. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    RiverAveBlues Based on the site poll, 81 percent of RAB readers would rather see the Yanks face the Rangers in the ALCS. Careful what you wish for. #fb

  82. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    MTU October 12th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Erin-

    You?re not a politician are you ?

    *****************************
    LOL

    No. 2006 just taught me never to hope for a certain opponent.

  83. Captain Clutch October 12th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I think Texas is a better matchup for the Yanks pitching wize. Lee will probably only pitch one game in the series and they are pretty naked without him. Tampa still has Garza and Davis who are good and Shields could be ok. Texas has Wilson who is good, Lewis I don’t know anything about but he has good numbers and Hunter isn’t good. Hunter against AJ in game 4 would be a good match up for the Yanks. The Rangers bullpen is ok but Feliz has looked really nervous and it isn’t game over late in the game like it would be against Tampa with Benqoit and Soriano from the 7th-8th inning on.

  84. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Beyond Lee, I think the Rays have the best pitching, both starters and relievers. They are better at scratching out runs, and have been to the WS recently. TX has better offense, and they can also steal. Either team will be a challenge.

  85. Rich in NJ October 12th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    “RiverAveBlues Based on the site poll, 81 percent of RAB readers would rather see the Yanks face the Rangers in the ALCS. Careful what you wish for. #fb”

    I view that as a contrary indicator.

  86. UnKnown October 12th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    I want the Rays. More familar and I didn’t feel like the Yankees played at all well in Texas this year. The momentum that the Rays build by coming behind 2 games to 0 and still win the series will be squashed immediately by CC in Game 1.

    Other note doesn’t 4pm eastern seem like a really early time for a game on a Saturday. I would like to see 5pm start for the Yankee game and then the Phillies game could still start at 830, similar to last Saturday and their start times.

  87. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 12th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I’m pulling for tonight’s game to go 30 innings.

  88. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Erin-

    So let me get this straight. Make sure I understand.

    If you’re hoping for Robbie Cano to hit a homer at a certain time and he doesn’t come through does that means you never wish for him to do it on another ocassion ? (like your birthday for instance)

    It’s still what you want right ? He could still love you ? ;)

  89. Cashman needs to go October 12th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    RSM October 12th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    I was happy we got Detroit in 2006 and Cleveland in 2007.
    I no longer hope for a particular opponent.

    ***************

    True but I really think those teams were very flawed..first off you had torre in his full zombie stage – he just didn’t care anymore (arod batting 8th!?!?! and not doing anything with the midge attack) – starting pitching was bad, you had all or nothing hitters (giambi, sheffield to name a few) who were spent by october and really sucky ones (doug bleepin meintkeiwicz played alot, gerald williams too i believe)- no cano – or this version of cano anyway….a washed up randy johnson, scott procter’s dead elbow, i think the bad farnsworth was also on those teams, mike mussina and ching ming wang choking..

    they didn’t have a chance….this years team, as bad as they played in september and early october, are 1000 times better than the 2006/2007 playoff teams

  90. Captain Clutch October 12th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Another problem with the Rays is as soon as they get on 1st base they will steal 2nd and probably 3rd base. Upton, Crawford and all of the other rabbits won’t waste anytime stealing with Posada behind the plate. Texas obviously has a better power lineup but I would rather get beat by the power than giving up a single and that leads to a runner on 3rd that scores on a sac fly.

  91. KPB October 12th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    MTU

    Have you heard about the boyscout?

  92. tyanksfan36 October 12th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    They’re selling Tshirts here that say “Beast of the Eas”t and on the back says “lower payroll better team” and it has new york and boston crossed out. How stupid.

  93. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    KPB-

    Is this another one of those wierd Cajun folklore type jokes ?

    OK. Go ahead I’m ready but it better be good.

  94. m October 12th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    tyanksfan36,

    lol, bulletin board material. You know, should TB advance. haha.

  95. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    36-

    We should have ones which we sell at the Stadium with Maddon’s puss in the middle of a red circle with a red line going thru it.

    Maddon-free zone. :)

  96. KPB October 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    He went into the woods and made a campfire, then left. Came back a week later and it was still burning. So, he spent the afternoon with his old flame. :lol:

  97. Bret The Hitman October 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Will Hamilton play for Texas?

    If not, I’d much rather face Texas.

    If they’re down Hamilton and can’t pitch Lee until Game 3 they’re so much more beatable. Their bullpen is more vulnerable than Tampa’s.

  98. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    KPB-

    Exactly what I would expect from you.

    Don’t try that one on GB.

    He’s not as forgiving as I am. :)

  99. Doreen October 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Hi Guys -

    I was out literally all day.

    Saw the question about preference for tonight’s game. I’ll join the “Extra Innings” crowd.

    I don’t like to choose – I just want the Yankees to play good baseball. But I will say I’m darn tired of watching them play the Rays. Just like all those years I was always darn tired of watching them play the Red Sox. :)

    But I will gladly watch them play either one.

  100. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    MTU-my “rule” only covers never wishing for a particular opponent. That’s the exent of it. I remember being thrilled that they got the Tigers in ’06. Bad memories. LOL

    I always get excited whenever Robbie comes up to bat. Even if he’s on a cold streak. :)

  101. 108 stitches October 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue October 12th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    I’m pulling for tonight’s game to go 30 innings.
    ………………………………………

    I agree but the players would have 2 full days to rest so it wouldn’t have significance unless certain players came up lame.

  102. Doreen October 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Bret =

    Is Hamilton in question? I just heard he’s taking extra hitting.

  103. Don Vito A. Bellamo October 12th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Trisha, taffy arrived safely, Kids LOVE it…thanks ! :-)

  104. UnKnown October 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    You guys are doing a good job of changing my mind to rather facing the Rangers. Tough choice. Timely hitting, good pitching, and good defense. Will beat either one. Defense in the NL has been horrendous by the way.

  105. Captain Clutch October 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    “lower payroll better team”
    ——-

    That’s pathetic. Let’s see what they have to say next year after they lose Crawford and Soriano. I don’t think a $60m pay roll will look that good.

  106. KPB October 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    MTU

    Thanks for the warning, but I learned that type of material from watching his posts. :smile:
    How’s it going today?

  107. Bret The Hitman October 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Isn’t the playing surface much friendlier in Texas than Tampa? With an older banged up team that could be a factor. Also someone mentioned Upton and Crawford and Zobrist running all over Posada…what about the potential that they rattle AJ with that pesky stuff? Also the Rays starters 1-4 are much more stable than Texas. None are candidates to implode.

    Clearly the Rays gave us all we could handle this year in the regular season.

    I don’t want to face them.

  108. Doreen October 12th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    I think Detroit ’06 taught a lot of people a lesson about being careful what you wish for. If not, then certainly ’07 drove the message home! :?

  109. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Doreen-

    The Rays have the same bad “smell” as the Sux. Like dirty laundry.

    Time for a change, and a breath of fresh air.

    Besides they make Lonestar beer down there they can’t be all that bad.

    Erin-

    I don’t worry what I wish for because it’s up to the Yankees to take care of buisness.

    Not only that. JCPD and I have spectacular tributes waiting for them so they’ll be extra motivated. :)

  110. Chambliss October 12th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I wonder if they will sell out the Trop tonight?

  111. m October 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Rays are selling 5000 obstructed view seats. Must be scary, though watching from the catwalks. :P

  112. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    KPB-

    I’m tired today. I was up way too early. I’m keyed up. Been busy planning some hikes and preparing Yankee tributes.

    How are things down on the bayou ?

  113. Captain Clutch October 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Hamilton will play but he isn’t even close to 100% and his timing is really off. He hasn’t faced pitching in a month and he said yesterday that he feels really bad physically and at the plate. During the game the announcers said that Tampa has thrown him all off speed pitches and he is swinging in the dirt at all of them. If the Yanks face them I would definitely stay away from the fastball as much as possible against him.

  114. tyanksfan36 October 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Yeah, that tshirt really irritated me. My dad said he was going to buy one. I told him I would spill bleach on it if he did. What bothers me is that on saturday after they had lost 2 in a row, there was none of that stuff in the stores, the newspapers had pretty much given up on them and were chastised them up and down about how they can’t hit and look awful and how disappointing they had been and then they win 2 games and its a total opposite approach, the papers are acting as if they’ve been hot for weeks. And stores are putting their stuff out. These Rays have a bunch of fairweather fans.

  115. m October 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Longoria has a quad issue, but it didn’t hurt his hitting.

  116. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    m-

    “Must be scary, though watching from the catwalks.”

    Yeah. But you get a birdseye view and you can drop right in. ;)

  117. KPB October 12th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Besides they make Lonestar beer down there they can’t be all that bad.
    ————————————-

    I saw a dead armadillo on the side of the road that someone put on it’s back, legs in the air with a Lone Star beer can. Looked like it was laying back and drinking.

  118. Cashmoney October 12th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    A case for Lee winning tonight…

    http://www.dallasnews.com/shar.....dfade.html

  119. Bret The Hitman October 12th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Another factor albeit minute one is if Tampa wins, they can stay home and be furthered recovered before the ALCS.

    If Texas wins, they have to catch a flight back to Texas at the end of a long series and then readjust to the time change.

    Jet lag.

    I’ll take any advantage we can get.

    This is GO-time.

  120. KPB October 12th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    MTU

    Doing pretty good. Can’t wait to see the tributes. And you might be tired, but as long as your ready to go by Friday it’s all good.

  121. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    KPB-

    They know how to have fun down there.

    My wife has an Armadillo purse. They roll real nice. Make good handbags.

    It was either the Armadillo or me so I was glad when she decided on the Armadillo.

    That definitely woulda hurt. :)

  122. Nick in SF October 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    I know people just use it as a phrase, but I suspect that our wishes will not make any difference in the outcomes of any games or series.
    /LogicRobot’d

  123. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    KPB-

    An she’s got a gator one too.

    Guess I’m next.

  124. upstate kate October 12th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    wait what??? say it isn’t so Nick
    next thing you will be saying is that all our game rituals don’t make any difference!!

  125. Cashman needs to go October 12th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    more reasons to want to play texas..

    2010
    AJ Burnett vs:

    Tampa = 6.27 era, 18.2 ip
    Texas = 2.50 era, 18.0 ip

    Phil Hughes vs:
    Tampa = 4.74 era, 19.0 ip
    Texas = 0.00 era, 1.0 ip

    Andy Pettite vs:

    Tampa = 11.05 era, 7.1 ip
    Texas = 2.25 era, 8.0 ip

    CC Sabathia vs:

    Tampa = 3.38 era, 34.2ip
    Texas = 1.50 era, 6.0 ip

    yes some are small sample sizes but EVERY starter has better numbers vs the rangers..

    its not a coincidence…..

  126. Bret The Hitman October 12th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Nick in SF,

    I agree in that my Joakim Soria prayer circle proved ineffective this year.

    But then again, maybe we weren’t praying hard enough.

  127. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Kate-

    Nick must be pullin’ everyones leg.

    We have to be able to rely on the Black Arts as well as superstition to aid our cause.

  128. KPB October 12th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    MTU

    Is your skin that rough? If so, let me know. I’ll send some lotions. And tell her that if she does that, then the Yanks will lose their edge from not having tributes. Is she prepared to take on such a burden?

  129. Bad Scooter October 12th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Have the announced the times of the games yet?

  130. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    KPB-

    Years in the Sun will do that. Toughens the hide.

    I hate to tell you this but she has absolutely no interest whatsoever in Baseball. Yankee or otherwise. I’m on an island on that one.

    Then again, I don’t like women’s volleyball except for the bikini’s and the Women so I sort of understand. :)

  131. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    BryanHoch A.J. Burnett will throw about five simulated innings here at Yankee Stadium tomorrow, preparing for his ALCS start.

  132. BWOzar October 12th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Bad Scooter: According to TBS’ schedule (NLCS is on Fox) the TV block for Game 1 is at 8 PM and Game 2 is 4 PM.

  133. MTU October 12th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    “A.J. Burnett will throw about five simulated innings here at Yankee Stadium tomorrow, preparing for his ALCS start.”

    I hope he has more than simulated control. :)

  134. Erin October 12th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    New Post- Up next: Simulated A.J.

    :arrow:

  135. tampayank October 12th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    “# Bret The Hitman October 12th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Another factor albeit minute one is if Tampa wins, they can stay home and be furthered recovered before the ALCS.

    If Texas wins, they have to catch a flight back to Texas at the end of a long series and then readjust to the time change.

    Jet lag.

    I’ll take any advantage we can get.

    This is GO-time.

    Dallas in CST. not really much of a difference. Nothing like the San Francisco-Philly where you are going 3 times zones back and forth

  136. stuckey99 October 12th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Wonder if we’ll see this dynamic play out?

    If Lee is ordinary tonight, will Yanks fans begin to question his off-season acquisition?

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