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Postworkout notes: “We better worry about Game 1 first”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Oct 13, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ALCS Yankees Ready BaseballUp next for the Yankees is Rangers starter C.J. Wilson, a converted reliever who had a 3.35 ERA in his first full year as a Major League starter and pitched 6.1 scoreless innings in Game 2 of the division series. He’s a legitimate No. 2 starter who would have pitched his way into the No. 1 spot on a lot of teams.

On Wednesday, though, Wilson was a small part of the conversation after the Yankees final Bronx workout before flying to Texas. Certainly his name was brought up, but he was easily eclipsed by two things: Cliff Lee and the Rangers base running.

In finishing off the Rays in Tuesday’s Game 5, the Rangers ace once again stole the show, and it was the team’s aggressive base running — twice scoring from second on a ground ball — that gave them an early lead.

“As you saw last night in the first five innings, they stole three runs,” Alex Rodriguez said. “Obviously defensively we have a great challenge. We have to be heads up and we have to expect the unexpected from them.”

Said Girardi: “They’re more aggressive (than the Twins) on the basepaths. That’s a big part of their game. They’re more of a right-handed power lineup where the Twins were more split up. They’ve got a huge left-handed bat in Josh Hamilton. They’re going to throw a lot of big, powerful right-handers at you. They’re a much more aggressive club than the Twins are.”

And they have Cliff Lee.

The Yankees don’t need to be reminded of how good Lee has been in the postseason. They saw it first hand last year. Last night, he used his curveball more than usual, something all of the Yankees seemed to either notice or hear about.

“We know we’re going to face him,” Girardi said. “Their other guys threw the ball (well). C.J. Wilson, his start against Tampa was outstanding. It’s not like it’s going to get any easier. We’re not going to face him until Game 3, but we better worry about Game 1 first.”

ALCS Yankees Ready Baseball• Lee and CC Sabathia are old friends from their days in the Indians organization. So was Sabathia rooting for his buddy last night? “Sure,” Sabathia said. “You want your friends to pitch well and play well. Not so much in Game 3.”

• Did today’s workout feel different because the Yankees knew who they would be playing? “We all knew when we were going to be playing,” Nick Swisher said. “I think more than the team itself, we were ready for the opportunity and the time. You’ve got to take care of the things that you need to take care of. You can’t worry about how good the other team is or what they’ve accomplished. We feel like we’ve got a good team, and we’ve done that all year long by taking care of the things we need to take care of.”

• Girardi said the team had not decided whether Franciso Cervelli would catch Burnett. “That’s something that we’re going to talk about,” Girardi said. “The most we’re going to play is three days in a row, unless there’s some crazy rainout. I really haven’t gotten beyond the first couple of games as far as our schedule right now.”

• Even though the day was full of Cliff Lee questions, Girardi said he wasn’t worried about his players looking too far ahead. Several players — Swisher, Posada and Teixeira stood out to me — brushed off most of the Lee questions throughout the day. “I don’t think our guys have any focus on Game 3,” Girardi said. “These are professional guys that have been here, that know we’ve got to worry about Game 1. And I don’t think our guys are going to talk about Game 3, I really don’t, because our most important game right now is Game 1 and that’s what you worry about.”

• Mark Teixeira began his career with the Rangers and played in Texas for most of five seasons. Michael Young remains one of his best friends in the game. That being said, he was traded away as part of a rebuilding process, and that rebuilding has been pretty thurough. “It was actually more odd last year with the Angels because it was basically the exact same team that I left,” Teixeira said.

• Although Lee dominated most of the conversations, Wilson was certainly discussed this afternoon. “His style of pitching over the last couple of years has changed,” Swisher said. “He’s not throwing 96, 97 any more. He’s really spotting the ball. He’s pitching now. And I think he’s a lot tougher now. He’s really doing a good job of changing speeds, working the plate, staying down in the zone. The mistakes he does make, we’re going to have to take advantage of because it seems of late they’ve been few and far between.”

• The Yankees will workout in Arlington tomorrow at 5:30 p.m. central.

Associated Press photos of Swisher and Girardi

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162 Responses to “Postworkout notes: “We better worry about Game 1 first””

  1. Betsy October 13th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    First things first indeed………….Lee is a non-factor until game 3, so there’s no point in the Yankees even discussing him.

  2. MG October 13th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    I just saw the Yankees rotation and agree with it completely. Hughes has pitched well in Texas and Andy matches up well with Lee in game 3 and a potential game 7.

  3. MG October 13th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    I see the Yankees with a big advantage in starting pitching in the first two games. CC is better than Wilson, Hughes is much better than Lewis, and Lee is a slight overlay over Andy, game 4 is a complete tossup and then the Yankees have the same big advantage in games 5 and 6.

    Yankees in 5 or 6, nothing has changed for me since yesterday.

  4. BoJo October 13th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Many may knock Girardi, but he plays baseball like a chess game. He is willing to think big picture and sacrifice short term losses for the long term win…thus AJ might lose game 4 and the Yankees might be 2-2 in the series, but he has CC and Hughes going for the kill in YS and then on the road.

    It is the same thinking that allowed him to have his older team completely rested and mostly healthy for the play-offs.

    It might not always be pretty, but he puts the Yankees in a great position to win it all.

  5. BoJo October 13th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    BTW, Josh Hamilton has got to get a lot of credit playing with a cracked rib. It must be very painful to play though, but he sucked it up and strapped it on. Great ball player who thankfully will probably still be at less than 100% in the upcoming sereis.

  6. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Mission accomplished Chile! The last miner has been rescued. That’s just so great.

  7. Erica in NY October 13th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    1 Day, 22 Hours, and 28 Minutes until Game 1 of the ALCS :grin:

  8. CR9 October 13th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Even if we were to go back to NY with a split:

    1. Cliff Lee is not unbeatable. He is NOT UNBEATABLE. Our New York Yankees can defeat Cliff Lee.

    2. AJ Burnett is not a lost cause. NOT A LOST CAUSE. He can win Game 4 if given the opportunity.

  9. Cashmoney October 13th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Another one bites the dust
    Another one bites the dust
    And another one gone, and another one gone
    Another one bites the dust
    Hey, I’m gonna get you too
    Another one bites the dust

  10. Cashmoney October 13th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud
    Hey! You! Get off of my cloud
    Hey! You! Get off of my cloud
    Don’t hang around ’cause two’s a crowd
    On my cloud, baby

  11. yanks 27 October 13th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    AJ Burnett is a true American hero!

  12. G-C October 13th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    I’m so sick of all the talk about Cliff Lee.

    Do you think the Texas Rangers’ fans and media have been fixated on CC Sabathia for the better part of the last 24 hours? I doubt it.

    It needs to stop.

  13. CR9 October 13th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    This Chilean mine workers story is beyond words. Bravo to them all! Character and Courage! Heroes!!

  14. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    You got that right CR9.

  15. Robin October 13th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    # CR9 October 13th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    This Chilean mine workers story is beyond words. Bravo to them all! Character and Courage! Heroes!!
    ———————————————-
    But they’re no where near as heroic as the gritty, gutty Red Sox, especially Pedoria taking grounders on his knees (sniffle).

  16. m October 13th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Sounds like the Yankee players were tired if hearing about Cliff Lee, too.

  17. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    With all the talk about Cliff Lee – look out for Vlade Guerrero. He is a first ballot Hall Of Famer who has no strike zone and is nowhere near done.

    2010:

    .300 BA – 29 Home Runs – 115 RBI’s

    Lifetime:

    .320 BA – 436 Home Runs – 8 time All Star – AL MVP

  18. Cashmoney October 13th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    The impaler’s away OPS is merely 796 , buyer beware !

  19. Robin October 13th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Vlad didn’t do so hot vs the Rays: 5/19 w. only 1 xbasehit

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    What he did in a 5 game series has nothing to do with what kind of hitter he is.

  21. LGY October 13th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    AJ Burnett is a true American hero!

    *******

    He really is an inspiration to us all. He is awful at his job yet still manages to pull down 16.5 million a year.The American Dream. :lol:

  22. m October 13th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Down & away, down & away, up the ladder to Vlad

    Cruz had been a Yankee killer.

  23. CR9 October 13th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    lol LGY! Believe in AJ! I stake my life on AJ Burnett in the ALCS.

    lmao Robin!

  24. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    The Yankees should give out 40,000 “I believe in AJ towels”.

  25. JM October 13th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Swish looks like he’s about to chomp down hard on that bat.

  26. tyanksfan36 October 13th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Did any of you see that Simpsons episode MoneyBart? I watched it on hulu last night and laughed through the whole thing.

  27. GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Too many clowns are tossing the word “hero” around. Great news on the miners, but, being survivors don’t make them heroes. It’s time people learned the meaning of words that get far over-used.

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Oy Vey! From the Joba Chamberlain school of self evaluation. lol

    “A.J. Burnett said he took a big step forward during an 80-pitch outing on Wednesday in a simulation game at Yankee Stadium”.

    “Burnett’s first pitch on Wednesday, with Greg Golson in the box, went over catcher Francisco Cervelli’s head and hit the backstop”.

    “His fifth pitch hit Golston on the arm”.

    “He later drilled Austin Kearns on the shoulder”.

  29. Rich in NJ October 13th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    “He really is an inspiration to us all. He is awful at his job yet still manages to pull down 16.5 million a year.The American Dream. ”

    MLB needs to put a clawback provision in the next CBA.

    /dream on

  30. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Too many clowns are tossing the word “hero” around. Great news on the miners, but, being survivors don’t make them heroes. It’s time people learned the meaning of words that get far over-used.

    ********

    Really? 60 days a half-mile below the earth? Seventeen days with no contact thinking you’re going to die? Organizing, remaining calm, pulling together, sharing food and water? Ordinary men doing extraordinary things? Not heroes?

  31. Erica in NY October 13th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Good night Yankee people!

  32. West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I think Cano is going to have a huge series, just a feeling.

  33. Betsy October 13th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Quiet night on the blog

  34. Rich in NJ October 13th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    As a group, they aren’t heroes, but there may be a few individuals in the group that acted heroically.

  35. Cashmoney October 13th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    @ Rich , have you ever read The Best and the Brightest by Halberstam? good stuff IMO.

  36. LGY October 13th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    “Too many clowns are tossing the word “hero” around. Great news on the miners, but, being survivors don’t make them heroes. It’s time people learned the meaning of words that get far over-used.”

    —————————

    Definition of HERO
    1
    a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability
    b : an illustrious warrior
    c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
    d : one that shows great courage

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hero

  37. AldotheApache October 13th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    With all the talk about Cliff Lee – look out for Vlade Guerrero. He is a first ballot Hall Of Famer who has no strike zone and is nowhere near done.

    ——————————————————————–

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
    I think Cano is going to have a huge series, just a feeling.

    ======================================

    (And then in the World Series, it will be …)

    “Watch out for that Roy Halladay. Just a feeling.”

    - OR -

    “I have a feeling Tim Lincecum is going to have a huge series.”

    Talk about going out on the limb.

  38. Bret The Hitman October 13th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Happy about the rotation.

    We have a decided advantage in Games 1 and 2. If we go up 2-0 then the pressure is really on Texas in Game 3. Andy should make good work of them if they’re pressing.

    If we go up 2-0, we win the series IMHO.

    Go CC!

    Go Phil!

  39. LGY October 13th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    I see there was some talk earlier about Lincecum and Halladay being better than CC, and especially Halladay is a no brainer.

    2010 vs Non-Pitchers Meaning taking out all the at bats Lincecum and Halladay had against pitchers.

    Tim Lincecum: .249/.320/.379 .700 OPS

    Roy Halladay: .251/.278/.386 .664 OPS

    The Big Man: .239/.300/.356 .656 OPS

  40. Betsy October 13th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    LGY, that was Michael Kay…………..

    I have no idea why CC continues to be an underrated great pitcher. Maybe it’s because he’s not flashy enough or maybe it’s because he pitches for the Yankees; oddly, he got more credit when he was a Brewer.

  41. Carl October 13th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Tough to pitch in NY.

    Every pitcher hates to answer Kim Jones when she says, “CC, what happened out there?”

    CC is a beast.

    He could have stayed in the NL and put up crazy low ERA’s year after year, but he wanted to pitch in the big city and win a ring.

    I don’t blame him. He’s now in position to do what Reggie did.

    1.65 era with the Brewers. 130 innings.

  42. RSM October 13th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Just thought I’d convey an amusing story. My father and I are both lifelong Yankee fans, and have both relocated to the Philly area. I’ve been here longer, so I’m used to boorish Philly fans. My parents moved more recently, and Dad is still having a hard time adjusting. It’s funny, he will only read NY newspapers.
    Well, here’s the part I thought was amusing. We were watching the Phils-Cincy game 2 last week, and the fans started waving their silly towels. He says, “Oh Christ, here comes those stupid hankies!”

  43. Pepitone October 13th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Caption for the Swisher photo:

    “A baseball bat! For me? Ah, you shouldn’t have, you really shouldn’t have.”

    Yankees in 6.

  44. Rich in NJ October 13th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Yes, Cash, for a “US and the Third World” course at NYU a long time ago.

  45. CR9 October 13th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Wow, I didnt think GreenBeret7 would be the one to make the idiotic post of the night.

    Just because you served in the military, GB, doesnt give you the right to define what is or what is not a hero.

    Heck, if you wanna go down that road, not every person that serves in the military is a hero. :)

  46. RSM October 13th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Agree CC is underrated. Not only is he a great pitcher, but he is an absolute workhorse. Pitches deep into games, is never injured and can pitch on short rest.
    Worth every penny.

  47. Betsy October 13th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Banuelos did not pitch well tonight; I got the stats from another board:

    Two innings, four hits, two runs, one walk, one K.

    **cure the worries about the kid, especially as it seems that Casey Kelly pitched well.

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    CC aside from having a great arm has the grit, determination and unwillingness to fail that defines great competitors in sports. He’s the very definition of an ace, there are few like him.

  49. Your Worst Nightmare October 14th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    I am looking forward to the upcoming ALCS against the Rangers. Other than Cliff Lee we should be able to put some runs up on the board vs the balance of their SP and BP.

    The last time we were in Arlington we had some guys hurt and others nursing nagging injuries, this time we will have the ‘A’ lineup and our pitching at close to full strength. Lee in game # 3, Yanks win in 6 avoiding Lee in game #7.

  50. Clare October 14th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    GB7 doesn’t need me to defend him – but I will anyway. There was nothing idiotic about his post. Survivors and heroes get conflated all the time by the media (and others), but they’re not the same. You can laud someone for surviving a hellish experience, but that doesn’t mean he’s a hero. And, GB7 has never said or implied that everyone in the service is a hero.

  51. stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    “Ordinary men doing extraordinary things? Not heroes?”

    Not to put too fine a point in it, but they aren’t ordinary men. They’re miners, the best people in the world prepared and equipped to survive in a mine.

    “Really? 60 days a half-mile below the earth? Seventeen days with no contact thinking you’re going to die? Organizing, remaining calm, pulling together, sharing food and water?”

    I of course and very glad of their survival, and greatly respect what their ability to cope with what they they did to return to their families.

    But having a survival instinct isn’t “heroism”. The coped and managed through a situation they had no choice but to cope and manage through.

    Heroism should be reserved for people who given a choice, act voluntarily in the defense or betterment of others.

  52. stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    “Just because you served in the military, GB, doesnt give you the right to define what is or what is not a hero.”

    Just because you ….. ….. ……, CR9, doesn’t give you the right to define what is or what is not a hero.

    So GB7 doesn’t, but you do?

  53. Eduardo October 14th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    “So GB7 doesn’t, but you do?”

    ___________

    stuckey99-

    There is a definition of “hero” in Webster’s dictionary. I refer you to LGY post October 13th, 2010 at 11:13 pm. The views of CR9 fall under the criteria set forth by Webster’s. Clare and GB7 do not ultimately define what a hero is.

  54. West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    I wouldn’t call his post idiotic there is no reason to be that personal, it’s his opinion. But it’s sad to me that some so quickly seek to denigrate the heroic miners in Chile. The entire world are calling them heroes, why begrudge them this? They certainly fit the definition of hero that was posted above from the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

    “A man admired for his achievements and noble qualities”.

    “One that shows great courage”.

    We shouldn’t admire them for their achievements? They weren’t acting nobly? They didn’t show great courage?

    Being trapped underground for 69 days, the first seventeen with no contact with the outside world, having to be brave and courageous and work together to maintain one’s sanity and facilities and to survive. Being selfless, not selfish and working together collaboratively for the good of the group and not any one individual. That’s heroic in my book.

    The way the Chileans handled the tragic earthquake and now this mine collapse was exemplary. We could learn a lot from them.

  55. AldotheApache October 14th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Clare October 14th, 2010 at 12:34 am
    GB7 doesn’t need me to defend him – but I will anyway. There was nothing idiotic about his post. Survivors and heroes get conflated all the time by the media (and others), but they’re not the same. You can laud someone for surviving a hellish experience, but that doesn’t mean he’s a hero. And, GB7 has never said or implied that everyone in the service is a hero.

    ———————————–

    Very well said!

  56. West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    But having a survival instinct isn’t “heroism”. The coped and managed through a situation they had no choice but to cope and manage through.

    Heroism should be reserved for people who given a choice, act voluntarily in the defense or betterment of others.

    ****************

    Oh but they did have a choice, They could have chosen not to organize and maintain discipline. They could have acted selfishly where every could have been out for himself, where they didn’t share food, water and resources.

    The miners did act voluntarily in the defense or betterment of others. They helped each other to survive. Some read poetry, others lead the group in song. Yet another acted as the minister, yet another the de-facto medic; they called him “Dr. House”. T

  57. CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    WCYF – What an excellent post. Especially your final line. Bravo! I stated a simple non-controversial opinion, and then a buffoon like GB7 enters the conversation defining what a hero is. Very, very sad and disheartening.

    Clare – are you to GB7 what Peter Gammons is to the Red Sox? A brown-nosing, arse-smoocher?! :)

    “Before being heroes, they are victims,” University of Santiago psychologist Sergio Gonzalez told the AP. “These people who are coming out of the bottom of the mine are different people … and their families are, too.”

    “Chilean Miners True Working Class Heroes!”
    http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics.....1273/67371

    “This was the most amazing story I had ever seen. Those miners are the greatest heroes I can think of — for their endurance and solidarity in the most unimaginable conditions. What an inspiration to us all to learn how to get along.”

  58. stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    “There is a definition of “hero” in Webster’s dictionary. I refer you to LGY post October 13th, 2010 at 11:13 pm. The views of CR9 fall under the criteria set forth by Webster’s. Clare and GB7 do not ultimately define what a hero is.”

    I don’t think there is any question that the application of such a term is highly personal. Are there literal, broad definitions? Absolutely. But it strikes me as odd to cite Webster in context of this discussion.

    The purpose of dictionaries, in fact, are not to dictate meaning, but to REFLECT it. If society takes it upon themselves (as they often do) to use old words in new ways, dictionaries change to reflect that.

    So I’ll gladly concede everyone can claim rights to ‘proper’ use of the term.

    Not sure that’s what the conversation is really about though.

  59. CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    WCYF – I meant your 12:47 post, but after reading it, also your 12:54 post.

  60. AldotheApache October 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    But having a survival instinct isn’t “heroism”. The coped and managed through a situation they had no choice but to cope and manage through.

    Heroism should be reserved for people who given a choice, act voluntarily in the defense or betterment of others.

    ———————————————–

    Stuckey nails it … and I’ll take it one step further.

    When personal views on social issues enter into the discussion on a Yankees blog, the discussions stray easily, quickly, and can degenerate into conflict in no time at all.

    I’ve seen it happen in the past. And it so happens that it was started THEN by the same poster.

    Let’s leave the self righteous posturing for socio-political blogs. There’s plenty of animosity and disagreeable comments to be found on those.

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Thanks CR9. That was a terrific article you posted.

    “These miners are truly working class heroes. Their sense of solidarity and commitment to one another has helped them to all stay alive while buried deep underground.”

  62. GreenBeret7 October 14th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Eduardo October 14th, 2010 at 12:45 am
    “So GB7 doesn’t, but you do?”

    ___________

    stuckey99-

    There is a definition of “hero” in Webster’s dictionary. I refer you to LGY post October 13th, 2010 at 11:13 pm. The views of CR9 fall under the criteria set forth by Webster’s. Clare and GB7 do not ultimately define what a hero is.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    what they showed was an ability to survive under extreme circumstances. Admirable, miraculous, but, not heroic. The rescuer that went down into the cage to arrange the removal came closer to being a hero. He went down that half a mile without knowing with 100% certainty as to whether they could extract him or not. It took a lot of nerve to do something that had never been tried before…that was only theory. As far as the miners go, they deserve all of the thanks and admiration for banding together and surviving. None did anymore than the other. They shared food and water because there was no choice. It was a fantastic end to a tragic accident. For that, everyone should be pleased and happy.

    I didn’t say anything about who was a hero or what a hero is…I only said what and who wasn’t. As for the idiot bringing the military aspects into this, I never mentioned anything about it. I do think that I may have a clearer idea about than some warped degenerate does, though.

  63. CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Aldo – When you say “it was started THEN by the same poster”, are you referring to me? If you are, I shall defend myself by saying that I gave a simple compliment; I wasnt looking for controversy.

    As for heroes, a hero is marked by courage. A hero is defined by the dictionary as displaying great courage. I clearly stated in my compliment of the miners, “Character and Courage. Heroes.”

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    GreenBeret7 October 14th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    “The rescuer that went down into the cage to arrange the removal came closer to being a hero. He went down that half a mile without knowing with 100% certainty as to whether they could extract him or not. It took a lot of nerve to do something that had never been tried before, that was only theory.”

    ***************

    With all due respect GB7, that is not factually true. They raised and lowered the rescue capsule four times in the shaft before sending the rescuer down. The empty capsule was raised and lowered 2,000 feet into the mine, just 40 feet short of the shaft bottom.

  65. CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    “some warped degenerate does” Thanks for the compliment GB7 :)

    “I only said what and who wasn’t” You dont have the right to define what or who isnt, either.

    It must gnaw at you that a crazy warped degenerate like me has more intelligence than you!

  66. stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    “But it’s sad to me that some so quickly seek to denigrate the heroic miners in Chile.”

    No one is, their story is admirable.

    “The way the Chileans handled the tragic earthquake and now this mine collapse was exemplary. We could learn a lot from them.”

    Agreed.

    “Oh but they did have a choice, They could have chosen not to organize and maintain discipline. They could have acted selfishly where every could have been out for himself, where they didn’t share food, water and resources.”

    These men were professional miners. They’re prepared like no other people in the world of the realities of spending hours of their life 2000 feet below the surface of the earth.

    I think given their experience, they all knew it was in their own individual best, interest to work together to assure their survival, IN ADDITION to unselfish interest in assuring the survival of their friends and co-workers.

    I don’t find it terribly extraordinary that somehow the miners didn’t individually determine that turning the mine into the third act of “Lord of the Flies” was in their self-ish best interests.

    Again, what they did was admirable, and as you said, much can and should be learned from it.

    But personally, what it comes down to for me personally, I think what they did is what a MAJORITY of people would do in comparable situations.

    There are bad, selfish people in the world, but time and time again, we see people in extraordinary circumstances act in similar fashion.

    I think what we witnessed was humanity, not heroism.

  67. AldotheApache October 14th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    I’ve never seen Tommy Hunter pitch. So I looked him up.

    6’3 – 280? Sheesh!

  68. CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Far be it for a buffoon like GB7 to attain all the facts before rushing to judgment!

  69. Your Worst Nightmare October 14th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    “Chilean Miners True Working Class Heroes!”

    Alot was given and sacrificed by the miners while their very survival was at risk. Many, many people banded together to create a mode and provide the equipment needed to rescue these men.

    I would consider the total rescue effort as well as the miners efforts towards their own survival heroic.

  70. West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    I respect your opinion stuckey99, you present it in a reasonable way. I suppose ultimately it’s up to each person to see the situation subjectively, according to their own personal perspective.

    I’m sure the common ground here that everyone can agree on is how thankful we all are that these men survived and lived to be with their families again.

  71. CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    WCYF – As for getting personal about the “opinions,” I only responded in kind to GB7 personal attack on those referring to the miners as heroes.

    However, two wrong dont make a right. And now, Im out of this very personal discussion.

    I am, though, deeply saddened that what was a mere compliment to a bunch of courageous heroes has turned into this.

    Niters!

    Congratulations once again to the courageous Chilean miners that define heroism.

  72. AldotheApache October 14th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 1:05 am
    Aldo – When you say “it was started THEN by the same poster”, are you referring to me? If you are, I shall defend myself by saying that I gave a simple compliment; I wasnt looking for controversy.

    —————————————————–

    CR9,

    Not at all. YOU did not introduce the subject into the thread. West Coast Yankee Fan aka redfish did.

    And what you posted did not seem controversial at all. Didn’t intend to give you that impression.

    But I stand by the post.

    Back to the Yankees …

  73. GreenBeret7 October 14th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 1:09 am
    GreenBeret7 October 14th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    “The rescuer that went down into the cage to arrange the removal came closer to being a hero. He went down that half a mile without knowing with 100% certainty as to whether they could extract him or not. It took a lot of nerve to do something that had never been tried before, that was only theory.”

    ***************

    With all due respect GB7, that is not factually true. They raised and lowered the rescue capsule four times in the shaft before sending the rescuer down. The empty capsule was raised and lowered 2,000 feet into the mine, just 40 feet short of the shaft bottom.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It had not been tried with a person…that means it was not a 100% certainty of it being safe. I’ve seen a lot of testing that was done and worked fine, until risk of humans were added to it and it failed. No amount of “testing” is the same until a human life is added to the equation. would you have gone down in that cage as the first human guinea pig?

  74. tyanksfan36 October 14th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Betsy

    Regarding Banuelos. I have seen him pitch about 3 times and each of those times he got hit hard. But mostly because balls found holes through infielders He is mostly a ground ball pitcher so his defense has to be good. My friends husband is a relief pitcher in the nationals organization and he has a pretty high ERA but when looking at his stats I noticed that in 50 something appearances, he only allowed 1 home run which is remarkable and also shows that, I think, if you don’t have a good defense behind you as a GB pitcher, things can go bad real quick. I think that Banuelos is really young(19) and therefore can spend a few years getting his stuff together before he is really needed to be good. I’m hoping for selfish reasons that he starts the 2011 season in Tampa so I can watch him pitch some more, he was injured most of this season.

  75. CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    “I would consider the total rescue effort as well as the miners efforts towards their own survival heroic.”

    I completely agree. All the countries that banded together in the rescue, remarkable!

    Aldo – I dont want the blame being inadvertently put on WCYF. My post at 10:10 introduced the subject iirc.

  76. AldotheApache October 14th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    I repeat …

    When personal views on social issues enter into the discussion on a Yankees blog, the discussions stray easily, quickly, and can degenerate into conflict in no time at all.

    I’ve seen it happen in the past. And it so happens that it was started THEN by the same poster.

    Let’s leave the self righteous posturing for socio-political blogs. There’s plenty of animosity and disagreeable comments to be found on those.

  77. stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    I believe Betsy was being sarcastic in suggesting that Banuelos giving up 2 runs on 4 hits in 2 innings was cause for concern.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan October 14th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    GreenBeret7 October 14th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    ******************************
    Again, there were four trial runs done, the capsule was raised and lowered four times, 2,000 feet. Nothing is 100% certain. The first man sent down was a highly trained rescue expert with the state copper company Codelco. He was followed by a paramedic with the Chilean Navy’s special forces.

    I understand your perspective even though I don’t agree. I’m sure you are as happy as I am that they were all rescued. Whatever you or I want to call them. Heroes or not.

    All’s well that ends well.

  79. AldotheApache October 14th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    CR9 October 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Aldo – I dont want the blame being inadvertently put on WCYF. My post at 10:10 introduced the subject iirc.

    —————————————————————-

    CR9, You DIDN’T introduce it … he did – both yesterday and today. Note:

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    Mission accomplished Chile! The last miner has been rescued. That’s just so great.

  80. GreenBeret7 October 14th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Banuelos had no spring training and at his age and amount of experience, he’s been pushed fast. It will help him in the long run, but, that hardly makes him a failure. He is always the youngest player in his league by at least 2 years. He’s going to be just fine, as long as he remains healthy. Look at what he did in Charleston against college kids last year. He acually pitched quite well considering the amount of time he missed at the start of 2010. How many 19 year olds played in AA this year? One.

  81. tyanksfan36 October 14th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Stuckey99

    I was just giving my opinion to her regarding him since she brought it up. I don’t really find it cause for concern either since he probably hasn’t pitched in a while.

  82. stuckey99 October 14th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    “I don’t really find it cause for concern either since he probably hasn’t pitched in a while.”

    Understood.

    Just saying nothing any pitcher ever does in 2 innings anywhere is ever is anything to be concerned over, and I’m confident Betsy agrees.

  83. AldotheApache October 14th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    GB7, I don’t follow it much, but aren’t those games usually high scoring, with the dry air helping batted balls fly out?

  84. tyanksfan36 October 14th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Also, he did pitch only the first 2 innings, sometimes it takes them a while to get in a groove so 2 innings doesn’t really give them time to show what they’ve really got. He is an intriguing pitcher and a lefty which I can never get enough of. Hopefully he stays healthy through 2011 and we can see him in 2012.

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    GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
    Too many clowns are tossing the word “hero” around. Great news on the miners, but, being survivors don’t make them heroes. It’s time people learned the meaning of words that get far over-used.
    ————————-
    This was GB7′s response to the following comments.

    CR9 October 13th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    This Chilean mine workers story is beyond words. Bravo to them all! Character and Courage! Heroes!!

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 13th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
    You got that right CR9.
    ——————————-
    If GB had refrained from attacking other posters personally while stating a personal opinion about what his/her definition of a hero is . This whole matter could have been avoided.

    Just a thought.

  86. Tim in Trenton October 14th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Although I have only an outside reader of the BTB site this type of finger pointed of who said what or initiated a topic of discussion is exactly why I posted only a couple of times at that site. Is this type of stuff over here too?

    The Miners in Chile is a worldwide story, who cares who introduced it here? All that matters is that those men are safe, healthy and with the people who love them.

  87. GreenBeret7 October 14th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Aldo, the AFL is almost totally a hitter’s league. When the Hawaiian Fall/Winter League was being operated, it was a pitcher’s league. The dry air and high altitude certainly has much to do with it. Most of the pitchers are usually those coming off of injuries or those that are younger than the hitters. Neither one does more than get the hitters extra at bats and the pitchers more innings, and that really helps. For others, like Brandon Laird for instance, will go to learn new positions or polish defensive skills.

  88. Nick in SF October 14th, 2010 at 2:51 am

    Wait just one second…. so what you’re all saying is that just because AJ hasn’t lost game four yet that he’s some kind of hero???

    Not on my watch he isn’t! :mad:

  89. m October 14th, 2010 at 3:09 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....yth-36854/

    Good perspective. If we lose this series, a lot of other things besides AJ will have gone wrong.

  90. have a cigar October 14th, 2010 at 7:44 am

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  91. Rich in NJ October 14th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    AJ may be the reason the Yankees lose, or he may be the Yankees win.

  92. Doreen October 14th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Here’s a picture (and article about) of Robinson Cano doing KLong’s drill that shortens the swing, aka “the Home Run Drill.” Chad has tried to describe how the drill is set up, but I had trouble picturing it. This picture is perfect for those like me:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....s_hug.html

  93. tyanksfan36 October 14th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    m

    I read that froom RAB. I agreed with a lot of it and it does put it into perspective. Pitching AJ against Cliff Lee with the idea of immediate failure is the loser mentality. It might also make them think the Yankees are not serious about winning if they’re willing to make one game “an automatic loss” by pitching AJ. Putting one of the best pitchers out there shows that they aren’t afraid and aren’t settling for a loss.

  94. Betsy October 14th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Of course my last comment was sarcastic, though you know the Law’s of the world will make that game a referendum on Banuelos’s future. Why would I be worried about a 19 year old having a bad 2 innings? He’s going to have a lot more bad innings in his future, just like every other pitcher does. He’s also going to have a lot more good innings.

  95. Betsy October 14th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    I don’t see that at all, Rich.

  96. tyanksfan36 October 14th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Doreen

    Saw that on twitter, I’m happy someone posted an up close picture of it because I too have trouble picturing it in my head. Now it all makes sense

  97. Betsy October 14th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Laws not Law’s

  98. tyanksfan36 October 14th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Betsy

    Didn’t know you were being sarcastic. When I wrote out that comment, it was past my bedtime. I agree with what you say that people will and do make something out of nothing, my whole thing is that those people haven’t ever seen him pitch. They were making comments when he started that playoff game that he hadn’t even won a game. What those people didn’t see is that he is a groundball pitcher and most of those balls that always led to runs, got through infielders. He is mighty impressive though and hopefully he has an injury free 2011 so he can show everyone what he’s got.

  99. Joe from Long Island October 14th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Doreen – Many thanks for posting that link. I had a totally incorrect picture in my mind, reading that article and seeing that photo really makes it simple to understand. Takent together with the RF porch in the Stadium, I would think all LH hitters would be lining up for that drill.

  100. Rich in NJ October 14th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    What don’t you see, Betsy?

  101. Betsy October 14th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    I don’t agree that AJ is going to be the reason why we win or lose.

  102. Betsy October 14th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Later!

  103. JM October 14th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    I am sure the players don’t automatically assume they will lose with AJ pitching (although they may not enjoy playing defense behind him, LOL). And conversely, I doubt they automatically assume they will lose every game that Cliff Lee starts against them.

  104. Rich in NJ October 14th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    That’s not what I said, Betsy,

    I merely said he could cause a loss or a win.

  105. upstate kate October 14th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Yes, I agree. Aj has the ability to pitch great and Cliff Lee is an excellent pictcher, but can be beat.

    the guys on xm were ripping Aj this am, laughing at how he hit 2 in a sim game. They did acknowledge he has the potential to get a W.

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