Yankees settle for split in Texas
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 16, 2010 
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Leave it to Sam to explain today’s game in eight words: The sequel wasn’t as good as the original. In basically a remake of last night’s game — starter struggles, bullpen holds steady, offense needs to rally — the Yankees couldn’t replicate last night’s heroics and took a 7-2 loss to the Rangers in Game 2 of the ALCS. Robinson Cano had a home run for a second night in a row, but Friday’s five-run eighth inning never happened. Instead, the struggles of Phil Hughes left the Yankees in a hole they couldn’t escape. One week after he pitched so brilliantly in the division series, Hughes allowed seven runs through four innings, his worst Texas outing by a country mile.
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Gardner’s on base percentage in the last 80 games or so has been made up almost ENTIRELY of the walk. With 2 outs, a walk does not substantially increase the chance of scoring one run, which is what the Yankees needed to start chipping away at the lead again.
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So dumb I am going to reply twice. It was more than 50% hits.
.360 OBP
.240 BA
.120 from walks
LOL math , another thing Matt seems to not understand
The Yankees did what they had to do.
Got the split. Going back the Bronx now for 3 straight. The Yankees are great at home and the Rangers struggle on the road.
Have to like where the Yankees are at in this series.
Command wasn’t there. No location of his fastball. Left it up and got killed with the XBH.
A split? Could be worse. Need to pitch better, that’s all.
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m says:
October 16, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I have a question. Was Lewis getting a ton of calls on the outside to lefties?
The pitch track was sitting right on the right edge of my mom’s tv. They kept calling strike after strike, but it wasn’t showing up in or on the pitchtrax box.
This is the strike zone plot from the game. The HP umpiring has truly been atrocious this postseason.
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“Have to like where the Yankees are at in this series.”
Absolutely.
I have a feeling that Eck is in the mens room having a good cry of relief for himself. He doesn’t want to look like the sissy he is in front of his compatriots. If you saw his face after last nights game, he looked like he was struck by a meteor.
5 game Series now with 3 games in NY and 2 games in Texas.
Would have been nice to get another win today but they got the split and stole home field advantage.
# JobaTipsHisCap October 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
m October 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I have a question. Was Lewis getting a ton of calls on the outside to lefties?
yes, absolutely.
I am surprised Joe didn’t yell from dugout.
hughes will come back strong in his next start.
Now we have a short series with Lee going twice.
Except now we have CC only once, or twice on 3 days rest, also with AJ making a start unless Andy and Phil also both go on 3 days rest…
So I don’t accept that a split was good, because one of the games was not their ace.
Advantage Rangers. The Yankees have their work cut out for them.
When Michael Kay, in the post game, said the series was over and the Rangers are done. I could not believe he said that. He should be fired simply because he is beyond stupid.
Wow you are stupid. Do you even know what a figure of speech is?
If Gardner walked at the same rate as say… Derek Jeter, his OBP would have been .300 in the 2nd half.
His high walk rate kept his OBP high, not his propensity to get base hits. I’d rather have a more balanced approach than a narrow one in which he contributes nothing if his one weapon is taken away from him.
Swisher is a more dangerous hitter this year even with a lower OBP than last year. It’s not rocket science, if you stand there and wait for walks at the expense of batting average, you are simply not as dangerous a hitter.
Joba,
Thanks.
LGY,
That’s atrocious. Is the left part of the chart the RH batters box?
I see a 12:2 ratio of gift calls for the Rangers.
Hughes & CC both pitch better next time out.
kind of hope Jorge retires
Perhaps rust again. Hughes has been iffy as well on long layoffs.
I think the Yankees are being underrated at home against Lee with Pettitte on the mound. It’s not in the bag for the Rangers. However at this point, you might want to start thinking about 3 days rest.
3 very loud outs for Lincecum. But very few pitches thrown.
Mr.Teixeira:
Please wake-up.
Yankees calling.
Say they need you to remember how to contribute offensively.
Thank you.
“Hughes & CC both pitch better next time out.”
No question.
Oh yeah.
GO GIANTS!!!!!
the catcher needs to retire
I was hoping Tex and Alex would have some offensive muscle memory in Texas.
If a pitcher throws strike 1 to Gardner, his OBP drops to .310 with a .625 OPS. After 0-1 counts, Thames has a .321 OBP with a .792 OPS.
You can twist the stats any way you want, but it’s pretty clear to anyone using their head and not just numbers that Thames was the better matchup in that situation, in which working the count was more of an empty victory compared to getting runs home.
The problem is though, Gardner cannot leverage the advantage hitting wise of a 1-0 count because he can’t hit the ball period. So he only benefits from getting ahead in the count if the pitcher ultimately walks him.
And also, if Thames got ahead in a count just like Gardner did, and the pitcher had to throw his 86 mph fastball, he may have been able to hit a home run or other extra base hit. It was a no brainer.
zero clutch hits. berkman and cano the only offensive guys to do anything.
texiera could not hit a offspeed pitch if he knew it was coming and where. arod has 1 hit and that’s it.
offense is not doing much. swisher is another clown at the plate. he and jorge swing when they should take and take when they should swing..
jorge with some steller D in the first and some really smart plays.
hughes stunk. high and outside to righties low and inside to the lefties… 7 0 and 2 hits, he stunk. no excuses. they stunk..
jorge is a moron. the guy has been playing 16 years and is clueless……
what a defensive stud jorge is………….btw the ump stunk…………..
go Giants!
As much as I disagreed with Pete Abe when he was here, one thing he did was rid the blog of some of the trouble you see going on now.
I hope at some point Chad takes a more active role in policing the blog, before it gets so out of hand, the only people here will be the trolls and naysayers. JMO.
Just pray that Angel Hernandez is not behind the plate on Monday!
Stop with the rust excuses, Hughes was bad today because he did not alter his approach to adjust to the Texas hitters. He threw strikes, he just threw them in predictable locations at one speed and got crushed.
If rust is the problem, this team is screwed because every single starting pitcher is going on extended rest to start this series. You can’t keep making excuses, eventually you have to just get it done, which this team hasn’t been doing from a starting pitching perspective.
Time for a crazy concept here. Not sure if most of you are adult enough to here it, but here it goes.
How about the Yankees man up and get to Cliff Lee for 4 or 5 runs and Andy actually gives us a quality start and the Yankees win at Yankee Stadium nonetheless and go up 2 games to 1 in the series. If you want to be back to back World Champions that is what you do is go right throught the Front Door, not back your way into anything.
I think this team can do it.
LGY – yes, the strike zone was very frustrating. That wasn’t why the Yanks lost, though; Phil’s inability to command his FB was. But, you could see some of the batters shaking their heads after some of those strike calls.
The Yanks needed to get at least one win. They did that. While they lost a chance to take command of this series today, they did accomplish that goal. Texas’ bullpen was better today; it was a lot to ask them to blow two games in a row. All in all, the Yanks have won 4 of 5 playoff games against two division winners. Not too bad.
Going forward, they have to pitch and play well. I don’t think they’ll be nearly as psyched out by Lee as some of the folks here. And I think these games will be affected in large part by the pens. As we have seen so far in the games the Rangers have played against Tampa and NY, the TX pen is a chancy thing.
Day off tomorrow. Just have to pitch and play well, starting on Monday. The only thing certain is that I will not get a chance to see the Yanks clinch on Tuesday. Oh, well…..
jorge is done…..
Unknown – flippin’ PERFECT.
Joe,
Yep. The fastball just wasn’t there for Phil today.
Not going to pitch well without commanding the heater.
here s a vote for Victor Martinez ……the guy can hit and is he as bad on D as Jorge?…..plus CC likes the guy
# m October 16th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Hughes & CC both pitch better next time out.
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If we want to win, absolutely… Can’t ask the team to rally from 5 runs down every night
They can hit Lee, and they have in the past, but not if the pitching puts them in another 5 run hole and he can pound the zone early in the count.
Cliff Lee is not unbeatable, but if the Yankees keep playing sloppy baseball it doesn’t matter what pitchers they are facing because it’s going to be tough to make up for it. Last night’s game was a miracle comeback, that’s not likely going to happen every night if they can’t get it done on their own terms.
Big AL – couldn’t agree with you more.
I don’t know how anyone can complain about TBS crew. They are the dream team compared to the crew on Fox. I actually don’t mind Buck. But McCarver is bad enough for both of them.
Tex needs to start contributing offensively. He’s been his usual solid self defensively but if he and Arod don’t start contributing the Yankees are in trouble. They need guys on base for Cano.
Good luck in the World Series against the Phillies, Cliffie .
Just don’t hurt yourself .
Frustrating, but there it is. Starting pitching and above all offense needs to score early and often. But good starting pitching will then make it possible for the offense to be sufficient. After all, usually in postseason you don’t expect to score that many runs since the pitching is better overall. But your starters have to give you a chance.
Trisha –
bringing over my last comment before I go.
“well said. On to game 3. I will be there, yelling to lose my voice. I hope the rest of the stadium shows Cliff Lee how much it sucks to be on the other side, and get our support next year.
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Ron Darling actually grew up in Mass and was a Sox fan growing up
He’s an excellent broadcaster though
UnKnown -
I’m with you, and I’m ready to ride that train.
Smotz did a great job
We need to show Texas that Yankee Stadium is nowhere you want to be an opponent.
Best fans in baseball reside there!
I’d love to know whos home plate ump Monday. I wonder if there is a listing by game anywhere.
Jorge will be 40 next AUG …let it go
Cano has been a beast.
Lol, Rollins just got rung up on strike 2. It was a beauty of a pitch.
Tex should just not swing with two strikes. Everything is down in the dirt with two strikes.
Jorge…can’t catch, throw and his brain has left him
brian – and my response.
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I think you are going to have a ton of company losing their voices at the Stadium. Can’t wait to get these games there.
Have an awesome time. That game is ours!!!
ANALYSIS: Hughes didn’t have it from the start. Girardi’s decision to switch his rotation was a failure. If the Yankees had gone with Pettitte in Texas, maybe they win this game and, even if Hughes had lost to Lee, in Game 3, they would be in better shape.
Now, Pettitte must match Lee pitch-for-pitch. Girardi had some good data behind his decision to start Hughes in Game 2 — Hughes had been great in this ballpark — but it backfired. It could come back to hurt the Yankees big time.
COMING ATTRACTIONS: Keep checking back here, because we at ESPNNewYork.com have a lot planned. Ian O’Connor is going to write that it is time to panic. Wallace Matthews thinks Girardi has a big decision to make about who starts Game 4. And I’ll be looking to Game 3, asking if Pettitte can finally give the Yankees a good starting pitching performance against Lee.
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Darling was born in Hawaii. So he had good roots even though he grew up in Mass.
Unknown – not a crazy idea at all. Baseball is a funny game. Just like it’s possible that the Halladay-Lincecum match up turns into a HR contest, it’s very possible that they beat Lee. You’re right, if you want to be back-to-back champs, you have to win tough ones. Monday night will be a tough one.
joeman – Posada has one more year on his contract. I would be surprised to see him walk away from that. I think he’s going to wind up catching a quarter of the games next year, and spending a lot of time at DH. But, I’ve also fantasized about the Yanks snatching up VMart, and having him split time at C and DH with Jorge, until Montero steps up. Man, would that tick off Boston. Ultimately, I think it all depends on how Cash and the Yanks see their team constructed over the next few years. But, man, that would tick off Boston.
I don’t see why people are saying it was a bad idea to start Hughes in Texas rather than at home(I know I shouldn’t read the banter of media but they just aren’t logical) he is just as susceptible to have a bad outing at home as he is on the road. I don’t see why flip flopping him and andy was a big deal, if people were worried about Phil pitching then I’d like to know who they would rather have pitching? He has to go out there regardless of whether he might throw a stinker, same as how we have to have Posada as catcher. Looking forward to Mondays game.
Ruby, go frag a mushroom with Felix, you dipsh*t.
I like the idea of Andy pitching against Lee rather than Hughes pitching against Lee.
trisha -
Whoever is behind the plate should not matter. It’s up to each pitcher to adjust to the zone set by the HP ump.
Some umps are better than others, but, when a team or their fans fall back on that crutch to explain a loss or poor showing, then you concede defeat, because you don’t want to be accountable for your actions on the field.
If we play to our protential, we will win and move on to the WS.
My faith lies in the team to get the job done, therefore, I don’t care who’s behind the plate, except Joe West that is, lol.
the yanks will need 3 catchers on the roster next year for sure. posada and montero both dh and catch about equal amounts. cervellis play also.
all because of a 4 year deal by loudmoth hank because he was scared(foolishly) that jorge would go to the mets!!!!!!!
hank(the fat one)also signed arod for 10 years because he was scared who would sign him??
thank g-d the smart steinny runs the show now. the blowhard is a buffoon…………
jorge 39, mo 40, pettitte 38, jeter 36, those are scary numbers……..SCARY….
potential …….. not protential
I really hope the Stadium is rocking for game 3. I was a little disappointed with the noise level game 3 vs. Minny. It sounded like the quietest stadium of all the playoff teams. The Bleacher Creatures were great but those stupid fans in the Legends Seats sit there on their Blackberrys all game and don’t stand for anything. I want that place rocking. Let’s show these idiot Rangers fans who don’t know anything about baseball.
good news is the pen has been good even though logan should not walk leftiesever.
all the guys got in so the rust should be going away.
also cano looks great……granderson looks fair, most of the high priced guys need to pick it up…………….
Big Al, Hernandez definitely has a hair across his backside when it comes to the Yankees. I’d feel better if he wasn’t in the series at all. He’s the only one I worry about in that crew.
# Joe from Long Island October 16th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Unknown – not a crazy idea at all. Baseball is a funny game. Just like it’s possible that the Halladay-Lincecum match up turns into a HR contest, it’s very possible that they beat Lee. You’re right, if you want to be back-to-back champs, you have to win tough ones. Monday night will be a tough one.
joeman – Posada has one more year on his contract. I would be surprised to see him walk away from that. I think he’s going to wind up catching a quarter of the games next year, and spending a lot of time at DH. But, I’ve also fantasized about the Yanks snatching up VMart, and having him split time at C and DH with Jorge, until Montero steps up. Man, would that tick off Boston. Ultimately, I think it all depends on how Cash and the Yanks see their team constructed over the next few years. But, man, that would tick off Boston.
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I’m thinking that they might go this way with V-Mart if possible…
So, the Phillies-Giants game is on FOX. That’s nice. Cablevision is in negotiations with FOX, and has decided to PULL THE PLUG until they have the contract that they want. So much for watching Doc-Lincecum.
I wonder if this will spill over in Sunday, wiping out the NFL, also.
I can’t stand Cablevision.
trisha -
Yes i agree, but we have no choice, so we learn to live with it. And you take him out of the equation by playing your best ball, and not allowing anything he says or does, be a difference maker.
out of the core 4 the least one I’m worried about is Jeter…….jorge is just about done, Andy I say will retire and Mo…he will let them know in advance when he’s done so they can cover their a??
Tyler,
Unfortunately, the new YS isn’t anywhere close to the old one in terms of crowd noise and atmosphere. Don’t know how much it will change. I remember when YS used to rock like Philly does now.
I was shocked that Hughes was left in so long.
Man, is Kay an idiot.
not nice weather Tuesday and Wednesday
Joe from Long Island October 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
So, the Phillies-Giants game is on FOX. That’s nice. Cablevision is in negotiations with FOX, and has decided to PULL THE PLUG until they have the contract that they want. So much for watching Doc-Lincecum.
I wonder if this will spill over in Sunday, wiping out the NFL, also.
I can’t stand Cablevision.
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The Dolan’s are moron’s, they will not beat FOX. What every Cablevision customer needs to do is withhold 50% of their monthly payments until the issue is resolved. They may get their money in the end, but mean time you hit them where it hurts, the pocketbook.
“Hernández has been involved in a number of high-profile incidents with players and even fans. On August 7, 2001, he ejected a guest singer of “Take Me Out to the Ball Game” at Wrigley Field. The ejectee was former Chicago Bears player Steve McMichael, who had taken a shot at Hernandez’s umpiring after being introduced as the guest singer.[2]
On July 17, 2006, Hernández ejected Dodgers’ first base coach Mariano Duncan while umpiring third base. When Duncan came out of the dugout to argue the ejection, he tossed his cap onto the ground in anger. Immediately after his peers brought Duncan back into the dugout, Hernández picked up the cap and tossed it to a fan in the stands.[3] The next day Duncan taped his cap onto his head right before delivering the Dodgers’ lineup to the umpires.[4]
Hernández has had multiple confrontations with Baltimore Orioles infielder Julio Lugo. In April 2007, Lugo attempted to call timeout and stepped out of the batter’s box just as the pitcher went into his windup, and Hernández called the resulting pitch a strike. This began an argument between Lugo and Hernández, but did not result in any ejection. On May 27, 2008, Lugo was among multiple Red Sox who asked for a check swing ruling from Hernández, umpiring at third base. Hernández stared at Lugo, Lugo asked why he was looking at him, and Hernández abruptly ejected Lugo from the game. When Boston manager Terry Francona asked why Lugo was thrown out, Hernández ejected him as well. [5]
In a 1999 survey conducted by the Major League Baseball Players Association, Hernández was ranked 31st out of 36 National League umpires.[6] However, later that year Hernández was asked to return for the 2000 season while 13 of his NL colleagues were let go. Given his low ranking, the Philadelphia Inquirer termed the retention of Hernández one of the “surprises” of the 1999 purge.[7]
A 2006 Sports Illustrated poll of Major League players listed Hernandez as the third worst umpire in MLB.[8] “
Cablevision …time for Direct TV
Dolan sucks, Cablevision sucks, but Fox sucks worse.
Rain in NY may enable the rotation choices.
Rather see Terry Tata doing the games
According to NOAA it’s only a 30%-40% chance of rain.
I don’t think AJ is going to start either way.
Joe -
Start a petition. Have all Cablevision customer call 10 times a day if needed, saying if FOX is not available, you want to change your service to basic package only. When they ask why, say because you can’t get FOX, you are switching to DIRECTV. That will scare the living heck out of them. Years ago during a dispute, Cablevision lost a lot of customers to DIRECTV, and found once they change, very few came back.
joeman – realize this is only my own thoughts, I don’t claim any inside information here. But, I seem to recall Cash saying he’d rather have a set DH, rather than a rotation, as some had been proposing (Jeter, Alex, Tex, Jorge), and just resting people who need a blow. If that’s accurate, then I can envision signing VMart to a multiyear deal as doable. You can still play other guys at DH once in a while, but have the bulk of DHing done by Jorge/Martinez.; both switch hitters. You then have no need to rush Montero to NY. And, when Montero is ready for NY fulltime, Jorge’s contract is over, and you have VMart as (mostly) fulltime DH.
Again, just my thoughts. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how Cash wants to construct the team.
I wish Cablevision wasn’t so greedy.
DirecTV is a great product, but you can lose the picture every time there is a storm.
There are no good guys… Cablevision, Dolan, FOX.. they all suck.
Try turning your cable switch off and just try the antenna to see if you can get a strong enough signal.
# Joe from Long Island October 16th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
joeman – realize this is only my own thoughts, I don’t claim any inside information here. But, I seem to recall Cash saying he’d rather have a set DH, rather than a rotation, as some had been proposing (Jeter, Alex, Tex, Jorge), and just resting people who need a blow. If that’s accurate, then I can envision signing VMart to a multiyear deal as doable. You can still play other guys at DH once in a while, but have the bulk of DHing done by Jorge/Martinez.; both switch hitters. You then have no need to rush Montero to NY. And, when Montero is ready for NY fulltime, Jorge’s contract is over, and you have VMart as (mostly) fulltime DH.
Again, just my thoughts. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how Cash wants to construct the team.
I wish Cablevision wasn’t so greedy.
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Bingo on both counts
trisha -
I defer to your logic and info.
As always, you are well prepared with facts to back your statements.
# Rich in NJ October 16th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
DirecTV is a great product, but you can lose the picture every time there is a storm.
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heard they have gotten better
To pin this on Cablevision’s greed is willful blindness.
I really have a hard time watching Jorge catching games…….
joeman -
I like your thinking, especially since he’d be hitting for us vs the Sox. He knows CC real well also.
BIG AL October 16th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
As much as I disagreed with Pete Abe when he was here, one thing he did was rid the blog of some of the trouble you see going on now.
I hope at some point Chad takes a more active role in policing the blog, before it gets so out of hand, the only people here will be the trolls and naysayers. JMO.
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Just curious.
IYHO….
Definitions of :
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naysayers____________
I will be at game 3 and will be loud. hopefully my noise is more cheering for the team rather than cursing posada for being horrible.
I’m going to spend time elsewhere, you all have a great night.
I vote for a bringing V-Mart to the Bronx……32 yrs old and get it ready for JM
Am I the only one who actually wants AJ to keep his start? With no rain I hope they don’t pitch CC on short rest. At this point my money is on AJ delivering a better start than the first two starters did.
# BIG AL October 16th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
I’m going to spend time elsewhere, you all have a great night.
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Where you off to..
after what I saw AJ do in the playoffs last year..I still believe
The conversations on this site centered around Posada reveal a lot about people as both Yankee fans and intelligent fans.
It really weeds out certain posters in a pathetic way.
“heard they have gotten better”
Maybe there are new dishes that have the ability to relay a weaker signal? That’s what it would take.
You can always see access a screen that lets you know how strong your signal is. In nice weather, it might be 100%. When there is an electrical storm it could be near 0%.
I will probably switch from Cablevision to FiOS at some point in the relatively near future, and again, I hate Dolan, but I think Fox bears a lot of responsibility for this.
Angel Hernandez has a real serious attitude problem. I rank him 2nd worst MLB umpire behind Cowboy Joe West.
# LGY October 16th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
The conversations on this site centered around Posada reveal a lot about people as both Yankee fans and intelligent fans.
It really weeds out certain posters in a pathetic way.
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meaning some time you have to cut the cord
CC has had too little work. I don’t think short rest would be a problem right now.
I have had Directtv for years.
Storm interference is a very minor, infrequent occurrence.
One Cable rules them all…
Tiime Warner!
Big Al, sorry, I meant to post that about Hernandez to your attention.
Time Warner had a dispute with Fox as well.
But that points to the problem: There is really very little competition.
There should be a choice of a like five cable providers in every city.
There needs to be more regulation that ensures that.
If AJ pitches well in Game 4, what I might do is bring him back to pitch on short rest in Game 7 in Texas, with CC/Andy going on short rest in Games 5-6.
At this point, you have to ride the hot hand. If AJ shows he can get outs, then turn to him. I think he could mix it up better against this lineup than Hughes can, I don’t know what to make of Hughes after this start. I don’t have any worries about CC… with him it’s just rust.
VMart is leaving his prime.
The money is better spent on someone entering it (ahem – Crawford – ahem)
“meaning some time you have to cut the cord”
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Definitely not what I meant.
I love to sign Crawford and Soria! maybe Dejesus…
Posada and Jeter are similar. They are not what they were, but offense/defense they are still better than most other players at their position.
I can’t wait to post what Bret The Hitman said about Hughes tomorrow morning.
Gonna have to spread the information in case I’m not around next year to call him on it when Hughes is owning.
Carlos Ruiz can absolutely crush a fastball. I have yet to see a fastball that he can’t get top of.
I think he crush off Joba LY.
Feel sorry if you guys are missing this classic match up.
Just an amazing game so far.
# Cashmoney October 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Carlos Ruiz can absolutely crush a fastball. I have yet to see a fastball that he can’t get top of.
I think he crush off Joba LY.
That was Pedro Feliz buddy.
Hey Carl? What’s up?
Not much, Bx, how ’bout you?
Was it? my bad, but I have seen him get on top of Chapman’s fastball and taking Timmy Bong hit’s high heat to RF for a HR in this playoff so far. Very impressive!
Hordes of panicky people seem to be evacuating the blog for some unknown reason. Chad, Without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it’s time for us posters to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?
Ruiz hit a HR off Hughes. Feliz hit one of Joba
“Feel sorry if you guys are missing this classic match up.”
Don’t feel bad… we are enjoying this classic matchup courteous of our Yahoo box score.
I just fist pumped when it flashed “End 4th”, that way, I knew the inning was over and no runs scored.
Cody Ross just went deep again! Go Giants! (they got him for free!)
Cody Ross just took Halladay deep.
For the 2nd time tonight.
GO GIANTS!!!!!
is this ross guy serious right now? wow
Thanks for the updates, everyone. Watching on Gameday because, unfortunately, I have Cablevision. And yes, the Giants are on Fox tomorrow, but if this not resolved, that will be blacked out as well.
Cody Ross is a better player than kearns. Better Def and speed, prolly slightly better bat and younger. Good 4th Ofer on a championship for def.
am I being compromised here
It boggles my mind that people find acceptable and/or enjoy watching pitchers bat.
This is professional baseball. Get a real frickin hitter in the box so I don’t have to watch an automatic out every few innings.
LGY October 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
I can’t wait to post what Bret The Hitman said about Hughes tomorrow morning.
Gonna have to spread the information in case I’m not around next year to call him on it when Hughes is owning.
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That’s nothing…you should see what I’m saying about him on Facebook to my NYY fan friends back home.
LGY, Babe Ruth would have disagreed with you! Anywho, It’s not like they have a choice.
“This is professional baseball. Get a real frickin hitter in the box so I don’t have to watch an automatic out every few innings.”
That’s part of the strategy though. Do I bunt with the pitcher? Do I let him swing? Do I pinch hit for him? Do I let him take 3 strikes down the middle?
Then if a pitcher does get a big hit, everyone on the bench goes nuts.
Halladay K’s Lincecum/ Lincecum K’s Halladay.
Riveting stuff.
# Bx is Burning October 16th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Hey Carl? What’s up?
# Bx is Burning October 16th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Not much, Bx, how ’bout you?
lol
Watching lincecum windup is like watching Hideo Nomo on speed!
That’s part of the strategy though. Do I bunt with the pitcher? Do I let him swing? Do I pinch hit for him? Do I let him take 3 strikes down the middle?
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This isn’t really strategy
lincecum ….is violent when he pitches…he will have major arm problems in the near future
# Jerkface October 16th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
That’s part of the strategy though. Do I bunt with the pitcher? Do I let him swing? Do I pinch hit for him? Do I let him take 3 strikes down the middle?
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This isn’t really strategy
Jerkface I agree.
PeteAbe
Phillies fans are whistling at Lincecum like he’s a woman. Because of the long hair, apparently.
I found a very complimentary picture of Pete Abe
http://www.lohud.com/blogs/profiles/pabraham.jpg
#4time October 16th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
PeteAbe
Phillies fans are whistling at Lincecum like he?s a woman. Because of the long hair, apparently.
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Classiest fans in baseball…..Not.
Roy Halladay is not an ace
4-1 Giants, the flood gate is slightly ajar…
Ted Lilly has agreed to terms of a new deal with the #Dodgers. Physical scheduled for next week
http://twitter.com/dylanoherna.....7588976062
# D-Man October 16th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
If AJ pitches well in Game 4, what I might do is bring him back to pitch on short rest in Game 7 in Texas, with CC/Andy going on short rest in Games 5-6.
At this point, you have to ride the hot hand. If AJ shows he can get outs, then turn to him. I think he could mix it up better against this lineup than Hughes can, I don’t know what to make of Hughes after this start. I don’t have any worries about CC… with him it’s just rust.
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Not a chance. AJ was untouchable in game 2 of the Series last year. Then he pitched again in game 5 (on 3 days rest) and gave up 6 runs in 2+ innings. You absolutely do not pitch him two times in this series, under any circumstances. That’s insanity.
Bottom line, the guy hit people during a simulated game. He’s an absolute wreck right now, and I do not see any conceivable way he helps us any more this year. Call it panic all you want, but the Yankees are facing Lee, and then have to start a guy who’s been patently awful for them the last 2 months, going on WAY too much rest, which may very well have him coming out “too strong”, leading to him being even MORE wild than usual.
The Yankees are in trouble. If you can’t see that…I don’t know what to tell you.
well… halladay looks like he had too much rest also!
Just wow.
This is a great way to be ending the day!
Phillies fans are whistling at Lincecum like he’s a woman. Because of the long hair, apparently.
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Actually I think they’re genuinely attracted to him.
even the best pitchers can be hit…nobody is better than Doc and he’s getting knocked around. Cliff Lee can be beat and the Yankees have done it before.
If the Yanks can win 2 of 3 at home then Hughes will have his shot at redemption in Game 6.
Cash
The players should push for a Dh in the NL in the next CBA
Phillies fans are whistling at Lincecum like he’s a woman. Because of the long hair, apparently.
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Actually I think they’re genuinely attracted to him.
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Also, I wonder when is the last time Pete Abe had a close encounter with the opposite sex.
half serious’d
# Rich in NJ October 16th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Time Warner had a dispute with Fox as well.
But that points to the problem: There is really very little competition.
There should be a choice of a like five cable providers in every city.
There needs to be more regulation that ensures that.
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Multiple cable providers? Don’t hold your breath. These guys like their monopolies. The reason it’s been this way for so long is that when cable came into an area back in the 80s, municipalities did not want multiple sets of wires being strung up on the poles along with your telephone and electric wires. At least, that’s only explanation I’ve come across.
I downgraded my cable package last year so I watch games on the web. Usually through a site that I assume is illegal. Right now, watching the NL game on atdhe.net. Giants just made it 4-1 on a few well hit balls.
I wonder if Philly fans are calling Halladay a bum right now.
The Yankees and Pettitte will beat Lee. Yankees in 5. This one won’t go.back to Texas.
“The Yankees are in trouble. If you can’t see that…I don’t know what to tell you.”
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Dude, you said the same exact thing about the Yankees making the playoffs. You literally said the Yankees are in trouble and won’t make the playoffs. You then said the same thing last night, the Yankees are in trouble and the game is over.
You really need to cut your losses with this “The Yankees are in trouble stuff” at some point.
Pettitte is going to stifle the Rangers at home, and Cliff Lee is going to get taken deep atleast once. Yankees will win. The story line will be something unfair which happens to cliff lee (maybe a missed call going the yankees way), and not the brilliant job the yankees will do in winning a game against an ‘ace’
I heard there is a huge prayer session going on right now where Fox executives are on their knees hoping to avoid a Giants – Texas World Series.
I think the ratings might be lower than Dog The Bounty Hunter reruns.
Did I just hear the stat that Lincecum is 37-0 with 4 runs of support?
If so, that’s ungodly. Although I suppose it speaks to how poor the Giants offense is as well.
LGY, sure, I am sure MLBPAA has pushed that agenda before. The owner probably will fight it tooth to nail on that. Simply because it increases the demand side of market equation.
#JoeMama October 16th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
I wonder if Philly fans are calling Halladay a bum right now.
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Knowing Philly fans (I grew up in the area), you can count on it.
Linecum is ugly as a man, never mind a woman.
Keep in mind that Halladay is getting hit around by a team that scored just 697 runs this season.
The Rangers scored 90 more runs this season than the Gigantes.
LGY, I think that “intellectually dishonest” crack is completely unfair.
You said had Phil had the same FB today that he had last week, he would have been fine – with our without his other pitches. I have never bought the idea, not from ST, not from the first month of the season, that he could get by with 1 or 2 pitches. He needs to mix it up a lot better – yes, he needs to throw his curve and his change. I’m sorry, but I don’t get why this is a problem. How often do you think he’s going to have the kind of FB he had last week? Not very often. He is absolutely going to need more than 1 or 2 pitches if he’s going to be more than a middle of the rotation guy.
Pat Mc in C
I’m not saying it will happen, only that it should. That’s what gov’t is for: to protect the consumer in situations in which the consumer doesn’t possess symmetrical power with corporations. (see Roosevelt, Teddy)
As for the wire issue, blame the USSC. They ruled that cable wires are proprietary, when in fact that are an incident of a license that the government conveys, and a result, they should be regulated in a way that serves the public interest. The corporations that built them can be adequately compensated for their expenditures.
CR9 have you ever sat behind home plate for a game? Or were you banned? (joke)
Looks like Doc is getting slapped around.
blake, I agree. This shows what we all know – that on any given day, any pitcher can be a star or a bum. (Not saying that this is a bum performance by Doc, but you get my point.) The Yanks can win Game 3. Lee may not be the losing pitcher, but they can win.
I agree about the MLBPA and getting the DH into the NL, but I think the owners will fight it tooth and nail. Makes very little sense to me.
Betsy October 16th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
LGY, I think that “intellectually dishonest” crack is completely unfair.
You said had Phil had the same FB today that he had last week, he would have been fine – with our without his other pitches. I have never bought the idea, not from ST, not from the first month of the season, that he could get by with 1 or 2 pitches. He needs to mix it up a lot better – yes, he needs to throw his curve and his change. I’m sorry, but I don’t get why this is a problem. How often do you think he’s going to have the kind of FB he had last week? Not very often. He is absolutely going to need more than 1 or 2 pitches if he’s going to be more than a middle of the rotation guy.
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I agree 100%
“Linecum is ugly as a man, never mind a woman”
Do you want to date him or watch him pitch?
4-3 Giants. Werth just took Timmy Bong hit’s FB on a laser shot to RF!
CR seriously? I was just kidding!
Werth goes yard… now 4-3 Giants.
So much for the pitching duel…
“Do you want to date him or watch him pitch?”
Was that question directed towards CR9?
I do expect Andy to pitch well on Monday. The Rangers are not just Lee and who else? Wilson and Lewis are very good – this is not like the Rangers from the 90′s. I can’t kill the offense; their SP has been brutal.
Rich, agreed………no idea why Joe left Phil in.
Bret, I don’t know if I want you to agree with me, lol, because although I’m very disappointed in Phil, I don’t feel about him the way you do………..
Lincecum at 94 pitches
BloggingBombers
Ian Kinsler: “It’s a five-game series now. We have Cliff Lee to pitch two of them. That doesn’t sound so bad now, does it?”
Cashmoney October 16th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Cody Ross is a better player than kearns. Better Def and speed, prolly slightly better bat and younger. Good 4th Ofer on a championship for def.
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CM, I pined all off season for Ross as I watch him a lot in South Florida. He is an old school player who gets dirty and hits lefties and obviously righties. He would have been a perfect fit and much better than Kearns.
Rich, my comment was an adage to Bronx Jeers comment about the whistling meaning the Phillies fans are attracted to him.
Should’ve quoted Bronx Jeers.
I’m feeling lazy right now.
Seasonal Depression is kicking in.
Betsy,
You know I was not referring to that particular comment.
It was the stuff about his regression, stubbornness, lack of development, and future.
Heck who am I kidding…I was depressed all summer to because my girlfriend dumped me
If Lee wins 2 games they win as he will pitch game 7. My guess is that he pitches one and we win in 5 or 6.
Rich,
I’d like to see it happen too. Thanks for the information. I had thought the wire issue was about avoiding big bundles of wire in plain sight, an aesthetics issue.
Hate waiting till Monday for the next game.
CR9 I think you are awesome I love your passion. Good for you.
Betsy,
You should let me agree with you. Give in to your fears about Phil.
YR, I guess Cash could have knocked on the door with Ross. I like him from afar always. But Marlins only decided to dump him after the deadline as they were in remote contention before that. Giants had the waiver rights due to their poorer records. Oh well…
Betsy,
More particularly you have been saying the same stuff about Hughes all season. Which is fine. That is your opinion and your are certainly entitled to have it.
However, when people have questioned you on it recently especially CB, you have said you were wrong about Phil.
Now, he has one bad game and you revert back to what you have felt/said all season.
I think those apologizes about being so hard on Phil and wrong about him were dishonest given what you said today. I think how you feel about him and is season is obvious and it is completely your right to feel that way.
LGY, I meant everything I said…………it’s the same thing I said to my father tonight.
I don’t care that he got knocked around, I really don’t, but yes – consistently resorting to the FB (or cutter) is concerning to me. I get that he likes his FB, but he needs to start liking some of his other pitches. I said regression because he was making progress at the end of the season and then today he reverted back to his old ways. Yes, I think he’s stubborn…..if you don’t agree, that’s fine, but neither of us will be able to prove it to the others.
He’s got a fine future – I never said he didn’t – but IMO he won’t reach his full potential if he doesn’t develop his other pitches. His FB is good, but it’s not THAT good to the point where he can just get by with that. We kill AJ for being a 2 pitch pitcher……………..don’t we?
Betsy,
I am not trying to prove you wrong in this discussion. That’s what your missing.
How you feel about Phil is very, very clear.
What you have said the past few weeks though has been intellectually dishonest, which is why I said it in the GT.
It’s one thing for Phil to start liking his other pitches.
It’s quite another for him to develop the talent to make them more than just passable secondary pitches.
His change and his curve will never be plus pitches.
And that’s why he’ll never be an ace.
major upset brewing Wiss over Ohio ST 21-10..3rd period
Bret,
Do you know what Greinke’s ERA was this season?
Hughes just got beat.
Joe G was wrong for leaving him out for as long as he did.
Monday we will get the Rangers back.
I don’t think they respect us. We’ll make them Monday.
LGY, my apologies were based on the fact that he was mixing his pitches and showing progress near the end of that season in that regard. I meant everything I said at the time. As I have said, I don’t care that he got knocked around today – it’s just the way he went about it. I am not trashing him, I have concerns. What exactly is so wrong with that? Did I say he sucks? Did I say he’s going to be mediocre? All I said was that he has things to work on if he’s going to reach his potential. If there’s something wrong with that, well then I don’t know what to say. Is the general point we should not be criticizing players?
Whoa. Hughes has regressed? Like how CC regressed?
We know Hughes can pitch on the big stage. He simply did not have it. You don’t regress between starts.
Joe should have had a shorter leash today. But it might not have mattered seeing that we left a tiny village on the bases today.
LGY,
I would trade Hughes for him in a heartbeat the day before yesterday.
LGY, I don’t appreciate being insulted, but I’m not going to insult you back because what’s the point.
I get how you feel about Phil – he’s to be treated differently than all the other players. We criticize Tex, Alex, Jeter (not personally, but in the context of their performances), but Phil is off-limits.
Don’t make it sound like I think he’s crap because he has a lot to work on.
Bret, I’m not going that far…………….at all.
# Bret The Hitman October 16th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
LGY,
I would trade Hughes for him in a heartbeat the day before yesterday.
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is that possible
Betsy,
Do you really want me to go back to the game thread and go over what you said?
It’s pretty easy to be high on Phil when he is rolling at the end of the season. It doesn’t take any insight to be happy with the way he pitched down the stretch and in the ALDS.
Betsy,
I don’t know why you think this is an insult.
I didn’t say anything about you personally.
I said your comments the past few weeks were dishonest.
M, LGY was missing my point…………and so I want to clarify it with you. No, he did not regress just because of his performance. I think he regressed because all he did was throw FB……………late in the season he was mixing his pitches better. The FB he had last week was a rare thing – that’s not going to be him on a regular basis. He needs other pitches. Why can we say that about AJ and not Phil? It’s like anyone having a concern about him must automatically hate him.
This is the last time I’m going to say this because I hate bashing players on the team. It makes me not cool and unpopular with my Internet friends and all that stuff.
Hughes does not have the talent to every develop the change and/or curve into plus pitches. And he KNOWS it, which is why he avoids them.
His out pitch is his FB.
No ace or front end starter relies on 1 pitch as an out pitch.
Hitters have caught on.
Hughes doesn’t adapt and adjust because he HAS NO CHOICE. The other options in his repertoire are just no good enough. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence. it has to do with lack of quality. Phil knows those other pitches aren’t effective.
His a mid-rotation starter which is why trading him for Greinke is really a no brainer.
LGY, to me that’s insulting. I already explained that I genuinely meant what I said. Notice that tonight I never said he crapped the bed, that he couldn’t pitch in big games, that I don’t trust him. ALL I said was that he regressed in terms of being a complete pitcher – that’s all.
Look at the Giants hitting Doc – gives one hope for our Yanks!!! Go Andy!
my team hammers the Devils
Carl has the right attitude.
Like the great Hallyday can be beat, so can Lee.
# LGY October 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
“The Yankees are in trouble. If you can’t see that…I don’t know what to tell you.”
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Dude, you said the same exact thing about the Yankees making the playoffs. You literally said the Yankees are in trouble and won’t make the playoffs. You then said the same thing last night, the Yankees are in trouble and the game is over.
You really need to cut your losses with this “The Yankees are in trouble stuff” at some point.
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They WERE in danger, at one point, of missing the playoffs. One can’t deny that this team “backed in to the playoffs”, so to speak. They had an absolutely putrid September, and, by looking at the way they played, and their record for the month, it was not inconceivable that they would’ve missed.
As for last night…Anyone who says they watched this team, down 5 runs going in to the 7th with the way Wilson was pitching, and the way the offense was performing, and then said, “Pffft…no biggie. They can score 6 runs LIKE THAT”, is lying. The rally last night was totally improbable. I loved watching it, and even admitted in the game post that I was wrong. But you cannot do that every game and expect to win. They came out today, and what happened? An even worse performance from a starter, and the offense never woke up. An absolute repeat of last night, save Texas’ pen imploding.
The Yankees ARE in trouble. Does that mean that they won’t climb out of it? Not at all. They did it against all odds last night. But it also doesn’t inspire much faith to watch them come out against a guy with an ERA around 4, who spent the last two years not even in the Majors, and get routed 7-2, knowing that the next two games, they have to face a guy who’s owned them repeatedly, has been nothing short of fantastic this post season, and then follow it up with a guy who’s been unwatchable for the better part of the season, and can’t even find the zone in a simulated game.
I’m not trying to be combative, I promise…but can you honestly tell me HOW you can spin that in to, “The Yankees are absolutely fine, just because they split on the road”? That is not a snide question, I am honestly asking for your take on this.
“ALL I said was that he regressed in terms of being a complete pitcher – that’s all.”
Regression probably an unfair word. He just had a bad day and the Rangers were swinging the bats well. Not sure why he seemed to lack confidence in his secondary stuff, but I don’t think it means regression or even that’ll be what we can expect his next time out.
LGY, we’ve been going through exactly what I said in the game thread…………..
You have avoided the main issue and instead are resorting to insults. Look, we disagree and that’s the way it is; it doesn’t make you right and me wrong. If I’m understanding you correctly, Phil does not need to bother with his secondary pitches because his FB is good enough when it’s on. That’s essentially what you said. I disagreed in ST, in April and now- I have been consistent with that. He has the makings to be a fine pitcher, but the FB is not enough………… If you want to think I’m being overly harsh on him by saying that, then fine.
When pitchers can’t locate their fastball, they keep throwing it, why? Because sometimes they start locating their fastball.
I did watch some early action and I do think the fugly strike zone got to Hughes.
I do not think that is why his pitches kept leaking over the plate nor why he was leaving his pitches up in the zone. I did see him use his curveball, at times quite effectively. I saw some breaking pitches over the plate for strikes. I’m sure he used his cutter as well.
He got knocked around. But it was lack of execution IMO.
CR9, just my 2 cents for whatever it’s worth.
Umpires’ calls on balls and strikes, whether right or wrong, are no more avoidable than the chalk of the foul lines (albeit the latter is a lot more defined). If a cleanly hit line drive lands two inches foul in a critical situation, there’s nothing to do but for the hitter to go back to the batter’s box and try again. Same with a strike call that appears off the plate. These guys are never, ever going to change the call.
Umpires are human, and yes, if you show them up, the strike zone suddenly becomes a little larger. But by and large, when a pitch is called a strike, it was too close to take, especially with two strikes. At least that’s the way I look at it.
We can hope that at least they call the strike zone the same for both teams, but sometimes they don’t. At that point, all a manager can do is get himself thrown out of the game for arguing, and it’s not like that’s guaranteed to have the desired results.
Personally, I get much more upset when I see one of our guys swing and miss for strike 3 when the pitches is 6 inches outside the strike zone.
I don’t have a problem with your take, although I don’t get the level of it.
Just sayin.
I would take this from any Yankee SP in the playoffs
Halladay 7.0 105 8 4 0 7
Hughes does not have the talent to every develop the change and/or curve into plus pitches.
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You’re silly!
Betsy,
I don’t want to belabor this point, but that is not all you said and your comments today were a complete U-turn from what you have been saying about Phil the last few weeks.
In hindsight, your comments were actually right in line with what you have been saying all season. Phil started mixing his pitches and you were finally then happy with him, which is you have been asking for and criticizing him for all the season.
The problem is that you apologized for being so critical and said you were wrong about him. You never really meant that though.
What you meant is that you were right about Phil all year and now that he was mixing his pitches he was finally meeting your criticisms.
You never thought you were wrong about Phil or too critical. He just temporarily erased those criticisms. Until today.
Mell, he had a bad day throwing basically one pitch. I have already said I don’t care that he had a bad day – that’s not what concerns me. When I say concern, it’s not like I’m saying he’s going to be trash. However, IMO, he needs secondary pitches (good ones) if he’s going to be a front of the rotation pitcher. If he doesn’t develop them, he’ll be a solid pitcher………….that’s all.
I have no idea what is so wrong with what I said,.
CR9 I don’t want to get into the umpiring again, I totally disagree with you, and you know that. I do not think the Yankees are the recipients of any more bad calls than any other team.
I was just commenting that I like your passion and commitment to what you believe in and think you’re a terrific asset to this blog.
ChokeXOnXFailure-
Confidence? – We’re the Yankees, and we’re 4-1 in the playoffs. Coming home for 3…
…and, btw, what’s the motivation behind your handle?
Betsy,
I have said maybe 6 times now I am not talking about my or your opinion on Phil. Simply, your comments about apologizing and being more critical. I am not personally insulting you. I have said that twice now also.
I really do not know how to make that more clear.
I am not talking about how I feel about Phil and I don’t care at all if you have a different opinion on him. I have absolutely NO problem with you having you opinion on Phil. That is not the discussion.
LGY, don’t tell me what I meant or didn’t mean; I don’t like it when people try to speak for me.
I was happy when he started mixing his pitches. Why don’t you go back to ST and early in the season when I repeatedly said that he couldn’t survive on just his FB? I have been extremely consistent in that regard. I never apologized for being wrong on him needing secondary pitches; I apologized because he stepped up against the Sox when I wasn’t sure he would.
You’re so stuck on what I apparently feel about Phil that you haven’t given a good reason why you think Phil can be a 1 pitch pitcher.
“However, IMO, he needs secondary pitches (good ones) if he’s going to be a front of the rotation pitcher”
Every starting pitcher does and Hughes has demonstrated, and done so in more than just occasional flashes, that he has them. Not sure why he didn’t today, but every young pitcher has days like these. Ain’t the end of the world. He’ll be back.
Hughes reminds me of the version of Moose just before he realized that he had to go to his breaking pitches because his fastball wasn’t fooling anyone…only…Hughes doesn’t have Moose’s secondary stuff.
I wish I would just shut up about Hughes already.
It’s pizzing me off.
when does Mark Teixeira wake up
“Hughes does not have the talent to every develop the change and/or curve into plus pitches. And he KNOWS it, which is why he avoids them.”
This is why it’s hard to believe Yankee fans when they say they want the team to develop more home-grown pitching – no patience for the ups and downs on the way to success. No tolerance for anything less than a straight line to Lincecum-like greatness in as little time as possible.
Hughes got nothing on the inner part of the plate early in that game today. He didn’t pitch well regardless but the ump took that half of the plate away from him in the first inning so he had no choice but to pitch out over the plate. He didn’t execute pitches and the Yankees didn’t hit (besides Cano) anyway.
They lost…its a 5 game series now in which they have home field advantage….that’s all it is. Hughes isn’t a worse pitcher than he was when he dominated the Twins. It was his first playoff start on the road…he will be fine and I won’t be shocked if he gets another shot in Game 6 if things don’t turn out differently.
OK CR9. Have a good evening!
Just as Barry Zito, an awfully talented pitcher at one point, never had the talent to develop the fastball into a plus pitch.
It’s not his skillset.
It’s not an inability to learn talent it’s a failure to possess it.
lil m,
I’m perfectly patient.
Been a bagholder of a stock for 4 years now.
I’m not selling for another 20.
Betsy,
Your opinion on Hughes could not be more clear to the board this season. What you have said the past few weeks is clear as well.
I’ll leave it at that and move on.
The absolute last thing I want to do is get into another discussion about Phil Hughes’ year and this discussion was never about that.
ChokeXOnXFailure October 16th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
They WERE in danger, at one point, of missing the playoffs. One can’t deny that this team “backed in to the playoffs”, so to speak. They had an absolutely putrid September, and, by looking at the way they played, and their record for the month, it was not inconceivable that they would’ve missed.
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COF, you’re entitled opinions that are really out there, but your statement above is absurd.
The Yankees made the playoffs by a comfortable six games over Boston. That was in spite of finishing the season 9-17. Putrid record, yes. But Girardi clearly chose not to burn out his veteran players in order to finish first. And so far, they are 4-1 in the post season, so his decision is looking good so far.
For your statement to have had ANY shred of truth, the Yankees would have had to finish the season 2-24. That is a mathematical fact. They could have played nothing but their Triple A players and done better than that.
Ryan Howard.
He’s another one who needs to develop some secondary skills.
Bret, at one time Phil had a pretty nasty curve and he’s shown the ability to throw the change. He did lose 2 years there and spent another in the pen. I doubt he lacks the ability to throw those pitches; he may just love his FB too much.
It’s hard to believe those that rail against Hughes. Sure he was off today, but that happens.
- He is a 24 year old pitcher with a great arm who throws 94.
- He is a number five starter in our rotation that went 18-8 with a 4.19 and he allowed less hits than innings pitched.
- He has a nasty curve ball and a developing change up that will only get better as time goes on.
- To me, he is a huge success story and untradeable. Remember those that wanted to trade a young and raw Robinson Cano a few years ago?
LGY, that’s fine to move on because not only are we not on the same page, we aren’t even in the same book. You’re talking one thing and I’m talking another and never the twain shall meet.
# Bx is Burning October 16th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
ChokeXOnXFailure-
Confidence? – We’re the Yankees, and we’re 4-1 in the playoffs. Coming home for 3…
…and, btw, what’s the motivation behind your handle?
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We’ve also been the Yankees every year since 2000, and outside of last year, that got us nothing. I’m looking at the here and now, and I just don’t see a team that’s going to necessarily come out of this on top. I thought from the beginning that we couldn’t squander our chances against their starters not named Cliff Lee, and today, we did. There is no reason for us to have only scored 2 runs off of Lewis. And Hughes was awful. That is not an indictment of him as a pitcher, just his performance today, which was upsetting, because I absolutely agreed with Girardi’s decision to pitch him today. Either way, I can’t just look at this as “We’re the Yankees”. I have absolutely no confidence in AJ. I won’t argue with people who do, because that’s how AJ’s career has been: Half great, half awful, meaning some will choose to believe the awful is the norm, while others see the awesome and believe he can bring it out whenever it’s necessary. This season, he’s given me no reason to believe that he’s going to be the former in game four, but I won’t deny that he could be. I really thought we needed to go up 2-0 in this Series to win it, and we didn’t. I don’t think we lose the remainder of this series, but I wouldn’t be shocked with Texas in 6.
My handle is an amalgamation of two of my favorite songs by a band called Lagwagon, “Choke” and “Failure”. It’s been my online handle for the better part of a decade now, haha.
West Coast, I don’t want to trade Phil nor am I railing against him. All I said was that he has to mix his pitches better instead of relying on his FB.
Is that beard either dyed or fake? (Wilson that is)
Is that beard either dyed or fake? (Wilson that is)
Does Werth have a lot of speed or something? They keep talking about him stealing?
Two trends need to change ASAP if the Yanks are to have a chance to advance: 1) The starting pitching needs to at least match Texas’ efficacy; 2) Tex and A-Rod need to wake the heck up.
I actually like Werth. I don’t want him to go to the Sox because I like him
If the Yankees were to sign an OF and I don’t think they will or should, I would sign Werth over Crawford.
I thought Billy Mays died this year but here he is alive and well and closing for the Giants!
http://www.reviewstl.com/wp-co.....-death.jpg
Jimmy Rollins has to be one of the most overrated players in baseball.
I can’t make statements about Phil’s present or future based on today’s outing. Not only would it be unfair, it would be ignorant as well.
And what’s the deal with worrying about Phil’s prospect of being a number 1 pitcher?
It’s also absurd to rehash the Yankees’ September record because they lost today.
First they sweep the Twins, then they take the opener of the LCS on the other team’s turf in spectacular fashion, but when they finally lose one, they’re suddenly back to playing like they were in September?
That’s just ludicrous.
The Rangers are a good team. They won their division. And they won today. They deserve the credit, stupid antler thing and all.
CR9,
Nothing in particular. Just like the way he plays and that he is a solid all around player. His HR are fun to watch too. He hits some blasts.
Betsy October 16th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
West Coast, I don’t want to trade Phil nor am I railing against him. All I said was that he has to mix his pitches better instead of relying on his FB.
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I wasn’t directing that at you at all, Hughes pitched today and there was lots of commentary here about him. Hughes and Eiland know what he has to do to be successful. It’s the same things any pitcher has to do. Command your fastball, get ahead in the count, be able to throw your breaking pitch for strikes, change the hitters eye line and keep them off balance with a good change out of the zone.
Doing it is not so easy.
I have check Wilson’s BB rate, but he makes it an adventure seemingly every time I have seen him.
*have not check
# AldotheApache October 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
ChokeXOnXFailure October 16th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
They WERE in danger, at one point, of missing the playoffs. One can’t deny that this team “backed in to the playoffs”, so to speak. They had an absolutely putrid September, and, by looking at the way they played, and their record for the month, it was not inconceivable that they would’ve missed.
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COF, you’re entitled opinions that are really out there, but your statement above is absurd.
The Yankees made the playoffs by a comfortable six games over Boston. That was in spite of finishing the season 9-17. Putrid record, yes. But Girardi clearly chose not to burn out his veteran players in order to finish first. And so far, they are 4-1 in the post season, so his decision is looking good so far.
For your statement to have had ANY shred of truth, the Yankees would have had to finish the season 2-24. That is a mathematical fact. They could have played nothing but their Triple A players and done better than that.
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At one point down the stretch, we’d gone 2-8, and had series left with Boston (who’d, at that point, won 4 in a row) and Tampa. We were losing series against teams we should’ve beaten left and right. It was not out of the realm of possibility that they would’ve continued to play the wretched brand of baseball that we’d seen for the last month.
Improbable? Maybe. But so was losing 4 straight games in 2004. I’m just saying. The team was in a freefall while playing their best lineups. I’m certainly glad it DIDN’T happen that way, but for a while, it looked like they absolutely could not get out of their own way. I’ve seen much stranger things happen. I’m sure Mets fans a couple years ago thought there was no way they’d blow THEIR lead in a month…until they did.
CR, he must be a good player to make you even hate him in the first place. Werth, that is.
I think Petitte will be up to the task Monday. Lets see if Lee looks as dominating in the a loud Yankee Stadium.
CR9,
I don’t think the back end of the contract will work out too well with Werth (depending on how long he gets), but in the short term I can see that dude doing some damage with the Green Monster right there.
# LGY October 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Jimmy Rollins has to be one of the most overrated players in baseball.
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You are absolutely correct. It baffles me that year in and year out, people say he’s having “an off year”. Uh, when you have an “off year” every year, that’s…not an off year. The guy has been terrible for 3 straight seasons. I wish people would stop talking about him like he’s a difference-maker for that team. As far as I can tell, they win DESPITE Jimmy Rollins.
WC, got it.
As for Wilson…if the beard looks weird, it’s dyed.
Lidge is terrible tonight. Giants not biting.
Sweet, a lidge implosion in progress! Go Giants!
Choke-
Never heard of Lagwagon. What’s the style of music?
…and while I agree that AJ is the ultimate ? mark, and that it would have been awesome to win 2 on the road, going home tied ain’t so bad, right? We’ll see what happens with Andy on the hill and take it from there. (I mean, look at the Phils and their no-hit specialist tonight.)
Why is Sanchez starting tomorrow over Cain?
Even the pom-pom wavers have to be concerned with the Yankee starting pitching. Texas has a strong offense, but they’re no juggernaut. And, if the Yankees somehow advance, they’ll face an NL team with a clearly superior starting staff. Spin it as you choose.
COF, if you want to believe it was possible for the Yankees to finish the season with a record of 2-24 so that you can validate your opinion, be my guest.
I prefer to keep it real, though, at least to the extent that my lifelong passion for the Yankees allows me.
LGY, I think it’s because Sanchez is a lefty and has better numbers on the road vs Cain. Also, I think he has been lights out lately.
Next year if the Yanks sweep or win the 1st round in 4 games they have to set up 2 or 3 games for the team to play inbetween. 5 days off is a long time and it shows in their play. Every hitter besides Cano lost their timing and CC definitely should of threw between starts. I know Tex will use his usual bs excuse of he lost his timing so I don’t expect much from him but they have to get Arod going.
Hi,
I fell asleep at the end of the game. Good nap, but I assume things weren’t too pleasant here. Am I correct?
“but in the short term I can see that dude doing some damage with the Green Monster right there”
Werth’s not really a pull hitter. Lot more hits and homers up the middle and the other way than to straight left. His bat would actually play quite well in Yankee Stadium.
“Why is Sanchez starting tomorrow over Cain?”
Apparently, Cain has terrible numbers in Philly, didn’t pitch well against them this year… whereas Sanchez has done well against them in his career and dominated them this year. Also, a lefty to neutralize them at home.
Thanks Cash and BX
LGY, I agree with you on Werth. I’d prefer him in pinstripes over Crawford. His righty power bat would fit nicely. The only thing that concerns me is his K total on a team that already has 3-4 guys who strike out 100+ times a season.
Cain – 6.23 ERA career vs. PHI
Sanchez – 2.88 ERA career vs. PHI
But as we saw today…. career numbers against a certain team mean nothing lol
CR9 — You are more of a loon than we think if you believe the umps were to blame for CC’s and Hughes’ struggles. The flat-out truth is both were awful.
I wonder if we can find El Duque to help out in Game 4. That guy was Straight Cash for the Yankees in the Postseason
Speaking of lifelong passions, I’m rooting for the Giants. They were my dad’s lifelong team and I know he’s stil rooting for them from heaven.
I would love to see a Yankees – Giants World Series. Tim Lincecum in Yankee Stadium would be cool. Especially when they beat him (Tex will be helpless against his change up, though).
O/T
Watch this guy BEAT BOX on YouTube.
He’s INCREDIBLE.
Trust me, it’s worth 2 minutes of your time.
Would I steer you wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHKhibzWlM
Instead of always pitching around Hamilton I think the Yanks have to start making better pitches to Cruz. Or with 1st base open pitch around him. The Rangers absolutely kill fastballs so I knew if Hughes didn’t have his A+ fastball he would get tattooed. They have to start mixing up their pitches and hit spots with their fastballs.
“would I steer you wrong?”
That could have been the game right there.
Anybody remember The Fat Boys?
3.99$ for all you can eat we’re going to stuff our face to the funky beat!
Get this Flying Hawaiian piece of trash. Cmon Wilson you human gas can.
You cant learn to throw a plus fastball. You can learn to throw a plus offspeed pitch. Hughes possesses an unlearnable talent, and has in the past shown proficiency with the latter.
NM. I thought there were two men on base.
Phillies are done
Couldn’t be happier to see the smug Phils and their white-towel loser fans go down in ignominy!
These closers and their celebrations kill me. I love the way Mo does it.
Let’s go flying Hawaiin… let’s put one in the seats
The Yankees leave Texas 1-1 in the best of 7 series.
Believe it or not, this is the first time in 46 YEARS(!) that this has happened.
The last time the Yankees started a best of 7 playoff series on the road and split the first two games was against the Cardinals in the 1964 World Series.
LOL Phillies
Phillies down 1-0
Who would have thought?
this is how you beat ace pitcher.
of course your starting pitcher has to pitch well.
Bret The Hitman October 16th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
O/T
Watch this guy BEAT BOX on YouTube.
He’s INCREDIBLE.
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Sounds like there are more than one in that big body of his. Amazing.
And the Phillies go down. Wait, how could that be? Didn’t Halladay start?
Halladay is not an ace.
Giants win!!! Love it!
If Roy can be beaten, so can Cliff.
Who would have thought?
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Me!
so, no fear to Lee.
It’s really unbelievable how overhyped the Phillies rotation were going into the postseason, versus the Giants who had the unbelievable September. This is an upset, but not a surprising one.
More HUMAN BEAT BOX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
“If Roy can be beaten, so can Cliff.”
Oh yeah!!!
Giants just beat Halliday.
So why can’t the Yankees beat Lee?
Game 3 is NOT a given if Pettitte keeps it close.
“There goes that series. Only way we win is if it goes 7. That will not happen.”
From a Philly fan.
Yankee fans and Philly fans are like brothers.
Giants/Texas world series.
Lawd help us.
A righteous man before me stands. A hero in these filthy lands. A brother in arms in heart are you. I was really hoping you get it too
Aldo,
I’m not really sure where you’re getting your math. On September 15, with 16 games to go, they had a 6 game lead on Boston. If Boston (who’d just gotten hot, and had 6 games remaining against us) had finished even 10-6, and we’d finished 4-12 (which didn’t look impossible at that point, as we’d just gone 2-8), they would’ve tied us. I don’t know where this 2-24 nonsense is coming from.
Bx is Burning,
Lagwagon is, for lack of a better term, punk music. They aren’t widely known unless you listen to the genre, in which case, pretty much EVERYONE knows them. They have a bajillion videos up on YouTube if you’re interested in checking them out.
I’ll take Doc over any pitcher in the game
I am not surprised at all.
Say, if Doc starts for Jays, how could you be surprised if Yanks beat them?
I actually agree with RSM. I think the Yankees can beat Lee. But tonight even showed us yankee fans more so that we can! And we got the best playoff pitcher in history on our side in the BIG HOUSE!!!! LETS GO YANKEES
“Giants/Texas world series.
Lawd help us.”
And Lawd help FOX
no, CR9.
Jerkface, perhaps that’s true, but there first has to be a real willingness to go beyond the FB and throw those pitches. He’ll have to work on them during the off-season – and then be willing to throw them.
I’m sorry for my father and all the others in NY who wanted to watch the NLCS but couldn’t……….
I’m not surprised.
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It’s baseball. You just never know.
\John Sterling’d
“Giants/Texas world series.”
On FOX without Cablevision, Time Warner and Dish viewers. That will be good for ratings.
Well, it’s not like Lincecum is garbage………………
The Yankees can beat Lee, but Andy will have to pitch very well……..which I absolutely expect him to.
Phillies offense has done very little in the playoffs.
Lincecum is hoping that there is some good wacky tabacky in Philly tonight.
bring back Rich Garcia & Terry Tata
Watching Wilson just made me realize once more that there is no one like Mo.
I am pretty sure lots of people lose money on this NLCS game.
I worry more about Andy against that RH lineup than I am Lee. We can scratch 2-3 runs off Lee.
After watching what that lineup did to our 2 starters… yikes. He has to have his good command and be able to mix it up. They are a feast or famine offense, but they are currently in feast mode.
As Joe said in his postgame… the offense was basically the 8th inning yesterday, other than that, they have struggled.
The comeback was great yesterday, but it covered up a lot of areas we need to improve to advance.
COF, my 2-24 ‘nonsense’ (for your absurd statement to be true)comes from the following …
Yankees finished 95-67, 6 games ahead of Boston, in spite of finishing the season 9-17.
Simple math – for the Yankees to have finished out of the playoffs, which YOU suggest was possible, they had to have won AT LEAST seven games less … 2-24.
Deal with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIDqbg7OBbg
“Phillies down 1-0
Who would have thought?”
Me
Peace out, Yankee people! The game won’t happen til Monday night , Let’s all take a deep breath. Chill and see what will happen. I am sure we will have enough time to go paralysis by analysis by then.
Go Yanks.
Yankee starting pitchers make me nervous.
No matter what you do you drive me crazy
I’d rather be alone
But then I know my life would be so empty
As soon as you were gone
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS!
I am watching the tape of the TBS postgame comments and that hideous little throw back to the 60s with his stupid 60s doo and mustache, the jealous little jerk Eckersly just made the following statement:
THE YANKEES ARE SCARED RIGHT NOW, I’M TELLING YOU.
Thankfully you hear snickering in the background with someone saying whoa, whoa, whoa, and they cut to Wells, Ripken, and Winer all laughing derisively at what he said.
If anyone watched their postgame last night, Eckersly looked like he had just been hit by a meteor. His face was ashen and he could barely speak.
DISGUSTING JERK.
54 degrees in NY at game time.
I like it.
Chad’s post-game breakdown is certainly taking a long time but then again, who really cares?
Don’t sweat it Chad!
# AldotheApache October 16th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
COF, my 2-24 ‘nonsense’ (for your absurd statement to be true)comes from the following …
Yankees finished 95-67, 6 games ahead of Boston, in spite of finishing the season 9-17.
Simple math – for the Yankees to have finished out of the playoffs, which YOU suggest was possible, they had to have won AT LEAST seven games less … 2-24.
Deal with it.
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That’s…not necessarily true. You’re looking at things with an awful lot of hindsight. Sure, you can say, “Man, if from that point, we’d only one X number of games, that could’ve been bad”, because you know EXACTLY how the games DID turn out.
When you look at things DURING that slide, it’s very different. Boston was getting hot. The Yankees were in a freefall. Boston could’ve won more games, and the Yankees could’ve lost more. When you’re actually IN the season, you don’t KNOW how anything is going to turn out.
Math shows that, from September 16, if we’d finished 4-12, and Boston 10-6, they would’ve tied us. Both teams went 7-9.
You’re talking about a 3 game swing on either side. That’s not that far out of the realm of imagination, especially given how poorly we were playing.
Your math is entirely too broad, and does not at all account for context. Deal with that.
trisha, I missed that. I’m glad I did. I saw his face on the post game from last night. So I believe it.
I don’t get where his anti-Yankees bias comes from.
You know what I think … I think about the infield fly rule. I love that fu–ing rule. It assumes the worst of everybody. It says sorry batter you’re a smuck for poppin’ up with runners on and you stupid ass infielder you don’t get to cheat and drop the ball just because you caught a break. My favorite part, the batter’s out but the runners advance at their own risk. That’s the way life should be, you can be a motherf—-er at your own risk… or not.
“Yankee starting pitchers make me nervous.”
JobaTips, stop for just a minute and think about this. You’ve watched our guys pitch all season and you watched them in the Minny series. Now you are seeing them pitching with more than their regular rest and they had shaky starts. And you saw the offense at least uneven.
Stop and think about everything you’ve heard about and seen when teams have too many days between games. I remember Tex being asked the night the Yankees won the DS if it was a problem having as big a layoff as they had and he said that even though people might not want to believe it, hitters start to lose their edge and their timing can be thrown off by not getting back into games right away.
It’s not unheard of and it’s not uncommon.
When CC and Hughes pitch again, they will be back on schedule, and the hitters will be in a better rhythm. I love the thought of having the next 3 games at the Stadium.
I continue to say that HFA in the first two series actually feels like it belongs to the road team since they get to play the potentially defining games at home!
Yanks will be fine.
“I don’t get where his anti-Yankees bias comes from.”
Aldo, he’s now a Sux analyst on NESN!!!
COF, contrary to the belief of some here and elsewhere, baseball is really a simple game.
You can spin your wheels, if you’d like, with “what if” scenarios for as long as your little heart desires.
But it’s about nothing more than wins and losses. Everything else is dressing.
What’s important is that THE YANKEES (and most of the rest of the free world) knew the Yankees had their playoff berth in hand well before the end of the season.
Knock yourself out with the rest of your assumptions and conclusions.
Trisha, I had no idea of that!!!!! Thanks for telling me.
No surprise then, the weasel!!!
Weasel to the max!
Grr!!!
Aldo,
I find it amusing that you tell me to enjoy my assumptions, while at the same time bandying about the idea of the Yankees KNOWING (or, in other terms, assuming) that they had a playoff spot locked up.
In 2004, THE YANKEES (and most of the rest of the free world) were already planning a World Series in the Bronx. How’d that turn out?
You never…EVER make assumptions in baseball. John Sterling, as obnoxious as it may be, reminds listeners every game that you CANNOT predict baseball.
Bottom line: No one knows for sure. It doesn’t make anyone’s predictions less valid. You can say that you knew from that point that they’d make it, and I can say I had my doubts. No one is “right” or “wrong” from that point. Correctness is only determined when the smoke clears. Did it turn out my doubts were unfounded? Sure. But from THAT POINT, it wasn’t impossible, and to assume as much would’ve been folly. You have to play the games first.
Eckersly looks like one of those guys that always keeps a healthy supply of “Spanish Fly” in his Members Only jacket.
I think we should just skip game 3, just give Cliff Lee 9 innings pitched and 3 hits and the Rangers a 2-0 win…I mean do these media people and sports writers remember us coming back from 6-1 down in Texas in August vs. Cliff Lee or scoring a bunch of runs off of him in game 5 of the World Series…..its like they fail to mention that when they bring up game 1 of the Series last year….I mean Cliff Lee is great but he is not Randy Johnson of 2001, now that was a guy who I knew we couldn’t hit, period….the Rays were no hit 2 times this year and 1 hit like 3 other times so of course Lee dominated them, I think we can get a few runs off him Monday and win game 3….
COF, have it your way, man.
“They backed into the playoffs”
“They were in danger of missing the playoffs”
“They’re still playing like they were in September”
Whatever …
See me after the Yankees win the World Series. Then, AND ONLY THEN, will I continue this discussion.
“Eckersly looks like one of those guys that always keeps a healthy supply of “Spanish Fly” in his Members Only jacket.”
GOOD CALLS!!!
As I predicted, people bringing up September at the first sign of trouble (i.e. loss).
A little Eckersley trivia.
Did you know that the only reason the Indians traded him to the Red Sox was because of the awkward situation created in the Cleveland clubhouse when Eckersley’s wife left him for the centerfielder Rick Manning (who btw is partly responsible for the famous Wisconsin cheesehead thing).
Eckersley was an up and coming 22-year-old starter when they reluctantly traded him. He was a 20-game winner his first season with the Red Sox, then later in his career became a HOF reliever.
LOL, Bronx Jeers.
Eckersley also spent 6 years as a starter in Boston from 1978-1983. IIRC, he was their first major FA signing.
I stand corrected, Aldo. Didn’t know that story about Eck’s wife.
The worst thing about Eck is he’s stuck in the 70′s. His clothes are updated, but the hair & porn stache gotta go.
COF,
Cut your losses man! Gotta do it. You submitted several nominations for dumbest post of the year in September between the Yankees will NOT make the playoffs, they will get dominated in Minnesota, and that you are not even going to waste your time watching the games in the playoffs because they are so bad.
You need a little sunshine in your life my friend because this outlook is not serving you well with your predictions.
Heading out. Later lohudders.
Texas -120 over Yankees Monday
m October 16th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
As I predicted, people bringing up September at the first sign of trouble (i.e. loss).
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Ain’t it the truth, m?
And who WOULDN’T take where they are right now, ie 4-1 in the post season and head to The Stadium for the next 3, regardless of how they played in September.
Is there more than one Pat M?
Where is the post game? I missed most of the game cause I was sleeping and then I came to my sister in laws birthday. No baseball tomorrow but I’m looking forward to monday. And I really think AJ will pitch well, everyone else has pitched a stinker, he can’t do much worse.
BTW, trisha, I have ALWAYS agreed with your take on HFA. In a 2-3-2 format, the home team NEEDS to sweep the first two games. If they only split, then they’re in a position where they HAVE to either (1) take 2 of the next 3 at the other team’s park, or else (2) win 1 of those, then sweep at home.
That’s the position the Rangers are in right now. Anything is possible, of course, but I don’t see that as any sort of advantage for them right now.
m,
yes there is more than one Pat M. I’m a longtime regular reader/lurker, once in a blue moon commenter, and full time Yankee fan.