Yankees workout day
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Brian Heyman here at the Stadium for Chad today. CC Sabathia took his bullpen session for his Game 5 start, but he has said that wouldn’t mean he would be unavailable to work on short rest in Game 4. Joe Girardi, though, said the Yankees’ “rotation is the same.” Meaning A.J. Burnett is still in line for Game 4.
“I know it’s been a tough year for him at times this year, but we believe in A.J.,” Girardi said.
But that doesn’t mean Girardi couldn’t change his mind if the Yankees go down 2-1. He left himself some additional wiggle room when he said, ”I know there’s some weather in the forecast.” There’s a 70 percent chance of some rain on Tuesday, but that doesn’t mean a 100 percent chance of a postponement that would allow them to skip Burnett.
Girardi said he didn’t anticipate making any lineup changes in Game 3. But so much of the workout-day chatter was about the pitching matchup. Cliff Lee and Andy Pettitte threw praise at each other.
“In my opinion, he’s probably the best postseason pitcher of all time just by the number of wins and the number of rings he’s got,” Lee said of Pettitte and his record 19 victories and his five rings. “He definitely knows what he’s doing with the ball.”
“I think what is separating him from any other pitcher right now is really his cutter, how late it is,” Pettitte said of Lee, “I think when maybe people talk about him, (they say) he doesn’t have dominating stuff. People will say whatever. That cutter has to be pretty dominating.”
Lee has never lost a postseason start, going 6-0 with one no-decision. His postseason ERA of 1.44 is the fifth lowest of all time for those with a minimum of five starts. And, of course, he won those two games against the Yankees for the Phillies in the World Series last year.
“But he’s only human,” Texas manager Ron Washington said. “If anything goes wrong, he’s going against a ballclub that can make you play.”
There apparently is some faux controversy being stirred up over Lee’s cap, with the white resin stains on it.
“It definitely makes me way better,” Lee deadpanned. “I know that much. Without that hat, I don’t know if I could do it. It’s resin is what it is. I go to the resin bag quite a bit. I touch my hat in the same place over and over. And it just accumulates. I couldn’t pitch without it. That’s for sure.”
A couple of the Yankees batters said they might not be able to have that usual patient approach at the plate with Lee pitching because he throws so many strikes. Washington said if Pettitte and his great pickoff move serves as a deterrent to the Rangers’ aggression on the bases, they could win in other ways.
Gates open three hours before first pitch for any fans coming to Game 3.
Lee just might have the sarcastic bent it takes to make it in NY.
1 Day, 2 Hours, 21 Minutes until Game 3 of the ALCS.
Hardwired-
He’s an amateur compared to Berkman.
I have to take a shower, cutting grass is hard work for this old man.
Just wanted to jump in with that update on the last thread.
Later folks.
This Phil Hughes thing is simply known as beating a dead horse … dead … dead … dead …
I’m gonna throw a curve here (pun intended) and ask the blog a question -
Zack Greinke’s salary jumps up to $13.5 MM for the next (last) 2 years of his contract and the Royals have supposedly made it known that “they will listen to offers.” (as one poster here already translated, this means they are now willing to relieve a team of their top prospect(s) in exchange for a player they can no longer afford to keep)
Should the Yankees be interested? If so, do we give up one of our top prospects? He DID have a sub-.500 record in 2010 (but it WAS the Royals). On the other hand, he DOES have a Cy Young season on his resume. He was unhittable for much of 2009.
If they go after him, do they also sign Lee? Will their budget allow for this?
Or should it be either Lee or Greinke, but not both? Lee turns 33 next August! Greinke’s only 27. But Lee has the better resume and doesn’t need a shrink and meds (can Zack even handle NY???).
Most important of all, will Cliff Lee insist during negotiations that the Yankees allow him to keep that silly looking “soul patch” under his lip??? Or will Hal insist he shave it? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
AL-
In case you’re still around I responded to you in the last thread.
Thanks for the Chad update.
Berkman definitely showed easy humor even when he wasn’t hitting. some guys don’t take themselves too seriously — Wood and Berkman both come to mind. rooting for them is easy (unless they end up w/a ‘B’ on their cap in the future.)
1 of 2. Yankees need one of the next two and only one win the next 2 times Lee pitches. If the Yankees win tomorrow they accomplish both musts in one game. They win 1 of the next 2 and beat Lee one time in the next 2 times he pitches.
Simple formula.
The Freddy Sez Story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....._embedded#!
JRwbfiG3.Hshtb – espn.com actually charges a subscription price for a write-up like that?
Hughes left his pitches up and was hit hard in Game 2 … cutting edge analysis!
The nightmare part of that for Yankee fans is AJ Burnett still in the #5 spot.
I don’t think Pettitte is retiring yet. His kids are old enough to enjoy his fame, and he is still pitching great.
So I think a Lee or Greinke decision may occur–as there won’t be space for both. Both are great pitchers, and it may be a timing issue that decides it. If Texas entices Lee to stay because of lower cost of living and a better offer, Cashman will pursue Greinke. If Cashman signs Lee, no Greinke.
KC will probably hold out until after Lee is off the market to get best trade value, so it could work in Cashman’s favor.
BoJo, that scenario could mean that Lee (33) goes to the Yankees, and Greinke (27) end up with the beaneaters.
Maybe. I don’t see how Boston can offer KC any catching help. They have none that I know of.
Exactly Aldo….I think Boston will focus on Crawford/Werth, Beltre, and a catcher (Suzuki?). Then they will rest…
They don’t need Greinke…
I could see Tampa Bay and Orioles making a push.
I can also see KC backing off idea to trade him. They aren’t that far away from contending IMO. I think Hochevar is about ready to have a good year, and Chen really progressed. 2 more years of Greinke would probably be the best decision they could make.
BoJo, Orioles is a good call here, especially if they a ML-ready catching prospect.
I have to think that they will make serious efforts to contend next year, after the way they became competitive under Showalter. And there’s no better place to start than with a pitcher for the top of the rotation.
What about Greinke to Texas if they don’t resign Lee?
BoJo, I’ll be surprised if they DON’T deal him. They signed him to a back-loaded deal (2009 – $3.75MM, 2010 – $7.25MM, 2011 and 2012 – $13.5MM per). He was 10-14 last year. They can’t afford the prospect of paying that kind of money for a .500 pitcher (potentially). With the 2010 Yankees offense (AND defense), Greinke would have won 17-18.
If they trade for Greinke (13.5 mil) instead of signing Lee (23.5 mil) they should be able to sign Pettitte and Crawford as well. Put Gardner in the Greinke deal. Romine. Nova. Banuelos.
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This winter is going to be fun. From MLB Trade Rumors:
“Several baseball officials tell Ben Goessling of MASNSports.com that they believe the Nationals will target Cliff Lee this winter. Washington would like to add a top-of-the-rotation pitcher and Lee will be by far the most appealing free agent to become available after the season….
baseball sources tell Goessling that the Nationals are ready to spend big. Apparently the club would be willing to commit $125MM over five years to an ace pitcher. Troy Renck of the Denver Post also hears that the Nationals are telling agents they’re willing to overspend on starting pitching if necessary.”
# LGY October 17th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
This winter is going to be fun. From MLB Trade Rumors:
“Several baseball officials tell Ben Goessling of MASNSports.com that they believe the Nationals will target Cliff Lee this winter. Washington would like to add a top-of-the-rotation pitcher and Lee will be by far the most appealing free agent to become available after the season….
baseball sources tell Goessling that the Nationals are ready to spend big. Apparently the club would be willing to commit $125MM over five years to an ace pitcher. Troy Renck of the Denver Post also hears that the Nationals are telling agents they’re willing to overspend on starting pitching if necessary.”
This is the reason teams get stuck with horrible contracts and cry about the Yankees.
Tom, THAT could happen, if they can offer the right package. I would think that Texas is looking for prospects themselves, though, not payroll.
Btw, did ANYBODY besides me notice that while Lee has been his usual lights out in post season, during the REGULAR season, he was an unremarkable 4-6, 3.98 WITH TEXAS?
You can chalk it up to the adjustment of a mid-season trade … or not.
Bret, those 4 in a Greinke deal? I don’t even think KC will have their sights set that high. You’re talking about gutting the Yankees farm system!
And if the Nationals offer Lee 5/$125MM, all I can say is … at least the Beaners didn’t get him.
Buster is a dope if he ever thought the Yankees were going to go with Phil on 3 days rest……………..
LOL at Lee……….I like him already
Aldo,
I think Gardner + Romine + Nova + Banuelos is fair.
You may think it’s too much but 10 seconds from now someone will shoot it down, call it laughable and say it’s not enough to get Greinke.
I don’t think the Royals would do Gardner + Romine + Nova + Nunez which is a step down. At this year’s deadline the Royals were said to want 2 young starters with front end potential just to get the conversation rolling. Banuelos and Nova have to be in that package or it’s a non-starter.
Glad I didn’t read any of the articles today. Sure Harper is saying that now. What he’s really saying is that he figures CC/Andy were a given to win both games (because we know that that is true) and that Phil/Lee was a punt anyway. Sure – where was this article right after the ALDS? Nowhere, that’s where. These mediots are just that – blaming the Yankees for wanting Andy to line up for a game 7 instead of Phil.
I have no idea how Bill James measures games and does anyone even care?
I believe ANY team is foolish to overspend as a matter of philosophy (as opposed to overspending for one player that they really want or need, ie CC).
Detroit decided to do that a few short years ago and ended up being stuck with some horrible contracts … they’re STILL picking up the pieces from having that philosophy.
I believe a successful team has to use ALL THREE options for building a contender – trades, draft, and free agent signings.
The Nats aren’t that far away, but they aren’t that close either. Lee is not going there, not when he can get $$$$ from the Yankees, Texas or other contenders.
So sad to hear the news about the passing of Freddy Sez. He was an icon at the Stadium.
Buster, sheesh; the Yankees are not going after Lee and Greinke. I have no interest in Greinke anyway.
I don’t think there is such a thing as a recent CY award winner who is still only 27 years old who the Yankees have no interest in.
Aldo,
I think Gardner + Romine + Nova + Banuelos is fair.
You may think it’s too much but 10 seconds from now someone will shoot it down, call it laughable and say it’s not enough to get Greinke.
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You’re absolutely right, Bret, I didn’t mean to imply that it CANNOT go down that way. What do I know? I’m just giving my own opinion, which is no better or worse than the next person.
Just like you say … YOU call it fair value; I call it gutting the farm system; the next poster might say it’s not nearly enough.
FWIW, I’m basing my opinion on the belief that KC is kinda forced to deal him to dump salary, and only a handful of teams can afford it. Supply and demand, so if I were calling the shots, I wouldn’t want to give up 3 blue chips and a regular who has a low salary (making him a real commodity)
Like I said … what do I know?.
Bret, they are going to do their darndest to sign Lee…………that’s it. You may want Greinke, but I’ll bet the Yankees are not going to trade their farm for him if they get Lee………….and if Andy returns, there’s no room for Greinke. Good.
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Aldo,
Nova’s not a blue chip prospect. Some could argue that Romine slipped as well. Gardner hit .230 in the second half. The only one that hurts in that deal is Banuelos.
I would like for the Texas Rangers to be 1 AND 4 !!!!
Do you remember how deafening the silence was at the trade deadline this year?
We really don’t know what was said to the Royals. We know the Yankees and Royals talked about Soria at the very least. That came out.
Like the Granderson negotiations which Cashman started months before we heard any leaks, it could be that the Yankees were laying the groundwork for a Greinke deal well in advance of the winter meetings.
Betsy, Greinke is potential ace material. He had an incredible 2009 season, with a deceptive W-L of 16-8 … he had EIGHT starts where he gave up two runs or less and either took the loss or got a no-decision.
The only concern I have with Greinke is his ability to handle NY, he’s had some sort of social anxiety problems or something like that. I don’t know how that affects an athlete, especially one in NY. But the media glare of NY is definitely not for everyone, as we’ve seen numerous times.
Trading Gardner would definitely hurt. He was one of the most valuable Yankees this year and one of the biggest bargains in all of baseball. On a team with such a high payroll Gardners production at his cost is very valuable.
He also got on base at a .360 clip in the 2nd half which was one of the higher marks on the team even though he was battling injuries.
That said there is no reason why the Yankees should not at the very least look into the cost for trading for Greinke. Pitchers of his caliber and at his age do not hit the free agent or trade market often. It would be a mistake and a significant opportunity cost to completely pass over him.
Hopefully we’ll get Lee and talk of Greinke will just dissipate.
West Coast Yankee Fan October 17th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
BIG AL October 17th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
“…Chad stated there was no evidence that the person being accused on the blog by WCYF, had anything to do with that outing of Nick’s personal information”.
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Interesting, in that I never mentioned anyone by name. Make that more than interesting.
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What you should find interesting is the fact that both before and after Nick in SF accused CR9 as being the guilty party, you stated no less than 3 times you had proof of who had done it.
At least 2 or 3 times you attempted to get other bloggers to provide you with their E-mail addresses, so you could send them the proof. That, in and of itself, set off a red light for me, because to me it appeared you were using a ruse in attempt to gain peoples information.
At no time, even though you state you know the guilty party, did you say who it was, and neither did you state it was not CR9, the person accused by Nick.
After I E-mailed Chad, his reply was as I stated prior, the offending members IP address was banned, and none of the information he’d received from different bloggers proved any other members involvement.
So this begs the question; did you send your proof to Chad, and if so, why did Chad say he had no futher information of anyone else being involed?
If you do indeed have such proof, please post it for all to see, if you have such proof that is.
Also, when someone called Matt a blog “terrorist”, you were the first to jump to his defense. In reading back through the game threads, I see Matt, and others you praise, after post after post of negative statements about the Yankees, you say, Matt is the best blogger on LoHud.
Everyone can make up their own mind, I’ve got my opinion as to who and what you and your ultra negative friends are all about.
I apologize for the very lengthy post, I felt I had to respond, and say what was on my mind.
I for one sure hope Nick returns, if not, he and his comments will be missed.
What do you have against Greinke, Betsy?
He didn’t even have a good year this year.
Tom, I’m not going to answer that because that’s a completely slanted question. Why didn’t you ask me why I don’t want him instead of why I have something against him? You’re making it seem like it’s personal with me.
Bret The Hitman October 17th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Aldo,
Nova’s not a blue chip prospect. Some could argue that Romine slipped as well. Gardner hit .230 in the second half. The only one that hurts in that deal is Banuelos.
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Bret, I don’t follow the minors at all. I only know what I hear and read in the media and blogs.
But in the case of Nova, I’ve seen him start several games. And he looks ready for the 2011 rotation, imo.
In the case of Gardner, we all saw him dip significantly in the second half. Girardi says he’s been playing with an injured wrist. I believe it. He is a very exciting player, a very good defensive outfielder, and he’s locked up for several years. I like him a lot.
I know nothing about Banuelos and Romine, except what I read here and elsewhere, mostly from posters. So Romine might’ve slipped and I wouldn’t have a clue. But wasn’t he supposed to be a highly-regarded catching prospect?
When it comes to evaluating the minors, the best info would most likely come from SJ44 or GB7, as they follow the minor leagues.
Bret The Hitman October 17th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
Do you remember how deafening the silence was at the trade deadline this year?
We really don’t know what was said to the Royals. We know the Yankees and Royals talked about Soria at the very least. That came out.
Like the Granderson negotiations which Cashman started months before we heard any leaks, it could be that the Yankees were laying the groundwork for a Greinke deal well in advance of the winter meetings.
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Bret, interesting point.
That would be just like Cashman. I will never forget how in the winter of ’08-’09, espn and many others had Mark Teixeira already fitted for a Red Sox uni, when Cashman came out of nowhere and scooped him up at the last minute.
I love Lee and have been set for a long time that the Yankees should sign him, but depending on the prospect package needed to acquire Greinke I would rather they trade for him.
I’m not wild about giving up Gardner or especially Banuelos. There are a number of other prospects the Yankees could include if they wanted Greinke.
Gardner suffered in the second half due to injuries. I think he will get even better. Banuelos throws 95 and is left handed with control and command of 3 pitches. He is being called a top of rotation ace. No way do I give him up.
I could throw in Nova, Joba, Romine or Montero, and Nunez and see what that brings. Even willing to discuss Brackman.
I think the Orioles, Nats, Rays, and Cards may all go after him if he is on the market. Mets too (although they won’t have much to offer–they could do it if they give up their top prospects).
I think the only way the Yankees go after Greinke, is if they’ve given up on AJ.
Soria is another story, but, would he be willing to be a set-up man for MO, or a co-closer? That would be a very tricky deal to make. Unless Mo has told them he plans on retiring, and the Yankees have kept it quite, so as not to drive up the asking price for a new closer.
$125M for 5 years in NYC or Washington translates to about $75M in Texas due to state sales tax and cost of living differences. I still think Texas is going to be a big player in the Lee sweepstakes. Offering Lee $125M for them would require NY and Nats to offer $250M for 5 years.
I think Greinke may be someone that Cashman falls back to….
I think Cashman’s first priority is to re-sign Pettitte early, then go after Lee, and if he fails, pursue Greinke or Josh Johnson in Florida. With the prospects he is offering, he might as well ask SF about Cain as well.
AldotheApache October 17th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Most important of all, will Cliff Lee insist during negotiations that the Yankees allow him to keep that silly looking “soul patch” under his lip??? Or will Hal insist he shave it? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
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He can keep it. If you’ll notice, CC has the same type of growth, so there you go, they’re soul mates already.
BIG AL October 17th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
I think the only way the Yankees go after Greinke, is if they’ve given up on AJ.
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I’m curious, are you figuring Pettitte returns in ’11?
I’d rather sign Lee for cash than trade for Greinke.
If it’s a Greinke/Soria pkg, then that changes it a bit.
If Gardner goes, they’ll need a replacement. Hey, wait, I see where this is headed…
RIP Freddy Sez
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ge_82.html
BoJo -
Is Josh Johnson going to be available? If so, I’d think he’d bring more to the Marlins than Greinke to KC.
I want Grienke more than ever now simply because Betsy is not interested in the Yankees acquiring him.
Eduardo Perez says if the Rangers can’t win game 3, it’s over.
All we have to do is win game 3!
It will be tough, but they don’t play on paper.
Other players the Yankees could dangle include INF/OF Brendon Laird, OF Melky Mesa, pitchers Adam Warren, Jairo Heredia, Brett Marshall, and Graham Stoneburner. These are some good prospects that should attract interest. The Yankees had a great year for development this last season and Cashman is sitting on a lot of chips.
AldotheApache October 17th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
BIG AL October 17th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
I think the only way the Yankees go after Greinke, is if they’ve given up on AJ.
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I’m curious, are you figuring Pettitte returns in ‘11?
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Yes, I believe Andy come back for 1 more year, then he and Jorge retire together.
Would you trade Hughes for Grienke?
What if Mo, Andy, and Jorge all rode off into the sunset together? Too gay?
Go Giants and Sanchez tonight!
Greinke has “social anxiety disorder”. It can be controlled with medication not cured.
However, that does not mean he should be exposed to a maximum dose of the very thing
that magnifies his problem- people and pressure. I wouldn’t think that wise.
It’s analogous to a being a Diabetic. It can be controlled by Insulin. That does not mean that it would be sensible to go and work in a candy factory, or work in a sugar cane field.
Because of that I don’t ever see a guy like Greinke pitching in NY.
That’s gas on the fire for a guy like him. JMHO.
m -
No one thought the Giants would beat Doc either, but, that’s why you play the game.
m, that’s a LOT of talent to give up in one fell swoop, Greinke and Soria. Their ace and their closer. The Yankees would have to be giving up a LOT of talent in return, obviously.
A LOT!
Big Al–
I agree, mainly because Florida is tougher to trade with then KC…the GM there is not too bright comparatively to the Marlins GM.
But the Yankees have a lot of chips they could throw. They would need to overwhelm Marlins because of pressure to open new stadium with Johnson heading a competitive team.
Net: I am not saying they could get Johnson, but if Cashman is going to move top prospects, he should contact all the teams with a young ace to see which ones are available.
MTU -
If it were a package deal, with KC unloading salary, and we could get Soria in that deal, I’d take the chance. So long as we still sign Lee.
m October 17th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
What if Mo, Andy, and Jorge all rode off into the sunset together? Too gay?
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Only if they were bareback riding Jeter.
Speaking of Doc, I still can’t get over the fact that Cody Ross spelled backwards is Sorry, Doc or Sorry Doc.
Got to go, son and grandchildren on Skype.
Tom in N.J. October 17th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Would you trade Hughes for Grienke?
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Absolutely not. At best, it’s a lateral move. What would be the logic of it?
JMO.
Greinke at $27 million over 2 years at age 27 compared to Cliff Lee at 100+ million over 5+ years at age 32 is quite a gap.
There is a significant difference there in flexibility and risk.
But the prospect package has to be factored in as well in the calculation so it will be interesting to see how steep it would be.
I may be in the minority here, but I don’t think the Yankees should necessarily prioritize Lee over Greinke.
Also, just my take but I think the Yankees secondary target, if he is posted, is Yu Darvish.
And before you jump on me. I am not saying he compares with Greinke, or that I would want him. The Yankees might. They have scouted him heavily.
Go Giants!
Enjoy the game folks.
What a hoot if the Giants could beat the Phillies again.
I can dream, right ?
I still don’t understand why people are shocked Doc & Co. lost last night.
MTU–
Good point…but I think Cashman should be heavyu in the discussion to see what it shakes up from other teams who might want the same prospects.
Other young pitchers I like…Cain, Peltrey (believe it or not), Gonzalez, Liriano, Morrow (and a few other Jays starters), Matusz, and several others.
If they can’t sign Lee, I would prefer to bring in a younger rising star.
CC, Hughes, Pettitte, AJ and #5 rising star….gives us time to develop the killer Bs.
Cowboys 1-4, ouuuch.
BIG AL October 17th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
BoJo -
Is Josh Johnson going to be available? If so, I’d think he’d bring more to the Marlins than Greinke to KC.
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BIG AL, Loria has JJ locked up for 3 more years. Next year, his salary is $7.75MM, a total bargain. The next two years, however (2012, 2013), it jumps up to $13.75MM per. Unless Josh wins a Cy Young in ’11, I expect he’ll deal him.
The one unknown factor in this (I live in south Florida) is that local politicians have taken Loria to task for crying poverty in order to get public money for a new stadium, then it’s revealed he’s MAKING money. MLB has also publicly warned him about his penny-pinching ways, since he gets luxury tax revenue.
Because of that, he might be hard pressed to deal JJ.
I hope the Phillies win………….
oh Betsy, why?!
I have been watching Yu Darvish for a few years, and I have to suspect something is wrong if he is being posted so early. I definitely would go for a proven pitcher already in the majors rather than him.
The guy on the mound for the Giants tonight might cost less than Greinke and may come with a lot less steep asking price!
Go Sanchez
Brackman and Gardner for Sanchez , I will kick in Dejo!
Betsy says:
October 17, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Hopefully we’ll get Lee and talk of Greinke will just dissipate.
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Hopefully Game 3 starts soon so talk of Hughes will just dissipate.
I thought there was a chance Doc wouldn’t be sharp coming off the no-no, plus he had a long layoff?
Otherwise i am surprised.
Kudos To the long haired one for settling down. He was getting hit hard, a lot of loud outs, but the Phillies were teeing off on him.
Joba, I don’t care one way or the other about the Phillies unless they are directly in the path of our WS. I’m happy they are so good because it makes it harder for the Mets to win. Also, the Giants annoy me – maybe it’s because Mad Dog Russo used to blather on about him all the time.
Of the ones I mentioned, I particularly think Gio Gonzalvez, Brian Matusz,and Liriano would be outstanding acquisitions for the Yankees. All 3 are crafty LHers with great stuff, and would benefit with the offense and defense of the Yankees. I could see all 3 winning 15-20 with our line-up.
I listed Gio first because he would be easiest to acquire IMO.
I’d like to see Tex chipping in on the offense some more. He’s looked futile on curveballs, and the lack of output allows opposing pitchers work outside the zone on Alex.
Time for Tex to have a big game.
Betsy–
I root for the Giants because Raqs is their pitching coach, and I’d love to see him back at the new stadium!
JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
I still don’t understand why people are shocked Doc & Co. lost last night.
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Because the “H20″ rotation is getting all the pub, and most everyone just follows along.
But I’ve said it before … I will take Tim, Matt Cain, and Sanchez over Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels ANY DAY, for a short series or for a season. The biggest difference between these two teams is that Philly has a more potent lineup.
But the time-honored belief in baseball is that good pitching will always stop good hitting. This series is a real test of that axiom, I think.
I’m rooting for the Giants. My dad was a lifelong Giants fan, even from their days in NY.
Did someone discuss the cost of living as a deciding factor or one of the deciding factors for Lee in his decision this offseason? At $20 mm + annually, does “cost of living” really matter? A $5mm player in KC leads a much better life than a $5 mm player in NY, but let’s be reasonable, a $20 mm a year guys can love wherever he wants however he wants and he doesn’t have to think twice about it.
Bojo, Peter Angelo won’t even deal a sac of balls to NY Yankees. What incentives is there for any those three teams to deal their young pitching. Young LHer pitching unless you overwhelm them with prospects pkg which the Yanks won’t do IMO.
raymagnetic! So good to see you here. I mentioned you yesterday as someone missed on the blog.
I am going to email Chad to see if there is any way we can have a separate game thread for people who just want to watch and cheer on the Yanks. They can put up as many threads as they want so I don’t see why that can’t be done. It is SICKENING to be with hypercritical knee jerkers just about every game thread, and they are the ones who seem to take over the thread. I’m sure that there are at least a few posters here who’d like to enjoy the game, win or lose, without having to start to hear from the first inning on about how the Yankees suck and how they are going to lose. It’s worth a try. I’ll let you know what happens.
GO GIANTS!!!
GO COLTS!!! (Peyton Manning is on my football fantasy team
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I am also going to see if they can put up a separate thread for discussion about pitchers. I swear that if I have to see another post about PH I’m going to scream. ENOUGH! At least give it a rest until his next start.
Obviously JMO.
Also, the Yankees are trying to develop their own pitching……………
Lincecum is a dead ringer for Wiley Wiggins from Dazed and Confused.
Goose–
I am not expecting anything out of Tex this off-season. He is a mistake hitter this year, and has been exposed as a terrrible change up hitter. Texas pitchers (except perhaps Hunter) will make him look bad…and SF will make him look worse. But I give him slack because he is playing with a BROKEN TOE…and continues to play big defense.
In the play-offs, you have to expect that most hitters will hit below 250 anyway due to the quality of pitching. From my recollection, it is usually 1-3 hitters that come up big and carry the team…like Matsui and ARod and Damon did last year.
Bring in the Goose:
http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/.....-lincecum/
If the Yankees were to lose out on Lee then I could see them maybe dipping their toe in the Greinke waters but I’d be really surprised if they pursued both…..personally I hope they sign Cliff and talk Andy into one more year.
Cash–
Yes–Angelos would stop a deal which is why I think Gio might be the only one on the list who is available…and only because the As have a lot of young pitchers and need help in other areas.
Betsy–
Their young pitchers are 2 years away, by which time Andy might retire, thus opening up a spot. They can probably bring the kids up in bullpen first to acclimate them to the bigs, and then move them into #5 slot in starting staff.
But that means they need another pitcher to replace Javy next year…preferably one who is good enough to be around and pitch in play-offs, since they won’t want to be in position to have to trrust Aj for next year.
My above comments assume that Lee might sign elsewhere. If he signs with the Yankees, and Andy returns, this is all moot.
Bojo, they very much need Lee. If they get him, but Andy retires, then find a solid veteran some where.
I will take it from here kid!
I hope Cashman’s off-season strategy regarding pitching is to:
1) get another ace so that AJ is relegated to #5 in the rotation
2) Get an 8th inning set up man who can replace Mo eventually
#1 can be done via Lee, or a trade for a rising star (preferably a LH starter with AL experience with god stuff), or perhaps promoting Nova.
#2 can be done by re-signing Wood (not necessarily my favorite option), or acquiring Soria (tough to do), or signing Soriano. My favorite move here wouldbe to sign SOriano so that I hurt Rays at same time…but he would require a lot.
Nova would be an ace next year?
s/b good stuff…god stuff costs too much
Nope–he is a fallback option…but probably better than AJ
Please take note of the crazy energy at the game tonight. Fans going nuts with every pitch. New Yankee Stadium is so lame. One of the worst parks as it relates to fan energy in all of MLB
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About a separate thread – really all that would have to happen is for people to agree to stay in the pre-game thread instead of moving over to the game thread.
However, you can’t keep people out. And if not enough people opt in, it’s not the same.
Besides, I think there are those who actually enjoy the entertainment value of the controversy.
We have to learn to peaceably co-exist.
Andy Pettitte is going to be 39 years old and he only started 21 games this year. Aside from my gut telling me he will retire this time, if he returns, the likelihood of him being a productive starter for most of 2011 is not great IMO.
They killed the place by putting all the rich folks by the field and all the loud people sitting with the pigeons. Sad Sad Sad, The freaking Royal fans make more noice then the spoiled entitled Yankee fan. sorry but its the truth. The bleacher Creatures are the only energized fans. See whta happens when Andy has 2 srtikes on a batter and watch tonight when Roy has 2 srtikes. Night and Day.
WCYF–I would respectfully disagree about Pettitte. I think he is getting better with age, and his injury had nothing to do with his arm.
A groin injury also doesn’t mean it will re-occur.
If not for his injury, I think he would have won 18-20 games this year. He is craftier than ever, uses the change more, and relaly can spot his pitches and set up hitters better than I have ever seen him do in the past.
Phillies has two acquired ‘Aces’ in Oswalt and Halladay and while the Giant’s starting staff is all home grown with a burnettesque Zito left off the roster.
It represents how you can go both ways in regard to home grown talents. The biggest key is identify the correct talent and allow him the time to grow. In NY Yankees universe, time and paitence is a hard sell.
along that line, I would use those talent , not all of it, to acquire proven or blossoming aces.
Lee we can acquire via FA, we could use another in Greinke or others.
I’m going to talk to Chad about starting a cream cheese thread too. They can put up as many threads as they want so I don’t see why that can’t be done. I’m sure that there are at least a few posters here who’d like to enjoy cream cheese, without having to start to hear from the first inning on about how cream cheese sucks.
mykyl1 -
It’s the people, not the stadium. yankees fans are lazy. They wait for the action to start before cheering. They wait in expectation instead of anticipation. They’re spoiled.
Cash–
I am sure Cashman and staff will turn over every stone and make the best possible move at the time. No one can predict the future, but I find their moves to be well thought through.
I think it is interesting that Cashman has learned not to put big bets on players like in the past. Javy was only a 1 year deal, Andy is year to year. Mo probably will be, and I think Jeter will be as short as possible.
I mention this because it may be more attractive to him (given his recnt approach) to go after a Greinke for 2 years rather than Lee for 5 years.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
BoJo October 17th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
WCYF–I would respectfully disagree about Pettitte. I think he is getting better with age, and his injury had nothing to do with his arm. A groin injury also doesn’t mean it will re-occur. If not for his injury, I think he would have won 18-20 games this year. He is craftier than ever, uses the change more, and relaly can spot his pitches and set up hitters better than I have ever seen him do in the past.
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I don’t disagree about his pitching abilities. I just question how long one can count on a 38-39 year old pitcher not being injured, whatever the injury is. If you can grab another good starter without giving away the farm I would.
And it’s not just the “rich” people in the field seats.
what happen to Kung Fu Panda ? Fontenot is starting every game at third.
Doreen, sorry, but I disagree with you. It is more than obvious that we can’t all peaceably co-exist. That’s fairy tale and it isn’t going to happen. If a group of people stay in the pre-game thread, so be it. I cannot see why someone who lives to b*tch and complain and whine and vomit per pitch would want to stay with a group of people who desire to remain positive throughout the game. It makes no sense. The negative people just egg each other on, which is a good thing for them. It’s not a good thing for those of us who want to post to each other and enjoy the game.
I’m not talking about keeping people out of threads. Only a total idiot would stay in a thread where he or she felt uncomfortable. And for those who want to thread hop and check out the other thread so be it. But there can also be a place where posters like MG and Big Al and ac1 and ralphy and raymagnetic and miggs can hang out without having their total enjoyment ruined by the cesspool that game threads have become. I would LOVE to have GB7 around during games. 108 threads said he won’t come anywhere near the place. But the neurotic complainers never feel the need to stay away because the place is a breeding ground for negativity. Sorry but if there’s a way to make both kinds of posters happy, I say do it. If it’s as simple as having the “positive posters” (for lack of a better phrase) stay behind in the pregame thread, then it is.
MG mentioned it today. I’m asking Chad to enact it. I have no idea what will happen.
“I’m going to talk to Chad about starting a cream cheese thread too. They can put up as many threads as they want so I don’t see why that can’t be done. I’m sure that there are at least a few posters here who’d like to enjoy cream cheese, without having to start to hear from the first inning on about how cream cheese sucks.”
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WCYF–Isn’t that why they have HGH?
JK
I do think Andy was taught how to keep in great shape by Clemens, and I have heard he is a workout warrior, so I expect he can go another few years as long as the arm holds out. The elbow is the key for him.
But having some young prospects ready to step up from AAa when he does go down is important, as it is for having back up for any of their players.
The good news is that Cashman plays a 40 man roster, not 25 when he plans strategy.
Looks like the chubby troll is worried that he won’t be able to ruin peoples’ enjoyment with his “GREAT POST!” comment to every negative post he sees.
AWWWWW.
Key AB
Sigh. Some people have no sense of humor. Oh well.
Off to walk my dogs…good night all.
Rollins will fail
“Rollins will fail”
I trust you.
BoJo October 17th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
WCYF–Isn’t that why they have HGH? JK
I do think Andy was taught how to keep in great shape by Clemens, and I have heard he is a workout warrior, so I expect he can go another few years as long as the arm holds out. The elbow is the key for him. But having some young prospects ready to step up from AAa when he does go down is important, as it is for having back up for any of their players. The good news is that Cashman plays a 40 man roster, not 25 when he plans strategy.
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HGH! Ouch lol.
It’s true they are loaded with pitching prospects but no one knows for sure when any given one will be ready. Nova was a good call up. It will be interesting to see if he has any room for improvement, we’ll start to see in spring training. As far as trades, I guess it all depends on who is available and at what price.
JobaTips, I STILL trust you.
CR9, thanks I’m feeling much better.
CR9, for whatever it’s worth, and I know I might get pilloried for this, I will always understand any concern anyone has about bad calls by umpires. I may not emote about it all the time, but it really p*sses me off every time it happens. And I don’t care that it happens to every team, it shouldn’t happen to ANY team. If they can’t get it right, get electronic calls behind home plate and institute replays for base calls.
Anyway, please don’t respond to this only because I don’t want either of us to get killed tonight, but I thought I would tell you that. And I guarantee you that there are others who are unhappy about it too. Hopefully at some point something will be done about it. In the meantime, we hope for the best.
Where there is life, there is hope.
I picked the Giants to win this series despite Mad Dog Russo. Although I was always a Yankees and Reds fan, given a choice between the Dodgers and the Giants, I liked the Giants much better. I also think they would be easier to beat in the WS.
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As I have said a number of times here, I want Pettitte for another year. Any pitcher or player regardless of age can get hurt. I dearly hope we can sign Lee for 5 years. 125 mil. is a bit much regardless of the state you live in. If Lee cannot live on half of 125 luxuriously for the rest of his life, he is in big trouble.
We throw these ridiculous numbers around as though we had just as much…lol
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I also do not want to trade Gardner. He plays a terrific outfield and I think he has been a great addition to this outfield. I love Swish too, but of the 2 of them, he is the one I would trade. I think the terrific year he had was an aberration. His fielding leaves a lot to be desired.