Cubs hire manager not named Joe Girardi
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 19, 2010 
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The Chicago Cubs have hired a manager, and it’s not the guy currently leading the Yankees.
Mike Quade, the Cubs interim manager, has been given the full-time job with a two-year deal. The Cubs were long rumored to be interested in Joe Girardi — a natural fit given his ties to the organization and the area — but they made their decision before Girardi’s season came to an end.
Three other minor notes with some connection to the Yankees.
• The Braves have released Melky Cabrera. Given the disappointments of both Cabrera and Javier Vazquez, it might be time to refer to this winter’s deal with Atlanta as The Boone Logan Trade.
• The Nationals would like to re-sign Chien-Ming Wang. This story has been out there for a few days. Wang was never healthy enough to pitch for the Nationals this season, but he’s been pitching in instructional ball this fall.
• Yu Darvish wants to stay in Japan. Considered one of the top pitchers on the international market, Darvish was linked to various teams with plenty of speculation that he would be come to the States this winter, quite possibly with the Yankees. (thanks to MLBTradeRumors for the heads up)
Andy Pettite and CC Sabathia. I think.
How fitting would it be if AJ ended up being the savior for this season?
Why are people guessing Cliff Lee is he’s asking from the 2009 ALCS? Are these people that dumb…
Melky lost his head in a small bag of peanuts.
Chad
You forgot the Yankees intend to trade for Greinke bit
LGY,
You mentioned trading for Grienke in the last thread, what kind of package would you be willing to part with to get him? Would you fpair that with a different free agent signing?
Dang CC didn’t pitch in the NLCS. I forgot they were bounced first round…..
Grenke, DeJesus, and Soria
Mega-deal time.
I was worried about Cano’s performance after he lost his buddy Melky. Turns out Cano was stellar but Melky suffered from losing his buddy Cano.
Greinke, DeJesus, and Soria? KC would draw 3,000 fans a game if that happened haha down from their 10,000 this year
Kitt-
It was pretty obvious that Cano was 1,000 times more talented than Melky. That being said I thought Melky would be better than he has been. I always thought he could be a .280 15 homer 15 steal guy with good defense. He’s fallen wayyyy off of that.
Someone Call Mike Francesa and say Brian Fuentes and Andy Pettitte
I hate to bring it up but I feel a Kevin Brown/Vazquez Game 7 2004 ALCS type performance coming tonight from Burnett and the Yankees pen….but really, really hope I am wrong…..
melky suffered because he was in atlanta.
i believe we would get the melky we had in ny, not the melky from atlanta.
I’m surprised, but oh well.
I’m not the biggest Girardi fan in the world.
Carl-
Fuentes! That’s it. Who was the third?
at the end of the day with all the yankees injuries, i would rather have melky backing up, instead of the AAA OF bunch.
the MelkMan only delivers in the Bronx
What was the question?
This is the lineup I want (not GTLU):
Gardner
Granderson
Cano
Rodriguez
Teixeira
Swisher
Berkman
Posada
Jeter
Obviously, 0% chance of happening. Girardi would never put Jeter 9th this year, maybe ever, and putting three lefties in a row would destroy the space-time continuum.
tk,
I haven’t fully thought this out yet. I don’t know if I would pair it with another FA signing, because it would depend on the the pieces sent out. Waiting for the offseason to go full court press on this topic
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As I sit here today, I would give up a significant package for Greinke and definitely consider Montero headlining it as painful as it would be.
I don’t think this is the same situation as a Santana-CC deal where prospects+money or just money, because the cost differential between Greinke and Lee will be enormous.
In the short term I think they would be in a great position either way. In the long term I think they would be better off with Greinke given the age differential and the length of the commitment needed for Lee.
They are both elite pitchers. With the age of this team I really like the flexibility Greinke would provide on a short term and affordable contract. Also, Greinke’s deal expires when he is 29, so the Yankees would have 2 years to see first hand if he is worth a long term investment which would eliminate some of the risk associated with all long term pitching contracts.
I will be very, very happy if they were to sign Lee, but right now I am taking the position that I would rather pursue a trade for Greinke first.
Fuentes! That?s it. Who was the third?
Darren Oliver
0 Days, 5 Hours, and 34 Minutes until Game 4 of the ALCS
The offense needs to get going. Derek needs to somehow get on base and not swinging pitches at his eye level. Tex needs to stop swing feebly over off speed stuff. Along that line, pretty much everybody this side of Cano and Granderson could use a few hits. I hope Burnett can channel all the naysayers’ negativities (me included) into positive fury against those antlers and claws clowns. Texas has outplayed us in virtually facets of the game. Let’s hope we can switch the pendulum of momentum tonight.
In Burnett I do not trust but have no other options.
Tyler, I agree – Cano has always been more naturally talented. But so much attention was played on the Melky-Cano relationship (roommates!), I was nervous about breaking up the duo. Just was pointing out that perhaps, Melky was rising up to be closer to Cano’s level.
Always loved Melky, especially when he caught Manny’s homer on May 6, 2006 – will never forget that game – I was there, the stadium went wild!
If Andy returns, Lee is signed, and Greinke is traded for, there’s no room in the starting rotation for Burnett. His salary would be difficult to peddle.
Good. I want Girardi back.
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“We’ll win 3 straight and can pop champagne and enjoy the weekend beginning on Friday. Just frustrating that it won’t happen a little faster.”
I’m with ya.
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I have no fear whatsoever about AJ having the stuff. I only hope that the big layoff doesn’t hinder him.
pat-
That’s right. I remember when he was a starter for the Cardinals. I can’t believe he has been around this long.
LGY, I guess I don’t understand why you would be willing to risk an enormous package of prospects for a guy who’s had issues. Also, aside from that, you’re not concerned that he didn’t have a good year? He’s had one phenomenal year…………..that’s it.
Cashmoney
We can always give Vazquez a start tonight or bring him in relief if AJ bombs
The Yankees are going to go all out for Lee; I don’t see any way they go after Greinke…….unless they don’t get Lee and they are desperate. That would make me nervous, though, because you should never make deals out of desperation.
Erica, I saw what you said on the other thread about not waiting until we’re 5 runs down to enact our food/shower/whatever rituals and I am totally with you on this.
In fact, because we really need to give AJ a lot of help since he hasn’t been on the mound in quite a while, I am on my way to KFC to get one of their grilled twister wraps (yum yum yum). I’ll have that for lunch and I will have some kind of chicken for dinner.
Tyler
Mets in 2006.
pat-
I knew it was with the Mets. I was just saying how I can’t believe that Darren Oliver is still going strong today when I saw him fail as a starter so many years ago.
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.....38;vkey=10
I can’t disagree with the premise of the article, but it does bug me to say there is no way they can beat Lee.
Darren Oliver pitched in the NLDS and NLCS with the Mets.
trisha, I’m glad you’re here because someone tried to steal your mojo and write a song about AJ. It was nothing compared to your musical composing.
LGY,
I think it would all depend on the cost to aquire Greinke, which in prospects I’m guessing would be substantial because the Yankees wouldn’t be the only team bidding on him.
I think Lee will be their top priority, but can see Greinke as a backup plan if he signs elsewhere or even possibly as a second addition if Pettite retires. I just think Lee will be the priority because he costs nothing in prospects and because he’s shown himself to just be nails in big games no matter for who or where he pitches.
trisha – true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Good. I want Girardi back.
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Trisha-me too. Seems like us Girardi supporters are a rare breed around here.
The perfect person to throw the first pitch tonight would have been El Duque. Tonight was his type of game. What a clutch performer.
For anyone interested in the K-Rod saga:
ed_price #Mets will not pay Francisco Rodriguez his 2010 salary after he hurt thumb ($3.1 M) but his 2011 contract remains in place.
LGY,
It’s hard to zealously support either side without knowing what it would cost to acquire either player. However, I think I would rather give Lee a contract approaching Sabathia’s than to part with the type of package I fear KC would require for 2 years of Greinke. Age is a concern with both the current roster and Lee (on an ~6 year contract). I think the Greinke deal would work well if there was an elite hitter, in his prime, available in free agency. Since there isn’t, I’d be pretty hesitant about trading Montero for pitching. So I think I’d lean toward paying the money for Lee and using the young talent to instead land some offensive help at some point over the next year or two.
Shame – you are such a good buddy.
Erin, I think the majority of the sanity crew are on board with Girardi and the glass-half-emptiers don’t want any part of him because they can manage better than he can!
Erin, Trisha -
I’d like Girardi back too.
But what I really want is for AJ to give the team a lift tonight. He and they can really use it. And I hope hope hope that the stadium crowd supports AJ tonight.
the only way the yankees push for greinke is if lee resigns with texas.
Cashman said recently on the Francesa show that Girardi “is the right man for the job”
I believe the Yanks want him back.
I think of all the players NOT on our team, Greinke might be the LoHud MVP for most name-drops in a given season.
Shame Spencer October 19th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I think of all the players NOT on our team, Greinke might be the LoHud MVP for most name-drops in a given season.
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Dejesus and Soria are up there to.
Trisha-I think you hit the nail on the head!
Oh, and Matt Kemp and Johnny Damon. Matsui will get honorable mention but thats probably only because Erica didn’t have a crush on him..
I was so annoyed when I first found out I was going to be traveling the last couple of days and would miss last night’s game.
Judging by the score, it turned out I was actually spared the anguish. I don’t even want to check the box score.
New day, new game … c’mon AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to be fair to Erica, most of the Johnny D conversations did not involve her
I think of all the players NOT on our team, Greinke might be the LoHud MVP for most name-drops in a given season.
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Dejesus and Soria are up there to.
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Classic example of parsing stats.
Take out Brett the Hitman and those numbers drop big time.
Another pitching coach other than Eiland would be nice.
Tyler,
Would you take CC over Lee?
I just heard on Francesa that they are selling dirt from the old stadium as a collectible! That is so absurd.
Heading out of the office to get up to the Bronx for tonight’s victory! Go Yankees!!!
wasn’t DeJesus one of Chip’s? along w/ Winn?
Why would the Yankees trade for Greinke? He has emotional issues and would not be able to take the pressure of pitching in NY. Can you imagine if he pitches badly and the “fans” start to boo him? No thanks, leave him in KC.
That is so absurd
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the even more absurd part would be someone buying it…
Yank-
No. CC has been very disappointing this postseason. Before the playoffs I’d say yes. Now I would say no even though the Yanks did help Lee last night but he still pitched very well.
The effectiveness of eating chicken is marginal at best.
Brussels sprouts and beets are the way to go.
upstate kate – Thats true, she didn’t really bring him up. It would mostly be someone lamenting the fact that Johnny was no longer on our team, followed by people telling them to shut it, followed by a bunch of good-natured hissing.
Do you think Brandon Steiner yells at the TV, like we do, when Tex flails away at curves in the dirt?
As a fan, sure.
But as a businessman, seeing these Yankees flounder at the plate has to hurt him at the register. He needs game heroes – big homeruns, game-changing plays, dives into the stands. Not 0-16 efforts by the 1-4 guys.
Authentic dirt or not.
Bronx Jeers -
Ha! I just put my beets in the oven!!!!! I kid you not.
Roasted beets, brussels sprouts and carrots tonight. With pork chops.
KittKat – YOU ARE GOING TO WITNESS A SWEET WIN!!!
Shame, I was just thinking that my Andy song didn’t hurt because he pitched well. Maybe I can come up with an AJ song too! I will try my hand at one as soon as I get back from shopping.
Pork chops – yum.
Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
The effectiveness of eating chicken is marginal at best.
Brussels sprouts and beets are the way to go.
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LOL
If that’s the case, I won’t be able to help out.
Forget about Bernie I think the Yanks should have Kate Hudson throw out the 1st pitch. Being down 2-1 is all Arod’s fault for breaking up with her. Bring the good luck charm back to the stadium tonight!!!
Dumping Gardner was in fashion once too.
Trisha -
“The other white meat.” ha ha
By the way I watched the game last night downstairs in my house. It is the first time I have ever done that (and the last!)
Sorry.
hmmm…I am doing pork chops cooked w/ apples…maybe some hard cider if we have any left…and more of that leftover cheesecake!
Brett Gardner‘s has hit .232 since the All Star break.
Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Take out Bret the Hitman and those numbers drop big time.
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As long as you all “take out Bret The Hitman” someplace nice, I don’t think he’d mind.
I have a pork butt in the crockpot.
“LGY, I guess I don’t understand why you would be willing to risk an enormous package of prospects for a guy who’s had issues. Also, aside from that, you’re not concerned that he didn’t have a good year? He’s had one phenomenal year…………..that’s it.”
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I may be sensitive to this topic, but I absolutely refuse to speculate on Greinke’s disorder when I am not in the least bit qualified to do so and I don’t know Greinke personally at all. I hate when people say Greinke cannot handle NY.
I am strictly talking about Greinke as a baseball player and what I would be willing to deal to acquire that baseball. Anything further would be irresponsible on my part.
In terms of Greinke’s year, ERA while part of how I evaluate him is not the only thing to look at. For example his FIP was 3.34, xFIP 3.76, and he pitched 220 innings.
Aside from the numbers, I think Greinke is incredibly talented and has the ability to be even the best pitcher in baseball as he showed in 2009. He is only 26 years old (27 in a couple days). Entering his prime, still developing, and great things ahead for him IMO.
“Why would the Yankees trade for Greinke? He has emotional issues and would not be able to take the pressure of pitching in NY. Can you imagine if he pitches badly and the “fans” start to boo him? No thanks, leave him in KC.”
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Can you fax me Greinke’s medical records.
I am at the forefront of this trade for Greinke thing, so I would like to take a look at them.
Greinke, Soria, DeJesus.
There.
Just trying to pad my stats.
Doreen,
I’d be very happy if I was eating that for dinner tonight. I also like mashed sweet potatoes/yams with pork chops.
Erin,
Sometimes you just gotta take one for the team.
“No. CC has been very disappointing this postseason. Before the playoffs I’d say yes. Now I would say no even though the Yanks did help Lee last night but he still pitched very well.”
Yeah I agree…. Lee is unbeatable in the postseason. Putting up Gibson-type numbers, not walking anyone, striking out double-digits, and pitching deep into every game. CC has had mixed results in the playoffs.
I think what separates him from CC is the superior command. You’ll never see Lee having an inning like CC did in the 1st inning vs. TEX or that 6th inning vs. Minny where he just completely lost the plate. Lee is just a machine in that regard.
“The effectiveness of eating chicken is marginal at best.”
Oh really? Well I’ll have you know Mr. Smarty Pants that Fran and I “singlehandedly” brought home last year’s world series with the consistency of our menu. Nobody said the Yankees were going to sweep each series by the way/.
And it’s not enough to eat the chicken, you have to believe! So it’s perfectly fine for anyone to abandon the chicken. Just believe. In the meantime several of us will continue with chicken – and believing.
And if it’s any comfort, I have enough belief in this 5’2 body to power a nuclear plant!
trisha – I fully support the creation of a song for AJ. I don’t know why, but right now I’m imagining him as the Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz singing something along the lines of “If I only had a channnge(up)”
oh thanks Jeers, you reminded me I have some squash cooked w/ butter and real maple syrup left over.
Shame, but it has to be a positive song. If I do a song that takes shots at him, it will lower his confidence even more! It has to be a victory song!
The Rangers scouting reports on Burnett must have been the easiest of all. Just sit on his fastball and when he attempts one of his erratic curveballs with a runner on 3rd base, just wait for a wild pitch to the backstop for a gift run.
# West Coast Yankee Fan October 19th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Brett Gardner‘s has hit .232 since the All Star break.
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He was affected by a hand injury yet still got on base at a .366 clip. For Gardner that is really what matters. Getting on base. He is not going to be driving in runs or anything.
Also when we are talking about only a couple of months worth of games a bad slide here or there can really bring down your numbers.
I am going to to have to credit a poster named Chris on RAB for this breakdown:
“Jul 16, 2010 to Jul 30, 2010: .222/.417/.306/.722
Jul 31, 2010 to Aug 10, 2010: .069/.069/.103/.172
Aug 11, 2010 to Oct 3, 2010: .268/.400/.384/.784″
Something was going on with Gardner those 10 days that really killed his numbers in the second half.
For most of the season Gardner got on base at an incredible rate which is a huge asset to this team.
Hmmm.. what about a reworking of Elton John’s “The B*tch is Back”? Before you all jump to conclusions, I think that would be a very positive song for him. It would be my personal at-bat song if I were ever to bat for the Yankees (my friends and I are bored easily), so I see it as motivational.
Here’s Greinke quote about the Yankees:
“[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”
Some have used this as “proof” he doesn’t want to go to the Yankees…
Yankee Trivia Time:
This is only the 3rd time in team history that the Yankees have trailed 2-1 after 3 games of the ALCS. The two previous times (1977 and 1998) they went on to win the Series.
Not that it means anything.
I will be back later. I am going to church to pray for a few hours that the good AJ shows up tonight. If the Rangers lead 5-0 after the first inning I may have to shut the TV off for the night.
“The Boone Logan Trade”
I love it!
Shame
it could be the “pitch” is back
Darrin
I like that trivia
Is Gardner still hurt ?
How about a reworking of “Someone Saved My Life Tonight”?
I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”
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He is right though. Anyone who is from KC or middle of America would have an adjustment period in NYC. The concrete jungle will eat you up, that, or Starbucks.
Kate –
That’s pretty cool!
Okay, I had been thinking of writing something to Grease is the Word. AJ’s The Man
I will leave it to you guys to decide which you want me to use. The pitch is back is great, I must admit. Maybe because he hasn’t pitched in a while he needs two songs! I’ll try to do both.
Time to eat the early chicken. I’d go for pork chops tonight and chicken – hey I could get that chinese dish that has pork, chicken and shrimp!!! I’m doing it.
Starbucks is out of control in NYC!
Cervelli in the lineup.
Lot’s of pork on the menu tonight.
If AJ pulls this off I’d say we found a culinary match for him.
Off topic but does anybody know why there is religious ban on pork? It’s actually from an obscure passage in the Old Testament. Something about a cloven hoofed animal that does not eat it’s own cud. Camels and rabbits are also banned.
Darrin, the only thing I want to stay away from is heart-rending melodies. That’s why I went with something more upbeat.
Okay later y’all.
Cervelli is catching..
Reason why I would take Lee over Greinke is threefold:
1. He’s a better pitcher.
2. He only costs money and not prospects. This is especially important given their current catching situation. They now need Montero more than trading him.
3. Lee is a proven playoff commodity.
Greinke’s personal issues don’t play into it at all.
Cervelli is starting tonight
“Cervelli in the lineup.”
Works for me. At this point any bromide can help with the temporary ills!
Why is everyone so gung-ho on Greinke? Do you realize he has anxiety issues? NYC is NOT the place for that. Read some of the articles on it. At one point, it was real bad.
You think AJ is a headcase? Just imagine what he’d be like pitching in front of 40,000 fans each start compared to 10,000. Not to mention the pressures and scrutiny that come with being a pitcher in NY.
I hate the notion of some Yankees fans that think they are “entitled” to buy or trade for top pitchers “just because.” If the Royals wanted to trade Greinke, they might as well contract the rest of their team.
Cervelli is in the line up. Oh goodie.
Tom.
This is the other “proof.”
He told this to a group of NY reporters
“I don’t want to pitch for New York in the playoffs,” he told the people there. “I want to pitch for Kansas City in the playoffs.”
Cervelli in the line-up what a joke
Too bad the Cubs filled their manager spot already
I don’t have a problem with Cervelli in the lineup tonight because Jorge is swinging the bat horribly right now.
If he was swinging it better, it would be an issue.
Since he’s not, it isn’t a big deal to me.
GTLU just got cleaved in half.
Question now is who’s DHing.
AJ already has a song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJjjDo5RQnU
They should play this when he’s warming up, ha ha.
I hate AJ Burnett.
Joelsherman1 If Posada were hitting this is tougher call, but without his bat then Girardi went for comfort of Burnett, so Cervelli Cs #Yankees
SJ,
All sound reasons and certainly why I would very happy with whatever they do.
For me I am just trying to think through if losing the prospects is worth saving money.
“Some have used this as ?proof? he doesn?t want to go to the Yankees?”
The Yankees aren’t the problem. The media and fans are.
New Post: Cervelli gets the start in Game 4
It sounds more like a guy who’s just reaffirming his loyalties to the Royals..
If Posada is DHing that would be a major mistake IMO. Unless I’ve been misinterpreting the basic fundamentals of baseball for years now, I always thought your DH was supposed to hit the ball.
cervelli is catching via mlb network. Hope Posada doesnt became a headache over it
OK-so the Yankees are going to cater who a pitcher who is not pitching well at all. Makes perfect sense to me.
Cervelli seems like a nice kid, but he should not be starting a playoff game to keep a headcase like AJ happy.
Oh really? Well I’ll have you know Mr. Smarty Pants that Fran and I “singlehandedly” brought home last year’s world series with the consistency of our menu. Nobody said the Yankees were going to sweep each series by the way/.
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What’s chicken’s contract status next season? Is it an option year and if so, what’s the buyout amount?
Bottom line? Chicken better start producing and producing quick. I got pork down here in triple-A and it’s itching for a chance to prove it’s worth on the big stage.
Also – Good luck with the songs trisha. I know whatever you decide on they’ll be great.
Angel Hernandez is behind the plate tonight. Someone get CR9 his nitro.
Greinke was signed to a long term contract extension with a limited no trade contract. The problem is that he can demand a trade after 1 year and his contract is up after 2012. With zero guarantees that he could be resigned, no way to you trade a bundle of young talent for 1 year, especially given that his ERA jumped by 2 runs, strikeouts dropped by 60, hits jumped by 50. Hardly inspiring.
He also allowed nearly 50 more earned runs over 2009.
One can try to spin the statistics on Brett Gardner’s second half any way the like. The reality is that he has steadily regressed.
July – .221/.375
August – .244/.363
September/October – .231/.351
Post-season – .222/.286
sic – anyway they like
When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Eiland comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it fly AJ.
And in my hour of darkness Eiland is standing right in front of me,
Padding my bum with purpose, Let it fly AJ.
Let it be, let it fly, let it fly, let it fly.
Whisper words of soft love, let it fly.
please pad my bum hard Eiland, Let me fly!
And when the broken hearted Yankee people living in the world agree,
there will be an answer, let it fly.
For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see me shine,
there will be an answer. let it fly
By Eiland Record
Artists- the crackatles
SJ44 October 19th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
I don’t have a problem with Cervelli in the lineup tonight because Jorge is swinging the bat horribly right now.
If he was swinging it better, it would be an issue.
Since he’s not, it isn’t a big deal to me.
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I totally agree but if Posada is swinging the bat horribly (he did get 1 of the 2 hits last night) what will you say about :
Mark Teixeira – batting .167 in 2010 playoffs
Alex Rodriguez – .208 in 2010 playoffs
Nick Swisher – .217
Brett Gardner – .222
all 4 are much worse than posada’s .238
Just got to the stadium and was immediately interviewed by ABC and NBC. Said that AJ was due for a good start and the bats will wake up tonight. They better not embarass me on national tv
I do realize Grienke pitchers for KC, but, his numbers overall are not that impressive, so as to be willing to give up your top prospects.
W-L 60-67, ERA 3.82, IP 1108, Hits 1121, SO 931, H/9 9.1, WHIP 1.264
I think he’d be a fair to good pitcher with the Yankees, but not higher than a #4 starter. Me, I don’t give up my top prospects for Grienke, IMO.
I do realize Grienke pitchers for KC, but, his numbers overall are not that impressive, so as to be willing to give up your top prospects.
W-L 60-67, ERA 3.82, IP 1108, Hits 1121, SO 931, H/9 9.1, WHIP 1.264
I think he’d be a fair to good pitcher with the Yankees, but not higher than a #4 starter. Me, I don’t give up my top prospects for Grienke, IMO.