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Girardi: “I don’t think you can hesitate to make a move”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 20, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Facing elimination, Joe Girardi said he’s prepared to manage today’s game much differently than any game we’ve seen this season. He might have a quick hook if he sees CC Sabathia heading toward a repeat of Game 1, and he’s willing to go with Mariano Rivera and Kerry Wood in earlier innings — and for more innings — than usual.

“I don’t think you can hesitate to make a move,” Girardi said. “If you have to use Woody and Mo somewhat unconventionally today, you’ve got to do it.”

Girardi went so far as to say Phil Hughes is available out of the bullpen today. That’s more of a last resort, obviously, but Hughes threw a bullpen yesterday and could give the Yankees an inning out of the pen. The only pitchers not available are A.J. Burnett, who pitched last night, and Andy Pettitte, who Girardi doesn’t want to use because of his pitch count on Monday.

The Yankees had no choice but to go with an unconventional lineup. Without Mark Teixeira — Eduardo Nunez has arrived, by the way — the Yankees went with Lance Berkman at first base, even against a left-handed starter. Girardi said he only briefly considered starting Nick Swisher at first base, putting Austin Kearns in right field and leaving Berkman on the bench.

“Swish hasn’t played a lot of first,” Girardi said. “Berk is used to playing first. You’re talking about taking a guy and putting him out of position… I know (Berkman) hasn’t swung the bat necessarily off lefties this year, but look at his at-bat last night. He hit a bullet.”

When Teixeira missed two games against the Rangers earlier this season, Girardi went with Marcus Thames in the No. 3 spot and left Robinson Cano at No. 5. Girardi said he never really considered doing the same this time. This is not simply a brief lineup disruption like it was while Teixeira’s wife was having a baby. This is the new lineup.

“Robbie, no matter where we’ve hit him, he’s hit,” Girardi said. “He’s produced, (and) we can get Robbie more at-bats this way.”

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432 Responses to “Girardi: “I don’t think you can hesitate to make a move””

  1. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Now I understand. Short rope for CC in Game 5, but Burnett gets as long as he needs to implode in Game 4. Just want to be sure I have that right. Glad you’re always on it, Joe.

  2. TheStraw October 20th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Joe’s Jekyll and Hyde managerial decision making coming to the forefront yet again.

  3. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    cr9 agree with that but agaoin aj threw the ball. he always makes the worng pitch when it counts ie 10 and 15 record on a 95 win team.

    aj is bad. never trust him when it matters.

    joel sherman below. could not agree more…

    2. I wrote in this column about Joe Girardi?s faulty decision making in sticking with A.J. Burnett at the critical moment of Game 4. Buck Showalter always used to tell me that one of the key elements of managing is having your head comfortably hit the pillow at night. Translation: How do you sleep if you let someone you don?t trust get into a situation in which trust is everything? If a player you trust fails, so be it. It is a game of human beings and failure is inevitable. But at least under that scenario you can sleep.

    How does Girardi sleep? Burnett has established himself as the least trustworthy Yankee. You cannot let him decide your season. CANNOT. This was as close to an elimination game as the Yankees could play short of an elimination game. I had asked Girardi before the game about this and he said he would manage aggressively, with the sense that the game could not get away. Thus, if Burnett were in trouble in the first inning then he needed to be lifted. This had to be Girardi?s thought process. Yet, with the tying and go-ahead runs on base in the sixth inning, Girardi stuck with Burnett. Would Joba Chamberlain have retired Bengie Molina? Who knows? It is not exactly as if Joba defines trustworthy. I actually would have brought in David Robertson and his curveball to go after Molina/

    But the worst decision ? the absolute you can?t do it decision ? was leaving Burnett in. Girardi said he liked how Burnett was throwing. But what does that matter. Burnett does not think well under duress. So how he is pitching at this second has nothing to do with the next second. Burnett even said that he had executed every fastball to a righty hitter exactly as he wanted until the Molina first pitch. Of course. This would be one of my examples to stats devotees who want to discredit the values of wins and losses completely. Obviously, there are other stats that provide a clearer view of a pitcher. But Burnett has translated ace stuff into No. 4 starter-ish success by not executing in this moment. By making loser pitches to become a losing pitcher.

    He tried to throw a fastball away off the plate and missed inside off the plate. That is essentially a two-foot mistake at the pivotal moment of this game. Molina hit a three-run homer. Burnett, though, was just being Burnett, embracing his loser gene.

    This falls on Girardi for letting him be out there to have that gene infect a whole team. It seems to me that under pressure that Girardi not only shows his whole team his stress ? a bad habit ? but also does not think clearly.

    Consider the situation that occurred the previous inning: Mark Teixeira went down with a hamstring injury. Girardi had to get a pinch-runner in and have a new first baseman in the next half inning. At that moment, the Yanks led 3-2, first and second, one out. Girardi picked Marcus Thames to run at first in place of Teixeira, which I think was the wrong move on three levels: 1) Greg Golson is faster than Thames and gives the Yanks a greater chance to score a valuable run. 2) He is a far better right fielder than Thames, who went into the game in right with Nick Swisher moving to first in place of Teixeira. Remember the Yanks led at that moment, so having the better defender in place was of great value. 3) By installing Thames in that spot, Girardi lost the ability to use his best righty bat off the bench when he wanted against a team that has four lefty relievers. So, for example, when Berkman came up as the tying run in the bottom of the eighth and had to bat from his far weaker right side because the Thames option was gone.

    girardi should have managed the wya he says he will today yesterday also.

  4. timmonsdesign October 20th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I agree with Girardi on the lineup. – And I think Robbie should move into the 3 hole permanently next year.

  5. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    this reactionary nonsense is killing me.

    there was no reason to take AJ out against molina. just as there was no reason to pitch to murphy.

    no reason whatsoever.

    hindsight does not make you an intelligent person.

  6. Chambliss October 20th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    So now we take the games seriously and manage with a sense of urgency?

    Mitre will be the only guy left in the pen by the 8th…

  7. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    trust and loser genes? are we supposed to take that post seriously stuart?

  8. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    0 Days, 1 hour and 49 Minutes until Game 5 of the ALCS :grin:

  9. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    this reactionary nonsense is killing me.

    there was no reason to take AJ out against molina. just as there was no reason to pitch to murphy.

    no reason whatsoever.

    hindsight does not make you an intelligent person.
    ===========

    THIS.

    I agreed with the decision and if AJ throws the pitch where it was supposed to go, who knows what happens. It was a bad pitch. Should have been low and outside, not middle in. Same swing with where the pitch is supposed to go and Molina either misses it or taps it off the end of the bat.

    AJ did his job. He kept the game close through the early innings and when the offense had the opportunity to step on Texas’ neck, they didn’t do it.

    They had the opportunity to get back in it and take AJ off the hook in the 8th and didn’t do it. I was generally satisfied with AJ’s performance (last pitch notwithstanding). The bats did him no favors.

  10. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    not loser genes aj has a loser brain. he is athe prottypical loser. talent, nothing between his ears, and almost never comes thru.

    aj is the model of the present times. looks good, talks a good game, results not so good.

    burnett is paid to be a productive player he is not. his year was the worst year by a yankee starter in over 30 years. think about that…

  11. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    this reactionary nonsense is killing me.

    there was no reason to take AJ out against molina. just as there was no reason to pitch to murphy.
    ================================
    what if we said pull him before the molina AB?
    is that a 2nd guess?

  12. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    LMAO

    There is no reason to take out one of the worst pitchers in the history of the franchise in the biggest game of the year.

    Tell that to Ron Washington about Tommy Hunter.

    Ill give you a better one.

    This year there there is never a bad time to take AJ out.

  13. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    CR9 – sorry but your overdramatic nonsense won’t fly with me today.

    CC was pitching like crap, and his pitch count was through the roof. thats not a short leash (and even if you think it is, its to let him pitch more today)

    AJ was not pitching poorly at all and only had to face a terrible hitting catcher. it wasn’t even a bad pitch, it wasn’t over the plate… molina just went up and got it. no fault lies on burnett for that.

    were you watching the games?

  14. Cashman needs to go October 20th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Robbie, no matter where we’ve hit him, he’s hit,” Girardi said. “He’s produced, (and) we can get Robbie more at-bats this way.”

    *************

    and its only taken him 7 months to realize this and move cano into the 3rd slot in the lineup…

  15. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    mick – to what end? are you telling me that molina justifies a RP just to get him out? i don’t think so. he just got lucky on a pitch that was up and in off the plate… kneejerking burnett out of the game is not going to change that.

  16. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    People can talk all they want about AJ executing better.

    Guess what? AJ has not executed all season. Its blind faith.

  17. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    ID

    Agree, AJ didnt really melt down when he had men on base. He made a bad pitch, molina hit it out, it could have happened to anyone. I was at the sept 14 game against Tampa when they pulled Nova and put in Logan, the Rays pinch hit Aybar and he hit a 3 run home run. there was no way we could have known what was going to happen until it was too late.

  18. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    ID
    Gut feeling?

  19. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Every out AJ got last night Girardi should have looked up at the sky and said thank you.

    Girardi pushed his luck big time.

    It is ALWAYS better to get a pitcher out like AJ too soon than too late.

    Ask Ron Washington about that.

  20. Cashman needs to go October 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    He might have a quick hook if he sees CC Sabathia heading toward a repeat of Game 1

    **************************

    and this folks is why sabathia will never be a true ace…yes he pitches ACE like 5 times out of 10 – but you would NEVER say “Halladay will have a quick hook, or Cliff Lee will have a quick hook” because they may not have it in the 1st inning but you trust them 100% to get it going after that….minus a few games, when CC struggles in the first couple of innings you know its going to be like that the rest of the game…

  21. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    CR9 – hunter threw 74 pitches through 3 innings, and got pulled after LOADING THE BASES in an inning where he was clearly struggling (and he didnt have good control at all the whole game).

    burnett had thrown 98 pitches through 5.2 innings, and had only gave up a SINGLE that inning… why on earth would you pull him in the 6th inning in that situation?

    you are telling me if pettitte were to have given up a 3R HR in the 8th, you would be crying that he should have been pulled too, after having only given up 2 the rest of the game? i think not.

  22. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    ID
    Are you comparing AJ to Andy? I think not.
    Andy works out of innings, AJ implodes.

  23. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    CNTG – thats just speculative nonsense.

  24. Mr Black October 20th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Figuratively and more important….literally.

    Every game from here on out is…

    All hands on deck.

  25. Chambliss October 20th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    ID

    Burnett and Pettitte are two entirely different pitchers. Pettitte has earned the trust of his manager. Burnett has not. That is why Burnett should have been pulled.

    Also, Burnett had not pitched in a long time and he had a few long waits in between innings. As Smoltz said on the broadcast, it is difficult to go out there are be effective in that situation.

  26. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    CNTG?

  27. upstate kate October 20th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    oh come on…CC is not an ace? CC who carried this team all year…CC who had 21 wins…CC who pitches deep into the game most of the time?
    hmmmm…I thought Halladay lost his last start, gave up several HR…maybe he isn’t an ace either.

  28. Tom in N.J. October 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    A.J. missed his location on that pitch last night…

  29. ET October 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    cashman,

    Problem is that CC has a tendency to just suddenly lose his command out of the blue and transform into Burnett. Look at that 6th inning in Minny after we took the lead. He couldn’t find the plate against awful hitters like Kubel and Valancia. The 1st inning in Texas was even worse. He looked like he had no idea where the ball was going.

    Lee can fall out of bed and throw strikes. So can Doc. That’s half the battle. CC doesn’t have the superior command of those guys.

    Now CC has no excuses. Normal rest. Home. Team is in a must win. He deservers a short hook. In an elimination game, everyone has one. Especially a guy who has had 2 subpar starts so far this October.

  30. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    The only reason this blog did not explode with get AJ out comments was because the server crashed before anyone could

    It wasn’t hindsight.

  31. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Prediction:
    We win today.
    Phil goes a flawless 7th and 8th.
    Andy wins game 6 on 3 days rest.

    Game 7 results pending, CC on the mound.

  32. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    sorry but thats just not right at all, there is no reason to pull burnett there. even if he had the worst season in history.

    burnett is very much a night and day pitcher, he either has it or doesn’t. yesterday he had it. on a day where he seemingly had pretty good stuff, you want to pull him because you are afraid of facing jose molina?

    i just want you to think about that. you are posting all of this because you are afraid of jose molina.

    jose molina.

    burnett threw a “bad” pitch not because of where it ended up, but because he missed his spot. even in missing that spot he didn’t throw the ball over the plate, molina went and got it and there you have the game of baseball.

    burnett, in control of the game, threw a ball… not a strike… to a bad hitter that got lucky and somehow kept it fair.

    i guarantee if you manage like you are suggesting you only hurt yourself in the long run… not to mention the fact that you want to bring in a bullpen that had been rocked 2 games in a row.

  33. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Murphy has been killing us, pay attention.
    Joba was ready, it was set up, Joe changed his mind for some reason.

  34. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    No one is scared of Jose Molina.

    Everyone is terrified on AJ Burnett.

    Btw its Bengie Molina.

  35. Bronx Jeers October 20th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    ID, Mick & Stuart,

    Be very careful discussing things with CR9. He has been collecting bits of personal information from people on here and then posting them.

  36. jacksquat October 20th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    I know (Berkman) hasn’t swung the bat necessarily off lefties this year, but look at his at-bat last night. He hit a bullet.”

    I *knew* that was the reason he put Berkman 6th today. Even though Berkman has hit about .170 vs lefties this year. This is one thing I dislike about Joe, his reliance on small sample sizes, this time one at bat.

    Hey Joe, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

    Oh well, lets just hope Berkman can come through and defy his season numbers and all recent performance before one at bat…

  37. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    yeah i realized i said “jose” after i hit the send button. oh well. they could both bat up there at the same time and i still wouldn’t care.

    you don’t pull someone you trusted to start a playoff game on account of some bad hitters in an inning where the pitcher was not struggling whatsoever.

  38. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Molina has been killing us. What are you talking about?
    AJ was at 100 pitches, it was his last batter.
    Why not leave well enough alone with him, get him out on a good not, maybe it carries over to the WS?
    Don’t understand the reasoning of giving him one more hitter.

  39. TheStraw October 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    “there was no reason to take AJ out against molina. just as there was no reason to pitch to murphy.”

    Um, over 90 pitches after not having pitched in a real game in 17 days. Almost threw an IBB pitch into the stands. Murphy was hitless. Molina had already had a hit and a walk. It’s not hindsight. It’s called being proactive.

  40. jacksquat October 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Irreverent DiscourseOctober 20th, 2010 at 2:20 pmCR9 – hunter threw 74 pitches through 3 innings, and got pulled after LOADING THE BASES in an inning where he was clearly struggling (and he didnt have good control at all the whole game).
    burnett had thrown 98 pitches through 5.2 innings, and had only gave up a SINGLE that inning… why on earth would you pull him in the 6th inning in that situation?
    you are telling me if pettitte were to have given up a 3R HR in the 8th, you would be crying that he should have been pulled too, after having only given up 2 the rest of the game? i think not.

    So, you are equating Andy Pettitte, one of the better postseason pitchers of all time, with AJ Burnett, who had one of the worst full seasons in Yankee history.

    Yes, you are.

  41. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    It’s ludicrous that today is “All Hands On Deck”, but last night, with the ultimate disappointment in starting pitchers on the mound, there was ample patience. Give me a break.

    Joe — You’re lost in the big wide ocean. I can only hope your next loss as a Yankee manager is your last.

  42. jacksquat October 20th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    And it’s just dumbfounding that today Joe is talking about not hesitating to make a move… with CC starting.

    But AJ at 100 pitches in a one run game is totally different!

  43. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    murphy was 5/17 with a HR (this year) and 4 BB’s, that’s why he got walked.

    molina slugs less than gardner. i don’t think him hitting a ball over the fence was within the realm of pertinent thought.

    as you said, only people that fear burnett would have made that switch, but they would have brought in someone for murphy instead and the matchup with burnett was obviously more attractive.

    not to mention the fact that if its a ground ball and not a HR, Burnett likely comes out to start the 6th inning being under 100 pitches. another reason to let burnett (who had been controlling their offense the whole game) try to finish the inning.

  44. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    CR9-

    Everyone here with half a brain knows the blog psycho is you.

    It’s not a coincidence that almost everytime a blog regular speaks out against you, their personal information mysteriously gets posted on Lohud for all to see. So now I am speaking out… will my personal information get posted too??? And then will you have the nerve to say it wasn’t you???

    Its also kind of interesting that the Yankees started playing crummy right around the time Nick started getting stalked. Maybe we are all suffering karmic retribution for your bad deeds.

  45. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    It’s come to the point where Girardi is now good for a daily laugh. He’s so inconsistent and in-over-his-head that one can only chuckle (beats getting your blood pressure up).

    By all means, measure CC pitch-by-pitch, but let your overpaid head case go as far as he can.

  46. Cashman needs to go October 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    ID and Mick – thats my opinion on CC – I like the guy but he’s a few notches below halladay and lee (and a few other true Ace’s) – nothing wrong with my opinion as I’m sure there is nothing wrong with however you view CC..

    Upstate Kate – citing “wins” (or losses) is probably the worst way to gauge who is an ace and who isn’t – just look at felix hernandez – he’s the odds on favorite to win the cy young and he was 1 game above 500 in the W-L column..

    CC has been bad for about a month now (minus one start) and especially bad his 2 postseason starts – halladay gave up 4 runs in 7 innings his last start (not great but good enough) and the start before that one he PITCHED A NO HITTER – (psst….his second one this year)…so please don’t go comparing sabathia to halladay..

    ET – what you wrote is exactly why cc is a pseudo ace….

  47. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    as you said, only people that fear burnett would have made that switch,
    ================================================
    And who doesn’t?
    you have faith in AJ?
    i have a bridge i’d like to sell you.

  48. Chambliss October 20th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    One of the things that makes baseball fun is the endless second guessing over the details.

  49. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Ok Joe – too bad you didn’t treat yesterday as a big game.

    I would pitch Andy on short rest in game 6 and I think they will do that. They’re not going to say otherwise because (a) there may not be one and (b) he wants Phil to be positive going into tonight.

  50. Wave Your Hat October 20th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    The Yanks should have gone after Murphy.

    If there had been less than two outs, then maybe you walk him, but with two outs and Murphy the go ahead run, you don’t walk him. If you are scared he’s going to get a hit, bring in Logan, that’s what Logan is for, and force Washington to go to Francouer.

    But you don’t put Murphy on, not with an inconsistent pitcher like AJ on the mound.

  51. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    I don’t think it was unwise to keep AJ in there, he was able to limit the trouble in most of the previous innings. Who is to say that the bullpen would have held the game at 3-2..we never scored any more runs and they scored 5 off our BP and what seems like 20 in the past 2 games.

  52. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    If they use Phil in the pen, which I think they will, it means they want Andy in game 6, my premise all along.

  53. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Washington will most assuredly go for the jugular today. He learned his lesson in Game 1. Genius Girardi, who is very fortunate there even is a Game 5, will wet his pants and make all kinds of herky jerky moves.

  54. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    CR9 October 20th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    Erica ? You are obviously a lunatic. Somebody is trying to get me banned from the blog, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was you. Nick has never ?spoken out against me,? so your reasoning is flawed, as are you.
    ************

    I have said my piece.

    I can post a list of thing you have done. Do you really want that?

    All 9 other players in my fantasy league can attest to your handy work.

    Why don’t you just be quiet now

  55. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Joe did not say he’d have a quick hook with CC – that’s Chad. All Joe said was that Mo and would could be used unconventionally – that could mean many different things.

    Please – CC is not an ace? Wow.

  56. Tyler October 20th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    I see the Yanks are playing the Aaron Boone, Bucky Dent card. Babe, Bucky, Boone….. Berkman?

  57. munson15 October 20th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    It must be great to sit at your computer the day after, and make all the right moves.

  58. Tyler October 20th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    munson15 October 20th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    It must be great to sit at your computer the day after, and make all the right moves.
    ——————————-

    I went 162-0 this year and haven’t been fired in my entire career.

  59. munson15 October 20th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    And CC is not a true ace? Very intelligent comment.

  60. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    mick – having faith in AJ from an external POV is meaningless.

    i DO have faith that the yankee brass wouldn’t put him on the mound if he wasn’t ready to go, and he was ready to go last night by all accounts. aside from 2 pitches…

    i don’t live my life in hindsight, second guessing people when it’s convenient for me… as some around here seemingly live for.

    side note…

    people are also taking what girardi said way too far. look at what he actually said…

    “I don’t think you can hesitate to make a move,” Girardi said. “If you have to use Woody and Mo somewhat unconventionally today, you’ve got to do it.”

    How does that imply that CC is on a short leash? how does it imply that burnett had a “long leash”? it would be the first long leash in the 5th inning in the history of baseball i think…

    what manager on the planet would NOT manage an elimination game differently (other than torre…)?

    all it means is that without a win, there is no tomorrow… an no player on the roster will be unavailable in that quest…

  61. munson15 October 20th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Tyler..LOL

  62. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I recommend time off from the blog for an extended period, a month will do, for those who are tiring of the nonsense.

    I have tried it and it works.

  63. Tyler October 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    CC is absolutely an ace. 21-7 with a sub 3.50 ERA is an ace in my book especially in the AL East. According to your definition the only aces in baseball would be Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay. Those two are great but CC is a horse and an ace. If he didn’t sign with the Yanks they would be worse than the Blue Jays.

  64. upstate kate October 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Sorry but I mentioned other things about CC besides his W/L record. Do I think he is as good as Lee or Halladay? No. Do I think he is an ace? Most definitely. Even Halladay struggled his last time out, and, as you know, HR are totally on a pitcher.

  65. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    mick – i’ve been gone since late august, it’s no better :p

  66. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Murphy’s a nice player, but Joe gets scared of too many non-superstar players.

    Jack, agreed – ridiculous comments.

    Scratch Andy 6 and CC 7 -as CC is not pitching on 2 days rest, lol

  67. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    i don’t live my life in hindsight, second guessing people when it’s convenient for me… as some around here seemingly live for.
    ===========================
    Look ID-
    This is not about 2nd guessing.
    If I were managing I pull him after 5.2, that’s all.
    No question .
    He gave a good outing , leave it at that.
    I still think the results would have been better.

  68. Tyler October 20th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    CR9 October 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    CC is the most valuable ace in baseball. Aside from maybe Cliff Lee.
    —————————

    You know I’m a huge CC fan but Roy Halladay says hello.

  69. Chambliss October 20th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    An unconventional approach last night would have been bringing in Wood to get out of the 6th. His curve has been unhittable lately.

    mick-If today’s game does not go well, I could be taking my month off starting this afternoon.

  70. Tyler October 20th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Why would you want Andy 6 and CC 7…. Just last week people were anointing Hughes as the chosen one after his shutout against the Twins… Your opinions have changed that much over 1 start? I love how everybody is so patient with the progression of a starter here…. Roy Halladay was in A Ball reworking his delivery at Hughes’ age.

  71. Chambliss October 20th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Second guessing is a fundamental part of being a baseball fan.

    I am batting 1.000 as a second guesser.

  72. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    If you take out every plate attempt n which Roy Halladay faced a pitcher this season, CC Sabathia had a better slash line against.

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  73. raymagnetic October 20th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

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    With that said however, yesterday is history. Win today and find a way to win the next two games and nobody cares about any non moves that were made.

  74. mick October 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

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  75. Tyler October 20th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    LGY-

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  77. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Tyler, what does Roy Halladay have to do with anything? Clearly we can’t go that route anyway as CC is obviously not pitching on 2 days rest.

  78. mick October 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

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  79. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Halladay is the best – I’d take him over anyone, over Lee – over anyone.

  80. mick October 20th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

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  81. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

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    I posted the actual numbers about week ago when some people were saying how much better Doc and Timmy are.

    I’m on my phone right now so I can’t repost them. But maybe you can :)

  82. BIG AL October 20th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    It’s good to see nothing has changed.

    CR9 still going after good posters.

    The naysayers, most of whom gave up on the Yankees 2 months ago, are still here trying to convince us all why the Yankees have no chance of winning.

    Me, I’m rooting for CC and the Yankees to rebound this afternoon with a win, and take this back to Texas, on our way to a great upset victory.

    Until the 27th out of their final game, I’ll believe in my team, even if others can’t or won’t.

    So, continue to bash the team and players you profess to love, and be fans of, I’ll just sit on the side and cheer for the greatest baseball team there is, the NEW YORK YANKEES!

  83. Yank 97 October 20th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

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    Lee… nothing else needs to be said about him.

    CC is an ace, a horse, everything. He just isn’t as good as those 2. And like someone above mentioned, the superior command is the reason why.

  84. Bring in the Goose October 20th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

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    You would have had to have Wood up earlier in that inning in order to bring him in to face Molina!

    The bullpen phone is not 911. It’s instead like calling Roto Rooter – it’s gonna take some time for them to get there.

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    side note…

    people are also taking what girardi said way too far. look at what he actually said…

    “I don’t think you can hesitate to make a move,” Girardi said. “If you have to use Woody and Mo somewhat unconventionally today, you’ve got to do it.”

    How does that imply that CC is on a short leash?*************************************

    I think i’ve beaten this cc thing to death but IMO you have to read between the lines on what girardi said…case in point..

    “If you have to use Woody and Mo somewhat unconventionally today, you’ve got to do it.” – what does that mean? Well Wood and MO usually pitch 1 inning at a time right? They arguably have been the best 2 relievers the last month right? Using them unconventionally means what using them 2 innings each? fair assumption? So if you’re going to use them 2 innings each thats 4 innings…there is usually 9 innings in a game so 9-4 = 5 – so subconsciously he is ready to use his 2 best relief pitchers after the 5th inning if he needs it (what ace is leaned upon to hopefully go only 5 innings?)…so that means he’s at least hoping for cc to pitch 5 innings and then possibly lose it…..you think charlie manual or ron washington go to an interview saying that c*ap about halladay or lee? i don’t think so….

    just for the record i hope cc goes out today and pitches a 9 inning 2 hit shutout – but hope and expectation are 2 very different things…

  86. Chambliss October 20th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Halladay is great, but there is a reason he went to the National League. His time facing American League lineups, particularly the Yankees, Boston and Tampa, was starting to take a toll. All three teams were starting to hit him.

    Remember, Javy was one of the top 5, perhaps top 3 pitchers in the National League in 2009, and he could not even stay in the roation for the Yankees this year.

  87. Bring in the Goose October 20th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    AJ had to go after Murphy there.

    A homerun, while unlikely, would still have only given Texas a 1 run lead.

    Wait…that would have been enough anyway! :-0

  88. Bronx Jeers October 20th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    “Im sick of these baseless accusations.”

    I’m pretty sure Ted Bundy said the same thing word for word.

    Eduardo/CR9,

    Your lies are starting to fall apart. You should quit before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

  89. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    CNTG – he did say “IF” you have to use woody and mo…

    which would mean IF he doesn’t have to, he won’t… it does not imply that he’s expecting to pitch them for 4 innings of the game.

  90. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    new thread :arrow:

    Just win today!
    (Seriously)

  91. munson15 October 20th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

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  92. Irreverent Discourse October 20th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    goose – i think the only reason they didn’tgo after murphy is because he had already shown success against burnett (and had a HR off him this year already). we know girardi loves those matchups. it might be over-managing it, but it is certainly not a wrong move.

    molina bats like .230… there is no fear of attacking a hitter like that instead of a lefty (short porch)

  93. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    halladay lost game 1 of the nlcs… bottom line hallady is great but he can be beaten like any starter…

    cc is an ace not as good as halladay but a very good pitcher.

    why argue over semantics…

    burnett should have been pulled for 1 reason, he does not deserve the trust of anyone even though he”HAS GREAT STUFF’. because great stuff means jack sh-t.

    aj is what he is a underachieving loser hillbilly punk………..10 and 15 on a 95 win team, he is darrel rasner or ed whitson or matt desalvo. that is who he is and he is 32 and hs had the “great stuff” for 10 years……..

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    Use any combination of starters / relievers to get through a Game 4 except for using Burnett.
    Even with a broken hand Kevin Brown could be trusted as much as Burnett.

  96. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes October 20th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Those of you criticizing Girardi’s managerial tactics: this whole team is responsible for how terrible they’ve played so far. The players are not getting it done. Period. Very few of the hitters have shown up in the ALCS despite numerous opportunities to step on Texas’ throat.

    We are being outplayed in pretty much every aspect of the game up to this point. The only people who I’ll applaud thus far are Pettitte, Cano, and Rivera.

  97. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes October 20th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

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    “Even with a broken hand Kevin Brown could be trusted as much as Burnett.”

    That is one of the worst things I’ve ever read…you’re trusting Kevin Brown over Burnett in the WS?

    Burnett looked great for 5 innings last night. Had that fat id__t let Gardner catch that ball we’d probably be tied 2-2 right now. Little things aren’t going our way and for all of Burnett’s struggles this season, he did reasonably well last night…can’t ask too much more from your 4th starter.

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