Schedule for ALCS Game 5
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 20, 2010 
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1:00 p.m. Gates open to the public
1:30-2:30 p.m. Yankees batting practice
2:30-3:20 p.m. Rangers batting practice
3:53 p.m. Presentation of Colors: Navy Operation Support Center New York City
3:54 p.m. National Anthem: Kelli O’Hara
3:58 p.m. Ceremonial first pitch: Aaron Boone and Bucky Dent
4:02 p.m. Umpires and Managers to home plate
4:05 p.m. Yankees take the field
4:07 p.m. First pitch
* Michael Minarik will perform God Bless America during the seventh-inning stretch.
0 Days, 5 Hours, and 1 Minute until Game 5 of the ALCS
3:58 p.m. Ceremonial first pitch: Aaron Boone and Bucky Dent
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Good choice.
The Yankees can use a little bit of the magic from both those guys right now
30 minutes left for GTLU
If Girardi stays home I think they have a better chance of winning.
8 hours until the Yankees win..CC pitches a gem and the bats come alive!!
No, Betsy, of course they’re not going to do that.
Sigh.
But they can discuss in-game strategy in a generalized way.
GTLU-
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Arod 3B
Berkman 1B
Thames DH
Posada C
Granderson CF
Gardner LF
MLB_PR Yankees haven?t lost 3 straight home games in same postseason since ’42
SJ, I don’t see it……………What’s Cash going to do? Sit by him in games and tell him when he’s making a bad move? I don’t blame him for how this series currently stands, but I really don’t want him back. I don’t trust him to not screw up.
And -
I don’t believe it was just addressing the media that was at issue in 2008. It was also about being on the same page regarding injuries and the like (chain of command-type things). And if I recall correctly, there was a story about Girardi himself going in with a binder of things he could improve. I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that he himself will review his decisions from this season and look areas where he could have done better.
The pining for Damon & Matsui is funny.
You guys do realize that if they stayed, we’d be watching the 2010 version of those players and not the 2009 version. The 2010 version wasn’t very good.
Why not ask Reggie to suit up? He had a great past postseason too, and he’s with the team.
Doreen, I have no idea what you’re talking about but whatever it is, I’m sure that’s an insulting comment, so I don’t even care what you’re talking about.
for the 10 millionth time, girardi isnt the problem. Our power lineup not hitting is the problem. The bad starting pitching is one thing, but the hitting is out of girardi’s control.
someone here is being rude….take your pick.
What insult?
I said of course they won’t sit down and go game by game and say “you should have done this, you should have done that.” And i sighed.
And I said they could discuss strategy in a generalized way.
Where’s the insult?
The comment about Posada striking out in his pinch-hit appearance, LOL.
Anyone who’s going to use that pinch-hit AB as justification for not playing Posada, really doesn’t get it. You do realize, when Posada pinch hit, he was forced to bat righty, right??
And even then, cold off the bench, he worked to a 3-2 count off the lefty Holland, and guys who had been in the game couldn’t even toch that slider.
4 primary reasons to start Posada:
1). Texas’ Number 4 pitcher,
2). He’s a right-hander
3). the right-field porch at Yankee Stadium
4). Posada batting lefty
This series is being lost because Girardi is sitting on his hands waiting for the 3 run hr reminiscent of Joe Torre. Girardi forgets that even though he got an otherworldly performance from Arod last year he still made the Yankees the most aggressive team on the field in EVERY game. I don’t think the Yankees have had a single H&R or bunt attempt for a hit in this series. Nor has one player had a swing where they were attempting to hit behind the runner. Teams get on rolls when they realize they don’t have to get big hits to score runs – that’s when big HRs happen.
ac1 says:
October 20, 2010 at 11:07 am
for the 10 millionth time, girardi isnt the problem. Our power lineup not hitting is the problem. The bad starting pitching is one thing, but the hitting is out of girardi’s control.
I agree. It’s not Girardi’s fault that this is an aging roster….roster has to get younger…
Cash followed in the footsteps of his hero Theo and did it the Boston Way by letting go and reinventing.
ac1 October 20th, 2010 at 11:07 am
for the 10 millionth time, girardi isnt the problem. Our power lineup not hitting is the problem. The bad starting pitching is one thing, but the hitting is out of girardi?s control.
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ac1, I agree. The real problem is the players not performing up to their abilities (except Robbie
Doreen, what are you talking about? You make one comment in this thread referencing nothing – I’m supposed to know what the heck you’re talking about?
“No Betsy, of course they aren’t going to do that” – do what ?
Then a little sigh..
I don’t like being talked down to or lectured,
Girardi is the manager, it’s his team, he makes out the lineups, he decides what pitcher faces what hitter, when to bunt, steal, sit players, hit and run and on and on. It’s his responsibility.
Girard is not the right manager for this team anymore. His dour personality, snarky defensiveness and poor decision making have all become glaring weaknesses.
He cost this team numerous games this year throwing AAA lineups out there for important series, like Tampa at the beginning of August. To what end? So Posada could sit last night? So A-Rod could hit .133? So his well rested team could be outscored 18-3 the last two games at home?
And then there is his incessant mixing and matching, making moves a binder says are right, but that common baseball sense says are wrong, his unwillingness to bunt, hit and run, steal, take chances, be aggressive, play some small ball now and then to make things happen. Instead, he would wait for someone to hit a big fly.
He has no clue how to use Gardner and Granderson’s speed to his advantage, where to put them in the lineup and how to manufacture runs with them. Even against poor catchers like Martinez and others this year, they would just stand there on base waiting for Teixeira or someone else to come up with a big hit.
Last night you saw what a good manager does, Washington took his starter out after 3.1 innings before he gave up the store, unlike Girardi who stuck with Burnett for 6 and paid the price in spades.
Girardi is not the worst manager in baseball. But he is nowhere near the best. This team and Yankee fans deserve better.
So whats up with pretty good tickets for todays game for as low as $23 bucks. People just bailing and trying to recieve enough money back for a liter of vodka or what.
That’s weak fans. Go to the game cheer and lets hope to not get completely embarrassed. Get this thing back to Texas and see what happens.
Betys -
It was in response to your post in the prior thread. I didn’t copy & paste your entry. So sue me.
I wasn’t lecturing. I was disagreeing.
yankeefeminista October 20th, 2010 at 11:10 am
The comment about Posada striking out in his pinch-hit appearance, LOL.
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the point is not about starting posada. it’s about when to pinch hit him.
Everyone here that questions girardi’s decisions automatically assumes there’s is right.\
PH posada in the 4th becuase he would have done better than cervelli.
start andy game 2 and it definitely would have been 2-0.
It’s ridiculous that all of you in hindsight makes these observations and act like whatever you say should happen would have been successful
The offense has been in a funk for the past two months. Dire straits aside, I don’t see them flipping a switch against good pitching. They’ve been muddling about and Hunter had nothing last night and the Yanks couldn’t capitalize. I’m not saying the Yanks don’t have to tools to win. They do. But these players aren’t performing and that’s it. And despite what happened in the ALDS – even then, they just happened to feast on bad pitching. Pavano? Duensing? Meh.
They don’t have it this year. I don’t know what happened… how Girardi managed to just turn off this machine, or maybe they’re all just beat up? I don’t know – but what’s apparently is that they don’t have the ability to hit and hit in key situations. That is a recipe for disaster no matter who’s pitching.
I don’t think age is much of an issue. If they hit only like they did during the regular season against the not-cliff-lee pitchers, they would be fine. But several hitters are just doing close to nothing. Couple that with bad starts by CC and Phil, plus one bad pitch, and here you are.
I don’t like being talked down to or lectured,
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I actually agree with Betsy on that one.
I’d bring Girardi back because I think overall there’s a lot more good than bad and I don’t think the Yanks could replace him with anyone likely to be better.
But, I don’t look for him to change much. Is he going to reconsider his fondness for weak-hitting catchers? I don’t think so. Is he going to quit becoming “Mr. Small Ball” once the post-season rolls around? I don’t think so. Is he going to resist the urge to change pitchers once too often? I don’t think so. Is he going to decide to actually use Mo instead of letting him sit uselessly out in the bullpen until the rules-blessed save situation crops up? I don’t think so. Is he suddenly going to become more open with the media about what his intentions are? I don’t think so.
Will he learn to smile more often? Maybe.
WC, he rested Alex in Texas and then played him, what, 16 consecutive games at the end of the season? He played most of his players in the DH in Boston………….barely used Mitre the last few weeks and then pitched him last night. Why? Mitre is a long man, he’s not supposed to be a guy that holds down a close game.
i agree unknown, at least try to go and make the team win. Nothing is impossible, especially after ’04.
Well, the bad start by CC was overcome, so bad start by Phil + Cliff Lee + Bengie Molina getting lucky + terrible hitting.
And even so …………..Mitre instead of Moseley, who saved game 1?
He cost this team numerous games this year throwing AAA lineups out there for important series, like Tampa at the beginning of August. To what end? So Posada could sit last night? So A-Rod could hit .133? So his well rested team could be outscored 18-3 the last two games at home?
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The rest was not only Girardi’s idea. They make organizational decisions.
As for the speed of Gardner. Gardner has the green light to steal everytime he is on base.
Gardner needs to learn how to bunt and stop getting into 0-2 holes.
It is just stupid blaming Girardi for all of the Yankees problems.
and i would love to know, who does everyone thing should replace girardi, if he is so bad for this team?
Will he learn to smile more often? Maybe.
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Damon made him smile.
Well, Mo is certainly well-rested.
Girardi will be brought back because he is a good corporate lackey who does Cashman and Hal’s bidding. He doesn’t make waves.
I wasn’t lecturing. I was disagreeing.
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Catfight!!!
“PH posada in the 4th becuase he would have done better than cervelli.
start andy game 2 and it definitely would have been 2-0.
It’s ridiculous that all of you in hindsight makes these observations and act like whatever you say should happen would have been successful”
This completely misses the point. You don’t judge the decision by the outcome, you judge it by the likelihood of what the outcome will be.
Clearly, two out, two on in the fourth, Posada had a greater chance to positively impact the score than Cervelli. Plus, there was a pretty good chance AJ wasn’t going to pitch much longer.
Seemed like a no-brainer to me.
Girardi is the manager.
You want to know why the sigh, Betsy? This is why. You said this team wasn’t in the business of improving its managers. I pointed out that after the 2008 season, they did in fact sit down with Girardi. This was your response:
“Cash addressed issues with how Joe handled the media. What’s he going to do, sit down and explain to him why you pull AJ or don’t pull Robertson? He’s going to go down an itemized listed and check off all the bad moves or non-moves Joe made? That’s not going to happen – and it can’t.”
Two things: One: You are always so POSITIVE “that’s not going to happen – and it can’t.” You know that for sure? and Two: “What’s he going to do, sit down and explain to him why you pull AJ or don’t pull Robertson?” You tell me who’s talking down to whom, Betsy.
Of course the players are more to blame than Joe–however–he is not putting them in a position to win close games because of bad decision making. Notice how Washington took out Hunter before he blew up.
Furthermore, I think Eiland needs to shoulder some of the blame here. Why can none of our pitchers make adjustments from game to game? Why are their mechanical problems persistent and not corrected.
And I won’t absolve Cash either for some of the offseason moves. Their failure in this series is a top to bottom failure. Everyone is responsible, not just the players.
ac1 October 20th, 2010 at 11:16 am
yankeefeminista October 20th, 2010 at 11:10 am
The comment about Posada striking out in his pinch-hit appearance, LOL.
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the point is not about starting posada. it’s about when to pinch hit him.
Everyone here that questions girardi’s decisions automatically assumes there’s is right.\
PH posada in the 4th becuase he would have done better than cervelli.
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Hindsight has nothing to do with my comment.
Posada should have started, period. As for pinch-hitting him early, obviously the more ABs he gets , the better for us.
Girardi squandered a chance to bring a lefty with slug at home because he insists on partnering AJ with Cervelli. Posada also works the count, even when he doesn’t get on. He’s just a dangerous hitter batting lefty in the Stadium.
That’s history, not hindsight.
mick -
Please stay out of this.
Doreen
Too early in the day for you to be “audibly” sighing.
You can’t win the WS every year–it’s really hard and nobody has repeated since 2000. There’s a reason why, as has been beaten to death above and in previous posts.
The PS is all about pitching. Period. It’s not an excuse, but the 7 day layoff did something to CC and Hughes. The experiment continues today–if they pitch well, then the layoff was some of the problem. A game 7 would be really neat to see…
When nobody hits, the pitching needs to be perfect. This is like April all over again for this team. Doesn’t mean they can’t win.
Chalk this up to a learning experience for everyone, manager included. I know the Cubs job was Joe’s dream, but for now he’s likely the Yankee manager for the next two years, unless he retires because he can’t take the pressure. He played for this club, and was the bench coach, so I’m not sure he didn’t know the score going in.
My only issue going forward is the aging of Jeter, Posada, and to a lesser extent ARod and even Mo. When you’re managing a team like a nursing home at times, it benefits nobody.
Right I mean sometimes I really hate Yankee fans. I mean I think they are for the most part the greatest fans in the world, heck I am a huge Yankee fan. But the spoiled brat mentality of when things get tough and some so called fans just give up is pathetic.
Happens on this blog all the time.
A win today and you extend the series in hopes of witnessing one of the greatest series comebacks of all time. But no these whiny fans just Give Up. Totally Disgusting.
Betsy-Joe punted last night’s game when it went to 7-3 and the Yankees failed to score again with the bases loaded and less than two outs. That is why Mitre was in there.
As I said earlier, the beauty of being down 3-1 is no more punting. You play for today. That’s it. No more Mitre, Cervelli, Logan et al. Today’s pen should include Hughes and Andy, even if it means that one of them is not available for the next start. There is no playing for tomorrow or the next day.
Short of risking long term harm to one of the pitchers, you play today like it is game 7. All hands on deck, including AJ. They can rest in November.
No way you should be able to get in Yankee Stadium today for less than $50. This is the ALCS for crying out loud.
start andy game 2 and it definitely would have been 2-0.
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whoever said this was correct.
is it on girardi or cashman?
Starting andy in game 2 gave us a better chance of winning game 2, any bookie would tell you that and so would your gut.
up 2-0, makes it 2-2 now NOT 3-1.
Managing should be easy today, even for Girardi. CC to Mo.
when the starting pitching gets the team into a deep hole, sometimes before they even come to bat, it must be hard to play small ball
and who is this perfect manager out there?
LaRussa/Sochia(I know this is spelled wrong)/Francona/Torre who didn’t even get their teams to the play offs
Maddon, who threw out so many different line ups it would make your head spin? and brought out the wrong reliever in an important game?
Gardenhire (one of my favorites, BTW) who couldn’t get his team past the Yankees yet again? Dusty Baker whose team imploded? same for Bobby Cox?
I am not saying Girardi hasn’t made mistakes, he certainly has, no doubt about it. I am just not seeing that perfect manager out there
Sorry, pat.
What they should do is have Paul Oneil throw out the first pitch then have him ceremonially bust a few water coolers….
He cost this team numerous games this year throwing AAA lineups out there for important series, like Tampa at the beginning of August. To what end? So Posada could sit last night? So A-Rod could hit .133? So his well rested team could be outscored 18-3 the last two games at home?
WCYF
You make some fair, if controversial, points about Girardi’s management – or lack of it. It infuriated me too that he sat players when we needed them to play (notably in Tampa) and played them when we needed them to sit (notably the last series in Boston). I don’t think he has handled the team very well this year but the old adage that managers can only cost you games, not win them, is probably true. The reason we’re 3-1 down is that with the exception of Andy P, the starting pitching has been poor, the hitherto reliable bullpen has imploded, and, perhaps most surprising of all, our star-studded offense has been sterile. In the end, it all comes down to the players and when you look at these stats – A-Rod 2-15, Swisher 1-15, Tex 0-14, Gardner 3-12, Posada 2-12, Granderson 2-11 – it’s not hard to see why barring a miracle, we won’t be going to the World Series again this year.
I just noticed – Kelli O’Hara singing the Anthem today. She’s got a beautiful voice.
whoever said this was correct.
is it on girardi or cashman?
Starting andy in game 2 gave us a better chance of winning game 2, any bookie would tell you that and so would your gut.
up 2-0, makes it 2-2 now NOT 3-1.
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I disagree with that. Hughes has pitched lights out vs. Texas this year and for his career. And your continued insistence with 2-2 and 3-1 is based on your idea that we automatically lose to Lee and win with Pettitte.
Have you watched the offense? No guarantee your scenario happens.
girardi is neither a bad manager or a good manager he is about avg. he gives aj burnett extra leeway because aj has come thru once in 2 years but he has”great stuff”… not pinch running golson instead of thames like another poster mentioned last night shows girardi should spend less time tending to injured players during the game and more time thinking things thru. pinch run golson for tex. after all he is faster the nthams, a better fielder also, and you can pinch hit thames if you so desire in 9 spots or less. huge mistake? no. but shows he was snot thinking ahead.
why not pitch logan to murphy in the 6th? why not have him up? why pitch mitre in the 9th? serves no purpose unless the pen was overworked and mosely has not pitched in 3 days. mosely is the better mop up guy so do not throw out mo or wood but why mitre?
bottom line is the yanks offensively have done almost nothing. they have had a ton of opportunites. but tex, swisher, arod, jeter(1 real good game), and others have done zilch.
cano, grandy, and berkman hav hit the ball hard that’s it..
let’s review 1 more move. cervelli caught yesterday for jorge so aj dimwit would feel comftorable…. how did that work out? yep jorge is sliding he is 39 but how did cervelli work out? he got out on 1 pitch first ab for a 7 pitch inning for the ranger starter… next ab looked at strike 3 right down the middle with men on base. cervelli had a pass ball and did basically nothing. how have the 2 great minds of aj and francisco done together? 1 and 7 the last 2 months, etc. serves no purpose. if aj was pitching well aboslutely but if you did not notice he hasn’t and did not last night. the molina pitch last night cannot be replaced.. aj gave of 5 runs in 6 innings a typical aj start for the ultimate tease……..he can be proud of his start but his reality is fantasyland. he failed….
The difference is this. Girardi has a $210 million dollar team to manage. Gardenhire does not, no other manager does.
upstate kate October 20th, 2010 at 11:29 am
when the starting pitching gets the team into a deep hole, sometimes before they even come to bat, it must be hard to play small ball
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kate, I agree. I remember seeing a quote from Alex last month about how it’s hard to come out and play with an edge when you’re down 6 runs in the third inning (paraphrasing).
Guess the Line Up is Now Closed.
Thank you for playing.
Just got back into work. Was anyone else at that game last night? I’ve never seen so many fan ejections ever. Toward the end people were getting kicked out for swearing (at least thats how it seemed).
To all the Girardi defenders – forget about the last three innings. Here’s the situation: AJ is nearing 100 pitches, and just gave up a single. Now he was just told to intentionally walk someone, (who cares who it is) something you KNOW irks him. Is it the right call to leave him in? … I don’t care if Automatic McOuts is next in the line up – AJ will find a way to give up runs. That’s typical AJ. He pitched well, but needs to be kept on a short leash. We knew that before the game started.
We were SO LUCKY to get the 5 innings from him we did. He should of been pulled that inning before giving up the HR. The loss, IMO, is on Girardi.
blake October 20th, 2010 at 11:31 am
What they should do is have Paul Oneil throw out the first pitch then have him ceremonially bust a few water coolers?.
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how have the 2 great minds of aj and francisco done together?
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Now that is funny.
O’Neill throwing out the 1st pitch is a good idea.
Too bad nobody will be there to see it.
Tix on StubHub for $30, plenty of em.
Again, Phil pitched off a longer layoff against the Twins – I don’t buy it at all.
Straw, I think Phil said he recognized he had poor arm angle/slot in the TX game; I admit that Eiland should have caught that. Phil seems to have these issues quite a bit for someone who supposedly repeats his mechanics so well. That said, I’m not blaming Eiland for his ace going out there and pitching badly – nor Phil either. Phil has had plenty of games like game 2 this season – Eiland can’t pitch for him…..or CC or anyone else.
aj again did not pitch well. he gave up a 3 run jack to a bad player on a first pitch fastball for a guy known to sit dead red. he also missed his spot by a 18 inches or more.
AJ DID NOT PITCH WELL. thru 5 the hillbilly pitched better then expected but remember the expectations are ed whitson low. bottom line AJ FAILED.
Doreen
Sorry? Completely understandable just not worth the frustration. You have in-laws and children for that.
I don’t really want a manager who preferred to be elsewhere.
As I said earlier, the beauty of being down 3-1 is no more punting. You play for today. That’s it. No more Mitre, Cervelli, Logan et al. Today’s pen should include Hughes and Andy, even if it means that one of them is not available for the next start. There is no playing for tomorrow or the next day.
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If we take it as far as a Game 7, maybe even AJ can get a couple of outs for us.
It’s unfortunate, he was left in last night a little too long. But he pitched his heart out. It’s shameful that at the Stadium, you could hear people booing him. As soon as Vlad got that hit, we were all buzzing that Girardi should have said, “Good outing,” slapped him on the back, and brought in another arm.
who knows where girardi wants to manage. who cares. if he leaves the yanks will be fine again he is avg. he loves to walk batters to get to matchups and sometimes they work and sometimes they do not.
he is seduced by the hillbillys”stuff” and falls in and out of love with certain pen members.
he is a average manager…
Thanks, pat. You’re right, of course.
I have limited patience in certain circumstances.
I need a vacation.
It definitely would have been 2-0? I doubt it – we barely escaped game 1. The Yankees trusted Phil to pitch a good game and wanted Andy lined up for game 7. Phil failed miserably, but that’s not Joe’s fault.
“UnKnown says:
October 20, 2010 at 11:26 am
No way you should be able to get in Yankee Stadium today for less than $50. This is the ALCS for crying out loud.”
Not surprising….the place looked half empty even before the Cruz HR
I hate the “But we have a $200 million payroll and should win” line.
Its completely ridiculous.
How much you make has no correlation to job performance at all
Today is also a 4pm game in October.
People have work and school
aj itched his heart out. really what does that mean? you mean he was trying? so he is suppose to try. he should try because of his profesionalism, pride, and also he is an employee.
girardi should have taken aj out, correct. 18 and einstein behind the plate should have not thrown a fastball and hillbilly on the mound should have thrown the ill advised fastball where it was suppose to go.
i need to be like aj.. underachiev incredibly at my work. giveup or get frustrated on multiple occassions and have it negatively effect my team, and get all this sympathy for absolutely no reason.
poor aj……..
Jeter and Cano have been the only two that have been able to hit in this series, not counting the Lee game. I dont really see them putting Cano in the 3 spot cause when Tex was out last time they put the DH in the 3 spot.
“How much you make has no correlation to job performance at all”
Well hopefully it does or we need to rethink this whole capitalism thing.
but michael kay said it was over
@stuart You manage the players you have effectively. You do what it takes to win. If AJ is a mental case and gets all pissy after giving up a single and then being told to walk someone (which he does), you manage around it. Take him out. He missed his spot after that – surprised? No. It’s not his fault that he was left in too long. He DID miss the spot, and that’s his failure – but he shouldn’t of been throwing the pitch in the first place.
We stayed to the last bitter out
, and a group of us in main started a “let’s go yankees” chant in the bottom of the eighth.
That hard-core group never gave up, but as far as people leaving early, what else is new since the new Stadium was built. Even up in Grandstand, at NYS, you see empty seats for every playoff game. Never would have happened in OYS, not in postseason.
I just want to freakin’ SCREAM.
Pittsburgh Yankee Fan -
You KNOW FOR A FACT that Girardi wanted to be in Chicago? You know this HOW?
And of course someone jumps on this piece of brilliance to bring it to the most absurd extreme.
Cano should bat third. And do you go with Kearns or Berkman?
Wave Your Hat October 20th, 2010 at 11:44 am
?How much you make has no correlation to job performance at all?
Well hopefully it does or we need to rethink this whole capitalism thing.
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No.. it really doesn’t
I don’t know what you do, but if your boss doubled your pay would that guarantee him/her you would do your job any better???
The Yankees trusted Phil to pitch a good game and wanted Andy lined up for game 7.
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This was et up to be a 6 game series, not 7 with Lee ready.
Win it in 6. Why is that so hard to understand.
Andy in the 6th game, not newnie Phil which means Andy in game 2.
Who’s decision was this, I’d like to know.
GTLU
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
ARod 3B
Posada C
Thames DH
Granderson CF
Berkman 1B
Gardner LF
Thank you.
Bob October 20th, 2010 at 11:44 am
but michael kay said it was over
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LOL
Perfect solution-if the Yankees don’t advance to the WS (and I still think they can) everybody just blame Michael Kay.
Murphy should not have been walked. If Girardi was so worried about him, isn’t that what Logan is for?
I don’t particularly like Colin Cowherd, but he hit the nail on the head this morning with respect to the Yankees.
To paraphrase: They look old, tired, slow, and not at all hungry — just the opposite of Texas. The fan base is largely corporate and devoid of energy. Can’t believe they can’t fill the stadium.
None of these comments are new or surprising. Just like the team isn’t new or surprising.
With normal rest, C.C. gives the Yankees a chance to win today [provided] he gets run support and fan suport in the seats. Scratch and claw for runs …… whatever it takes.
Also on normal rest is Phil and Andy if the series continues in Texas.
Above all, timely hitting and no stranding of runners with less than 2 outs.
Michael Kay’s face is plastered on the Texas lockerroom walls.
THIS SERIES IS OVER!!!!
Thanks Mike.
Then he defends himself with, “Well it was my opinion.”
getting cliff Lee will be a fait of complee, right Michael Kay and Bob Lorenz ?
“I don’t know what you do, but if your boss doubled your pay would that guarantee him/her you would do your job any better???”
I assume if my boss doubled my pay it was because I was worth it and he wanted to keep me in the expectation I would perform at the level at which he was paying me.
My boss is a nice guy but not that nice.
Wave Your Hat — exactly. Investment bankers aren’t going to put in 90 – 100 hour weeks if there’s no opportunity for the monster year-end bonus. If you disagree, stand in line behind Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
YankeesPR NYY lineup 10/20 (ALCS GM 5): Jeter 6, Swisher 9, Cano 4, Rodriguez 5, Thanmes DH, Berkman 3, Posada 2, Granderson 8, Gardner 7, Sabathia 1
Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 11:41 am
I hate the “But we have a $200 million payroll and should win” line. Its completely ridiculous.
How much you make has no correlation to job performance at all
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It’s 100% right on the money. Or did they pay A-Rod $30 million dollars this year to hit .133 against Texas? I could go on for a page but won’t.
It was about Girardi. He was given the tools.
wow, they actually put cano in the 3 spot, I guess joe does want to win.
You KNOW FOR A FACT that Girardi wanted to be in Chicago? You know this HOW?
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It’s called an opinion.
We all have them.
They count for nothing.
So what?
Scream if you want to, it’s ok.
I’d rather have Berkman hitting righty than Kearns in the lineup and I also think Berkman is better at his position defensively than Kearns is at his.
stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 11:43 am
aj itched his heart out. really what does that mean? you mean he was trying? so he is suppose to try. he should try because of his profesionalism, pride, and also he is an employee.
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I’m not sure what your point is? Who said anything about “trying”? Has nothing to do with “trying.” Chad Gaudin is “trying.” Mitre was “trying” last night when he put the game out of reach.
Pitching his heart out means he was focused and did what he needed to do to get outs. He was getting first-pitch strikes early and was very effective, and considering the importance of the game, and the fact that the team has a commitment to him, it was encouraging to see. No one is taking his contract off our hands.
Okay here’s a little quiz for you.
18-8
Anyone recognize that?
Berkman batting righty?
Crazy.
“We stayed to the last bitter out ”
Same here. I used the empty seats in front of me as noise makers. In the bottom of the eighth I started calling people out for not backing their team up. The people in front of me – who were wearing Burberry scarves and never cheered – did not appreciate being heckled.
i know 19-8 was the score we beat Boston in game 3, 2004.
started calling people out for not backing their team up. The people in front of me – who were wearing Burberry scarves and never cheered – did not appreciate being heckled.
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Corporate tourist fans.
Wave Your Hat October 20th, 2010 at 11:50 am
?I don’t know what you do, but if your boss doubled your pay would that guarantee him/her you would do your job any better????
I assume if my boss doubled my pay it was because I was worth it and he wanted to keep me in the expectation I would perform at the level at which he was paying me.
My boss is a nice guy but not that nice.
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Well, thats exactly it.
Your boss set your salary to attract you to that company and gives you raises based on performance to retain you as an employee.
If your boss set your salary too high and you couldn’t live up to the expectations- it would lead to your dismissal and your boss made a bad choice. But his paying you more could not guarantee that you would perform any better/worse.
I see the Yankees in the same view. They pay what they pay to attract/retain players. Unfortunately, they can’t control how the players actually perform once they sign the contract
You don’t line up your rotation for a 6 game series when it’s a 7 game series. That’s not how it works.
You want Pettitte in a Game 7 situation so, he pitches Game 3. That was the right call.
Girardi was NEVER going to, or pining for, the Cubs.
Do you know why?
Girardi and Jim Hendry (the Cubs GM) don’t get along.
The Ricketts Family (the new owners of the Cubs) gave Hendry complete autonomy to hire the new manager. Girardi was never going to be the guy.
In fact, had LaRussa not returned in St. Louis, that was Girardi’s job if he wanted it because the Cardinals love him.
That, and not the Cubs job, was the other option for him if things didn’t work out with the Yankees.
Okay, let me start again
19-8. Anyone recognize that? Mick?
Yankeefeminista:
I agree with you about AJ’s performance. It was much better than his line indicates. The first two runs scored without a hit. Did he dominate? No, but he gave them a chance to win. He got the crowd fired up early in the game.
As for Girardi, the guy is a mystery to me. Torre drove me crazy, but he was predictable. Girardi is full of surprises when it comes to the pen. Sometimes he has the quick hook and sometimes he lets guys stay in there too long.
Last night was not the time to build AJ’s confidence. If anything, if he had taken out AJ with a 3-2 lead, that would have been a big confidence boost to me. “AJ, you put us in a position to win, and now I am going with Joba or Wood or whomever.” Instead, he set the guy up to fail, after watching one of the intentional balls almost go over Cervelli’s head.
It’s laughable how Yankees management (from Cashman up) isn’t even mentioned in discussions about how flawed this team is. If you built the team, you are responsible. If you overpay for sub-mediocre talent and/or performance, you are responsible. If you let a team age and become self-satisfied, you are responsible.
Have an appointment to run to…… bye for now
SJ, absolutely. I can’t believe how many people thought (or think now, after the fact) that pitching Phil in game 2 was wrong. How many people thought Phil was going to get smoked? Not many……………Had he pitched well enough to keep the team in the game no one would be saying anything (except Klapisch) because it wouldn’t have been on him had they lost. The fact is, there was no reason to expect Phil to be that bad – road game or not. Unfortunately, that’s what happened.
SJ, while I’m waiting to see if Mick gets the answer, I just want to say how much I appreciated reading your posts this morning, especially this one:
“There is nothing “pathetic” or “embarrassing” about this team.
They also aren’t “losers”.
If they lose this series, which BTW, isn’t over yet, the season isn’t a failure because they “only” got to the ALCS.
For those that think it is, perhaps you need to find another sport to follow.
It’s damn tough to go to the WS. Even tougher to win it.
Ask the Cubs.
The ridiculous, over the top whining from the children is tolerated in the game threads.
It’s not getting spread to the morning crowd.”
Thanks for helping keep the faith here, though I saw you did have a lot of help.
Did you bring the Depends for West Coast Sux Fan? Hopefully he will be SO forlorn when Girardi comes back that he will stick with his real team, the golfing Sux!!!
YankeesPR NYY lineup 10/20 (ALCS GM 5): Jeter 6, Swisher 9, Cano 4, Rodriguez 5, Thanmes DH, Berkman 3, Posada 2, Granderson 8, Gardner 7, Sabathia 1
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why in hell is berkman playing against a lefty and protecting thames instead of jorge??!!??
kearns dead? swish at 1st
Trisha-I am up here in Boston and I am forever reminded of 19-8 and the aftermath. The Rangers are hot, but the Yankees have CC, Hughes and Andy lined up for the next three games. This series is very winnable.
Sorry Felix, you’re too late.
No one guessed today’s lineup correctly.
However, Unknown, jacksquat and blake get honorable mention. Unknown and blake had Berkman and Posada switched; jacksquat put Grandy in front of Posada and Berkman. Good try guys.
Colon Cowherd is full of crap.
EVERY team looks bad when they are losing.
Typical sports radio nonsense.
Just ONCE I want to see a talk show host go into a clubhouse and question a players desire and effect.
Mark Teixiera blew out him hamstring busting it down the line last night. He doesn’t care? Please.
Sometimes, you just get outplayed. That is what’s happening so far.
All the other stuff is just nonsense.
“Or did they pay A-Rod $30 million dollars this year to hit .133 against Texas? ”
The .133 against Texas is on the house. Players salaries cover just the regular season schedule.
New Post: Berkman steps in for Teixeira
mick -
What did I ever do to you?
http://nymag.com/daily/sports/.....reatu.html
Really good take………….that said, I’m not going to blame Yankee fans for not being into it when their team barely was.
“18-8…
19-8. Anyone recognize that?”
I give up. Here’s one for you:
30-11
The question, Betsy, is who would you trust more to win a big game, Phil or Andy?
Since this was a 6 game series, you want Andy in games 2 and 6, not Phil.
Nobody is beating Lee.
Now you can ignore me or take the challenge.
Dang….I was close. Thought Thames would provide more protection for Arod than Berkman hitting righty. I like the lineup but like mine better
Kearns is terrible. Berkman is a former MVP candidate. His #’s are down from the right side, but he can still hit. He hit the ball hard from the right side last night.
Thanks for clearing everything up, SJ44. It’s good to see that your ability to acknowledge and tolerate dissenting points of view hasn’t changed.
Klapisch’s column today was brilliant. It’s nice to read someone who understands baseball nuance.
HEY EVERYBODY!
The Yankees HUMILIATED the Sux in 2004* by going up 3 games to 0, and winning by the score of 19-8.
Anyone remember what happened after that? True, we don’t have a 3-4 combo on milkshakes and pregnancy hormones (we don’t even have a 3-4 combo anymore
) and we don’t have a club drinking Jack Daniels in the clubhouse, and we don’t have NY reporters putting columns with inflammatory remarks about the Yankees at each of their lockers (that’s because they’re the ones writing the inflammatory remarks ha ha). But we have very capable players who came close to winning the AL East despite having a rotation of one!
So put that in your peacepipes and smoke it!
This isn’t a 6 game series.
If you are conceding Game 7, you really shouldn’t be questioning anyone’s baseball smarts.
Guess what?
If the Yankees get this to Game 7 now, they have all the momentum.
You don’t set up a playoff rotation with the idea you can’t win Game 7, regardless of who is on the mound.
That’s just dumb.
“This isn’t a 6 game series.
If you are conceding Game 7, you really shouldn’t be questioning anyone’s baseball smarts.
Guess what?
If the Yankees get this to Game 7 now, they have all the momentum.
You don’t set up a playoff rotation with the idea you can’t win Game 7, regardless of who is on the mound.
That’s just dumb.”
When you’re on, you’re on!
Good to see your childish whining hasn’t changed.
SJ, please take note that negative nellies never change their note. And it ain’t a fragrant one! (isn’t that what they say about whines, I mean wines?)
Trisha,
My last post wasn’t directed at you.
It was the CAYankee fan who is whining as usual.
I just get sick of the crybaby crap.
The Texas Rangers are a very good team.
They deserve to be where they are right now.
It’s not like the Yankees are losing this series to the Pirates.
Short series and anything can happen.
It’s amazing some people can’t comprehend that.
Trisha-
The score in game 3 of the 2004 ALCS. And I would love it if this one turned out the same way. But, I just can’t see it happening.
Oops. I see you had already posted the answer.
SJ I knew that. I hope you noticed though that CAYank has good company in West Coast Sux Fraud. Two peas in a pod.
Straw, come to the next thread. I am unveiling my song of the day.
What’s that sound I hear? Sounds like an ambulance? And whoooooosh. She was gone.
At the end of the day/season, I believe that large contracts that can’t be justified by the numbers can have a depressing effect on other players performances.
Jeter is a prime example of a problem to which it will be interesting to see what the FO does.
How do you justify to other players on your team a 20M contract for a player that has declined to a 5M ability?
Face of the franchise you say…thats for after he retires and becomes a member of the FO.
Why not a 20M contract for Cano? He has certainly exceeded expectations and carried the team some would say at times this season.
Why not 15M for Hughes. After all he won 17 games this season unlike AJ who lost 17.
Do you think that maybe those two players are just a little bit miffed that the big money guys haven’t come through when they have for a tenth of the salary.
At the end of the day/season, I believe that large contracts that can’t be justified by the numbers can have a depressing effect on other players performances.
Jeter is a prime example of a problem to which it will be interesting to see what the FO does.
How do you justify to other players on your team a 20M contract for a player that has declined to a 5M ability?
Face of the franchise you say…thats for after he retires and becomes a member of the FO.
Why not a 20M contract for Cano? He has certainly exceeded expectations and carried the team some would say at times this season.
Why not 15M for Hughes. After all he won 17 games this season unlike AJ who lost 17.
Do you think that maybe those two players are just a little bit miffed that the big money guys haven’t come through when they have for a tenth of the salary.
Just wondering.
While I’m a die hard Yankee fan, I like to think I can be pretty objective in analyzing their games and their seasons. While I understand some people’s frustration with some of Girardi’s decisions this year and in past years, especially last night regarding the IW to Murphy and/or leaving AJ in the ballgame in the 6th inning, the facts of the matter are that this team is playing this series, for the most part, the way they have been playing since the all-star break, and I honestly don’t think that has anything to do with the manager. In the first half of the year, they had stellar starting pitching from CC, Andy and Hughes, with 2 pretty solid months from AJ (April and May). Those performances really covered up the fact that the Yanks have not been a CONSISTENTLY good offensive team all year long. Since the all-star break, their inconsistent offense has been just that, inconsistent, and with the exception of CC, their starting pitching has been spotty at best, and in some instances, downright awful. I suppose the point I’m trying to make is that despite the fact that the Yankees led the league in runs this year, their lack of offense in this series shouldn’t really be that surprising to fans and or members of the media who really paid attention to what was happening this year. Many fans and many members of the media tout the Yankees as this unbelievable offensive team….as evidenced by the fact that they lead the league in runs scored. While it is clear that the Yanks have a dangerous line up that can hurt the opponent one through nine in a ton of different ways, the facts are that this year that line up has been feast or famine….and the famine has shown up much more than many people want to admit. For some reason this year, they have had trouble against decent to excellent lefties all year long, can’t handle pitchers who really know how to change speeds, have been awful against pitchers they haven’t seen, and have struggled a lot with men on base. Just look at the batting averages…..other than Cano, Swisher and Gardner, this team really does not have a regular who hit .280…..and in fact a guy like Posada has hit well below .240 since June, and guy like Jeter is about 35 to 40 points away from his career avg. (not a slight drop this year, a huge drop, especially from a lead off hitter who has a habit of striking out and this year, banging into a ton of double plays). So, when you look at this series, are the results really all that surprising? Texas has two solid left-handed starters….Wilson and Lee….both have pitched well in this series…..is that really surprising to anybody? What have the Yanks done all year against good lefties…for the most part, nothing. With respect to the other two games, Hughes put the Yanks in a big hole, no doubt, but the Yanks had chances to at least creep back in that game, but couldn’t hit at all in a big spot…..last night…much of the same….the Yanks, with one or two big hits, could have had a much more comfortable lead, but they failed to get it….again a lefty with good stuff basically shut them down for four innings after they couldn’t put Hunter away. What I’m saying, probably in too many words, is that this is the offense the Yanks have displayed for a good part of the season…sputtering offense, that can tease with its potential, can at times explode, but has struggled mightily for most of the season. While we could blame Girardi for leaving AJ in too long, or not dropping Jeter in the line-up, or whatever move you want to pick, its been clear for the better part of the season that their starting pitching, with the exception of Sabathia (usually) and Pettite (generally) isn’t of the shut down variety, so when you really come to think of it, the results so far in this series, shouldn’t be stunning to anybody. That being said, at this point, they have to just win the game today, and move on from there……while I’m hoping that they can get it done, what I’ve seen all year tells me that it is probably unlikely.
ConcernedCitizen October 20th, 2010 at 11:53 am
“We stayed to the last bitter out ”
Same here. I used the empty seats in front of me as noise makers. In the bottom of the eighth I started calling people out for not backing their team up. The people in front of me – who were wearing Burberry scarves and never cheered – did not appreciate being heckled.
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Good for you–keep heckling them.
I am heading back again today and again won’t leave until the last out. Hopefully, a Mo save.
Chambliss October 20th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Yankeefeminista:
I agree with you about AJ’s performance. It was much better than his line indicates. The first two runs scored without a hit. Did he dominate? No, but he gave them a chance to win. He got the crowd fired up early in the game.
As for Girardi, the guy is a mystery to me. Torre drove me crazy, but he was predictable. Girardi is full of surprises when it comes to the pen. Sometimes he has the quick hook and sometimes he lets guys stay in there too long.
Last night was not the time to build AJ’s confidence. If anything, if he had taken out AJ with a 3-2 lead, that would have been a big confidence boost to me. “AJ, you put us in a position to win, and now I am going with Joba or Wood or whomever.” Instead, he set the guy up to fail, after watching one of the intentional balls almost go over Cervelli’s head.
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I agree on all points.