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Teixeira likely out rest of the way

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 20, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mark Teixeira is out, probably the rest of the way.

“Barring some miracle, he won’t be with us tomorrow,” Joe Girardi said.

If the MRI doesn’t show something surprisingly good in Teixeira’s hamstring, the Yankees will activate Eduardo Nunez. If Teixeira is taken off the roster, he can not be added next round.

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269 Responses to “Teixeira likely out rest of the way”

  1. Dj October 20th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Too bad for Tex, at least he has the whole off season to get better.

  2. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    The rest of the way appears to be no more than one or two games. I’m sorry Tex got hurt – sucks.

  3. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Stuff happens.

  4. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    John Flaherty is spot on.

    What a miserable job by Joe.

    Just sucked the life out of the team.

  5. JM October 20th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Oh well, poor Tex. He will have the whole offseason to recover (and hopefully to figure out how to get out of the gate a bit faster next year, LOL).

  6. Tom in N.J. October 20th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    LGY, What did John Flaherty say?

  7. Trevor October 20th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    # Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    0 Days, 15 Hours, and 47 Minutes until Game 5 of the ALCS :grin:
    ______________

    …left till the season is over.

  8. Pepitone October 20th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Man, this guy jumps from thread to thread …

    repost:

    Doreen -

    Agreed. This team has been the class of organized professional sports for decades, and because they are having a bad series (which, by the way, is far from over) the “fans” think the franchise is on the downspin?

    They haven’t been any worse than second for what decades? If that’s “pathetic” I’ll take pathetic anytime.

    What if you were the Cubs? They haven’t won in over 100 years! Now, that’s pathetic.

  9. YankeeBlue222 October 20th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    Although I still have (some) faith, just think: if not for that comeback inning in Game 1, we all would have just witnessed a sweep.

  10. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    I refuse to listen to the post-game, but now I have to know what Flaherty said.

  11. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Girardi is not that smart. Like I said he is so arrogant he thinks he has all the answers but the fact is that he has no clue. I supported him at first but he continues to not learn from his mistakes and because of that I wish he went away to the Cubs.

    And yes John Flaherty is right. Joe treated this like a regular season game. And guess what Girardi and Cashman will continue to be with the Yankees and get a pass and they will not be held responsible. It seems like Hal doesn’t care about accountability.

  12. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    I have to say I can agree with Flaherty’s last statement. He got more from AJ than anyone could have hoped for. Lead-off guy gets on and you’ve got a bullpen down there that’s pretty much been nails a good part of the season (excepting last night, of course). Moseley could have come in if he wanted some length – he was likely rested enough. Or any of the others. No guarantees it would have worked, obviously.

    He seemed (Girardi) a little too concerned about what he would need tomorrow.

  13. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Tom,

    “Joe managed this game like a regular season game. He had to manage this game like an elimination game. You get to the 6th and you start managing backwards to get the ball to Mo. You start counting the outs to Mo. You have 4 relievers in your pen with Robertson, Joba, Logan, and Wood who can get you outs. Instead he let his starter work out of trouble.”

    Paraphrased, but basically that is what he said.

  14. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Trevor October 20th, 2010 at 12:27 am
    # Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    0 Days, 15 Hours, and 47 Minutes until Game 5 of the ALCS
    ______________

    …left till the season is over.

    ********************

    Don’t be a buttwipe.

    They have to play the game first

  15. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    I have the post-game on now………….not sure why.

  16. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Flaherty sucks at broadcasting, but maybe he’d be good at managing.

  17. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Plus John talked about AJ and how you just have to be happy with what you got especially since he started to look shaky in the 6th.

  18. Tom in N.J. October 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Not Girardi’s finest hour .

  19. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Girardi must of did an amazing sell job in his interview for manager. He looks like a rookie manager who doesn’t have a good feel for the game. He is always by the book and never has a feeling for what move to make. Even though his eyes tell him a pitcher is done he never makes a move and just allows guys to stay in too long and fail. He was much more aggressive and made things happen last year and this year he seems depressed all the time with no energy. In 2 years we have seen 2 totally different managing approaches.

  20. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    0 Days, 15 Hours, and 29 Minutes until Game 4 of the ALCS :grin:

  21. Tom in N.J. October 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Thanks, LGY.

    He’s right too.

  22. bruceb October 20th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    What happened to our beautiful team, the pride and the pinstripes? Where did CC go? Where is Tex? What happened to A-Rod? Something strange happened in September and I just can’t figure it out. It’s like we plain ran out of gas.

  23. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Flaherty is right…………

    Joe is always worried about the next game or the game after. Guess what? There may only be one more game left in your season.

    I love Cash – I think Cash is very good – and I love Hal – but they love Joe and they completely support him. They should get criticism if Joe is too.

  24. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    oh crap-

    Do over…

    We just suffered through Game 4

  25. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Girardi sticking with AJ reminded me of Torre sticking with Weaver for an extra inning in the 2003 WS.

    A huge payroll can’t cover up every mistake.

  26. RadioKev October 20th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Also, who are the great managers out there?

    Please name me all the great managers in the playoffs? Washington has made some god awful moves this series, but his team is hot as hell. Manuel? His team is down 2-1 right now and he’s done nothing spectacular. The Giants are simply winning on the strength of their pitching, nothing else to be said about that.

    Gardenhire, that great manager? His team sucks in the playoffs. Francona? His team isn’t in the playoffs, sure he’s good, but he’s got a pretty good staff all around him too.

    Get over it you manager obsessed folks.

  27. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    0 Days, 15 Hours, and 27 Minutes until Game 5 of the ALCS :grin:

  28. lil m October 20th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Flash said that? Big-time ups to him!!!

  29. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Pepitone -

    Oh, my – if this were the Cubs??? I shudder to think. :lol:

  30. EliasInNH October 20th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    I’m really pissed at a lot of stuff about this game. I don’t get Girardi. I just don’t. I don’t understand how a team with A-Rod, Jeter, Swisher, Teix and Cano can be hitting .150 with RISP. I think at some point the hitters have to execute. That’s not on Cashman or Girardi. But Mitre over Moseley and playing this matchup horsecrap is total garbage. That all being said, we won 95 games in a tough division. We Scored five in the eighth in game 1. We CAN have a big game, we CAN rally. We just need to execute. Let’s get a win tomorrow. Then we can regroup and take it back to Texas. Prove something to me Yankees.

  31. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    I said Joe wouldn’t have an impact in the postseason.

    I was DEAD WRONG.

    Awful job leaving in Hughes and Burnett so long.

    WTF was the point of resting the freaking bullpen so much in September if he won’t use these guys? What was the point of seeing Chad Gaudin so much???

  32. lil m October 20th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Would love to know what the Yankee powers that be think about how this game was handled.

  33. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    If Cash brings Girardi back it doesn’t speak well of his judgment.

  34. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear after the season that Girardi is dealing with something negative in his life right now. Whether it’s a divorce, someone died or his father being really, really sick. Something is going on. It seems like the games are secondary to him since September. In his post games he can’t even handle reporters asking him why he made a move. He asks like a child when someone asks him a simple question.

  35. Carlo October 20th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I’m not giving up, but I can tell you right now, from my seat in section 204, I believe the yankees gave up after the tex injury and arod gidp. They still led 3-2 but you saw the body language as the 6th inning started. This team knows they are dead and I don’t believe they think they are capable of winning. Sure, some guys may say we got CC tomorrow, we can win, but deep down they all know even if they start clicking and catch lightening in a bottle with this offense, cliff lee waits for them saturday night and there isn’t a guy in that yankee clubhouse thay believes they can get to him.

  36. jacksquat October 20th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Notice Washington took his starter out in the *4th inning*. He had a 2-1 series lead and a pitcher on the mound who had a much better season than Burnett, and he had more of a sense of urgency than Girardi did.

  37. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Erica

    I didn’t even drink my apple juice tonight. AJ was so good I didn’t want to mess it up.

  38. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Flaherty:

    “If someone told you before the game that AJ would be ahead after the 5th inning, you have to be happy…Vlad singles and you have to start thinking there of going to the bullpen”

  39. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Maybe the Yankees should not be throwing good money after bad and finally start reducing the payroll to a reasonable amount(like 150 million). Clearly it’s only worked once and that was last year because for a decade Cashman has spent about as much money as the federal government and only has 1 Championship to show for all that spending. Not a great return on investment.

    find out a way to get rid of Burnett, and bring up more guys from the farm. Not overpaid overhyped players.

  40. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 12:36 am
    Erica

    I didn’t even drink my apple juice tonight. AJ was so good I didn’t want to mess it up.

    ************

    I drank enough for everyone.

    A lot of good it did :-(

  41. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    I knew going into the playoffs that Joe would be a liability. He’s one of the few managers who can lose a game for you. That said, overall, I do not blame him for this series. The SP sucked, the pen choked and the offense puked all over themselves.

  42. RadioKev October 20th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    I think Girardi is awful because he didn’t tell his players to get hits with RISP, and he also didn’t find a way for the Rangers to stop making great defensive players. What a fool Girardi is!

    Also while we’re on it, why isn’t Girardi able to instate instant replay for hit by pitch reviews?

    Or even better, why can’t he just move the foul pole while he’s at it?

    The funny thing is, the clearly dicey managing decisions, like starting Cervelli, AJ Burnett, putting Robertson in during the 6th after getting rocked last night… those didn’t haunt him.

  43. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Carlo, if that’s the case, then Cashman has a bigger problem on his hands than we thought. A Yankee team just giving up? Quitting? Inexcusable.

  44. Carlo October 20th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Love how the mitre move bothers people. Memo to all of you in denial: this team cannot hit. The game was over at 5-3. 7-3 and there was no reason to watch anymore.

  45. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    How did starting Cervelli not hurt him?

    Cervelli had a very costly passed ball and he grounded out in a huge spot with the bases loaded.

    Cervelli sucked tonight.

  46. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Jeremy, you keep saying the same thing. Who do you want to bring up – and who do you want to replace? You think we have superstars waiting on the farm? Even if Montero proves to be one, you think he’s just going to come into the league and

  47. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    You know, what really gets me is that I know Brian Cashman is a hell of a lot smarter than Joe Girardi is. I know Brian Cashman is thinking right along with the fans when they question Girardi’s ridiculous use of matchups and penchant for sticking too long with tiring starters. And he’s just about powerless to do anything about it.

    I have 100 % confidence in Cashman’s abilities as a team-builder, but I’m not so sure how “tough” he is as the point man of the organization. Meaning, I’m not sure if he has the guts to do what he knows is right and cut ties with Girardi after this year.

    No manager should get away with what he got away with tonight and still have a job next year. Save all time greats like Torre, Francona, and LaRussa.

  48. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    and just kill? He’s going to struggle. You want a team full of kids? good luck.

  49. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    RadioKev
    Will you stop with the excuses for Girardi. The guy is not managing like the guy who Managed the Marlins. He continues to overmanage and make the same mistakes again and again and again. This is not about the other managers this is about Girardi.

  50. Cashmoney October 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Can we take easy on these *(*(ing troll or real Yankee fans narratives on here. It’s a freaking electronic baseball blog!

    Stop this defender of the realm act, it’s a like freaking kindergarten in here.

    Peace out!

  51. Carlo October 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Betsy – I am not calling them quitters, but they area defeated team. way too many disappointments in this series and I think the team realized after that complete mess in the bottom of the 5th where we should have blown it open, that we simply are overmatched by a better team.

  52. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Cash is very shrewd and I agree with most of what you said, G-C, except I’m pretty sure he’s thinking that the offense and SP blew this and not the manager (and he’s basically right)

  53. pat October 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Please stop with the quitting nonsense. Players that quit don’t have patient ABs and load the bases in the 8th.

    Some of you have a hard time distinguishing between effort and results.

  54. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Carlo, I’m saying that that attitude is beyond disappointing and it’s something Cash has to address.

  55. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Cashmoney October 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am
    Can we take easy on these *(*(ing troll or real Yankee fans narratives on here. It’s a freaking electronic baseball blog!

    Stop this defender of the realm act, it’s a like freaking kindergarten in here.

    Peace out!

    ***************

    You speaking to me????

  56. Carlo October 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    LGY – I see u called out cervelli, my counter to ur argument is that posada sucks every october night

  57. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    To those that want Girardi gone, who would you have replace him? Tell me who would manage this team better?

  58. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Poor AJ. He pitched great and Girardi left him out there to fail. Intead of leaving the mound feeling good about himself he left feeling awful. Girardi has to have better instincts if he wants to be a major league manager. He never knows when to pull a pitcher. In this series he left Hughes, AJ, and Robertson in way too long. Letting a guy who hasn’t pitched in 18 days throw 100 pitches is just stupid.

  59. RadioKev October 20th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    A costly passed ball? That’s a new one. I thought the game was over after the Molina home run! Not the costly passed ball!

    I honestly don’t even remember Cervelli’s ground out due to the utterly awful offensive night, but it stood out no more than any other player’s flailing.

  60. Cashmoney October 20th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    No, Erica. I am talking about all the back and forth accusations in here. It reminds me of nursery rhymes and nappy time.

  61. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    It is amazing Washington is up 2-1 in this series. He is the one in control of this series at the moment.

    Yet, he is the one who manages like an elimination game. He is proactive.

    Joe is managing the team in trouble, who really need this win, and he sits on his hands with an awful starter on the mound.

    Joe is worried about getting second guessed for taking one of the worst pitchers in the history of the franchise out.

    I would love to know what world Girardi lives in.

  62. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Betsy
    I get what you said. But changes need to be made some how. Their is too much deadweight and this team is too old. If the Yankees continue to trade away talent and spend spend this team will continue to get older and older and overall performance will decline.

  63. Carlo October 20th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Pat – I don’t see anyone talking about the team quitting. If u are talking to me, then u totally misread my post. There is a big difference between a team quitting and a team knowing they are overmatched. The yankees are the latter.

  64. Vineyard Yankee October 20th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    TR10
    October 20th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Have a good night for the real Yankee fans

    ===================

    Good night Tim.

  65. pat October 20th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    “Not a great return on investment.”

    $200M payroll and $600+M in revenues + $72M for postseason 2009 sounds like a good investment to me.

  66. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Cashmoney October 20th, 2010 at 12:44 am
    No, Erica. I am talking about all the back and forth accusations in here. It reminds me of nursery rhymes and nappy time.

    *************

    Oh… that.

  67. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Erica

    It seems that none of these food things have worked out. I say we have steak tomorrow. That’s the opposite of chicken right?

  68. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    How is a costly passed ball a new one?

    What do passed balls not count? Does nothing happen because of passed balls?

    That whole inning unfolded because of Cervelli’s bonehead and lazy play.

    It is a completely different inning if Cervelli keeps that ball in front of him, because Molina would not be bunting.

    Cervelli’s ground out stands out, because Jorge could have been up there instead.

  69. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    I was calling for Joba after the intentional walk to Murphy. And I would not have brought in Mitre in the ninth. On the other hand, you can’t blame Girardi. They had opportunities to break the game open and did not get the big hits. They have one quality start in 4 games. The series is not over. Win tomorrow. Beat Colby Lewis. In game 7, anything can happen.

  70. Vineyard Yankee October 20th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan
    October 20th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    “He was throwing the ball good” – Joe Girardi

    6 IP
    6 Hits
    5 Runs
    3 Walks
    1 Home Run

    Moron !

    ———–

    He did pitch good for 5 innings. Too bad Girardi sent him out for the 6th. Interesting stat in AJ’s post season career 19 BB’s in 33 IP. Terrible, walks will kill you every time.

  71. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 12:47 am
    Erica

    It seems that none of these food things have worked out. I say we have steak tomorrow. That’s the opposite of chicken right?

    **********************

    Hmmm…
    I like how you are thinking. Back to red meat!!

  72. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    So because some fan believes the Yankees quit, it’s truth?

    pat is 100% correct. Stop confusing effort and results.

    No doubt there is some disappointment and concern over Tex. It’s a big loss to digest. But that should only make them more determined, especially after they process this game.

  73. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Also Burnett should not even show is face. What a joke of a pitcher. All that talent and he can’t utilize it.

    Like I said Cashman is no fool he knows that he took a risk with Burnett and it Burnett pitches just as bad next year then the Yankees will find a way to get rid of him.

    I can’t even compare him to Kevin Brown because that wouldn’t be fair to him.

  74. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    CR9,

    I can’t even get mad at AJ.

    He got screwed by Cervelli and an unlucky infield hit for the first 2 runs.

    He gave them everything he got for 5 innings after having 17 days off.

    The guy should be a hero right now for what he gave the team. Instead after 17 days Joe decides to push him.

  75. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    # Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    So because some fan believes the Yankees quit, it’s truth?

    pat is 100% correct. Stop confusing effort and results.

    No doubt there is some disappointment and concern over Tex. It’s a big loss to digest. But that should only make them more determined, especially after they process this game.
    ==============

    It always makes me laugh when some ‘fans’ complain about ‘heart’ or ‘effort’ or ‘hunger’.

  76. Carlo October 20th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Cervellis groundout: posada would not have been hitting 9th so claiming he would have been up is wrong. Infact, since posada would have been up before that, we should assume the bases wouldn’t have even been loaded for the 9 hole hitter because posada does not hit!

  77. RadioKev October 20th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am
    RadioKev
    Will you stop with the excuses for Girardi. The guy is not managing like the guy who Managed the Marlins. He continues to overmanage and make the same mistakes again and again and again. This is not about the other managers this is about Girardi.

    It’s not excuses, it’s truly everyone overvaluing the role of a manager. Yet again, please name me all the brilliant managers this post season. There aren’t any, yet some how these teams have won a ton of games and are continuing to win. It’s up to the players, some type of chemistry, luck, and management.

    The Yankees sure as hell didn’t have anything in the way of luck or chemistry, the players didn’t come through at all in any of these past two games, but the management is the go scape goat.

    AJ Burnett missed his pitch, not Joe Girardi. They played properly by the book on that play, and AJ missed his spot. Pettitte missed his spot and lost a game for it. Is that Girardi’s fault? It had nothing to do with AJ being tired, it had everything to do with AJ not executing. He executed for the better part of the game, and you know what? He quickly made the next out on top of that.

    Mitre, that was a bad call. That guy wasn’t going to keep the game close, but by then it was all ready a long shot.

  78. Yeah October 20th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Oh, no, whatever shall we do without Tex and his .148 BA and .536 OPS?

  79. tipsie October 20th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    I haven’t been on Girardi like most have been over the past several weeks. Tonight, however, was absolutely infuriating.

    Awful decisions, from smallest to largest:

    pinch running Thames for Teixeira after the injury – you waste his bat for another nine spots in the order (he might be needed to hit for Gardner later), he’s slow, he is then required to play defense; that’s why you have Golson on the roster, man

    pitching Mitre in the ninth; I could see, perhaps, holding off on throwing Mo in the ninth in Game 3, with two consecutive games to come, but Mitre is just giving up; I know they (Swisher) blew the chance in the eighth, but a 7-3 deficit is not completely insurmountable – keep it there

    letting AJ pitch to Hamilton, 2 on , 2 out in the bottom of the 5th; I know it’s early, and that Logan gave up a HR to him later, but you have to manage out of desperation down in the series

    letting AJ start the sixth; OK, he got out of the fifth, but you just blew a great opportunity to score in the bottom of the fifth (thanks Tex and Alex); 5IP and 2R from Burnett is more than you could ask for; use EVERYONE you can to get the 6-8 outs you then need to get to Mariano in the eighth

    intentionally walking Murphy with Cruz on second and two outs in the sixth; leading by one, do not do not do not put more men on base; bring in Logan then (then they’d have pinch hit Francouer or Cantu); bring in Joba; DO NOT put more on base

    finally, of course, leaving AJ in to finish and give up the HR to Molina

    I know they have been terrible with RISP
    I know they should have had more off Hunter
    I know they have been completely outplayed

    BUT

    They had 10 outs to go, up 3-2, with only the tying run on second base

    They then lost by seven

    This game is on Girardi

    I am nauseated

  80. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Jeremy, what talent are they trading away?

  81. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    AJ pitched well overall. Gave the team plenty of chances to take a big lead. While I agreed with the move to let him pitch to Molina, he made a very bad pitch and it cost him. That’s unfortunate. He put an overall good effort out there and while results were not what anyone wanted, he did what he was asked to do, which was give the team an opportunity to win.

  82. Vineyard Yankee October 20th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Not a surprise, no hitting, no hitting with RISP just like the last two months of the season. What’s for breakfast ? Chicken Fried Steak, Chicken Apple Sausage and Farm Fresh Eggs ?

  83. pat October 20th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Ledger_Yankees “every ounce of energy I’ve had is to try to get healthy and try to be able to play. I think my body just said that’s it, that’s enough.” Tex

  84. lil m October 20th, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Go Giants!!!! It would be enjoyable seeing them take out the Phillies and then either bodyslam the Rangers (awesome!) or be smacked back down into place by the miracle comeback Yankees (wah!!). Kind of pathetic, but gotta have some consolation if this ALCS plays out the way it seems to be headed.

    Poor Tex – wishing him a speedy and total recovery. He’s a gamer, a terrific player, and a big part of this team. Need him back healthy and ready to roll in 2011.

    Tomorrow’s going to be either the start of something interesting or a pretty yucky ending to the season. So glad they won it all last year. If they lose, I hope its like the 1997 Yanks – a one-year lull before a storm of long-term dominance. Either way, GO YANKS . . .

  85. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:53 am

    pat
    Only problem with your point. The Yankees have spent more money than most countries over the span of a decade and have only one Championship to show for it during that period. So pointing out one year (2009) doesn not make it that great.

  86. lil m October 20th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Oops — “WOW” not “wah”

  87. jacksquat October 20th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Just gotta hope CC is dominant tomorrow, Hughes pitches better in game 6 and they hit Lewis, and then hope Lee is not as strong as he was in game 3.

    A complete turnaround, with Tex out. Tex wasn’t hitting yet, but his defense was great.

    Everything has to go right.

  88. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Cr9,

    Yeah I know.

    Was just adding to your post about AJ.

  89. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    The pitching has been awful but are these all stars ever going to hit in the post season? Most of the guys did nothing last year also. Unfortunately we see this every year where everyone can’t buy a big hit. It’s hard to win when your 2, 3 and 4 hitters are automatic outs. In the off season Cashman has to figure out the catching situation and what this mix is missing that causes them to be so bad in these big games.

  90. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Cervelli and Posada have shown why Montero should be able to be passable behind the plate.

  91. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    # Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:53 am

    pat
    Only problem with your point. The Yankees have spent more money than most countries over the span of a decade and have only one Championship to show for it during that period. So pointing out one year (2009) doesn not make it that great.

    =========

    But by that reasoning, you can apply that to any team and the payroll they’ve spent between championships. If that’s the criteria, then the Cubs are the worst team ever.

    Oh wait…

  92. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Losing Tex hurts our defense more than our offense. I’d rather he make great plays at first if he can’t hit. Now we’ve lost his defense. Preventing runs is sometimes more important than scoring them. Imo

  93. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    tipsie is correct gholson should have pinch ran for tex when he got hurt. doubt it would have mattered but absolutely the right thing to do. golson should have played the outfield until is ab came up and either thames or kearns could have been used.

    or berkman could have been pinch hit for so he did not have to hit righty.

    excellent point tipsie

  94. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Anyone who rips on AJ Burnett after this game is delusional.

    AJ Burnett came to the park today with incredible focus and a game plan that he executed very, very well.

    What he did tonight after 18 days of rest would have been up there with El Duque’s legendary game four, 1998 ALCS start made under similar circumstances (15 days rest, down 2-1 in the series). Girardi robbed him of that opportunity.

    Should a miracle ensue and we advance, I’d feel great about throwing him in the World Series.

  95. DaSaint007 October 20th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Surprised? No. Disappointed, yes.
    All season long – at least when I’ve had time to post – I’ve mentioned that Girardi doesn’t let this team generate runs. Of course, it’s hard to do that when you don’t get on base, but when you do, you’ve got to create as much distraction and havoc as possible to get a pitcher out of their rhythm.

    We’ve all known that our pitching was suspect this year. For all those who critisized Cashman for attempting to trade the vaunted Montero – now you understand why. I don’t agree with giving up a future for the present, but Cashman was willing to do it.

    No matter, this is an AGING team, and it shows. Regardless of what happens tomorrow – and I certainly think CC can pull it off, it’s time to restructure. Some position players AND pitchers.

  96. Angel October 20th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:53 am
    pat
    Only problem with your point. The Yankees have spent more money than most countries over the span of a decade and have only one Championship to show for it during that period. So pointing out one year (2009) doesn not make it that great.

    ***********************************************************

    So spending the most money *does equal championships?

    Wow, apparently I’ve been incorrectly arguing that thats just not true all this time.

  97. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Betsy
    Some people are talking about trading away talent in the farm if the Yankees can’t get Lee if Texas wins the World Series. I think that would be a horrible mistake. Do we really want to go down that road again.

  98. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Clutch, I can’t figure it out – it’s not like these guys are bad hitters. That’s why I suggested trading Swish. He’s one of the few tradeable assets -everyone els is immovable

  99. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    yep aj was the best yankee tonight because the pitch to molina was a mirage it does not count. really clowns how do you think this garbage up??

    yep the offense stinks, no clutch hitting but bottom line aj did not get the job done………….

  100. Angel October 20th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Oh no.. Stuart is pulling out the *clowns* again.

    I’m afraid of clowns so i’m out for the night, lol.

  101. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    # Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Betsy
    Some people are talking about trading away talent in the farm if the Yankees can’t get Lee if Texas wins the World Series. I think that would be a horrible mistake. Do we really want to go down that road again.
    ========

    Agreed. I actually didn’t want the Lee deal to go through for the thought of losing Montero. I understood it and would have gotten over it, but I’d rather take the chance of getting that contract signed this winter and also having Montero possibly in the lineup next year.

    The days of trading away all the kids for an all-star team are over.

  102. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    swisher makes $11 mill next year and has 1 year on his contract. he is not worth much. he is a 25 homer 85 rbi guy… good player, helpful on a real good team.

    gardner or montero have more value way more value because of there age and contracts………

  103. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Jeremy, I wouldn’t do that – and I know who you’re referring to. That said, if we don’t get Lee, we need another pitcher. They really NEED Lee.

  104. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Captain Clutch -

    I thought they won the World Series last season? Surely they must have gotten a big hit or two or three along the way?

    Sometimes it’s not your turn, that’s all. And I’m not saying this is over yet.

  105. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Angel
    I don’t think money is the end all be all. But the Yankees have spent alot of money in order to win. The point is that the money spent over the course of that period was not managed well. But I’m not going to go on about this.

  106. Bronx Jeers October 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Hey Eduardo,

    Do you really think that people are going to believe you…..over Nick? If so, then you’re more mentally unstable than even you know.

    The game’s over. People are starting to realize that you’re a stalker. And more people will know about you tomorrow. No one needs that in their lives. It’s sad that you don’t understand that.

    Soon you’ll find that the only posters acknowledging you are the ones that you create yourself. I just hope for your sake that you still possess the mental faculties to know the difference.

  107. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    What’s the gameplan for Game 5 with Tex out. This is an opportunity to mix the lineup some. Do you just slot Berkman at first against the lefty? Or do you play Swisher and go with Kearns or Golson in right? I wish there was some offensive versatility on the bench – get some more speed and contact in the lineup but there really isn’t.
    Gardner/Jeter/Cano/ARod/Swisher/Thames/Posada/Kearns/Granderson?

  108. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    and it sucks, but Cash will be in a position of desperation. Lee can ask for whatever he wants and the Yanks have to pay it

  109. UnKnown October 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Well the Yankees can’t beat Lee tomorrow. The players should be so lucky to have that problem to face of how to hit Lee. It would mean this thing has gotten to a Game 7.

    Anyways use all the cliches there are, most importantly I hope they play as absolutely hard as they can if for no other reason then the patches on their uniforms.

    CC tomorrow to start the amazing comeback trail.

  110. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    this is not over. they probably will lose but if they won i would not be shocked. if the ycould hit 280 with RISP they win multiple games in the series….

  111. pat October 20th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Jeremy

    No. I’m not confusing championships with return on investment. They have fielded a winning team that has made it to the postseason every year but 1 and those wins have allowed them to mint money.

    How many other MLB franchises can make that claim? If the Yankees spent $50M less every year, the Steinbrenners would have an extra $500M in their pockets but why would you care about that?

    George did many amazing things for the franchise but the meme of anything but a WS win is a failure has developed a fanbase with unreasonable expectations.

    It’s a nice goal but reality is players are human despite their bank balances and not everything can be controlled no matter how hard you’d like it to be.

  112. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    At least GTLU should be fun tomorrow

  113. DaSaint007 October 20th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    ALCS isn’t over, but I guarantee that the following are gone this offseason regardless: Berkman, Kearns, Cervelli, Pena, Mitre, Marte, Gaudin, Albaladejo, Wood and Joba.

  114. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Sometimes it’s good to be humbled and taken down a notch. However, when you are beaten so thoroughly in all phases of the game, you need to look objectively at the situation. This team is simply not good enough. Texas is a superior club, but they don’t win two games against the ’09 Yankees. That’s how far this team has fallen. A precipitous drop. Sadly, the vector is pointing south.

  115. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    The Yankees have their 3 best pitchers on the mound.

    The won 3 straight with those guys vs Minny.

    They can do it vs Texas.

    Tonight sucks, but this series is not over.

  116. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    i play swisher at first tommorrow because berkman is a bad bad fielder and a bad righty hitter.

    i go with golson in roght or kearns and swisher at first.

    lineup is jeter, cano, arod, thames, jorge, swisher, grandy, gardner, and golson…..

    run and play loose…….

  117. Bronx Jeers October 20th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    LGY,

    I just want you to know that CR9 has been collecting personal info on people in here and then posting it or stalking them outside this blog. Proceed with extreme caution if you choose to engage him.

  118. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    # Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    and it sucks, but Cash will be in a position of desperation. Lee can ask for whatever he wants and the Yanks have to pay it
    =======

    If that’s the case, then this is one of the times that I would be okay with it.

  119. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    I have no problem with Cash trying to get Lee. The Santana trade wasn’t made because the farm system wasn’t able to handle losing 4 top prospects. The system is in far better shape now – and we have good catchers in the system, specifically Gary Sanchez (granted, years away). This is NY – he’s always going to try and win.

  120. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    The Other Phil
    You make a great point. The Cubs are really bad as well.

    Also I agree the Yankees need to stop with this All Star at every position. Time for some homegrown talent to come up.

    No more A.J. Burnett’s.

  121. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    dasaint you are stoned.

    cervelli is cheap and young they are sending him where??marte has 1 more year on his deal. joba is going where for who????????

  122. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    G-C

    My point exactly. AJ was exceptional tonight. He actually got Hamilton out, he didn’t let them score in the first which non of our other starters could do. Second best ALCS start besides Andy. Maybe AJ could have gotten Murphy out but he never got the chance. Still. Had he gotten out of that inning without letting any runs score, our bullpen allowed them to tack on 3 runs before the 9th. We still might have lost.

  123. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Excellent post, pat.

  124. Angel October 20th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    I think the Yankees have spent a lot of money to put a competitive team on the field with the goal of winning. They’re not going to win every single year though. But in the last year years they’ve been competitive and had a winning season for all of them and made it to the playoffs in all but one year. That’s no small thing, really its not. It shouldn’t be diminished just because they didn’t win every single year.

  125. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    The Yankees print money. What Lee wants is a drop in the bucket, but that’s for another day. They can still win this.

  126. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Berkman is hitting .118 against lefties as a Yankee and is an awful 1st basemen, he can’t be in the lineup tomorrow. I would play Swish at 1st, Golson in RF and Thames DH.

  127. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    angel.

    amen you are correct.

  128. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    It’s been a weird post-season for HFA, hasn’t it? So, who knows what could happen.

  129. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    captain clutch is on par…

  130. YankeeBlue222 October 20th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    This offense needs a serious overhaul over the offseason. I’m not sure how this will happen, but something will need to be done.

    The thought of Jeter and ARod in this lineup in their late-30′s (making $20M+ per year) is downright scary.

    Not to mention Tex turning into Carlos Pena in the next year or so.

  131. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Bronx Jeers,

    I don’t think I have ever proceeded with CR9 in any other way ;)

    Thanks for the heads up though.

    I have been trying to follow what’s going on with Nick but I am hazy on the details.

  132. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Phil, they have no choice…………..but they are at the mercy of Lee and Lee may have other reasons for going elsewhere. If he’s gone, then I don’t know what their backup plan would be

  133. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    If anyone here would feel good about throwing 120 million dollars at Cliff Lee after he humiliated them in a wholly humiliating postseason series, I really can’t understand your rationale.

    Unless we come back and win three straight, I want no part of Cliff Lee. I do have some moral hazard as a Yankee fan. Cashman even waited over 2 years to get his hands on Schilling.

  134. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    If Joba gets traded away so be it. The guy has a 10 cent head like Burnett and he is so childish. The two people I would look to get rid of first would be Burnett and then Joba. And go from there.

  135. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Oh, one thing. On the Swisher non-HPB – Swisher didn’t argue it, so why would Girardi?

  136. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Jeremy: While track record wasn’t the best, I was actually okay with the AJ signing (though not exactly for those terms). His ‘stuff’ is electric, but he just can’t get out of his own damn way.

    I’m all for trying to sign Cliff Lee, but I really don’t want to see Crawford in pinstripes, not for the money that contract will command. I am in the minority, but I really think Gardner will get better, as he’s done every year. He dropped off in the second half but we don’t know what effect the thumb injury had on that.

    Gardner won’t be Crawford, but he also won’t cost anywhere near as much.

    This strange aberration of frozen bats is unexplainable but I do think that, with a few minor tweaks (Montero split time at DH/C?) this line up can do real damage next year.

  137. tampayank October 20th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Girardi can’t hit for RISP, AJ should have had a larger lead going into the 6th inning….their starter is out early and you only have 3 runs to show for it?

  138. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    I can’t understand yours, G-C. I don’t care about Lee or what he did against us. He also humiliated the Rays – what’s the point? I don’t care about that stuff……………he’s a great pitcher and we need him.

  139. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    I think I put swish at 1st and either Golson or kearns at RF. Berkman should not play against a lefty and Thames will already be the DH.

  140. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    stuart a

    Joba is going for a bag of balls. The guy is a headcase and childish. He doesn’t take his craft seriously and there is a reason why he was voted the most overrated player in baseball.

  141. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Angel -

    Agreed.

    Sure it’s disappointing to get this far and no farther. But there’s 26 teams that have gotten really good at playing golf the last, what, 15 years or so?

  142. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    I think this series is going to come down to Phil.

    CC will win tomorrow. The Big Man won’t let this team die.

    Phil has to get the ball to Andy.

    I think they win this series if they get it to a 7th game.

  143. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Jeremy,

    Your ignorance is astounding.

    The Yankee organization from top to bottom insists Chamberlain is among the hardest workers on the roster. Who would know better, them or you? If his work ethic was a problem, I guarantee you would have seen him demoted at some point this year.

    He had a pretty good year this year and pitched well tonight.

    Why is Joba being ripped on?

  144. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    “George did many amazing things for the franchise but the meme of anything but a WS win is a failure has developed a fanbase with unreasonable expectations.”

    Actually, George was very lucky. As a result of the fragmentation of the television viewing market, sports franchises became disproportionately valuable because they are able to draw a significant segment of the universe of TV viewers.

    Ironically, much of the reason that some fans are spoiled is because George’s way of doing things in the ’80s was replaced by a smart baseball decision making process that began during his suspension, characterized by a new found patience to let home grown players develop.

    With the homegrown core aging, they need to return to that model.

    If they don’t, it will be as much because of the impatience of ownership as it is because of the impatience of some spoiled fans.

  145. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    I thought they won the World Series last season? Surely they must have gotten a big hit or two or three along the way?
    ————

    Arod put the team on his shoulders last year and who knows if they even get to the world series without his big hits. Most of the guys in the lineup struggled especially Tex, Swish and Cano. For the last 6 years or so getting big hits in the post season has been a problem for them.

  146. Angel October 20th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    And honestly for all the talk of being being embarrassed to be a yankee fan .. i’d like to throw this out there.

    I’m proud to be a yankee fan.

    I’m proud to be a fan of team that tries to put the most competitive team out there it can to give me a season I can enjoy where there is always a chance they may win the World Series.. even if the don’t end up doing that.

    I’m proud to be a fan of a team where the owners put their money back into the team instead of pocketing it and sitting on it.

    I’m proud to be a fan of a team that has had winning seasons for so long that some of you seem to have forgotten what that is like.

    I’m proud to be a fan of a team that has given me terrific baseball memories.. whether they’ve won in all in that year or not.

    Perspective. Its a good thing.

  147. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    I agree that the team is to blame for this loss. But Girardi has been a problem. You can’t continue to ignore his bad managing. It seems like he has no control over that clubhouse.

    I thought he would come in and shake things up but I guess I was wrong. The guy is appears lethargic in this series.

  148. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    CC can’t hit…………..or can he?

  149. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    # Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Sure it’s disappointing to get this far and no farther. But there’s 26 teams that have gotten really good at playing golf the last, what, 15 years or so?
    =========

    Exactly. It’s that mentality that spurs some people’s perception that Yankees fans are spoiled and entitled.

    Yankees didn’t get to the ALCS in 97, the year after winning their first WS in countless years.

    Getting to the ALCS this year is still a great accomplishment, especially in this division. It will be a hard thing to do every year for a long time to come.

  150. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Betsy,

    The Yankees will only need 1 run with CC on the hill tomorrow ;)

    CC is coming up huge.

  151. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    I think going with Golson might be the way to go. Get some more speed in the lineup. Get a plus defender in right, since you lose the plus defense at first. Might cut down on the Rangers going first to third. I guess Nunez slots into the pinch running role.

  152. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    The Yankees have exactly one position player in his prime to build around — Cano. Let that sink in. Everyone else is well past
    his prime or a role player. Granderson is decent but can’t hit for average. Gardner is always looking for a walk. Tex is a roller coaster. We are staring at trouble moving forward. Spin it as you see fit.

  153. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    “Get some more speed in the lineup. ”

    You can’t steal 1B.

  154. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Maybe with Tex out this will actually shake up the lineup.

    I feel horrible he got injured, but the Yankees can’t afford to have a black hole in the 3 spot no matter how good his defense is.

    Hopefully their best hitter actually bats 3rd tomorrow and it makes a difference.

  155. tipsie October 20th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    In their long post-season run (since 1995), they have never pulled anything like this (down 3-1 in a 7 game set) off.

    They were down 0-2 to Oakland in the 2001 ALDS and came back. That’s pretty much the extent of winning elimination games (they also won Game 5 against the A’s in 2000, but weren’t down 0-2).

    Girardi didn’t manage tonight in desperation. He should have.

    Let’s see if they can start something tomorrow and win a game. I’m not hopeful, with the way CC has pitched (twice), but let’s see.

    Hate to say it, but every manager down in a series should go back and look at some of the crazy stuff Francona did in 2004 down 0-3 (which led to their comeback). Lose and you’re gone. Do something unusual (he brought his closer, Foulke, into the sixth inning of Game 4, for example); what do you have to lose?

    It starts this afternoon…

  156. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    # umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    I think going with Golson might be the way to go. Get some more speed in the lineup. Get a plus defender in right, since you lose the plus defense at first. Might cut down on the Rangers going first to third. I guess Nunez slots into the pinch running role.
    ========

    And I can guarantee that if that is the case, there will be very loud complaints about Golson being in there.

    I think it’s the best move as well. Seeing them tag from 1st on a flyout to center was annoying as hell.

  157. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    give up on young players with talent at your own peril..

    darrel rasners are easy to find joba has issues but giving up on a 24 year old is moronic…..

    yep warts and all, he is cheap, young, and no reason to give joba away…

    berkman, wood, kearns, mitre, gaudin, vazquez will all be gone next year. the yare not signign crawford who is a very good player but gardner is a good player and really cheap. they need to get some starting pitching and get younger in the field. if montero can stick that would be huge…………..

  158. pat October 20th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Doreen

    Thanks. I try.

    “If anyone here would feel good about throwing 120 million dollars at Cliff Lee after he humiliated them in a wholly humiliating postseason series, I really can?t understand your rationale.”

    I’d feel better about them throwing $120 M at Lee and having him try to humiliate someone else that’s for sure.

  159. G. Love October 20th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    I know this is going to sound odd, but if Cliff Lee happens to win a world series this year with Texas, I don’t want us to sign him.

    I think we have a few too many guys who have won championships on the team already.

    The fact that we hadn’t won last year since 2000 energized the group.

    Perhaps we’re seeing a bit of a 2009 hangover with some of these guys this year.

    That said, we’re getting this series back to Texas and Phil will have to pitch the game of his life to get us to game 7.

    Mo’s well rested. Berkman will hit playing 1b despite batting RH.

    It’s doable. Just someone remind Arod who he used to be power wise.

  160. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    If they lose this series, can I say they had a disappointing year? Objectively, not really, but the season has felt disjointed and odd. They played their best baseball at the beginning of the season, when they beat the Sox, Angels and Rangers. After that …………….it wasn’t the same. Dan Graziano had it right – it’s hard to admit that there are teams better than yours, but Yankee fans have to admit that the Rangers are better. I admit it – therefore, I’ve sort of accepted what will probably happen. My mentality at this point is concentrated on 2011 – I admit it. I’m concerned about the team going forward, but we’ll see.

  161. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    I’ll take a roller coaster like Teix any time.

    Swisher is a 125 OPS+ hitter.

    Gardner is what Ellsbury was supposed to be yet he gets no respect.

    Granderson is a very good player in his prime.

  162. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    The Yankees should start Cervelli at DH tomorrow.

    For real.

    Thames RF, Swish 1B, Cervelli DH.

    Call me crazy. I am.

  163. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    G-C
    I’m not ignorant. Yeah the Yankees say that he is a hard worker but I don’t really see it. Until I see him take the Initiative to get back on track like Hughes did when he hit hard time my confidence in Joba will always be at a low.

    Also alot of people get on Joba because of the overhype by the media and his childish antics.

  164. tampayank October 20th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    It was disappointing seeing the Legends seats empty BEFORE Cruz hit the HR that put it out of reach…..the crowd gives up early also

  165. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    I don’t get that about Lee………..so Lee will be a fat cat if he wins a WS this year? He’s a great pitcher and the rotation badly needs him.

  166. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    What time is GTLU tomorrow? Its an early game right?

  167. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    No, you can’t steal 1st, but I have had quite enough of seeing Kearns strike out. Golson isn’t that much of a hitter but at least you get that plus defense in right. If he can make contact he can put pressure on the defense. Less likely to GIDP.

  168. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    tex is 30 not 36. granderson is 29, and gardner is 26. montero is 20.. burying the yankees is laughable.

    swisher is 29 or 30 and is under contract 1 more year.

    they need some younger guys to improve etc. this pathetic unclutch offense led baseball in runs scored.

    THEY LED BASEBALL IN RUNS SCORED. Will can tex hit for a better avg next year? yepcan grandy hit 165? yep can gardner work on his bnting? yep. can arod hit about 285? yep.

    burying the yanks is comical…

  169. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    The Rangers are better right now. Right now can be a very short time.

  170. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    # pat October 20th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    I’d feel better about them throwing $120 M at Lee and having him try to humiliate someone else that’s for sure.
    =========

    Most definitely. I don’t really understand the ‘humiliation’ thing. It’s a game and a business. Lee wasn’t doing it to the Yankees personally, he was doing his job and doing it well. I’d prefer he did it FOR the Yanks than against.

    Would that mean that they shouldn’t try to get Halladay if they had the opportunity? He’s sure embarrassed the Yankees in his career…

  171. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Rich, IMO, Tex is overrated. He vanishes into think air for months at a time………….when we badly need him. Think about all the crap that Alex took – and think how Tex gets a free pass. I like Granderson a lot. I’m not overly fond of Gardner. Jeter will be better next year I think, but it’s not set in stone. Posada is practically done. Alex has lost his power. Overall, this team is not clutch and it’s shown.

  172. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Rich in NJ -

    A homegrown core is important to the Yankees. Or, rather, homegrown players who play their entire careers for the Yankees is important. But more important? The championships. Each enhances the other. And even those dynasty teams were a hybrid.

    I think if Cano and Hughes and a couple of others can be involved in another championship or two, that would be great.

    But baseball is also set up very differently and repeating a WS victory is not an easy task and the best team doesn’t ALWAYS take the top prize. The Yankees have been in the mix for a long time now.

  173. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Phil, totally agree.

  174. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Rich, no – I think they are a better overall team.

  175. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    i meant 265 for grandy obviously.

    people in the moment just throw out nonsense.

    jeter is on the downslide obviosuly. jorge is on fumes. arod still has some good years.

    this team needs cliff lee and montero to stick and some other shrewd seconday moves…..

  176. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 1:27 am

    Yep, Rich, I’m wrong. The Yanks are loaded for next year.

  177. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 1:27 am

    How exactly are the Rangers a better team than the Yankees? They won 90 games this year in an absolutely terrible division. The Yankees won 95 games this year with a manager who managed to lose in September AND in the best division in baseball by far.

    Thats a cop out excuse. Just like in 2005-2007, this team and its manager have collectively executed miserably when its counted.

    If the organization can’t find a way to solve the RISP issues that have plagued this team in the postseason since the end of the dynasty run, its going to be a very long time before another championship is seen here. Last year was different because Alex Rodriguez and Hideki Matsui went absolutely nuts on the world in certain spots. This year that hasn’t happened and you can’t bank on those kinds of things happening from year to year.

    I used to believe it was a sample size thing. After almost ten years it just can’t be a sample size issue anymore.

  178. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:27 am

    The Yankees won 6 more games this year, despite playing in the toughest division in baseball and the Rangers playing a cupcake division.

    The Yankees were and are better than the Rangers.

    4 games doesn’t change that.

  179. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Doreen

    I think a homegrown core is a very important part of winning champions, particularly in NY, because you don’t know how other teams’ stars will be able to handle the pressure. Home grown guys are spoon fed the pressure of playing in NY incrementally at an early age, so that by the time they are asked to play a key role, the pressure is secondary.

  180. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    *5* more games

  181. G. Love October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    I know you guys keep getting on the crowd for bailing early. A lot of that has to do with the time and pace these games are played. People know the traffic situation and just want to get out and home so they can make it to work the next day.

    That said, the negativity and frustration that we see about this team on this blog was alive and well in the stands on Monday night.

    The fans don’t know what to make of a Yankee team that gets dominated.

    I expected a close series.

    I didn’t expect a spanking.

    I think a lot of people are in shock over what has transpired. Monday night I saw a 50 something guy dressed head to toe in Yankee garb start cheering for Cliff Lee because he figured he’d be a Yankee next year and in his words, “at least he’s trying”.

    The fans just don’t know what to make of a Yankee team that struggles this badly.

    That said, I thought the fans were great tonight and were giving AJ a lot of love and encouragement.

    But when your team is down 5-7 runs in the final innings, your thoughts shift to beating the traffic and getting to bed before 1am if you can.

  182. jacksquat October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Berkman is not “terrible” at 1B. He has a career .995 fld% there, .998% this year. For reference, Tex is .996. Yes, Tex obviously has much better range/agility, but Swisher is certainly not better than Berkman at 1B.

    However, Berkman can’t hit righthanded so you have to put Swisher at 1B and either Thames or Kearns in RF. I’d go with Thames as there is much more chance he hits, and only marginal difference in defense.

  183. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Betsy

    We disagree about Teix.

    If Girardi had had a shorter leash with Hughes and AJ, the series might be at least tied up.

  184. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    YankFanCA
    I have to agree with you. Cano is really the main guy right now. Most of this team has players on the downside of their careers and if anyone thinks that the veterans (not including Mo) are going to improve by a great amount then I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona.

    And throwing money at Cliff Lee is not going to help solve the problem it will only exacerbate it over time.

  185. Erica in NY October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Good night Yankee people!

  186. sunny615 October 20th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Well, they haven’t shown it here. And this is where it counts. They better show up tomorrow or Tex will have all winter to heal that leg starting tomorrow night.

  187. LGY October 20th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    I don’t know what happened to Alex.

    He looked great at the end of the season.

    Now, he is in the midst of the 2nd worst postseason of his career.

    He is hitting .192 with a .459 OPS. Only 2006 was worse.

  188. G. Love October 20th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    G-C,

    Great post. I’m with you 100%.

  189. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    Rich, I agree, but I’m not sure what your point is. Cashman has rebuilt the farm system – and he drafted all pitchers first, so clearly he has designs on one day having a mainly homegrown rotation. Phil is the guinea pig – we’ll see how he does in NY and in pressure games. To date, it’s a mixed bag. Although I agree about raising kids to deal with the pressure, there’s just no saying if they will have the stomach for it. We don’t even know if any of our young pitchers will turn out………

  190. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    The player I empathize with the most right now is Derek Jeter. The guy hates losing more than any athlete I’ve ever watched player any sport. It’s tough to find a more fierce competitor than Derek Jeter. I look at him and wonder if he sees the end is near and that he might not win another championship in his career. That thought probably eats at his baseball soul. I’m really sad tonight for the team and most of all for the captain.

  191. jacksquat October 20th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Duh, scratch the above.

    Put Swish at 1B, Kearns in RF, Thames at DH.

  192. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    # Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Betsy

    We disagree about Teix.
    =======

    I’m with you on Teix. I really like him and think, when his tenure with the Yankees is over, he will have produced more than his share of big hits in the postseason.

  193. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    they all want to be a hero. having power is a blessing and a curse in the playoffs.

    these team is still loaded.

    possible next year lineup and core pitching.

    gardy, jeter, cano, tex, arod, swisher, montero, jorge, and grandy. everyday lineup. jorge is still top 3 offensive catchers at 39…..that is how bad catchers hit in MLB.

    Cervelli, jorge, and montero split catcher and DH.

    starters are; cc, hughes. cliff lee, burnett and whoever.

    pen; mo(last year), robertson, joba, marte, logan, aceves, marte, and young hard throwers. they have a ton of A+ arms in the minors.

    that is a start of a real real good team…they have sanchez, romine, and murphy as catcher/trade chips. they have many options for utility etc.. the guy they are calling up for tex nunez is 23 and talented, he can fill a part time role… they need to hold the line on a jeter deal and mo deal and jorge is adios after next year. how coplicated or unrealistic is this??????????

  194. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    tyanksfan36

    The Game is at 4. I can start GTLU at 8:30 and go until 11:30. That should be enough time and should be early enough so that a lineup isn’t put out before we’re done.

  195. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Rich, possiby, but who’s to say? How many extra runs did Phil give up? 2? I don’t have sufficient faith in the offense to think they were going to come back again.

    I do not understand their issues with RISP; as G-C said, this has been going on for years now.

  196. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Bingo Jeremy

  197. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    “I don’t know what happened to Alex.

    He looked great at the end of the season.

    Now, he is in the midst of the 2nd worst postseason of his career.

    He is hitting .192 with a .459 OPS. Only 2006 was worse.”

    ______________________________________

    I don’t believe the demons are back for him personally.

    But isn’t it a little hard to overlook the trends that somehow manage to bestow themselves upon not good, but very good and GREAT Yankee players since the dynasty run ended?

    I don’t know what the deal is. But watching all of these guys struggle year after year has me beginning to wonder if its something organizational and not simply a matter of sample size anymore.

  198. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Rich in NJ -

    I think that’s a good point.

    I guess the devil is in the details, as always.

  199. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    yep throwing money at cliff lee at 31 is the problem. after all why not trade young talent about 4 guys for grienke when you can get cliff lee for moolah only..

    nah you guys are right, because Lee beats the yanks he is being un loyal and do not sign him…………

    does it read as stupid as it sounds?????

  200. jrazz12 October 20th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    the rangers just scored again

  201. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    # Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    The player I empathize with the most right now is Derek Jeter. The guy hates losing more than any athlete I’ve ever watched player any sport. It’s tough to find a more fierce competitor than Derek Jeter. I look at him and wonder if he sees the end is near and that he might not win another championship in his career. That thought probably eats at his baseball soul. I’m really sad tonight for the team and most of all for the captain.
    =========

    I believe that Jeter thinks they can win every game.

  202. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Stuart, nice to know that you can be a bit rational- good posts!

    Appreciate the nice words guys.

    And Bret, I feel the same way, and have felt the same way every postseason that this team has managed to fail in since 2002.

    Sometimes you just wonder if Jeter is on a different planet than the rest of the team mentally. That’s not to say he hasn’t had his postseason failings, but I legitimately couldn’t see a team of 25 Derek Jeter’s being as thoroughly humiliated as the Yankees have been in this series.

  203. G. Love October 20th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Bret.

    Jeter’s won a lot of championships and has made a ton of money. I realize losing hurts him, but he’ll survive and put this season away a lot quicker than any of the fans will.

    He’s hitting the ball hard this series. It’s amazing that he shows up and Tex, Arod and Swisher collectively disappear.

    Swisher is a head case. You can see him try to pump himself up like some pro wrestler out there which only leads him to press and fail.

    As for Tex, the injury sucks. His defense will be missed tomorrow.

    His bat however has been invisible this series and I am quite excited to see Cano hit 3rd tomorrow (hopefully).

    This series is not over but it will be an uphill battle. Maybe Jeter pushes the rock up the hill. He looked like he was trying to do it by himself tonight.

  204. JobaTipsHisCap October 20th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    still expect they win tomorrow?
    not me. night all.

  205. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    Betsy

    My point is that because the original core is aging (how much Jeter, Mo, Po, Pettitte have left is an open, and unanswerable, question) it’s not enough to have rebuilt the farm system, he has to prioritize keeping and integrating top prospects on to the ML team as soon as is feasible.

    Talk is cheap. Several years ago, he said that he would no longer have to sign free agent pitchers because of the pitchers he had in the system, yet since then he has signed CC, AJ, rented Vazquez, and will move heaven and earth to sign Lee.

    That has to change, and he needs to lose his blind spot for the manager.

  206. Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    I’m out. GN.

  207. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Doreen

    Thanks, I don’t have school til 4, ill have to set my alarm to wake up and submit my guess. Its going to be pretty tough w/o tex. I kinda have an idea of who will play, just don’t know where to put them. Hopefully this won’t be the last GTLU of the season.

  208. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Tex and Arod, though paid 55 million collectively, as high as any 3-4 combo in baseball history, will never be Manny and Ortiz.

    The Yankees banked on 2 very glamorous yet streaky players.

    Arod is a straight up guess hitter and Tex’s swing is ugly.

    55 million for those 2 really truly hurts and will continue to for a long time.

  209. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    It pretty obvious that the 5 days off killed them. Last year it didn’t but this year it did. They totally lost their edge, timing and all around feel for the game. The pitchers and hitters had too many days without facing hitters/pitchers and in this whole series they have been trying to get it back and can’t. I don’t like to find excuses but from watching them it’s pretty obvious that they are off their game. They haven’t been good since the all star break but in this series they aren’t clicking and can’t do anything right for 9 innings.

  210. Crash October 20th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Bottom line the yanks didn’t do enough damage off Hunter/Holland. There offense is invisible.

    Bullpen outside of Mo and Kerry is looking shaking. They are not hitting. And Pettitte pitched great. Burnett was decent. Hughes and Sabathia were awful. I know everyone wants to use the manager as the scapegoat. But the yankee players are getting outplayed by the rangers players.

    Hopefully Sabathia comes up with a strong performance tommorow. He has been bad so far this postseason.

  211. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Rich, I agree with your first point, but we don’t exactly have position players ready to burst forth – and who would they be replacing anyway?

    Talk is cheap ? Huh? Phil got hurt and has been playing catchup for 2 years. Joba has been Joba. I know you’re talking about Kennedy…………we’ve been there and done that, so I won’t go there. I do not understand how you can criticize signing CC. Phil had been injured in 2008 and pitched terribly; Kennedy was abominable. Joba was an unknown. We NEEDED CC and we need another pitcher behind him – that was obvious.l

  212. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    stuart a
    Yeah and overspending once again is the best way to solve the Yankees problems. I’m not saying that he won’t help because he will but you would be getting him on the downside of his career. He won’t help this team get younger and if anything over time his contract will become an issue over time.

    How does Cliff Lee help this team get younger ?

  213. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Vasquez was a good trade, IMO. It’s not Cash’s fault that Javy just fell apart. He was supposed to be a buffer so that Phil could experience his growing pains. Ok, it didn’t work out. I don’t care about losing Vizcaino -it was worth the risk. It wasn’t even much of a risk- it just didn’t work out.

  214. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    # Rich in NJ October 20th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    Talk is cheap. Several years ago, he said that he would no longer have to sign free agent pitchers because of the pitchers he had in the system, yet since then he has signed CC, AJ, rented Vazquez, and will move heaven and earth to sign Lee.

    That has to change, and he needs to lose his blind spot for the manager.

    ==============

    I think that, overall, the philosophy is one they are trying to stick with, but the mishandling of Joba and the rush to get him, Hughes and IPK into the rotation screwed up that plan a bit. So they’ve gone a little to the other end of the spectrum, to keep the reigns a little too tight.

    I do think that the rotation of CC, Lee, Hughes, AJ (ugh) and someone from the farm will be what we see next year. If no Lee, then it will be a mixed bag and I don’t really know who might be a suitable replacement from the farm or from FA.

    Outside of the left of the IF, the rest of the position players are set for next year, at least. Depending on what they decide about RF, it will be set for years after that. They need to start grooming replacements for the left side of the IF.

  215. G-C October 20th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Good night guys.

    Season isn’t over yet.

    But I hope the offense doesn’t come out and expect Sabathia to do everything, thereby having us lose a 3-1 or 2-1 decision.

    CC needs to do something special tomorrow. I think he will.

    If he does, Phil gets the biggest test of his young career in game six, an exciting (and somewhat frightening) prospect.

    I remember in 2001 after leaving game 2 of the ALDS that we were still going to win the series unequivocally. I was young then but my reasoning I realize was still pretty sound. I don’t have that same gut feeling now.

    But anything can happen. And most of all, let’s do our best to keep baseball in perspective. Its as tough for me as anyone else, trust me.

    God bless you all and the Yankees. :)

  216. pat October 20th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Alex will be fine next year. It’s an odd numbered year. :wink:

    Cashman said this week that they told Robbie that they see him as a building block of the next Yankee core.

    He had a good step 1 this year, no?

  217. YankFanCA October 20th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Jeter hates to lose, no doubt. But Kobe Bryant and Jordan hate it even more. As for tomorrow, I expect the Yankees to be their usual uptight selves (just like their manager). The Rangers will be loose and aggressive, as no one expects them to sweep in NY. I hope CC can toss a shut-out. It might be needed.

  218. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    Throwing more money at problems wreaks of desperation. If Texas wins it all their playoff revenues will help them sign Lee, not to mention their new lucrative cable deal. They could make Lee a champion and lock him up before he has a chance to declare free agency. You could see the giddiness in Nolan Ryan tonight. He knows the money is coming and he’ll get the green light for a blank check for Lee if they win the ALCS. If they win the WS, there’s no question they have enough to keep him off the market.

  219. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    If Phil hadn’t been hurt, it would be a different story – but that’s not how things happened, unfortunately. He would have been the #4 starter in 2008 (assuming he stayed healthy in 2007) and, had he stayed healthy in 2008, would have been the same (or #3) in 2009. Then again, that’s all speculation; I can not say how Phil would have fared,. The point is, the Yankees needed pitching PRONTO in 2009

  220. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Bret The Hitman
    I understand the point you made. Tex and A-rod are streaky and going all in on them will cost the Yankees over time.

  221. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    # pat October 20th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Cashman said this week that they told Robbie that they see him as a building block of the next Yankee core.

    He had a good step 1 this year, no?
    ===

    Did he really say that? Wow, nice. I like it. Kid is going to win a batting title and hit 3 or 4 at some point in his career.

    Now to get some others up. Montero would be a good start…

  222. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    jeter hit well tonight. he has not hit well in the other games. tonight he really hit the heck out of the ball. of the wall at 408, a double to right. did not know he had it in him.

    golson in right, swisher at 1b, thames as dh… this lineup if they do what they should is still a damn good lineup.

    cc needs to be cc. longshot but they can still win this. swisher and the other blockheads need to stop trying to kill the ball, get hits….cannot try to hit a homer.

    alex does need to show up, he has had a bad playoffs and yes he has many partners in crime. everyone but cano and grandy have had big issues……

  223. Doreen October 20th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    I’m seriously not understanding some of the viewpoints here that have to do with the team struggling. It’s relative, isn’t it?

    Except for 2008, they have done pretty well for themselves, and even in 2008, they were well over .500, and did contend for a while in spite of some pretty devastating injuries.

    It’s like 95 wins isn’t enough for you guys, and I wonder what raw number of victories would ultimately satisfy?

    And it’s like you give no thought to the fact that there are some very competitive teams out there, many of which reside in the very same division the Yankees play in.

    I’m not saying you don’t try to improve every year, and the Yankees do do that, I believe. Sometimes the moves work, sometimes they don’t. You can’t control some stuff. You just can’t. You can try to set things up as best you can, but then stuff happens – some good, some bad.

  224. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    newsflash the yanks have a little more history then the rangers and a lot more money. if you think these rangers are the next big red machine you are delusional and listen to petey gammons to much.

    they have plenty of issues of there own………..

  225. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 1:48 am

    Batting with RISP is to a large degree luck. However, if you are looking for a possible explanation – it’s that this Yankee team, and a lot of teams in the post dynasty era, does not make enough contact. I am a sabermetrics guy, and believe in the value of OBP and SLG. Walks and homers will lead to runs in the long run. But plus pitching is about strikeouts, no walks and homers. This team has one .300 hitter, Cano. I agree with letting Damon and Matsui go, because of age. But Damon and Matsui were guys who could make contact. Granderson and the DH platoon give you a lot of swings and misses. Ditto Swisher. I thought the Billy Beane Moneyball team struggled in the playoffs because reliance on walks and homers didn’t work as well in short series as opposed to the long haul.

  226. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Oh yeah Stuart? And what exactly are the Rangers issues?

  227. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    elvis andrus is a very good player but the guy hit 270 wth zero home runs.. is he a keeper absolutely but he will never be what jeter was…

    moreland has played in 50 games, done a decent job not exactly the next gehrig. coldby lewis is 32. molina is 34 and had a bad year. francouer plays right against lefties with a 200 obp. this is not the reds of 1976. the yanks are hitting 100 with RISP.

  228. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    As for the ‘homegrown talent’ of the 90s, look at the ‘lifer’ Yankees of that run: Bernie, JoPo, Jeter, Pettitte, Mo.

    This year, not including those, is Cano, Gardner, Hughes, Joba, DRob. I think their homegrown movement is going pretty well. Hopefully Montero next year.

  229. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Just throwing money around is not a good business strategy. And how does it feel when your only answer is to buy up talent year after year. The strategy in the 90′s worked and this spending binge has not paid that many dividends.

  230. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    bret the hitman texas issues. assuming they sing lee here they are;

    catcher…1b… 3rd outfielder. bullpen, and 2 or 3 starters. how is that feldman signing looking. also beforer you tell me all the money the rangers are going to add in new revenue i need to see it.

    look at the ages and stats of there players. hamilton is a stud also 29…andrus a luis aparicio type of ss with upside, moreland a question mark..cc wilson we will see oer time. etc. all teams have question marks and texas has as many as most.

    angels get crawford and make a few more moves they will be right back in the mix……..

  231. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Stuart,

    Their scrubs are better than our scrubs.

    Their stars are better than our stars.

    The have stable ownership in place.

    Their farm system is stacked.

    They have a new cable deal.

    They have playoff revenues.

    They could make Lee a champion.

    But you want him to walk away from a winner to join the team he destroyed?

    That really sux.

  232. Betsy October 20th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Jeremy, you keep saying that, but the Yankees went after CC – they NEEDED him. They went after Tex- nothing wrong with that. They needed another pitcher, they took a chance on AJ. It was AJ or Lowe- and Lowe had an awful year last year in the NL (ok, he rebounded this year). What did you want them to do with their pitching staff?

  233. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    # Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Just throwing money around is not a good business strategy. And how does it feel when your only answer is to buy up talent year after year. The strategy in the 90’s worked and this spending binge has not paid that many dividends.
    =========

    True, but there’s a balance to it. Trying to sign Cliff Lee is a replacement for Andy Pettitte, whether he retires after this year or next. He is an elite pitcher that cannot be found in the farm at this moment. So he’s a piece to get. He’s not Randy Johnson or Gary Sheffield. He’s not Roger Clemens round 2.

    If they were trading Robbie, Hughes, etc. to grab Grienke, Utley, whomever, then it would be a colossal mistake in philosophy. But they aren’t doing that.

  234. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    The Rangers are also younger and built better for the long term.

    Lee would be crazy not to take CC money before declaring his free agency and the Rangers would be crazy not to pony up CC money to keep him off the market.

  235. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    jeremy you are right. making the playoffs every year except one is a bad result. also the yanks got swisher who has been a good regular season player for nothing and no one elese wanted him. granderson is 29 and a good player and they gave up ajax who may become granderson for detroit over time.

    the yanks have more homegrown players on there roster then any team outside of tampa i think.

    look at the new darlings texas lets go thru there player development moves/ lee(trade), vladdy FA. molina trade. andrus trade for tex. kinsler home grown.. moreland(home grown). murphy trade, francouer trade, cruz trade, feliz trade. oliver FA. etc..

    most teams do not develop there own….

  236. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    CR9
    Yeah and how is Lee going to help improve and old A-rod, old Jeter and so on. The fact is that the Core 4 will be gone real soon and Cano and Hughes are the best out of the new bunch.

    Also Lee will get worse over the course of his contract. Steroids are no longer a commodity to use these days so you can’t expect veterans to perform at high levels till the very end.

  237. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Jeremy

    Get over it. The Yankees have and will always be about throwing large amounts of money at the player du jour. They aren’t ever going to change that philosophy even with the talent in their minor league system. Honestly, I think we are really lucky to see cano, gardner and hughes. Guys who somehow managed to stick it out in NY and didn’t get traded away as soon as someone better came along. If you really want a team that doesn’t throw away money and promotes from within perhaps you should become a Rays fan, cause the Yankees are never going to change.

  238. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Hitman – if all you say is true, I don’t think Lee would want to pitch long term in the Texas heat. But regardless of all that, Lee wants to get paid. That’s why he was traded from Philly. Lee wanted to test the market. It’s almost always about the money.

  239. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    The Texas heat certainly doesn’t bother Lee in October when it counts.

  240. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    30 Neftali Feliz RP R R 22 6-3 215 Azua, Dominican Republic $402,000
    45 Derek Holland SP B L 24 6-2 193 Newark, OH N/A
    35 Tommy Hunter SP R R 24 6-3 280 Indianapolis, IN $409,850
    62 Michael Kirkman RP L L 24 6-4 195 Lake City, FL N/A
    33 Cliff Lee SP L L 32 6-3 190 Benton, AR $9,000,000
    48 Colby Lewis SP R R 31 6-4 230 Bakersfield, CA $1,750,000
    56 Darren O’Day RP R R 27 6-4 220 Jacksonville, FL $400,000
    64 Alexi Ogando RP R R 27 6-4 185 San Pedro, Dominican Republic N/A
    28 Darren Oliver RP R L 40 6-2 200 Kansas City, MO $3,000,000
    59 Clay Rapada RP R L 29 6-5 200 Portsmouth, VA N/A
    36 C.J. Wilson SP L L 29 6-1 210 Newport Beach, CA $3,100,000

    Catchers
    NO. NAME POS BAT THW AGE HT WT BIRTH PLACE SALARY
    11 Bengie Molina C R R 36 5-11 225 Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico $4,500,000
    15 Matt Treanor C R R 34 6-0 210 Garden Grove, CA $750,000

    Infielders
    NO. NAME POS BAT THW AGE HT WT BIRTH PLACE SALARY
    1 Elvis Andrus SS R R 22 6-0 200 Maracay, Venezuela $418,420
    3 Andres Blanco 2B B R 26 5-10 190 Urama, Venezuela $510,000
    8 Jorge Cantu 1B R R 28 6-3 207 McAllen, TX $6,000,000
    5 Ian Kinsler 2B R R 28 6-0 200 Tucson, AZ $4,200,000
    18 Mitch Moreland 1B L L 25 6-2 230 Amory, MS N/A
    10 Michael Young 3B R R 33 6-1 200 Covina, CA $13,174,974

    Outfielders
    NO. NAME POS BAT THW AGE HT WT BIRTH PLACE SALARY
    29 Julio Borbon CF L L 24 6-0 195 Starkville, MS $600,000
    17 Nelson Cruz RF R R 30 6-2 240 Monte Cristi, Dominican Republic $440,000
    21 Jeff Francoeur RF R R 26 6-5 220 Atlanta, GA $5,000,000
    32 Josh Hamilton LF L L 29 6-4 240 Raleigh, NC $3,250,000
    7 David Murphy LF L L 29 6-4 205 Houston, TX $427,670

    Designated Hitters
    NO. NAME POS BAT THW AGE HT WT BIRTH PLACE SALARY
    27 Vladimir Guerrero DH R R 35 6-3 235 Nizao Bani, Dominican Republic $5,500,000
    Roster Analysis RHB LHB SHB RHP LHP AVG HT AVG WT AVG AGE Young Old
    Rangers 9 4 1 5 6 6-2 212 28.6 22 40

    texas 40 man roster is 28.6 years old the yanks is 30. with a 40 year old mo and 39 year old jorge and berkman and others that will not be on the team next year. brett hitman is right the texas srangers are stacked and will win the next 5 champonships. I am worng. They are a dynasty. with oodles of new unknown revenue sources. see texas is not having a recession or a slowdown like the rest of the countRY… MY BAD. Nolan ryans theories are going to revolutionize baseball forever…

  241. pat October 20th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Hamilton making $3.5M this year.

    He’s going to cost them a few pennies more for next year either before or during arbitration.

  242. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 2:02 am

    Betsy
    I think that the Yankees should make moves that make sense. But eventually the Yankees buying up talent year after year gets real old real fast. I also think small market teams should spend more.

    But the Yankes did better when they made smart trades, brought up homegrown talent, with a payroll below 200 million dollars and they won more. Why not go with the formula that works better.

  243. The Other Phil October 20th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Ultimately, whatever Lee decides to do, I believe he’s made it clear that he is going to test free agency. I would expect that, unless Texas makes an insane offer ($25m x 7 or 8). It’s a smart career move to do so. If/when he does, I expect the Yankees to make a huge offer and get CC involved in heavy recruitment. Outside of those teams, I really don’t know that anyone else will be in the mix.

  244. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    He knows the money is coming and he’ll get the green light for a blank check for Lee if they win the ALCS. If they win the WS, there’s no question they have enough to keep him off the market.
    ————-

    Why are you assuming that Lee wants to stay there? Just because they want him it doesn’t mean he wants to be stay there. The Yankees are the only team with unlimited amounts of money that can hand someone a “blank check”. The Rangers have to give Hamilton and Cruz gigantic raises and fill out their pitching staff. The Yanks want him and it’s very obvious they will go out all out to get him and Lee will go to the highest bidder, the Rangers aren’t beating the Yanks at the money game.

  245. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    CR9,

    Fine. The point is that October weather is colder and the heat factor is a desperate reach by fans who think Lee will be a Yankee.

  246. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:05 am

    michael young, vladdy, and others are not getting older like jeter or arod they are following nolan ryans new training regimen then nullifies the aging process.

    brett the hitman is right the rangers cannot be stopped it is over for at least 5 years or more.

    brett i will bet you any amount of money that lee tests the free agent process?????????????

    come on big man take me up on that bet. lee would be insane to leave such a good situation!!1111

  247. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 2:05 am

    Watching the Yankees not hit against the Rangers makes me wonder what Cliff Lee is thinking. He obviously knows he is good so that’s one guy they shouldn’t be able to hit, but to not hit Hunter, Lewis and the BP? He might wonder if its the right place to sign(I know money is really the only motivator) he might feel like he is back in Seattle where he can toss a gem and still lose. (I know this post makes no sense but there’s no one else awake for me to bring it up with)

  248. Vineyard Yankee October 20th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Bret The Hitman
    October 20th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    ===============

    Do you really think that Lee is going to pass up his first real opportunity to test the F/A market ? Regardless of what the Rangers do or don’t do ?

  249. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    1-4 6.35 ERA Cliff Lee in August in Texas.

  250. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    tyanksfan36
    It’s not about spending it about stupid spending. And Cashman and the Yankee front office over the course of the decade threw alot of good money after bad.

    It’s about being prudent and managing the right way not just buying up talent left and right.

  251. Amandla October 20th, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Where’s Kate Hudson when you need her?

  252. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    yep the 7 playoffs take precednet over the yanks leading the league in runs scored for 3 straight years..

    those 3 years were flukes and yes, grandrson at 29, gardner at 27, swisher at 29, tex at 30, cano at 27 are all on the downslide and they have no talent in the minors or no resources to get any new players.

    yep cliff lee would never want to go to the yanks since they have no recent history of winning………….yep that is retarded……

  253. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    Darn right. If fans think the only reason why we’re losing to the Rangers is Cliff Lee and that Cliff Lee could make solve all our problems, haven’t been watching this team’s bullpen and offense and aging core.

    Sure Arod and Tex are tied up for 20 more years and Jeter for 4 or 5 more but there’s unlimited money to buy a perfect team, mercenary by mercenary, offseason to offseason.

  254. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    Also we really don’t know what Cliff Lee will do. If the Rangers win it all then Lee might want to stay in Texas. Also Texas has lower taxes than New York and he would be close to his backyard.

  255. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:10 am

    most of the stupid spending was done when the loud mouth steinny was in charge for about 6 months. arod for 10 years, jorge for 4 years etc.

    cahsman knows what he is doing…….

  256. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 2:11 am

    But, more importantly, than the heat. It’s about the MONEY. Lee wouldn’t sign an extension with Phillies, who only went to WS two years in the row, have a fairly young nucleus and a stocked farm system.

  257. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Jeremy

    They’ve always been about spending the money on players who are at the top of their game right now. That’s why they wanted vazquez, cause he was good in atlanta, they want Lee because of how dominant he is. That’s the way they have always done things and I don’t ever see them changing. I believe in promoting from within. I would love to see them show that they can win championships with their farm talent because I am 100% sure that the could. I just don’t ever see that happening. Yankee “fans” don’t want to sit through the agony of rookie mistakes when there is the possibility of getting an established player either by FA or trade. That’s really why I think they traded for granderson for jackson.

  258. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    tex is tied up until he is 35 not the shrewdest move but not terrible. the arod trade is bad. look at the yanks minors they are loaded. hughes is 24, cc is 30 1 year older then ccj wilson and 2 years younger then cliff lee.

    cc is 1 year older the hamilton who is 1 year older then kinsler. kinsler is older then cano.

    this is stupid game the yanks are more talented then the rangers but through 4 games have not played like that. they won 5 more games during the regular season in a much tougher division by far….

  259. Jeremy October 20th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Bret the Hitman
    Some people just don’t get it. They think the Yankees can spend their way alone to prosperity. The problem is that Lee will only add to the overpriced veterans which will hinder the Yankees from making moves in the future.

  260. umbrelladoc October 20th, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Bret-
    Hypothetically, lets say that Cashman offered up Montero, Nunez, and Mccalister for Lee, and Seattle accepts. Do you think the Yankees are down 3-1 to the Rangers in the ALCS?

  261. Crash October 20th, 2010 at 2:18 am

    A-Rod has been a great yankee. They wouldn’t have won number 27 without him. He had so many clutch hits these past two years. They wouldn’t even had made it to the postseason in Torre’s last year if it wasn’t for A-Rod.

    I know he is struggling this postseason. But I dont get how yankee fans can complain about his overall body of work as a yankee.

  262. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:19 am

    yep a 1 year rental of vazquez is like signing cliff lee for 7 years. vazquez is gone in as short as 1 day. his trade cost them melky and a pitching prospect. the yanks got boone logan who is 26 and vazquez, that was a good trade……

    lets 1 more time go thru the homegrown yanks on the team that only buys players;;;jorge, cano, jeter, gardy, robertson, joba, hughes, pettitte, pena, nunez, cervelli, and golson. last year or earlier this year it was up to 15 guys with nova and some others..mosely minor league signing like mitre…

    fa signings are; cc, aj, tex,

    trades are; kearns, berkman, wood, granderson, vazquez and swisher….

    there roster are not al lfree agent signings and the trades were far from blockbuster trades…

  263. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Jeremy,

    That’s why I like Crawford. He’s younger than Lee and will be a better contract. He’s not a necessity like pitching is but you want value in a big money contract. Besides, I think the Yankees have the ability to trade for number 2 starter who makes far less than 25 million per season.

  264. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    the problem with arod is 7 more years at $25 mill. loud mouth steinny could have had him for many less years and many less dollars. that is the problem with arod..

  265. stuart a October 20th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    crawford is 29 and his legs are huge part of his game. speed goes over time. lee is a guy you get for money only. they give up no talent to get…

    grienke is 5 years younger then lee but you give up 4 players or so and he has never done zilch in big games. will he perform? no one knows….

  266. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    New Post ——>

  267. Bret The Hitman October 20th, 2010 at 2:23 am

    I’d much rather stay younger and put up big money investments in players in their prime and not leaving their prime.

  268. tyanksfan36 October 20th, 2010 at 2:24 am

    stuart

    I argue all the time that the Yankees don’t buy championships. The ALDS clincher lineup was stocked full of homegrowm Yankees. Phil, jorge, cano, jeter, thames, gardner, robertson, mo. I’m sure I left out someone. But people never notice that, they just see the big bucks spent on Alex, Tex and CC. If we sign Lee, it will just fuel the “yankees buy championships” garbage. I love seeing our guys(it was my favorite part about expanded rosters in sept.) But people never notice them. Core 4 and Cano aside.

  269. Wang IS Taiwan October 20th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    Captain Clutch October 20th, 2010 at 12:35 am
    I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear after the season that Girardi is dealing with something negative in his life right now. Whether it’s a divorce, someone died or his father being really, really sick. Something is going on. It seems like the games are secondary to him since September. In his post games he can’t even handle reporters asking him why he made a move. He asks like a child when someone asks him a simple question.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Joe has ALWAYS been defensive when his moves are questioned. It’s the arrogance in play.

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