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Damaso Marte out until all-star break

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In a shocking upset, a player has arrived on locker clean-out day.

That player was one of the least likely to be here: Left-handed reliever Damaso Marte who just walked in with his left arm in a sling. I have to assume that means he had the surgery that Brian Cashman previously said was possible.

He walked in and out, but said he’ll be back to talk in a few minutes.

UPDATE, 11:21 a.m.: Marte had labrum surgery on Friday and won’t throw until after the all-star break. Oddly enough, he took that as good news. Marte was worried that surgery would mean the end of his career.

UPDATE, 11:34 a.m.: Marte seemed to feel legitimately bad that he wasn’t available to pitch in the postseason. He also seemed legitimately relieved to get the problem diagnosed and fixed.

“It’s hard when you feel something inside and sometimes they don’t find out what’s the problem,” he said. “Right now, we know what we have and the labrum is very cut. But now they fix it, and I feel happy because I know I can pitch maybe next year.”

By “cut” I have to assume Marte meant torn. Whatever the exact problem, a bad labrum is a significant problem for a pitcher. It’s revealing that Marte through this might be the end of his career. That’s much more significant than some light shoulder soreness.

“I have to make (the shoulder) better because it’s a lot of pain,” Marte said. “Right now I feel comfortable because the doctor, he gave me a good idea for my arm. He told me, you’re getting better. Next year, I think I can pitch.”

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137 Responses to “Damaso Marte out until all-star break”

  1. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I apologize.

    $$$$$$$

  2. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Pretty sure Greinke specifically said he did not want to play in New York.

  3. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    If Marte won’t start throwing until after the all star break he will miss most of the season if not all.

  4. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Is Marte still under contract to the Yankees?

  5. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Fran,

    How are you doing?

  6. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Well LGY this Greinke stuff is driving me crazy too – we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’m not going to get into an argument with you about it – we’re just not on the same page or in the same book at all.

    Ugh – bad news on Marte. I’m still happy about the trade because without him I’m not sure we win the WS last year, but still…………….and when he comes back, how effective is he going to me? Yankees need to get another lefty reliever and hope Logan doesn’t regress.

  7. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Hi SAS,

    Everything is status quo. Weather has been really nice here, but I am sure that will change soon. How are things in Arizona?

  8. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    “[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”

  9. Bronx Jeers October 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    To date Marte has received 12 mil to pitch 4 very big innings last postseason.

    Let’s just hope he can help them late next season. Maybe.

  10. Trevor October 24th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    “Move Arod to DH next year” Francesa.

  11. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    The bullpen definitely struggled in the playoffs. It’s one area we’re definitely going to look at. We’re serious about both short term fixes and long term strategies as well.

    $$$$$$$

  12. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Chad and Sam plus the entire LoHud crew-Thank you.

    Mike Vaccaro had an interesting article today in the NY Post. Within the article you can play GM and pick players for the 2011 roster.

    I’ll be very surprised, after resigning Jeter, Rivera, possibly Pettitte and if Lee gets signed[Yankees have close to 144 million guaranteed already for 2011 before any FA is signed] that other expensive free agents aresigned or expensive contracts are traded for.

    Here’s the interesting article on a “take” where Girardi might have stuck the “dagger” in the Rays hearts, but instead opted to play our JV team.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....yusM35BnlN

  13. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Jerkface, yet people just want to ignore stuff like this and spew out cliches like we’re playing armchair psychologist. That’s foolish, but taking into account Greinke’s own words and previous history is not? Trading a boatload of top prospects for Greinke isn’t taking a risk? Hogwash.

  14. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    I’m not reading that Post article, I’m not listening to Francesca – and I’m undoubtedly better off. How dumb – moving Alex to DH. He obviously wasn’t healthy this year; can we wait and see how things shake out next year before making that drastic a move?

  15. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Is Marte still under contract to the Yankees?
    ——————————————–

    Yes-1 more year for 4 million, gathering monthly paychecks while his bullpen seat gathers dust!

  16. RSM October 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Apology LGY?

  17. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    The NY Post has never created an interesting ‘take’, except when I take it to the bathroom to use for toilet paper.

  18. Trevor October 24th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    # Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    I’m not reading that Post article, I’m not listening to Francesca – and I’m undoubtedly better off. How dumb – moving Alex to DH. He obviously wasn’t healthy this year; can we wait and see how things shake out next year before making that drastic a move?
    ________

    It’s just dumb nonsense as usual. :lol:

    He also want the Yankees to move Jeter to 3rd and get a “stud 20 something” SS. HA

  19. Oscar Madison October 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Just forget Marte, pay him his last year and count on him for nothing. 60 day DL.

  20. 108 stitches October 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    No surprise with Marte. All the more reason for Cashman to add a reliable bullpen lefthander to his list of things to do.
    Too many times Boone Logan was used up in a 6th or 7th inning matchup and the bullpen was empty of lefthanders for the rest of the game. Meanwhile, the likes of Gaudin and Mitre were taking up space in the bullpen.

  21. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Earlier this week Francesa suggested that if Girardi is not back the Yanks should make Jeter a player/manager.

  22. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Jeter is the last person I’d want managing a team. The real ‘managers types’ on the team are A-rod and Posada. Jeter has no attention to detail, he is too instinctive and not analytical enough.

  23. LGY October 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Apology LGY?

    ********

    For what? I have posted what jerk face just did at least 20 times on this blog.

    Ill say it again

    Zack Greinke NEVER said he did not want to play in NY.

  24. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    And there is no way Jeter’s personality will fly in the media if he were manager. He wouldn’t get away with all his non-answers.

  25. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Fran,

    Things are fine here. The weather is gorgeous and getting much cooler. We will be in NY next weekend for a family occasion and then back here for a couple of weeks. Home before Thanksgiving then we drive back after that with the dog…no under belly of the plane for the princess. We desperately need a second car here.

  26. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    LGY, thats as much an admission as you are going to get out of a player. Why would the yankees take a shot at a guy who admits he would probably have problems in New York? No one would ever 100% rule out a destination because it would kill their market value, but come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

    Look at what he is saying, “I am fine anywhere, except New York.”

  27. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Which of these players will be first to achieve the following during the 2011 season:

    1. Jeter hits a homerun to right field?

    2. Posada throws out a runner trying to steal second?

    3. Burnett wins a game without walking a batter, hitting a batter, or throwing a wild pitch?

    4. Teixeira gets a ground ball single, batting from the left side against the shift?

  28. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Trevor, lol. Since the end of the season, I’ve read very few articles – and I’m truly happy. That Vaccarro piece sounds like something even his mother wouldn’t love!

  29. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    I think player/manager is a ridiculous idea……….for Jeter or for anyone else. What Francesca means is sports talk show host/manager because that would probably be his dream job.

  30. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    It’s not even just NY – by all accounts Greinke does not want to play in big cities like Boston, NY, Philadelphia. He seems like a self-aware young man – good for him. He also apparently would like to play in Minnesota……

  31. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Although we took his advice in placing Jobber back in the pen, you all have to remember that Mike is not the General Manager of this team. All sports talk personalities are entitled to their opinions. Sometimes they’re right. Often times their wrong.

    $$$$$$$

  32. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    No to player manager! However one can wonder if Tony Pena or Joe Girardi would have been better defensively behind the plate some nights? :)

  33. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    SAS,

    I would guess you can’t get around Arizona easily without a car. I was in Arizona a few years back for a business conference. I stayed in Phoenix but drove up to Sedona for a day.

    Glad all is well. Turning my attention to the Jets with the baseball season over. But this should be an interesting off season for the Yankees.

  34. Erin October 24th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    And there is no way Jeter’s personality will fly in the media if he were manager. He wouldn’t get away with all his non-answers.

    **************************************
    That would be pretty entertaining to watch though. ;)

  35. Erin October 24th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Love this: :lol:

    KenDavidoff As J. Peterman told Elaine, “I think not.” RT @lot_49 Will the Captain ask to hit lower in the order for the team’s benefit? #Yankees

  36. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    “Will the Captain ask to hit lower in the order for the team’s benefit?”

    I think not!

  37. LGY October 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Face

    Really have to go but real quick.

    If you have followed Greinke in his career and listened to his press conferences/interviews, the guy does not hold back. There is no reason to read into his words. He says how he feels.

    He also says “almost everyone does.” So should the Yankees not pursue anyone because almost everyone may have problems in NY?

    Taking what he said in that interview when he was being extremely candid and reporting it as he never wants to play in NY is misleading and frankly wrong.

    Really this time. Later.

  38. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    I do think that Pena as a catcher/coach could have worked :)

    Jeter as a player/manager, not a good idea.
    Besides I really think Girardi is coming back.

  39. West Coast Yankee Fan October 24th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Talk show hosts should get a little more slack. It’s impossible for anyone to talk non-stop for hours, to have to entertain, without saying something that might be perceived as stupid once in a while. You should try it.

    They are also prone to throwing out comments like the A-Rod/Jeter ones to stimulate discussion. It’s not as if he suggested A-Rod should pitch.

  40. WP50 October 24th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    The problem with Marte is I believe they could have picked up his option instead of signing him to a three year contract….didn’t he have a history of shoulder issues??

  41. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    There is no way in this world that ARod will DH unless his Drs. advise it. That would be one very expensive DH for a lot of years. I like Mike but that is a doozy. I have said before that I don’t think Jeter will play that much longer.

    Jeter seems to have worked out his life in such a way that he will now get married and have kids. I think he will want to be with them. I don’t think he will ever take a full time baseball job like manager. I think he will play more of a Yankee ambassador role, more like Reggie.

  42. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Greinke has the ability to block deals to 15 clubs for 2011, down from 20 clubs last year, with remaining 13.5M coming in each of the next 2 years.

    If you have to trade away key assets, which might include Montero, is Greinke really the pitcher you want to trade for?

  43. Ruby Tuesday October 24th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Go Yankees !

  44. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    WP50-

    In hindsight they could have picked up Marte’s option, which I believe was 6 million.

  45. blake October 24th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    The idea of arod as a manager is interesting. I know he loves the game and has a legendary work ethic but its hard for me to imagine him in a dugout as a manager…..though I think he would have a chance to be a good one. His aspirations could be ownership of a team one day.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    And yet another parallel (though I got it wrong on the prediction chart and have to change it.)

    Both the favorites were out in 6 games.

    I find this fascinating.

    1. The Yanks and Phils were both heavy favorites to win their CLSs.

    2. Both swept their DS and had to wait until the other DS was decided to start their CLSs.

    3. The Texas series went the longest, thereby giving them the shortest amount of time between series.

    4. The scores between the Phils and the Giants were much closer, but so was the differential between their ending the DS and starting the CS.

    5. Pitchers are creatures of habit; too much rest can throw off their game. Witness Roy Halliday, who pitched a no hitter in the first game of the DS yet gave up 4 ER in the 1st game of the CS.

    and a for-the-heck-of-it

    6. Yanks and Phils are the two oldest teams in the majors

    *************

    Pitching pitching pitching

    Burnett went 10-15 (ouch)

    Javy went 10-10

    If each had won just 2 more games – not an unreasonable request – the Yanks would have won the division.

    And then it’s possible that number 7 would have been:

    Both teams who lost in the CLS won their divisions.

    ***********************

    You can drive yourself crazy trying to figure out things that just aren’t figureable!

    :)

  47. Oscar Madison October 24th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    The Yankees should be diligent and talk to other possible managers. Valentine, Torre and Randolph come to mind. Girardi is a complete nincompoop.

  48. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Zack Greinke is a Cy Young award winner. If you talk to people around the league, they’ll take him at the top of their staff.

    $$$$$$$

  49. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Trisha,

    You could drive yourself crazy but there are some interesting parallels between the Yanks and Phillies as you pointed out.

    Not that I care much about the WS, but if you are still keeping the chart I’ll pick SF in 6. I really hope they beat Texas.

  50. Crawdaddy October 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    “Jeter is the last person I’d want managing a team. The real ‘managers types’ on the team are A-rod and Posada. Jeter has no attention to detail, he is too instinctive and not analytical enough.”

    I agree about Jeter not managing this team, but the rest of your post is just plain dumb.

  51. West Coast Yankee Fan October 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    WP50-In hindsight they could have picked up Marte’s option, which I believe was 6 million.

    ***************

    Marte is under contract in 2011 for $4million. The Yankees hold a club option for him in 2012.

  52. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    We have every intention to keep Joe Girardi as our manager. You can quote me on that.

    $$$$$$$

  53. Joe from Long Island October 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    SAS – I agree with you about Jeter. He still wants to play, else he would have indicated so to the Yankees, and they’d have a better future SS lined up than Nunez.

    I think Jete’s thinking of his post-baseball career with Minka. At this point, a short term deal, say 2-3 years, is my guess. Time for the Yanks to come up with a new SS. I think the last thing he wants is to stick around too long. With his level of self-confidence, my guess is that he see 2-3 as the right time frame for himself. Whether that’s all at SS is another question. Depends on how soon the Yanks can indentify the new SS.

  54. Crawdaddy October 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    I agree with Francesa on one thing. I wouldn’t be surprise to see them have a new pitching coach next season.

  55. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Trisha-

    Thanks for your post. The Yankees should have won the division, had home field advantage, but the outcome during the ALDS against what would now would have been the Rangers, might have meant we lost and possibly gotten swept with a fully rested Ranger team, although Josh Hamilton was just coming back from his injury.

  56. blake October 24th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    The primary reason to avoid going down the Greinke road is the cost of acquiring him in talent….not whether he could handle NY because none of us knows the true answer to that question….having teams like the yankees and red sox on a no trade list is good business as it gives you leverage.

  57. West Coast Yankee Fan October 24th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Hitting and pitching coaches get far too much credit and far too much blame.

  58. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Greinke being candid does not have anything to do with other players. If you take Greinke at face then he is admitting to an intimidation with New York, regardless of how he spins it. Greinke does not know what everything is thinking, but you know what Greinke is thinking.

    So I would be hesitant to sign Greinke or trade for Greinke.

  59. tyanksfan36 October 24th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    I think alex could be a manager. I don’t really see Jeter as a manager. As for Greinke, I think that he would definitely help the pitching issues but we would have to give up a lot of talent for him.

  60. Ruby Tuesday October 24th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Hi Trisha baby.

  61. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    WCYF-

    I was referring to Marte’s 6 million 2009 option with a .25 million buyout that the Yankees declined and instead signed him to the following:

    3 years/$12M (2009-11), plus 2012 club option

    re-signed by Yankees as a free agent 11/12/08
    09:$3.75M, 10:$4M, 11:$4M, 12:$4M club option ($0.25M buyout)

  62. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Crawdaddy,

    I steal Dave Duncan from the Cards for Eiland. How about you?

  63. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    I would be shocked if Eiland isn’t back………………. I’m so glad I’m not listening to Francesca

  64. Tyler October 24th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Chad-

    Mizzou was absolutely rocking yesterday. So glad they could prove the “experts” like Craig James and Corso wrong. Absolutely dominated the line of scrimmage…. a Great win for all!

  65. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    *I’ll

  66. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Blake, I don’t agree. That may be the reason for you, but for me it’s everything I’ve said..

  67. Tyler October 24th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    I think with LaRussa back that Duncan will be back also. Duncan had a reputation for struggling with young pitchers but I think that reputation is slowly changing with Garcia’s success couple with Wainwright….

  68. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    And I’m fine with Eiland……………absolutely.

  69. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    We like our coaching staff. We have no plans to change anything there. Put your pen to your iPad and quote me on that gentlemen.

    $$$$$$$

  70. Crawdaddy October 24th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    I don’t see Alex as any managerial material either.

  71. Tyler October 24th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I can’t see A-rod as a manager. Maybe a hitting coach later on and I could definitely see him staying active in the game and being at Yankee ST every year helping the young guys but for some reason I can’t see him as manager. I really don’t know if there are any potential managers on the Yanks right now.

    Jeter won’t want to do it, Posada actualy could but doubt he wants to, Rivera would make the world’s greatest pitching coach…. It would be a staff full of cutters.

  72. Crawdaddy October 24th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    “And I’m fine with Eiland……………absolutely.”

    I’m not!

  73. Joe from Long Island October 24th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    1. I would be surprised if Eiland isn’t back. Guys, I’m not an Eiland-basher. From what I’ve seen, he’s done his job. AJ and Vaz are what they are, and nobody on this planet could have changed them.

    2. I would be shocked – not surprised, but really shocked – if Duncan left St. Louis. He and LaRussa are surgically connected at the hip.

  74. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Ok, Craw – so this will be another thing we disagree on. No problem.

    Anyway, we really need Lee very much, Phil needs to step up – a lot -we need Andy and we need AJ to improve. CC was not good in the post-season except for 1 game and even then he wasn’t sharp; the workload on his shoulders is pretty enormous for even him to handle. I don’ t mean just in terms of innings, but pressure. He carried this team for the entire 2nd half.

  75. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Joe, yep about Eiland.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Fran, the parallels are there for sure, aren’t they. I’m definitely with you on picking my new favorite NL team, the Giants. I also hope Ian Kinsler ends up with nothing more than a mouthful of dirt!

    Trader you’re right. I certainly think the Yanks fared better against Minny than they would have against the Rangers. Minny kind of faded down the stretch. The Rangers got hot at the right time.

    Okay, I will now fix the chart and post it. Predictions are open for the world series. I will take them up until one hour before the start of the first game. If you want a prediction on the chart, please put my name in the post so that I am sure to see it.

    And after I post the chart I better go and set my football lineup!!!

    :)

  77. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    SAS-

    Don Cooper of the White Sox, a NY native and a highly respected pitching coach, might be available if Ozzie Guillen is not rehired.

    All of the Yankee coaches have expiring contracts this year.

  78. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    I was sort of joking about Dave Duncan. I never want to see LaRussa as Yankee manager, and if those 2 are attached at the hip, let them go elsewhere.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Take this to the bank. Dave Eiland will be back. He’s a pitching coach, not a miracle worker!

  80. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    We feel good about our team with or without Cliff Lee moving forward. We have a great deal of depth and we like our flexibility. I think it’s safe to say, the New York Yankees and Cliff Lee have PARTED WAYS!!!

    $$$$$$$

  81. yanksfansince67 October 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Not a huge fan of Francesca, but in fairness to him:

    Jeter as player manager was suggested by a caller and Francesca did not totally dismiss the idea.

    Arod as DH and Jeter at third was part of a long dissertation on where the Yankees go from here. There were several specifics that you might disagree with (which is the point, I guess) but the prevailing theme was the Yanks need to get younger and more athletic and have really only 10 players on the roster that are no-question Yankees next year. He argued the most important position to get youthful at, among those not locked in by Tex, Cano, Granderson, was shortstop.

    Vaccaro’s take about that third game of the Rays series, after the Yanks won the first two, being the day to start resting players is not unique and was covered fairly extensively on this blog.

    It sent a bad message to the team and things did get odd after that. As down as so many are on Girardi, however, including me, perhaps we should try to remember he is young and has only done it for 4 years. Perhaps with more experience his reliance will be greater on his gut and less on his binder. Bruce Bochy was cited last night (on MLB) as someone who made mistakes in the post season but has learned his lesson.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    And of course Girardi will be back (also bankable) and I am pleased as punch with that!

  83. Tyler October 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    I just don’t see a coaching staff shakeup. Cashman and the higher ups seem pretty happy with the season despite not winning it all. Girardi seems close to his coaches and I can’t see a shakeup. It was hard for him to let go of Meachem who was the worst 3rd base coach I’ve ever seen… Can’t see him letting go of guys after an ALCS run.

  84. Crawdaddy October 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    I just think all of the coaches except Long are going to be evaluated on whether they should return and I think Eiland is at the top of the list.

  85. blake October 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Betsy,

    I don’t want them to pursue Greinke but I don’t think anyone here knows him well enough to proclaim that he couldn’t handle NYC. I think the quote everyone points to is taken out of context and we have no idea how things may have changed with him since that point. I think he would have an adjustment period like everyone else but at some point that talent would begin to shine through…I just think he would cost way too much to consider unless they are left out on both Lee and Pettite….then that changes things a bit.

  86. Oscar Madison October 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    When you fail to win the World Series changes are a comin, players, coaches, the manager, support staff etc.. Shuck the deadwood.

  87. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    And after I post the chart I better go and set my football lineup!!!
    *********************************
    Trisha,

    Now there is a team that’s on a roll :)

  88. Jerkface October 24th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I can’t see A-rod as a manager. Maybe a hitting coach later on and I could definitely see him staying active in the game and being at Yankee ST every year helping the young guys but for some reason I can’t see him as manager.

    Why not?? A-rod loves the game of baseball, is one of the few players who actually watches baseball. He is 24/7 baseball. He has amazing attention to detail, recall, and is one of the most strategically gifted players in the game.

  89. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Blake, I understand………I just disagree.

  90. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    Now that the Cubs already chose their manager, I guess that Girardi will be back. I think he would have been tempted to manage his old club with less pressure. I am not the biggest Girardi fan (as a manager) in the world. I have no idea who might replace him so it will probably be the status quo.

  91. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Well Brian C., I’m glad you feel good about the current Yankee team, but many of us here on the blog are concerned about, but not limited to, the Yankees defensive shortcomings at the catching position, next years bullpen and 8th inning pitcher, the starting rotation, hitting with RISP, and an aging A-Rod and Jeter, not to mention the bench, and whether Hal Steinbrenner will increase the payroll another 20-25M over last year.

  92. mick October 24th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    As for parallels, how about both cleanup hitters taking called strike 3 to end it?

  93. Crawdaddy October 24th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “As for parallels, how about both cleanup hitters taking called strike 3 to end it?”

    So?

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Okay kids. Here’s the corrected chart. Thanks to SAS again for her honesty (seeing it cost her points.)

    ;)

    http://members.cox.net/lsdorgan/UPDATE2.pdf

  95. Yankee Trader October 24th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    SAS-

    I think Girardi will be back, as will many of the coaching staff get rehired.
    Hope Girardi lightens up next year and gets himself thrown out of some games to fire up the team. There’s an oxymoron for you!!! lol.

  96. Brian Cashman October 24th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    We have identified our weaknesses and we will execute a plan. We’re always looking for ways to improve the team. We don’t want to limit ourselves to one player necessarily. We want to use our depth and our flexibility. We have many options that will allow us to strengthen our squad.

    $$$$$$$

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    “Now there is a team that’s on a roll :)

    :lol:

    May it last, even a little longer!

  98. Mell October 24th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “I just think all of the coaches except Long are going to be evaluated on whether they should return and I think Eiland is at the top of the list”

    In what way was Long’s season any better than Eiland’s?

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “As for parallels, how about both cleanup hitters taking called strike 3 to end it?”

    mick, yeow! I find that really interesting. I mean, what are the chances. And it’s your cleanup hitter, the one you least expect to take strike 3 to end it.

  100. Robin October 24th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Player/Manager is hard. The manager is usually the first one to the stadium and the last one to leave. It’s hard enough to play a three and half hour game 15 days in a row in blistering summer heat, without adding all the other responsibilities.

    Alex would be a good manager, but does he really want to stay at the stadium all day? I still remember how alex left the All-Star game in the 3rd inning to go party in the city in 2008. He wouldn’t stay a second longer than he had to. And I mean, it’s not like that was the only opportunity he’s ever had to party in mid-town, but the all-star game only comes once a year.

  101. Fran the original October 24th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    I think Alex would be a good manager. He pays a lot of attention to detail and is really a student of the game.

    Derek has said on more than one occasion that he does not want to manage, but he would like to own a team some day.

  102. Mell October 24th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    “Alex would be a good manager, but does he really want to stay at the stadium all day?”

    After making something on the order of a half billion between baseball and off the field stuff, I’m guessing the answer is NO.

  103. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    You are probably right, but there is something about Girardi, and I can’t pinpoint it, that drives me nuts. It may be that he had a different, not necessarily effective lineup every day. I also think he is too hands on all the time. He doesn’t let the game happen if you know what I am saying.

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Okey dokey, here it is.

    Let the pile-on begin!!! (on the Rangers that is. :) )

    http://members.cox.net/lsdorgan/WS2010.pdf

  105. JEKIKASO October 24th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    *************************************************

    Hi Trisha,

    POOL PREDICTION:

    GIANTS 5 GAMES.

    RANGERS CAN’T KEEP PLAYING ATY THIS LEVEL,IMO. Ihope :-)

  106. Robin October 24th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I wonder what Jeter is gonna do when he retires.

    I guess he’ll go to school and pick up his degree, and then there’s always golf. He could always settle down and have kids. But what if marriage just isn’t in his DNA and he finds golf boring. I mean after spending 20 years on the cutting edge of competition, 36 holes of golf sounds painfully boring.

  107. Eric UWS October 24th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I’m still thankful that Marte OWNED Utley and Howard last year.

    That cut-fastball that Wilson threw to Howard may have been one of the best pitches in a huge spot I’ve ever seen. I literally jumped out of my seat at a bar when I saw it. Wow.

  108. Eric UWS October 24th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I’m still thankful that Marte OWNED Utley and Howard last year.

    That cut-fastball that Wilson threw to Howard may have been one of the best pitches in a huge spot I’ve ever seen. I literally jumped out of my seat at a bar when I saw it. Wow.

  109. 108 stitches October 24th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Dave Eiland will be back.
    He helped C.C. with a grip change. He’s worked with Phil Hughes since their AAA days together.
    He worked with Mariano for 2 days in Toronto after spotting a slight flaw. He got Kerry Wood to stand more upright on the mound which showed results. David Robertson has progressed under Eiland. Even Swisher went to Eiland for a change of grip on his outfield throws which were close to Damon-like throws before.
    If Burnett and Chamberlain don’t care to listen, it’s not Eiland’s fault.

  110. Ruby Tuesday October 24th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Trisha, new song ?

  111. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    I like Eiland a lot, but him working with Phil is not a reason to keep him on. The other reasons stand up, though.

  112. JEKIKASO October 24th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    The coaching staff is fine, and should remain intact,imo. unless some gat picked for jobs in other organizations, anyway. Yanks knew about A.J. and his wild side before they signed him. if they are gonna keep him thet need to get hin w/ eiland over the winter, and not wait til spring training,IMO. a sports shrink should not be out of the question, either

  113. CompassRosy October 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    ECS ~

    In an earlier post, asked about Gary (aka Rogerclemens on NYT)
    just wondering if you ever hear from him anymore? He must be over the moon re: his guys in the WS

    As for fantasy football …
    quick – pick up Marshawn Lynch!
    I’m off to Qwest Field soon to see him in his first home game with the Hawks :-)

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    JEKIKASO – got it. :)

    I will continue to look for predictions and add them to the chart. I will also post it from time to time. Feel free to check my numbers! (just ask SAS)

    Later y’all.

  115. Crawdaddy October 24th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Burnett has never been this bad and Eiland failed to fix him.

    http://www.baseball-reference......itch.shtml

  116. pat October 24th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Derek and Alex still make all the plays they get to but both have had their games where they look range impaired.

    How much of that is age and how much is being healthy for 162 games? The Yankees would know that better than Francesa.

    The Alex to DH suggestion sounds likely Francesa looking for a position for Jeter in the future more than anything because Derek doesn’t profile as a DH and Alex does. That’s the bigger problem with a new Jeter contract to me- where he would play 1-2 years from now and not the money.

    Even with Francesa’s suggestion, no guarantees though that a 36/37 year old lifetime SS makes a smooth transition to third base because of the reaction time.

    Derek and Alex have both said they would like to own teams.

    I could also see Alex getting involved in a front ofice player development or the analysis end of the business after retirement more than managing. The bank account is way to big to volunteer for the level of travelling managing entails.

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    WCS – will definitely check him out (if he’s even available in my league)! Have a blast!!!

    :)

  118. Betsy October 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    No one can fix AJ – that’s on AJ. At what point do the players take responsibility? AJ can’t repeat his mechanics – he’s been like that since he started pitching. Why should Eiland be faulted for that? AJ has no command – that’s on him.

  119. pat October 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    ?As for parallels, how about both cleanup hitters taking called strike 3 to end it??

    One needed a base hit to tie the game and the other needed a 5 run HR so the approaches were likely very unparallel.

  120. tyanksfan36 October 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Trisha

    Im going to say Giants in 6. I really have no clue what to guess. The Rangers are hitting machines but I think the Giants pitching could hold them off. I think it could go either way.

  121. Ruby Tuesday October 24th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Giants in 7.

  122. NYYROC October 24th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Replacing Eiland has been brought up and I don’t think it is unreasonable to look into it. Ultimately the players have to swing the bats and make pitches but while there has been progress among NYY hitters I don’t see as much with the pitchers. The team was bad hitting with RISP but you can see over the last 2 season Kevin Long has helped Gardner, Swisher, Cano and Granderson improve.
    Eilland has helped to some degree, he has helped tweek some things. But Andy and Mo are veteran enough and have been around long enough to pretty much be there own coaches. Look at CC. He was more dominant when he pitched for Cleveland and Milw. AJ had the worst year ever for a NYY SP. Hughes continues to struggle for consistency with his offspeed stuff. Joba went from being an incredible talent to a middle relief pitcher to a guy who is probably out the door. The best relief pitcher, outside of Mo, is a guy they got from Cleveland in a trade. The pitchers aren’t improving. They are stagnant or regressing. Sometimes a change is necessary because the coach’s message isn’t getting through anymore. Maybe a new voice, point of view or method would get through to the players. This is especially important with the “Killer B’s” and others on the verge of getting to the Bigs. Drafting talent is one thing, devloping it is another. Not knocking Dave. I wouldn’t have a problem if he came back, but I think it is worth Cashman and Joe discussing it.

  123. NYYROC October 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    FWIW, I heard on Francessa’s show last week,per Mike, Greinke said he doesn’t want to pitch in NY, Boston or Phil. His preference is Minnesota.

  124. Frozen Rope October 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    News flash nobody is reading these novel length comments of yours. Learn how to make your points more concisely.

  125. Frozen Rope October 24th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Good luck to marte. He will always be remembered for his world series performance against ryan howard and was probably missed this year against hamilton.

  126. RSM October 24th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Alex and Derek have made a ton of money.
    Don’t see either one taking on the year round rigors of managing for what would amount to pocket change for these guys.

  127. BIG AL October 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    I for one do not understand how anyone would want to give up the young talent it would take to get Greinke.

    He had 1 outstanding year in his career, and even if he wanted to come to NY, and had no mental or physical problems, I’d pass on obtaining him, too costly.

    If you take out his 2009 season, he’s a below average pitcher.

    Zake Greinke lifetime numbers;

    W-L 60-67, ERA 3.82, IP 1108, Hits 1121, WHIP 1.264, H/9 9.1

    Given these numbers, why would you want to give up your top prospects + for this pitcher?

    There are better options available, at a lower cost.

    Priority One: Cliff Lee

  128. Cashman needs to go October 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Not counting Javy Vazquez and DL Nick Johnson whom I assume won’t be resigned (if either is cashman should be shot on sight) these are the list of other players i wouldn’t mind see going (and reasons why) this offseason:

    Boone Logan (sell while his value is at an alltime high – couldn’t get ANY lefthanders out in the PS – and thats the sole reason he is on the team – he sucked his whole career for a reason…because he sucks)

    Joba Chamberlain (yes he only makes 500K but in a few years he’ll be the $8 million a year guy who has meltdowns and is inconsistent more times than you care)

    Cervelli (he’s exactly like posada except he can’t hit like him and is worse defensively) – there has to be some team that you can sell his 2010 slash line to and make it look like he’s actually good

    Marcus Thames (will probably look to make more $ for what he did this year – and you can’t pay more than 1 million for a RH pinch hitter…. which is all he should be)

    Phil Hughes (young or not i think i’ve seen enough of him meltdown when you need him most – like the last 2 years of playoffs – minus one game against an overrated twins team ) – disclaimer…i would only trade him (and 2 of the better minor league pitchers/players) if i can get a josh johnson, zack greinke or justin verlander (or one of the A’s stud pitchers) back

    brett gardner (sucked after the ASG – disappears when the playoffs start – LOVES to strikeout looking, can’t bunt, dumb baserunner, injury prone) yeah he’s a bargain now – but not so much in a few years – and at that point you’ll have coco crisp on your hands (limited skills…makes too much money) actually if crawford is too expensive coco crisp i believe is a much better player

    kevin long – i know why pick on the coaches…..we’ll thats 2 years in a row his team fell flat on their faces offensively in the PS….and that includes granderson against the rangers (minus one game) – if he gets all the credit for turning granderson around then he should get all the blame for what this pathetic team did in the PS – against bad pitchers like colby bleeping lewis and fat toad hunter…and NONE of his players can hit a f’ing breaking pitch..

    mark teixeira – i actually like him but for 20 million dollars a year he’ll need to show up more than 2 months in the summer and then disappear from april to june and then again in the playoffs…i also know he has a NT clause but if he can go you can sign carlos pena who will give you the same gold glove – and offense very close to what tex gives you……….for 12 million dollars less (and you can bat him 6 or 7th without hurting his feelings)..

    chad gaudin and sergio mitre – enough with the charity – let them go and pitch for pittsburgh or kansas city..

    austin kearns and berkman – they are free agents so just let them go back to the NL where they belong

    kerry wood – if you have to pay 11 million dollars for an EIG with a chance to close out some games then pay rafael soriano that money – he’s younger, better and not injury prone – soriano will then be the closer in 2012…(his agent is scott boras so its all about the money for him right now)

  129. NYYROC October 24th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I am very optimistic regarding Phil Hughes in 2011 and beyond. From watching him pitch and in his post games he seems mature, hard working and motivated. In one of his post games later in the year after a bad game vs Toronto, he acknowledged he had become a one speed, too predictable pitcher. He knew he had to mix in offspeed stuff and said he would try to the rest of the year and especailly in 2011. He knew he had to in order to become better.
    IMO that is what he needs to correct, he needs to become unpredictable. He can do this by refining his offspeed stuff and throwing it when he is behind in the count. Doing this will cut down on foulballs, 2 strike hits, make him more economical and allow him to go deeper into games. Using offspeed stuff more will get hitters off his FB. Fouls will become swings and misses. Offspeed stuff are feel pitches. You have to throw them to be sharp with them. At times he has a great curve and a pretty good change up. He has the stuff, he just needs to throw it. I enjoyed watching Phil pitch and I’m looking forward to 2011.

  130. G. Love October 24th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    We definitely could have used Marte this year in the post season. I wonder if he just gets released to free up the 40 man spot since it appears his chances of pitching here next season are slim.

    I guess you can stash him on the 60 day DL though and play like that.

    If there was ever a chance the Yankees could pair Dave Duncan with Girardi they should open the checkbooks and give Duncan a long term deal.

    No offense to Eiland, but Duncan takes mediocre pitchers and turns them into something better. His track record is tough to argue with.

    The only thing I recall about Duncan is I think he has bad feelings about the Yankees stashing Shelley Duncan in the minors for so long. Apparently, he felt the Yankees should not have been shuttling him back and forth to AAA and thought they should let him go to another team that would play him. I don’t agree with that assessment.

    And I really wish Yankee fans would stop with the Greinke nonsense. The guy does not want to be a Yankee or play in NY. You’re wasting your breath and fingers every time you demand the Yankees trade for him. It’s not happening.

  131. Unnamedsource October 24th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Chad or Sam or anyone who knows:

    Is the Commissioner imposing an embargo this year on major team news on transactions or signings during the World Series? I know that some years they have tried that. In other words, hypothetically, if the Yankees wanted to announce a new contract for Girardi, or Jeter, or Rivera on, say, Thursday of this week, could they do it or would release of the news have to wait until the World Series is over? If there is an embargo that starts on Wednesday, do you think the Yankees are going to be in a position to announce anything by Tuesday? Of course, I realize that A-Rod demonstrated several years ago that the Commissioner has little power to silence players with opt-out news during the World Series.

  132. Frozen Rope October 24th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    This site cries for a bulletin board just so thread comments will actually be relevant to the original post instead of a bunch of retards going off on tangents playing armchair gm. Getting reid of tex for pena who didn’t even hit 200 REALLY?

  133. BIG AL October 24th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Phil Hughes will be fine. Right now he’s still learning to be a pitcher, rather than just a thrower.

    Too many folks on this blog tend to be impatient with Phil, and other young pitchers. It takes time for pitchers to learn their craft. Some learn to be pitchers, after an injury forces them to throw more breaking balls, due to a loss in velocity, and some learn through years of experience. A FB pitcher tends to take the longest to come around to using breaking balls as an out pitch, because they have so much pride in their FB getting guys out.

    Even Sandy Koufax was not a good pitcher early in his career, but, later became a dominant pitcher, because he developed an outstanding breaking ball to go with his FB.

    Koufax, in his 6th season, at age 24, was 8-13, and from that point on was outstanding. At age 24 Koufax was 36-40 for his career.

    Phil Hughes at 24 was 18-8, and in 4 seasons is 31-18.

    Those that lack any baseball knowledge, and rely on sports shows to get their baseball talking points, IMO, are the ones down on Phil Hughes.

  134. SAS October 24th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    :arrow: Boone Logan: “I was hope I would have a career year”……….If anyone if interested.

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