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Eiland not being brought back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 25, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman just announced that the team is not bringing Dave Eiland back next season.

“It has nothing to do with what took place in the playoffs,” Cashman said.

Cashman said the decision is not based on performance. He labeled the reason as “private.”

“It was my decision,” Cashman said.

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291 Responses to “Eiland not being brought back”

  1. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    WOW!!!!

  2. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Wow. That’s a shocker.

  3. ac1 October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    i told you he would be out.

  4. Jerkface October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    That leave of absence probably figured into it. Now I really wanna know what went down.

  5. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    HELLO, MR. DAVE DUNCAN!

  6. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Good news.

  7. ac1 October 25th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    now instead of promoting someone, perhaps go find a proven pitching coach.

  8. Crawdaddy October 25th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    I told you guys, but people kept saying I was wrong in thinking that way.

  9. have a cigar October 25th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Maybe he can take his star pupil A.J. Burnett with him?

  10. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Cashmoney –

    I would love them to grab Dave Duncan, but I can’t see him leaving LaRussa.

  11. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    JackCurryYES I doubt that Eiland was surprised by this news. Unhappy, yes. Surprised, no. Cashman told reporters his reasoning for decision were private.

    BloggingBombers Cashman spoke with Hal Steinbrenner today about Girardi. Cashman will meet with Girardi’s agent on Tuesday.

  12. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    David Cone please.

  13. Rich in NJ October 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    TYM

  14. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Joba, Javy, Burnett all suffered huge regression this year.

    CC and Andy are who they are.

    Hughes pitched well…

  15. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Well, there’s you news. Wow.

  16. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Cashmoney –

    I would love them to grab Dave Duncan, but I can’t see him leaving LaRussa.
    —————–
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  17. CountryClub October 25th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    For you guys/girls saying “I told you so”, it sounds like it has nothing to do with performance.

    Either way, this is shocking news.

  18. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    The July absense probably had lots to do with it.

  19. upstate kate October 25th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    bring back Guidry!!! just kidding…well sorta

  20. Phil in Columbus October 25th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Rags returns to the Bronx?

  21. Rich in NJ October 25th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    “$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$”

    They print this stuff.

  22. Crawdaddy October 25th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    We will never know if performance has anything to do with it, but he’s gone which is what I thought might happen.

  23. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Chad-

    Can you please ask Cashman his thoughts on the possible A-Rod & Cameron Diaz break up???

    Cameron was spotted out with Glee’s Matthew Morrison over the weekend triggering all kinds of rumors. Not exactly “standing by her man” in his time of need

  24. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    This is certainly a no so subtle way to start the simple process of merely tweaking this team.

  25. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    I have to say – surprised, but not shocked. Erica – I agree with you.

  26. Kitt6Katt October 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Fran,

    Please let Trisha know we are all thinking of her and her family.

  27. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    I would assume that if NYYs can’t bring Gil Patterson back, Scott Aldred will get the job.

  28. Jerkface October 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Heard that Eiland cheated on his wife with someone in the organization, and that was a big reason for his absence in July.

  29. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    JackCurryYES Cashman didn’t get into specifics on Eiland’s dismissal, but Burnett’s plummet had to have a lot to do with the decision.

  30. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Leo Mazzone is currently unemployed…he bombed in Baltimore, but given what he was working with there I can’t fault him totally.

    Don Cooper of the White Sox should also be available.

    Again, I would love for the Yankees to get Dave Duncan…I’ve been saying for years they should move on him…I just don’t see him leaving LaRussa.

    The Yankees though have a habit of bringing in guys connected with the team – does anyone know the status of Dave Raghetti’s contract with San Francisco (not that he would want to leave them)

    The other question is what they do if Tony Pena gets tapped for either the Pirate or Marlin job?

    I would really like for them to have another catcher in the dugout to serve as a tutor for Montero.

  31. CountryClub October 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    Joba, Javy, Burnett all suffered huge regression this year.

    CC and Andy are who they are.

    Hughes pitched well…

    ———————–

    CC credits Eiland with changing his FB grip last yr and Wood has said his resurgence this yr after he was traded was all about the changes/corrections that Eiland made.

  32. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Erica and Jerkface,

    The issues surrounding the leave of absence is the primary reason for his dismissal.

    My top 2 choices to replace him:

    1. Scott Aldred.
    2. Curt Young.

  33. Crawdaddy October 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    GB7,

    That is who I was thinking of, Gil Patterson.

  34. pat October 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    “The July absense probably had lots to do with it.”

    That was my first thought.

  35. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    My top 2 choices to replace him:

    1. Scott Aldred.
    2. Curt Young.
    ————-
    SJ, what do those two bring to the table?

  36. Zach S October 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Didn’t think of David Cone before but I sorta like that idea.

  37. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Chip,

    I like Mazzone.

    Aside from Baltimore (where the pitching was just atrocious while he was there) he has a proven track record.

    He might drive Girardi nuts with his rocking back and forth habit though.

  38. Crawdaddy October 25th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Cone isn’t a possibility in my mind.

  39. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    GB7 –

    Patterson or Aldred make the most sense. But still, I would at least inquire on Duncan before going that route.

  40. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Cashman here describing being BABIP’d by Rangers.

  41. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    BloggingBombers I wouldn’t have predicted “Eiland” to be a trending topic today. Yet it is.

    LOL

  42. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    We wuz out-babipped!!!

    :lol:

    Where are you guys hearing this?

  43. Fran the original October 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    I am a little surprised about Eiland, but not totally shocked. When Eiland left in July, AJ started his plummet.

  44. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    David Cone wants to be a broadcaster. He has no desire to coach.

    Most guys with over 50 million in the bank don’t have a desire to make 200K coaching.

    Its a tough life and once you have tasted a “normal” existence, its not something guys like Coney envision themselves doing.

  45. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    “Didn?t think of David Cone before but I sorta like that idea.”

    Great players don’t always make the best coaches.

  46. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    SI_JonHeyman #yankees hope/expect montero to play big role in 2011. scouts see him as 30-40 hr hitter but still wonder about his catching

  47. Phil in Columbus October 25th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Not sure if he would be intrested or needs the work, but Greg Maddux would make a great pitching coach. He would work wonders with the young guys teaching them to pitch to the corners and throw strikes. Someone needs to rework AJ starting now. I think Maddux could do it. Just a thought.

  48. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    David Cone said one day he would want to be a pitching coach.

    Who knows though, I was just throwing his name out there.

  49. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    The only thing that Mazzone could coach was 3 HOF pitchers. What prolonged success did he ever have with any other pitchers?

  50. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    “Didn?t think of David Cone before but I sorta like that idea.”

    Great players don’t always make the best coaches.

    *****************

    Exactly.

    See Rickey Henderson

  51. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    I think the problem with Mazzone is that his method is in direct contrast to that of Cashman.

    Mazzone comes from the Nolan Ryan school of working pitchers (it’s more likely to rust than fall off was one of his cliches) which goes totally against the inning limits and pitch counts that Cashman wants his pitchers to adhere to.

    I like Brian but in my estimation he’s become a little too Billy Beane-ish since he got more control over the organization. It seems like he wants to have more and more say in how the manager uses the players and doesn’t necessarily want a manager who is a free thinker as much as one who will toe the line.

  52. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    benshpigel Cash: “is montero ready for the big leagues? I have people who believe that. But he’s going to have to prove that”

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    “I’ve worked here a long time and there are no secrets with the Yankees”.

  54. Bring in the Goose October 25th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Gil Patterson – is he with the Oakland organization now?

  55. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    David Cone wants to be a broadcaster. He has no desire to coach.

    Most guys with over 50 million in the bank don’t have a desire to make 200K coaching.

    Its a tough life and once you have tasted a “normal” existence, its not something guys like Coney envision themselves doing.
    ———————–

    Besides, if Cone was going to be a coach it would be in the Bullpen – we all know he enjoyed himself out there the most.

  56. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    wallacematthews Cash on Mo and Jeter: these aren’t regular negotiations. These are legacy players

  57. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Dave Duncan has a longer contract with the Cardinals than LaRussa does.

    He also isn’t a fan of how the organization treated Shelley.

    Cashmoney,

    Both guys are good teachers with a way to adapt their philsophies to each pitchers strengthhs.

    Too many pitching coaches today want to make each pitcher the same kind of guy. You can’t do that, IMO.

    Both guys also do a good job of blending old school and new school philosophies into their work. That’s important if you are going to work for the Yankees.

    Scott Aldred is one of the rising young coaching stars in the game. To me, he’s a natural choice (and would do a good job) if they stay inside the organization.

    If they went outside the organization, Young would be a solid hire.

    If I was making the call, I’d hire Aldred. He’s ready for the jump, IMO.

  58. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Sounds like Eiland dipped his pen in the company ink.

  59. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    Sounds like Eiland dipped his pen in the company ink.

    ********************************

    :lol:

  60. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    BloggingBombers Cashman: “Derek has been – and will be – an important part of this organization.”

  61. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Cash on WFAN at 3:45, Girardi at 3:00

    not that either of them are going to say anything spectacular.

  62. Crawdaddy October 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    SJ44,

    Why not Gil Patterson?

  63. Robin October 25th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

  64. Bring in the Goose October 25th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    BloggingBombers Cashman: ?Derek has been ? and will be ? an important part of this organization.?
    ————————————————————————————————————–

    “Derek has been – and will be – grounding out to short on the first pitch for years to come…”

  65. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Thanks for the info SJ.

  66. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    If I was making the call, I’d hire Aldred. He’s ready for the jump, IMO.
    ————————

    Also don’t discount the fact that there’s another crop of minor league pitchers on their way up.

    It made sense to promote Eiland when Hughes, Joba and Kennedy were up because he worked with all of them in the minors and he knew how to work with them – same could be said for Aldred over this next crop.

  67. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Robin October 25th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

    **********

    A CR9 expression presented in CR9 syntax.

    Just sayin’

  68. Robin October 25th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    perhaps this is related to his leave of absence — you known, what ever caused to leave in June, is causing him to leave now.

  69. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    BloggingBombers Cashman: “We didn’t look old against Minnesota, and that was a week before. Texas made us look old.”

  70. NYYROC October 25th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Repost:
    NYYROC October 24th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Replacing Eiland has been brought up and I don?t think it is unreasonable to look into it. Ultimately the players have to swing the bats and make pitches but while there has been progress among NYY hitters I don?t see as much with the pitchers. The team was bad hitting with RISP but you can see over the last 2 season Kevin Long has helped Gardner, Swisher, Cano and Granderson improve.
    Eilland has helped to some degree, he has helped tweek some things. But Andy and Mo are veteran enough and have been around long enough to pretty much be there own coaches. Look at CC. He was more dominant when he pitched for Cleveland and Milw. AJ had the worst year ever for a NYY SP. Hughes continues to struggle for consistency with his offspeed stuff. Joba went from being an incredible talent to a middle relief pitcher to a guy who is probably out the door. The best relief pitcher, outside of Mo, is a guy they got from Cleveland in a trade. The pitchers aren?t improving. They are stagnant or regressing. Sometimes a change is necessary because the coach?s message isn?t getting through anymore. Maybe a new voice, point of view or method would get through to the players. This is especially important with the ?Killer B?s? and others on the verge of getting to the Bigs. Drafting talent is one thing, devloping it is another. Not knocking Dave. I wouldn?t have a problem if he came back, but I think it is worth Cashman and Joe discussing it.

    Good Luck to Eiland. He did all he could do.

  71. Robin October 25th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    nah, it was a Nike commercial expression.

  72. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    SJ, have you heard anything from your perch about whether Thomson is staying or leaving?

  73. ac1 October 25th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    David Cone said one day he would want to be a pitching coach.

    __

    could be interesting.

  74. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    BloggingBombers Cashman on Jeter: “There’s still game left in that guy. He’s going to be a part of this franchise. We’ll work something out.”

  75. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Fair enough Robin.

    I might be suffering from a case of post traumatic CR9 syndrome.

  76. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    BloggingBombers What we’ve learned today so far: Girardi and Jeter will be back, Eiland won’t be.

    BloggingBombers Cashman on Jeter: “There’s still game left in that guy. He’s going to be a part of this franchise. We’ll work something out.”

  77. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    wallacematthews Cash: i didn’t have a great winter last year. A lot of the things I did didn’t benefit us

  78. blake October 25th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Shameful the way so many Yanked fans have turned on Jeter this season and Im not talking about the contract….im talking about all the snide “capaltain DP” and nickname garbage that is posted on here every day.

    Not a real shocker regarding eiland….will be interesting to see who they choose as a replacement.

  79. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    I told you guys-

    They made a 2011 Derek Jeter calendar

    Therefore, he must be back

  80. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Has anyone asked about Mo yet?

  81. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    “They made a 2011 Derek Jeter calendar”

    While I’m pretty positive Jetes will be back, Damon and Matsui were on the Yankee 2010 calendar…

  82. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Anyone Know Dave Righetti’s contract status?

    I know Mike Maddux has one year left.

  83. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Cashman: “I didn’t have a great winter last season.”

  84. Rich in NJ October 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    “wallacematthews Cash: i didn’t have a great winter last year. A lot of the things I did didn’t benefit us”

    True dat, but Damon and Matsui weren’t the problem, despite what many think.

    Again, give more opportunities to young players and rely less on trading for marginal veterans.

  85. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    # ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Has anyone asked about Mo yet?

    Said Him, and Jete are legendary players.

  86. BEEarl October 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Curt Young would make a lot of sense, seeing as he won’t be back with Oakland and with his success out there.

    But he is looking for a multi-year deal (that’s reportedly the reason he isn’t staying with Oakland), so it is going to depend on Girardi’s new contract. And he will probably wind up in Arizona anyway. He’s got a home in Scottsdale.

  87. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    “They made a 2011 Derek Jeter calendar”

    While I’m pretty positive Jetes will be back, Damon and Matsui were on the Yankee 2010 calendar…

    ***************

    Incorrect. Matsui was on the 2010 Yankee calendar, but Damon was not. Trust me. I know these things

    However, I am not referring to the 2011 New York Yankee team calendar. I am speaking of the Derek Jeter only calendar featuring 12 months of Derek Jeter (in Yankee uniform) doing things like hitting, running, and throwing.

  88. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    “wallacematthews Cash: i didn’t have a great winter last year. A lot of the things I did didn’t benefit us”
    ———————-
    He had a poor winter in retrospect.

  89. Bring in the Goose October 25th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Blake –

    Many of us are not “turning on Jeter” with our posts.

    We appreciate what he’s done, and has continued to do.

    But you cannot deny that his performance this year was disappointing.

  90. UnKnown October 25th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Fran my pick is Rangers in 5. Thanks.

  91. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Yanks and Sox both in search of new pitching coach this off season

  92. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    BloggingBombers Cashman said he informed Girardi that he wouldn’t bring Eiland back. Asked if Girardi could have changed his mind, Cashman said, “No.”

  93. BIG AL October 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    I would assume that if NYYs can’t bring Gil Patterson back, Scott Aldred will get the job.

    **************************************

    Great idea, I think Patterson would be the most effective.

  94. Fran the original October 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Unknown,
    Got it.

    I am leaving to do some errands. If anyone else has any WS picks post them and I will pick them up later.

  95. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Incorrect. Matsui was on the 2010 Yankee calendar

    ***********************
    Erica-actually Godzilla was not on this year’s calendar.

  96. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=15407782

    BTW you can watch Cashman here

  97. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Everybody thinks this off-season is about Cliff Lee.

    I don’t. I think they are going to sign him and whatever the final number is, it is.

    I think the Yankee off-season is about one player………Derek Sanderson Jeter.

    I think his contract negotiation is going to have a major impact on his legacy………and the team.

    He can either “Cal Ripken” the organization or show he is the ultimate team guy and prove its all about winning.

    If Derek availed himself on the open market, he would have to fight to get 10 million a year.

    Its one thing to have an off year. That happens to EVERYBODY.

    Its another thing to show the kind of decline that makes one wary of the long term future. Like it or not, that’s where Derek is right now.

    Ripken played his “legend” card to the end in Baltimore. It certainly didn’t hurt his rep in Baltimore.

    However, it did cripple the franchise in ways its still trying to dig out of after all these years.

    Whether folks want to believe it or not, the Yankees do have a budget.

    They aren’t going to have a 250 million dollar payroll in 2011.

    If Derek signed a 3 year, 45 million dollar deal, with opt outs for performance achievements, he helps himself AND the Yankees.

    He’s given 15+ million dollars for “icon status” over the life of the deal. More if he hits on enough perfomance clauses to re-open the agreement.

    It helps the Yankees free up more capital to sign players to improve the team. It also gives Derek an out if his game returns to MVP-like status.

    He still makes more than he would anywhere else.

    Its a win-win for everybody.

    Michael Jordan did it for years with the Bulls.

    Folks nationally criticize Dwayne Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh.

    Each one of those guys took less money, MUCH less in the case of Wade and LBJ, to come to Miami.

    This enabled Pat Riley to provide those guys with more talent around them than he could have had they all signed max deals.

    Those guys also came off much better seasons than Derek had and showed it was all about winning.

    To me, Derek could really help himself, and the team, by taking this route.

    If he decides to go the “Ripken Way”, I think he will do a lot of damage to his rep in the long term.

    NY isn’t Baltimore. The fans and media are much more in tune with the situation.

    Will be interesting to see which road Derek chooses to take.

  98. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    # Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Incorrect. Matsui was on the 2010 Yankee calendar

    ***********************
    Erica-actually Godzilla was not on this year’s calendar.

    Cash just said he would have went to Godzilla but he left.

  99. upstate kate October 25th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    hindsight is 20/20
    who would have guessed Damon would go somewhere else for less
    who would have guessed that Matsui would sign so quickly somewhere else
    who would have guessed that NJ would spend most of the year on the DL…ok, probably quite a few people on that one
    who would have guessed that Javy would have had such a poor season, after doing so well last year?

  100. Crawdaddy October 25th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    “BloggingBombers Cashman said he informed Girardi that he wouldn’t bring Eiland back. Asked if Girardi could have changed his mind, Cashman said, “No.”

    That’s telling a lot without meaning to.

  101. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Erin & Carl-

    You are right. I just went and checked and no Matsui. Oops.

  102. kd October 25th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    were the details of his leave of absence ever made public?

  103. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Cashman: Says N Johnson was plan c. Damon was the first cboice, had Matsui remained on the board, he was No. 2.

  104. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    upstate kate October 25th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    hindsight is 20/20
    who would have guessed Damon would go somewhere else for less
    who would have guessed that Matsui would sign so quickly somewhere else
    who would have guessed that NJ would spend most of the year on the DL…ok, probably quite a few people on that one
    who would have guessed that Javy would have had such a poor season, after doing so well last year?

    ******************
    1) Not me :cry:
    2) Me
    3) Me
    4) Me

  105. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Since Cashman loves Johnny Damon, maybe they can re-sign him NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  106. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Cashman for Halloween: Nacho Libre. chew on that.

    :lol:

  107. The Other Phil October 25th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    SJ: Very nice post. I would like to think that Jeter will do what is best for the organization and that he and Cashman will have something worked out so Jeter can save face and take a ‘worthy’ contract while helping the team make the upgrades necessary.

  108. The Genius Maker October 25th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    *If Posada DHd all the time he wouldn?t hit worse than when he was catching?he will get used to it. he should still give you an .800+ OPS.

    *Swisher hit well against Minnesota and then struggled against Texas. Outside of Lee, he didn?t struggle against good pitching, he just struggled. Anyone watching the game saw Colby Lewis groove mediocre fastball after mediocre fastball and Swish and others just missed them?it was a simple case of bad hitting.

    *Texas swung the bats great all series and they did it throughout their lienup. Their number 9 hitter Moreland had great AB?s.

    *I don?t see any reason for the Yankees to sign another catcher and unless Montero or Romine are traded I do not expect them to get one.

    *Cervelli hit well against lefties, but is simply awful against righties. If he stays with the team (I would package him), he should only play against lefties.

    *Gardner is a much better players than people understand. His defense is worth a lot as he saves at least 5 hits a month over the average guy and some of those are doubles. If you take his SB?s, he added 29 extra bases (subtract 2 for every CS) and then add about 30 bases for his defense over an average guy you could add enough to put his OPS at about.900 if he is an average OF?r. So if he were Swisher in the OF with a .900 OPS that is what you are getting. he is also very cheap which allows money to be elsewhere. I am not sure what is contract is, but he is far more valuable than people understand?I also think that he is a better defensive CF?r than Granderson.

    As I said before with Jeter, give him a 50% premium on what he would fetch out in the market. That is more than fair. Many of you talked about 20 mil and more..no chance that happens…15 mil would be higher than I expect

    *I would go promote from within with Aldred as his rep with working with what the pitcher has is strong.

  109. Phil in Columbus October 25th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    SJ I agree with your post about Jeter. There is no need for the Yanks to pay him 20mil a year and I don’t think Derek expects it. The Yanks will be loyal to Derek and Derek will be loyal to the Yanks.

  110. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    upstate kate -

    I was kinda surprised Damon didn’t take the 2 years; I wasn’t surprised Matsui signed quickly – his agents were on top of the situation; I think a lot of people figured NJ would be on the DL, but I don’t think anyone figured it he would have only played a month; I was really disappointed in Javy Vazquez’ performance. :(

    SJ44 -

    Really, really interesting post.

  111. empirestateofmind25 October 25th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Hey does anyone know if Girardi or Cashman addressed the fact that we couldn’t throw baserunners out on steal attempts? I know that some of them were on the pitchers, but they have to admit that it might be time to get a good defensive catcher and consider posada as more of the DH.

  112. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    SJ -

    I disagree with you on the Jeter thing.

    Whatever money he signs for is immaterial. Whether it’s 15-20 mil a year for 4 or 5 years doesn’t matter. The contract will not financially hamstring the organization. They can backload the deal or defer money to make it more budget friendly for the organization in the short term. And I’m sure it will include some sort of lifetime employment clause (though I can’t see Jeter going in the booth or serving as a special advisor like Paulie or Tino)

    The question is whether Jeter will be agreeable to taking more games at DH than at SS going forward.

    Much like I see the Yankees phasing Jorge into their primary DH this year with Montero taking the lion’s share of the catching duties I see something similar happening after next year with Jeter.

    I think in 2012 and beyond you’ll see Jeter and Alex splitting the DH role more with Nunez playing a lot of SS and 3b depending on which one of them is the DH.

    The idea of Jeter moving to any position other than DH is, at this point, laughable. He’s not moving to 3b because there’s no place to put Alex. He’s not moving to the OF because there’s no reason to assume that at his age he could even play the OF. That leaves DH.

  113. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    SJ44-

    Excellent post Re: Jeter

    You should consider being his agent :-). I hear you’d earn a mere 10% though

  114. blake October 25th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    SJ, jeter is a smart guy. Im hoping both he and his advisors see what you are talking about and go that route as well. He stands to gain much more by taking a fair deal for the team than trying to.hold then up.and squeeze every last dollar. We shall see but im not expecting too much drama here….maybe that’s naive.

  115. ac1 October 25th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    if gardner has a chance to start in left next year over crawford, he better learn how to bunt, and recognize pitches better.

  116. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    empirestateofmind25 October 25th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    Hey does anyone know if Girardi or Cashman addressed the fact that we couldn’t throw baserunners out on steal attempts? I know that some of them were on the pitchers, but they have to admit that it might be time to get a good defensive catcher and consider posada as more of the DH.
    —————————–

    Only new catcher coming in is Jesus Montero who is not considered a good defensive catcher.

    The Yankees are one of the most loaded organizations when it comes to catching talent, they aren’t going to spend on bringing in someone from outside. And even if they wanted to, there’s no one who fits that mold available.

    Victor Martinez is the best hitting catcher but he’s as bad as Jorge behind the plate, Gerald Laird can shut down a running game but is a zero at the plate.

  117. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes October 25th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    SJ44,

    I agree RE: Jeter.

    It makes me think of a guy like Tim Duncan who has restructured his own contract and taken pay cuts in an effort to afford the Spurs the ability to bring in quality assets that will help the team win. I don’t like the Spurs but when I think about a guy who has just completed a $189 million, ten year contract, I’d at least LIKE to think that $$$ was relatively insignificant to a player of Jeter’s ilk.

    That said, they certainly can’t lowball him. I think 3 years and $45 million is more than fair.

    I think Jeter wants to win one or two more before he throws in the towel on his HOF career. He’s not playing anywhere other than NYY.

  118. pat October 25th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    SJ

    Derek also knows that any contract he signs with the Yankees is worth +$5Mper year in endorsements.

  119. JM October 25th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Been away from the blog for a couple of days and just read about Trisha’s brother.

    Fran,

    Please tell her I am thinking about her and she and her family are in my prayers.

  120. elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I know in the short term it would hurt to not get Lee, but is anyone else somewhat nervous about the type of contract he will get and his age.

    I am afraid that 5 yrs from now it will look really bad.

  121. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Erin-

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/en.....5832.story

  122. blake October 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    My thoughts and prayers are with you as well trisha.

  123. Drive 4-6 October 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    This offseason just isn’t about Jeter.

    The catching position very much needs to be addressed. Jorge is a well below average defender and Cervelli took a step back both offensively and defensively. Cashman needs to keep the DH spot open so that Posada and A Rod can use it for their days “off”. The sooner Posada transitions to DH the better. But that also precludes the Yanks from signing Damon or any other bat.

  124. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    If the pitchers refuse or can’t hold runners on base, no catcher is going to have a chance to throw out base runners, unless he has a high powered rifle with a scope and shoots the runner down between 1st and 2nd. Of course, they could always call for nothing but fastballs like Ivan Rodriguez to inflte their percentages.

  125. Niblick October 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Is Art Fowler available?

  126. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    ac1 October 25th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    if gardner has a chance to start in left next year over crawford, he better learn how to bunt, and recognize pitches better.
    —————————–

    Crawford is going to sign with the Angels

  127. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    ***inflate***

  128. Drive 4-6 October 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Trisha very sorry to hear of your loss!! My prayers are with you.

  129. The Other Phil October 25th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I know in the short term it would hurt to not get Lee, but is anyone else somewhat nervous about the type of contract he will get and his age.

    I am afraid that 5 yrs from now it will look really bad.
    =========

    There’s always concerns about a long term deal, but I am less concerned due to the type of pitcher he is. He’s not a fireballer (though he can hit mid 90s). He spots location incredibly well, so he shouldn’t decline as much in his later years. I see a Mussina-type career path.

  130. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Chip,

    The money matters and here’s why……

    The organization is sick of subsidizing other teams. They are sick of the Pirates, Marlins and Rays (the three biggest offenders), taking their share (a bulk of it coming from the Yankees) of the “help” money and putting it in their pockets.

    They are tired of funding the rest of MLB.

    Only way to solve that is to lessen the amount you pay MLB and put it back into your own team.

    To achieve that, some creativity is needed.

    Unfortunately for Derek, 2010 wasn’t as kind to him as 2009. That happens in these things.

    Just as Arod’s 252 million dollar deal helped Derek get 189 million, the opposite can also take place.

    If Derek does the right thing, I believe the Yankees will also do the right thing and the beat will go on unchanged.

    However, if Derek and Casey Close (his agent) believe “icon status starts at 20 million dollars per year, if I was Hal, I’d wish Derek luck as the starting SS for the Detroit Tigers in 2011 and move on.

  131. Drive 4-6 October 25th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    It’s not just his throwing. Jorge is also very poor at blocking pitches. Healthwise, he’d be better at DH after suffering at least 2 concussions now too.

  132. empirestateofmind25 October 25th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Chip, good points, that was basically what I was thinking as well. Gerald Laird was the only name to come to mind when looking for a good defensive catcher, and I doubt we would sign him. Montero is just offensively gifted, at least thats what the scouts keep saying. I feel that stopping the running game is very important, especially when playing teams like Tampa and Texas. You can’t just let a guy like Andrus get on base every damn time, and then let him pretty much walk around the bases. That’s what got me angry the most.

  133. randy l. October 25th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    “Scott Aldred is one of the rising young coaching stars in the game. To me, he’s a natural choice (and would do a good job) if they stay inside the organization.”

    sj44-

    i don’t know a single thing about aldred, but “rising young star” sounds good. the pitching coach position is a labor intensive coaching job. to do it right, the pitching coach has to be the first one out there and the last one in. if there’s a pitcher doing early am long toss or after a game throwing , he needs to be there. all the rehab guys need help, and there’s the games themselves.

    a pitching coach basically has no life except taking care of his pitchers. when a guy like rick petersen built his reputation he was obsessed with his job and he was that kind of young rising star.

    the yankees need someone who can put all their energy into the position. that’s either a young guy without a family or an old guy who doesn’t have family obligations that are going to distract him. guys stottlemyre are good because their kids are grown up.

    i wondered about eiland when the leave of absence took place. that isn’t what you want in a pitching coach. they have to be all in. they can’t be having personal issues that take away from the game. hopefully it’s not a health problem with him or his family.

    i didn’t love eiland as a pitching coach but he was a solid professional and put in a lot of years with the yankees. i’d say he did a decent job with the yankees.

  134. Eroc October 25th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Cliff notes from Heyman:

    Lee, 32, is so unhittable and so hot that competing executives are wondering whether the Yankees will stop at anything — or any number — before securing him. Word going around is that Lee will ask to duplicate the record $161 million, seven-year record deal of his good buddy CC Sabathia, the Yankees’ current ace. But while his age may limit the years to five or six, Lee’s pitching was so good, and the stars are so aligned, that there’s no reason for Lee to stop at $23 million per year. With the Yankees ready to excise disappointing Javier Vazquez, still uncertain about Pettitte (at least for the moment) and unsure what — if anything worthwhile — they’re going to get from mercurial A.J. Burnett, they will do everything within their means to sign Lee and bolster their starting rotation.

    In Lee’s bid for a long deal, agent Darek Braunecker is expected to argue that the left-hander is in terrific shape and not as reliant on a high-90s fastball as his buddy Sabathia.

    If Lee stays in Texas, and Greinke won’t come to New York, the Yankees will 1) Try hard to find a viable frontline starter elsewhere, and 2) Try to combat the talented Rangers with improved offense. That could mean a run at one of the top two offensive players. The Yankees are said to have interest in Carl Crawford, 29, but they’re telling folks that their expectations to beat the Angels and Red Sox for either star outfielder (Jayson Werth, 31, being the other) aren’t especially high. That could change, of course, if they don’t get Lee. Word is that the Yankees prefer Crawford to Werth. They love Crawford’s youth, competitiveness and speed, though the right-handed-hitting Werth would balance out their lefty-heavy lineup and has some Yankee connections(superscout and onetime New York first baseman Dennis Werth is Werth’s stepfather).

    There have been fleeting thoughts and visions about the damage that Adam Dunn could do as a DH playing home games in Yankee Stadium; but beyond that, Dunn has shown no interest in DHing (although it’s obviously his most natural position). It appears that the Yankees are starting to feel like they need to keep the DH spot open for a couple of their mid-30s players, including longtime catcher Jorge Posada, 39, who has another year to go on his contract, and possibly third baseman Alex Rodriguez, 35, who had hip surgery a year and a half ago and appeared a bit slower in the field this year.

    The current plan for Posada’s final year in pinstripes is to have him share time behind the plate with Francisco Cervelli and ballyhooed prospect Jesus Montero. Posada was the main catcher on four World Series winners, but is “shot” as a primary starter, one scout said, suggesting that Cervelli, who also slipped a bit defensively this year, and Montero, who is a big-time offensive force of the future but still learning the position, would account for the majority of games behind the plate.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z13OTZnU4G

  135. Niblick October 25th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    If Jeter wants to do the right thing for the Yanks, he’d sign a one year deal – the way Pettitte does, and the way the Yanks are trying to get Mo to do. If he stinks again next year, he can retire with his 3,000 hits; if he plays better next year, then he can get himself a raise for 2012.

  136. The Other Phil October 25th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    If the pitchers refuse or can’t hold runners on base, no catcher is going to have a chance to throw out base runners, unless he has a high powered rifle with a scope and shoots the runner down between 1st and 2nd. Of course, they could always call for nothing but fastballs like Ivan Rodriguez to inflte their percentages.
    =======

    If Andy doesn’t return, I’d like him to be hired as ‘pick off’ coach… :)

  137. MG October 25th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I just logged onto the blog and read about Trisha’s brother, what a shame.

    Along with everyone else I would like my best wishes sent to her.

    It certainly puts all the nonsense relating to the blog and the Yankees into the right perspective, nothing is more important than health.

  138. Brian October 25th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    SI_JonHeyman #yankees hope/expect montero to play big role in 2011. scouts see him as 30-40 hr hitter but still wonder about his catching

    ———————-

    Heck, in today’s game, if he can hit that many home runs, he can stand at the backstop, wait for the pitch to stop rolling, pick up the ball and throw it back to the pitcher and still be valuable to the team.

  139. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    SJ,

    You are certainly entitled to change your opinion, but it seems you have taken a complete 180 on this Jeter thing.

    So the question is then, did anything in particular happen to change your mind re the Jeter contract so dramatically?

  140. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Before I post my – where I think they’re going. I want to assure some of you that I will NOT be advocating for the Yankees to bring in the following players:
    Ryan Church
    David DeJesus
    Adam Dunn
    Manny Ramirez

    I WILL be advocating for:
    Scott Downs
    Cliff Lee
    Eric Hinske

    and now, with no more ado: WHERE I THINK THEY’RE GOING

    Lee – Yankees

    Crawford – Angels

    Werth – Seattle

    V-Mart – Detroit

    Konerko – Dodgers

    Dunn – Orioles

    Huff – Nationals

    Vazquez – Nationals

    Soriano – Angels

    Wood – St. Louis

    Adrian Beltre – St. Louis

    Johnny Damon – St. Louis

    Carlos Pena – Tampa

    Manny – Tampa

    D-Lee – Boston

    Matsui – White Sox

    Pavano – Twins

    Westbrook – NYM

    I think St. Louis goes all out this year to try and win it all before they face the very real possibility of life without Albert. In fact, it would not shock me if some rumors really get going about a package centered around Colby Rasmus (a player both Pujols and LaRussa can’t stand) going to the Royals for Grenkie.

  141. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Heyman has the Yankees carrying 3 catchers all season.

    Not so sure about that

  142. RadioKev October 25th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Perhaps it had something to do with Eiland’s personal leave during the season? Maybe it rubbed Cashman the wrong way?

  143. Bronx Jeers October 25th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    So the proverbial ax has fallen. Another victim in AJ’s march to Palookaville. :wink:

    I’ve had the “Mariano deal” for Jeter in the back of my head for a while now. And Mariano continued to remain the same lights-out closer for the life of the contract.. Jeter will not be “as good as ever” in 3 years.

    How about the Yanks just tell Jeter to call them when he has an offer. :lol:

  144. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Sounds like Montero is going to be on the team next year, no?

  145. Bring in the Goose October 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    I believe Patterson had quite an impact on young NYY pitchers like Joba, Coke, etc.

    He has an interesting background with this organization – himself once one of the most promising pitching prospects in the game.

    ‘”He’s one of the best pitching coaches anywhere, because he knows how hard pitching is, and he knows what a pitcher goes through to get to the big leagues.” – Al Leiter, speaking about Gil Patterson

  146. filthy slider October 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Cashman is the one that should be gone. Javy, Burnett, Joba, NICK JOHNSON , we could keep going but why bother. The Stein boys will not pull the trigger on that one.

  147. Bob October 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Didnt’ the red sux owners begin their offseason by buying a soccer team for $475million? What money is left? I thought we were the evil empire for signing baseball players to huge contracts ?

  148. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    “If Jeter wants to do the right thing for the Yanks, he’d sign a one year deal – the way Pettitte does”

    Andy thew kind of a diva fit about them before he started signing them, IIRC..

  149. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “The idea of Jeter moving to any position other than DH is, at this point, laughable. He’s not moving to 3b because there’s no place to put Alex. He’s not moving to the OF because there’s no reason to assume that at his age he could even play the OF. That leaves DH.”

    ————————————-

    Considering what Jeter provided offensively this year, unless he has a major bounceback, putting his bat at DH is just as laughable.

  150. 108 stitches October 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I often wondered about Eiland’s “leave of absence” but a change of pitching coaches in mid-season could have been disruptive.
    Scott Aldred would be a good choice and has familiarity with the organization. I would expect Gil Patterson to take Curt Young’s place with Oakland.
    Dave Righetti is just plain a west coast guy with no interest in leaving. Next to Dave Duncan, “Rags” probably has the most years with one team in terms of service.

  151. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I’m having a hard time with Jeter. i cannot image the Yankees w/o him.

    He’s literally been on the Yankees half of my life.

  152. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I haven’t changed my opinion on Jeter.

    I’d like him back and I believe he still has gas in his tank.

    However, unlike Cliff Lee, Derek’s play this season isn’t in “blank check” territory.

    I think he needs the Yankees more than the Yankees need him.

    It doesn’t mean the Yankees have to go all Boston Red Sox on him and treat him like dirt.

    It also doesn’t mean that Derek can leverage that love and respect for him and what he has done for the organization in order to get a contract his current play level doesn’t merit.

    You can’t ignore the on field decline.

    Its about finding a way to compromise so everyone can prosper.

  153. tampayank October 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “# Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Chad-

    Can you please ask Cashman his thoughts on the possible A-Rod & Cameron Diaz break up???

    Cameron was spotted out with Glee’s Matthew Morrison over the weekend triggering all kinds of rumors. Not exactly “standing by her man” in his time of need

    He’ll eventually end up crawling back to his ex wife

  154. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    Chip,

    The money matters and here’s why……

    The organization is sick of subsidizing other teams. They are sick of the Pirates, Marlins and Rays (the three biggest offenders), taking their share (a bulk of it coming from the Yankees) of the “help” money and putting it in their pockets.

    They are tired of funding the rest of MLB.

    Only way to solve that is to lessen the amount you pay MLB and put it back into your own team.

    To achieve that, some creativity is needed.

    Unfortunately for Derek, 2010 wasn’t as kind to him as 2009. That happens in these things.

    Just as Arod’s 252 million dollar deal helped Derek get 189 million, the opposite can also take place.

    If Derek does the right thing, I believe the Yankees will also do the right thing and the beat will go on unchanged.

    However, if Derek and Casey Close (his agent) believe “icon status starts at 20 million dollars per year, if I was Hal, I’d wish Derek luck as the starting SS for the Detroit Tigers in 2011 and move on.
    ——————————-

    I just can’t see it getting to that point.

    For the sake of Derek’s ego and reputation the reported AAV for the contract may be 20 mil, but in real terms after deferments and back loading it will probably be more like that 15 mil.

    If the Yankees give Jeter 4 years $80 mil (for the sake of round numbers) pay him $15 mil a year for those 4 years and then give him 5 mil per year for the next 4 years (with interest) then everyone wins.

  155. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Where does this idiotic idea that the Yankees are a left handed heavy hitting team come from? They have 3 right handed hitters, 3 switch hitters and 3 left handed hitters in the regular line-up and most of the kids in the minors are right handed.

  156. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I’m lobbying for Crawford + Greinke + Buck + Putz

    I’d of course accept Crawford + Lee if it comes to that and the Yankees are prepared to duplicate the CC-Tex-AJ spending splurge.

    I do NOT advocate zero upgrades to the offense so if you’re not pulling for Crawford, I’d like to hear your plan for upgrading the lineup.

  157. tampayank October 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Anything more than $10 mil a year for Jeter is a waste of money

  158. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    I think the Derek Jeter and Cliff Lee signings will be done within a couple weeks of the winter meetings. I just have a funny feeling none of this is going to drag on.

  159. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    SJ44-

    Didn’t think Yankees were very motivated to do incentive based contracts.

    Larry Bowa is available if Thompson leaves and Don Cooper, a NY native, might be available, if Ozzie is let go.

  160. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    SJ,

    All year you said the money does not matter with Jeter and now you are saying the money does matter.

    Personally, I don’t really care if you changed your mind, just curious if something is going on to go from saying the money is no concern to the money is a concern.

  161. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Wow, that’s disappointing. I liked the job Eiland did……although I wonder if Cash wasn’t thrilled at Phil’s performance and acted accordingly.

  162. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    There is no way Montero goes north with the team – if they bring him up in June he wouldn’t be eligible for salary arbitration until after the 2014 season.

  163. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Oh lord Francesa –

    “Yankees have to move Jeter to 3b and A-Rod to DH”

    Anyone who has watched Derek Jeter throw a baseball knows that his throwing motion is poorly suited for 3b.

    Also the biggest knock on Derek is his range to his left – so you’re not helping him by playing him at 3b.

    Again, you live with Derek and Alex on the right side of the infield this year and Posada is your primary DH. When Posada leaves after next season you phase Jeter and Alex in at DH and let Nunez get a lot of time in the field.

  164. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I have a few predictions for this offseason…

    I have a feeling that Jeter will go the Posada and A-rod route and get every last cent out of the Yankees. Why shouldn’t he?

    There is zero doubt in my mind that Lee will sign with the Yankees. There are just too many signs pointing to that happening.

    The Yankees will not sign Werth or Crawford. Think about it, why should they? Logically, if they get Werth, Swisher goes away and if they get Crawford, Gardner gets dealt. In both cases, Werth or Crawford would be very small upgrades over Swisher or Gardner but would cost a lot more. It makes no sense at all. On the other hand, I could see Cashman trading for an outfielder with more upside than Swisher or Gardner.

    Montero will share catching/DH duties with Posada next year. The team will carry 3 catchers and the third won’t necessarily be Cervelli.

    Other than that I don’t really see many big moves to be made. The rotation would be Sabathia, Lee, Pettitte, Hughes, Burnett. The bullpen is whatever plus Mo. The lineup would be:
    Gardner LF
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Montero C/DH
    Granderson CF
    Posada C/DH
    Jeter SS

    If I’m being realistic, you probably swap Gardner with Jeter and Montero with Posada.

  165. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    There is no way Montero goes north with the team – if they bring him up in June he wouldn’t be eligible for salary arbitration until after the 2014 season.
    —————————–

    The Yankees really don’t care about when a player is up for arbitration.

  166. Eroc October 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Agree about Jeter. He has to do what is right for the team. And really, he has no leverage at all. He would struggle to even touch $10 mil on the open market. The org. will show him proper respect by giving him more than he will get on the market. It is up to him to be appreciative of that and accept it, rather than holding out for double his value off the year he has had.

  167. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Gb, I was thinking the same thing. The Yankees are only ‘lefty heavy’ when a RHP is on the hill. They magically become “righty heavy” when a LHP is in though.

  168. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    # Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Wow, that’s disappointing. I liked the job Eiland did……although I wonder if Cash wasn’t thrilled at Phil’s performance and acted accordingly.

    Yeah, Dave Eiland was fired because of Phil Hughes.

  169. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    “There is no way Montero goes north with the team – if they bring him up in June he wouldn’t be eligible for salary arbitration until after the 2014 season.”

    —————————-

    If you can name one time the Yankees cared about arbitration implications it would be the first.

  170. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    Wow, that’s disappointing. I liked the job Eiland did……although I wonder if Cash wasn’t thrilled at Phil’s performance and acted accordingly.

    *******************

    I am pretty sure that Phil Hughes would be at the very bottom of the list of reasons why Eiland isn’t returning

    Not everything is about Hughes

  171. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Yankee Trader October 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    SJ44-

    Didn’t think Yankees were very motivated to do incentive based contracts.

    Larry Bowa is available if Thompson leaves and Don Cooper, a NY native, might be available, if Ozzie is let go.
    ————————-

    Bowa doesn’t make sense for the Yankees. He’s the guy you bring in as a bench coach if you have a laid back manager (like Joe Torre) to kick tail. Girardi is enough of a drill instructor that he doesn’t need that type of guy on his bench – he actually needs a laid back guy who can be a contrast to him.

  172. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Anyone who watched Cashman’s press conference could logically deduce that Eiland was dismissed for reasons that had nothing to do with his performance as pitching coach. There was something personal, non-baseball related.

  173. G. Love October 25th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    I have a very hard time thinking that we’re all supposed to rally around a player who potentially has an ego so large that he’d demand 20 million a year when he’s not worth half of that.

    I don’t want to believe Jeter is that kind of player.

    I want to believe he’ll take 15 million or less per year with an understanding that the Yankees will always have a place for them in the organization if he ever chooses to work in baseball past his playing days.

    If he puts the gun to their head for 20 million a year for 3 years or more, he’s not the team player he’s been made out to be.

    He’s Arod.

    I could see Derek thinking his chase of 3000 hits next season means a lot to the team money wise, but it doesn’t mean 20 million per season. 15 is already overpaying him.

    Firing the first shot and dropping Eiland might have been a warning sign by the front office that they are not pleased with what occurred here this season and they are going to be tough this off season.

  174. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Wow, that’s disappointing. I liked the job Eiland did……although I wonder if Cash wasn’t thrilled at Phil’s performance and acted accordingly.

    Why am I not surprised that you link Phil’s performance to Eiland’s firing?

    Phil had a tremendous year…

  175. Bronx Jeers October 25th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I do NOT advocate zero upgrades to the offense so if you’re not pulling for Crawford, I’d like to hear your plan for upgrading the lineup.

    ——————————————————————————————–

    Clearly you have yet to accept Jesus in your life. :wink:

  176. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Few people remember how Gil Patterson got back in baseball after his career was wrecked by injuries. George Steinbrenner offered him a job when GMS went to his favorite Tampa restaurant and it was Gil Patterson that parked his car. Steinbrenner remembered him and hired him on the spot.

  177. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    G. Love,

    Why shouldn’t we root for the players to get as much money as they can? The alternative is rooting for owners to line their pockets more than they already do…

  178. tampayank October 25th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    “# Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I have a few predictions for this offseason…

    I have a feeling that Jeter will go the Posada and A-rod route and get every last cent out of the Yankees. Why shouldn’t he?

    There is zero doubt in my mind that Lee will sign with the Yankees. There are just too many signs pointing to that happening.

    The Yankees will not sign Werth or Crawford. Think about it, why should they? Logically, if they get Werth, Swisher goes away and if they get Crawford, Gardner gets dealt. In both cases, Werth or Crawford would be very small upgrades over Swisher or Gardner but would cost a lot more. It makes no sense at all. On the other hand, I could see Cashman trading for an outfielder with more upside than Swisher or Gardner.

    Montero will share catching/DH duties with Posada next year. The team will carry 3 catchers and the third won’t necessarily be Cervelli.

    Other than that I don’t really see many big moves to be made. The rotation would be Sabathia, Lee, Pettitte, Hughes, Burnett. The bullpen is whatever plus Mo. The lineup would be:
    Gardner LF
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Montero C/DH
    Granderson CF
    Posada C/DH
    Jeter SS

    If I’m being realistic, you probably swap Gardner with Jeter and Montero with Posada.

    You think Jeter’s ego will allow Girardi to bat him 9th? I agree w/ your lineup

  179. ariel October 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    His “mid-season leave of absence aside” is Cashman laying off some bad decisions (AJ, Javy) on Eiland? Or, coupling both factors, did he have to go? We really have not had top quality pitching coaches over recent years….tho some mite believe Mel was (I don’t) or have great feelings for Gator due who he was, but the truth of the matter was that as a pitching coach he didn’t cut it.

  180. tyanksfan36 October 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I’m having a hard time with Jeter. i cannot image the Yankees w/o him.

    He’s literally been on the Yankees half of my life

    _____

    He got drafted by the Yankees when I was 5. He has pretty much been a Yankee my whole life.

  181. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    I just read about Andy – wow. I certainly want him to return, but he’d have to be the #4 guy because at his age, he’s unlikely to stay healthy.

    I’m checking in at the library on my lunch hour, so I have not seen Cashman in order to tell what this is about……I’m shocked.

  182. Bring in the Goose October 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    A great read on Gil Patterson:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03.....wanted=all

  183. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    The issues with the left handedness of the lineup comes almost solely from Grandy and Gardy.

    Having both those guys in the lineup, usually batting back-to-back makes them susceptible to LHP.

    Crawford would do the same thing which is one of the major issues with pursuing him.

    If Granderson or Gardner were RH, they would be golden.

  184. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    G. Love October 25th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Firing the first shot and dropping Eiland might have been a warning sign by the front office that they are not pleased with what occurred here this season and they are going to be tough this off season.

    ***********

    I agree. Total flare gun shot by the Yankees front office.

    They’re going to be aggressive with player movement and contract negotiations.

  185. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    SJ –

    And I agree with you that the Yankees are tired of paying to keep the Pirates afloat, but they aren’t going to draw that line in the sand with Derek Jeter. They’ll do it next year with Jorge Posada.

    After 2011 the Yankees will have signficant payroll coming off the books:
    Swisher
    Posada
    Presumably Andy and Mariano as well

    That’s going to be close to $55 mil – with the exception of Mariano, all of those guys can be replaced.

    By the way, I love Francesa’s logic: The Yankees need to get younger and more athletic, so let’s delete Swisher and bring in Werth.

  186. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    SJ, who is Curt Young?

  187. Joe from Long Island October 25th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I have to admit, I’m really surprised.

    I wonder if Eiland’s personal issue this season, where he missed a couple of weeks, was a factor. Maybe it was shaping up to be an ongoing factor, even in 2011, and Cash didn’t want to be caught short again. If Cash is calling it “private”, then we won’t know for sure.

    I would be even more shocked if Dave Duncan left St. Louis and Tony LaRussa, esp. to come to the Yankees. There was a story that he was upset with Shelly’s long stay in AAA. Also, from what I’ve read, Dave Rhighetti is very happy living in SF. Coney? While he really seems to know a lot about pitching, I don’t know that he’d want to live the life of a coach. Those guys spend a lot of time on the job, even in the offseason. Look at the amount of time KLong puts in.

  188. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Now, for my next hope…………….

    I hope Mariano retires.

    There are three reasons for this, in decending order.

    1. There is a guy on the open market who they could sign to replace him this off-season…..Rafael Soriano. Perfect combo of stuff, maturity and toughness to do the job. They don’t have anybody in house who can do it and trading for closers is always risky business.

    The timing for the Yankees works if Mo decides this is it.

    2. He has nothing left to prove or accomplish. Nothing else needs to be said on that subject and Mo is tiring of the grind and the travel.

    1. Decline is finally beginning to show. While Mo is still effective, decline is beginning to show. The cutter didn’t have the bite over the course of the year it has in years past. Nagging injuries are creeping in and you can’t use Mo as much as you could in the past.

    Nobody stays young forever.

    I’d rather Mo retire a year too early than a year too late.

    No front end closer like Soriano is going to come here and set up for Mo. That’s not how it works.

    I’m hoping Mo calls it a career so he leaves on top and the Yankees can move quickly to have his successor (Soriano) in place.

  189. Eroc October 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    “Firing the first shot and dropping Eiland might have been a warning sign by the front office that they are not pleased with what occurred here this season and they are going to be tough this off season.”

    Yeah, I thought that as well

  190. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    So what’s Cashman saying? He wants to get younger ? How is he going to do that except for Montero? This is an aging team who has to resign Jeter and Mo……..and Alex is here forever.

  191. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    “If he puts the gun to their head for 20 million a year for 3 years or more, he’s not the team player he’s been made out to be.

    He’s Arod. ”

    ————————————

    …..A player we signed. Twice. The second time, when we were the only bidders.

  192. have a cigar October 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Who wants a slow-footed DH who hits near or below .250?

    Remover ‘catcher’ from the equation, and Jorge has to be viewed in a different light. He’s simply not versatile enough in a lineup that’s going to be another year older.

    Saddens me to type that, because I’ve always been a Posada fan.

  193. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    Gb, I was thinking the same thing. The Yankees are only ‘lefty heavy’ when a RHP is on the hill. They magically become “righty heavy” when a LHP is in though.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I always saw it as one of the more balanced line-ups in baseball, and before this past year, they had power, speed OBP and average. I think that there will be a rebound next year to close to normal numbers, with the possible exception of Posada, and I don’t put a rebound past him, either. It will be back to that if Swisher and Granderson can retain/improve on what they learned from Long.

  194. tampayank October 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Soriano had a great year for TB

  195. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Oh please, now the Yankees have to react to the Rangers? Heyman is such a stooge.

  196. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Eiland had personal family problems that were kept in house. I imagine that’s the biggest reason he won’t be back.

    Bret- You’re hoping for Greinke, Crawford, Buck and Putz.

    If they sign Lee at CC money, sign Jeter, Rivera and Pettitte comes back, I imagine the biggest FA pickup will be a Willie Bloomquist type utility player!! :)

  197. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    The issue with Eiland has nothing to do with the on field product.

  198. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    SJ -

    I can see your logic on Mo.

    Having said that – I find it very unlikely that he retires.

    As I said, I think he goes out after this year along with Andy and Posada.

    And if that’s the case and the Yankees miss out on Soriano, there are options on next year’s free agent market (Jonathan Broxton) that the team could look to.

  199. G. Love October 25th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Patrick,

    I don’t want the Yankees to pay Derek Jeter 20 million dollars a year if it means that we cannot upgrade the team in other ways. If we’re placating his ego with money and it costs us the ability to get players who can help it makes zero sense.

    It’s like putting an expensive band aid on a gushing wound.

    Jeter is not worth 20 million a year to any team in this league. He has little to no power. He isn’t hitting for average. His on base plummeted.

    However, I’m not as down on him defensively as some of you are. I thought he was good in the field this year for the most part and would have no problem with him playing SS again.

    His hitting though is not good and the Yankees cannot spend 50 million plus on the life of a contract hoping a singles hitter works his tail off this off season to become something more than that.

    I love the guy. I don’t love what his salary does to the rest of the team.

    And for the record, I also don’t love what Arod, AJ’s and Tex’s salary do to this team long term.

    Tex is looking more and more like Giambi with a great glove to me. Walks, HR’s and long streaky spells of nothing.

    Those three guys are so overpaid it affects what this team can do since they will not have an unlimited budget despite what everyone thinks.

  200. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    Now, for my next hope…………….

    I hope Mariano retires.

    ************

    WOW!!

    BLASPHEMY…but I understand your affinity for Rafael Soriano and I also think he can be locked up for less than 15 mil per which would be a savings and solve the closer questions long term.

    It makes it easier to deal Joba for something useful as well instead of hoping that he’ll regain some value as a potential closer.

  201. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    I heard from a good buddy of mine in the game that Greinke wants no part of NY or Boston.

    If he’s traded, he’s hoping it either to the Cards or Twins.

    My earlier post was submitted too early.

    Eiland’s fate was sealed when he took the leave of absence and the reasons for the leave of absence.

    They had no issue with his on field work and he’s not being made the scapegoat for the pitching issues the second half of the year.

    It also, believe it or not, has NOTHING to do with Phil Hughes.

  202. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    I hope Mo Retires.

    Ummm no.

    The man had a 1.07 era on September 4th.

    Perfect postseason again.

    No.

  203. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    GB&-

    I agree. Tex is better swinging from the right side[no shift], Granderson has improved against lefties, A-Rod’s BA against lefties will improve [.217], and if Bret Gardner learns to bunt, his average will improve.

  204. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Carl, how about you just ignore my posts since you don’t have it in you to be civil? You have no clue why Cashman made this decision. Maybe he made it because the young pitchers regressed (like Joba) or didn’t make sufficient progress. You have no clue why Eiland is not being brought back

  205. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    GB7 -oops not GB& whomever!!

  206. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Bret,

    Rafael Soriano is neither coming here to setup for Mariano nor taking a paycut in free agency to do so.

    He will close somewhere, and get closer money, in 2011.

  207. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Yeah ,Erica I get that……..but it’s still very possible that Cashman wasn’t thrilled with the progress of the young pitchers. You can not say for sure that that is not the case.

  208. Mike in Harrisburg October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Great thought on Mo, SJ44. It would be fitting for him to go out without a final stadium tour or god forbid a Favrean debacle. I think it would be very debilitating for the team and him psychologically if he were to break down mid-season. What on EARTH do you do then.

  209. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    # Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    “If he puts the gun to their head for 20 million a year for 3 years or more, he’s not the team player he’s been made out to be.

    He’s Arod. ”

    ————————————

    …..A player we signed. Twice. The second time, when we were the only bidders.

    A-Rod or Jeter? We signed A-Rod once.

  210. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    GB, agree on Swisher and Granderson.

    I think Cano continues to ‘grow’ as a hitter next season. The sky’s the limit for that guy.

  211. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Wow, I seriously doubt Mo will retire and I have no desire to see him to. The guy is still great. I don’t care about Soriano or anyone else – the only one I want to see on the mound in the late innings is Mo.

  212. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Joel Sherman’s article on Jeter Saturday seemed on target to me. 3 years for $45MM makes more sense to me than 4/$80MM, but I still don’t like the long term commitment.

    If I were the Yanks I’d prefer to pay him $20MM for 1 year than $45MM for 3 (or $80MM for 4). I wish Derek would also see it that way.

    The fact is, if Derek takes a long term, high AAV contract, his rapport with the fans will be at risk. If he doesn’t perform, the media and then the fans will ultimately turn on him.

    The Pettitte plan has much to offer to a guy as rich as Derek already is.

  213. Bronx Jeers October 25th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Now, for my next hope…………….

    I hope Mariano retires.

    ———————————————————————————————

    Honestly it’s hard to read a post that begins like this. :lol:

    At the beginning of the season I kind of thought Mo would quit if Joba had a season in the pen like Phil did in 2009.

  214. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    I think we need to stop worrying about budget here.

    Next year’s team is kind of like Social Security.

    People think the system is about to implode and the whole budget for it will be unmanageable. The reality is that the system is working just fine, we just need a generation to die off (I’ll apologize in advance for any Baby Boomers who receive Social Security that frequent the blog) before the budget becomes rebalanced and manageable again.

    Posada, Mariano, Andy, and Jeter all make a lot more than they would on the open market because of their value to the organization. Once these guys move on, you have the CC, Arod, Tex, and Lee deals as the only major ones left on the books and a bunch of kids/middle earning players filling out the rest of the roster.

    Imagine our budget as something thats constantly expanding and contracting. Next year it will probably be a lot higher than it will be in any year after that because you have the old guard on the books along with the new crop of core players.

  215. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Chip,

    Good point about Broxton reaching free agency after 2011 when there’s more $$$ to spend. I also forgot that the Yankees could make 2011 their last year with Swish and take the draft picks. He’ll be a Type A.

  216. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    33 for 3 would secure Soriano’s service IMO. However, I don’t see Mo retiring.

  217. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    @Erica in NY Maybe I’m thinking of the World Series calendar…

  218. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    I don’t think Andy is coming back.

    As many of you know, I asked after the last game if anyone thought Mo would retire. I kept thinking that there was no other reason for him to be pitching in that game. I would not be shocked if he did.

    Posada has a year left on his contract. I would be surprised he if he didn’t retire as well after next season – at least as a player.

    It’s going to be interesting. And if Mo IS going to retire, we will know it soon enough.

  219. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    # Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Carl, how about you just ignore my posts since you don’t have it in you to be civil? You have no clue why Cashman made this decision. Maybe he made it because the young pitchers regressed (like Joba) or didn’t make sufficient progress. You have no clue why Eiland is not being brought back

    I sure as hell know it aint because of Phil Hughes.

    Everything is about Phil with you.

  220. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Well SJ we have no idea why Eiland was let go, so all we have is speculation. Either way, I’d prefer a veteran pitching coach at this point……not Aldred.

  221. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    I heard from a good buddy of mine in the game that Greinke wants no part of NY or Boston.

    If he’s traded, he’s hoping it either to the Cards or Twins.
    —————————-

    Well he can forget about the Twins, but as I said before I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes to St. Louis in a package centered around Colby Rasmus.

    Rasmus has all kinds of skills but Pujols and LaRussa can’t stand him.

    A rotation of Carpenter, Wainwright, Grenkie and Jamie Garcia would easily carry them to the NLCS.

  222. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Carl, where were you when he opted out of his deal to become a free agent again? We then resigned him to a more expensive deal when we were the only bidders.

  223. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Yankee Trader October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    GB7 -oops not GB& whomever!!

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    GB& is my fraternal twin.

  224. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Mo will be back next year and we should all be glad he will. Good closers come and go, you just can’t predict them. Mo has been such an exception to the rule and a major reason the Yanks have been as successful as they have been. I think the Yanks should ride that horse as absolutely long as they can.

  225. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Carl, Phil is not the only young pitcher on the team. Ok, I mentioned him…..oh, forget it; let’s just drop it. We obviously don’t see eye to eye and never will.

  226. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    Bret,

    Rafael Soriano is neither coming here to setup for Mariano nor taking a paycut in free agency to do so.

    He will close somewhere, and get closer money, in 2011.

    *******

    I agree. I never said Soriano would come here to set up Mo.

  227. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    # Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Carl, where were you when he opted out of his deal to become a free agent again? We then resigned him to a more expensive deal when we were the only bidders.

    We signed him once. That was the only time. We traded for him the first time.

  228. Rich FL October 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    SJ44 – Francessa just said that there are scouts who believe A-Rod’s range to both sides and his throwing arm have declined…do you see a problem with A-Rod staying at 3B in the near future???

  229. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Andy is coming back unless the Yanks try to cram down his salary, IMO.

  230. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Doreen

    My feelings on Andy are well documented. At this point I don’t mind if he comes back, but I just want him to make a decision with enough time for Cashman to prepare for life without him.

    He’s quickly becoming the Yankee version of Brett Favre.

  231. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    The Yankees aren’t paying 11 million a year for a setup guy and Soriano is not taking a demotion to come to NY……or any place else for that matter.

  232. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    “You think Jeter’s ego will allow Girardi to bat him 9th? I agree w/ your lineup”

    No which is why I also gave my “realistic” lineup.

    G. Love,

    What Jeter gets paid won’t effect other moves the Yankees might make. What he’s worth is not just about his on the field contributions. And to be fair, he’s only 1 year removed from one of the best seasons of his career.

    SJ44,

    I hear you with regards to Soriano but I doubt Mo retires and I’d still take Rivera over Soriano.

  233. yanks 27 October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Trade Posada this winter. Maybe to an NL team where he can DH. For us, his hitting has declined and is a liability behind the plate. His production is below average for DH. By clearing him up and handing the catching duties to Montero/Buck, enables us to DH Jeter or A-Rod along with Montero.

    We have a logjam of aging, old players who can’t play D. We need to start clearing some of that logjam. A Posada/Montero platoon? One awful veteran defensive catcher and a young, developing catcher?

    Need to get younger now. Posada can retire and become a coach if he wants.

  234. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I thought Cashman himself said it had nothing to do with what happened on the field and that the reason Eiland was let go is a private matter.

  235. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Also, I’m sorry the Yankees have just completely given up on Joba as a starter….

  236. G. Love October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Shame,

    I think we have to start worrying about the budget if the Yankees are motivated to stop funding other teams through luxury taxes, etc.

    Overpaying Jeter for the next 3-4 years is a bad move if the Yankees are trying to maintain a budget. His worth to the franchise is diminishing.

    I’d even hazard to say his worth to the franchise is solely his pursuit of 3000 hits.

    Once he achieves that, his worth to the Yankees plummets because he’s not catching Pete Rose.

    This contract is about paying him for the pursuit of 3000 just like Arods contract (before the steroid admission) was about the pursuit of Bonds.

    Once Derek hits his 3000th hit next year, if he’s still a singles hitting SS in the .270 range he’s worth much less than 10 million a year.

  237. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    What the hell is Mike talking about?

    Tex isn’t old hes 30!

  238. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Well SJ we have no idea why Eiland was let go, so all we have is speculation. Either way, I’d prefer a veteran pitching coach at this point……not Aldred.

    SJ knows people that work for the Yankees…

    And there are lots of rumors that indicate why Eiland took his leave of absence and why he’s now being fired.

  239. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Rich FL October 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    SJ44 – Francessa just said that there are scouts who believe A-Rod’s range to both sides and his throwing arm have declined…do you see a problem with A-Rod staying at 3B in the near future???
    ———————–

    Of course they’ve declined. He was one of the premier short stops in the game at one point. Now he’s a mid 30′s 3b coming off hip surgery.

    Francesa is making this a lot more complicated than it needs to be:

    You look at the Yankees and the three weakest spots defensively are: Catcher, SS, 3b.

    You have one opening at DH and your top prospect is a catcher – solution – you move your 40 year old catcher to DH and bring in the prospect.

    Eduardo Nunez is leaps and bounds better than Ramiro Pena with the bat which means you can afford to give Jeter and Alex more days off because you’re not replacing them with a total zero at the plate.

  240. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    SJ, I think that’s the rough range that Soriano will get on the open market as a closer. 3 for 33.

  241. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Neither Mo nor Andy will retire IMHO. I think they ride off into the sunset with Jorge after 2011. These guys are like family.

    Broxton makes sense after 2011. He’ll be a free agent. Dude is an ox.

  242. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Carl, color me corrected. We traded for his incredibly high salary once and resigned him to more money even though no one on the open market could match his previous salary.

    My point? That Derek Jeter will get the money that Derek Jeter wants. We can all disagree with it, yell about it, rant and rave that the Yankees are breaking the bank for a player that is in decline but in the end thats how these “negotiations” will play out. Same goes for Lee.

    These guys are gonna get what they want, and its gonna be a s**t ton of money. I don’t get why people even debate the inevitable.

  243. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    I’m no Joba fan, but those comments do seem rather silly if they want to trade him. That said, whoever trades for him would probably try and make him a starter again anyway………but it does devalue him.

  244. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    The age of the Yankee offense will once again be one of the most overblown things of the offseason.

    C: Posada: Old, but he only has one more year left, and the Yankees are stacked at C in the minors. Age at C is not an issue for this team except for 1 more year.
    1B: Tex: 30 years old and still in his prime
    2B: Cano: 28 and right in his prime
    SS: Jeter: old
    3B: Alex: old
    RF: Swish: Will be 30 next year, so still in his prime. Only have him signed through 32.
    CF: Curtis Granderson: Will be 30 next year, so still in his prime. Only signed through 33.
    LF: Gardner: 27 years old and still in his prime.

    So, the Yankees have an old C, SS, and 3B. Catcher is not an issue because Posada is only here for 1 more year and the Yankees have that taken care of in the minors.

    1B, 2B, RF, CF, LF are all in their prime.

    5 of the Yankees 8 position players are in their prime, and they have the best hitting prospect in the minors knocking on the door for catcher.

  245. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Broxton makes sense after 2011. He’ll be a free agent. Dude is an ox.

    I wouldn’t touch Broxton with a 30 foot pole, not after Torre got his hands on him…

  246. JobaTipsHisCap October 25th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    I wish Cashman is gone.
    basically his trades/signings are like playing lottery.

  247. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    # Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I thought Cashman himself said it had nothing to do with what happened on the field and that the reason Eiland was let go is a private matter.

    —————-

    But Doreen, why bother evoking facts in these conversations? Don’t you like the turn they take when we just make stuff up?!

  248. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    GB, agree on Swisher and Granderson.

    I think Cano continues to ‘grow’ as a hitter next season. The sky’s the limit for that guy.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I think that Long is going to have busy winter. I think that 3 players spend time with him to work on fixing their swings. Teixeira, Jeter and Rodriguez, though, I think that it was more Rodriguez’ hip that prevented him from reaching the outsided pitches from the lefties. Teixeira’s left handed swing needs to be leveled out more. Jeter may have to cheat on his swing a little more and find a timing device.

  249. JM October 25th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Above all else, Derek Jeter wants to win. I think he wants the chance to win another ring before he walks away.

    Therefore, IMO, I think he will be willing to take a bit less money or a contract with more performance-based incentives to give the organization more financial flexibility.

  250. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    # Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Also, I’m sorry the Yankees have just completely given up on Joba as a starter….

    I think Joba should have just stayed the set up man. He was better than Bard and Neftali Feliz.

    I hope he can find that form again.

  251. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Great professional scouting report on Yankees, don’t know his name. Six pro scouts that followed the Yankees all year.

    Jeter and A-Rid have slowed defensively. Range and arm.

    I totally agree, the Yankees must get younger. A player’s prime on average is 29-31 years old.

  252. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    The difference between the Yank 2011 committed payroll and the 2012 committed payroll is not nearly as large as some folks here seem to believe. It’s about $37MM, and out of that Cano’s option will be exercised at $14MM, and Swisher will either have to be replaced or his $10MM option exercised.

    That leaves $7MM to replace Posada, which may be more or less easy depending on Montero and Romine, but neither of those are slam dunks to be the catcher in 2012.

  253. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I wish Cashman is gone.
    basically his trades/signings are like playing lottery.

    Name 1 GM that has made all the right trades and signings.

    I’ll save you some time and effort: there isn’t one.

  254. JobaTipsHisCap October 25th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    they should have thought about age of Yankee lineup already.
    it’s not like the problem just occurred yesterday.

  255. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Shame Spencer,

    I think the Yankees were only paying A-Rod 16 million a year too. How they got Texas to pay the rest is beyond me.

    Stealth Cashmoney.

  256. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Above all else, Derek Jeter wants to win. I think he wants the chance to win another ring before he walks away.

    He already has 5, what significance would a 6th hold for him?

  257. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Re: Arod…..

    His range definitely declined as the season went on.

    He wasn’t moving around well at all the last month defensively.

    I didn’t see anything wrong with his arm. Seemed strong as ever to me.

    Betsy,

    Believe it or not, its not a real mystery as to why Eiland is gone.

    Cashman pretty much told everyone, without spelling out the specifics, it was not for any on field issues.

    They need a hire a good pitching coach.

    You don’t know anything about Scott Aldred. Why would you be down on him?

    Frankly, he makes more sense than just hiring a veteran guy who has been around or a name guy.

    He’s familiar with many of the younger arms in the system and has been around Girardi and the ML staff the past two years.

    If you have a competent in house guy, its always better to go that route if you can.

  258. EA October 25th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Why should Jeter gets the money “he wants”?

    He was out OPS-ed by Marco Scutero. He is 36 years old playing a young man’s position with declining range and significant decline in his bat.

    If he went out on the market, he would get 2/$14 or something. Why should we pay him 4/$80? If we don’t, what is he going to do? Retire? Take less money and play for the Tigers?

    We hold all the cards here. For a team with an alleged “budget”, there is no reason to pay the guy 3x his market value when he has no leverage. That’s how you get hamstrung like the A-Rod contract.

  259. tyanksfan36 October 25th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    I just cant see how Soriano will be as effective as he was this year. He may indeed me good but i think this year was just a peak year for him. I dont see Mo retiring, and if he does, there is no one that can replace what he has been for so many years. the longevity is what makes him unique(and cause he is just generally awesome)

  260. RMS October 25th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    SJ44

    I see your point about Mo, but I think and hope he returns next year. He is still a great closer.

  261. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    they should have thought about age of Yankee lineup already.
    it’s not like the problem just occurred yesterday.

    They won the world series with a team older than this year’s team.

  262. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Shame -

    One reason they traded for ARod was because Texas picked up a lot of that salary. If I’m not mistaken, the opt-out got Texas off the hook.

  263. JobaTipsHisCap October 25th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Why should Jeter gets the money “he wants”?
    ************

    I don’t mind at all. But if Jeter gets the money he wants and Yanks fail to sign Lee because of money issue, that would be pretty stupid.

  264. tyanksfan36 October 25th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    EA

    Jeter will make the money because he is Jeter. The guy could come to his negotiations in a wheelchair and he will still make more money than he is “worth” its the intangibles which will get him all that money.

  265. REZ12 October 25th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    “He already has 5, what significance would a 6th hold for him?”

    That’s what people don’t understand.

    From Jeter’s POV, he should take the Yankees to the cleaners in negotiations. He’s already won a bunch, what do 1 or 2 more titles mean to him? The money, however, should be first priority to him.

  266. Joe from Long Island October 25th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Carl – is that Francesa you’re talking about? I sure as heck wouldn’t buy anything he’s selling. He’s in the entertainment business, and generating controversy is what he does.

    SJ – Interesting thought about Mo retiring. Things could play out that way, should Mo decide to call it. The decision is totally his to make, of course. However, I could imagine Cash having a conversation, similar to what goes on with Andy, to please let him know his plans early enough, so that they can move on. Oh, and by the way, this guy Soriano is out there, so if you’re going to make a decision…. you know…. just sayin’….

    Can you imaing having to replace Andy and Mo, in the same winter? Talk about life and time moving on.

  267. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    The only reason I even brought up Arod was because Carl used a comparison of him and Jeter to illustrate why Jeter should take less money (ie: He’s not Arod, so he cares about winning more.. or should).

    My point was only that we could care less if a guy is in it for the money or the glory. As long as they win. I didn’t mean for the entire conversation to be focused on Arod’s salary.

  268. hardwired7 October 25th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    is Francesa serious with his ‘August Romaine’ shtick?

    “Is this kid, August Romaine, going to be ready? No one knows for sure.”

  269. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Re: Arod – “….I didn’t see anything wrong with his arm. Seemed strong as ever to me”.

    **************

    Pro-scouts see it differently.

  270. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I agree with the whole “The Yankees are too old” theme that will take place re: the everyday lineup.

    For example……..

    Put Montero in at C, Jorge at DH, and its no “older” a lineup as any other contending team.

    Its not about getting younger. Its about getting better.

    My proposed lineup has Tex, Cano, Swisher and Granderson in the prime of their careers.

    Montero and Gardner as emerging young players.

    Arod, Jeter and Posada as “old” players who, used properly, are still productive.

    Seems to me that’s the kind of balance you want in a lineup.

  271. Carl October 25th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    # hardwired7 October 25th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    is Francesa serious with his ‘August Romaine’ shtick?

    “Is this kid, August Romaine, going to be ready? No one knows for sure.”

    The guy doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

  272. yanksfansince67 October 25th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Timing is everything – Dave Duncan just signed a two-year deal with the Cards, (MLB Trade rumors)

    Interesting that Francesca said Saturday that Eiland would be gone, then qualified it as just his opinion, did not have any info on the subject.

  273. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    SJ – agreed. The best teams are the ones that have the magic “one third” mix of vets, prime, and rookie players. That’s how you keep teams consistently competitive for decades.

  274. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    You kind find an anonymous baseball scout to tell you anything.

  275. Joey Ramone October 25th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    My top 2 choices to replace him:

    1. Scott Aldred.
    2. Curt Young.
    ????-
    SJ, what do those two bring to the table?

    ———————————————————-

    Curt Young was Oakland’s pitching coach. He recently declined a new contract and a significant raise with the Oakland, so he could go elsewhere. The Red Sox (buddies with Francona) or Diamondbacks (lives in Arizona) are where most of the “pundits” see him going. He is one of the best pitching coaches in the game, as evidenced by the terrific job he’s done with the young staff in Oakland. Hiring him would be a coup…

  276. 108 stitches October 25th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Jeter has no need to play when he’s 40. He’ll get his 3,000 hits next year and would never stay around into his 40′s to attempt the 4,256 hits of Pete Rose.
    He has nothing else to prove. He’ll just keep adding to his own records. A 3-year deal for $45-50M will work for him.
    Beginning in 2011, he may start seeking occasional advice from Kevin Long to remain among the better shortstops. His place in Yankee history is secure.
    I can see Mariano staying for one final year and going out with Jorge and Andy. If he makes the announcement soon enough it gives the team a window to replace him as the closer. Meanwhile, Rafael Soriano could be co-closer in 2011 if enticed with a suitable deal.

  277. tampayank October 25th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    yanks 27 I agree about Posada. To be honest, I don’t enjoy watching him behind the plate and that’s as a Yankees fan. I can’t imagine casual fans having to watch him letting so many balls going to the backstop and jogging to the mound every 2 pitches.

  278. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Jeter and Posada are old, and their production going forward is exactly the question. Posada will hit OK, but can he catch 110 games a year? Can Jeter produce a .750 OPS and field his position adequately, or is 2010 the edge of the precipice?

    If the Yanks say yes and yes, what happens in 2011 if the answers are no and no?

  279. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Actually West Coast, not all of them do.

    Unless of course, they want to put their names on their internet scouting reports.

    I know a lot of scouts and people in the game and I haven’t heard one of them say Arod’s arm is a detriment.

    His range? That’s not exactly breaking news if anybody watched the last 35 games of the Yankees season.

  280. JoeyVegas October 25th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Anybody else think A.J. Pierzynski makes sense for this team next year?

  281. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Well, Mo is going to retire sooner than later.

    He can never be “replaced.” There is only one Mo.

    But his position has to be filled with someone really, really, really good. But no one should expect the next guy in line to be anywhere near as infallible.

  282. pat October 25th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    “Pro-scouts see it differently.”

    I believe the audio clip Francesa played was a scout talking about Derek’s arm not Alex.

  283. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Wave are you practicing to be a sports journalist? That sounds like something right out of the sports section

  284. The Other Phil October 25th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    JoeyVegas October 25th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Anybody else think A.J. Pierzynski makes sense for this team next year?
    =======

    Good god, no.

  285. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes October 25th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Can someone please elaborate on the behind-the-scenes shenanigans that allegedly led to Eiland’s firing?

    It wasn’t related to his job on the field, so can someone who apparently knows whats going stop being so mysterious and just say what supposedly happened?

  286. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    New Post: Yankees beginning Girardi conversations this week

    :arrow:

  287. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Shame -

    I wouldn’t have added my comment about ARod’s salary if I’d seen the other one. Sorry. I knew hat your point was.
    :)

  288. MTU October 25th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    My 2 cents:

    I don’t really care who the Yankees hire to replace Eiland other than to say 2 things :

    1 They have a track record of getting results.

    2 They are professional grade K. long quality.

    SJ-

    You really blew my mind with the POV’s you took on Jeter’s contract, and Mo moving aside.

    I’m gonna have to try to let that rattle around some.

    Get my mind around it.

  289. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    # LGY October 25th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    You kind find an anonymous baseball scout to tell you anything.

    ****************

    The scout was on Francesa and was identified I just cannot remember the name. It was a consortium of pro scouts that followed the Yankees all year. I heard the assessment myself.

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    It would be great if they hired Mussina. I remember a few years back, when he was still pitching, when a pitcher was having difficulty, he knew exactly what they were doing wrong and what they had to do to fix it.

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