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Pettitte was injured in postseason

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 25, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Among the early notes from Joe Girardi is the fact Andy Pettitte was dealing with leg and back problems through the playoffs.

He felt tightness in the division series but pitched through it. Then he was unable to throw his full bullpen between starts. Had Pettitte been healthy, Girardi said, the ALCS rotation might have been different.

“We thought we had to give him those extra couple of days,” Girardi said.

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75 Responses to “Pettitte was injured in postseason”

  1. Fran the original October 25th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Guess sometimes we should learn to trust Girardi when he makes personnel decisions. He does know more than we do.

  2. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Well that explains that. Interesting. But also not good for potential Andy in 2011 prospects…

  3. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    It’s moot.

    Hurt or not, Andy was the most effective starter the Yankees had in the ALCS and no matter how he juggled that rotation it wouldn’t have made the other three starters more effective nor would it have generated hits by the lineup.

    I’m pretty sure Andy comes back for one last year (side note, I also think 2011 will be the last years for Posada and Mo) my question is only how long he drags out his decision. It would be nice for the Yankees to know before the GM meetings so Cashman can start looking for replacements if Andy decides to hang them up.

  4. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Wow. Poor Andy. :(

  5. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    But, Fran…how do we know that Girardi wasn’t being deceitful and is just covering himself? As you know, that’s all he ever does.

  6. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Fran,

    Just got back into town and read about Trisha’s brother.

    Please send her my condolances.

    Erica and Pat M have my email address.

    Tell her if she needs anything to get my email address and I will be of any assistance she needs.

    Dealing with loss, something that I sadly know all too well, isn’t easy.

    Tell her she has a lot of friends praying and thinking about her today.

  7. Zach S October 25th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Pretty amazing performance he gave vs Lee considering that. Come back Andy for one more year!

  8. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    SJ – My brother from another mother. How you been? How’s your nephew? Did I read that he had some injury?

  9. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Fran, please send Trisha my thoughts and prayers.

  10. pat October 25th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    benshpigel Andy’s back was so troublesome that if alds had gone to gm 5 he might not have been able to start

  11. ericns1 October 25th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Please send my condolences as well.

    Eric S.

  12. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Why does Girardi even bother to have a press conference. Glittering generalities – passing the buck on every question.

  13. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Chip,

    Doing well. Busy time of the year for me.

    No new injury for the nephew in the AFL. He’s doing well. Hitting over .300, .870 OPS and playing well behind the plate.

    Not bad considering he missed the last half of the season with a broken jaw.

  14. Fran the original October 25th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    But, Fran…how do we know that Girardi wasn’t being deceitful and is just covering himself? As you know, that’s all he ever does.
    ****************************
    GB,
    You must be right ;)

    SJ and Tom,
    Will send your condolences on to Trisha.

  15. Jerkface October 25th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Andre Ethier hits .233 .292 .333 .625 vs LHP and is the worst defensive RFer in the league. Swisher is a better overall player than Ethier.

  16. cs October 25th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Do they remove the sod every year? I never realized they did this. I always thought they just left it and maybe did some maintenance work. What do they do with the sod that is being removed?

  17. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    Why does Girardi even bother to have a press conference. Glittering generalities – passing the buck on every question.
    ————————-

    Because it’s part of his job.

    No manager, coach, GM, whatever is going to tell the press (and therefor the fans) every nugget that’s going on inside the clubhouse – well unless he’s Joe Torre and trying to write a book to burn the organization that turned him from Clueless Joe into a Hall of Fame manager.

  18. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    cs…

    Yeah they do.

    as for what they do with the old sod…well you should see the lawns that some of these groundskeepers have LOL

  19. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    SJ –

    Good stuff – he looking at AA or AAA to open next season?

  20. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    The cynic in me wants to say they give the sod to Steiner Sports….

  21. pat October 25th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    The Pinstripe Bowl being played this winter at the Stadium might change how the field is mainained this year.

  22. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Ledger_Yankees In talking about Jorge, Girardi says he’d be in favor of 7 day dl for concussions.

  23. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    “What do they do with the sod that is being removed?”

    Steiner Sports sells it for $1,000 a square foot. :P

  24. bruceb October 25th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Like every Yankee fan, I love Andy P. to death. But you can’t ignore the evidence. He’s fast approaching 40 and has a lot of miles on the clock. Clearly, his body can no longer stand up to 162 regular season games plus the post-season. If he does return next year, we’re going to need a strong backup in the ML system.

  25. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 October 25th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Wow. Reason #10000000 why I love Andy Pettitte. He was hurt and still gave the best performance out of all starting pitchers in the ALCS. Such a gamer.

  26. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    @Tom in NJ – You beat me to the joke!

  27. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    “What do they do with the sod that is being removed?”

    Steiner Sports sells it for $1,000 a square foot.
    ———————-
    How do you authenticate that?

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “Cervey did a good job”

    “He did a good job behind the plate”

    Clearly they need to do something about that obstructed view from the dugout.

  29. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I wasn’t Joking

    :(

  30. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    BloggingBombers Girardi: “On Halloween, my contract is up. We’ll see if I’m a pumpkin or not.”

    :lol:

    I love Girardi.

  31. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Great job Yankee press. Not one question about Gardner. Not that they would have received an answer.

  32. upstate kate October 25th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I would say he did a good job behind the plate…considering he had to catch AJ and Javy

  33. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    And that right there is again, why you can’t look at Jorge’s numbers as a DH and say that he shouldn’t be the DH next year.

    Jorge DHed last year when he was too hurt to catch but not too hurt to play; at no time did he DH at 100% and he also didn’t want to do it.

    That’s why I believe that one of the most important conversations that needs to happen between now and February isfor Cash and Girardi to sit Jorge down and say “listen, we know you want to catch and in your heart still think of yourself as an everyday catcher but the fact is that your body isn’t letting you do it anymore. Look at the trips to the DL, the games you had to miss with nagging injuries. We need your bat in the lineup everyday and the best way for us to do that is to seriously cut back your load behind the plate. So what we’re going to do is this. You are going to open the season doing the lion’s share of the catching while Jesus Montero gets his feet wet, but as the season goes on you are going to do more and more DHing while Montero does more catching. Ideally we’ll have you both catch about 70 – 75 games and let Cervelli pick up the rest.”

    And hopefully Posada accepts that – if not the club will have to do it anyway and just deal with a cranky Jorge (a notion that I believe scares the managment team to death)

  34. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    @Cashmoney – Wow, I guess I wasn’t either… look:

    @Tom – http://www.steinersports.com/s.....dium-grass

  35. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    As far as re-tooling the team, I don’t think they are going to blow things up, despite the pleas of some fans.

    I thought Chip had a solid post yesterday about re-tooling the roster in a logical way.

    Ill chime in my thoughts on that later.

    Re: Girardi…….

    I was one of his biggest critics the last part of the year. Mainly because he went away from what made him successful. He got too caught up in overthinking every move, his binder, and his communication with the players receded back to his 2008 ways.

    For example, you can’t say you, “liked the matchup”, when a relief pitcher is 0-2 or 0-3 lifetime against a hitter.

    Well, you can but, you then can’t get offended when you are questioned whether or not you are too much of a numbers freak, at the cost for lacking a feel for the game.

    There is no question he took his foot off the gas too early with the team and they never really regained their footing.

    Injuries definitely hurt. Its not an “excuse”. Its a fact.

    When Andy got hurt, the starting staff, with the exception of CC and Hughes, fell apart.

    Swisher, Tex, Jeter, Arod and Gardner pretty much played to last 2+ months of the season at less than full strength. That also played into things.

    However, Joe got too uptight in September and it did carry down to the clubhouse. The team played too tight because he was too tight.

    I don’t know why that was the case but, that has to change.

    Sometimes, its easy to forget he’s only in his 4th year as a big league manager. He is still learning.

    Would I bring him back? Yes.

    I also hope he learns from this season and applies those lessons in a positive manner to keep growing as a manager.

    Despite all of the issues surrounding the team, they still were only 2 wins away from the WS.

    In other words, you don’t have to blow it up. You have to re-tool it which, I believe will be the path they take in the off-season.

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Cervelli is a mediocre backup catcher who cant throw runners out or hit.

  37. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    BloggingBombers Girardi on Joba’s future: “We consider him a bullpen guy in the back end of the bullpen.”

  38. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    West Coast –

    What question about Gardner would you have liked them to ask? He played far better than most of us (myself included) ever thought he was capable of.

  39. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    WCYF -

    Girardi is NEVER throwing a player to the wolves. What real good does that do? What the organization thinks privately and what he’s going to say publicly are not necessarily going to jibe.

  40. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    What Girardi thought of his play this year. Does he see him as a starter next year. Ask a question and see what information you might get. Not that it would matter – Girardi is the master at being evasive.

  41. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Ledger_Yankees “I’m sure we’ll definitely look at the free agent market pitcher.” – Girardi, answering a Cliff Lee question without saying “Cliff Lee.”

  42. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    ——————–
    Those look suspected to me. I think I saw those grass in Central Park in the previous summer before. That, or, they belonged to Erin’s lawn! I think there are some sinister works at hand.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    No one is talking about throwing a player to the wolves. I’ll leave it at this. Watch a Charley Manuel press conference.

  44. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    BloggingBombers Girardi on Joba’s future: “We consider him a bullpen guy in the back end of the bullpen.”

    Wow… did anyone expect to hear THAT three years ago?

  45. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    SJ –

    Exactly right regarding retooling vs. blowing it up.

    Look, we all know that this winter begins and ends with Cliff Lee.

    Add in another LH relief pitcher or two (Scott Downs, Randy Choate, Craig Breslow) and a veteran off the bench who can fill in at all four corners (Eric Hinske), swap out Ramiro Pena for Eduardo Nunez and bring back Thames and I think you’re good to go.

    Kerry Wood will probably get an offer to close somewhere (I’m thinking St. Louis); Berkman, Javy and Kearns are goners.

    They are minor tweeks but ones that will put a slightly deeper team on the field.

  46. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    ???????
    Those look suspected to me. I think I saw those grass in Central Park in the previous summer before. That, or, they belonged to Erin?s lawn! I think there are some sinister works at hand.

    *******************************

    :lol:

  47. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    *look suspect

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    They said that about Joba at the end of Spring Training. Eiland, Eppler, etc. His starter days are long gone here.

  49. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Trying to make a few quick bucks, huh Erin?

  50. upstate kate October 25th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    what is wrong w/ Girardi being evasive? Suppose he says Gardner is a starter next year…then other teams know the Yankees aren’t in on Crawford, and vice versa if he says Gardner isn’t a starter. Why would he want to tip the Yankees hand?

  51. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Doreen, when you go to the Trenton games next year, keep an eye on their catcher, Jose gil and his back-up Mitch Abeita…in particular, Gil. He’s got a pretty decent bat with power, but another very good defensive catcher. You’ll love Melky Mesa, too….sometimes.

  52. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    What Girardi thought of his play this year. Does he see him as a starter next year. Ask a question and see what information you might get. Not that it would matter – Girardi is the master at being evasive.
    ——————–

    Why wouldn’t Girardi see him as a starter next year?

    I get that you want more from Girardi, but asking about Gardner seems like a waste of time. The guy hit .277 with a .380 OBP and nearly 50 stolen bases and gave them solid defense in LF – so unless the club trades him I think we can all pencil him in as the starting LF next year.

  53. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Chip,

    Looks like he will start next year in Altoona (AA).

    Posada has no illusions about where he is at this stage of his career.

    He also will have no problem mentoring Montero. The two are very close.

    I don’t think Jorge will hold up physically to catch 100+ games next year.

    I also don’t see them spending any significant money on a catcher this off-season unless they trade Cervelli.

    I think the plan now is to give Montero every chance to show he can catch at least half the games next year, with Jorge catching the rest. If Cervelli is still with the team, he may end up 20-40 games and splitting into Montero’s or Posada’s projected games.

    There are several significant voices in the organization who believe Montero can catch 60-80 games next year.

    Ideally, the Yankees like to break in young catchers slowly with a veteran to help mentor him. They also know Montero likes and respects Posada.

    We shall see.

  54. Phil in Columbus October 25th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    If the Yanks bring Joe Girardi back, which I think he should, they should give him atleast a 3 year deal and show some confidence in him. The one thing about management is that you tend to manage tight and are afraid to take chances when you are looking over your shoulder. Joe needs to loosen up and know that the organization has confidence in his ability.

  55. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Hey all, I’ve been trying to take a few days off the blog to regroup :) Hope you all understand.

    I just read about trisha’s brother, if someone could send her my condolences I’d be appreciative. I would ask for her email address so I could do it myself but I don’t want people to think I’m a creeper..

  56. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    Trying to make a few quick bucks, huh Erin?

    ************************

    I’ll never tell. ;)

  57. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Does the back end of the bullpen mean innings 7 and 8?

    What did you want him to say about Cervelli that wouldn’t sound like he was being thrown under the bus, to the wolves, whatever? And what purpose does it serve? What they say to Cervelli is what’s important. What they talk about amongst themselves is important.

  58. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    Good afternoon, BerTin. Hope all is well and you’re going to crack the whip here to keep everyone in line. especially Ernica.

    **************

    That Ernica is a real handful :evil:

  59. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    No one is talking about throwing a player to the wolves. I’ll leave it at this. Watch a Charley Manuel press conference.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If the media needs a clown or somebody to tell funny stories, let them go see jackie Mason

  60. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    BloggingBombers Cashman drops a bomb: Dave Eiland will not return as pitching coach.

    BloggingBombers Cashman on Eiland: “He’s not being blamed for what took place. … I hope you believe me on that.”

  61. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    New Post: Eiland not being brought back

    :arrow:

  62. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Dave Eiland fired as the pitching coach, just heard from WFAN.

  63. GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    GreenBeret7 October 25th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    Good afternoon, BerTin. Hope all is well and you’re going to crack the whip here to keep everyone in line. especially Ernica.

    **************

    That Ernica is a real handful

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    So are you. I always try to keep on your good side. You might hurt me.

  64. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    “What do they do with the sod that is being removed?”

    Steiner Sports sells it for $1,000 a square foot.

    ************

    I believe there will also be a special on the YES Network featuring the history of the sod and its longstanding history in Yankee tradition. With a phone number to call to purchase it

  65. Chip October 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Without the obligatory Chip fantasy trade – here’s my winter for the Yankees:

    Sign: Cliff Lee, Randy Choate, Scott Downs, Eric Hinske

    Jeter – 4yrs 80 mil
    Mo – 1yr 15 mil
    Andy – 1yr 12 mil

    Lineup:

    Jeter – SS
    Granderson – CF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Swisher – RF
    Posada – DH
    Montero – C
    Gardner – LF

    Bench: Cervelli, Hinske, Thames, Nunez

    Rotation: CC, Lee, Hughes, Andy, AJ

    Pen
    RHP: Mariano, Robertson, Joba, Mosley
    LHP: Logan, Choate, Downs

  66. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    GB 7 -

    At some point, I’m going to sit down with Trenton’s schedule and find as many games as I can where I can go alone (in addition to a few with the fam). I didn’t see near as many games as I’d have liked to this season. Part of that is they’re doing work on the NJ turnpike and traveling to games isn’t always a picnic right now.

    I’m also going to try and see the River Dogs when they play Lakewood. That was fun, too.

  67. SJ44 October 25th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I don’t know what you expect Girardi to say at an end of the year PC or if you even know what goes on with these things.

    They aren’t designed to be rip the players sessions or pity parties.

    Are you seriously jonesing for Charlie Manuel? The guy who used his #2 starter in relief, after he threw his bullpen AND iced down? lol

    That’s not exactly managerial genius. In fact, that’s mangerial stupidity at its finest.

    Look, the Yankees lost in the ALCS. Certainly not the desired result but, these things do happen.

    Girardi doesn’t have to fall on any swords or go rip city on anybody.

    You learn from the experience and move on. Its all you can do.

  68. zimmls90 October 25th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    I’m glad that this is coming out now because it explains a lot about why Burnett got the start in game 4 but I wish that we had known this from the beginning. Pettitte was obviously not too hurt that he couldn’t pitch so why not tell people that he was nursing some injuries to help fans and reporters understand Girardi’s decision not to want to throw him on short rest. There were a lot of people, myself included, that could not understand why the guy we paid $160 million wasn’t pitching 3 times in the ALCS and the reason had more to do with asking Pettitte and Hughes to work on short notice and not just CC. Sabathia makes so much money, he should really start every single postseason game (just kidding, maybe every other though). While the news of Pettitte’s injury helps me to understand the skippers decision to not only go with Burnett, but also the real reasoning why, it also worries me about next season and what the Yankees rotation may look like, especially at the end of another long season considering we are not looking at getting much younger. Even if we sign Cliff Lee, other than him and CC, Hughes, Pettitte, and Burnett are all kind of sketchy. Burnett needs to be traded or released and the Yankees need to sign or trade for another premium starting pitcher. I propose going after “King” Felix Hernandez. He is one of the best pitchers in baseball, he is only 24 years old, and he plays on one of the worst teams in the majors with a minuscule payroll that will not be able to afford his services once his contract is up. This acquisition would solidify the Yankees pitching rotation for years to come. I would even go as far as to say that getting Hernandez, while maybe not being as easy, is more important than signing Lee, who is already 32 and while being one of the most dominating pitchers in all of baseball over the past few years, is certaintly on the back-end of his prime and career.

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