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Yankees unlikely to pick up any player options

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 25, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_134268Kerry Wood was terrific during his two and a half months in New York, and the Yankees have the option of bringing him back before he hits the free agent market, but that seems unlikely.

The Yankees have contract options on three players:

• Wood has an $11-million club option.
• Lance Berkman has a $15-million club option.
• Nick Johnson has a $5.75-million mutual option.

It’s unlikely any of the options will be picked up.

“They’re all pretty obvious,” Brian Cashman said. “I have to sit in the office and look at the numbers and stuff like that, but I think, probably, they’re all such large numbers that we wouldn’t be picking up options for anybody off the top of my head. But I have to sit down and go through it and talk to ownership. But my initial thought is they’re all pretty obvious.”

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280 Responses to “Yankees unlikely to pick up any player options”

  1. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Gardner+ for Soria.

  2. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    It’s really spooky how much my cousin looks like Kerry Wood. LOL

  3. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Bret,

    If you want Soria get ready to send Montero to KC….

  4. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Come on now Cashman, you’re really not going to pick up Nick Johnson’s option??? ;)

  5. GhettoBlaster October 25th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    The Royals would want much more than a below avg outfielder for one of the best closers in the game.

    so funny what people try to pass off as trade offers.

  6. ConcernedCitizen October 25th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Might as well drop the change on Wood so you have a reliable reliever in the pen, especially for the post season.

  7. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    575k for Nick!

  8. upstate kate October 25th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Nick who???

  9. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Nick on first?

  10. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    “Give Montero every chance to make the 2011 roster and be able to catch 60-80 games and go all in for Lee in free agency.”

    That’s the long and short of it…

    On one hand I’m relieved we still have Montero, on the other I am disappointed in what could have been had we gotten Lee.

  11. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Gardner + Joba + Romine for Soria.

  12. yanks 27 October 25th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    “Gardner+ for Soria.”

    Rather use Gardner in a trade to acquire a young, athletic outfielder than a set-up man.

  13. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    If they decline to pick up an option, can they still sign a player?

  14. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I think MPF might be over :-(

  15. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    JOAKIM SORIA – 2012 closer for the New York Yankees. 2011 setup man.

  16. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Doreen – yes. They just need to compete with the 29 other teams to do so.

  17. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    “Give Montero every chance to make the 2011 roster and be able to catch 60-80 games and go all in for Lee in free agency.”

    That’s the long and short of it…

    On one hand I’m relieved we still have Montero, on the other I am disappointed in what could have been had we gotten Lee.

    ***************

    Be careful Patrick.

    The day the Yankees almost traded for Lee, if my memory serves you were lighting candles for some devine intervention to stop the trade from going through because you didn’t want to lose Montero.

  18. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    I think MPF might be over
    —————-
    He can be your MPF whenever he goes… no long distance?

  19. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    I wouldn’t have picked up Wood’s option at $11M despite the fact that I would have liked to have retained his services. He’ll get a closer gig somewhere for sure.

    As for Nick Johnson, not only should they not pick up his option, they should ask him to give his 2010 salary back because he certainly didn’t earn it.

  20. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    *wherever…

  21. JT October 25th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    I think Joba is on the block.

    Cashman and Girardi had a very coordinated shpiel about how his “season wasn’t as bad as it looked” and how he “pitched better than his numbers.”

    That sounds like a how you pitch a “high ceiling” guy to another GM.

    Yeah, Joba was good–except when he stunk.

  22. Cashman needs to go October 25th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Nick Johnson has a $5.75-million mutual option

    ******************

    How hard does the yankee front office laugh (i would say cashman but he is so dumb he may actually pick that option up) if Nick Johnson calls and says he’s picking up his side of the 5.75M mutual option expecting the yankees to do the same..DL Johnson should not embarras himself and be the first one to decline the option – i’d have more respect for him if he did….

  23. Bronx Jeers October 25th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Another season…another player for Erica to pretend seduce…

    Like Susan Sarandon in “Bull Durham” Only strictly operating on the astral plane.

  24. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Be careful Patrick.

    The day the Yankees almost traded for Lee, if my memory serves you were lighting candles for some devine intervention to stop the trade from going through because you didn’t want to lose Montero.

    Yup I was but the basis of my feeling on that subject was I felt that the Yankees rotation would hold up through the playoffs. Don’t forget, at the time Javy was pitching well, Burnett was still okay and Pettitte was having a phenomenal year. Right after the Lee trade fell through Pettitte went down with the injury and Burnett/Vazquez turned to crap.

    If I knew then what the rotation would do I might have been in favor of that trade

  25. 108 stitches October 25th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Not picking up the options on Johnson and Berkman is a no brainer but Chamberlain won’t make anybody forget about Kerry Wood.
    Cashman has to at least explore doing something about Kerry. He truly liked his experience as a Yankee.

  26. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    I think MPF might be over
    —————-
    He can be your MPF whenever he goes… no long distance?

    ***************

    It didn’t work out so well between MPB Johnny Damon & I

  27. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    “I think Joba is on the block. ”

    Who wants him? Whatever market there was for Joba disappeared this season. At this point, we might have to pay people to take him.

  28. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Bronx Jeers October 25th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    Another season…another player for Erica to pretend seduce…

    Like Susan Sarandon in “Bull Durham” Only strictly operating on the astral plane
    *******************

    I am focusing all of my pretend efforts solely on the idea of MPB Johnny Damon coming back to me.

    I have a really big birthday coming in December. I hope Cashman will come through for me

  29. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    “Cashman has to at least explore doing something about Kerry. He truly liked his experience as a Yankee.”

    Perhaps, but he’ll like being someone’s closer better (Unless he wants to wait around for Mo to retire in 2 years).

  30. Niblick October 25th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    I can’t believe they’re not bringing Nick Johnson back. That’s going be a big blow to the New York medical community.

  31. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    “I am focusing all of my pretend efforts solely on the idea of MPB Johnny Damon coming back to me.”

    It would not shock me if the Yankees signed Damon to a modest one year deal.

  32. yanks 27 October 25th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    NJ was a great move… it is unfortunate that he got injured though

  33. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    # Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Gardner+ for Soria.
    ————————————————
    I would really like to see this

  34. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    JT October 25th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    I think Joba is on the block.

    **************

    Pssst. Joba’s been on the block for about a year at least

  35. Erin October 25th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Niblick October 25th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    I can?t believe they?re not bringing Nick Johnson back. That?s going be a big blow to the New York medical community.

    ************************************

    :lol:

  36. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    I remember I proposed Gardner + Joba for DeJesus + Soria and some folks on LOHUD (who shall remain nameless) went ballistic on me.

    Of course at the time, Joba’s future as a starter wasn’t yet a lost cause and Gardner was hitting .340.

  37. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    “I think Joba is on the block. ”
    —————-
    sure, if you get something better than Joba , by all means. However, his value is prolly low right now, unless you think he is utter garbage. Joba can still be a valuable piece in the BP IMO. If wood and Joba both goes, who will be left the BP? who will replace them? Those are question one needs to ask before putting Wockeez on the block.

  38. Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Joba’s future as a starter isn’t a lost cause…. He should be starting IMO

  39. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    joeman October 25th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    # Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Gardner+ for Soria.
    ————————————————
    I would really like to see this

    *******

    Thank you. I will keep that in mind when the usual suspects waltz in here, circlejerk and dog pile Bret The Hitman.

  40. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    joba comes back he really needs to get himself in shape…..he looked like he got bigger as the year went on

  41. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    To me these are the only untouchables. Everyone else is available if the deal is a good one:

    Jeter
    Mariano
    Pettitte
    A-Rod
    Teixeira
    Cano
    Sabathia

  42. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    I remember I proposed Gardner + Joba for DeJesus + Soria and some folks on LOHUD (who shall remain nameless) went ballistic on me.
    ——————-
    LOL, I bet you got faced!

  43. JT October 25th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Who wants him? Whatever market there was for Joba disappeared this season. At this point, we might have to pay people to take him.

    —————

    Do you know how much money Kyle Farnsworth has made in this league? Please.

  44. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Patrick October 25th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Yup I was but the basis of my feeling on that subject was I felt that the Yankees rotation would hold up through the playoffs. Don’t forget, at the time Javy was pitching well, Burnett was still okay and Pettitte was having a phenomenal year. Right after the Lee trade fell through Pettitte went down with the injury and Burnett/Vazquez turned to crap.

    If I knew then what the rotation would do I might have been in favor of that trade

    ***************

    In retrospect, Cashman really wasn’t being greedy after all

    Although, Burnett actually first crapped out as soon as Eiland took his leave in end of June/early July

  45. pat October 25th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    “Who wants him? Whatever market there was for Joba disappeared this season. At this point, we might have to pay people to take him.”

    I haven;t given up on Joba but…….

    He’s young, still reasonably priced and showed he had the talent to do it in the AL East. There’s always a market for that.

  46. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    some team in the mid-west might take a chance on joba

  47. Bret The Hitman October 25th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Cashmoney,

    Oh they still think that throwing my Soria fixation in my face is an insult.

    They forgot the details of those Soria proposals.

    I was selling high on Gardner (and I knew it) and literally trying to HOSE the Royals.

    They thought the Yankees were getting hosed in that deal and that Bret The Hitman is the dummy here.

    LMREO

  48. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Thanks, Shame. Appreciate the answer. So you take the chance you can be high bidder and come in under the options number? (If you still have interest in the player, that is)

  49. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Looks like my suggestion to consider a change of positions for A-Rod and Jeter is a question being asked of Girardi and Cashman today.

  50. champ809 October 25th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    GM’s and talent evaluators do not have the same thought process as fans when looking at player performance.

    I guarantee you guys that while Joba’s value is certainly down from where it was 2yrs ago it’s not nearly as dramatic as most of you guys think it is and there are certainly many people in the game that feel a front line starter is still bubblin under the surface….

  51. JT October 25th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Pssst. Joba?s been on the block for about a year at least

    ————–

    What are you talking about? Joba started this season as the 8th inning guy. There were very high hopes for him in his return to the bullpen.

  52. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cash moved Granderson and/or Swisher in the off-season.

  53. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I could see Swish going in a deal

  54. Erica in NY October 25th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    JT October 25th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    Pssst. Joba?s been on the block for about a year at least

    ————–

    What are you talking about? Joba started this season as the 8th inning guy. There were very high hopes for him in his return to the bullpen.

    ***********************

    Right. Joba started as the 8th inning guy because he was a failed starter.

    If the Yankees believed they could have gotten value for him, they would habe traded him. His stock was already down at the beginning of the season

  55. champ809 October 25th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    There are I’m sure quite a few organizations that feel that they can take the player and tools that Joba has and extract a much better performance from him through better coaching…

    Don’t think the Cards would have an interest in turning Dave Duncan loose on Joba…

  56. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Lets take a look at what this team would look like next season with Alex at DH and Jeter in LF just as an example to demonstrate why the Yankees will never do it in 2012.

    Jeter LF
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex DH
    Cano 2B
    Granderson CF
    Posada C
    Brandon Laird 3B
    Eduardo Nunez SS

  57. Dylan October 25th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Obviously we aren’t going to pick up any of those options. Wood is the only guy the Yankees would even want back, but not for 11 mil. Also, no way would I trade Montero for Soria. Our bullpen is already pretty good. I would rather just resign Wood, even if we have to overpay a little bit. Their are a couple moves that I think the Yankees need to make.

    1- Resign Mo, Jeter, and Pettite

    2- Do whatever it takes to get Cliff Lee in pinstripes.

    3- Resign Thames

    4- Resign Wood or another reliever (Joaquin Benoit, Scott Downs, Jesse Crain)

    5- Sign a 4th outfield (Jose Guillen, Jonny Gomes, Xavier Nady)

    6- Bring up Montero or sign another catcher (John Buck, Bengie Molina, Rod Barajas)

    7- Sign a utility infielder (Juan Uribe, Jerry Hairston Jr., Cristian Guzman)

  58. RadioKev October 25th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    I hope Wood doesn’t make us look foolish next year..

    I’m not sure who in our system matches up as the next set up man if Cashman doesn’t want to spend on one.

    I also don’t doubt that there is a market for Joba, but I’m not sure why you would trade him when we’re all ready saying goodbye to Wood. No team out there is going to trade a better set up guy to us for Joba, and we don’t have any particularly burning position player needs. What’s the logic there? He’s not bad enough to be forced out of the organization.

  59. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    “Jeter LF
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex DH
    Cano 2B
    Granderson CF
    Posada C
    Brandon Laird 3B
    Eduardo Nunez SS”

    You are making a lot of assumptions here, LGY. I don’t think Alex needs to DH just yet, but at some point, he will. I guarantee you that the team will look drastically different by then.

  60. JT October 25th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Right. Joba started as the 8th inning guy because he was a failed starter.

    If the Yankees believed they could have gotten value for him, they would habe traded him. His stock was already down at the beginning of the season

    ————————

    We can agree to disagree. I just sense that the Yanks have lost faith in him and could very well try to move him. My “tipoff” was the very specific way both Joe and Cashman spoke about his season. It sounded more like a rehearsed sales pitch than the usual quick off-the-cuff analysis That’s all. Just a gut feeling.

  61. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    “You are making a lot of assumptions here, LGY. I don’t think Alex needs to DH just yet, but at some point, he will. I guarantee you that the team will look drastically different by then.”

    ———————————-

    Of course but that is a ways away. I never said Alex will never moved off DH, just certainly not in 2012 or with any combination of Jeter moving to LF at the same time.

  62. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    For what it’s worth, Cashman told Francesa that once Joba lost the battle for the 5th starters job he was told he was a relief pitcher. Period. Didn’t sound like the door was open anymore.

  63. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    1- Resign Mo, Jeter, and Pettite
    Will happen although I think Andy probably retires.

    2- Do whatever it takes to get Cliff Lee in pinstripes.
    Done deal even though it hasn’t happened yet.

    3- Resign Thames
    He’s a little too streaky for me. I run hot and cold with this guy. I’d be up for a Damon return though.

    4- Resign Wood or another reliever (Joaquin Benoit, Scott Downs, Jesse Crain)
    Agreed.

    5- Sign a 4th outfield (Jose Guillen, Jonny Gomes, Xavier Nady)
    I hate Jonny Gomes. He’s a thug. Guillen has a bad rep. We can do better. Nady’s a hottie so I’m down with that. :)

    6- Bring up Montero or sign another catcher (John Buck, Bengie Molina, Rod Barajas)
    I think Montero needs to be the guy. Either use this guy or trade him for some stud pitcher.

    7- Sign a utility infielder (Juan Uribe, Jerry Hairston Jr., Cristian Guzman)
    Works for me.

  64. RadioKev October 25th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Jeter also isn’t a huge liability at SS yet. The man still has an arm, he can still turn a double play, and his offensive stats, should they improve to previous seasons, offer a major position advantage than many SSs on the market.

    One season doesn’t damn Jeter’s career in my eyes. This guy has been the most consistent SS of his generation, I bet he can return to form.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    LGY October 25th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Lets take a look at what this team would look like next season with Alex at DH and Jeter in LF just as an example to demonstrate why the Yankees will never do it in 2012.

    Jeter LF
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex DH
    Cano 2B
    Granderson CF
    Posada C
    Brandon Laird 3B
    Eduardo Nunez SS

    ***************

    Who said that would be the team? The Yankees can go out and get a 3B.

  66. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “Who said that would be the team? The Yankees can go out and get a 3B.”

    ———————————–

    Then name a single viable target and how he fits into the payroll.

  67. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Girsey will work some evil machinations to bring back Mitre… I am convinced of that.

  68. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    LGY – if you listened to Girardi and Cashman today – it shouldn’t come as a shock that it could happen soon. Did you hear their comments? They have been posted here.

  69. BIG AL October 25th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Why give up prospects to get Soria when you can sign Soriano as an FA?

    Other FA options are; JJ Putz, Benoit, Downs, all would be much less costly than Wood. Heck, you could get all 3 for the price of Wood.

  70. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    There is no way DJ will be moed to LF. It’s silly to even discuss it.

    And for what the Yanks have to pay ARod he will play third even if he needs crutches to do it.

  71. Yank 97 October 25th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Posada is the liability… not Jeter or A-Rod. i don’t know why people lump all 3 of them together. Posada is shot behind the plate. We can live with the other two in the field

  72. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Fun Rangers trivia:

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....acts_N.htm

  73. pat October 25th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “Right. Joba started as the 8th inning guy because he was a failed starter.”

    So was some guy named Mo and he seems to have made a nice little career in the pen.

  74. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 25th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    “Posada is the liability? not Jeter or A-Rod. i don?t know why people lump all 3 of them together. Posada is shot behind the plate. We can live with the other two in the field”

    People focus on Jeter and Alex because Posada only has one year left. Alex has at least 6 years left. Jeter will sign for more than one.

  75. RadioKev October 25th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    # pat October 25th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “Right. Joba started as the 8th inning guy because he was a failed starter.”

    So was some guy named Mo and he seems to have made a nice little career in the pen.

    Like most relief pitchers.

  76. EA October 25th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    What about Nardi as a replacement for Eliand?

    He will rave about the pitchers, which should give them confidence, which could translate to success.

  77. Mell October 25th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    “Other FA options are; JJ Putz, Benoit, Downs, all would be much less costly than Wood. Heck, you could get all 3 for the price of Wood”

    Benoit has positioned himself to get some pretty good scratch. For the most part, he was a much better pitcher than Wood this year.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Baseball people know Jeter and A-Rod’s years of being capable defensive players at two very demanding and active infield positions are limited to say the least.

    Since they will be around for four and seven years respectively – the Yankees need to think about what the options are. Left field, right field, DH, etc.

    We looked like an old, tired team at the end of the Texas series. (despite all of Girardi’s resting of players to supposedly keep them fresh for October). I guess burying one’s head in the sand is an option, but I don’t see Cashman doing that.

  79. Jerkface October 25th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Jeter is at times rated the worst defensive SS in the majors. A-rod is still in the middle.

  80. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    I hope this doesn’t mean Wood is necessarily gone, but frankly, listening to Cash with Kay and Francesca ……..I think we’re going to be pretty limited in what we can do this off-season. He raised the point that we aren’t losing any $$$ like we did after 2008 – Mussina, Pavano, etc……I’m sure we’re going after Lee, but there is a definite budget and I can see that if most of our resources are being poured into Jeter/ Mo and potentially Lee that Cash is going to have to cut costs elsewhere. That means no improved BUC (The $2 million he had left last season went to OF help; he chose that over Molina/catcher) and and probably no Wood.

    I really don’t get why the Yankees have relegated Joba to the pen – period. I’m not his biggest fan, but I think it’s foolish to just give up on him. If he’s traded or if he leaves as a FA, some other team will give him another chance as a starter.

    One ? about new pitching coaches………I assume that when pitching coaches stay the same, they talk to their pitchers about what they’d like to see them work on during the off-season. Will a new PC be able to do that? Will the staff be at a disadvantage if the answer is “no”?

  81. BIG AL October 25th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Mell -

    You could offer each 4.5 mil for 3 years, dump Wood, Gaudin, Mitre and Joba.

    Sign Soriano as a part time closer/ EIG, telling him he becomes the closer next season when Mo retires.

  82. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    WCYF-

    The question is how long DJ can hit well enough to stay at SS. Moving him to LF Is a fantasy. The young DJ isn’t coming back.

    ARod could move to RF maybe, or to DH, but if he does anytime in the next four years it will be a very bad development.

  83. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    SJ, I have no idea what happened during Dave’s leave of absence, so yes – it’s a mystery to me as to why he was let go.

    I heard some dopey unnamed “big name” (per Francesca) say that the Yankees will never win again with Alex and Jeter on the left side of the INF. That’s just moronic exaggeration. Jeter was not bad this year – and Alex probably wasn’t healthy. Now if Alex is deteriorating physically, then maybe you wonder if he should have had the hip surgery that Dr. Phillipon didn’t think he needed………..well, I will wonder that at any rate. His health is an issue going forward, clearly.

    I do think the Yankees are old………but that’s not why they lost the ALCS.

  84. Mell October 25th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    “Sign Soriano as a part time closer/ EIG, telling him he becomes the closer next season when Mo retires”

    Soriano is a tough case. He’s going to look to score big this time around. I think his injury history forced him to take the one year deal last year. Having gotten thru the year healthy, and very effective, he’s going to want closer money for at least three years, I would think.

  85. Wave Your Hat October 25th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Wood, Thames, Berkman and Kearns are all gone. They aren’t coming back.

  86. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Randy, from the prior thread, I never thought PC was a glamour position, with no work involved. On the contrary, it requires a heck of a lot of work……..I know Aldred is highly regarded. It’s always a risk to bring in a new PC no matter what…….he’s got to get to know the pitchers, for one. CC and Andy can teach themselves basically, but AJ, Phil, Joba, the younger pitchers…..they need to lean on their PC. It’s going to take awhile for whoever the new PC to get to know them and that is a disadvantage.

  87. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Wave

    Well put.

    Except I’m thinking more of a nightmare than fantasy in Dereks case ;)

  88. CompassRosy October 25th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Fun Rangers trivia:
    ______

    Thanks for that link, YT.
    Some interesting stuff even I (out here in the west) didn’t know.

    Pretty impressive…
    -The Rangers went from first base to third on a single 122 times this season ? 22 more than any other team in baseball.

    -Josh Hamilton hit .359 and reached 40 doubles, 30 home runs and 100 RBI this season. The last man with that combination was Lou Gehrig, 76 years ago.

    -No rookie closer ever had more saves than Neftali Feliz’s 40.

    Kinda fun….
    This is also the fifth World Series in nine years to have a Molina brother ?Bengie (2002 Angels and 2010 Rangers), Jose (2002 Angels and 2009 Yankees) and Yadier (2004 and 2007 Cardinals).

    Would like to forget this one…
    Nelson Cruz had three walk-off home runs this season. He also had a walk-off strikeout, when the third strike got away from Seattle catcher Guillermo Quiroz, whose throwing error allowed in the winning run.

  89. bruceb October 25th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    This team doesn’t just look old…it is old. The problem with the Yankees is that because they sign players at their peak, they always pay top dollar. Then they hand out long-term contracts like confetti and end up with All Stars past their prime. One year ago, we were marvelling at the longevity of the Core Four. Just one year later, we’re questioning whether two or three of them are still of any real value to the team. Signing Cliff Lee to a five-year deal might win us another championship next year but the guy is already 32 and has suffered from back problems in the past. Will he still be the ace he is now at 35 or 36? I know it’s not the Yankee way but I honestly believe they should be investing in a younger pitcher…if there’s one available.

  90. RMS October 25th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    “The question is how long DJ can hit well enough to stay at SS. Moving him to LF Is a fantasy. The young DJ isn’t coming back.

    ARod could move to RF maybe, or to DH, but if he does anytime in the next four years it will be a very bad development.”

    The problem with DJ at SS is his range. His hitting can improve next year but his range won’t.

    Alex has trouble with pop-ups, he will not be in the outfield.

  91. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Now I agree that Joba has to do more to show he wants to be a starter, but for the Yankees to completely slam the door – I don’t get it. They may as well trade him and get something for him……

  92. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Betsy

    Who are the Yankees supposed to push out of the rotation for Joba?

  93. BJK October 25th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    bruceb October 25th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    I know it’s not the Yankee way but I honestly believe they should be investing in a younger pitcher…if there’s one available.

    —————————————————————————–

    That’s the key phrase- “if there’s one available.”

    There isn’t a whole lot of starting pitching out there. The great ones are drafted, developed, and locked up in contracts by their teams that take them into their early 30s.

    There are no mid 20s aces on the free agent market. King Felix could have been the highest paid pitcher ever had he not signed that extension with the Mariners.

  94. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    LGY, I don’t want him in the rotation next year as the pitching is too iffy for that, but they could send him down and try to work his way back………I just do not get giving up on him after 1 bad year starting.

  95. Jason Voorhees October 25th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Speaking of closers…. Brian Wilson hits the market in 2014. If he continues to pitch the way he has he’d be a good long term closer from the age of 32 on if the Yanks don’t have a solid solution by then.

  96. Mell October 25th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    “King Felix could have been the highest paid pitcher ever had he not signed that extension with the Mariners”

    Still might be. He’ll only be 28 in the last year of that contract.

  97. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    joba will never be a regular on this teams rotation….they don’t need a 4 inning SP…the kid is a complete head case

  98. Jerkface October 25th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    -The Rangers went from first base to third on a single 122 times this season ? 22 more than any other team in baseball.

    But not at the greatest frequency. 3+ teams went 1st to third at a greater rate. Texas just had more man on first situations than those other teams.

  99. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Betsy

    Assuming you could even send Joba down which would be extemely difficult to do, if he ever works his way back up who in the future does he displace in the rotation?

    Who replaces him in the bullpen?

  100. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Joba should have been traded before it came to this.

  101. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    so the Yankees could have had Lee for Montero & either Nunez or Nova……if the could have signed him (Lee) I might have done that…

  102. YankFanCA October 25th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Joba’s stock is very low; don’t expect much of anything for him. I’d sell Gardner here; he just doesn’t hit enough. Frankly, this team needs quite a bit and Father Time keeps marching on.

    Cano is honestly the only starter who is on the upswing of his career. Maybe Granderson, but can’t be sure. I honestly recoil at the prospect of Jeter and A-Rod breaking down a bit more each year and having to be stuck with both.

    Enough of this Core Four talk. Their time has come and gone. Time for Cano’s Bros, or something to that effect.

  103. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    It’s unfortunate what has happened with Joba but him along with Hughes and IPK were really the first big time pitching prospects the Yanks had developed a long time. Hopefully the organization learned from any mistakes they could have made with those guys and will monitor Brackman, Betances, and Banuelos accordingly. Wang was great for awhile but he really wasn’t that big of a prospect. There are plenty of things to look at with what went wrong with Joba but he is still only 25. I still have hope.

  104. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    LGY, Andy isn’t going to be around forever, for one. I agree with Tom – if they really think of him as a reliever, then why didn’t they trade him for Dan Haren?

  105. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    YankeFanCA-

    Tex should be on the upswing of his career. He was only 30 this year. He didn’t have his best year but I’m expecting a huge bounceback next year. This is his and Cano’s team now…

  106. pat October 25th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “I just do not get giving up on him after 1 bad year starting.”

    What you call giving up on, I call puting in the position to succeed.

    Whether Joba wants to wrap his head around that and embrace the challenge is the question.

  107. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    No, that’s not the question for me. The question is why the Yankees gave up on Joba as a starter after one year…..I have questions about how good they are at developing pitchers.

  108. Bronx Jeers October 25th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I think they should pick up Nick Johnson’s option to celebrate Halloween. Trick or treat?!!

    This place would go absolutely mental for about 2 weeks.

  109. YankFanCA October 25th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    I see more of the same from Tex. 30 HRs, 100RBIs, ~.260 avg. Good numbers, very good defense, but he’s not on the upswing. He’s also too inconsistent.

  110. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Betsy

    The Yankee farm is stacked at pitcher. Why should they hurt their bullpen at the off chance Joba finds some old magic as a starter when the organization does not even think he is one?

    And Joba would have to clear waivers to even go to the minors. Almost a 100 percent chance Joba would get claimed by someone.

    Maybe they didn’t want to invest the money and years in Haren. Acquiring Haren may have hurt their chance to get Lee while at the same time hurting their bullpen.

    Every year every team in baseball is looking for relief help. People on here want to pay crazy prices in prospects for guys like Soria and money for Wood.

    Why are people at the same time so eager to ship Joba out if they think the bullpen is so important?

    Why aren’t all these relievers people want to acquire being relegated or wasted there?

  111. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I think Tex hits better than .260 next year. He will be around .290 which is right around his career average. 35 Homers, 120 RBI, .290 average. That’s an MVP candidate.

  112. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Tex Cano Swish Granderson and Gardner are all in the prime of their career.

  113. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    No, that’s not the question for me. The question is why the Yankees gave up on Joba as a starter after one year…..I have questions about how good they are at developing pitchers.

    ****************

    Because he is not very good.

  114. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    LGY, I’m putting a wait and see on all these pitchers; I just am not going to assume that even just a few of them will live up to their potential. It’s just darn hard to develop pitching and I’ve learned that. Therefore, I won’t say they are stacked until these kids do it in the majors. I didn’t say Joba had to be a #1, but I think giving up on a pitcher after 1 year is hardly a good precedent to set. He struggled – ok, the vast majority of young pitchers do. I’m not a personal fan of Joba’s so this is not coming out of some great love I have for him, but I don’t believe you just lose your talent and I have to believe it’s in there, somewhere. As to hurting the pen, you could easily have asked why make Phil a starter when he was very good there last year?

  115. YankFanCA October 25th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    This team needs lots of work. The pitching staff especially. To be honest, I think the playoffs are far from a given next year. This team is old and tired and played that way for several months.

    I’m not excited about next year. Maybe I will be come March, but my expectations are pretty low right now. Texas thoroughly dominated them and that shouldn’t have happened. Complacency set in and will be tough to eradicate.

  116. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    West Coast, after 1 year you’d be willing to say that? And fans wonder why the Yankees have developed few starters since Andy……you give a kid 1 year and that’s it. The minute they struggle, that’s it……..well, that’s not a very satisfying way to go about your business.

  117. EA October 25th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    “Tex Cano Swish Granderson and Gardner are all in the prime of their career.”

    Except Tex/Swisher don’t hit in the postseason and we’re still not sold on Gardner.

  118. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    joba can’t handle being a SP and more often the not he he has a problem being a RP..

  119. Doreen October 25th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    If Joba wasn’t Joba, I think people would say he did a decent job this year overall. He had some major bad appearances, but on the whole he was effective in a relief role.

    I was always a proponent of Joba as a starter, but you look at the whole picture and you see a pattern from a particular point A to this point (and for different people point A is different) and I may not know all the facts, but you see a picture developing. It is not necessarily a bad thing for Joba to be a relief pitcher if he makes the most of it. It is a nice job, if you can get it. You know?

  120. YankFanCA October 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    EA — exactly. I also don’t see Swisher duplicating this year’s results. There’s also too much showboat/clown in him. He’s a mini-head case.

  121. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    those are the 3 I would get rid of……joba.. swish and Gardner, problem is what can they bring back

  122. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    I like him alot and he came up very big at the beginning of the year, but Swish is an interesting sell high candidate IMO. He’s come up pretty empty the past 2 playoffs (I know he was battling injuries this year and I love the guys attitude and he’s a gamer) but I wonder what you could get back for him prospect wise. His contract is OK for his production and he’s coming off a couple nice years. It might hurt the clubhouse which is a negative but I wonder if Cash kicks the tires on this a little bit…

  123. YankFanCA October 25th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Joeman — not enough, unfortunately. We may be stuck with some or all of them. I’d be perfectly fine with never seeing Joba throw another pitch in pinstripes. He’s a mess.

  124. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Betsy

    It is not just one year.

    The Yankees evaluate Joba every year and have used those evaluations to make their decision on him.
    I am not sure how Hughes relates to this. He is one of the 5 best starters on the team and there is a clear spot for him in the rotation.

  125. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    YankFanCA October 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    EA — exactly. I also don’t see Swisher duplicating this year’s results. There’s also too much showboat/clown in him. He’s a mini-head case.
    ————————–

    He’s not a mini-head case at all. He’s got a swagger out there but that’s not affecting his performance. I like him and he’s a true gamer but I think this is the peak of his talent right here that we are seeing. Saying he’s a showboat/clown is both foolish and unfair to him. He’s one of the hardest working guys on the team.

  126. G. Love October 25th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    I think whoever becomes the new pitching coach should get one last crack at Joba.

    I feel like his trade value is so depressed right now, we should take one last chance to try to fix him. If it doesn’t work out, so be it.

    Unless there’s some ream willing to take a big risk on him, I would try to get through his thick skull.

    Maybe getting beat up at arbitration this year inspires him?

    That said, I hate players who constantly need the carrot dangled in front of them.

    He’s barely a big member of our pen as it stands. He can’t be counted on for anything. He can’t even be counted on to show up in shape. He looked downright round in the Texas series. He got so big I thought he was Bobby Jenks.

  127. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Joba has started 43 times. He also had the opportunity to compete for a starters job in spring training and failed. The club has to make a decision as to who starts, so who would you have leave off the rotation?

    I could write a page as to why, mound demeanor, velocity,command, etc. He is a very average pitcher.

  128. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    joeman October 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    those are the 3 I would get rid of……joba.. swish and Gardner, problem is what can they bring back
    ————————–

    You realize that is 2/3 of the starting OF right? Who is going to play there next year? Throw 100 milliion each at Crawford and Werth so the payroll next year approaches 300 million?

  129. West Coast Yankee Fan October 25th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Short of some emergency, Joba will never start for this ball club again. Take that to the bank.

  130. jg29 October 25th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Very interesting article from a seattle writer i read today. He says the same as we all knew. When seattle found out that the kid adams was hurt seattle asked for either nova or nunez with montero for lee. Clueless cashman said no and then seattle began shopping him around again. The yankees could have had lee regardless of smoak being put in the deal by texas so cashman should fire himself. the guy is an over rated GM. Give me blank checks and i could sign CC, Tex and Burnett. Last years signings were horrible and hes made several questionable deals in the past. Hes the reason the yanks are out.Not making that deal because of nunez or nova??? what a joke he is.

  131. LGY October 25th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Cash has repeatedly said postseason performances do not influence his decision making.

    While some on here are not sold on Gardner, I am for example, Cash and Joe think very highly of him and that is the only opinion that matters.

  132. joeman October 25th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    # YankFanCA October 25th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Joeman — not enough, unfortunately. We may be stuck with some or all of them. I’d be perfectly fine with never seeing Joba throw another pitch in pinstripes. He’s a mess.
    ——————————————————————–
    know a couple of guys that went to school with joba in Neb and they saw him pitch a lot, they also said he was a head case in school but got by because he was so much better than players he was playing against at that time

  133. Jerkface October 25th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Joba as a starter pitched 220 innings with a cumulative ERA of 4.18. Which is better than Hughes current Career ERA.

  134. yanks 27 October 25th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    “I’m not excited about next year. Maybe I will be come March, but my expectations are pretty low right now. Texas thoroughly dominated them and that shouldn’t have happened. Complacency set in and will be tough to eradicate.”

    As long as they are old and slow at 3 key positions – SS, 3B, and C, it will be like that.

    How much different is the lineup going to look next year, aside from a rookie Montero getting some time at C? Except they will be 1 yr older and slower. With key players who have been below average postseason performers – Garnder, Swisher, Tex, etc.

    We have to win with pitching next year if we’re going to win at all.

  135. Mell October 25th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    “Cash has repeatedly said postseason performances do not influence his decision making.”

    Somewhere, Nick Swisher issues a sigh of relief.

  136. Wang IS Taiwan October 25th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    I’m glad Eiland is gone. I hated the way he blamed Wang for his troubles when it was the organization that told Wang not to work on his legs which ultimately led to overworking the shoulder. That whole situation was so poorly handled.

  137. tipsie October 25th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Joba’s true value is as a starter. However, NYY will not exhibit the required patience for both him and Hughes. I think he’s gone if they can fetch something decent for him.

    Even a two year, $15M (eg after declining the option) to re-up Wood is probably too steep for Cashman. We all remember the multi-year Farnsworth, Karsay deals. I think he’s gone. I think, however, he pitched over his head for us. I was thankful, to be sure, but was always waiting for the wildness to show. We were lucky that for the most part, it didn’t.

    Also, go to Cot’s site. There are TONS of decent middle relievers out there. Start with Robertson, Logan, Joba (if he’s back), Aceves if healthy, even Albaladejo. Then add a veteran or two for a one year deal. Middle relief is fairly low priority. These guys rarely repeat their performances, good or bad, year to year. You can nab next year’s Wood at the end of July.

    Anyone notice how Javy Lopez (and to a lesser extent Ramon Ramirez) are throwing lights out for the Giants? It was the part of the NLDS & NLCS that made me chuckle most, knowing that these BoSox retreads were excelling elsehwhere.

  138. Tom in N.J. October 25th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    With the exception of his awful ’08 season, Swisher has been very consistant over 4 out of the last 5 years, OPS-wise at least.

    ’06-.864 OPS
    ’07-.836 OPS
    ’08-.743 OPS
    ’09-.869 OPS
    ’10-.870 OPS

  139. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Joba actually had pretty good results as a starter. His ERA was very respectable for a 24 year old in the AL East. I think the most discouraging thing was how he wasn’t going deep in games and his velocity was so inconsistent. But pure results wise (and the Yanks did have a quick hook on him lots of times) he actually was pretty decent.

  140. Mell October 25th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    “Joba as a starter pitched 220 innings with a cumulative ERA of 4.18. Which is better than Hughes current Career ERA”

    Has Hughes averaged better than Joba’s 15 outs per start?

  141. D-Man October 25th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Are they going to exile Bretances, Backman, Banolues to the pen if they have a rough rookie year as a starter?

  142. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Tom-

    I like Swish alot. He’s just an interesting sell high option IMO. Don’t know what the other options out there are (not a fan of throwing 100 million at Crawford) but I do wonder what he would bring back in a trade.

  143. randy l. October 25th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    jerkface-

    why couldn’t joba come back as a starter? the guys got talent.

    players hit points in their career where they have meetings with themselves… or they don’t.

    it’s really up to joba.

  144. Wang IS Taiwan October 25th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    I certainly hope that Granderson is not trade bait this winter. I see him as a bona fide Yankee.

    Swish? I wouldn’t mind seeing him go if sthg of value could be obtained in return.

    It sounds like the organization believes Joba needs new scenery.

  145. EA October 25th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Tyler,

    Well, there’s not much else they can do, as far as moving players. Swish is an obvious choice if they do decide to shake things up. Really, the OF is the only place they can make changes.

  146. Wang IS Taiwan October 25th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    G.Love,

    My reaction exactly when I saw the size of Joba — one big, round tub.

  147. elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    I know alot of people will boo me for this but willing to take a gamble.

    I would like to see the yanks kick the tires on Joe Saunders…raised in Va. Locked up thru 2013 and leftys tend to get better with age.

  148. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    I know alot of people will boo me for this but willing to take a gamble.

    I would like to see the yanks kick the tires on Joe Saunders…raised in Va. Locked up thru 2013 and leftys tend to get better with age.
    ———————–

    IMO, that is definitely more reasonable than getting Greinke or Brett Anderson…

  149. MTU October 25th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Randy-

    Time to take Joba for a few trips into the Grand Canyon.

    How have you been faring ? :)

  150. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    LGY, you were the one who asked why the Yankees would hurt their pen by removing Joba and making him a starter. That’s how Phil comes into this – because removing him from their pen hurt the pen.

    Tyler, I’ve thought the same about Swish………I like him a lot, but maybe we need a different type of player in the post-season and he’s one of the few tradable commodities. That said, he’s not going to bring you back much. I’d rather trade Gardner because I’m not a huge fan……………but then again, I don’t love Crawford, so I guess I’d have to stay as is.

    The Yankees really need to restock their farm system with position players – except for Montero and the catchers, there is nothing that is at all close

  151. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Swisher and Nova for Jonathan Sanchez of the Giants.

    Boom!

  152. elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    4 plus era for career and 5 plus era in postseason but he has a 16 and 17 win season on his resume. Just a thought, I would like him in the back end of the rotation.

    I think Towers is the new gm out there.

  153. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    I don’t really like how Joba pitched last year, but you don’t give up on a pitcher after 1 year – that’s crappy pitching development. They could have given Joba another shot this year – and told Phil to cool his heels.

  154. Betsy October 25th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    What does Saunders being raised in Virginia have to do with anything? He’s not that good anyway and he’d get smoked in the East.

  155. Tyler October 25th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    Swisher and Nova for Jonathan Sanchez of the Giants.

    Boom!
    —————————

    As a guy who wanted Sanchez 3-4 years ago when he was in the bullpen and had horrible control, I would celebrate this trade. Unfortunately, the Giants GM will have to be LSD to make this trade.

  156. elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Swisher is 0 for 27 with risp the last 2 postseasons. But Cashman has talked about Tino being bad in playoffs? I remember him getting a few rbis in the playoffs plus 2 big hrs.

  157. Red Lobster October 25th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Granderson is going nowhere

    A. He is a true Yankee
    B. He actually hits in the postseason unlike most of the team

    Swish has hit under .200 in the postseason as a Yankee. Him and Gardner are expendable. A RH hitter would be preferable.

  158. RMS October 25th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    If Joba starts, it won’t be with the Yankees.

    ———————————

    Alex, DJ and Posada are the only old regulars and Posada will not catch that much next year.

  159. Mell October 25th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    “Swish? I wouldn’t mind seeing him go if sthg of value could be obtained in return.”

    What would constitute value? Team who would get him is looking at either $10M for a year or just under $20M for two. He’s a complimentary player rather than a difference maker. His October disappearances aside, he fits in quite nicely with this team. Not sure how much value he’d have elsewhere.

  160. DocTodd October 25th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I’d like to see Nick Whiffer get traded…

  161. elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Betsy-
    You are probably right on Saunders. Just looking at rosters and seeing where a starter would be available by trade.
    Living in the DFW area i am just overwhelmed with Ranger talk and how the Rangers are going to resign Lee.
    These folks are killing me down here.

  162. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    As a guy who wanted Sanchez 3-4 years ago when he was in the bullpen and had horrible control, I would celebrate this trade. Unfortunately, the Giants GM will have to be LSD to make this trade.
    ——————–
    Uh… then… Swisher + NOva + LSD + one original copy of ‘One flew over cuckoo’s nest’ for Jonathan Sanchez…

    I think he almost got traded for Corey Hart of all ppl when the Giants were desperately in need of offense around the deadline. Have Brewers kicked any ancillary piece like Nova, I am pretty sure Sabean would have done the deal. Anywho, I think he is available given Giants starting pitching depth.

  163. elijahandstephensdad October 25th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Anybody see Nova as a good set up man. Basing that clearly on fact he seemed to be so good 1st time thru order?

  164. Cashmoney October 25th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Anybody see Nova as a good set up man. Basing that clearly on fact he seemed to be so good 1st time thru order?
    ————
    I see him as a starter. The most likely scenario for Nova is becomig a spot starter/ long man next year. He has issues with pitching out of the stretch and runners on bases in the little I have seen him. So no. Not yet.

  165. RadioKev October 25th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Who the hell wants Sanchez? He’s waiting to be the next AJ Burnett.

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