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Report: Sabathia to undergo knee surgery

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Oct 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

If you’re a Yankees fan, today was already shaping up to be a not particularly pleasant one, as I wrote for my column in the paper. But then comes news in this morning’s New York Post that CC Sabathia has been diagnosed with a minor meniscus tear in his right knee and is expected to undergo surgery in the near future.

This seems to be a case of the headline being worse than the actual story; this kind of surgery is relatively minor and the Yankees, according to the report, expect Sabathia to recover quickly and be ready for spring training without issue. Still, it’s a) worrisome because any surgery is still a somewhat big deal; and b) perhaps some type of explanation for why Sabathia was less-than-impressive for much of the postseason.

It’s also worth noting that the concerns the Yankees (and everyone else) have always had with Sabathia are his workload and his body type – two things that are both pretty big. However small a procedure, there’s no denying that Sabathia will now be putting the stress of a 300-pound body on a surgically-repaired knee for a ton of innings, a combination that certainly isn’t ideal.

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96 Responses to “Report: Sabathia to undergo knee surgery”

  1. blackaccord October 27th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    This is rubbing salt to the wound…Hopefully he will be the same and we don’t have to worry.. Otherwise this will turn out to be the 2002-2008 all over again.. :(

  2. Wang IS Taiwan October 27th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Geez,

    What additional secret injuries are going to come out in the next few days? This is NOT good.

  3. MTU October 27th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Calm yourselves.

    This is very minor.

    It happens to people in all walks of life, and with all body types.

    It’s no sweat at all. On an injury scale of 1-10 it’s towards the bottom.

    He’ll be 100% by ST.

  4. Doreen October 27th, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Sabathia wasn’t as sharp as usual in September either.

  5. Doreen October 27th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    MTU -

    Not worried about it going forward.

    Just another “what the….” moment at the end of this season. :)

  6. MTU October 27th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Doreen-

    yes. I understand your POV. The timing was all bad for the Yanks this season.

    That just means it will be perfect next year, right. ;)

  7. Erin October 27th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Poor CC. :(

    Glad to hear it’s a minor procedure though.

  8. RadioKev October 27th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    I doubt the Yankees were keeping this under wraps. CC is amongst their biggest investments, and they wouldn’t put him in danger of further injury.

  9. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    It is a minor procedure, I had a torn meniscus repaired and was back to running in less than a month.

    MTU
    Have a great hike. Hope you got my email.
    One of these days I am going to follow your photo directions and you will see who really has the cutest dog :)

  10. MTU October 27th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Kate-

    Thanks.

    Yes I did. It’s on it’s way.

    As far as the photos go. Promises. Promises.

    :)

  11. JM October 27th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    It definitely is a minor procedure but it sure could explain why CC was not as effective.

    My bf had this surgery in July and was back at work in a month. Before that, though, he was in a lot of pain and had some difficulty putting weight on his leg. So I would imagine if this happened a month or so ago, or even in September, CC was having some pain out on the mound.

  12. tk October 27th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    It’s pretty impressive that the Yankees won 95 games (in the toughest division in the majors) and made it to Game 6 of the ALCS despite:

    Cervelli playing 93 games

    Texieria having what was easily his worst non-rookie season

    Jeter posting the worst season of his career (arguably the 2nd time in 3 years)

    A-Rod having his worst season since ’97 (sophomore season) & hitting over 100 points below is career OPS

    Brett Gardner posting a sub-.700 OPS in the 2nd half

    Granderson posting a .718 OPS in the first half (.861 in 2nd half!)

    They also got nothing from Nick Johnson, Marte, Park, or Aceves.

    Burnett/Vazquez combined for 344IP with an ERA over 5.25

    Obviously everything didn’t go wrong. But after thriving despite all of these shortcomings, it’s exciting to think about a 2011 team that could be even more talented with the possible additions of Cliff Lee & Jesus Montero.

  13. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    CC, Andy, Mo, all pitching w/ injuries we didn’t even know about, and all w/o complaints.
    I don’t understand how people think this team had no heart/guts/desire.
    Lack of results certainly doesn’t equal lack of effort…and despite all the injuries they were 2 games away from the WS.

  14. JCPD October 27th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    I don’t understand how people think this team had no heart/guts/desire.

    ————————————————————————————————

    It’s simple kate, they didn’t win = no heart. Let’s face it, the world is full of idiots and a lot of them happen to be Yankee fans.

  15. Erin October 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    JCPD-that about sums it up. LOL

  16. Vineyard Yankee October 27th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Rangers or Yankees ?

    After the Rangers clinched the pennant with a Game 6 win against the Yankees, Lee was mobbed by reporters on the field, even though he did not pitch. He was scheduled for a potential Game 7. No matter, he was the one everyone wanted.

    The main line of questioning: With a pennant in hand, will he turn his back on the Yankees and other deep-pocketed clubs come free agency this offseason?

    “I love this city,” Lee says. “I love my teammates. It’s going to be a good team for years to come. For my family, this couldn’t be a better situation.

    “Free agency is when a player finally gets a choice, and I’m looking forward to that. There are so many things that can happen. I’m just more focused on helping this team win a World Series.”

    Then came the words that the Rangers will hang onto.

    “If we do that,” Lee says, “it would be hard to walk away.”

    It has been long assumed that Lee, who is earning $9.6 million this season, would end up a Yankee, given that they spent $243.5 million on two starters the last time they failed to reach the World Series in 2008. Those two starters now are ready to recruit him: CC Sabathia is one of Lee’s best friends and a former teammate in Cleveland, and A.J. Burnett is another Arkansas native, who like Lee, is a client of agent Darek Braunecker.

    Yet, Lee and Kristen say, the Dallas-Fort Worth area feels like home to their family, which includes daughter Maci, 7. They are just a 40-minute flight from their hometown of Benton, Ark.; they are moving into a restored 1927 house in Little Rock this winter.

    They attended the same middle and high schools, and their families and friends still live there.

    “That’s the greatest thing, being so close to home,” says Kristen, who says she is superstitious and refuses to answer her phone when Lee pitches.

    “Cliff can fit in anywhere, but it makes my life a lot easier. We’ve never had a short commute before. Having a direct flight from Little Rock is great.”

    Says Greenberg, whose ownership group took over the team in August after winning an auction in U.S. bankruptcy court: “We think we have things to offer from a lifestyle standpoint that are enormous advantages.

    “We can’t control what the Yankees or any other club chooses to offer. We know we’re going to have to be aggressive financially.

    “We’re not going into this with a pea shooter. The old Rangers are gone.”

    Perhaps the Rangers’ greatest sales pitch simply was having Kristen sit in the visiting family section at Yankee Stadium during the playoffs. She says there were ugly taunts. Obscenities. Cups of beer thrown. Even fans spitting from the section above.

    “The fans did not do good things in my heart,” Kristen says.

    “When people are staring at you, and saying horrible things, it’s hard not to take it personal.”

    Who knows if the fans’ behavior will have any affect on Lee’s decision. Nothing ever unravels him, Kristen says, unless something interferes with him during deer hunting season, which starts Nov. 13 in Arkansas. Free agency can wait a little longer.

    “Everyone in Arkansas thinks the world of him,” says family friend Larry Crain, 69. “Little Rock has historically been Cardinals territory. But you see more and more Rangers fans now. They’re even wearing his jersey.”

    When the Rangers’ flight arrived in Dallas after they beat Tampa Bay in the Division Series, more than 1,000 fans waited at the airport, chanting Lee’s name.

    Now, besides asking Lee to help them win a World Series, they’ll soon issue a formal request, asking he stay for the next five or six years.

    “We don’t want him going anywhere,” second baseman Ian Kinsler says. “In the offseason, I’m probably going to call his phone, oh, a couple of hundred times.

    “Yeah, he’s been a nice pick-up.”

    ***
    From USA Today

  17. blake October 27th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Tk,

    Very true. Things just didn’t work out this year. For them to win 95 games and make it to game 6 of the ALCS really is a testiment to how much talent they have. With better health they should be better next year even without Cliff Lee….but with him they could be special.

  18. Rich in NJ October 27th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Thin, well-built people get meniscus tears too.

  19. pat October 27th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    “They are just a 40-minute flight from their hometown of Benton, Ark.; they are moving into a restored 1927 house in Little Rock this winter.”

    If they are planning on making Little Rock their primary residence no matter where he plays, the no state tax in Texas becomes a pretty insignificant issue.

  20. blake October 27th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    I think Cashman will be willing to make bold moves to improve the team this offseason regardless of whether they sign Lee.

  21. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    can’t wait for the WS to start…sooooooooooooooo tired of all the stories about Cliff Lee……

  22. pat October 27th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Kate

    The real Cliff Lee stories don’t end when the series is over. That’s when they begin.

  23. Vineyard Yankee October 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Although the surgery for CC is deemed minor, as with any surgery to your knees, hip, ankle, foot etc. I hope the Yankees discuss CC’s weight with him. They have a huge investment in him and as time moves forward the weight will become more of a problem for him.

    For his own health and well being I hope the Yankees talk to him and get him on a conditioning program that leads to him dropping some of the excess weight. Down the road it will only make things better for him.

  24. blake October 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Im not saying the Lees are being disingenuous but I think you have to take those comments with some salt. One, they aren’t going to say anything to portray they are leaving a team that is headed to the WS….and two those comments can do nothing but increase the price the Yankees would have to pay to sign him. Its good business to get doubt out there…..the more the Yankees worry about him staying in Texas, the more they may be willing to bid. As SJ said yesterday….they ultimately are going to have to convince Lee they can both pay him what he wants and keep that team together and competitive over the life of his contract. To do that they are going to have to be willing and capable of essentially becoming a big market type franchise with a big payroll.

  25. Shame Spencer October 27th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    So.. I guess I’m rooting for the Giants?

  26. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    and Cliffy was quick to say a few unruly NY fans did not change anything for him

  27. blake October 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    This just shows what a stud CC really is. Everyone could tell he just didn’t look right in the postseason….his command was off and the issue with his landing knee we now know likely contributed to that. Still the Yankees won all three of his starts…..

  28. pat October 27th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    A 300 lb. guy who can pitch 8 innings in 90 + degree heat might be the most conditioned guy on the field.

  29. Wang IS Taiwan October 27th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    I hope that the Yanks get CC some real help next season. He can’t possibly carry such a heavy load year and year and not break down long before his time.

  30. Fran the original October 27th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Heard from Trisha. She is still in a state of disbelief. She asked me to thank you for your kind words, thoughts and prayers. They have meant a lot to her and she said that she has cried endless tears this week, but mixed in with the tears of sorrow have been tears of appreciation for your caring.

    By the way, if anyone is still interested in entering your predicitions on Trisha’s World Series chart, you have until 7PM tonight. Post your guess on the blog, and I will pick them up.

  31. Erin October 27th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am
    and Cliffy was quick to say a few unruly NY fans did not change anything for him

    *****************************
    kate, that reminds me- as much as Girardi loves nickames, I really hope he can come up with something better than “Cliffy”. Ugh. ;)

  32. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    to be fair, the Yankees thought they had a great rotation at the beginning of last season. Phil, if any of them, was the question mark, and he did a great job.

  33. Tom in N.J. October 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Leelee?

  34. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    thanks Fran
    I hope she comes back soon

  35. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Wow, this is worrisome……………holy cow.

  36. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Leelee sounds like a panda…and there already is a panda out there!

  37. Bret The Hitman October 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    blake October 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    and two those comments can do nothing but increase the price the Yankees would have to pay to sign him.

    ****************

    That’s assuming the Lee’s want to leave Texas for NY. If you assume the opposite – that the Lee’s really do love Texas – these comments make it more likely that the Yankees BID more which increases the price Texas will have to pay to retain him.

    If the Yankees open with a bid that attempts to buy Lee from his happy home in Texas, the Rangers must stay as close to that number as possible.

    It could be that Lee is using the Yankees as a price driver.

    You can’t assume either way.

    It’s arrogant for any of us to spend the whole off season talking like Cliff Lee coming to NYY is inevitable.

    It’s really not.

  38. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    How on earth did CC hurt his knee? It doesn’t even matter – wow; not exactly what I wanted to hear.

    I’ll be rooting hard for the Giants as I think Lee absolutely will not leave if TX wins and he probably won’t anyway. He’s going to get a ton of $$$ from TX and they clearly love it and are comfortable there; why would he want to up and shlep to NY, a place his wife is not exactly enamored with?

  39. tk October 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    blake,

    I agree, the 2011 Yankees could be spectacular. I like the way Cashman looks to build the team each year. You look at the talent going in and know that if things go right they will likely win the World Series. As we all know, that type of good fortune is the exception. Fortunately, the team (and organization as a whole) has reached the point where it has enough depth to withstand various injuries/underperformances and still compete at a high level. Adding Lee and retaining Pettitte would allow the Yankees a great deal of flexibilty with the #5 spot and the bullpen while offsetting some of the age-related risk associated with the lineup. I don’t expect a significant decline from Jeter/A-Rod/Posada over the next year or two, but fortunately the Yankees shouldn’t be in a position where they need those guys to perform like ’09 either.

  40. Erin October 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Tom in N.J. October 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am
    Leelee?

    ************************
    Anything is better than Cliffy. LOL

  41. Shame Spencer October 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Thanks for the update Fran, and also thanks for sending her our thoughts and well wishes. I wanted to send her a note privately but I know the blog has been under some fire lately about exposing email and personal info, but if there’s any way I could go about it in a way that wouldn’t be creepy I’m open to suggestion.

    I’m also gonna go ahead and guess Giants in 6. Does anyone think if the Rangers win the WS that would impact the Lee situation? I’m not sure it matters, but I could see some arguments being made on both sides which would be valid.

  42. Erin October 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Fran-thanks for the update on Trisha.

  43. Bob October 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    If Yanks can’t get Lee then Cashman certainly has a few good trade pieces if another team would be willing to deal a good young pitcher. Marlins and Josh Johnson?

  44. Jacques Strappe October 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Not concerned about CC’s knees, assuming it actually is a minor thing of course.
    He didn’t appear to be hobbled though this news does explain his so-so post season.

    Not concerned … CC will be CC again next year.
    Not concerned about Hughes next year either.
    A little concerned about Lee staying in Texas though.
    And Pettitte not coming back for just one more year. Again.
    A lot more concerned about Good AJ handing Bad AJ his spot in the rotation.

  45. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    This team needs Lee badly……if he doesn’t sign here, then I will start regretting the non-deal.

  46. blake October 27th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Brett,

    It works both ways….either way those comments could lead to Cliff making more money. What we don’t know yet is who will be paying it. The Yankees will make sure that if Texas gets him then it will either be for a boatload or because Lee gave them a significant discount. Lee has given no indication that he’s in to giving discounts….in fact that’s why he’s in Texas now instead of Philly….Halladay was willing to discuss extention at a reduced fee and Lee wasn’t.

  47. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Blake, what bold moves do you think Cash can make? He really can’t – this team is basically all set. You’d have to trade Swish or Gardner……….or truly offer a king’s ransom for some very good SP. Where are the bold moves coming from?

  48. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    No surgery is minor…………

  49. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Vineyard, I disagree – the Yankees don’t need to discuss weight with CC, he’s fine. The man is a big man – people forget that. He’s not obese, he’s not fat – he’s just a huge guy. He’s not Randy Johnson in terms of body type – Randy was tall and lanky. CC is rounder – that’s his body type and it’s not going to change. I refuse to read the Post article because I have no desire to see some clown reporter use it to tear into CC

  50. blake October 27th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    I really don’t think josh johnson or felix hernanez is happening unless cashman is willing to part with Robbie cano+ more…..I think that’s about the only offer the Yankees could make that would interest either of those teams and that’s obviously not happening.

  51. upstate kate October 27th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Betsy
    while any surgery carries risks, this truly is minor surgery. I, along w/ 3 friends just off the top of my head, have had this procedure done. All of us w/ quick recoveries. And yes, none of us are pro athletes, but all of us are quite active

  52. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Blake, I’m not a cynical person – I do not think in any way that the Lees’ recent comments have anything to do with trying to possibly squeeze more $$ from the Yankees. If that were the case, why did Lee’s agent and Lee himself do spin control?

    No, there was no reason to come right out and say how much they love TX; a few weeks earlier, Lee had made a comment along the lines of ” I could see myself staying here”. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. He could have said the same thing OR he could have said nothing. Instead he’s gushing over TX. No decent husband would move to a place where his wife is obviously not happy being ……so even if Lee loves NY, his wife clearly does not.

  53. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Kate, you’re not a professional athlete, though…………..it’s not great news no matter how you slice it. It’s something to keep an eye on.

  54. Tarheel In NYC October 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Fran,

    Thank you for the update from Trish and for being our messenger :)

  55. Shame Spencer October 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Not getting Lee might hurt but the idea that we can’t make some creative trades is a bit extreme, isnt it?

    Assuming we did have to trade some outfield pieces, I hear there are a couple of good ones on the free agent market we could pick up to replace them.. I really have no idea what Cash is going to get done this off season, but I’m just throwing that out there.

  56. Vineyard Yankee October 27th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    upstate kate
    October 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    ‘and Cliffy was quick to say a few unruly NY fans did not change anything for him’

    =====================

    I would think that his agent had something to do with quelling the controversy about the NY Fans. His wife may have had a bad experience, except in the long run it only would hurt his bargaining position in free agency by eliminating the Yankees due to the fan issue.

  57. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Lee’s comments were complete spin………….he and his agents

  58. vinny-b October 27th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Alderson the new GM. Good or bad for the Mets?

    2 weeks ago, had kinda expected them to at least interview Daniels…

  59. blake October 27th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Betsy, im not sure to be honest. We will just have to see how it all plays out but I.do think cashman will work hard to improve the team this winter….pitching is the primary objective but if that doesn’t work he may shift gears and attempt to upgrade in other areas…..I just don’t see him sitting on his hands.

  60. Shame Spencer October 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Betsy – Two seasons ago we were told every single day but countless bloggers, journalists, media heads, fans, etc that CC Sabathia wanted to play on the west coast and close to home. We heard this everyday. Every. Single. Day. It was like a never ending trope that summer.

    You can’t believe what people say when millions of dollars are on the line. I’m sure he meant every word of what he said actually, but at no point has he said “I’m staying.” And thats really all any of us need to know right now.

  61. Shame Spencer October 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    ouch.. by*

  62. vinny-b October 27th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Fran:

    haven’t been on the site. Is Trisha ok?

  63. blake October 27th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Betsy, to keep options and doors open. More options equals more money. …anyway im sure he is just trying to keep the focus on the field right now…..he’s pitching a pretty big game tonight.

  64. Jacques Strappe October 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Next year’s rotation to include Sabathia, Lee, Pettitte, Good AJ and Hughes?
    Next year’s OF group to include Granderson, Crawford, Swisher & Gardner?
    Next year’s IF to include A-Rod, Jeter, Cano, Tiexiera?
    Next year’s bullpen to include …. Mo and ????
    Next year’s bench to include … ???

  65. Bret The Hitman October 27th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    This is what mercenaries do.

    They gush about their current teams.

    They express specific concerns over wealthy suitors.

    It’s all planned.

    It’s all part of the game.

    The question is whether these antics are intended to use the Yankees as a price driver or use the comments to extort more money out of the Yankees.

    Either way, the Yankees are being used.

    This is no different than Carl-polooza.

  66. raymagnetic October 27th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Cliff Lee non-Yankee = Yankee Doom.

    I mean how will they ever win a ring without Cliff Lee?

    I am quite amazed they managed to win a ring without Cliff Lee a year ago.

  67. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Blake, I guess my point is that there aren’t a lot of moves Cash can make without having to totally overhaul the team or ravaging the farm system; that’s what happens when most of your lineup is locked up to very long contracts. There needs to be a backup plan for no-Lee, but to be honest, there isn’t any – this offseason almost completely depends on signing him.

  68. Fran the original October 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    vinny-b,
    Trisha is doing as well as can be expected. It was very sudden and unexpected.

    Shame,
    If you want you can email Chad for my email address. You can send me the email and I’ll forward it to Trisha. You understand that I don’t want to give out her email address.

  69. vinny-b October 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    “I am quite amazed they managed to win a ring without Cliff Lee a year ago”
    ———————————————-

    yes. And the 26 championships before. Playin along…

  70. vinny-b October 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    thanks Fran. What i mean is, what happened?

  71. Betsy October 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Shame, CC and Lee are not the same people. I don’t believe in analogies like this because it assumes they have the same motivations, etc… We have no choice but to sit back and watch it unfold, but I’m going to assume he’s not coming here………….I’m also going to root for a very quick WS and for the Giants to win (though I think the Rangers are a better team)

  72. blake October 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    The Yankees and Rangers and other teams will all be used…..its a bidding war. The Yankees will likely place the highest bid….it will all be up to what Lee chooses to do but there is a good chance that if he decides to stay in Texas then it will be for less money IMO. The Rangers will have the resources to place a high bid but I doubt they can go where the Yanks can if they truly decide to go all in for him.

  73. JS October 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Do you guys honestly believe that we will need a MAJOR overhaul without Cliff Lee?

    I think our lineup is in better shape than most, and the team only needs minor tweaking.

  74. vinny-b October 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Rangers in 4

  75. Fran the original October 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    vinny-b, Trisha’s brother passed away on Monday.

  76. Bret The Hitman October 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    I’d rather Cashman get aggressive and try to pry away Justin Verlander.

    Some say Detroit isn’t ready to rebuild and that the division is wide open.

    I’d say the Twins own that division (especially if they trade for Greinke) because they won it easily without their closer and MVP 1st baseman.

    I’d argue that by trading away Granderson, the Tigers have already begun a rebuilding process. They can stay competitive by bringing in high end near ML ready talent. If they’re smart, they can lower payroll while remaining competitive and drawing fans.

    As long as they have M. Cabrera, they will sell tickets.

    Verlander is owed 20 million per season, 3 consecutive seasons after 2011.

    If they traded him, they could stay competitive.

    They didn’t really lose a step by bringing in Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and pitching for Granderson.

    At the very least, it’s clear that they’ve combed our farm system and like our prospects. It helps our relationship and rapport that the players we sent have produced for them.

  77. Doreen October 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Fran -

    Thanks.

    ***

    “Cliffy” reminds me of the “Cheers” character – ugh! But you know – KNOW – that’s what “Joey” will call him. :?

    ***

    I’m rooting for the Giants tonight. And I hope Cliff Lee has a very ordinary start.

  78. tk October 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    “No decent husband would move to a place where his wife is obviously not happy being ??so even if Lee loves NY, his wife clearly does not.”

    It’s obvious she enjoyed the proximity to Arkansas, but that’s coming after being in Seattle. They’ve also moved quite a bit recently, so settling in somewhere, regardless of where, is probably desirable. I imagine Mrs. Lee was asked specific questions about her experience sitting in the stands at Yankee Stadium and the quotes we read were only a portion of her answers to those specific questions. I wouldn’t extrapolate that specific instance to represent her entire feelings on the entire NY experience. During the offseason the Lee’s can stay in Arkansas regardless of his team. During the season he will be on the road half the time regardless of his team. Like SJ pointed out, they would still only be about a 2 hour jet ride from Arkansas instead of 40 minutes. When Cliff Lee signs a contract this offseason it will provide the primary source of wealth for his family, and likely his children’s families, for ~6 years of work. That’s a relatively short window for him to earn as much as possible and achieve his professional goals. Personally, I don’t think one isolated experience will influence their decision at all. The proximity/lifestyle factors may very well come into play, but I don’t think the article revealed anything new there. I’m much more encouraged by the details of the Greenberg/Ryan financing than I’m discouraged by Mrs. Lee seeing the idiocy of some drunken Yankee fans.

  79. vinny-b October 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Fran:

    thank you. If you talk to her, please let Trisha know my prayers are with her and her family.

  80. pat October 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Ravage the farm system?

    Farm systems are built to help the big team.

    That includes trading minor leaguers for needed talent.

    The Yankees will be fine no matter if they need to move a few pieces for a pitcher.

  81. Fran the original October 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    I’m rooting for the Giants tonight. And I hope Cliff Lee has a very ordinary start.
    *******************
    Doreen,

    I hope he gets knocked out in the 1st inning :)

  82. Bring in the Goose October 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Betsy says:
    October 27, 2010 at 9:55 am
    Wow, this is worrisome……………holy cow.
    ———
    You can’t predict the weather, and as we know you can’t predict baseball.

    But you could’ve predicted this reaction.

  83. Gary October 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    The wife of left-handed pitcher Cliff Lee(notes) was among family members of Texas Rangers players subjected to obscenities and taunts during the American League championship series at Yankee Stadium.

    Kristen Lee said fans even were spitting at them from above.

    —————————————————————————————————————-
    Nice way to welcome a prospective FA’s family to the Bronx. I’m sure they left with a good feeling/impression after the game. Never surprises me I guess what the aimals at YS or other venues. The jerks just make it bad for the rest of the sports oriented responsible fans.

  84. pat October 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    ?No decent husband would move to a place where his wife is obviously not happy being”

    Decent husbands do this everyday in much worse places than NYC.

  85. Shame Spencer October 27th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Betsy, I understand. No two situations or people are the same. However, in situations such as this, the script always seems to play out pretty similarly. Its a lot of talk back and forth about how guys (usually) don’t want to come to NY. Too much pressure. Too far from the family. Too much media attention/obligation. Too much traffic. Etc.

    Personally, never in a million years did I see us signing Mike Mussina. Seemed like the definition of an ‘anti-New York’ guy. I think people just get too caught up in what people say to the press when these negotiations are going on (even though in this case they havent even begun). I think at the end of the day the Yanks will sign him. If not, I don’t worry about the moves Cash will make. Yes, it wouldnt put him in the best position but he can basically trade our entire outfield if he wanted to, so there are still options even if we don’t all like them very much.

  86. Erin October 27th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    New Post: The day that’s tough to swallow

    :arrow:

  87. Jacques Strappe October 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Yanks have won the world series w/o Cliff Lee on the team in the past.
    Yanks even won the world series against Cliff Lee’s team last year.
    They will probably win more world series after Cliff Lee retires.
    In the meantime it will be more favorable if Cliff Lee is on the Yanks,
    but they’ll still be able to win if he does play elsewhere.
    Cliff Lee’s team doesn’t win the world series every year.
    If they do win this year, wouldn’t it be the first time for him to be on a world series winner?
    Cleveland didn’t win it all with Sabathia and Lee on the same team.
    Does that mean NY also would not if he were to play here?
    I think not.
    Think not in such pessimistic absolutes, or in black & white terms.

  88. Vineyard Yankee October 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Betsy:

    I never said that CC was fat or obese, yes, he is a large man. Most people in excess of 300 lbs would be better off losing some weight. The health risks of heart disease, diabetes etc. are alot greater when your weight is higher. As he gets older the risks increase. If he got down to say 270 / 280 he probably would feel better with less stress on his knees, ankles, hips etc. Just want CC to continue to be a stud, healthy guy who performs at an optimum level for years to come.

  89. austinmac October 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    I am no professional athlete, but I had surgery for a torn meniscus 15 years ago and I can’t remember which knee it was on. While there is a short period of recovery and restrengthening, it really is no big deal.

  90. longtimefan October 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Hopefully this turns out to be minor for CC, but being a big guy in the area of 300 lbs + or-,
    bringing all that weight down time after time when pitching is something to be concerned about. Do we need Cliff Lee, it would be nice but will be pricey. Starting 2011 with a recovering CC, a very questionable AJ, maybe an aging Andy, and a reliable Phil, shows are need for starting pitching help. If not Lee, who? There seems to be a big drop off in talent after Lee.

  91. 108 stitches October 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Cliff Lee and Burnett have the same agent (Darek Braunecker)
    If Chuck Greenberg and Nolan Ryan think they’ll continue to be a force in the AL West with the nearly $65M payroll of 2010 then they need to guess again. It will take in the vicinity of $100M and the TV deal is supposed to be used for debt paydown on the purchase of the team last summer.
    They had better ride this wave and enjoy it because dynasty doesn’t fit their business model.

  92. Doreen October 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    pat -

    You posted a link last night about Maddux saying Selig was the Rangers’ VIP this season for letting them sign Lee even though they had no money (to paraphrase and simplify).

    I think this is a slap in the face to organizations who have done a better job financially. To me, there is no way that a team without the resources to pay someone should be allowed to take on the salary. I realize that by allowing the Rangers to sign Lee, it increased the chance the Rangers would be in the post season and make some post-season money, but there was no guarantee of that.

  93. Bring in the Goose October 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Betsy says:
    October 27, 2010 at 10:21 am
    Blake, I guess my point is that there aren’t a lot of moves Cash can make without having to totally overhaul the team or ravaging the farm system; that’s what happens when most of your lineup is locked up to very long contracts. There needs to be a backup plan for no-Lee, but to be honest, there isn’t any – this offseason almost completely depends on signing him.

    ———

    Why so fatalistic on this topic one week after the ALCS?

    You want Lee yet are so concerned about long term contracts? Make up your mind.

    Whatever you choose, have more faith. You are a fan of the team with the highest payroll, coming off a WS title, with the most promising slugger in it’s minor league rookery, and plenty of talented arms and young catchers to trade.

    Yet you’re not confident or satisfied.

  94. Vineyard Yankee October 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    ESPN is reportingthat:

    Sandy Alderson is set to become the new Mets GM, an announcement could come on Friday.

    Curt Young formerly of the A’s has the inside track to become the Sux pitching coach.

  95. Vineyard Yankee October 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    108:

    With AJ and Lee having the same agent any chance AJ can go to Texas (trade) too as a package deal if Lee stays there ? Wishful thinking. LOL ! !

  96. BIG AL October 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Bring in the Goose October 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    ************************************************
    Your talking to a stone wall. Almost everyone on the blog last night addressed this with her, she is without a doubt the most pessimistic person when it comes to the Yankees, but, she believes all the other teams in the AL East are going to improve.

    I guess we’ll just learn to live with Betsy being Betsy, la, la, la, la, la.

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