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Cashman notes: Patience and priorities

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Yankees Wrapup BaseballIt took one week for the Yankees to re-sign their manager. Whatever comes next is going to take some time.

Brian Cashman said this afternoon that he has not started negotiations with any of his own free agents. He has not been given a budget, he has not explored trade targets and he has not prioritized potential signings. He has simply called the agents for Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera to let them know what to expect in the coming days.

“Monday I’m going to have a meeting in Tampa with the Steinbrenners, with Hal and Hank,” Cashman said. “From there, nothing’s really going to happen until I sit down with my bosses, and get a feel and have some discussions about the lay of the land and how I think it should be approached from our perspective. So, I have made everybody aware of that, so they’re not wondering ‘Hey, am I getting a call soon?’ or ‘Why haven’t I gotten a call.’”

The Tampa meetings will last at least two days, and Cashman said he is going into them with “no anticipation either way” about his budget for this winter.

“They have not sent me any ideas or smoke signals,” Cashman said. “We haven’t had any of those discussions. Those will start Monday and Tuesday.”

Cashman indicated that his next focus will be on filling the pitching coach vacancy — “Now I have to turn my attention to the coaching staff,” he said. — but Cashman doesn’t expect that spot to be filled nearly as quickly as the managerial opening.

“I got Joe done in a week because I had somebody right in front of me that we wanted to hire,” Cashman said. “I don’t have that with the pitching coach so it’s not going to happen very quickly. We’ll certainly talk to Mike Harkey. We’ll certainly talk to Scotty Aldred. Those are two people internally at the very least, but we’ll look at external candidates as well. That’s what we’re going to start working on, or we have started to work on. Until Joe was done, that wasn’t really able to fully start. I also have other coaches to re-sign so it’s not going to happen quick. I wish I could say it would because it’s a hugely important position and it’s vital that we get it right.”

Yankees Marte Surgery Baseball• Cashman listed two priorities for the winter: Starting rotation and left-handed reliever. The rotation was obvious, but I was surprised to hear a lefty mentioned so prominently. “If I can find a left-handed reliever who can join Boone Logan, I think that will make our choices out of the pen better for our manager,” Cashman said. “It’s easy to talk about it. It’s harder to find it. Those are the obvious things that stand out for me: Continue to improve your starting rotation, find a left-handed reliever and then get after it.”

• Cashman mentioned LHP prospect Manny Banuelos by name, but stressed that the Yankees would “like to keep him in the starting rotation.”

• Gut feeling on Pettitte coming back? “My gut doesn’t really matter,” Cashman said. “It really just matters what Andy wants to do, so it’s just not productive to have guts.”

• Kevin Long has made a big name for himself, but Cashman doesn’t expect another team to lure him away from the Yankees. “I think he’d like to stay and we’d like to keep him,” Cashman said. “I think he’s exceptional at what he does, so that creates a great climate for getting something done. But it doesn’t guarantee anything.”

• Will the Yankees carry a primary DH next year or leave that spot for guys like Jorge Posada and Alex Rodriguez? “I certainly have my personal preference in it of what I think we should be doing,” Cashman said. “But I think in fairness, I don’t want to get ahead of my ownership meetings. I think that is something I need to discuss with them first, what I would recommend.”

• Kerry Wood remains an attractive late-innings reliever, but it’s unclear whether the Yankees have a chance to bring him back at a cost that makes sense. “I think Dave Robertson (and) I think Joba are both qualified and capable, without question,” Cashman said. “I think Kerry Wood performed at such a level that of course he’s a player that has put himself in a position that would interest anyone who needs to improve upon their bullpen. I think it’s all relative to overall financial and what our interest levels after we get a better clearer picture on Jeter and Rivera and Pettitte. The remaining pie, if there is any remaining, I think will affect decisions like that.”

• Not picking up Wood’s option (or Berkman’s) for 2011 was strictly a financial decision. “We haven’t had any pro scouting meetings whatsoever, so we’re not in the comparative mode yet of those players vs. potential available players on the market,” Cashman said. ” They were just obvious option years that in our perspective was way too high for us to consider exercising. They were pretty easy. I don’t think the players even expected those to be picked up. They were pretty easy decisions to make.”

• Cashman said the Chicago Cubs opening did nothing to change his view or expectation about Girardi coming back beyond this season. “It didn’t do anything, to be honest,” Cashman said. “I think I picked the right manager when we started the interview process three years ago to lead this franchise. We’re proud that we have at least one World Championship to show for that in his first three years on the job.”

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171 Responses to “Cashman notes: Patience and priorities”

  1. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    I think it’s all relative to overall financial and what our interest levels after we get a better clearer picture on Jeter and Rivera and Pettitte. The remaining pie, if there is any remaining, I think will affect decisions like that’.

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    The remaining pie, if there is any remaining……………………………

    Interesting comment, makes you wonder if the checkbook is closed after those three.

  2. Chambliss October 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    His World Series performance notwithstanding, Lee will receive a significant offer from the Yankees. I cannot see them getting outbid for Lee.

  3. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    # GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    GB, definately different tastes. Was never into that type of music. I used to attend the Willie Nelson 4th of July picnics when I was in country and those were great events. He was just getting restarted, along with Lacy J. Dalton, Jerry Lee Lewis, Waylon Jennings and Kristofferson, but, he’d bring in Rick Nelson and his Stone Canyon Band, Dylan, Fats Domino…all types of music…no cover charge…Lone Star beer was trying to get a foothold and they supplied beer. A regular Outlaw Country Woodstock. It’s a real pity that most of the guys that gave birth to that music are gone. Music lost some great founding fathers in the late 50s and early 60s, like Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and Eddie Cochran.

    I love the 50s and 60s R&R and R&B. When I lived in Austin, we’d go to the tapings of Austin City Limits. Nothing better than live music.

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    I think you and my dad would get along just peachy. Two Vietnam veterans with very similar tastes in music.

    He used to listen to old school country as I was growing up – Hank Williams, Waylon Jennings, Kenny Rogers, Dolly Parton but stopped listening to the local country station a number of years ago because he didn’t care for the newer artists.

    Now he listens to nothing but oldies – primarily 50s and 60s – and has a real weakness for Motown and Doo Wop.

    Definitely not my thing, but music in general, regardless of taste, is a guilty pleasure for most of us.

    I, for one, couldn’t have survived without my iPod last year when I was sick and laid up for months. That thing was my life line. Only so much TV you can watch without getting sick of it.

  4. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    I think they go after Lee too because Andy will retire hopefully after one more year. I want that last year. They need to strengthen the pitching line up. I don’t think over the years that the pitchers that were traded from the Yankees system have done so brilliantly.

    I love the idea of Verlander, but why would Detroit entertain such an idea.

  5. powder7733 October 29th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    I’m interested in the comment about what his preference is with the dh. I would love to see Jorge take over as the primary dh allowing him to catch a game or 2 a week. I would like them to bring in a solid catch and throw catcher that can work with Montero who will hopefully break camp, or at the very least be called up in May or June. I also hope Cashman has learned from the middle reliever mistakes over the past few years( karsay, Marte etc.) and doesn’t sign any relievers to multiple year contracts. I would rather see him go the trade route.

  6. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Whether you acquire a reliever via a trade or free agent, it is still a volatile position by nature.

    It’s the primary reason why Cashman has made the majority of his bullpen decisions in recent years by adding the young arms from the farm.

  7. JobaTipsHisCap October 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    In Cashman we don’t trust.

  8. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    one of the worst trade under Cashman funny enough was Demaso Marte for Enrique Wilson of Pit in 2000? That years later lead to trading 4 prospects for Marte and Nady which in retrospect has not exactly work out either. Nady was lost to injury. Marte could be out next season.

  9. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    GF, I came out of Michigan, but, was never crazy about the Motown Sound, but, for the most part, I’ll listen to everything. I also have a fondness for classical music. Never that crazy for the old straight country. Outlaw country and the old rock was best and most folk music. John Fogerty is as good as it gets. Like you, I always had my music handy, no matter where I was. It really helped to have a little bit of home with me. Always kept my computer loaded with music and movies. Sometimes, it was an issue, trying to find a power source, but, as long as we had our vehicles, it was easy to rig a cigarette lighter to the batteries and plug in.

    ask your dad if he remembers Chris Noel…the little blonde DJ on AFVN radio. She was a beauty and played great music. Ended up marrying a chopper jockey.

  10. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    In JobaTipsHisCap I don’t want to read :x

  11. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    One of the worst trade under Cashman funny enough was Demaso Marte for Enrique Wilson of Pit in 2000? That years later lead to trading 4 prospects for Marte and Nady which in retrospect has not exactly work out either. Nady was lost to injury. Marte could be out next season.

    ***************

    I think you are forgetting that Damaso Marte was pretty instrumental in winning number 27.

  12. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    With the numbers that Rene Rivera is putting up in winter ball and at 2 levels in the minors, expect him to give Cervelli a real fight for the @2 or @3 catching spot. A fine defensive catcher and could be a good option because he can also hit.

  13. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    JobaTips…..

    You would have rather had Omar Minaya these last years…lol

  14. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    That sounds good GB

  15. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    I’ll ask him. Haven’t heard of Chris Noel myself.

    Big fan of Fogerty and CCR.

    Fortunate Son, Born on the Bayou, and Green River are my personal favorites.

  16. Against All Odds October 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    JobaTipsHisCap October 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    In Cashman we don’t trust.
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    why not

  17. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    I think you are forgetting that Damaso Marte was pretty instrumental in winning number 27.
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    WC, I think he did a great job in the WS. His total 4 inning pitched without giving up any runs certainly helped the Yanks. But considering the service rendered and will be next year for 12 mil dollars, I pass in hindsight.

  18. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Harkey? Cash must have mentioned him just so he wouldn’t feel badly – there is no way Harkey is getting the job.

    I’m quite disappointed to hear Cashman mention Banuelos. The kid is 19 and he is a potential top of the line starter. He MUST start – there is no way he’s ready for the majors, even out of the pen.

    I find it very hard to believe that the Yankees haven’t discussed Lee at all. I was hoping that, not long after the end of the WS, they’d have an offer on the table.

  19. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    I’ll ask him. Haven’t heard of Chris Noel myself.

    Big fan of Fogerty and CCR.

    Fortunate Son, Born on the Bayou, and Green River are my personal favorites

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    Fogerty made a lot of great music with his last group, The Blue Ridge Rangers.

    Noel was actually married 3 times and the first one was a GB captain that killed himself about a year after they were married. The NYa has a $10,000 bounty on Chris…..dead or alive.

  20. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Jack Curry on his YES blog reported that the Yankees were talking about how much they were going to offer Lee…

  21. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Betsy, I imagine that Cashman was mentioning Banuelos as a possible mid summer call up. He’ll be a starter, but, breaking a younster into the bullpen is the best thing for a young pitcher. Let him get his feet wet where the game pressure would be less.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    My lineup and I think the best in baseball:

    Crawford-LF
    Jeter-SS
    Cano-2B
    Rodriguez-3B
    Teixeira-1B
    Swisher-RF
    Granderson-CF
    Montero-C
    Posada-DH

  23. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Tom, of course……….that only makes sense. I’m fine with what Cash had to say, but there’s really no way that they haven’t discussed this

  24. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    For sure, Cashman isn’t going to tamper with Lee during the WS. They aren’t going to make a peep.

  25. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    GB, he’s way too young; the kid at 19 needs to start. He missed a good chunk of the season; I think it would be absolutely foolish to go down that road with him. Brackman? Fine . Banuelos? If Cash does that, it’s just foolish. I really prefer to keep starters as starters anyway…….thought that’s not my main objection with Banuelos

  26. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    # GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Fogerty made a lot of great music with his last group, The Blue Ridge Rangers.

    Noel was actually married 3 times and the first one was a GB captain that killed himself about a year after they were married. The NYa has a $10,000 bounty on Chris…..dead or alive.

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    Hmmm. That’s some story.

  27. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    There has been plenty of talk about next season, just not officially.

  28. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    SAS, you can have internal discussions – that’s not tampering

  29. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Cashman isn’t going to say anything in public about wanting Lee. That’s too close to tampering and he’s not taking any chances. If the Cubs were the ones that mentioned Kerry Wood, they’re getting too close. Teams can’t discuss other teams players publically.

  30. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Well, Banuelos was pitching in Trenton this season and doing very well.

    He’s buzzed through the competition pretty fast, so naturally, he’s likely to get a call up faster than most pitchers his age.

  31. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    ***publicly***

  32. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    No he’s not, but again, I’m sure the Yankees have discussed this thoroughly; they would have been doing so at the time of the non-trade. It’s not like anything has changed – they still want him badly.

  33. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Why would Cashman mention they’ve been talking about a player from another team who’s still under contract?

  34. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Um, where did I say he should mention that …………or would mention that?

  35. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    What I said was that, despite what Cash said (well, I didn’t say the despite part, but I thought that was clear), I would be shocked if the Yankees haven’t been discussing Lee……..internally.

  36. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    “I find it very hard to believe that the Yankees haven’t discussed Lee at all. I was hoping that, not long after the end of the WS, they’d have an offer on the table.”

    So, what did you mean by this statement exactly :???:

  37. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Okay, but how would you know they haven’t been discussing him internally? You find it hard to believe they haven’t been discussing him, but how would you know either way?

  38. murphydog October 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    I like “Cold Blooded Cash” now. But I wasn’t fond of that persona the first time he broke it out a few years ago, making arguably disparaging remarks about Bernie Williams and why he was no longer with the team.

    It’s good, however, that they are proceeding in a businesslike manner right now. Meet with management in Tampa, no hurry. Discuss, devise a rational strategy and a budget. Anything else smells of desperation and the free agents are already out there waiting to treat Cashman like a drunken 17 year old prom queen at a Viagra testing center. (I just re-read that. Yeah, that’s about right).

    For 2011, Cashman’s priority shopping list is “The Core Three plus Lee.” Lee will get an offer that takes his breath away. Let’s see how long the Yankees leave it open.

  39. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Where did I say they haven’t been? I said I would be surprised it they hadn’t discussed Lee despite what Cash just said. I really can’t make it any plainer than that.

  40. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Cashman just doesn’t want to give the media anything to bite. Of course they’ve had discussions about Lee – probably all season and then some.

    He’s just not going to tell anyone about it publicly.

  41. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Betsy,

    That’s what I said originally…I just chose different words. What goes on between Cashman and the Steinbrenners is private. I am quite sure he has been discussed, but they do have to see just how he will fit in financially…I am sure that has been done too.

  42. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Why would the Yankees put a time limit for Lee to decide? They didn’t do it for CC – that’s a sure way to tick off a player.

  43. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Right, GF – of course Cash wasn’t going to say that.

  44. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    talking about going after a player with the team confines….bringing it up in public is tampering. He was asked about Lee and if reporters are so stupid as to think Cashman’s going to say, “Yeah, we want Lee and will pay what it takes to get him.”, then those reporters need to find a new job. That’s nothing more than trying to set Cashman up to get a story going. They’ll just go on reporting that Cashman/Girardi is lying to them again.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Betsy, they couldn’t discuss Lee internally, Cashman has not met with the Steinbrenner boys yet. There have been no meetings. It’s this way every year, first meet in Tampa with the owners, then when Cashman knows what his budget is he will deal with the Yankee free agents first, in this case Mo and Jeter. Then he will move on to external free agents and trade possibilities, GM and winter meetings, etc.

    Also, the budget development is I am sure an inductive not deductive process, so Lonn Trost, etc. have to wrap up the books from the 2010 season and make projections for 2011 before a budget is agreed to. Only then would Cashman get it.

  46. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    treat Cashman like a drunken 17 year old prom queen at a Viagra testing center.
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    Duly noted.

  47. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    ***It’s one thing to be talking about going after a player*** with the team confines….bringing it up in public is tampering.

  48. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Betsy,

    They wanted to trade for Lee and nearly did trade for him so of course there have Bern discussions but this no reason for Cashman to say anything about Lee.

  49. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    WC, they nearly traded for him – there’s no way they didn’t talk about Lee……and I’m sure Cash has had discussions with Hal even if they were just sort of preliminary

  50. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Ray, I still want to know where I said Cash should discuss Lee publicly.

  51. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Again, the chances are that Cashman and the Steinbrenners have been hashing out the financial inducements to Lee since the beginning of the year. Hank steinbrenner might shoot his mouth off from time to time, but, Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner won’t even verify to the media that they change socks once a day.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    I’m referring to talking about Lee internally after the trade fell through mid-season. What could they talk about? Agree they wanted him?

    My point is that until financial parameters are established, which has to be done after the season, you can’t have conversations about what you might do with Lee.

  53. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    How do you know that the Yankees won’t have an “offer on the table” soon after the WS? Even if he does, they aren’t going to say so, now. He’s doing this the only way to stay out of trouble with baseball. He’s denying everything.

  54. murphydog October 29th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    “Why would the Yankees put a time limit for Lee to decide? They didn’t do it for CC – that’s a sure way to tick off a player.”

    IMO, hard to say you’re ticking off a player if you are offering the kind of money they will offer. But they must refuse to bid against themselves or be strung along. I’m not saying they will time limit the offer for sure. But they have other needs to address arguably beyond Lee and I’m not sure he’s as indispensable to their future as signing CC to be the ACE was. (AJ will likely rebound, whatever his off field issue was, and Hughes has passed the test). And contract length may be an issue since Cliff is around two years older than CC.

    All I’m saying is that there are reasons to walk away from Lee that really weren’t there with CC.

  55. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Yes, I know that GB…………..moving on as I don’t really want to have to explain myself again. I think I’ve been as clear as I possibly can.

  56. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Murphy, I really think they absolutely need Lee. While of course I would not want them to be yanked around (and Cash is no dummy – he knows when he’s being used), I give Lee the time he needs to decide. After all, it’s basically the rest of his career that he’s deciding on.

    I’m not betting the ranch on AJ significantly improving………and I’m not going to get into another debate on Phil.

  57. just_another_handle October 29th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Can someone explain why all the fascination with bringing back AndyP for another season? He missed a significant time during the season and they had to adjust their postseason rotation (some say to their deteriment) in order for him to pitch.

    At 10M+ I don’t see how that helps the rotation for 2011. He’s not going to get that much healthier and most likely will continue his decline physically.

    I don’t get it. Time to turn the page.

  58. yclept October 29th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Betsy –

    Not sure if there is anything to debate in regards to Phil Hughes. He got his first full season as a starter in the books, and did as well as one should expect him to. Whether or not he builds on that or not is something that remains to be seen – but any discussion that includes not having Hughes as an integral part of the 2011 rotation is really not a discussion worth having.

    As for Lee, I agree with Murphy – obviously I won’t complain if Lee is a Yankee in 2011. But there are plenty of reasons to be skeptical about him…age being one of them, and his back issues this year are a major red flag to me. I won’t be typing up blog articles condemning the Yankees if they sign him, but we have to be a bit careful. Not even the Yankees can absorb a bunch of bad contracts on the books; whereas I was 99% confident that CC would be a sound investment, I would say I am more in the 60% area with Lee.

  59. yclept October 29th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    just_another_handle:

    They don’t need to expect Andy to give them 32 starts. You sign him because you know pretty much what he is going to give you: Mostly solid pitching in the middle of the rotation. Having an Andy Pettitte type of pitcher on what amounts to a continuous one-year option is a very nice luxury for any organization to have.

  60. murphydog October 29th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    “After all, it’s basically the rest of his career that he’s deciding on.”

    Betsy:

    You’re not wrong. I’m just trying to be a good armchair GM and talk down the price of Cliff Lee a little :)

    All I’m saying is there are reasons to walk away from Lee at some point that weren’t there when they signed CC. A key issue is exactly: How long is the rest of Lee’s career? How long is it reasonable to expect Lee to keep pitching effectively? Lee’s 33 in August 2011. AJ’s 34 in January and he’s signed until 2013. There are very few Andy Pettittes out there, pitching effectively at 38, but even Andy’s got the injury bug now and it’s likely not to go away. Is Lee good enough to give more than 4 guaranteed years to him when this team also needs to be into heavy succession planning at SS, C and 3d base? Besides, Lee is an ACE and the Yankees already have one who is younger and a lefty.

    I know you’re not sold on Hughes, but I’m not queasy about him being number 3 at all and I don’t think the Yankees are either. CC, AJ and Hughes with Nova, Brackman, Manuelos in the wings. Maybe they go for an innings eater and spend the Lee money elsewhere if contract length becomes an issue.

  61. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    My point is that until financial parameters are established, which has to be done after the season, you can’t have conversations about what you might do with Lee.

    You can most certainly talk money.

  62. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    My lefty candidates are Hisanori Takahashi, Will Ohman, and Taylor Tankersley

  63. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Back spasms for a pitcher is hardly unusual…at any age. Logan had them this season. Lee is one of the few pitchers around that should cause the least amount of worries. Even at 35-37 years old, he’d be exactly what Pettitte has given them over the years.

  64. LGY October 29th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    “My point is that until financial parameters are established, which has to be done after the season, you can’t have conversations about what you might do with Lee.”

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    You can’t honestly believe the Yankees have had no discussions regarding Lee yet.

    Cashman looks forward at least 3 years before making any decisions. He is always setting up and preparing for the future.

    When you operate like the Yankees do, you can’t possibly hand out the contracts they do or make the moves they do without having discussions all the time about future financials and future targets.

    Cashman has had a clear idea for quite a while how Lee will fit into the budget.

  65. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Yclept, the point is that I think we need Lee………….so, I would not rush him into making a decision.

  66. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    just another handle,

    You are obviously just too young to appreciate a Yankee pitcher of Andy’s quality. Guys like him don’t come along very often, and they usually don’t have a career like Andy either.

  67. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Just in case Lee stays with Texas: Brandon Webb as my #2 and Justin Duchscherer as my #5

  68. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Brandon Webb is throwing 85 mph

  69. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Murphy, you bring up plenty of good points about Lee……………and those are thoughts I had myself before I heard about the potential non-trade. There’s a risk, no doubt, but I don’t agree about the rotation such as you described it. CC? Nuff said. AJ? He’ll probably improve some, but IMO he’s a #5, possibly a #4. I have questions about Phil – that’s all I’ll say because I don’t feel like getting into an argument and I know that’s where this will eventually lead – not with you, but with others. Andy ? He probably won’t pitch as well as this year and he’s aging – he can’t be relied upon for 200 innings. I do not feel comfortable at all with handing the #5 spot to a kid if we don’t have Lee.

  70. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    While Kerry Wood did remarkably well overall, unless he’s willing to sign for 2 years and $8-$10 million, he’s gone. If that’s the case, I’d look closely at J.J. Putz, Jesse Crain, Jon Rauch, Koji Uehara, and Joaquin Benoit as righty candidates for the pen on 1 year deals.

  71. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    Brandon Webb is throwing 85 mph

    ——————————————
    Tell me that at the end of ST.

  72. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Andy Pettitte is the only pitcher in history to start his career with 16 years without a losing season. Not Seaverm not alexander, nor Spahn, not Cy Young. Even with a good team, a pitcher will have a losing season in 16 years, if only by accident or injury.

  73. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    GB,

    I knew I loved him (Andy), but I didn’t know he had that distinguished place in baseball history. That’s some accomplishment.

  74. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    murphydog,

    Is one injury, the injury bug????

  75. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    DaSaint, he had surgery in 2009. Its not likely he gets it back. Shoulder surgery can kill careers.

  76. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Jerkface, I know he had the surgery, but I’d take the chance. We’ve done the same on lesser talent. He could be sometime in 2011 and offer an attractive option down the stretch. After all, this is Brandon Webb we’re talking about, not Sergio Mitre.

  77. just_another_handle October 29th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    I was a fan when Horace Clarke, Jerry Kenny, Roy White etc. were full time Yankees.

    I guess I just would prefer that AP, Mo and Po go out on top and not be subjected to the kind of treatment that Jeter got from “fans” this year.

    Better to leave the fans wanting more than stay too long and be reviled for being over the hill.

    Just my humble opinion.

  78. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    just_another_handle October 29th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    At 10M+ I don’t see how that helps the rotation for 2011. He’s not going to get that much healthier and most likely will continue his decline physically.

    ——–

    That statement sounds eerily similar to what the masses were claiming after the 2008 season.

    But, somehow, someway, the old man can still get hitters out.

    If Pettitte wants to return, the Yankees will embrace him with open arms. You’d have to be a fool not to want Andy Pettitte back next season. They clearly need him whether Lee signs or not.

  79. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    SAS October 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
    GB,

    I knew I loved him (Andy), but I didn’t know he had that distinguished place in baseball history. That’s some accomplishment.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It amazes that he gets so overlooked for being such an outstanding pitcher and as consistantly good as he’s been. They only talk about it’s because he was on good teams. There are a lot of pitchers that were on good to great teams for the majority of their careers that can’t make that claim. He’s what most pitchers want to be known as….a winner.

  80. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Brandon Webb is someone you offer a minor league deal to, you don’t say he is your #2.

  81. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    If the old men can still play and help this team win ballgames, there’s no reason to hope any of them retire ASAP.

    If Pettitte had retired after the 2008 season like many here had hoped, they would not have won the WS last season.

    Those guys can play as long as they want if they continue to remain productive.

  82. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Pettitte is one of those pitchers that wants to know when he’s finished. He said last year that he wants to empty the tank and never wonder what he might have had left. His only concession is that it’s up to his family as to whether he continues or not.

  83. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Shoring up the pitching staff is going to be key as we all know, and adding someone like Lee, in addition to strengthening the rotation, also shortens the bullpen. That being the case, the pen would do best with hit-and-miss type arms for the 7th and 8th, leading up to Mo. I would like to see a bold move made, like a Raphael Soriano for 3 years, $30 million to set up for and occasionally spell Mariano. A cheaper, shorter option could be Wood, Fuentes, or Rauch.

    But if we don’t get Lee (and I’m starting to think we may not), and can’t get a pitcher who can pitch deep into games (Garcia, Garland, and Arroyo come to mind), then depth in the pen would be the way to go as opposed to strikeout pitchers.

  84. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Well, now you sound like an entirely different person. Andy is and has been a favorite of mine so I don’t want him to go. I feel the same about all the Core 4. I know it is inevitable, but the longer it is put off the happier I will be.

    You are still far younger than I am, but I thought you were a kid of this generation who wants everything to be perfect every year. You have been through many years of Yankee struggles so I don’t need to say that these players are very special guys who won’t be found soon again.

  85. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Pettitte is one more solid year from serious HOF consideration.

  86. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
    Brandon Webb is someone you offer a minor league deal to, you don’t say he is your #2.

    —————————————-

    You offer a minor league deal to the 2006 NL Cy Young winner, and think he’ll take it over guaranteed offers? Don’t think so.

  87. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    a bold move would be paying Jeter slightly above fair market value and use that money to address Yankee’s needs.

    JIMO.

  88. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Someone who came in 2nd in NL Cy Young voting in 2007 AND 2008, and you think that would get the deal done? A minor league contract? Don’t think so.

    Again, this isn’t Sergio Mitre.

  89. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Then he isn’t worth bothering with.

  90. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    He could have been the MVP of the World Series, Player-Manager of the Year, and President of the United States, it doesn’t matter.

    He had shoulder surgery and is currently throwing 85 mph and his stuff looks terrible.

  91. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    The Yankees didn’t retain Wang, a player they knew could handle NY, and you expect them to give a major league deal to an NL pitcher?

  92. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    NYYs aren’t going to chop Jeter’s paycheck to $8-9 mil a year (above average shortstop pay) because of one down season after the career he’s had for them and the money he still adds in mechandise sales.

  93. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    The only older player that worries me believe it or not is Arod. He has a huge ego, and should he go bad before the end of that ridiculous contract, he won’t be a gentleman and retire. The Core 4 will have that grace.

  94. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    Then he isn’t worth bothering with.
    ————————–
    Then you better go back and check Cliff Lee’s record and contract status when he had his injuries and difficult years.

    Point is, I’d take the risk, as the upside is tremendous. Again, I say we’ve done it before. Remember Jon Lieber? Worked pretty well then, didn’t it.

  95. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    The Yankees never had faith in Wang. They rode him for as long as they could, but never intended to sign him to a long term contract, because he wasn’t their prototypical starter, despite the sinker. Plus he never had another out pitch.

    I don’t think anyone on here liked Wang as much as I did, but he never won a Cy Young award, and I KNEW they would never give him a big contract. If he hadn’t been injured, he would have been traded as his arbitration numbers were getting higher than the team was willing to commit to.

    And to answer your question, yes, I would think they would give a major league deal to an NL pitcher, as long as he’s a strikeout-type pitcher, which Webb was, and possibly will be again once fully recovered.

    Who would you rather have starting a game, Webb or Joba?

  96. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Rodriguez’ average may drop some, but, he’ll almost always put up 30 homers and 100 RBI. I’m less concerned about him than some people are. He’ll remound, much like Jeter will to nearer their career numbers. Rodriguez’ only trouble was the groin and possibly the hip not allowing him to get to the outside pitches from left handers. That’s why he didn’t have as many homers to right and right center as usual. He’s smart enough to correct that issue. Plenty of hitters made concessions to age/injury in their late 30s to continue putting up normal power numbers while conceding to having the averages drop.

  97. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    The Core 4 will have that grace.
    ———–
    how do you know that? The core 4 has never taken a pay cut in their life. Andy went for the money and years in Houston. Mo and Posada has always been the best paid at their position. Jeter had the second largest contract in history of baseball. They all want money IMO.

  98. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Pettitte took less money to go to Houston.

  99. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Then you better go back and check Cliff Lee’s record and contract status when he had his injuries and difficult years.

    Cliff Lee never had major shoulder surgery. You’re talking about an injury that kills pitchers careers. Elbow surgery is nothing. Lieber had TJS, which most pitchers come out of STRONGER.

    Wang had his shoulder surgery BEFORE Webb and still isn’t back. Please tell me more about how Webb is going to recover and why we should pay him to do nothing.

  100. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    I agree GB. Both Jeter and A-Rod, and for that matter Tex should rebound next season. Hopefully Cano will not regress. Swisher and Granderson should be able to continue to improve with an offseason routine created by K-Long, and somebody needs to teach Gardner to bunt.

    Oh, Mrs. Templar and BabyTemplar are doing well. Doc says that Baby Templar is ready to make an appearance sometime soon, so it seems like he’ll be a bit of an early bird and break into camp early.

  101. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Who would you rather have starting a game, Webb or Joba?

    Right now? Joba, because he can throw a major league fastball and will actually pitch in the majors in 2011.

  102. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Jerkface, we’ll agree to disagree then, but I’m sure we’ll come back to this at some point in the future. But I GUARANTEE that he’ll get more than just minor league offers from competitive teams. As long as he doesn’t end up on another team in the AL East, I’ll be fine.

  103. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    my bad, GB, you right about Pettite. I don’t think anyone would leave that kinda of money on the table. If the core four were in Alex’s position. I think they would do exactly the same and finish the duration of the contract.

  104. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    No team in the AL east is going to offer him a major league deal, so we should be safe from that.

  105. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Simon, I can’t see a regression for Cano. I don’t think that we’ve seen his best yet. I also think that all three of Jeter, Rodriguez and Teixeira work a long winter with Long on cleaning up their swings. Long may have to take up residence in Florida. Look for Cano, Swisher, Granderson and Gardner to spend time there, too. Posada, if he has the same season as this year will be just fine, but, he too, might take the Long class.

  106. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    Who would you rather have starting a game, Webb or Joba?

    Right now? Joba, because he can throw a major league fastball and will actually pitch in the majors in 2011.

    ———

    Now there’s some long-term planning. I think most pitchers can throw an ML fastball, and many will pitch in 2011, but I’m not sure how many have had the success of a Brandon Webb, and therefore could possibly have his potential for a successful long-term future as well. But if you’re limited to thinking just about any pitcher, for 1 season, then go right ahead. Thankfully, most GMs think differently.

  107. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Anyway Jerkface, been a pleasure as always. We’ll agree to disagree. I’ve got to head home, so have a good night.

  108. LGY October 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Heh. Brandon Webb.

    He wasn’t even throwing 85 consistently.

    He was TOPPING OUT at 85 and was as low as 81.

  109. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    ut I’m not sure how many have had the success of a Brandon Webb, and therefore could possibly have his potential for a successful long-term future as well

    Brandon Webb has a very slim chance of a long-term successful future because he HAD MAJOR SHOULDER SURGERY. How do you not understand that?????? He is throwing 85 mph and is taking the rest of the winter off to rest. Every major piece of news about him says he ‘has a long way to go before teams will think of offering him a deal’.

  110. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    simon, that kid had better be a switch hitting shortstop with speed and power. Buy him his first glove when he gets home and keep it oiled.

    Congrats again on Baby Templar, Simon. It’s one of the greatest gifts in life. It also helps that he can score you lifetime tickets to Yankee games.

  111. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    The perfect name is Derek Alexander Phillip Mariano Templar. Nickname him “Scooter”.

  112. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Brandon Webb will probably play for a incentive laden contract if not a minor league one. The guy pitched almost zero inning this year. Never mind the repertoire, he can’t give you 200 quality inning next year and be rely upon as No 2. Brandon Webb at 5 is something to consider pending how he looks at ST.

  113. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Thanks GB. While his old man played 2B (Randolph was my idol), I won’t mind if he prefers SS. Speed he’ll have as both his parents ran track with some success.

    Or he can be an Architect or Construction Manager…

  114. Jerkface October 29th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Webb is now 14 months clear of his shoulder surgery and can’t even hit 88 on the fastball.

  115. DaSaint007 October 29th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Look at that. he’s up to 88. moments ago it was only 85. Progress already!

  116. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Da Saint,

    Hope you and your wife get lots of sleep now because late nights and early mornings will be upon for years to come (not the late night part). Enjoy these last weeks. As my mother so kindly said to me when I got pregnant: “You have breathed your last free breathe.” She was right, but I wouldn’t it take back for all the money in the world.

  117. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    GB,

    Replace Alexander with Andrew, me thinks.

  118. DaSaint007 October 30th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Thanks SAS. That’s what I hear. On that note, I’m out.

  119. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    I meant Philip with Andrew

  120. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Phillip for Rizutto or Linz…all shortstops

  121. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Mariano…because it’s Mariano. Spanish for God.

  122. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    I might not have taken all the money in the world for the kids, but it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have paid everything I had to get rid of them some days.

  123. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I thought it was for Hughes and I thought that was premature. I didn’t know Mariano was Spanish for God. The things I learn for you make my life more special

  124. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    They did have some bad moments. I remember standing in the kitchen, in particular, and counting to ten to myself, or I might have hurt them from time to time.

  125. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    This was especially true when they were little because they were still so cute, but I was around all the time, and at times it could be trying.

  126. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    SAS, I’m just a fountain of information. If I don’t have any, I’ll make it up as I go along. Maybe I should be a reporter.

    UGGHHH!!! did I just say that?

  127. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    I often thought about how nice it would have been if the gypsies had kidnapped them, but, it was hard to get the money together to pay somebody to take them. Then, there were those days when they’d come up, sit on my lap, give me a kiss and go to sleep. That made it worth while…until they started fighting again.

  128. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    We moved to this house over 31 years ago, and we have a brick fireplace. One day my son decided to crayon on it. The crayon mark is there today.

  129. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:22 am
    We moved to this house over 31 years ago, and we have a brick fireplace. One day my son decided to crayon on it. The crayon mark is there today.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yes, those artistic little devils always want to be the next Rembrandt.

  130. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    I forgot to mention, it was a brand new house…and neither of my guys can draw.

  131. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    LOL. Yes, I know the feeling. I probably painted more walls and ceilings than Michaelangelo. I swear…I have no idea to little girls were able to make marks on ceilings.

  132. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    no idea ***how*** little girls

  133. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I would love to get a granddaughter from my son who is married. Little girls are soo sweet. I could dress her. It would be heaven. She could play with my make up. Nothing would be too much.

  134. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    By now I can read what you are trying to say…no problem…lol

  135. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Very funny. I am the worst typist in the world. Not much to be proud of, but, I can make good toast and peanut butter.

    One thing at a time, I guess. By the time I die, I should be pretty proficient.

  136. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:36 am
    I would love to get a granddaughter from my son who is married. Little girls are soo sweet. I could dress her. It would be heaven. She could play with my make up. Nothing would be too much.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’ll trade you mine for a good pizza. They’re not quite so “cute” now. all beautiful, but, not those sweet little angels that they were just yesterday.

  137. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Well, I figure the hard part is the children. With grandchildren you can love ‘em and leave ‘em. It’s easy to buy gifts for boys, cars, trucks, fire engines and the like, some tool stuff, and books. Girls open a whole new world.

    I loved having sons and still do, but just on granddaughter would be perfect.

  138. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    *eon

  139. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    *one….

  140. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    GB, my friend,

    I have to get my hair done and stuff for this big party we are in NY for in the morning, so I am going to bed now. I am on no time, not NY time and not AZ time. Talk to you tomorrow or Sunday from AZ.

    Have a good night.

  141. Rich in NJ October 30th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    It must be tough to have Hank as your boss and keep a straight face.

  142. David in Cal October 30th, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Glad to see that Cashman’s first priority is a pitching coach, not signing players. With the biggest budget, the Yanks ought to have the best coaches, but that hasn’t been the case. Kevin Long, finally, appears to be one of the very best hitting coaches. Now, let’s get a pitching coach of the same caliber.

  143. David in Cal October 30th, 2010 at 3:37 am

    Speaking of coaches, can someone explain why teams have so few coaches. Most pro golfers and pro tennis players have a full-time coach. Yet, 17 batters on a major league squad share a single batting coach.

    Recall last winter, Kevin Long traveled all over the place to help batters. I had the impression that his time was limited. He wasn’t able to give as much time as he might have wished to every player. Why wouldn’t it make sense to have a squad of hitting coaches, so that every player could get as much coaching help as possible? The cost of additional coaches would seem to be minor, compared to what the players are earning.

  144. West Coast Yankee Fan October 30th, 2010 at 3:48 am

    It appears that K. Long forgot Mark Teixeira last winter.

  145. Jerkface October 30th, 2010 at 4:45 am

    Look at that. he’s up to 88. moments ago it was only 85. Progress already!

    You misread, I said he CANNOT hit 88. He is 14 months off his surgery and he cannot even TOUCH his former fastball.

  146. Doreen October 30th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Oh my Gosh –

    My daughter is in a Dunkin’ Donuts in WP and JOe Girardi and his daughter are in there!!!!!

    OH!!

  147. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Hurry up, Doreen. Find out where Jeter’s batting in the line-up and whether Chamberlain is going to be a starter.

  148. Doreen October 30th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    GB7 -

    YOu’re still up???

    I know – the burning questions and the person with some answers across the room!!!! Missed opportunity. :lol:

  149. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    No, just woke up when the computer alarm sounded that there wa important Yankee news.t

  150. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    I guess that the real question that needs to be answered is what is a health food freak like Girardi and his daughter doing eating donuts and wearing braces, and if Cashman finds out, will this void his new contract?

  151. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Doreen,

    How did you find out Joe and his daughter are at Dunkin Donuts. Did you daughter spy him?

  152. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Hey GB,

    We didn’t get much sleep!!!

  153. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Morning, SAS. I got a few hours, but, I woke up to fix some peanut butter and toast. Had to be something in my dream. Actually, I just sleep odd hours.

  154. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Good morning to all you donut-eating, sleep-deprived LoHudder’s.

    :)

  155. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    MTU,

    No donuts here unfortunately

  156. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    GB,

    That’s the way I slept…very bad night for me.

  157. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    GB-

    “I guess that the real question that needs to be answered is what is a health food freak like Girardi and his daughter doing eating donuts and wearing braces, and if Cashman finds out, will this void his new contract?”

    Just goes to show that everyone has there vices, except for me of course.

    I think we should refer that one on to the FBI.

    I hope he didn’t eat too much Halloween candy. With braces that could develop into a serious problem.

  158. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Should be “their” not “there”. Duh. It’s early. sorry.

  159. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    MTU, if the media gets ahold of this shocking story, they’ll have enough stuff to last the winter, maybe enough full feature. “Why Joe Girardi Lied To The Press: Is He Main Lining Lemon Filled Donuts?

  160. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    I’ve had a banana so far and coffee

  161. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    GB,

    And that’s against the law of MLB. Now we have something to discuss today. Donuts ad the MLB. What do you think Selig will do about this travesty.

  162. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    *and

  163. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    :arrow: Cashman: “it’s about what they can do in that win column.

  164. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Joe Girardi will spill his guts and finger Pete Abraham as the guy that got him hooked and is his dealer.

  165. SAS October 30th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    I can see the headlines tomorrow!!!!

  166. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    GB-

    The most shocking part of this story is Girardi’s blatant hypocrisy.

    There he is mainlining donuts on the sly and his players can’t even eat a single tootsie roll in the dugout.

    That’s just wrong. I hope this doesn’t get out.

  167. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    No doubt that this is going to blow the lid off of the whole sordid story. I expect Selig to start a full investigation. George Mitchell would be perfect to lead the investigation.

  168. Brian Cashman October 30th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Girardi is eating donuts again ? Meeting in my my office at 3 sharp. This sneaky stuff has got to stop.

  169. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    GB-

    I concur. George Mitchell to the rescue. It’s baseball’s only hope.

    Send in the hangin’ judge.

  170. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Cashman mentioned LHP prospect Manny Banuelos by name, but stressed that the Yankees would “like to keep him in the starting rotation.”

    What about that statement does no one understand, Cashman wants Banuelos to remain a starter, not a RP.

  171. BoJo October 30th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Regarding the Webb discussion…the process has been defined fo ragents. They don’t accept minor league contracts for their players just to get security of a deal. They rehab the player, and when close to being ready, they try to create an auction and buyer’s frnzy. Wang, Sheets, and others have shown the way. Webb will not sign a contract until he is able to demonstrate to a group of teams that he is close to being ready to go.

    And while TJ surgery is easy to return from, rotator cuff surgery is a real scare to pitchers. There are very few that have successfully returned from it. No GM is going to risk signing a pitcher until he shows he has recovered.

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