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Girardi opens the door to significant lineup changes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ALCS Rangers Yankees BaseballTwo key spots in the lineup that did not perform up to the Yankees expectations this season: Derek Jeter batting leadoff and Mark Teixeira in the pivotal No. 3 hole.

This afternoon, Joe Girardi was asked specifically about the top of the lineup, but he turned the question into a second-guessing of the entire lineup.

“I think we have to look at our whole lineup when we go into next season,” Girardi said. “I don’t think you just look at the leadoff spot. I think you look at every slot and how our club is made up. You always talk about that you can’t look at one guy independently. You have to look at all of your guys and how the parts fit. Our lineup is something that could maybe change a little next year.”

Girardi didn’t go into detail, but obviously Robinson Cano emerged as potential No. 3 hitter. Brett Gardner emerged as a leadoff candidate. Nick Swisher had a season, and Curtis Granderson had a half season, that suggest they might be capable of playing significant roles (they were in those roles at the end, but not the beginning). How the Yankees fill their designated hitter spot will surely also play a role in determining a batting order.

“I think you have to look at all the parts we have next year, and do we think about changing it?” Girardi said. “Who’s going to DH for us most of the time? You try to split up all your lefties. I think you evaluate your lineup every year similar to what we did from 2009 to 2010. The parts are going to be different again in 2011.”

ALCS Yankees Rangers Baseball• Girardi said he never thought seriously about the job opening in Chicago. He enrolled his kids in school this year, fully expecting to stay in New York beyond this season.

• Girardi on the possibility of not returning: “We thought we were going to be here. I thought the Yankees would want me to come back. That was what we talked about. As I told my wife and everyone involved, I need to concentrate on what’s going on here. I can’t worry about where I’m going to be next year. That’s not something me and my wife have really ever done. She’s really good at focusing on what’s going on. We really didn’t talk about it much.”

• Girardi does not expect any other changes to the coaching staff. “I don’t think so,” he said. “Obviously contracts have to be worked out but i’m not really anticipating any other changes.”

• CC Sabathia’s knee problems had no impact on the decision not to start him on short rest in Game 6. “No it did not,” Girardi said. “(The injury) was early in the season.” Don’t forget, Girardi was planning to start Sabathia on short rest in the division series if that went four games.

• Girardi was once again asked about the possibility of moving Jeter away from shortstop. “I think you have to watch on the level that he plays at,” Girardi said. “That’s the fair thing. I don’t think you rush to any judgment and assume that because he’s this age, it’s going to be this.”

• Girardi on the pitching coach opening: “We want to get it done as quickly as possible, but we want to make sure we cover all of our bases and want to make sure we interview as many people as we need to before we make a decision. When it comes to a pitching coach, mechanics, communication, relationships with the pitchers — you think about the dynamics of your team, usually 12 of your players are pitchers. That’s half of your team. I think that becomes very important.??”

• Girardi on the perception that he was more of a people-person last year: “I think anytime you win, everything seems to be right, and anytime you don’t win, there’s going to be people that say, ‘Well, this is the reason why.’ I feel like obviously I had a better relationship with my players after I had some time with them because of the experiences that we went through… I thought I was pretty much the same person, but we did not win this year. Whenever that happens, it seems to be a different tone.”

• Girardi on why the Giants are having success against the Rangers: “You think about how Cliff Lee pitched against us, and you say to yourself, ‘Well, he didn’t pitch (the way he pitched in World Series Game 1) against us!’ Those are the things that you think about. Yesterday was a pretty well pitched game, (Wilson) left because he had a blister. We didn’t necessarily swing the bats particularly well with runners in scoring position. That’s no secret. A lot of people say that’s a pretty arbitrary number, but we didn’t swing the bats well and San Francisco has.”

Associated Press photos of Jeter and Girardi

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75 Responses to “Girardi opens the door to significant lineup changes”

  1. Yogi Mantle October 29th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    The Giants seem to be pretty free swingers with the bats. The Rangers look like the layoff has put them off their game as well.

    Its the problem in the playoffs, some teams have too much time off and it affects routines and timing.

  2. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Yogi, I saw your post about Swish in the previous thread; that’s what I wonder as well. For something as relatively harmless as a knee bruise, he sure seemed to be in a lot of pain.

    Cano needs to get as many at bats as possible; he’s just a fantastic hitter. Tex is way too streaky………..

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Finally! I am thrilled that Girardi is open to significant lineup changes. Funny how so many bloggers are ahead of the curve on these things – although, I do think that it’s much easier to make those transitions in Spring Training as opposed to mid-season.

  4. Bret The Hitman October 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    If Lee re-signs with Texas I really like Yankee Trader’s idea of Justin Verlander. He’s got Greinke numbers but fewer makeup questions and post season experience. I know people don’t like the notion of trading Montero but…Verlander is younger than Lee and he’s an ace.

  5. LGY October 29th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    How do you know bloggers were ahead of the curve?

    Do you really think Girardi didn’t notice the issues with the lineup this year?

    This is the same manager we are talking about that made the very astute move to move Derek to the leadoff spot and Damon to the 2 hole just one year earlier.

    There is much more to managing a group of people than just recognizing a problem which Girardi surely did but decided against making the changes this season for a myriad of reasons.

  6. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Teixeira’s swing and plate approach is a product of his father’s teaching and he’s been reluctant to change it.
    It would be good if Kevin Long could have him alter the swing and be quieter in the batter’s box similar to what he did with Granderson.
    Too many moving parts between the bat wiggle and leg movement.

  7. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    I love the idea that we can just go through a list of top pitchers and decide we want to trade for them………..

  8. LGY October 29th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    The issue with ‘bloggers’ is that they are quick to point out something they were right about but anything they are wrong about is never mentioned again.

    There is no accountability behind a computer screen while there certainly is with Joe.

  9. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    108, that’s a shame………….it’s a nice story that his dad taught him and everything, but it limits what the team can do. I wonder if Long has mentioned changes to Tex and what Tex’s reaction was. If he refused to consider them, than that’s really too bad.

  10. St. Pete Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Your batting order suggestions about Cano and Gardner are ones I’ve had in my head for a couple of months. But about a position other than short for Derek, isn’t he a candidate for a Gold Glove in 2010? It’s his hitting that’s a problem.

  11. pat October 29th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Bone bruises aren’t always harmless. Ask Carlos Beltran.

  12. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Hopefully Girardi and his staff will make the necessary adjustments next year to utilize the personel he is given to the best of their abilities.

  13. Dylan October 29th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Gardner LF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    A-Rod 3B
    Tex 1B
    Granderson CF
    Montero C
    Posada DH
    Swisher RF

    I think that Gardner needs to lead off though. I would bat Granderson 2nd, but I don’t like having two lefties at the top of the lineup, plus I think that Jeter is going to bounce back and have a good season. Cano is BY FAR our best hitter, and he needs to bat 3rd. I like A-Rod protecting Cano, because he doesn’t get into as many slumps as Tex. Tex is still a very dangerous hitter, so he should bat 5th. The last four guys are all interchangeable.

  14. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    The trade Montero train left the station back in July

  15. LGY October 29th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    The one really funny thing I found about some peoples complaints about the lineup this year was Jeter leading off.

    Many of the people that wanted Gardner leading off instead are the same people who have bashed Gardner for his play in the 2nd half. It is a funny dynamic in which no matter what Joe did those people would not have been pleased.

  16. joeman October 29th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    always liked Verlander…what sold me on him was he hit the gun at 98 mph in the 8th inning…would take a lot to get him

  17. joeman October 29th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    hope he goes the route of two LHRP in the BP in 11

  18. Dylan October 29th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    My biggest problem with Girardi’s lineup BY FAR, was having Cano bat behind Tex and A-Rod. If Cano was batting 3rd, we probably win the division. There were so many times this year where Tex or A-Rod didn’t come through in a big spot, and Cano was tearing the cover off the ball all year.

  19. joeman October 29th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    lot of times last year Cano was left in the on deck circle to end the inning

  20. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    WCYF -

    I don’t think bloggers are ahead of the curve.

    i just think it’s difficult to implement changes at a practical level. It’s easy to sit here and say, why don’t they do this or that? And they certainly notice the same things that we do, but they are charged with the actual running of the club; they know a few more particulars; and they actually have to deal with the human beings involved.

  21. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    LGY -

    Obviously, I didn’t read your post before I posted. :)

  22. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    A full year of Granderson’s adjustments will be welcome. The month of March will be the time for Kevin Long to tweak any leftover ideas he had to complete the adjustments.
    I can see Brett Gardner being a special project for Kevin Long during spring training and teaching him better bunting techniques.

  23. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    ANd as far as Cano goes, the Yankees were hoping he’d acclimate to the 5th spot in the order. And he did. He did really well there. So, why would you want to start moving him around right out of the gate? When it was absolutely necessary, the moved him up to 4th to fill in for Alex. And for the first time in his career, Cano responded positively to an in-season bump-up in the lineup.

    I think that may give them the confidence to put in at #3 next season. But it boggles my mind sometimes when people say “move Tex” as if there is no concomitant move elsewhere in the lineup and how it might affect the person involved.

  24. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    108 stitches-

    Hitting and bunting are not the same; there are other people in the Yankees system that might be better to help Gardner perfect his bunting technique. I’m not always good with remembering names, but GB7 has mentioned a couple of people that could help Gardner other than Long.

  25. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Dylan, Alex came through plenty of times this year…………

  26. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Where’d everyone go? :lol:

  27. blake October 29th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    The Tigers have no reason to trade their franchise pitcher. The Tigers are.competitve in that division and don’t have to trade him……so it would.probably take a lot more than Montero……don’t see that one happening.

  28. Ruby Tuesday October 29th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Derek Jeter be gone : you are bringing the entire Yankee Universe down .

  29. Dylan October 29th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    # Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Dylan, Alex came through plenty of times this year…………
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Fair enough. Tex did not come through all that much though, so I think that Cano should have been batting ahead of him. I’m not saying that Tex isn’t a great player, but this year, Cano was the much better hitter. I think that a teams best player needs to bat 3rd or 4th in the lineup, bottom line.

  30. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    These trade proposals are looney – I never take them seriously

  31. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Dylan, I think Tex is very good (but disconcertingly streaky)- not great. Either way, he’s just not as good as Cano and has to slot in behind him in the lineup.

  32. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    So, now the debate is about doctors not finding anything wrong with Swisher’s knee, even though Swisher says that there was something wrong? Does that make swisher a liar or a malingerer?

    What does that say about Ellsbury? Two doctors thought he was jaking it, and the Red Sox accused him of it. Of course, in the end, independent doctors found multiple fractured ribs and the x-rays to prove it.

  33. LGY October 29th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    The tigers have a ton of money coming off the books this year and next. They just have Verlander that deal knowing full well their financial situation.

    Why would anyone think he is available?

    **********

    Doreen

    No problem. Now I know you have my back on this issue ;)

  34. Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    loony

  35. Dylan October 29th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    # Betsy October 29th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Dylan, I think Tex is very good (but disconcertingly streaky)- not great. Either way, he’s just not as good as Cano and has to slot in behind him in the lineup.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    I completely agree.

  36. Disco October 29th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    If you think RC is better than Tex, leave him in the 5 spot.

    For an optimal lineup, your 5 hitter should be better than your 3 hitter.

  37. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    I would like to see Cano in the 3 spot dropping Tex down to the 5 slot. Cano in the 3 spot could be huge, his best years are still in front of him.

  38. Disco October 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    And for those of you saying RC is our best hitter so he should bat third…

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to bat him leadoff so he gets the most AB’s? Or 2nd or 3rd where you next best hitters should be placed, optimally?

  39. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Mark Teixeira, for whatever reason, had a down year for him. His career BA with RISP is over .300. This year, even though it was much lower, his BA was 20 point HIGHER with RISP than overall.

    He may get off to a slow start each year (particularly April), but this was an off year for him. I wouldn’t judge him or his “streakiness” on this year alone.

    He’s a solid and dependable hitter.

    That said, it certainly would be worth it to try moving Cano up and Tex down in the order in 2011.

  40. Disco October 29th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    2nd or 4th***

  41. The Other Phil October 29th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    I don’t agree with the idea that Cano would have automatically made the team better or would have provided more wins in the 3 hole. Things don’t happen in a vacuum. Pitching, defense and tactics change relative to the situation so no one can say how Cano would have performed in the 3 hole vs. the 5 hole given that he would have been pitched to differently than Tex.

    I say leave him in the 5 hole. Tex, Arod, Cano is as tough a 3-4-5 as you can get and I’d prefer Cano back up Arod than hit in front of him.

  42. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    108 stitches-

    Hitting and bunting are not the same; there are other people in the Yankees system that might be better to help Gardner perfect his bunting technique. I’m not always good with remembering names, but GB7 has mentioned a couple of people that could help Gardner other than Long.

    ……………………………………………

    Mickey Rivers for one could help Gardner with his bunting and base stealing. Mick “The Quick” was good at both in the 70′s with the Yankees. Torre Tyson seems to be a good teacher also.
    Both will be in spring training as advisors.

  43. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Since 90% of the Yankee offense had an off-year, I say bat Cano first and have everybody else bat 9th.

  44. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Gardner isn’t the only player on the team that doesn’t know how to bunt properly. Neither Gardner nor Jeter know the difference between bunting for hits or sac bunts. Jeter is perhaps the worst. Surprisingly, Swisher is one of few on the team that has a good technique. Over the season, he only missed on one bunt.

  45. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    108 -

    I think Tyson is one of the names GB7 talked about. Does Mickey Rivers go to training camp? That’d be great, but what would be better is if someone could work with Gardner even before that.

    I know last year Gardner worked a lot on his bunting, but he did it on his own. You can work on something all day long, but if you’re not doing it right, it’s not gonna help. :?

  46. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    That would be a great idea to bring in an independent bunting consultant at spring traning for bunting tutorials. Never too late to learn, even Jeter.

  47. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Hey, GB7 – speak of the devil :)

    I got a brochure today and Tony Bennet is going to be performing in my neck of the woods on November 23th. It’s a weeknight, though, so I don’t think we’ll be able to make plans to see him…

  48. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    **23RD**

  49. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Doreen, Rivers is one of the yearly camp guests in Tampa. He works with the kids on base running, bunting and playing the outfield. Torre Tyson managed Charleston and is now the manager for the Tampa Yankees. He was a minor league infelder. Has a baseball pedigree. His father is Mike Tyson, an infielder for the ’70s Cardinals and his best friend is Torre Tyson’s god-father…Joe Torre.

  50. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    Hey, GB7 – speak of the devil

    I got a brochure today and Tony Bennet is going to be performing in my neck of the woods on November 23th. It’s a weeknight, though, so I don’t think we’ll be able to make plans to see him…

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    ARRRGGGGHHH! I’m jealous of you, Doreen. You’ll enjoy it. I’ve seen two of his concerts. Concerts are my guilty pleasures..

  51. G-C October 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    What I would like to see the lineup look like…

    Gardner
    Swisher
    Cano
    Rodriguez
    Teixeira
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Posada
    Montero

  52. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    ooops. I misread that, Doreen…thinking you were going. I’m not so jealous, now.

  53. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    GB7 -

    Small family, baseball. :)

  54. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    They aren’t going to drop Jeter into a power slot. If he hit for power, he would have been hitting 3rd or 4th years ago.

  55. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Doreen- Count Basie Theatre?

  56. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    GB7 -

    If it was a weekend, we’d be all over it. Weeknights – tough to do much and the venue is 40 minutes away from home.

  57. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Just starting on TV…one of my favorite all time movies…the Great George C. Scott as Patton.

  58. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Doreen, He’s playing in Monclair, NJ on Dec 4th…

  59. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Doreen, love live concerts with the greats like Bennett, Dylan, Gordon Lightfoot, Bette Midler, Linda Ronstadt, Fats domino, Willie Nelson, Kristoffersonn and The Killer, Jerry Lee Lewis.

  60. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    A Classic, what channel ?

  61. DocTodd October 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    The Yankees are probably the worst bunting team in baseball……Period.

  62. DocTodd October 29th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Wasn’t Steinbrenner a big Patton fan?

  63. DocTodd October 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Taking the wife to see Frankie Valli next month, should be interesting…..

  64. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Patton at his finest!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  65. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Tom in NJ -

    A Saturday Night!

    I’ll have to look into that. Thanks. :)

  66. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Tom in NJ -

    Tony Bennett’s website has him in Montclair on the 3rd of December. A Friday night. Work night. :(

  67. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Doreen, the tickets for sept 4th are for sale Here:

    http://www.coasttocoasttickets.....id=1465388

  68. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    And the Wellmont Theatre has him on the 3rd and the 4th

    http://www.bowerypresents.com/fullcalendar

  69. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    December 4th.. :oops:

  70. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    GB,

    I’m a big fan of concerts myself but we definitely come from different generations, and certainly, different backgrounds regarding taste in music.

    I’ve always been lured by the more aggressive artists such as Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, old 70s KISS, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, etc. etc.

    Although, I do love the Rolling Stones as well. They still keep on truckin’ even at 100 yr old.

  71. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    couple minor things I thought of …
    1. If thames will be back
    2. will Yankee look at Jorge Vasquez as possible internal option at DH or a simple replacement for Thames. (could not find his minor split on lefties)

  72. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Cashmoney
    October 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Patton at his finest!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

    ============

    Awesome, thanks for sharing.

  73. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    GB, definately different tastes. Was never into that type of music. I used to attend the Willie Nelson 4th of July picnics when I was in country and those were great events. He was just getting restarted, along with Lacy J. Dalton, Jerry Lee Lewis, Waylon Jennings and Kristofferson, but, he’d bring in Rick Nelson and his Stone Canyon Band, Dylan, Fats Domino…all types of music…no cover charge…Lone Star beer was trying to get a foothold and they supplied beer. A regular Outlaw Country Woodstock. It’s a real pity that most of the guys that gave birth to that music are gone. Music lost some great founding fathers in the late 50s and early 60s, like Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and Eddie Cochran.

    I love the 50s and 60s R&R and R&B. When I lived in Austin, we’d go to the tapings of Austin City Limits. Nothing better than live music.

  74. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    NP Vineyard, he is pretty funny.

  75. SAS October 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    :arrow: Cashman notes: Patience and priorities

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